Bromances Replacing Male-Female Relationships?

Despite the ever-present beards, men are getting more feminine (i.e. touch-feely, emotional, good listeners, etc.).

I have long thought that there are guys who are pheromonally, sexually driven to, women. However, emotionally they are absolutely a disaster in opposite sex relationships, and far better off palling around with other bros. To put it another way, one could say that they are Kinsey 2, where they are primarily intrested in women, but messing around with other guys might be a distinct possibility.

More gay erasure.

I've heard that partly because of radical feminism, women increasingly engage in behavior which drives men away. So more men don't want any serious romances with them. Bromance doesn't mean anything sexual.

If it weren't for sexual desire, straight men wouldn't have much to do with women. Straight or gay, men prefer to be with men.

I would guess that we could probably say the same thing about women: They prefer the company of each other, rather than the company of men.

Modern day male relationships are starting to reflect the ancient Greeks. Maybe it's natural that men prefer the company of other men and wives are more or less an afterthought unless needed for mating or social standing.

I think gay guys in the future are going to have quite a smorgasboard.

Bromance. With men being so sexually inclined it's only natural that some of them are going to get touch-feely with their bros. As an added boner, I mean bonus, it will help them to overcome their own homophobia as well as fear of closeness with other people.

[quote]Bromance doesn't mean anything sexual.

Bromance doesn't NECESSARILY mean anything sexual.

However, there are more Kinsey 2s out there than "heterosexual" society would care to admit.

And if gay guys in the future keep it cool they will benefit greatly.

Bromosexuals.

Don't shoot the messenger, but a tendency I've noticed I've noticed among lower status (ghetto/white trash) guys is a bizarre, almost obsessive closeness/loyalty to their male friends that I don't see with middle class/upper middle class guys (or at least not to the same extent).

All the rough trade hotties I follow on social media are constantly posting things like #rideordiebros, "If my best friend don't fuck with you, I don't fuck with you" etc. etc.

A Bromance moment.

R3, stop being so butthurt over trivial mess. Bi and fluid men matter.

Military Bromance. Comfy.

Bromance is not brosexual

[quote] I've noticed I've noticed among lower status (ghetto/white trash) guys is a bizarre, almost obsessive closeness/loyalty to their male friends

It's just tribalism and gang mentality. The lower classes males always adhere to localized group identities for power aggregation and an elevated sense of self-worth.

Yup.

MGTOW.

R14 see R9 Bromosexuals.

I totally believe it. I overheard a young guy talking to his male friend on speakerphone today. The way they discussed sex with the girls they were passing around was so intimate. They know exactly what the other likes sexually, and they even seemed like they were turning each other on. They talked about the girls like dogs, said they had poor personal hygiene, and they pretty much hate them. Its only a matter of time before these guys start figuring out they can please each other.

Women want nothing to do with these guys which is why they are all living with each other. Ninety percent of straight men nowadays are perpetually jobless, video game playing adolescents who are allergic to actual responsibility and women are no longer interested in being their mommies.

While female birth control has made huge strides, with one implant having a .05% failure rate, condom failure to present pregnancy rate is 18%, according to the CDC.

This means that a man is taking a huge risk of becoming a father every time he has heterosexual sex. Given that men have no say over what happens once the egg is fertilized, and can be on the hook for 21 years of child support in some states, plus the emotional burden of having a child, it's no wonder that men are starting to hate women.

The fetus is only a child if the woman says it is - funny how that works - no matter what the man wants. And even though the sex was consensual, and even if he was the only one who used birth control, he is held hostage to what the woman wants. The government in many states doesn't even care if he is the biological father, they go by who the woman names as the father. And there are approximately 30,000 men in jail for back support for a child that isn't theirs.

So it's no mystery why men are going their own way.

Not long ago an acquaintance of mine in his thirties who finally got married to his long time girlfriend let me know that he was afraid that she would push for a baby that he didn't really want. He said that most of his friends who had a baby because the women pressured them into it ended up regretting it.

R22, symptoms of the same perpetual adolescence issue.

Men regress, women go ahead.

I think the bromance come from the fact that women are more independant and don't depend on men anymore. They don't have to pretend anymore and men search confort with their bros who "understand" them.

Its true. We are turning straight men gay.

Islam will take care of ALL of this in a hundred years or so.

And to think, last week boffins were saying that the lack of close male friendships was destroying society.

This is absolute BULLSHIT. 80% of the men I work with are in their 20's and I've never seen none this bromance fuckery. They all live for pussy and want to find the perfect FEMALE companion.

This is basically coming full circle to the way it's been done for thousands of years in civilizations around the globe. The Middle East and the Mediterranean are still like this. They don't call it "Bromance," but the sexes get much of their bonding from their own gender, crossing the line to interact with the other gender only in limited prescribed contexts.

[quote]This is absolute BULLSHIT. 80% of the men I work with are in their 20's and I've never seen none this bromance fuckery. They all live for pussy and want to find the perfect FEMALE companion.

R28 = Enraged Frau

Your co-workers are telling you AT WORK NO LESS they live for pussy?

Unless an unmarried woman wants an unwilling man to pay for their own choice to have a child, R24, then even uber-feminists seem to think that it's OK to stick the man with the bill.

It is 2017, men, especially given the ineffectiveness of condoms, should be able to choose when or if to become a parent, just like women have for the last 44 years. Neither women nor men should be forced into parenthood because they chose to have consensual sex.

