Sharon Stone in Casino

Ever since I saw "Bobby" several years ago, I've thought she should have been nominated for Best Supporting Actress for it. She is pretty dang good in that movie.

Haven't seen either again in years, but at the time I preferred CASINO over GOODFELLAS, almost entirely because of Stone. She was otherworldly, electric.

It wasn't really overlooked. She got an Oscar nomination and a Golden Globe for it.

R5 she should have got the Oscar

I disagree with OP's premise. She was great in Casino, but like a poster wrote above, got an oscar nomination, and upon winning the Golden Globe, claimed it was "a miracle". She was not underrated.

However, very few know of her performance in Irreconcilable Differences. That one was overlooked and underrated.

R7 there is a Confederate Flag in that clip. It should be removed from YouTube.

the year she lost for Casino was the year that Sarandon finally won on her fifth try. She was nominated like four times in the early nineties so I guess she was due. Stone beat her at the Globes though.

Where Stone really was robbed was for Basic Instinct. I'm sure the explicit sex and violence turned a lot of voters off (and some on!) but she really was the ultimate Hitchcock blonde femme-fatale.

Even the actually Hitchcock blondes weren't as good as Stone was in that film

R8 LMAO

Loved this movie and Sharon in it. One of my favorites.

I have watched Casino more than a few times. Stone is amazing and that movie looks alive. It's a very true story, so maybe that helps. I don't think that Stone was underrated, but she wasn't ever fully accepted. Was it because she came to stardom late or was she judged for the "shocking" sex of Basic Instinct? Her reviews for Casino were nice but not as great as she deserved. I never heard a lot of casting couch rumors about her, not that should matter but it does if you don't get your big breaks until well in your thirties. I don't know why but it felt like she was looked down on. Slut shamed for a movie role. Kinda pisses me off. She was great fun in Total Recall too. Of course there are plenty of rumours that she is crazy as hell. Good on Scorsese for giving her the great role of Ginger. Stone is a beauty who isn't vain and that's a cool thing. She had a few other good turns but not many other good films.

I haven't seen it in a long time, but I kind of remember thinking she was just okay in the role. And I like her a lot. I think it could've been her wardrobe and hair too...

Stone has always been a very erratic performer. On occasion she could deliver a strong performance (CASINO, LAST DANCE), but she's not all that impressive (outside of her looks and presence) in many other films (like QUICK AND THE DEAD, the awful remakes of DIABOLiQUE and GLORIA). She's a lot of fun in BASIC INSTINCT, but the film is so trashy (in a semi-good way) that there was no way she'd be nominated for anything - the film is just a couple of notches higher than SHOWGIRLS.

She has had rumors of erratic behavior. The whole thing where she seemed to back down from her nude scene in Basic Instinct saying she was tricked into doing it seemed like a lie and I don't know what happened but she lost custody of her first child to her one husband who was the head of some San Fran. newspaper.

I always wondered why Scorsese changed the names of the characters in Casino and Goodfellas. The stories had been out there for quite some time, everybody knew who was who in the books on which they were based.

From IMDb:

[quote]Nicole Kidman, Melanie Griffith, Rene Russo, Cameron Diaz, Uma Thurman and Michelle Pfeiffer were considered for the role of Ginger. Traci Lords was seriously considered after an excellent audition. Madonna was almost cast, but Sharon Stone convinced director Martin Scorsese to give her the role.

Kidman can be brilliant at times, so that may have been an interesting choice. Griffith would have been a disaster. Russo is too flat and dull. Not sure Diaz could handle a role like this, but then again who knew Stone could have. Thurman....possibly. Pfeiffer had already played the part in Scarface, sort of, but she would have been amazing. Traci Lords....LOL. Madonna? Holy fucking jeebus.

R19 What about Whoopi Goldberg or Queen Latifah?

She's a little OTT -- not much nuance in the role. Was the deniro character supposed to love her? Because I can't see how anybody could fall in love with someone like that (at least as played by SS).

Russo was never in serious roles, just crap like Get Shorty. And she was already old as the hills in 1995. What were they thinking.

Traci Lords would have been interesting. Scorcese would have gotten a good performance out of her, but it would have taken a lot of work. She's a really bad actress, still she would have been interesting.

Sharon has always seemed to me like she's never heard of the word, "subtle."

Stone was excellent in "Casino" (Scorsese have her a true movie star intro, and she rose to the occasion throughout) but most of her other post-"Basic Instinct"'films were so unmemorable.

And speaking of unmemorable -- Rene Russo?! She barely distinguished herself in the bland girlfriend roles she typically played, can't imagine her in "Casino"!

Too bad Dunst was too young for this role at this time. She would have killed it.

Stones role in casino reminds me of a lot of white woman in America. Pill poppers and just inherently trashy. Her character would have definitely been a TRUMP supporter.

