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TNG, DS9,, Voyager or Enterprise?

Best overall series? Best captain? Best individual episode?

by Anonymousreply 98February 7, 2019 2:39 PM

We've done this before

by Anonymousreply 1August 15, 2017 1:29 AM

Riker was the hottest. Frakes had a great ass

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by Anonymousreply 2August 15, 2017 1:35 AM

TNG was the best. It didn't hold up well to time, though.

by Anonymousreply 3August 15, 2017 1:42 AM

Imzadi!!!!

by Anonymousreply 4August 16, 2017 5:17 AM

Voyager for best series = best special effects, ship, scripts, cast & premise.

Best Captain was Picard by a hair.

Best episode was the final 2 parter of DS9.

Enterprise had sadly nothing to offer me as a fan of the Trek universe.

by Anonymousreply 5August 17, 2017 1:14 AM

Best series: DS9.

Best captain: Picard , though Janeway deserves a lot of love.

Best episode: Duets.

by Anonymousreply 6August 17, 2017 1:43 AM

bump

by Anonymousreply 7August 17, 2017 12:29 PM

I wish I could have been trapped in the Delta Quadrant with Icheb sitting on my face as he regenerated.

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by Anonymousreply 8August 17, 2017 12:39 PM

It's too bad Frakes grew the beard. His cleft chin was hot.

by Anonymousreply 9August 17, 2017 12:43 PM

We're just gonna tear each other apart all over again, but whatever.

Best series: Voyager

Best captain: Kathryn Janeway

Best episode: Latent Image

R2 Christ, that looks awful. I can't believe they got away with those production values back in the day. It does make for campy fun, though.

R8 I, too, wanted to charge him up with my loads.

by Anonymousreply 10August 17, 2017 12:46 PM

TNG for the series.

Original cast for the movies.

by Anonymousreply 11August 17, 2017 12:51 PM

Voyager seems to have held up a little better, but of course it was filmed more recently than TNG. At the time, I loved TNG and sometimes Voyager plots seemed a bit too "lucky" at times (the Borg or Species 8472 should've killed them... or the Hirojan or so many others). TNG was more of a morality play (every episode) than voyager. Voy got a shot of adrenaline with 7 of 9...and many plots with her that wouldn't have happened anyway. I guess she was the straight version of Riker, who I was also obsessed with & seems to be a common theme among anyone growing up in the 90s.

I liked Enterprise a lot, and they didn't magically fix the whole ship at the start of every episode or have translation abilities for every species. Trip Tucker was a great character (and very cute actor). The Xindi season was too long, though. They overdid that whole thing...and sacrificed what could've been more interesting one-off stories....though the final season was a bit of a mess (starting with the crazy alien nazis...wtf). Hated the ending.

I never got into DS9 really. Or TOS.

by Anonymousreply 12August 17, 2017 12:53 PM

Best series: TNG (but the early seasons were real clunkers).

Best captain: Picard

Best episode: Best of Both Worlds (TNG) although Scorpion (VOY), City on the Edge of Forever (TOS), and The Visitor (DS9) are very close.

by Anonymousreply 13August 17, 2017 1:01 PM

Best Series: DS9

Best Captain: Janeway

Best Episode: Face of the Enemy (what else could it be???)

by Anonymousreply 14August 17, 2017 1:04 PM

[quote]Best Episode: Face of the Enemy (what else could it be???)

I will have you ejected into space for that.

by Anonymousreply 15August 17, 2017 1:13 PM

Worst crew members = tie between Wesley (his sweater outfit LOL) & Jordi (that visor was so dumb to wear all of those episodes LOL)

by Anonymousreply 16January 26, 2019 4:13 AM

Best Series: DS9

Best Captain: Picard

Best Episode: "In the Pale Moonlight"

by Anonymousreply 17January 26, 2019 4:17 AM

Best series: TNG

Best captain: Kirk

Best episode: "Journey to Babel"

by Anonymousreply 18January 26, 2019 4:21 AM

Voyager and Janeway for the win.

DS9 is boring until you watch it.