We believe that most men, esp hot ones, are 'str8' only because they have been captured by a stinkfish and have decided to just 'go along with it' since there are many many social/financial/career advantages.

[quote]I've heard that partly because of radical feminism, women increasingly engage in behavior which drives men away.

Only men who are insecure about their masculinity. Most men I know, gay or straight, aren't frightened of feminism. You sound delicate.

[quote]Your co-workers are telling you AT WORK NO LESS they live for pussy?

Yes asshole, because every Friday after work we go to the nearby brewery where they share every sordid little detail.

I know this sounds unbelievable to a deluded queen that lives in an imaginary gay utopia like you but the sad truth is that MEN LIVE FOR PUSSY...and big tits.

Men in their 20's are driven by their hormones. Straight guys aren't giving up women anymore than gay guys are giving up men.

I can picture the guys this article is talking about. They're all wearing dirty skinny jeans rolled at the ankle and t-shirts that are stretched out at the neck and, of course, no socks. They haven't washed their long, unruly hair in over a week which is why they are wearing an oversized knit cap over the entire mess. They're pale because they haven't left their shared apartment in months except to grab some really expensive tea.. They say 'brah' a lot.

Wow, an entire thread devoted to MRA delusions. You all do realize this is a GAY board?

And did any of you actually read the article at OP? It refers to a whopping sample of "30 undergraduates" -- so these scientists (and I'm using the term very loosely) are basing their conclusions on a tiny number of boys (not men), who have come straight from their helicopter parents to the university lab. The point about "delayed onset of adulthood, and an extended period of adolescence" is the only thing they get demonstrably right.

But I'm sure the journal "Men and Masculinities" that's publishing this highly significant research rivals The Lancet in reputation.

Sorry, Erna.

So what percentage of these MRA losers are really secretly gay?

I say 30-50%.

The divide between men and women issues has become bigger and more intense. Men and women have become more vocal and more vunlerable by sharing personal stuff.

Back in the "Boys don't cry!" days men couldn't show vulnerability with other men, well, masculine alpha bro men. Women and gay men were the support system back then. Now the alpha bros can still be alpha bros while sharing their (testicular) cancer scare or their panic attacks over maybe getting fired, having been raped as a kid by a relative or neighbor, or becoming a dad.

A fish won't fuck anyone she suspects of being a sissy (aka "bi") for fear of "catching AID$"!

I'd find it hard to believe the sad, delusional and butthurt MRAs at R21 and R31 are gay.

straight guys DO it

r21 and r31 are the same poster, r41 (try ignoring him and see), and I agree that he's WAY more likely to be an unfuckable straight nerd than a gay man of any ilk.

And then, of course, there's Erna.

That's the quality of posters a thread like this brings out on DL.

LOL to this whole thread!

Study modern Japanese culture. It’s not bromances, but it’s eternal adolescence that has taken over that culture. Young and youngish adults refuse to grow up, play videos games all day, don’t want to date, and want to live with parents forever. They build life around Gym, leisure, lack of attachments, and chillin with friends.

fucking straight whores love copping a grope now and then

[quote]Most men I know, gay or straight, aren't frightened of feminism. You sound delicate.

Equity feminism, yes.

Third Wave feminism EVERYONE, male and female , should be concerned with. It's matriarchy and female supremacy in tandem with a postmodernist framework nesting inside a particularly virulent strain of Marxism.

men are whores and they will do anything for sex with anyone

I have an actor friend. He was making inroads a while back getting auditions and call backs and booking some stuff.

I got the impression his wife didn't support him because at one point he was calling me a lot, updating me on stuff.

At one point, I thought we're almost having an emotional affair.

I wasn't attracted to him though even though he had all the pieces, tall, good looking.

[quote]the sad truth is that MEN LIVE FOR PUSSY

They like any tight wet hole they can stick it in! Females do not have a monopoly on that my friend, as many of these guys in their "bromances" are discovering more and more.

R47, that's not third wave feminism. The third wavers are the SJWs who like MtT more than actual women and think being treated as a sexual object means they're liberated. They're idiots but don't match your description.

[quote] ? It refers to a whopping sample of "30 undergraduates" -- so these scientists (and I'm using the term very loosely) are basing their conclusions on a tiny number of boys (not men

You got that part right R30 (you then went off on a strange anti-Millennial and their parents rant)

But yeah, it's a clickbait study, the social science equivalent of fake news

HMMMM

Not really

buddies want their friend's asses

Bromance is most instances is simply releasing the supressed same-sex attraction that dwells somewhere in their hearts, but that they would let out in other instnces thst could gain them the label "gay". It's simply a complicit agreement to deceive themselves that what they are doing dienst involve any degree of attraction.

Nature always finds a way. If guys move your heart and other body parts to any degree you will end up finding the instances to have it.

R21, how does that 18% failure rate translate into transmission of HIV for us (actually) queer guys?

When men keep hearing about rape culture and white privilege, they're going to bond with the people who won't call them out for that and who knows what it's like.

What else was the end game in all this?

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Just don’t say “gay”

Say "homosexual" then.

More acceptable than “gay.”

