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New Study Shows Atkins, Asprey Were Right: High Fat, Low Carb Diet Is Much Healthier Than Reverse

And coffee is good for you.

by Anonymousreply 243a day ago

Thing is, too much animal protein taxes the kidneys and other organs.

by Anonymousreply 108/31/2017

R1 vs Science

by Anonymousreply 208/31/2017

That is some vegan nonsense right there r1

by Anonymousreply 308/31/2017

Long term, that meat will clog your arteries.

Humans weren't built to eat meat at every meal. Just common sense

by Anonymousreply 408/31/2017

Read the article. Still says veggies and fruits are king

by Anonymousreply 508/31/2017

I started out a doubter, but I'm convinced now...

Man has been eating grains (and then, bread) for many years now. But we've genetically modified wheat so much that it's actually fucking with a lot of people's digestive systems.

I avoid wheat and gluten whenever possible. I do eat other carbs, but I limit them.

by Anonymousreply 608/31/2017

What are "bioactive fruits"?

by Anonymousreply 708/31/2017

R7 things like Richard Simmons.

by Anonymousreply 808/31/2017

Ok, you earned an additional internet inch on your dick, R8.

Response time was awesome.

by Anonymousreply 908/31/2017

What R9 said, R8

That literally made me LOL

by Anonymousreply 1008/31/2017

R6: Same here. Lost a ton of weight by reducing sugar and white carbs. As a result, my appetite shrinked which led to less calories naturally. That is all it took. I wish I knew this years ago...

by Anonymousreply 1108/31/2017

what happened to just having a balanced diet?

by Anonymousreply 1208/31/2017

Some of us are natural fatties on a "balanced" diet. No sugar, lower carbs is what some us need to keep thin and healthy. I end up eating more vegetables, legumes, oils, seeds and nuts doing low carb cause I am not filling up on bread and pasta. It really is a much healthier way to eat for a lot of people. Some of you seem to think low carb means eating eggs and bacon all the time.

by Anonymousreply 1308/31/2017

My favorites are the dipsticks who forego all carbs, including good ones like whole grains.

I knew a woman who avoided broccoli because it was too carby.

by Anonymousreply 1408/31/2017

I agree.

by Anonymousreply 1508/31/2017

Yes, but isn't upsetting people with the info that high fat, low carb can reverse metabolic disorder and eliminate the adipose fat that can contribute to cancer half the fun? Watching people who've been going without eggs go ballistic when you tell them dietary cholesterol is only 15% of total cholesterol? Telling them about the Okinawans who eat fish and have very high cholesterol and very long life spans?

A fried of me lost 20 kg on Atkins, another's sloughed off at least 20. Me, I lost only 15 kg but my sleep and health improved. Ignoring food industry-guided national health and dietary guidelines, and eating the way our grandparents and great-grandparents did helped our physiques.

by Anonymousreply 1609/01/2017

I am dropping pounds like crazy doing low carb. I do feel guilty buying butter by the truckload.

by Anonymousreply 1712/01/2017

There's an important distinction between simple carbs and complex carbs. Humans evolved on complex carbs, the occasional mastodon steak, and nuts and berries. Simple carbs weren't plentiful until several hundred years ago.

by Anonymousreply 1812/01/2017

Carbs are carbs. Complex or not, if you’re fat you shouldn’t be eating any of them.

by Anonymousreply 1912/01/2017

Not so. They're metabolized very differently.

by Anonymousreply 2012/01/2017

YOU get a carb, and YOU get a carb, and YOU get a carb, and YOU get a carb . . .

by Anonymousreply 2112/01/2017

I have not had carbs in over a year.

by Anonymousreply 2212/01/2017

Not one carb? Really? How do you shit?

by Anonymousreply 2312/01/2017

We've only been eating grains for about 10,000 yrs. Prior to that and for well over 200,000 yrs, we have been hunter gatherers who ate animal protein. Specifically, organ meats, brain, marrow, and fat. The reason we have the huge brains we have is because of our carnivorous past.

by Anonymousreply 2412/01/2017

Saturated fats do NOT clog arteries. This is horseshit propaganda with zero scientific basis. Read The Big Fat Surprise. Zero evidence to support the diet-heart hypothesis. Avoid sugar and industrial oils.

by Anonymousreply 2512/01/2017

So you are saying we should only eat meat?

by Anonymousreply 2612/01/2017

[quote]Not one carb? Really? How do you shit?

It’s pebbly.

by Anonymousreply 2712/01/2017

R26, Yes, I am.

by Anonymousreply 2812/01/2017

Well, I am doing less than 50 grams of carbs a day. i started 16 days ago and have already dropped 9 pounds. And it seems easy. I do not get hungry. I am eating tons of protein and fat.

by Anonymousreply 2912/01/2017

Exactly @ R24. Can you imagine our early ancestors going on a hunt and then refusing to eat the "fatty" parts of the animal because they were "watching their cholesterol"? Nope. They ate the whole thing. What they did NOT eat was grains, whole or otherwise, and sugar.

by Anonymousreply 3012/01/2017

I no longer crave sugar, I don’t know why. Not sure if it’s hypoglycemia; I don’t have any hypoglycemic symptoms, light-headed, fatigued, muscle atrophy...

by Anonymousreply 3112/01/2017

Eat eggs, grass fed tallow, coconut oil, fuck tons of liver, marrow, kidneys, brain, and tongue. Butter the shit out of everything. 50 to 80 percent of your diet should be saturated fat. Do NOT touch anything that contains sugar or industrial oil (canola, soybean, corn, etc). That shit is deadly poison and causes heart disease and cancer.

by Anonymousreply 3212/01/2017

Oh god, canola?? I just bought some tonight! I gave up dairy, so no butter. Ugh.

by Anonymousreply 3312/01/2017

How fucking often did people get to eat meat? For millennia, it was by no means daily. That's why the human gut is not short in the way that the feline gut is.

by Anonymousreply 3412/01/2017

Oh, I bought cold-pressed.

[quote]Bottom Line: Some conventional canola oils are questionable, but you can avoid the dangers and reap the heart-healthy benefits by choosing a quality expeller-pressed or cold-pressed oil that's also organic or non-GMO.

by Anonymousreply 3512/01/2017

Low carb diets are not high in protein. They are high in fat. Fat is essential for health. It only 'makes' you fat if you eat it with grains and sugar. The typical healthy, low carb "ketogenic" diet has approx. 70% cals from fat, 20% protein, 10% carb.

by Anonymousreply 3612/01/2017

[quote]Thing is, too much animal protein taxes the kidneys and other organs.

Link please.

by Anonymousreply 3712/01/2017

Canola is liquid toxic waste. Not fit for human consumption. It's a brand name for rapeseed oil which is highly unstable and toxic. These oils have only been around for barely 100 years and were originally intended for industrial use NOT for human consumption. They hydrogenated that nasty, toxic vegetable oil to make it solid at room temperature. Hydrogenated fat AKA Trans Fat is a known carcinogen and has been banned in Europe and is being phased out of all food products in the US. They were feeding americans poisonous trans fats for 50 years until the evidence became so overwhelming, they had to ban that shit.

by Anonymousreply 3812/01/2017

You ate meat as often as you hunted it. If you were unlucky one day, you didn't eat. Hence our bodies are adapted for intermittent fasting. It triggers a healing state and you should be incorporating IF or time restricted eating into your regimen.

by Anonymousreply 3912/01/2017

Note to fruit lovers. Take it easy. Cut way back. In fact, limit yourself to just one serving of berries a day. Our modern fruit is nothing like what we evolved to eat. The sugars are WAY too concentrated. A glass of orange juice has as much sugar as a candy bar.

