Scotty And The Secret History of Hollywood

Festival link. It will be interesting if this changes the minds of the doubters.

Fuck OFF, Scotty!

I just read his booi

Who's got the Charles Laughton part?

Yes, I'll believe everything he said because of a movie.

The blondie on the right in that pic is quite fuckable.

Va-va-va-VOOM!

^ I have no words.

A lot of bitter old ladies of both sexes will have to eat their words after this screens. The plain find it hard to believe the offers attractive people have. I know a very handsome very sensual guy who gets outrageous offers all the time. On the scale of 'come back to my superyacht' stuff. He can land in a city and in half a morning be hooked up with its elite. So I have no problem believing Bowers, even so far as the Windsors. After all, someone here a few years ago said they were chased round his suite at the Waldolf as a florist delivery boy.

Why would this be any more believable than the book?

Man, if there ever was a name that triggered DL, Scotty Bowers has to be it. Hopefully the movie's not total garbage, even half-way decent garbage would be okay.

Everything PR-unfriendly being said about a rich or celeb is a vicious lie or elsewise false.

Gore Vidal said he was what he said he was. I don't understand why gay men are so adamant it's untrue. It's just self loathing.

[quote]Why would this be any more believable than the book?

Because it features interviews with Hollywood insiders. I'm not sure if they got Debbie Reynolds before her death (she mentions him in her book) but they did get others.

I read the book and I found it somewhat believable except I got really bored about a third of the way through.

I think people would be more inclined to believe him if he wasn't lying about his own sexuality. That's the part that undermines everything else he says, for most people. I believe what he says about celebs, but there's no way he's straight. Bi, maybe.

I don't think he's lying. Like some highly sexed people he's omnisexual. But more than that, he comes across as a savant -- in this case, a sexual savant. He had a clear talent for pleasing people beyond just having a big dick, and keeping his mouth shut, and being honest and reliable. In Hollywood, an all-business town, that was clearly gold. The book reads awkwardly because it's obviously an assemblage of taped conversations, so blame his writer.

We have some older gay gentlemen say that "Yeah, that's pretty much how things were back then" when asked about Bowers book. I agree about Bowers being Bi, I mean really. No one is that comfortable, and even enthusiastic, about sex with other men without being at least Bi.

Scotty is the real deal. I absolutely believe him based purely on my days as a young guy at UCLA when I was invited to Hollywood parties and propositioned by all kinds of freaks. Hollywood couples, closeted stars, the lot. I've always said Hollywood is the most sexualized environment on the planet and full of freaks.

Right. He's not "straight", and no one believes that or should. He'd heighten his credibility if he wasn't stating that nonsense.

I had to stop reading after the Charles Laughton section. Maybe I'll pick it up again.

Yes R21, that was gross. I don't want to see that re enacted on screen.

R19, HI! I'm curious, did you turn them down? What happened when/if you turned them down (let's face it, many were not attractive) and if that became detrimental to your life.

I know it hurt my life.

I think I posted this before, but I turned down Jon Voight twice, 10 years apart. First time, he still looked really good- of course so did I.

Did he remember you the second time, r24?

I wish Scotty posted here. Would perk up the place.

Scotty's ancient. I 'd be surprised if he could use a computer at this point.

I have a hard time believing that Katherine Hepburn used so many young women sexually, prostitutes or starlets, but then again that is a trait of a narcissist to exploit others.

Most women make emotional bonds but narcissists/sociopathic women do not.

I don't buy the Katharine Hepburn stuff at all.

No, Jon did not remember. I must be his type, lol.

Hepburn bearded for Spencer Tracy for years. They have double platinum bearding status.

God, I would think the Hepburn stuff is the most bleeding obvious. She's practically defines the subset hard bony dyke.

Oh please. K Hepburn lived on Cukor's estate which was Gay Central.

What I don't understand about the supposed Hepburn/Tracy bearding is that it wasn't known by the general public at the time, so what was the point? I think there was some kind of relationship. Maybe they were both Bi? Katharine dated several other men as well-highly sexed so I'm not buying the full on lez.

Sounds like another Hollywood Babylon book made into a movie.

The bearding, in closet re Hepburn - yes, but not what he said about getting women/prostitutes through "Scotty."

I always assumed the book was about 50% true and 50% embellished, with some stories being almost entirely true, some being almost entirely untrue, and some being a mixture of both.

If Scotty had only the sex life he alleged, he'd be a busy guy, but then inclidentally he kept up a full-time job and another on the side? It seemed to be a string of "Oh yeah I fucked him too."

Others have confirmed Kate using Scotty- Tracy as well.

who R39?

Link 39?

The main reason I don't believe the numbers of Hepburn conquests is because she seems to be such a non-sensual person. I've read in multiple sources that she did not like to be physically touched, and she has that affect. So what would she be doing to hundreds of young women if not touching them?

If I request this on Netflix, it suggests the Harry Potter movies.