Hmmmmm

When I was in my mid-50s, I briefly had a married, handsome twentysomething co-worker who would compliment me on my looks (how handsome I was, how I was pretty enough to be in front of the camera, how I could be a model), would talk about our chemistry, and would tell others of our bromance. I completely fell for him, but, out of respect for his marriage, waited in vain for him to make the first move. At a mid-week dinner once (after we were no longer colleagues) he told me of a fight he had had with his wife days over the weekend (I secretly hoped it was about me) that he had to bite his tongue to remain married. He then said that it "was Wednesday & he was still married." I replied that the night was still young. He said that he didn't want to do anything that day that he'd regret for the rest of his life. Later, when he returned from going to the bathroom, he absent-mindely sat at the table next to ours, opposite a man dining alone. We saw each once more, maybe 10 days later, when we went to a baseball game. His face lit up when he saw me. It's been over 4 years & he & his wife - who were living in my state only temporarily - have since relocated to another state. I miss him terribly & think of him always.

*I worked briefly with a married

Uh okay. He/you did the right thing. Morals above lust.

NOTHINGBURGER.

Nature will always dictate the majority of men will end up with women. Heterosexuality is IN NO DANGER, GURL.

Bisexuality seems much common than admitted.

Living in homophobic societies where heterosexuality grants status and privilege the fear of being perceived as non-heterosexual makes most men hide that aspect of themselves or at least not make it visible except if there si safe space for it.

[quote]Females becoming sex-only objects.

Becoming?

[quote]At one point, I thought we're almost having an emotional affair.

This is what Bromance mostly is, an emotional affair, but men have always had this. Only that in the past it was looked down upon because it might be too gay. Men were only expected to have emotional attachment to women not another man. The truth is that most men are capable of having emotional affairs with other men without relinquishing sex with the female sex.

No, bromance has to do with the implication of homoerotic interaction which goes beyond simply sexless emotional bonding among men.

Women tell each other their most intimate secrets. Men only talk to each other about sports, or monster trucks.

Str8 guys would never bathe if it weren't for women. In my college years, Str8 dudes maintained very close relationships but you could always tell who didnt have a girlfriend by the intensity of their BO. Bromances will be the death of male hygiene.

Smn upthread mentioned old societies and current radical Muslim countries. Importantly, the sexes were / are severely segregated in those societies. A male generally couldn't just 'hang out' or be 'friendly' with an unchaperoned female.

As for today: either the 'bros' are gay / bi, or they band together like the sexes usually tend to do. Teenagers & 20-smthgs are especially prone to hang out in lads-only / girls-only groups (e.g. fraternity / sorority stage).

One time at Band camp...

r72, see r19. Young straight guys talk about everything

Str8 guys have the worst anal hygiene

[quote] No, bromance has to do with the implication of homoerotic interaction

Err that is exactly what happens when you have an emotional affair with another Bro. Men are not women, men always sexualize everything, especially in a Bromance.

I wouldn't say men sexualise everything. Bromance is different form regular close friendship between men. Ordinary close friendship doesn't envolve any erotic/sexual interaction of bonding between two men. Bromance does involve erotic or sexual interest and interaction to some extent. That's why bromance has come to make news because it is not ordinary close riendship but something that goes beyond that.

Let's not pretend. Bromance is nowhere near being gay. Please know that straight guys are as repulsed by the idea of sex with another man as gay guys are by the thought of sex with a woman. I have always had strong emotional connections to female friends and we spent a lot of time together -- Will & Grace-style. Though the line may be somewhat blurred for them, it was never blurred for me. The mere sight of a vagina is . . . well, you know.

Yes, the culture is shifting to allow straight men to be more open about their feelings with other men. That's a good thing.

However, straight men still have a natural inscict to want to provide for and protect a woman. The ones who are too wimpy or too poor to get a girlfriend/wife end up as bitter Red Pillers.

I work with straight men all day, i'm pretty much an expert.

Bromance is not erotic. You can be homoemotional or even homoromantic without being sexually attracted to the dude.

As much as straight guys might flirt with you to get your attention, they do NOT want to get into your pants. They're in it for the ego stroking, not dick stroking.

If they're drunk enough, they might let you suck them off if they're horny and didn't score with a chick that night.

Love how some gays love to erase same-sex attraction in circumstances that heterosexual men don't really look for such as Bromance. There's a reason why the word "romamce" is combined with bro.

Close friendship and bromance are not the same thing.

What is the difference, r84? Are we talking degrees of homo-eroticism?

Still a big divide from "bi" or "gay" involving actual physical contact.

The fact that they are called "bromance" as in romance says it all because it is denoting a type of closeness that is more than simple friendship between two men. R85

Close friendship between men has always existed, it has never stopped from happening or being visible so all the crying men cannot be close is pure exaggeration.

I have bi friend who I was really close with for years. I shared a lot ot time with him, a lot! From playing video games together to walking the city the two of us very late at night. Yet there wasn't any kind of "bromance" between us but rather close friendship resembling that of two brothers. We even shared silence and as he said, true friendship happens when you can even shared silence with a friend.

Maybe Bromance is tied into why sperm counts are declining world wide. If all men are evolving towards gay, there is no need for sperm. They may need to hurry up and learn how to clone humans.

I'm a 100% gay guy who has found himself on the receiving end of sexual advances from "straight and married guys" fairly often in my life. And it normally makes me feel very uncomfortable.

But when straight "man dating" was on trend a couple of years ago (a date between two married men, or a straight man and a gay/bisexual with the wife's full approval and support, because it's a novelty for them and because it puts her mind at ease he isn't cheating with a female. It's also a status thing).