Low carb diets are loaded with non starchy vegetables. Several more servings per day than the typical low fat diet.

by Anonymousreply 4012/01/2017

Canola is a big crop where I live. That’s because farmers were tired of the wheat board’s monopoly in wheat and barley sales. They marketed it well. I never buy it. Only buy olive oil, preferably Spanish.

by Anonymousreply 4112/01/2017

Why not Italian?^

by Anonymousreply 4212/01/2017

Bye, carbs!

by Anonymousreply 4312/01/2017

"In a nutshell, a healthy diet based on the PURE results would be rich in fruits, beans, seeds, vegetables, and fats, include dollops of whole grains, and be low in refined carbohydrates and sugars."

The fats the study is talking about are mainly plant fats

by Anonymousreply 4412/01/2017

People are, of course, clinging to the wrong message from this study.

It's not low carbs that count, it's eating vegetables over meat

by Anonymousreply 4512/01/2017

Axtually, R24, it was cooking that released enough nutrients and energy in food to support the development of larger brains. BTW, we are the only animal that cooks our food.

by Anonymousreply 4612/01/2017

[quote]Only buy olive oil, preferably Spanish.

A friend introduced me to avocado oil. Over where I live at least half the olive oils aren't what they claim to be. Avocado oil is especially nice for making mayonnaise with eggs.

r38 The Agriculture museum I went to in July had an exhibit on canola. The text was Marketing Boardspeak.

About the "too much protein" claim. It's fun to say "too much X is bad for you." It makes one sound like an expert as long as one isn't pressed for a number. "Too much Vitamin D3 is toxic." "Oh sweet Lord I just took 401 IU of cholecalciferol will there really be a morning after?" "Too much protein is bad." Sure, if one's also taking in too many calories in general or if the protein source is contaminated by heavy metals or bovine growth hormone. Just like too many smoothies are bad if they have a lot of sugar or too many vegetables if they have toxic pesticide residue.

For someone who lifts weights and is physically active, eating around 1g per pound of body weight is the usual recommendation, or even more.

Findings from a study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found that among 2,986 adults, average age 40, those who consumed the most protein (1.8 g per kg per day), whether from animal or plants, had significantly higher muscle mass and strength than those whose diets provided the RDA of 0.8 g per kg.

Older adults are thought to need more protein – about 1.2 g per kg per day – to preserve muscle mass and muscle function.

If you work out regularly, you do need more protein than the RDA. Depending on your sport, a daily intake of 1.2 to 2 g per kg body weight is needed to repair muscle breakdown that occurs during exercise.

Low-calorie dieters also need to rely on extra protein to prevent muscle loss that occurs from dieting. Research has shown that consuming protein in excess of the RDA, combined with resistance training, preserves muscle mass in people following a calorie-restricted diet.

by Anonymousreply 4712/01/2017

I could go for avocado oil.

R42, it’s a taste preference. I prefer Spanish oils, then Greek, the Italian. Spanish olive oils are thicker and tastier. Greek oils are thin, but mostly more fragrant than Italian oils.

by Anonymousreply 4812/01/2017

Canola oil gives me the worst gas. Corn itself is a useless vegetable.

by Anonymousreply 4912/01/2017

Oil, even olive oil, is rarely good for you.

In fact we again took the wrong conclusions from those Mediterranean diet studies. People live longer because of the fruits and vegetables, not the fucking oil

by Anonymousreply 5012/01/2017

R7 just made my night!!

by Anonymousreply 5112/01/2017

[quote]401 IU of cholecalciferol


100,000 IU

by Anonymousreply 5212/01/2017

Next year a new study will come out claiming that carbs are good and fats are bad

In conclusion: Nobody Knows Shit

by Anonymousreply 5312/01/2017

What R53 said.

by Anonymousreply 5412/01/2017

Agreed, r53, r54. Daddy died of multiple of heart attacks after giving up that dangerous saturated fat real butter for the healthy transfat margarine at his doctors' insistence.

by Anonymousreply 5512/01/2017

R3 - how is R1 statement vegan nonsense? I agree it's not true. But clearly "too much animal protein" isn't a vegan concept. Clear implication of "too much" is that some is OK.

by Anonymousreply 5612/01/2017

I started a keto diet during radiation treatments and it really helped me get through. I am staying on it permanently.

by Anonymousreply 5712/01/2017

r32 Are you the guy who was bitching about Whole Foods' hot bar yesterday? What is wrong with canola oil? I wanted to ask, but lost the thread.

by Anonymousreply 5812/01/2017

R3 R56 Actually, there is truth to my statement. Too much animal protein does tax certain organs, because it raises the uric acid levels in the body, which can lead to several issues, particularly the most common being kidney stones, gout, and several other issues. And these issues can arise and effect those at healthy weights just as much as those who are overweight, as well as those who have never had a history of these issues. It also depends on what animals you take in, as each has a different acid level. On the flip side, plant-based proteins and fats are often left out of these dialogues, and are rarely as emphasized as animal meat in high protein diet dialogues. As some have said above, that's what the real details of these studies are pointing out - that the proteins and fats are best when from healthy sources, particularly plant sources.

I never said to not eat any meat. Just to be aware of what kind, and how much. The human body doesn't actually need quite as much as we normally consume to get all the health benefits. And for the record, I am not a vegan. I eat meat, and have had great success with high protein, low carb eating plans. I was simply trying to point out that too much animal protein does have consequences on the internal body, even for those already fairly healthy. I know quite a few who have had to augment their high protein diets because it had adverse effects on them.

by Anonymousreply 5912/01/2017

R45, I don’t get that from this at all. It says vegetables are part of a healthy diet but also goes on to note that:

[quote]Guidelines also tend to stress that if eating some fruits and vegetables is good, more must be better. But among the study participants, those whose diets included three to four servings of fruits and vegetables a day were no more likely to have died as those whose diets included eight or more servings a day.

It sounds like the amount of fruits and vegetables you eat over four servings a day have little to no effect on mortality at least. If your not eating grains, and no more than four servings of vegetables are needed, then all that leaves is fat and protein.

by Anonymousreply 6012/02/2017


by Anonymousreply 6112/02/2017

[quote]"Oh sweet Lord I just took 401 IU of cholecalciferol will there really be a morning after?"

I've been chuckling about this for an hour.

by Anonymousreply 6212/02/2017

What then was the “gatherer” part of “hunter gatherer”? Didn’t primitive man hunt and eat meat when they could and then also gather or forage for fruit and vegetative matter. Omnivorous like many mammals.

by Anonymousreply 6312/02/2017

R53 is so sadly right. The state of nutrition science is pretty sad. There is so much that we just don't know, and there has been far too much willingness to treat hypotheses as fact. The book The Big Fat Surprise shows the irresponsibility of some so-called experts in pushing the diet-heart hypothesis.

[QUOTE] It's fun to say "too much X is bad for you." It makes one sound like an expert as long as one isn't pressed for a number.

Yeah, how come every ignoramus thinks they know all there is to know about this stuff?

by Anonymousreply 6412/02/2017

Two months after I went on all meat diet, I went for an annual physical and labs. My doctor said whatever you are doing, stop it. Your lab numbers are all wrong.

by Anonymousreply 6512/02/2017

Like was already said, we know nothing, and the advice is constantly changing.