TNG and Picard/Borg are iconic.

Enterprise meh.

by Anonymousreply 19January 26, 2019 4:42 AM

LOVE LOVE LOVE ME SOME CAPTAIN JANEWAY! And Seven of Nine, Tertiary Adjunct of Unimatrix 01 was hot as HELL!

by Anonymousreply 20January 26, 2019 4:44 AM

Enterprise would have been good if set post-Voyager; I didn't like all the retcons, and also the fact that we know where the story goes. What's the point? I liked the Xindi and the Suliban. I like single time travel episodes, but the, 'temporal cold War' was just too much. Best Episode, for me, was 'Twilight'. It was a shock seeing Earth destroyed. Archer was fine.

TOS is just iconic; for Star Trek, the genre and in pop culture.

TNG was really great, I hated Q, there and on Voyager. Picard I loved.

DS9, I liked it. I liked the characters on DS9, more than any other series. That includes villains, heroes and ancillary characters. I hated Bashir. I liked the episode with the Cardassian who was a file clerk, but claiming to be a labour camp overseer. I loved Sisko.

Voyager was great. But they took a wonderful idea, and wrote it mediocre in practically every way. The ship, the characters, the alien species. I liked the Vidiians, there was something so unnerving about them and their methods, but you sympathised with them. Hated the whole Hirogen/hologram conflic. I loved Janeway, and the way stuck to Federation principles with such zeal. I'm still ambivalent about the Borg and Species 8472.

I like STD as well, but again, why a prequel series? I love Michelle Yeoh, as the Emperor.

by Anonymousreply 21January 26, 2019 5:01 AM

I really loved Voyager, especially after Jeri Ryan came on.

by Anonymousreply 22January 26, 2019 5:03 AM

Best captain: Picard Best series. DS 9. I loved all the complicated story lines, and the auxiliary characters like Garak, plain and simple, and Weyoun. And (hiding my head in shame) I really liked the Ferengi story lines. Best episodes Pale by Moonlight; Tapestry: Best of Both Worlds.

by Anonymousreply 23January 26, 2019 5:12 AM

In my heart I want it to be the original series. If I'm honest though it's Voyager. I loved TNG when it was on but I can't watch it now. Enterprise was awesome its first couple of seasons but then it just derailed completely. The NAZI thing? EEK!

by Anonymousreply 24January 26, 2019 5:16 AM

It's TNG, Picard and Best of Both Worlds for me. I like Voyager too but TNG was on in my teens and is the only series I watched all the way through.

At the time, it fit that post-Cold War the-world-will-get-better mood, but most episodes are badly dated. Interestingly, I recently watched the first season and its campiness made it pretty watchable. I find Data completely irritating now.

I didn't get far with DS9 as I didn't like that the action came to them rather than them flying around space. But I do agree it's probably the most mature of the series. Voyager had a great premise and Janeway was awesome but I'd moved on a bit from sci-fi by the time it aired.

by Anonymousreply 25January 26, 2019 6:55 AM

Warp 10 bump.

by Anonymousreply 26January 26, 2019 7:58 PM

Best Series: TNG

Best Series *That Actually Holds Up Well: Voyager

Best Captain: Picard but as someone else said, Janeway deserves a lot of love.

Best Episode: There were so many but personally I loved, "Cost of Living" from TNG. Partly because of Majel Barrett and because I ended up watching it at a time when I needed to in my life. That brief monologue, "Every one of us has a thousand different kinds of little people inside of us. And some of them want to get out and be wild, and some want to be sad or happy or inventive or even just go dancing. That's why we all have so many different urges at different times. And all those different little people inside of us we must never be afraid to take them with us, wherever we go," stuck with me. (It was my birthday, of course!)

Also any episode where Q and Janeway interacted. I loved those two as a pair more than I loved Picard and Q.

by Anonymousreply 27January 26, 2019 8:11 PM

When they originally aired, I would say TNG was the best but Voyager has held up much better, and I don't think it's only because of it being filmed later. I think the cast was just more interesting, except Harry Kim who should have been killed off. I also didn't like the romances they ended up with on Voyager but at least there were some human relationships beyond Riker fucking Troi on occasion and the puke inducing Troi/Worf crap. I always wanted to like DS9 but it went off into the ether too much after the first season or two.