I knew quite a few married couples who are like that, I guess it is almost a way of networking for them, a more comfortable version of bi-sexuality-lite...

But it certainly implies there will be a level of intimacy that goes beyond typical male bonding, as is normally acceptable by society. How many of those "man-dates" lead to awkward blow jobs/hand jobs in the front seats of cars I'm guessing that quite a few did.

The parents of these "men" are ASSHOLES!!!!! BLAME THEM!!!

Bromances are just childish men who never want to grow up.

Seems like that would be the point, r88.

R86, you did nothing to clarify the distinction. The "fact" that something is called something does not tell us anything about just what that something is.

This is one of the most delusional threads I've seen on DL in a while

I have a close straight male friend who is in a bromance with me. I am not physically attracted to him, he is not attracted to me and has a girlfriend. But we love each other deeply, like family, and are affectionate like brothers. We are often inseparable, even double dating sometimes. He gets upset when I am away from him for long periods of time. He has never come on to me or flirted with me. It’s platonic pure “philia” or “agape” love, not “eros.”

[quote]However, straight men still have a natural inscict to want to provide for and protect a woman.

Pahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

[quote]Women want nothing to do with these guys which is why they are all living with each other. Ninety percent of straight men nowadays are perpetually jobless, video game playing adolescents who are allergic to actual responsibility and women are no longer interested in being their mommies.

The girlfriend becomes almost invisible as soon as there's another guy in the room, so I guess she leaves.

I remember your posts about that, r64. I hope you're doing well.

Some of you are as clueless about modern young straight dudes as you are about women. Delusional.

It is a hallmark of all DL threads that straight dudes -- especially young, attractive straight dudes -- really secretly want hot man-on-man action and just haven't realized it yet. The unfortunate by-product of watching too much gay porn.

Conservatives do have a point that the insinuation by some gay men that all close affectionate male-male friendships have some deep hidden erotic component only chills men from developing deep friendships with each other. It’s annoying, myopic, self-centered, and desperate to project your desires on others’ relationships.

I think it's funny how unattractive people don't realize how bisexual and/or gay men really are.

[quote]Let's not pretend. Bromance is nowhere near being gay. Please know that straight guys are as repulsed by the idea of sex with another man as gay guys are by the thought of sex with a woman. I have always had strong emotional connections to female friends and we spent a lot of time together -- Will & Grace-style. Though the line may be somewhat blurred for them, it was never blurred for me. The mere sight of a vagina is . . . well, you know.

I have a feeling probably everyone in this thread is at least partly right. There are all kinds of straight men, some more bi than others.

Het guys being repulsed by dicks is slightly different than gay men hating pussies. Practically all men love cock: their own. As a concept the cock is not as weird for het guys as the pussy is for many gay men since they handle one with love every day. Be it curiosity or sizing up the competition guys generally do seem interested enough to take a look at a cock if one is presented to them. I've been to enough straight gym locker rooms and saunas to have seen men stealing glances. Do they want to have sex? No, but they possibly are bonding with other guys the way gay men and women generally don't.

I've had tons of straight buddies over the years and I totally believe a huge part of the male population is in fact something else than Kinsey zero.

Most of this thread manages to make marriages / family_and_ bromances seem petty and insular instead of inclusive and expanded. Can't be much love happening there by definition.

You are discussing bromance precisely because it not ordinary friendship but one kind that has erotic connotations.

Google: bro·mance ˈbrōˌmans/Submit nouninformal a close but nonsexual relationship between two men

UrbanDictionary: Bromance Bromance is the combination of two words, "brother" and "romance". It describes the unique male bonding found between "brothers from another mother". This is between heterosexual males and no matter what is never seen as a gay relationship, though it may be joked about. Those two have such a bromance, they literally know what the others thinking. by tj debtwiler May 02, 2011

bromance Love for a close male friend. Not in a homosexual way. May be viewed that way. First use of bromance was Siouxsie & the Banshees - Kiss Them For Me back in 1991.

A bromance is a close, emotionally intense, platonic bond between two men.[2] It is an exceptionally tight affectional, homosocial male bonding relationship exceeding that of usual friendship,[3][4] and is distinguished by a particularly high level of emotional intimacy.

Oxford: A close but non-sexual relationship between two men.

If it becomes to be sexual or erotic, it ceases to be bromantic.

I wasn't about to read all the 100+ bullshit responses to this thread, but I'm guessing the vast majority of them are demented queens beating off to fantasies of having sex with "straight" males.

Classic DL.

Have their been any studies on a correlation between delayed adolescence in young men with both parents working out of the house?

Blame some of these men, sure. But I'm sure their parents deserve some share of the responsibility as well.

Like gay porn, no matter how many times they fuck other men, heterosexual identity must be retained at any cost like your just heired wealth.

Well yeah. Gay male identity is extremely stigmatized, persecuted, and viewed as unmanly.

[quote] Third Wave feminism EVERYONE, male and female , should be concerned with. It's matriarchy and female supremacy in tandem with a postmodernist framework.

R47, male hegemony is Millennia old and look how that turned out. Maybe it's time for a return to matriarchal culture. Goddess-worshipping and female-led societies in the Ancient Pagan worlds (BCE) are thought to have been more peaceful and equal than the world we know today.