I eat what I enjoy. We're all going to die anyway, I want to enjoy every aspect of life that I can.

by Anonymousreply 6612/02/2017

R24 - you're correct that eating grains is a relatively recent addition to our diets-- however, do you also realize that the average lifespan has more than tripled because of diet changes and advances in medicine... Mary!

by Anonymousreply 6712/02/2017

R67, do you also realize there is a correlation between the obesity epidemic and the career of David Hasselhoff? Clearly we need to stop banning trans fats and start banning Baywatch reruns!

by Anonymousreply 6812/02/2017

WW r68 lol

by Anonymousreply 6912/02/2017

70% of cancers and chronic diseases like diabetes and hypertension are due to our meat eating ways. Meat causes inflammation in our bodies and leads to these diseases.

Nutrition science is ina shambles because it is influenced by the lobbying of these large meat producing companies. The government is afraid to say limit your meat intake because then congress won't get its campaign contributions.

We know what makes for a healthier life. Politics prevents large government-funded studies from saying it directly

by Anonymousreply 7012/02/2017

[QUOTE]how come every ignoramus thinks they know all there is to know about this stuff?

Also, why do so many vegans spread uncited misinformation or just blatantly tell lies?

by Anonymousreply 7112/02/2017

Well, I am doing the keto diet and down another pound for a total of 11 in 18 days. I just started adding heavy cream to my coffee. The very low carb diet is working.

by Anonymousreply 7212/02/2017

For all of you posting how much weight you've lost (R72), it would be helpful to know where you started-- your current height and weight.

Someone who is 150 lbs overweight dropping 11 lbs in 18 days is much easier than someone who is 10 lbs overweight doing the same thing.

by Anonymousreply 7312/02/2017

Okay. I started at 231 and I am a little over six feet tall. The weight gain started a few years back. Five years ago I was at 180.

by Anonymousreply 7412/02/2017

[quote]70% of cancers and chronic diseases like diabetes and hypertension are due to our meat eating ways.

I thought diabetes was caused by our sugar eating ways.

by Anonymousreply 7512/02/2017

Everything in moderation.

I find restricted eating times is a great way to maintain and also has other benefits. It's not something most people can do 7 days a week, but if I eat dinner early 3 or 4 days a week and stop eating at 6 or 6:30 and just have coffee, tea or water until 10AM (which is what a lot of people do anyway) I find I sleep much better and generally have more energy.

The rest is just common sense--cut down on junk carbs-- rolls, pretzels, etc. Eat a salad instead of a sandwich for lunch when you can (e..g if you have a sandwich twice a week the world won't end.) Eat a lot of green vegetables with your proteins. Hard boiled eggs and almonds or cashews make great snacks. And be careful with protein bars--they're easy and quick and as a result it's easy to eat them in place of a meal, but that's not good either and many of them (RX bars, for example) have a lot of (natural) sugar from dates, which is still bad for you in excess, and others (Quest) have xylitol which is also not great and gives many people gas and other stomach issues.

by Anonymousreply 7612/02/2017

[quote]Hard boiled eggs make great white and yellow turd substitutes.


by Anonymousreply 7712/02/2017

Eat in moderation and diversify. A good rule of thumb is 60 to 70% plants and fruits and the rest can be meat, fish, cheese and eggs, etc. Consume sugar (soda drinks) and starch based carbs (like potatoes, noodles, bread, pastries, rice) as little and seldom as possible. Treat them like a treat rather than a daily or hourly snack.

by Anonymousreply 7812/02/2017

If you hate plain hard boiled eggs R77, you can dip them in something-- hummus, tomato sauce, guacamole, mustard.

Or you become a "bear" and eat whatever you want.

[Someone needs to rebrand fat chicks like that. Given how many of them there are and all.]

by Anonymousreply 7912/02/2017

Yeah, right, R79.

by Anonymousreply 8012/02/2017

Then I'd suggest you spend more time here R80 and less time on DL

by Anonymousreply 8112/02/2017

I don’t believe in “eat in moderation”. Sugar is bad, dairy is bad, fruit and vegetables divine.

by Anonymousreply 8212/02/2017

You really are kind of mental, R81. I weigh 140 pounds.

by Anonymousreply 8312/02/2017

But at 4'2" R83, that's a lot of weight.

Maybe there's a Mini-Bear club you can join

by Anonymousreply 8412/02/2017

Why would I give a fuck what people ate hundreds or thousands of years ago? They dropped dead at 20, if they were lucky.

by Anonymousreply 8512/02/2017

No, I'm 5'8". Why are you such an asshole?

by Anonymousreply 8612/02/2017

Congrats on your weight loss, R72. How have you found the transition to ketosis? Some people seem to find it very hard, others not so much.

by Anonymousreply 8712/02/2017

What R66 said. While attempting to eat some semblance of a balanced diet with different types of food sources, eat what you enjoy and practice moderation. Most importantly, listen to your body (including stool, urine, eyes, teeth, skin, hair, etc), which is often a good indicator of what is happening internally.

by Anonymousreply 8812/02/2017

I've switched to eating mostly vegetables with some very high quality meat, eggs and nuts and have never felt better in my life.

I used to be vegetarian, eating a lot of wheat and processed fake meats and never had much energy. The change was partly due to health reasons, there is a chemical common in processed food that I started reacting to. It is also common in rotisserie chickens, so I had to venture into the world of sticking a chicken or roast in a pot in the oven, seemed intimidating, but is actually so easy.

I go to the farmers market once per week, buy veg, meat, eggs, butter and cream, and then spend about 2 hours batch cooking for the week. I save so much on eating out and the extra weight has just fallen off. Eating locally and seasonally is cheap and really good for the environment. It feels good to support local farmers.

Most people who stop eating processed food and go back to home cooking find the weight disappears.

I eat some grains, I often make a big pot of steel cut oats with chopped fruit for the week (great with almond butter drizzled on top) or make carrot cake baked organic oats with shredded zucchini, carrots, apples and raisins (pineapple turns it into a Morning Glory treat). Pecans and cinnamon are great on top, I often use coconut milk (canned) for healthy fat. Grab and go. Organic is important for oats, which can have very high levels of glyphosate.

You don't want to lose weight too fast, not good for the skin, adding avocado and more nuts can help.

You will be stunned at how little recycling you have after cutting out processed food. Our great grandparents were not fat, if you eat like them, you won't be, either. All these chemicals, preservatives and artificial flavors, you don't need them!

by Anonymousreply 8912/02/2017

Not necessarily, R85. Life expectancy has gone way up, but he human lifespan hasn't changed too much. The critical period is childhood and early teens, and hundreds of years ago if people made it to age 20, they had a decent shot of reaching at least middle age. The reason life expectancy has gone up is because more people make it out of childhood thanks to better medicine and vaccines.

Of course, your chances of getting mauled by a predator while hunting/gathering for a meal were a lot higher thousands of years ago.

by Anonymousreply 9012/02/2017

Set yourself up for success, batch cook or try what this woman did, an Insta Pot. She lost a lot of weight and kept it off by switching to home cooked food, mainly veg and some protein. She was cooking daily for several people, so I could see an Insta Pot being very convenient.

by Anonymousreply 9112/02/2017

r57 Congrats on learning about the keto diet on or before starting your cancer treatments. You'll love reading [italic]The Metabolic Approach to Cancer[/italic] by Dr. Nasha Winters, if you haven't.

by Anonymousreply 9212/02/2017

Good for you R57. Happy you’re still with us and for many, many more years to come.

by Anonymousreply 9312/02/2017

Avoid processed food, even from the health food store.