I love Janeway. Kirk and Picard are tied for second. Sisko was ridiculously overacted. Don't even remember the name of Bakula's character.

Best episode was Year of Hell 1 & 2. That episode is what the entire show should have been it into two hours. The ship getting more and more broken down. Running out of rations and equipment. People dying and getting severely injured without the magic doctor to fix everything. You know, consequences of their actions that didn't get reset. Plus, time travel!

I also loved Night from Voyager. Janeway suffering a severe depressive episode while Voyager is trapped for weeks in a starless void in space was impressively deep and well-acted. Someone hug her, damnit! I guess that's what fanfic is for, right?

I also liked the TNG episode Chain of Command where Picard is tortured. I've never forgotten the four/five lights thing or the ending where he admitted to Troi that, after the torture, he had actually started to see five lights even when there were only four. Very moving and human. I guess I liked the episodes that delved more deeply into the recesses of the human condition.

Haven't seen Discovery yet. Doesn't seem very Trek-like in the parts I've seen. Too cold. We'll see.

by Anonymousreply 28January 26, 2019 8:15 PM

R28, Discovery season 1 is like a self contained, super sized movie.

It's very watchable if you set aside everything you've seen in previous Treks.

S2 seems to have scaled that aspect down a bit. The last episode was very classic TNG and I hope they have more of those.

R8, and yes. I had a thing for Icheb and the actor was in his early 20s at the time so I don't feel bad about saying that. The adult actor seems to have grown into a very "interesting" person.

by Anonymousreply 29January 26, 2019 8:28 PM

R28, I forgot about the night aliens. They had my favourite ship design out of all of Star Trek!

by Anonymousreply 30January 27, 2019 4:46 AM

I loved Voyager.

by Anonymousreply 31January 27, 2019 4:47 AM

Best episode of all the series was DS9's Trials and Tribble-ations.

by Anonymousreply 32January 27, 2019 4:49 AM

I loved Q Jr.

by Anonymousreply 33January 27, 2019 6:20 AM

I thought Nog (Aron Eienberg) had cute arms. Especially when he played a young kazon on Voyager

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by Anonymousreply 34January 27, 2019 6:23 AM

Enterprise was my favorite.

by Anonymousreply 35January 27, 2019 6:34 AM

My favorites of Voyager are when the aliens were conducting experiments on the crew, when they were caught in the void and relied on those critters who learned music to communicate, music again.....when the highly advanced aliens fall in love with Picard's voice...Hell there's just so many outstanding episodes of Voyager. I also loved the episode of the war memorial when they fly close by to a planet they get memories of the war that went on there. Yeah voyager was the best.....

by Anonymousreply 36January 27, 2019 6:36 AM

I enjoyed TNG growing up, but I agree that Voyager's consistently held up better.

I'll always love Picard because of TNG and Stewart's acting, but Janeway surprised the hell out of me. I didn't want to like her, but I did. I tried hard not to like her. But I did. I thought I'd like Archer, and he was annoying.

Trip Tucker was the sexiest member. I used to think Ryker was a hot daddy and Wesley Crusher bf material (I was in HS at the time) but Tucker's accent and personality were more interesting, more reminiscent of Kirk.

My favorite episode's always been The Trouble With Tribbles from TOS. But I didn't know Tribbles reappeared in DS9's episode mentioned by R32. So I'll have to watch it.

by Anonymousreply 37January 27, 2019 6:37 AM

I think Captain Janeway was the best captain overall, just in terms of sheer competence. Star Trek: The Next Generation was the best series. I am a big fan of Star Trek Discovery, the first season was the best since the Original Series. As the series grows and develops it was just get better and better and better. Sonequa Martin-Green is absolutely wonderful.

by Anonymousreply 38January 27, 2019 6:42 AM

r37 I agree with you that Trip Tucker was very sexy, but he had trouble keeping his weight down in the later seasons. There also seemed to be some problems with his complexion. I wish they had put as much time and effort into his makeup as they did on that anorexic bimbo. It seems likes it's hard for straight producers and executives to remember that not everyone is turned on by the same stuff that they are.

by Anonymousreply 39January 27, 2019 6:47 AM

THE NEXT GENERATION, obviously. Best episode: "Cause and Effect", where the Enterprise gets stuck in a time warp and Data is the only one who can figure out how to get them out. Brilliant episode.