She seemed pretty selective about who she associated with as well

More, r19!!!

"Netflix suggests the Harry Potter movies. "

No, it suggests the Hairy Pooper movies.

I agree with what someone said about it being half real and half embellished. From what I remember from the book he claims to be bi sexual not just straight gay for pay.

If a guy can routinely fuck another guy, whatever else he may be, it's not straight.

Smitty has playful eyes. I have the impression that some of what he alleges in the book are stories he heard and inserted himself into for dramatic effect and to increase readership. He was in the business for a long time so I am sure he knew what everyone was into so he could arrange meetings. I do think that a lot of it he knows from firsthand knowledge through direct participation. He gives the impression that he waited to produce this memoir until his clients were dead but this fact also means that his statements can not be 100% debunked. I think the advice given upthread to read and enjoy it as fiction is sound.

Is he the one in the cat's eye sunglasses and kicky frock?

He claims he never made a dime from all the hook ups he arranged.

He was just a bartender most of the time.

Read Cecil Beaton's Diary of the 1960s. He arranges a hookup with Scotty, and he says he's as wonderful as ever. And that was when Beaton was having an affairette with Garbo, another half lez. Only suburban minds would try and put these people into sexual boxes.

Bwaahaaa like Beaton ever got within a foot of Garbo.

Forget R19, I want to hear from R23 - how was your life hurt? By saying NO , or by saying YES to the advances?

I doubt the Hepburn stuff, too.

So were the folks in OP's pic about to have an orgy? They're probably now all dead and rotting, except for sb. Including the pretty blond on the right. Makes ya think. Scatter ye spunkbuds while ye may, as the poet says.

"Hepburn bearded for Spencer Tracy for years."

No, she didn't. For one thing, he wasn't gay. In fact, he was a lady's man who had affair with prominent stars like Ingrid Bergman and Loretta Young. And during all of this, and during all his relationship with Hepburn, he was MARRIED. He never divorced his wife.

Katherine Hepburn would have not thought Scotty Bowers good enough to spit on, much less procure for her.

During the popularity of the film Deep Throat, Bowers claims to have arranged for Linda Lovelace to give instruction on deep throating at parties. Linda Lovelace never met Scotty Bowers. The only guy she ever procured for was her lord and master Chuck Trayor.

And then there were the threesomes with "Eddie and Wally", generally known as The Duke and Duchess of Windsor. Their friends called them David and Wallis. Wallis did have a relationship with a gay man, but it sure as hell wasn't with Scotty Bowers. It was with Jimmy Donahue, the amusing, dissolute cousin of the Woolworth heiress Barbara Hutton.

Everyone Bowers claims to have procured for and had sex with is conveniently dead. He has no one iota of evidence to back up any of his claims. You have have to take it on faith. And THAT is incredibly stupid. Bowers is quite simply, a big fat liar. He'll say anything, and hopes he will be believed. And some very, very stupid people do seem to believe him. They'll believe anything, apparently.

You tell 'em, toots!

Yeah, we'll all just take what R57 says on faith since his only evidence is his opinion.

"Yeah, we'll all just take what [R57] says on faith since his only evidence is his opinion."

No, dummy. Spencer Tracy was married to his wife until his death and his life and affairs and relationships with women have all been well documented in a highly researched biography by James Curtis. The Duchess of Windsor did have a "friendship" with Jimmy Donahue. No one except Chuck Traynor called the shots in Linda Lovelace's brief porno career. Those are all facts, honey, and you can look them up. But I know you'd much rather believe Scotty Bower's nasty fairy tales. It's so much more fun to believe long dead Hollywood actors did things like eat shit sandwiches, isn't it? So much fun!

FFS, if you aren't going to go with the gossip flow, why do dissenters post on these threads?

R60 = Blah, blah, blah, my opinions are facts, blah, insult, blah, insult, blah, blah.

Very articulate. I think you've convinced me!

"𝙷𝚎𝚙𝚋𝚞𝚛𝚗 𝚋𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚍𝚎𝚍 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚂𝚙𝚎𝚗𝚌𝚎𝚛 𝚃𝚛𝚊𝚌𝚢 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚢𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚜."

𝐍𝐨, 𝐬𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐢𝐝𝐧'𝐭. 𝐅𝐨𝐫 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠, 𝐡𝐞 𝐰𝐚𝐬𝐧'𝐭 𝐠𝐚𝐲. 𝐈𝐧 𝐟𝐚𝐜𝐭, 𝐡𝐞 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐚 𝐥𝐚𝐝𝐲'𝐬 𝐦𝐚𝐧 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐚𝐟𝐟𝐚𝐢𝐫 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐦𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝐈𝐧𝐠𝐫𝐢𝐝 𝐁𝐞𝐫𝐠𝐦𝐚𝐧 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐚 𝐘𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐠.

^^^^Am I getting Xes on this because I have a setting for no flaming?

Beaton didn't get with a foot of Garbo?