And R51 is correct, your comment has mistyped Third Wave feminism.

The research was published in the journal Men and Masculinities.

That explains the subtle homophobia, R115.

Where do you see homophobia?

In the end, any homosexual inclination must be denied. That's why some still insist homosexuality is a choice. The obsession with denying homoerotic attraction in bromance causes negativity towards homosexuality and homosexual men are then seen as a threat to the sanctity of friendship.

No, you are just trying to injection sexuality into something that is not sexual. You are trying to change the definition of a word to mean something it is not.

Inject

You think the word romance necessarily implies sex? R119

It doesn’t.

You bitches realize that even if we were to "Come full circle" and same-sex bonding became more prevalent, they still wouldn't want YOU, right? They would be pairing up with equally unkempt, illiterate brosephs to jack off and watch ESPN with. We'll still just be here hissing at each other.

R123 used "brosephs" in a sentence.

R123, that is already happening among masc4masc and bros4bros

Among some Black and Latin urban men, there are “Masc only” sex parties that prescreen out any guy with fem attributes or interests.

^ In your Nifty fantasies.

[quote] No, you are just trying to injection sexuality into something that is not sexual. You are trying to change the definition of a word to mean something it is not.

Welcome to Datalounge, gurl !!!! Where attractive straight men are secretly gay but actual gay men are simply disgusting.

R128 And where "injection" is (now) a verb.

These are the same type of gay guys whining about how straight men avoid them as friends. Perhaps if you’d stop trying to project homoerotic desire unto them...

I've always found "bromance" an odd term. We don't have a special term for women in emotionally intimate friendships. They're just close friends. "Bromance" seems to signal "close friends NO HOMO," which, yeah, that's homophobic.

[quote]"Bromance" seems to signal "close friends NO HOMO," which, yeah, that's homophobic.

And "bros" never pass up an opportunity to inject the word "bro" into the English language.

Yeah, Although brosexuals are for masculine mainstream dudebros who are indeed seeking erotic or sexual encounters with other bros

I think they "mess around" rather than engaging in sec.

Black and Latin masc or straightest dudes call it “messing around” or “vibing with a dude.”

Radical feminism and MGTOW are two sides of the same Cultural Marxist coin.

They also both promote Islam which keeps men and women separate from each other.

[quote]I've always found "bromance" an odd term. We don't have a special term for women in emotionally intimate friendships. They're just close friends. "Bromance" seems to signal "close friends NO HOMO," which, yeah, that's homophobic.

I agree 100%.

Words like "bromance" and "man-crush"--you don't here "girlmance" or"lady-crush" at all--take romantic relationships between men and trivialize them or make them out to be a joke.

[quote]Maybe Bromance is tied into why sperm counts are declining world wide. If all men are evolving towards gay, there is no need for sperm.

Mother nature is culling the herd.

We have fucking 7 billion people in the world population. Earth is only capable of sustaining 1 billion. She's fighting back. Expect the gay/bi population to keep growing.

R136, this is the first I've heard of MGTOW supporting Islam.

Well the goal of men is declare what they are doing is manly, masculine. Thus, we have words like mancave, mandate, brojob, brosexual, and manpurse. Masculinity is a huge deal to most males

Mother nature isn't "culling the herd" and gay men are just as fertile as any other guy--but thanks for associating another "deficiency" with us. What's happening is that men are being objectified like women now. That's why there are more men fucking men in general. There's also the internet which provides information about gay sex.

Straight girls do talk about having 'girl crushes', so it's not entirely gender specific.

As long as you don't utter the word "g@y," act masculine, and say "bro" and "dude" a lot, guys are cool with male-male intimacy.

Ever heard of white sharia R139?

[37] "But I'm sure the journal "Men and Masculinities" that's publishing this highly significant research rivals The Lancet in reputation. "

LOL you stupid, reactionary feminists are so eager to attack any data or study that threatens the feminist agenda or narrative you don't realise you're attacking your own:

Editor-in-chief of the journal "Men and Masculinities" is the well known feminist and anti-MRA Dr. Michael Kimmel: Michael Scott Kimmel (born February 26, 1951) is an American sociologist specializing in gender studies. He holds the position of Distinguished Professor of Sociology at the Stony Brook University in New York and is the founder and editor of the academic journal Men and Masculinities. Kimmel is a spokesperson of the National Organization for Men Against Sexism (NOMAS) and a longtime feminist. In 2013, he founded the Center for the Study of Men and Masculinities at Stony Brook University, where he is Executive Director.

Radical feminism is one of the few activist groups to speak out against certain Islamic practices It's liberal feminists who are too terrified of offending cultural relativists to criticize them.

R8 there are also a lot of Kinsey 4's and 5's who are bisexual but identify as "gay" men, or "lesbian" women.

It's nice to be remembered, R96. And, yes, thanks, I am doing well.

There are always a few openly gay males who are attractive and masculine enough that they will effortlessly attract hetero males into friendships, some of those males will be comfortable enough (or infatuated enough) to want to experiment sexually. Remember Tuc Watkins character on Desperate Housewives? He was also known as "The Flipper" in collage. His theory was every man is "only 2 beers away" from being gay.

People are so homophobic now they openly admit that they fuck men but won't even call themselves "gay" or "homosexual", or even "bisexual". Note the enthusiastic poster.

Pathetic.