Runner ups: "The Best of Both Worlds" and the moving, powerful 2-part finale, "All Good Things."

by Anonymousreply 40January 27, 2019 6:49 AM

R39 I must have only watched the first season or two of Enterprise, when Tucker's at peak sexiness.... They must know that at least the fraus will want a sexy male. Did they plan for that to be Archer a la Kirk? It wouldn't have been possible for the slightly mad alien doctor.

by Anonymousreply 41January 27, 2019 6:50 AM

Imagine the shit fest Voyager would have been if the stuck with Bujold

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by Anonymousreply 42January 27, 2019 6:53 AM

TNG looks quite dated now, it has a very late 80s/early 90s feel to it.

by Anonymousreply 43January 27, 2019 7:01 AM

DS9 & Voyager had the best outfits before

DS9 went all "grey shoulders" in their last few seasons.

by Anonymousreply 44January 27, 2019 7:33 AM

DS9 was the best series overall.

Voyager had a great premise and good characters, but the execution was utter shit. What that show did to the Borg is a travesty. Janeway was great, though; I just wish she’d been on a better show. I’d give the edge to Picard over her, but only because Janeway was the lead of an inferior show.

Also, Icheb for most fuckable character — would definitely have pumped his ass full of nanoprobes. Discovery Spock is looking pretty hot too.

by Anonymousreply 45January 27, 2019 7:53 AM

R45, I agree with so much of what you wrote. Honestly, the showrunners for Voyager never really knew what the end game was going to be for Voyager (meaning how long would it take and under what circumstances) to return to the alpha quadrant.

I loved Janeway, did not mind losing Kes in favor of Seven (whose creation I feel was one of the best, most interesting in ST history). Unfortunately, she wore stupid cat suit showing off tits and ass. Adding Borg children was fascinating.

Best series: DS9 - completely underrated, but thought through with an actual story arc for Sisko Best captain: Janeway - writers seemed to have decided that the first female to lead a series would be strong and focused, attractive, but no one to mess with when confronted by an enemy (or another female, like the Borg Queen).

Best episode: So many, no way for me to choose just one.

by Anonymousreply 46January 27, 2019 10:11 AM

Voyager had the best aliens = Species 8472, Viideans, Ocampa, Talaxians, Hirogen,etc.

Voyager also had the best bridge (the TNG wood accents on their bridge are laughable now as is their "ski ramps" on both sides) & both DS9 & Enterprise bridges had the same problems (they couldn't have a decent fight scene on their cramped ugly sets like that).

Voyager also had the best overall ship design of any Enterprise or Defiant ship around.

The Delta Flyer is also a bad ass vehicle to the other ship's shuttle crafts.

by Anonymousreply 47January 28, 2019 3:53 AM

I've never understood why Janeway at the end of "Resolutions' ( The episode where she & Chakotay have a virus & are stuck on a planet), Kathryn tells the monkey "feel free to use the house".

i thought the crew was desperate for materials/supplies so why wouldn't they take it with them? I doubt Kes' powers let them know ahead of time that they wouldn't need the structure again in the future (another Delta Quadrant virus could've affected more than 2 people the next time).