She needs another decent role, but I doubt she will get much opportunity...

She should do an indie or something.

That would have been amazing r26.

R6 actually Elisabeth Shue should have won. Much deeper more sophisticated work than Stone's coked up whore outbursts in Casino.

Actually, I think she wouldn't be bad doing comedy, if she wants to stage a comeback. I mentioned on a different thread that I quite liked her in "The Muse" and she had a pretty funny guest appearance on W&G. If Portia de Rossi could do it, I think Sharon might be able to as well.

[quote' I always wondered why Scorsese changed the names of the characters in Casino and Goodfellas. The stories had been out there for quite some time, everybody knew who was who in the books on which they were based.

Enlighten us, R18.

[quote]Enlighten us

In "Goodfellas" ("Wiseguy" by Nicholas PIleggi), Jimmy "The Gent" Conway was actually Jimmy Burke. Tommy DeVito was Tommy DeSimone. Paulie Cicero was Paul Vario. In "Casino" ("Casino: Love and Honor in Las Vegas", same author), Sam "Ace" Rothstein was Frank "Lefty" Rosenthal. Nicky Santoro was Anthony Spilotro. Ginger McKenna was Geri McGee. Scorsese wasn't trying to present either as a work of fiction. Changing the names of the people in the stories just made no sense to me.

The craziest, Borderline Bitch performance to ever grace the silver screen!

Anyone watching Sharon Stone in HBO's Mosaic?

She's acting the same -- famous woman who used to be young and beautiful but now is a bitter, crazy bitch. She's good at acting crazy.

Why does Sharon Stone wear her hair like that? It makes her look older.

I agree OP I love her in this movie and overall I'm not a big Sharon Stone fan.

CASINO was one of the most grating and annoying movies I ever encountered. Unbearable.

R36 link is a DOWNLOAD!

Is it really “acting” for Sharon Stone to portray a crazy bitch??

R40 not a crazy bitch, but the craziest bitch. Real life Sharon has a 'Sliver' of self-awareness, but not Sharon in Casino.

Seriously one of the greatest performances of all time. You really believed she was the character and isn't that the goal of all Actors?

[quote] Sam "Ace" Rothstein was Frank "Lefty" Rosenthal. Nicky Santoro was Anthony Spilotro. Ginger McKenna was Geri McGee.

And it goes onward. The mafia-owned "Senator" was Harry Reid. The dialogue in the gaming license hearing was Reid's own words from the official transcript.

Allen Glick was the frontman who bough the Stardust on behalf of the mob, and rolled over on everybody.

The real life Anna Scott, Tamara Rand, was murdered in the kitchen of her San Diego home. She was shot on November 9, 1975 soon after having loan issues with her mob tied business partner, Allen Glick.

Alan King's murdered Teamster official was Alan Dorfman.

and so on.

The real "Ginger". I can see Traci Lord working in the part.

Casino is not a great movie - it's the one where Scorsese fully crossed the line into mafiaporn and testing audience patience. Stone is great and at times stunning in it. I wouldn't call her a crazy bitch though. Deniro and Pesci and I forget who played her ex boyfriend were all crazy bitches. All the men in Scorsese films are crazy bitches too. Stone has a higher pitched voice and no power for most of the movie. She was desperate and greedy and immoral and addicted. Not a crazy bitch by the standard of these films. Was there a better portrayal of womanhood in the movie that wasn't Scorsese's mother? He's a misogynist putz. We often don't notice it because his characters are all so colorful. But the women are always given the worst fates. The men die "noble" brutal deaths, sometimes comedic. His wised up women characters always self destruct as a result of the LOSS of some man. His love or protection are seen as the same thing. Still Sharon Stone is a fucked up beautiful delight to watch in Casino. Crazy is not the first word that comes to mind.

Scorsese is sicker than Woody Allen could ever be.

Her B acting always stinks

R44 I really appreciate your analysis. Yes, but in her crazy moments, she is truly deranged and the pendulum of the performance is what I love.

At least she was in contention for Lead and not in the "safer" category of Supporting.

((cough))Viola((cough))

R47 well....she's white

I like saying crazy bitch as much as anyone. But that's not how I would sum up the character of Ginger R46. Pesci always played "crazy bitches" for Scorsese and so did Deniro. They weren't sociopaths, they had too many ordinary human traits and feelings. But the domestic kind of vengeful brutality continuously depicted in Casino is crazy bitch work, a woman just doesn't often put her hands on it. I love some stylized dark shit where it all comes down, but I can't put a checkmark beside this film. I was only 20 when I saw Casino but after The Departed I could watch no more of Scorsese. He's a pornographer. Stone doesn't look young or luxe in the film. But Deniro does in his pastel blazers and ordinary husband foot stamping frustrations. He's some crazy bitch when it comes to her. But hell yes, Stone was deranged by the end. I believed her all the way through as written, directed and performed. But I think the whole part is a hateful mistake, like Ann-Margret in Carnal Knowledge. Ginger's real story is more complex. Words matter.