R150, “now?” Open gay identity is a very recent development and still rare globally. You seem to think it was more open in the past and men who had sex with men embraced a gay identity back then.

There were many cultures prior to the expansion of Christianity where homosexuality was not an issue.

Now, there is a difference between gay and homosexual that the English-speaking world tends to look over. For example, a guy in the Middle East may admit he likes men but he doesn't identify as gay since gay was born as an identifier for a specifi type of homosexual man, mainly gender nonconforming that heavily rotates around the world of drag, transvestism, etc which is not the reality of homosexual men in other cultures.

Gay identity is very new.

[quote]Mother nature isn't "culling the herd" and gay men are just as fertile as any other guy--but thanks for associating another "deficiency"

No idiot. Mother Nature is culling the heard of straight men. The most destructive force in the animal kingdom.

Straight men are disproportionately responsible for the 7 billion we have now. Of course Mother Nature would want more gays around. We don't spread our seed irresponsibly like straights do.

As a lesbian I have to admit envy toward straight men for their 'bromances'. I would love to have close & affectionate platonic bonds with a group of other women (straight or les) but it rarely happens because tribalism & mistrust hinder it. Females naturally have to have our guards up higher because of the world we live in so it's natural that we can't get close like 'bros', but is that all there is to the story?

In my experience women can have 'sisters' they trust or share a lifelong bond with, but these relationships often have codifications from institutions (college sororities & high-school cliques) or family units (in-laws & cousins etc.) because of the intensive way our society socialises women. There is the occasional female softball/bowling team or army unit that stay close for life but this is not commonplace or expected as it is between straight men.

It's hard to pinpoint the complete list of reason why women don't bond like comrades much, but they sure as hell aren't encouraged to (it's family first!) The socialisation starts on the playground with Chinese whispers and never lets up after.

What the hell are you talking about R155? Most close friendships I see are between two women.

Bromances are not sexual by definition.

This reminds me of “romantic friendships” which were discussed a lot back in the 90s.

You would not have the need to use the word "romance" unless there is something else going on that the word friendship doesn't cover in its basic meaning.

Sometimes the bond is more romantic.

ssfd

Ok, so what about Chickmances?

Are there any popular Chickmances being "investigated" by the media?

There is a guy in my building like this. Gay men count as women in this context. Just for fucking. We're all tools to them.

I like brosexuals.

I don't have sex with hetero men. If they have sex with men they're not hetero anyway. R162

[quote] Gay men count as women in this context. Just for fucking. We're all tools to them.

This is something to ponder. Do straight men now view women & gay men as subordinate helpmeets & fucktoys, and assert their superiority by sticking to their own? Or, do straight men feel victimised by the vocal resurgence of certain subsections of gay/female rights advocates and keep to themselves in the shock of censure?

I see both as potentially plausible, any impartial experts care to weigh in? Whatever their deal is, this situation is pre-20th Century in nature and regressing fast.

I only mess with brosexuals who don’t identity as gay. They keep it lowkey and mascUline

And who introduce you to they baby mamas.

Hell naw bruh. Although get down with plenty of Brothas with kids, I want nothin to do with baby mamas. I’ve had girlfriends threaten and stalk me about their dudes. Not cool man

Hasn't it always been this way? Like with 'romantic friendships' in the Civil War, and such? And 'bedfellows' before that?

Yep, most societies are homosocial. Some have argued the gay movement inhibits men from strong emotional friendships

Homoerotic is shunned but since the impulse exists it is socially sublimated through homosocialism.

It reminds me of an acquainted who goes to the gym. He's bisexual, but the men in his gym always approach him to tell him how big his legs are and, sometimes they even touch his legs while prretending there isn't sex appeal that attracts them about his body. He lughs al the time because he knows their intentions.

Does he let you breathe the same air, R171, as he is "lughing"?

Many Gym bros admire male aaesthetic without having erotic desire for males. It’s essentially artistic admiration or gymspiration to sculp their physiques I. Such a manner. A lot of gay guys try to project their homocentric desire on other gym guys, which leads to negative interactions with mainsteam Gym guys.

Many Gym bros admire male aesthetic with erotic desire for males.

R8 I feel so sorry for you, you sound like some creepy, sad, manipulative, horny for straight guys boogeyman. Oh and any straight guy who uses the word "bro" or "bromance" to describe anything....is a douchebag and bro douchebag fuck heads don't like gays (we all know the word they use).

[R173] Why is the g in gym a capital letter?

I have a suspicion that the call each other "bros" because it helps to blunt the homoerotic feelings some of them have for one another. Which is even more concerning, when some of them desire there 'brothers' (bros).

Bodybuilding is neither or sport nor an artform.

Why is it so offensive that some gymbros are attracted to other gymbros and the male body?

Who said it is offensive ?

90% of straight males see life as a continuous competition, so these "bromances" are mostly fake. You can see it too in the gay world, much more than you used to because to be gay back in the 70s and 80s was enough. Now that the types who were closeted back then are coming out, they have brought their Darwinistic mentality along with them and are slowly poisoning our community.

Some gays are act offended when suggesting some of these men are not heterosexual. I guess it destroys the fetish.

[quote]Now that the types who were closeted back then are coming out, they have brought their Darwinistic mentality along with them and are slowly poisoning our community.

Mmm thats a pretty deep topic that could have its own discussion.