Also they are so concerned about Star Fleet tech falling into the Kazon & other species hands so why would they let the material be researched & possibly replicated? It could change the balance of power on a war torn world if the materials are resistance to destruction. One side's buildings could remain intact & the other side's would all get knocked down. I always thought it was a dumb move & hypocritical on Janeway's part. The Prime Directive should dictate that all Star Fleet products are to be returned to the ship unless absolutely necessary.

by Anonymousreply 48January 28, 2019 6:59 PM

Best series - Voyager. Best Captain - Jean Luc Picard. Best episode - The inner light from TNG. I always found that incredibly moving.

by Anonymousreply 49January 28, 2019 8:30 PM

One of the more cleverly written shows was on Voyager. The Blink of an Eye episode. When Voyagers time in orbit moved much slower than the time on the planet. The planet starts out with cavemen worshiping Voyager and the episode ends with the planet becoming more advanced that Voyager and boarding Voyager to help them break the orbit. I thought that was some really good writing.

by Anonymousreply 50January 28, 2019 10:21 PM

They all had their strengths.

Best captain was hands down Picard. The Inner Light, Darmok and Lessons remains to me the epitome of what made him great. TNG had the best crew chemistry.

DS9 was the most cohesive series, more complex storylines, and a clear through line. TNG was sabotaged by the budget and energy diverted to DS9. Some of Season 6 and 7 was clearly scripted to avoid special effects and had severely weak episodes.

Voyager had the best twists and turns and knockout episodes. Janeway was my second favourite Captain. It refused to commit to a narrative like DS9 did. The Year of Hell should have been a real year of hell earlier in the series. They should have lost a lot of crew and absorbed a crew like Equinox a lot sooner than Season 6, instead of it all going nowhere.

Enterprise holds up better than I thought, and I ended up really like T'Pol most of all.

Discovery is struggling to make an impression, but Season 2 is off to a good start.

by Anonymousreply 51January 28, 2019 10:39 PM

Me too R51. Though I found Enterprise to be mediocre, at best, after season two, T'Pol is my favorite character from the whole franchise. She played it just right. I thought she would have a career after Enterprise. She really was a mesmerizing actress. You couldn't take your eyes off her.

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by Anonymousreply 52January 28, 2019 10:46 PM

Yick, T'Pol as she was played on Enterprise... the copied Seven of Nine and put a Vulcan in a cat suit and made sure the actress had gravity-defying tits.

I loved the premise of Enterprise, really enjoyed the first season, watched the second, but the ridiculous attack on the Earth, ripping a gash into the planet up the east coast? Where in the Star Trek canon was that? The aliens they created? Oh right, the species that were never heard from in Star Trek (original) ST: TNG, DS9, etc...

by Anonymousreply 53January 28, 2019 10:52 PM

[quote]T'Pol is my favorite character from the whole franchise. She played it just right. I thought she would have a career after Enterprise.

Jolene Blalock married the CEO of Live Nation. She's never had to work another day.

by Anonymousreply 54January 28, 2019 10:59 PM

R53, I agree with you about Enterprise. It was post-9/11, so perhaps the writers did it to address how the world currently felt, especially in the US. But I liked the Xindi.

by Anonymousreply 55January 29, 2019 6:41 AM

I think Enterprise changed the show runner or head writer before the Xindi stuff. If I recall correctly his name was Manny Coto and he was a conservative Repug dick.

by Anonymousreply 56January 29, 2019 6:54 AM

Plus it was hard to get over that shit music intro for Enterprise before the show started.

by Anonymousreply 57January 29, 2019 9:47 AM

They’re all bottoms m

by Anonymousreply 58January 29, 2019 9:54 AM

DS9 was the best.

No Trek episode ever gets as good as that one with Tony "CANDYMAN" Todd. That shit messed me up for days after I watched it.