Eat mostly plants and some high quality nuts, eggs and animal protein. Your health and wallet will thank you.

by Anonymousreply 9412/02/2017

I love cashews but they’re so high in carb.

by Anonymousreply 9512/02/2017

r94 I have a pet hypothesis that excitotoxins, contaminants in processed food, and dietary damage to the brain (denying it adequate fats and nutrients) leads to senior and obese Americans voting the way they do.

by Anonymousreply 9612/02/2017

Eggs and butter are also good for you.

by Anonymousreply 9712/02/2017

Big Pharma pushed back hard when Tom Brady's mostly plants with organic, local animal protein anti-inflammatory diet was in the news. If they can't get you on insulin, they will try for SSRIs.

by Anonymousreply 9812/02/2017

"casting doubt on the wisdom of eating lots of carbs"

I've never seen anyone advocating eating lots of carbs

by Anonymousreply 9912/02/2017

R8, I Lol'ed. Too bad we don't have Wit and Wisdonm on the side of DO now. Your comment was gold.

by Anonymousreply 10012/02/2017

Depends on the quality, R97.

Eggs from chickens fed GMO soy and corn doused in glyphosate are not the same as eggs from pasture raised chickens. Butter from grass fed cows is different than cows raised on the same GMO, glyphosate protocol.

Support your local farmer's market. Your taste buds and health and wallet will all thank you.

I can easily buy 2 big bags of veg for the week for the cost of ordering out one pizza.

by Anonymousreply 10112/02/2017

The quality of the food and the chemicals added matter quite a bit.

Support your local farmers. Many markets operate year round. Think about where you spend your $ and the impact on your health. You are what you eat also applies to beef, chicks, pork and fish we consume.

by Anonymousreply 10212/02/2017


by Anonymousreply 10312/02/2017

It works for me. Done right, it’s perfectly healthy. Back when Atkins was popular, my SILs did it (they love a good fad diet; they’ve done them all), I couldn’t understand the “no vegetables” part. But you can eat tons of vegetables on the LCHF diet. General rule of thumb is to not eat anything that grows underground.

Anyway, it works for me. Eliminated belly fat and spare tire, which is the “dangerous” fat WRT heart disease. And the cravings for carbs go away. It’s worth it.

by Anonymousreply 10412/02/2017

r104 LCHF worked for me too. The only downsides of LCHF for me were not supplementing with sufficient minerals at the induction (muscle cramps), the revved-up fat metabolism leading to temporary body odor from ketones being released, and my cousin, who invited me to the memorial service for her mom, asking our cousin whom he brought, I had lost that much weight. After the service she insisted on knowing how I did it, so she and her family could slim down too.

by Anonymousreply 10512/02/2017

[quote]General rule of thumb is to not eat anything that grows underground.

What about corn?

by Anonymousreply 10612/02/2017

I’ve started restricting my eating time to two hours a day after seeing Micheal Mosley’s film about fasting and it’s beneficial effects on aging and hormones. I only ate between 5 and 7 since the beginning of the year on a standard diet with grains/starches and my weight hovered around 155. On November 1, I quit smoking and started the Keto diet and this morning I weighed 141 pounds. I’m 5’9” and am the size I was in high school. I haven’t had any blood work done but my blood pressure is good and my energy level is great. It’s hard to eat enough fat so I’m probably eating more protein than I should.

by Anonymousreply 10712/02/2017

This feels like the boylimia thread.

by Anonymousreply 10812/02/2017

Excitotoxins are in dressings, "health foods" and processed chicken, from Popeyes to the Costco rotisserie bird. Know what you are eating. Eliminate processed food and you will be amazed at the changes in your health, including weight. Eat high quality, home cooked food. Go on a fab vaycay with all the $$$ you save.

by Anonymousreply 10912/02/2017

Those "health foods" may be making you sick...Big Pharma wants you eating processed food, whether the Hamburger Helper plan or the vegan one full of gmo fake food.

Weight will not be an issue, nor will cravings, if you eat whole, unprocessed plants with some high quality animal protein. Put down the "bars" full of GMOs and glyphosate and make the quality of your food a primary consideration.

by Anonymousreply 11012/02/2017

Fake food causes real health problems - do you know how that soy protein isolate is created? Is it GMO? Frankenfood is bad no matter the health marketing. Cut out fake food and the pounds will melt away.

by Anonymousreply 11112/02/2017

The only thing that worked for me was cutting out sugar. I lost 40lbs. I weighed 170. I’ve cut out dairy and hoping lose another 40.

by Anonymousreply 11212/02/2017

Hydrolyzed vegetable protein (HVP) is produced by boiling foods such as soy, corn, or wheat in hydrochloric acid and then neutralizing the solution with sodium hydroxide. The acid breaks down the protein in vegetables into their component amino acids.

One of the amino acids in the dark-coloured liquid that's left is glutamic acid. Consumers are more familiar with glutamic acid in the form of its sodium salt — monosodium glutamate, or MSG.

A similar product — derived from dairy products — is hydrolyzed whey protein.

----------------------------- Still seem like a health food?!

by Anonymousreply 11312/02/2017

R67, if you are referring to average lifespan increasing, that's a function of a dramatic decrease in infants mortality rates. Paleolithic humans had very high infant mortality which dragged down the average. The people who survived into adulthood and weren't victims of animal or human violence lived lifespans similar to Neolithic humans. Their bones and teeth were far stronger and healthier than Neolithic humans.

Once you look at the remains of Neolithic humans in agrarian societies, you see they were had stunted growth and terrible teeth. Egyptian mummy remains show this in spades.

A few books I recommend: Why We Get Fat; The Big Fat Surprise; Real Food, Fake Food; and Sapiens.

The Big Fat Surprise is a real eye opener about the disturbingly flawed "scientific research" that underpins nutrition related public policy.

by Anonymousreply 11412/02/2017


by Anonymousreply 11512/02/2017

R112, I hope cutting out sugar helps your math and compositional skills, too.

Good luck!

by Anonymousreply 11612/02/2017

R76, so "everything in moderation"? Does that include crack, meth, and heroin? Cigarettes in moderation?

by Anonymousreply 11712/02/2017

R70, link to peer reviewed study please?

by Anonymousreply 11812/02/2017

Prior generations were not morbidly obese, eat like them and excess weight falls off. Don't eat processed food, even from Whole Foods. Eat good quality, whole foods and your cravings will disappear.

by Anonymousreply 11912/02/2017

[quote]I hope cutting out sugar helps your math and compositional skills, too. Good luck!

And, the carbs you stuff into your face have clouded your ability to sense sarcasm. Blocked.

by Anonymousreply 12012/02/2017

After my first few days of low carbs I started peeing nonstop. It was my first clue that I was in ketosis. Anyone else experience this?

by Anonymousreply 12112/02/2017

I peed frequently, like six - nine times a day, but that was water weight loss, not necessarily ketosis. I never bothered with ketone strips to test if I was in ketosis: the body odor was hint enough.

by Anonymousreply 12212/02/2017

What is ketosis?

by Anonymousreply 12312/02/2017

It's still calories in and calories out that is going to keep the weight off and take it off.

Low carb diets are popular because they are so easy to maintain.

by Anonymousreply 12412/03/2017

Thank Christ. I love butter. I'd eat it anyway, but at least now I feel better about it.

Dark chocolate, red wine and butter! S'all good.

by Anonymousreply 12512/03/2017

Yes, a low carb diet seems easy to maintain. I haven't been hungry on it. I am finding it hard to get enough fat. This diet is very, very high in it.

by Anonymousreply 12612/03/2017

Avocados, R126.

by Anonymousreply 12712/03/2017

Another convert here. I also reduced sugar and carbs. The first 3 days were hell. But then I felt amazing and the weight fucking flew off. I lost 20lbs in 6 weeks. 35 altogether.