Competition is Not inconsistent with brotherly bonds. I play basketball with guys all the time, and I wanna kick their ass, but we’re solid buds who are cool with each other and have a lot of fun.

If you are heterosexual you have a natural impulse to be intimate with the opposite sex and not the same sex. Yeah, you may need a close male friend, but not desperately to the point it can be called bROMANCE.

R183, actually they do.

HGFddddd

Men having deep friendships with other men, as well as business and political relationships, and relegating women to sex slavery and motherhood, is NOT new.

MGTOW, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

These are the young men who "don't like labels."

this makes a lot of sense. men and women are wildly different. men prefer being with other men for almost everything. men are easier to get along with. men are easy. women are difficult, testy, and always have to get their own way. I have no problem believing this at all now that gay hysteria has died down, male relationships are going back to what they were previously, in the 20s and 30s.

Heterosexual men love to be around women. They're not homosexuals.

no. heterosexual men love to fuck women. heterosexual men don't like being around women. heterosexual men like being around men.

Gay or straight, most men don't want to hang out with women. If straight men didn't need to have sex, they would rarely go near women.

Straight men wanting to have sex with women has absolutely NOTHING to do with them feeling emotionally connected to women. If anything, gay men are more emotionally connected to women.

Yo, bro. I'm bummed out. Can I get a hug?

^^^ No Homo!

As a homosexual guy there is nothing about my homosexuality that connects me with women emotionally. We may like men but we are not women and we don't experience attraction to men like women do. R192

Heterosexual men, on the other hand are attracted to women and need them not only sexually but emotionally.

Bromance is about affection, not sex, is that correct?

Are straight guys able to distinguish between those and draw the boundary?

Yes, men know the difference between platonic brotherly love and erotic desire.

See, validating homosexuality IS a threat to traditional marriage.

And you guys thought those idiotic xtian fundie nutbags were crazy to think that unless they made the homosex illegal, men would abandon women.

Score one for the the fundie xtian nutbags - or the morons who promote this stupidity. Take your pick.

Hmmm

Friendship is not romantic.

In OP's photo, the sad chef,, the Ftm and the terrorist seem to be getting along

Absolutely true.....most (if not all) of my straight friends including my straight brother are sick of womens’ nagging ways, smelly vag, and general bitchiness. When my straight co-worker is hanging out at my apartment and his wife texts him, he calls her a stupid c$&t and tells me he wishes he had my life, minus the part about sucking d$&k!! I think men are going thru the motions with their women but secretly hate them. I know I do, except for my mom and a couple of women I tolerate. I would MUCH rather be in the company of men: straight or gay.

Well then, be with him. Fine.

Some of you are so delusional.

Heterosexual men need women more thn you would like them to becaue they are attracted to them not only sexually but also romantically, that's why they marry them and have family with them. If you have secluded yourself to gay spaces only then you have not see your heterosexual male friend leaving his friends to spend more time with a girlfriend.

Straight men in bromances are usually the sort of childish pig-males women aren't interested anymore these days. So they hang out with each other because women aren't having this sort of ape-behavior anymore. There's nothing gay about it, these dudes are child-men who don't wanna grow up and the straights can keep them.

This thread is everything wrong on DL. Over-simplified universal statements about straight men, as if you know your one "bud" represents every young straight male. And if I read "bruh" from a fag one more time…..

Ewwww, MGTOW. Incels who insist they're the ones doing the rejecting.

Huh?

Alcohol makes straight guys much more affectionate with guys. I have seen and felt this in action.

Young men are done with the hyper-confident entitled crap of young women.

The gash aint worth the rash.

So gay men with alcohol are more affectionate with women too?

We project our hidden mysteries onto others; gay/straight alike.

Hence erotic attraction

And as women become more powerful, men become more vulnerable and look to other men for the power they've lost.

OR to other newly empowered women. Women bonding in the workplace-Men, in their homes.

More choices then EVER!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

America = continent.

R204 How many straight men are genuinely interested in having families, as in having a strong desire to be 'daddies'? They just go along with their wive's desire to have babies, to keep the woman happy.

You don't hear straight men, generally, banging on about this imperative to have children, as much as you do hear females getting 'baby fever'.

Straight men often want companionship and sex, not so much the whole shebang of kids.

R208 Incel = involuntary celibate. They don't have sex and blame women and attractive/black men ("chads") for it instead of looking at their flaws, showering, and going out to meet women. Elliot Rodgers was one, leading many incels to worship him. And MGTOW are men who are angry at women and society and "choose" to not be in relationships, but many of them are just reactionary white straight men who also hate nonwhite men for "taking their women" (ie white and japanese women). For the most part they just want it to be the 50s (either 1950s or 1850s) again because they're sick of women having a say in relationships and being able to divorce them.

R215 It's not that MGTOW don't like that women have power, it's that they feel women have the ULTIMATE power.

Don't make out the MGTOW are misogynists.

"Please don't call a spade a spade"

217 Great come back. Love the logic! Have you ever considered auditioning as a Palin family member?

Who the hell calls hot black dudes “chads?”

4channers and redditors. Chads are just attractive alpha men in general who fuck women, with Stacy being the attractive bitch slut who doesn't fuck you and fucks Chads instead. And the alt right white men that got radicalized from MGTOW/Mens rights movements (particularly the ones on reddit) are scared of black men stealing their women, white genocide, etc. It's why cuck is such a popular insult. Insults the perceived lack of masculinity as well as insinuates that your woman would rather get plowed by a BBC than you.