Trek is at its best when it is gun and a bit campy but that episode was just fucking brilliance.

by Anonymousreply 59January 29, 2019 10:52 AM

Gun = fun

by Anonymousreply 60January 29, 2019 10:53 AM

I also wasn't a big fan of Enterprise but they did have one excellent episode: "Carbon Creek." It was the one where T'Pol told the story about how her great-grandmother and two other Vulcans crash-landed on Earth in the 1950s and had to pretend to be human and blend into human society (working regular jobs, socializing with humans etc.) for many months, until a rescue ship could come and pick them up. It was a great story and very well-done.

by Anonymousreply 61January 29, 2019 5:45 PM

Though Enterprise is but a blip to me Carbon Creek is my favorite episode of the entire franchise. VELCRO!

by Anonymousreply 62January 29, 2019 9:48 PM

My favorite series was Enterprise. It's the only ST series where the men were shirtless every chance they could.

by Anonymousreply 63January 29, 2019 9:56 PM

My favorite Enterprise episodes were the ones where Cap. Archer took a shower and the British guy was in his underwear with the doctor getting his leg pushed in while laying on his back.

by Anonymousreply 64January 29, 2019 11:39 PM

TNG by a mile, but I loved Voyager too.

With the exception of the Dominion war stuff, DS9 was a fucking snore. People who claim it's the best are hipster poseurs who just want to be contrarians. DS9 is boring as fuck, and you can't just pull out random eps and enjoy them as standalones the way you can TNG or VOY.

Enterprise was mostly crap, but I'll take it over the aptly named STD any day.

by Anonymousreply 65January 30, 2019 12:04 AM

The reasons I couldn't get into DS9 were one...they didn't go anywhere...two..the captain. I would always think that it's it's like the 23rd century and the black guy still has to talk like he's from the ghetto.

by Anonymousreply 66January 30, 2019 12:06 AM

I tried to get into DS9 but I just couldn't. The Bajoran/Cardassian conflict just bored me to tears, I didn't give a shit about either one.

by Anonymousreply 67January 30, 2019 12:09 AM

they never gave the black guy on Enterprise much of a story but they showed him in his underwear a lot and he was pretty hot. Look like he had a nice sized cock.

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by Anonymousreply 68January 30, 2019 12:25 AM

Insisting that DS9 is the best is the scifi equivalent of proclaiming that some dirty dive bar is the best in town, or bragging that you were a fan of a band before it became popular.

It was a snooze fest.

by Anonymousreply 69January 30, 2019 2:48 PM

Best Series: DS9 (The only one that I watched regularly, I guess I liked politics better than adventure)

Best Captain: Picard

Best episode: DS9 finale

Though I'll never forgive them that they killed the Garak/Bashir storyline, even the actors were into it.

by Anonymousreply 70January 30, 2019 2:57 PM

DS9 was the best series - having ODO turn out to be one of the BIG BAD peoples was brilliant and it allowed them to flesh out the Ferengi who they introduced on TNG but never really followed through with. It also allowed the Perjoran to be shown as a race of people not really feeling the federation. And the evil Khardasians they were the best bad guys short of the dominion. I also loved how the Romulans and Klingons came together with the federation saying these bitches are going to fuck us all up so lets share technology and fuck them up first.

by Anonymousreply 71January 30, 2019 3:40 PM

R71, thank you for spelling the Cardassians as Khardasians - which is how it should be for now and forever.

I never warmed up to DS9, but friends tell me it's the best of all Star Trek programs to watch episode by episode. A slow burn of a program I guess that actually pays off.

by Anonymousreply 72January 30, 2019 4:02 PM

What was the Bashir/Garak story that was dropped.

by Anonymousreply 73January 30, 2019 4:06 PM

Deep Space 9 was NOT the best show. There was too little Action/Adventure and it felt like no one was in charge. The actor who played Sisko was NOT a good actor especially when he had to get emotional. My favorite character on DP9 was Odo.

by Anonymousreply 74January 30, 2019 4:09 PM

r73 It was a sort of mentor/student friendship that verged on gay interest and actors played it up. If I remember correctly, it apparently looked too gay so they replaced the Garak/Bashir relationship with a wholesome O'Brian/Bashir friendship.

by Anonymousreply 75January 30, 2019 4:13 PM

Oh, that's a bummer, r75. Garak was my favorite and that would have been an interesting side plot.

by Anonymousreply 76January 30, 2019 4:21 PM

DS9 had the most interesting characters - the woman who was a host for an ancient parasite (Sisko always calling her old man) Odo the shapeshifter who when he finally finds his people realizes they are emotionless shit bags.