I’m not as strict now but I stick to it 80% of the time. My energy levels are through the roof. It’s mind blowing (I was a bloated low energy mess for years).

by Anonymousreply 12812/03/2017

R89, sounds great... except the coconut milk for 'healthy' fat. Many many doctors are now saying to avoid the coconut-- it is all saturated fat, so use in moderation-- google it tons of stories out there!

by Anonymousreply 12912/03/2017

Is it necessary to do both low carbs and high fat? What about keeping both low?

by Anonymousreply 13012/03/2017

Sugar, high fructose corn syrup, trans fat and overeating make people fat. The end.

by Anonymousreply 13112/03/2017

R130, if more than 40% of your calories come from protein it causes lethargy and brain fog in most people. It’s also bad for your kidneys.

by Anonymousreply 13212/03/2017

I forgot to add, protein is the only macronutrient left if you go low card and low fat.

by Anonymousreply 13312/03/2017

Link R132.

by Anonymousreply 13412/03/2017

Most of your food should still be plants, esp a variety of leafy greens.

by Anonymousreply 13512/03/2017

But the Keto Diet seems to be about fewer plants too. This is where I get confused. Prior to starting the Keto diet I was eating mostly plant based.

by Anonymousreply 13612/03/2017

Just get rid of carbs and dairy. Eat plants and fruit (only berries and oranges, no grapes or bananas-pure sugar).

by Anonymousreply 13712/03/2017

Thanks, R129. I figure a can or 2 a month won't kill me. A lot of fake milks are full of other troubling chemicals, like carageen, I avoid them.

The best thing about the baked oats is no sugar or sweetener is needed if you throw in an apple and the texture is like bread pudding, fab to eat for a week once or twice month. You can fit in a LOT of zucchini and carrots, great way to start the day, with a few pasture raised eggs holding it together you don't get hungry for hours. My allergist recommended an apple a day (varied) as good for asthma. Thailand just pulled Quaker Oats off the shelves due to glyphosate, really go organic there.

by Anonymousreply 13812/03/2017

The quality of the food you eat really matters too.

by Anonymousreply 13912/03/2017

My spouse is not overweight, works out 3x per week and doesn't smoke or drink. Yet he had a heart attack in his earlyn40s. His cardiologist says to only eat complex carbs but also limit saturated fat. Unsaturated fat is ok in moderation. Thoughts?

by Anonymousreply 14012/03/2017

Thoughts, R140?

Listen to the cardiologist who saw your husband through a heart attack and don't take advice from the internet.

by Anonymousreply 14112/03/2017

Sorry, R140. Hope he’s okay now. Sometimes it’s a defect or maybe genectics too. What was his diet like before?

by Anonymousreply 14212/03/2017

R140 here and we follow the cardiologist's advice. Pre heart attack his diet wasn't drastically different, perhaps ate more red meat (but only 2x per month) but now only has it once per year. I was seeking input but would of course check it with the cardiologist first.

by Anonymousreply 14312/03/2017

Did he carbs with the red meat? Dairy?

by Anonymousreply 14412/03/2017

R124, not true. Read Why We Get Fat.

by Anonymousreply 14512/03/2017

It's not rocket science

Fats make you feel full so you eat less overall.

I'd also recommend limiting the hours you eat. Try only eating between 10am and 6pm. If nothing else, you will sleep much better having not eaten for a few hours before you go to sleep.

by Anonymousreply 14612/03/2017

R140, how much sugar does he eat?

FYI, the average med student only gets about 7 hours of nutrition education. This per Dr Andrew Weil who finds the state of nutrition education for MDs appalling. Having an MD does NOT make you a nutrition expert in any way. Most of the nutrition education they receive is rehashed and now discredited Ancel Keyes horseshit, fake results from "Mediterranean Diet studies, and studies that were bankrolled by Procter and Gamble, Kraft, Nabisco, etc.

by Anonymousreply 14712/03/2017

R140 here again. He's lactose intolerant so dairy is low fat Greek yogurt without sugar 3x per week with Lactaid. Cheese is the vegan variety only occssionally. No butter; use Smart Balance instead. Sugar is very limited: no soda or sweets, only black coffee.

I was reading about Bob Harper's heart attack at age 51. My husband also had the widow maker and had 1 stent instead of 2. Genetics are obviously to blame.

by Anonymousreply 14812/03/2017

R140, is there heart disease in his family? You can only fight genetics so far, but diet/exercise can make a huge difference in delaying or lessening the effects of heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc.

For the longest time, comedians had a field day making fun of Jim Fixx, the runner who died of a heart attack in his 50s. But what they overlooked was the whole reason he started jogging and had quit smoking was because his father had died young after multiple heart attacks and he himself had an enlarged heart. He most likely prolonged his own life by a decade or more.

by Anonymousreply 14912/03/2017

[quote]dairy is low fat Greek yogurt without sugar 3x per week with Lactaid. Cheese is the vegan variety

Low fat is so high in sugar. Vegan cheese is soy based, no? Soy is not good for men.

by Anonymousreply 15012/03/2017

R140 again; there is heart disease on his maternal great aunts and uncles. He's taking meds prescribed by his cardiologist for blood pressure, blood thinning and cholesterol. We're trying to eat the right way (low/no sugar or dairy, no red meat, complex carbs in moderation) but it could always be improved with more vegetables and fruit. Obviously people eating lots of butter and other saturated fat have the genetic predisposition to handle it. My husband does not.

by Anonymousreply 15112/03/2017

[quote]We're trying to eat the right way (low/no sugar or dairy, no red meat, complex carbs in moderation

Good for you, you’re both on the right path. I would cut out the complex carbs, just do fruit and vegetables and lean meats and eggs (if you like eggs). That’s it. Boring, I know.

by Anonymousreply 15212/03/2017

No butter too. Use Olive oil. Avocado oil.

by Anonymousreply 15312/03/2017

[quote]would cut out the complex carbs

And, by this I mean no oatmeal, no “healthy” breads...nothing like that. Just fruit and vegetables.

by Anonymousreply 15412/03/2017

No butter? What’s wrong with butter? It’s a staple of the ketogenic diet.

by Anonymousreply 15512/03/2017

It’s dairy.

by Anonymousreply 15612/03/2017

My thought is that cardiologists do not have a consensus on your husband's cardiologist's advice, r140. Look at UK cardiologist Dr Aseem Malhotra's website, and his advice about saturated fat. Also Dr. William Davis, a US cardiologist, has his own opinion.

My guess, prior to reading r151, was that heart disease is a genetic link, to have an attack in one's early 40s. With genes like that I wonder if diet makes much of a difference.

by Anonymousreply 15712/03/2017

No lactaid. No juice. Just water.

by Anonymousreply 15812/03/2017

R156, where is this no dairy coming from? I don’t know how you get enough saturated fat to do a ketogenic diet without things like butter, heavy cream, sour cream, etc. Are we talking about the same thing?

by Anonymousreply 15912/03/2017

Check this out R159.

Datalounge has become a site that has drastically improved my eating habits. Even my bathing habits: no loofas.

by Anonymousreply 16012/03/2017

Search for Dr Robert Lustig videos on YouTube. He's an endocrinologist at UCSF.

by Anonymousreply 16112/03/2017

Varied plant based diet is the way to go, R151. Cut out processed foods, the chemicals cause inflammation which has a very strong link to heart disease. Yogurt is easy to make. Good olive oil is better than Smart Balance. High quality whole food, including wild caught salmon, will leave you feeling great. Read up on anti-inflammatory diet recommendations.

by Anonymousreply 16212/03/2017

Thanks for the input from R140. We love wild caught salmon! It's frustrating that even amongst cardiologists there's conflicting advice but we will stick with what ours tells us. Perhaps he can recommend a heart healthy cookbook.

by Anonymousreply 16312/03/2017

Some good advice here

by Anonymousreply 16412/03/2017

R151, avoid carageen, an ingredient in many "health" foods and dairy substitutes. There is a strong link to inflammation, a no-no for all but esp dangerous re heart disease.