[quote]Madonna was almost cast, but Sharon Stone convinced director Martin Scorsese to give her the role.

That must be why Madonna used to hate Stone so much and make a point of expressing her hate.

I remember reading an interview with Stone where she brought it up and said she had no idea why Madonna hates her so. The interviewer said it was because Stone pulled off the kind of performance in Basic Instinct that Madonna had always aspired to but could never quite pull off.

Stone should have been nominated for Instinct. She was quite good but the crotch scene stole all the press. That was kind of a weak year for Best Actress nominees. She should have got Catherine Denuve's slot. (so to speak.)

[quote]One of the most underrated and overlooked performances in the History of Cinema.

Please, she was average at best. Loved her in Basic Instinct, though.

She ludicrously overacts in every scene on this thread.

Should have shown her pussy if she expected to win an Oscar for this role.

You should cover up it you hope to continue being employed R53.

I loved Stone in Basic Instinct, but she was mediocre in everything else she was in -- incuding Casino.

R50 Everyone always forgets Madonna HAD her moment in Desperately Seeking Susan. The movie was a big hit, her performance was praised by critics, she was sexy/cool. She didn't have to show her pussy, although she was basically topless with a see through bra on.

*if

And there is only so much you can say bout Sharon Stone in Casino. Her beauty gets her talked about. She's fucking lucky to have become famous in the 1990s because she got rich. Filthy rich for no good reason.

Plus, Madonna had just been in Dangerous Game, another performance which seemed to go over well. She looked gorgeous, and was playing a very troubled woman. If she could have carried some of that over, I think she could have been good in Casino.

Stone was too over the top in this, I did not find her convincing.

I can explain why the names are changed.

I think this is the case for both Goodfellas and casino but I’ve never read the book of Goodfellas. The book uses real name is because it is a work of nonfiction. The movie is a movie. It uses many elements from the book but By changing the names, it provided the writer and director with more creative license and perhaps protected the studio from lawsuits because anybody who is still alive can sue if they don’t like their depiction and their real name is used. Where as you can say or do whatever you want with people or a dad but I think in some ways it was done to also respect the book and the insane amount of research that went into it. It was a very specific situation because you had A journalist writing the book was also functioning as a screenwriter on the movie. That doesn’t usually happen.

I am aware of all that R58. So how did Scorsese make the real story all so pastel junkine meat saw overdose pastel shovel car on fire bloody unbelievable? He jumped his own mob love shark on Casino. It looks nice but doesn't come together like Boogie Nights or Magnolia. Sharon Stone's later day looks are insulting to the audience. BAD WIGS and too much tackiness. Don't wink at the timeframe and your regret for doing SO much cocaine and hanging out with hookers and bad guys. This is Scorsese's unaware excuse movie. The longer it lives, the worse it seems. I bet he knows it too. He's not indicting these real life players - other than Ginger the whore. He's mourning them and himself.

[quote] overdose pastel shovel car on fire bloody unbelievable?

Contemporary news accounts indicate it wouldn't have been too far off, except the real Lefty was wearing a blue jogging suit instead of DeNiro's peach tie, orange sports coat, and white trousers.

"I ran outside, and the parking lot was mobbed with cars," Lawry said. "Rosenthal's car shot right up in the air and flames went about two stories in the air."

Lori Wardle, a cashier at Marie Calender, said the blast was enormous.

"It was a huge explosion," she said. "It blew the windows out of the back of the restaurant."

I always look forward to Sharon's driving scenes in Casino. Brillisnt, terrifying, entirely believable. She's got a handle on anguish snd she deserved the Oscar, difficult bitch that she is.

Stone was also good in Diabolique.

Yip, she was terrific - in what was a terrific and frankly underrated Scorsese film.

Oh, and Scorsese makes "mafia porn," does he? LOL...I am not even a huge fan of the man's work, but that is just typical DL hyperbole right there...sheesh!

Yip, how old are you? Imma guess about 68? Jackson did do Hobbit Porn for sure. Terrible films though. Porn means it's become perverted and cheap, exploitive and a presentation of false glories. I am not the only reviewer to suggest that Scorsese enjoys his wiseguys and their cruelty just a little bit more than what's required. Casino was pastel porn. With a happy ending! I understand it's mostly true, but quite falsely glorified. Cocaine is a wonderful drug. But it will tell on you.

[quote] I understand it's mostly true, but quite falsely glorified.

Glorified is an interesting word choice.