by Anonymousreply 77January 30, 2019 4:32 PM

r76 Well, some will say that the Bashir/O'Brian relationship was even more gay but O'Brian was married and they were so buddy buddy they never held the same appeal to me. I remember reading somewhere that the Bashir actor was convinced Bashir and Garak were to be Star Trek's first gay couple and that Garak actor was told to tone down the gay. So yeah, bummer. It's a pity Star Trek series don't get reboots, I bet they'd go through with it now. I'd love to see the whole DS9 with better special effects and storylines and relationships planned and carried out throught all seasons.

r77 Odo was my favorite too.

by Anonymousreply 78January 30, 2019 4:40 PM

Marina Sirtis calls it "Deep Sleep 9."

God, I love her.

by Anonymousreply 79January 30, 2019 4:51 PM

Oh God, Marina Sirtis! Go on Youtube and watch her con appearances with Q&A at the end. The woman is a fucking riot, funnier than most stand-up comics.

by Anonymousreply 80January 30, 2019 5:55 PM

The one thing I learned is that in the future - there are no gay men, just alien lesbians.

by Anonymousreply 81January 30, 2019 5:59 PM

I have, R80.

I fucking love that woman.

by Anonymousreply 82January 30, 2019 6:01 PM

"They are no gay people in space"

by Anonymousreply 83February 4, 2019 5:33 AM

I also think DS9 is overrated. The Ferengi episodes were my favorites & I loved Rom's girlfriend.

One of the problems I have with the Trek shows is that the women (a minority on all the shows) don't seem to have "buddy episodes" the way the male characters do.

Bashir was buds with O'Brian & Garek. Data had Wesley & Geordi.

Dax only had 1 (sort of) buddy episode that I can recall with Kira.

Kes & Torres never had a buddy episode. Kes is jealous of her kiss with Tom in "Before & After" "(You must be B'Lanna") & Torres later in the season could care less that Kes was missing from Voyager in "Displaced". Torres is staring into space & when Kim snaps her back to reality, B'Lanna asks him if she is too aggressive/pushy/etc. (based on a previous fight with Paris). Meanwhile Kes could be starving, tortured or dead but Torres could care less!!!

Crusher & Troi never really have a buddy episode & I've read here on the DL that they didn't get along much on TNG. Tasha wasn't on long enough for a close relationship with either lady.

Ezri also wasn't on long enough to have close female relationships (they relied on her "Dax life" to acheve that Kira, etc.).

The Asian girl on Enterprise wasn't well liked by anyone so maybe that's why the Vulcan lady didn't have many episodes with her.

Poor Dr. Pulaski didn't even get in the opening credits much less a good friendship with Troi during her only year.

I think only Janeway had buddy ties to Kes, Torres & Seven during their show. I haven't seen all of STD to comment on that show.

They need to do better by the female characters & viewers. I can't believe women are 52% of the population & are basically tokens in the cast & among the guest stars on most episodes.

by Anonymousreply 84February 4, 2019 5:59 AM

[quote]I think only Janeway had buddy ties to Kes, Torres & Seven during their show. I haven't seen all of STD to comment on that show.

By the end, Voyager was basically the Janeway/Seven show with everyone else supporting them although Torres did have her moments in the Sun. Janeway had an occasional surrogate mother relationship with Torres but more prevalent was her seeing her almost as an equal. Torres was the authority on engineering. There was no one better and no one tried. Janeway never had to look over her shoulder (in-so-far as work is concerned) and she respected her opinions. It was different with everyone else on the crew except Chakotay.

The purest relationship that didn't involve the two actresses talking about men was definitely Janeway as surrogate mother to Seven of Nine. Seven could always express her feelings to Janeway, mostly centering on her confusions with humanity, and Janeway would often nudge her in the right direction when she needed to make a decision.

Discovery has Michael's relationships with Tilly and of course the Georgiou(s). They really should have brought in "Number One" to have another woman around but since Spock was based off of her personality, and Michael behaves like a Vulcan there probably wouldn't have been much difference between the two which isn't very interesting to watch.

by Anonymousreply 85February 4, 2019 6:39 AM

Oh r65, hipster? You really are one of the DLers who doesn't know what that word means.