Also republicans are more turned on by cuck porn and hot wife is traditionally a southern's man's fetish.

Hmmm

You and other people here are trying to dehumanise heterosexual men and portray them a nothing but lust-driven creatures. I tend to think most of the people here may live secluded lives only sorrounded by othr gay people having little contact with heterosexual people (men).

Just like with any human being having a family is most people's interest and need. There are stages in peopl's ives where, for example, lust and sex are what you mainly do when you are young, but as you grow up and mature the need or desire to have a family of your own becomes stronger. R214

I have a diverse group of friends, homosexuals, bisexuals, heterosexual; most of my friends are heterosexual. I have seen them leave friends for their girlfriends, I have seen them dream of the perfect life with a wife and kids and the dog. Heterosexual men are more romntic than you might think. I have seen heterosexual guys do ridiculous things like visiting one of my girl classmates at our school to brig her flowers all formally dressed up and stuff.

r222 I think you overestimate them just a tad. Straight guys typically have to go through a lot more hoops than gay guys to get laid. Doing things like putting on a suit and bringing flowers makes them look good. For all you know when they were finally alone he chucked the vase at her head. They may dream of having the perfect life but once the honeymoon phase wears off they often end up resenting it and think they deserve a pat on the back for every passing day they don't decide to "Go out and buy milk."

Dogs are a man's best friend because they're obedient, they don't talk, and they treat you like a king just for giving them a bowl to eat out of and a safe place to shit. If they could cook and grow tits, women would become obsolete to them.

I sound like Andrea Dworkin but none of the relationships that I've witnessed in my life have suggested otherwise.

Again, you are trying to dehumanise heterosexual men. Many of them are nasty people towards gays but they still have human feelings that go beyond simple sexual intercourse. R223

If only women knew how straight men talk about their wives or girlfriends when in the company of other men. Would they want to know about the charade that straight men go through to demonstrate “romance”? The main drivers for straight men when romancing their woman is to placate her and to gain status with their male friends. Starting with when I was in a fraternity, I have been shocked in my life to see how oblivious women are about men’s actual feelings and motivations.

For the most part men mostly want sex and somebody who will mother them while also listening to everything he says.

I guess it's why french maid outfits are so popular. It combines all 3 of those desires lol.

Whatever dude

I don't think men and women are temperamentally suited to live with each other. It's good to do if they have a kid together but otherwise from that, marriage is not particularly good for women. They have a lot to put up with and far too much responsibility. I'm sure many of them would be rather happy to leave the man's bonding to other men so she can focus on herself and her girlfriend. This is not a sexual thing. Gay or straight, friendship will create the greatest emotional satisfaction..

Heterosexual men love and need women. Deal with it.

I'm not surprised. Misogyny is sky rocketing in line with toxic masculinity.

Men are suffering too. Some men and women would probably make good friends but the man's friends might ridicule him for having a woman friend.

Women are hated. That's why there's a deficit of women in Asia by millions. Girl babies are being aborted. Now for the first time men outnumber women in the global population.

R22 Instead of whining and living in fear, why doesn't he grow the fuck up and get a vasectomy?

[quote] How many straight men are genuinely interested in having families, as in having a strong desire to be 'daddies'? They just go along with their wive's desire to have babies, to keep the woman happy.

I've known couples who have broken up because the wife couldn't or didn't want to have children. Straight men want to have kids. Maybe not at 25, but eventually most of them do. How many of these Hollywood males do you see cranking out kids in their 50's and 60's for the first time?

[quote] [bold] straight guys DO it [/bold]

the tee shirt...

Yeah, r232, I work with several white men in their late 20's who are desperately trying to find a woman to pop out kids for them. I keep asking them if they know what that means and why women may not WANT to have kids anymore (women do ALL of the work of raising the kids) but they don't want to hear it. They WANT kids and are willing to put up with all kinds of bullshit to find someone to HAVE their kids. I don't get it.

I grew up around boys for the most part but I'm a woman. I've found men to be much easier to get along with in some respects because I "get" them. They're fairly simple creatures for the most part - they have enormous egos and just want to "win" and be admired by others. WYSIWYG

If dudes get their emotional fulfillment by hanging with other dudes - so what? Women have always gotten their emotional fulfillment from their girlfriends. Not a big deal.

The MGTOW cunts are pro rape, pro wife beating, pro paedophilia and many of them are extremely homophobic, so why any gay male would want anything to do with them is beyond me? OMG! Is it, like, 'cause ya think they're soooo hawt? 'Cause they think you're gross. They play the victim act, but they are the reason rad feminism exists.

Frankly, I find it amusing they actually think any woman would be bothered that these lazy, fugly losers are "going their own way," because no woman is desperate enough to date them.

Who the fuck has time to decipher all these acronyms

Some people commenting here seem to live in ghettos and think heterosexual men only want women for sex. Just like homosexuality also means romantic attraction to the same sex heterosexuality means romantic attraction to the opposite sex which means heterosexual men need to bond emotioally and romantically with women.

Sure, Jan...

A lot of sad wank fantasies here about no-homo straight bros when the reality of what you're talking about is a handful of fat bitter incel alt right neckbeards who are about as likely ever to see a real pussy as they are their own penises again. Keep on pumping, brah.