A primarily organic plant based diet contains vitamins and minerals and healthy chemical compounds not found in butter and meat.

by Anonymousreply 16512/03/2017

Avoid soy and all GMO foods. They were modified to withstand up to 5x the application of glyphosate. The quality of your food is paramount.

by Anonymousreply 16612/03/2017

I find the two most useless pieces of advice when it comes to diets are "all things in moderation" and "calories in/calories out." Moderation isn't measurable. For example what is a moderate daily intake of water is not a moderate daily intake of bourbon. I'm not sure anyone would go on the record as to a moderate intake of Marlboro Lights. If they do let me know - I'll start smoking again.

Calories in/calories out ignores the ignores the basic fact that the human body is a system. Different functions interacting with each other. Are the proponents of this honestly suggesting a diet of olive oil only is the way to go as long as you keep the calorie intake inline?

R140 your cardiologist may well be doing a great job. My experience, in particular with my family and like many gay men my age with HIV/AIDS patients, is to use all health care professionals. As mentioned above your cardiologist may or may not have adequate training in nutrition science but most important does he/she have time? Get a referral to a nutritionist. They will spend valuable time with you and may well be running very helpful support groups.

For example my fathers cardiologist recommended he have chicken and fish instead of beef. Not bad advice, except what he and my mother did was resort to chicken and fish from the deli counter. Already prepared. Loaded with sodium. A nutritionist would go into more detail. I'm sure the cardiologist didn't have this in mind. But honestly he can spend time with my parents mapping out a weekly menu and grocery list.

Same is true with medication. If you are taking medication on a regular basis ask for a referral to a PharmD.

I'm all for giving up processed food. Pasta (white or whole wheat) is a processed food. Bread. Almost any sliced meat you get from a deli counter.

by Anonymousreply 16712/03/2017

No carbs.

No sugar.

No protein.

No food.

by Anonymousreply 16812/03/2017

Man can't live by butter alone. Most of your diet should be organic plants.

Lots of things sold as healthy are a scam.

Eat whole, home cooked food. Your health will thank you.

by Anonymousreply 16912/03/2017

Preach, R167!

I'm starting to get sick of the phrase "plant-based diet" too. It's almost as generic as "moderation."

by Anonymousreply 17012/03/2017

I Agree, fuck off with your "plant based diet". What are you eating for breakfast? a salad?

by Anonymousreply 17112/03/2017

Agree with R167. "Moderation" is meaningless. If you're used to downing a bag of potato chips without a second thought, half a bag is "moderation."

If you don't develop good eating habits super young, you're not going to suddenly know what to do. Many people are struggling to undo the harm of eating processed crap from a young age.

by Anonymousreply 17212/03/2017

I’m relieved I was raised by a health-obsessed parent.

by Anonymousreply 17312/03/2017


by Anonymousreply 17412/03/2017

R140, just nosy here. That is so young for a heart attack. Is there a family history? Is there an unusual risk factor, like hard-to-control cholesterol? Was his diet heavy on meat?

by Anonymousreply 17512/03/2017

I love the comment from the guy that weighs the same as in high school.

Good for you, but I'll bet your face looks like a shrunken zombie.

Like Zsa said, at someone point you have to choose the face or the ass.

And your balls are probably hanging to you knees.

by Anonymousreply 17612/03/2017

R176 = Fatsplaining

by Anonymousreply 17712/03/2017

He answered that, R175.

by Anonymousreply 17812/04/2017

To the person (or persons) doing Keto -- what do you eat at meals on a typical day?

by Anonymousreply 17912/04/2017

I am doing keto. I started 17 days ago and down from 231 to 220. The way i have been peeing I suspect a lot of it is water weight. A small back story is that I weighed about 50 pounds less a few years back. I gained the weight when I quit smoking. Meals are like this. For breakfast it is an omelette made with three eggs with celery and opinions cooked in olive oil. Then a bowl of Kirkland's mixed three berries. Lunch is a large slice of roast turkey, one hard boiled egg and an avocado. Dinner is a large plate of steamed vegetables flavored with butter. During the day I had a snack of a handful of almonds and some high fat yogurt with a few berries thrown in. The deal is too eat fat with every meal. So far it has been an easy diet to follow but I am very determined being I came back from Paris recently I had put on another 10 pounds. I haven't felt hungry or deprived on this diet.

by Anonymousreply 18012/04/2017

[quote] and opinions cooked in olive oil

Have you tried tossing some with a raw salad of remarks, comments and conjectures? I've read one should try for a rainbow of ideas to get as many nutrients as possible.

by Anonymousreply 18112/04/2017

I think the best diet is the blue zone diet. Which really stays away from a lot of animal protein, only a couple of times a week. Then again, I don't want to live until 110.

by Anonymousreply 18212/04/2017

That sounds more like a Paleo diet than keto, R180.

by Anonymousreply 18312/04/2017

R182 here, sorry I meant a couple of times a month.

by Anonymousreply 18412/04/2017

Yeah, keto is at least 70% fat, 25% protein and less than 30 grams of net carbs. Counting macronutrients is a heavy part of keto. I didn't do that consistently, so I tell people I kept my weight off, eliminated my metabolic disorder symptoms and reduced my triglycerides with LCHF. I'd go on a keto diet if I were in treatment for cancer. I know keto works, but if I found a lazier approach that does what I want it to, I'm more likely to stay with the lazier approach.

by Anonymousreply 18512/04/2017

There’s a ketogenic diet and then there’s putting your body into the state of ketosis. You don’t need keto to get into ketosis, especially if you’re carrying lots of bodyfat. But the more you slim down, the harder it gets to stay in ketosis and that’s when you’ll have to cut carbs more drastically and shift to a ketogenic diet if you want to continue seeing results.

Frankly if your body isn’t good with dairy then you should probably stay away from a ketogenic diet altogether.

by Anonymousreply 18612/04/2017

I've never understood these tedious diets. Just eat all the good stuff you want, and try to eat the bad stuff in moderation. Just don't deprive yourself. Food shouldn't be stressful.

If you do this and exercise, you'll be in good shape.

by Anonymousreply 18712/04/2017

Agree R187. These diets will kill your soul but then again, I am fortunate not to have a weight problem

by Anonymousreply 18812/04/2017

R71 where’s your proof dipshit.

by Anonymousreply 18912/04/2017

not so fast...

by Anonymousreply 19012/04/2017

[quote] I'm starting to get sick of the phrase "plant-based diet" too. It's almost as generic as "moderation."

I agree R170. For some reason we need to give diets a name. Usually they aren't very helpful. "Plant based" certainly does bring to mind salads.

As far as breakfast is concerned - steel cut oatmeal and fruit. I like tofu scramble. The thing about tofu is that it is just about flavor free. So pick your favorite combination of spices and the vegetables you might put an omelet. Depending of your fear of fat prepare with a little vegetable stock or oil. It's good. Benefit of both steel cut oatmeal and tofu scramble is that they freeze really well. Take a few minutes in microwave in the morning.

R190 - Did you read OP's link? You're posting information about the same observational study at OP did.

by Anonymousreply 19112/04/2017

Why rely on one observational study when there are many studies using controlled experiments? Atkins has been dead for years, Asprey is an entrepreneur. A good way to see how much evidence supports a low-carb, high-fat diet is to read the bibliographies of recent books published by doctors like Michael and Mary Dan Eads, Cate Shanahan, Nasha Winters and William Davis. The living physicians have more recent citations available. I went LCHF before learning of Atkins and Asprey.