None of the series are perfect. TNG is my personal favourite for many reasons, but it had as many horrible episodes, if not more, than the others, mostly the ones from S3 forward that had children and the horrible Deanna and Beverly love story episodes. The two where they gave them lead action roles were fairly good but marred by bad scropts. TNG fans like to forget S1 and S2 as the growing pain years before it found its footing but you can't throw out two years of a seven year series unless you say, for example, TNG seasons 3-5 were the best.

Voyager came up with one awkward sci-fi plot after another. Some were great. Many were duds and the show never lived up to its potential, if it had done what DS9 could have been but made action the hallmark (several ongoing stories and really put the crew the death and loss. And have more Asians so you could just kill off Harry Kim).

DS9 was often a snooze-fest and was never "hip" (much less anything hipsters would give a shit about). When it was aired, for me it was back to back with TNG so it never felt as boring as it was for some. The way it took on religion was dead on. Louise Fletcher? Come on, she was amazing even though that storyline went nuts in the end. Her Kai was brilliantly done. And DS9 could keep a story going. The Dominion storyline was genuinely complex, more than just an enemy so daunting that you couldn't have them show up every episode). That episode "The Adversary" where one of them is loose on the ship was incredible. The reveals when Odo goes home and finds out the truth, the ongoing war, Odo's struggles, his love for Kira, etc. all played out like real stories that were complex enough not to be confined to an episode. And I always though Worf and the Klingons were pure camp but on DS9 they seemed grittier and more interesting.

Was DS9, perfect? Hell no. Lots of really boring stretches in the first three years and its duds were boring duds, not even camp. But it did things better than the other because it wasn't the flagship trying to be friendly to preteens and coping with Roddeberry's dated camp (TNG), or trying to launch a network by relying on the TNG formula (Voyager) or to retell the canon without doing it the way it should be done (consistent with TOS).

by Anonymousreply 86February 4, 2019 8:15 AM

I've said it before, eventhough most people hate it with a passion....season 1 of TNG will always hold a special place in my heart.

by Anonymousreply 87February 4, 2019 1:19 PM

Many fans were angry with Kes killing Torres in her "Fury" return

but I thought it was just deserts for how Torres treated Kes in "Displaced".

by Anonymousreply 88February 4, 2019 4:36 PM

Jennifer Lien got shitcanned from Voyager because of her drug use.

by Anonymousreply 89February 4, 2019 5:23 PM

She had as drug lab at the hydroponic bay

by Anonymousreply 90February 5, 2019 5:59 AM

Kes is the only character who used the replicators to produce Xanax, Lorcet and reefer.

She was on her own Trek.

How about the episode where Naomi Wildman and her friends were playing in the ship's corridor and Kes ran out of her quarters, completely nude, to scream at them.

by Anonymousreply 91February 6, 2019 12:13 AM

One thing I loved about Voyager is how they never softened the relationship between 7 and B'Lanna. They cracked me up.

by Anonymousreply 92February 6, 2019 12:16 AM

r91 you made me laugh.

by Anonymousreply 93February 6, 2019 12:22 AM

I'm with R93 all of the way.

R91 If those are your own jokes then you should be a comedian.

by Anonymousreply 94February 6, 2019 4:12 AM

I just watched "Infinite Regress' episode last night after many years.

Jeri Ryan's Ferengi impersonation made me laugh again.

I forgot how great she was at doing whatever the script called for.

I'll always be a Kes fan though. She was/is my favorite Trek character.

by Anonymousreply 95February 7, 2019 1:16 AM

I liked when 7 had to be the Dr. too.

by Anonymousreply 96February 7, 2019 1:17 AM

R96 I forgot about that one.

Time to rewatch it this week.

Thanks for the reminder!

by Anonymousreply 97February 7, 2019 6:00 AM

Bump

by Anonymousreply 98February 7, 2019 2:39 PM
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