Also, the "High Fat" in the headline is misguiding -- highly refined omega-6 oils from plants aren't healthful, and the low-processed omega-6 plant oils (virgin-pressed olives, walnuts, avocados) aren't metabolized in the same way as are the omega-3 animal fats found in wild-caught Alaskan salmon and the omega-3 oil from flax seed. Here's an abstract of a Journal of Clinical Medicine article published in 2016.

[bold]Potential Benefits of Omega-3 Fatty Acids in Non-Melanoma Skin Cancer.[/bold]

Considerable circumstantial evidence has accrued from both experimental animal and human clinical studies that support a role for omega-3 fatty acids (FA) in the prevention of non-melanoma skin cancer (NMSC). Direct evidence from animal studies has shown that omega-3 FA inhibit ultraviolet radiation (UVR) induced carcinogenic expression. In contrast, increasing levels of dietary omega-6 FA increase UVR carcinogenic expression, with respect to a shorter tumor latent period and increased tumor multiplicity. Both omega-6 and omega-3 FA are essential FA, necessary for normal growth and maintenance of health and although these two classes of FA exhibit only minor structural differences, these differences cause them to act significantly differently in the body. Omega-6 and omega-3 FA, metabolized through the lipoxygenase (LOX) and cyclooxygenase (COX) pathways, lead to differential metabolites that are influential in inflammatory and immune responses involved in carcinogenesis. Clinical studies have shown that omega-3 FA ingestion protects against UVR-induced genotoxicity, raises the UVR-mediated erythema threshold, reduces the level of pro-inflammatory and immunosuppressive prostaglandin E2 (PGE₂) in UVR-irradiated human skin, and appears to protect human skin from UVR-induced immune-suppression. Thus, there is considerable evidence that omega-3 FA supplementation might be beneficial in reducing the occurrence of NMSC, especially in those individuals who are at highest risk.

by Anonymousreply 19212/04/2017

Apple's are plant based.

Eating whole, high quality food, primarily veg and fruit is not a "diet" but a way to optimize your health and feel great. Veg and fruit (organic if possible) have phytochemicals that fight inflammation. Inflammation has been linked to heat disease, obesity, Parkinson's and even hair loss. Eat high quality, low on the food chain. Your wallet, health and waistline will thank you.

The chemicals added to processed foods, from herbicides to insecticides to preservatives to criticism will make you sick and fat and possibly worse.

by Anonymousreply 19312/04/2017

excitotoxins, not criticism, auto correct

Too much soy is not good for men.

by Anonymousreply 19412/04/2017


[quote] ...but I am very determined being I came back from Paris recently I had put on another 10 pounds.

by Anonymousreply 19512/04/2017

R191 yes I did. But my link is from pcrm and the org link is from pbs. And “plant based” is what people say who are in it for medical issues rather than for the animals. People generally say “plant based” so they don’t have to put up with all the assholes like r71. Easier for people to understand when talking to them or at restaurants if you say “vegan” rather than “plant based”.

by Anonymousreply 19612/04/2017

Eating plans from Weight Watchers to Volumetrics to Paleo to common sense put the focus on veg and fruit. PLANT BASED.

Quality matters as does eating whole, not processed foods. Food can be medicinal - it's the best way to lower inflammation and decrease health risks. Additives of all sorts may make you fat, bald, or prematurely dead. Vets are onto this, their go to for a pet with health issues is home cooked organic food. We can all benefit.

by Anonymousreply 19712/04/2017

Of course none of this matters if your thyroid or your hormones are fucked up and that’s part of the reason why you’re carrying so much weight. In fact any number of these diets could exacerbate the problem and make it worse—someone suffering from hypothyroidism, for example, shouldn’t be cutting carbs too low.

by Anonymousreply 19812/04/2017

IME, being vegan is more a philosophy than a commitment to healthy eating. I know some who subsist on beer, potato chips and GMO filled fake meats.

Careful with subbing broth for fat, broth, stock, bullion, canned soup, etc are very high in excitotoxins.

Eat high volume high quality food and you won't be hungry. Chemicals in processed foods drive hunger as does the poor nutritional profile. Meat and egg eaters, go for pasture raised, healthier nutrition profile and amazing taste!

by Anonymousreply 19912/04/2017

[quote] Careful with subbing broth for fat, broth, stock, bullion, canned soup, etc are very high in excitotoxins.

Commercial stock or broth you mean. Homemade stock made from the bones of non-factory-raised animals has a lot of amino acids, not so much excitotoxins.

by Anonymousreply 20012/04/2017

Exactly, R200, bone broth is great for joints too.

I'm the poster who started reacting to descriptions and I had to change my eating. I couldn't rotisserie chicken and was leery about cooking one. So easy! Stick in a pot in the oven. I froze bones but avoided homemade stock, put in a pot, add water, easy peasy. I eat paleoish with emphasis on veg. Weight has melted off. I do love baked oats packed with fruit and veg, steel cut oats with fruit and nuts, or overnight oats, avoid toothpaste and get organic.

Another great breakfast is pumpkin custard using 6 pasture raised eggs, grass fed or coconut milk and a tiny bit of maple syrup, along with vanilla and spices. Make ahead for the week.

by Anonymousreply 20112/04/2017

This is the best diet aid ever

by Anonymousreply 20212/04/2017

Followed by cake on a toilet on live tv...

by Anonymousreply 20312/04/2017

It's really important to find healthy food you enjoy and set aside 2 hours a week to do food prep and batch cook. There are so many recipes online, video tutorials, etc. You really will feel better and you will lose your taste for processed food pretty quickly. The $ savings is substantial and fun to repurpose. We all deserve better than to enrich Big Pharma for st.rooms caused by the chemicals in the food we eat.

When people ate whole foods, cooked at home, they were not fat and physical and mental health problems were not profitable industries.

by Anonymousreply 20412/04/2017

Share your tips for making bone broth, pretty pls? Do you use the stove or oven?

I'm not home for long stretches of time on weekends and was thinking of getting an Instant Pot in part to make bone broth. Hear you can go from bones in the freezer to broth pretty quickly.

by Anonymousreply 20512/04/2017

1 cup organic chicken chicken broth

2 scoops Bulleproof Collagen Protein Powder

Himalayan sea salt, fresh ground pepper and fresh chopped dill to taste.

Combine all ingredient in microwave-safe mug

Zap on high for 80 seconds

Stir and let cool for 30 seconds


by Anonymousreply 20612/04/2017

[QUOTE]It's really important to find healthy food you enjoy and set aside 2 hours a week to do food prep and batch cook.

Who the hell has the time for all that?

by Anonymousreply 20712/04/2017

You cook once, not multiple times during the week. You can do other stuff while the food is cooking. The prep for 18 meals is around 30 min, then the food is in the oven or whatever. I don't like to take super long breaks at work, so bringing food a lot saves time and money and is healthier. I lost a lot of weight without really trying. Seems like a good investment of minimal time to me.

by Anonymousreply 20812/04/2017

Sharing bone stock preparation and a sequence of recipes, at the request of r205

I haven't tried it yet, but I have read a slow cooker can produce bone stock. I prepare bone stock in a stock pot, over a stove, as follows:

[bold]Bone stock[/bold]

1. Stock will taste richer if the bones are roasted first. You can either roast a whole chicken, use a rotisserie roast from a supermarket, or buy a whole chicken or chicken backs from an Asian market. When I plan for beef stock I buy beef bones from an Asian market.

2. Chop up three peeled carrots, three washed celery sticks, and two medium-size (or 1 large) onions

3. Add enough filtered or distilled water to cover the bones in a pot or slow cooker. The water should leave only 1.5" space from the top. For each pound of bones used add 2 tablespoons of vinegar (I use Bragg's Organic Apple Cider Vinegar) to the bones and water. Add the chopped carrots celery and onion(s) to the pot or slow cooker. Let sit for 30 minutes to an hour.

4. If using a slow cooker, set it for four hours, and cover. If using a stove, set the burner heat to High so the water can roll to a boil. Once it's boiling, skim any scum from the top, reduce to a slow simmer (on my gas range I have the burner setting around 3-4), cover, and leave it alone for at least 8 hours and up to 48 hours. The longer you leave the stock, the higher concentration of amino acids it will have.

The slow cooker will enter a keep warm setting once it's done cooking, so morning is a good time to prep the broth.

In the last ten minutes, put in a few sprigs of parsley to cook for 10 minutes. For a slow cooker, an option is to put in some dulse, a seaweed, to add iodine to the broth. If I make beef broth, I save the bones for a dog I'm friendly to; otherwise I put out all the bones and vegetables for the corvids.

Put in freezer-safe food storage containers and label.

by Anonymousreply 20912/04/2017

[bold]Bone Stock Bloody Mary[/bold]

1.5 oz Vodka

2.5 oz Beef stock

Juice of 1 lemon wedge

2 dashes Worcestershire sauce

2 dashes Tabasco sauce

Freshly ground pepper

Shake the vodka, stock, lemon juice, Worcestershire sauce, and Tabasco sauce. with ice, then strain into an oldfashioned glass full of fresh ice. Garnish into a full twist of fresh black pepper.

by Anonymousreply 21012/04/2017

[bold]Chicken Stock Pick-Me-Up[/bold]

third in a series of stock recipes for r205

1 cup homemade chicken stock

1/4 tsp ground gingre

1/4 tsp sea salt

1 Tbsp molasses

1 Tbsp coconut oil

1/4 tsp tumeric

Combine the turmeric, salt, ginger, molasses, and coconut oil in a mug. In a small saucepan, bring the broth to a boil and pour it into the mug. Stir to mix well and dissolve the seasonings and serve.

by Anonymousreply 21112/04/2017

R4, sorry but science trumps YOUR "common sense."

by Anonymousreply 21212/04/2017

I am sure having a hard time affording the organic food at the grocery store. Any one want to sponsor an old guy?

by Anonymousreply 21312/04/2017

Little Debbie snack cakes are plant-based.

by Anonymousreply 21412/04/2017

Aldes and Trader Joe's are cheaper, as is farmers market before close.

Spend $ on Big Pharma or on quality food - your choice.

by Anonymousreply 21512/04/2017

Please tell me your weekly grocery bill if you are buying only organic.

by Anonymousreply 21612/04/2017

R13, the hysteria over GMOs and the obsession with organic is utter crap.

Keto works. It's easy. If anyone is interested in having more energy, better sleep and better sex, mental clarity and a better body, get into keto and intermittent fasting. is a great place to start. Also, find the BBC Horizons episode about fasting--it'll change your life

Don't listen to the low energy vegans with moobs. Don't be a soy boy, be a man.

Also, an Instant Pot will give you a quick, tasty bone broth.

Oh, and most people lose 10 pounds of water weight in their first week of keto.

by Anonymousreply 21712/04/2017

Typically around $50 per week, that is veg, fruit, meat and eggs at a market. Once a month or so I go to TJ for oats, coffee, paper goods. That is a fraction of what I used to spend ordering out , not even counting lunches.

by Anonymousreply 21812/04/2017


by Anonymousreply 219Last Tuesday at 3:28 AM

20 days on keto and I went from 231 to 219. I doubt keto is the only diet that can do that but it sure seems to be working for me. Just kill those carbs guys!

by Anonymousreply 220Last Thursday at 6:49 AM

[quote] This is the best diet aid ever

Ee-yikes. If I wasn't already gay, that would have done the trick.

by Anonymousreply 221Last Thursday at 6:53 AM

r220 Good stuff! I bet you don't feel deprived at all and you don't have cravings either.

by Anonymousreply 222Last Thursday at 7:18 AM

I was 220 at the beginning of the year. Yesterday I was down to 186. Keto is the real deal, folks!

by Anonymousreply 223Last Thursday at 7:27 AM

Eating all that butter at first was spooky after being told for years not to eat it but I swallow it by the stick now or almost. It has been a real easy diet to follow and I don't feel deprived.

by Anonymousreply 224Last Thursday at 7:53 AM

I inserted my penis into a jelly doughnut and promptly gained 11.5 pounds

by Anonymousreply 225Last Thursday at 7:58 AM

I eat mascarpone the way I used to eat frosting out of the can.

by Anonymousreply 226Last Thursday at 8:14 AM

That wasn't a humblebrag r195, that is your own defensiveness speaking.

by Anonymousreply 227Last Thursday at 8:56 AM

I just spread a tablespoon of mayonnaise over a big slice of turkey and called it lunch. I had forgotten what mayonnaise tasted like.

by Anonymousreply 228Last Thursday at 11:43 AM

Check the ingredients of that mayonnaise, R228. If it has canola oil, then you're in deep shit.

by Anonymousreply 229Last Thursday at 11:45 AM

I tossed the Canola.

by Anonymousreply 230Last Thursday at 11:56 AM

My mayonnaise was made from avocado oil. It is 8 bucks a bottle so I will not be drinking it.

by Anonymousreply 231Last Thursday at 12:05 PM

The longest lives societies in the world eat carbs: Okinawa, Japan and Sardinia, Italy. And they don't fucking eat sticks of butter.

What they don't eat are processed foods and junk and sugary crap. They eat meat, fish, dairy, fruit, vegetables, animal fats, beans, olive oil.

by Anonymousreply 232Last Thursday at 12:16 PM

Have at it then R232. Enjoy!

by Anonymousreply 233Last Thursday at 12:22 PM

I lost weight n ket but started craving pizza and pasta. There are really no good alternatives to those.

by Anonymousreply 234Last Thursday at 12:28 PM

The people of Sardinia and Okinawa don't live so long because of their diet. It is all about their chain smoking.

by Anonymousreply 235Last Thursday at 2:24 PM

I switched to a plant based diet. Dropping a pound a week counting calories. Started last June and I am in the mid 180s. Down from 220.

Just like R223, Mr Keto, in half the time

by Anonymousreply 236Last Thursday at 2:50 PM

I about to eat pizza right now. Fuck this.

by Anonymousreply 237Last Thursday at 2:55 PM

R236 do you practice intermittent fasting at all?

by Anonymousreply 238Last Thursday at 3:04 PM

Advice from the Time-Traveling Dietician:

by Anonymousreply 239Last Thursday at 6:40 PM

For those not using canola oil, what do you use for baking and roasting?

I'm considering using extra virgin olive oil for baking and roasting but only at 350 degrees because of its smoke point.

by Anonymousreply 240a day ago

These days I cook with olive oil, coconut oil and duck fat. Leaf lard is hard to find but it's better than hydrogenated lard.

by Anonymousreply 241a day ago

The good thing about eating healthy and avoiding most dairy and grains is that in time your body becomes used to it and stops craving those things to the point where your stomach is definitely unhappy about receiving a slice of pizza.

by Anonymousreply 242a day ago

R240 - I use olive oil or ghee. I have to be honest I'm not a very sophisticated cook - so the idea of smoking point is meaningless to me.

by Anonymousreply 243a day ago
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