Here he is with her, Sweetie. During their affair she stayed at his country house. Lots of pics of her there too.

Who's the silly queen now, R53?

Beaton and Garbo again.

>Bowers is quite simply, a big fat liar. He'll say anything, and hopes he will be believed. And some very, very stupid people do seem to believe him. They'll believe anything, apparently.

Queens like R57 who spout with such authority from the podium, yet never met the subject the pronounce about, crack me up. The idea that everyone is dead and there is no evidence is totally rubbish, yet they keep saying it like some Bolshevick, hoping their lie will stick! Er, no. Here's Raymond Burr's partner, for example:

"Benevides, now 82 and reached at the Raymond Burr Winery in Napa Valley, said he had not seen or spoken to Bowers for more than 20 years. He was not aware of Full Service....

Yes, Benevides admitted, it was Bowers who first "introduced" him to actor Raymond Burr in 1959.

Yes, Bowers frequently "introduced" young gay guys to older men like Burr.

Yes, Bowers took no money for making the "introduction."

"Scotty just liked to make people happy," Benevides says.

Benevides confirms it all, to the extent that he knows personally. The idea that Bowers would make up anything is laughable, he says. "Scotty Bowers is the most honest person I've known, with the best memory for names and places I've ever seen," he says. "If he tells you that something happened to somebody, that's the way it was."

Here's a fresh pic of the very, very popular Mr Bowers.

R65, I think it's some kind of a cypher. We need to write a GUI in Visual Basic to decode it.

Or R64 is just a nitwit.

Here's Raymond Burr with his partner Robert Benevides. I'd pay to see "I know the real story" total dick whackers like R57/60 try and scream in his face their denials.

r57 == another family relation of ab old Hollywood tramp.

Like the pic of Scotty with the drag queens. Thanks.

Now that you mention it...!

Darwin Porter is more believable and fun to read.

[quote]He has no one iota of evidence to back up any of his claims.

Probably true r57, but I would much rather read him than another one of your bitter and irrelevant screeds.

r56 Like I said Beaton didn't get within a foot of Garbo. I see two homo's walking down the street. You see two passionate lovers? Bwahahaa

R64 must be retarded, because it is a fact that Spencer Tracey was married to his wife until he died and he did have affairs...with women. Yes, R64 must be retarded.

R66 , not r56

R66 is why studios successfully duped the public for decades and why queens like Beaton and Bogarde wrote about bedding beautiful lesbians. Both Beaton and Bogarde were self loathing to the extreme.

R62, blah, blah, blah, Scotty is the real thing, blah, blah, blah, I think everything he says is true. blah, blah, blah, I don't need any proof or evidence of anything he says, blah, blah, blah, I just like to believe unsubstantiated gossip about long dead celebrities, blah, blah, blah.

R79 = Romina Power

Fascinating stuff. Would love to see this film.

The problem I had with the book wasn't that I didn't believe his stories (thought I didn't believe most of it), it was how tedious and boring it all was.

I don't know how you make such a salacious topic--with such a cast of characters--boring, but he and his ghost writer managed it.

"Fascinating stuff."

Shit sandwiches are "fascinating?"

I've spent my life surrounded by family members and neighbors, meaning I've been involved in their lives since I was born. Something I learned about the aging process: our memories get faulty. Yeah, big revelation, I know. But the thing is, they don't realize it, and they believe what they are saying is true. So I've got people in their eighties and nineties reminiscing about situations that I was involved in or have heard them talk about for decades, only now the story's changed. Now it's a different story. They also suddenly begin to reminisce about things that supposedly happened, yet they never ever mentioned before, not even in the era it supposedly took place.

I think the same thing is probably going on with Bowers. Yes, I believed he was involved in the Hollywood sex stuff, like he says. But when it comes to specific stories, it is very possible that he's now remembering it differently than how it took place. It's also very possible that he's remembering events that never took place.

If so, he's not lying. He believes he's accurately recalling his adventures. . .even if/when he isn't.

79 = can't muster an original thought, so resorts to kindergarten playground mimicry.

"I don't know how you make such a salacious topic...boring"

As the old saying goes, I guess you had to be there.

That Bowers book wasn't convincing in the least, truly terribly written. The question I have for some of you is why do you want to believe this stuff?

R83 I have no clue what you're talking about.

You're lucky! You probably want to stay clear of the book.

One great irony here is that many of you guys are accusing others of being naïve enough to believe everything they read when in fact its you who display an unknowing innocence about the seedy side of Hollywood.

During my time in LA I met a guy named Fat Jack who used to pimp young guys to Hollywood stars. He was a huge disgusting guy from NYC originally. He lived in a simple one bedroom near Hollywood and Vine. Any other guys here run across him?

Sounds interesting R91. Who were some of his alleged clients?

Cecil Beaton probably had a close friendship with Garbo. No doubt he was infatuated by her star power etc like many gays are by female icons. As for Wallis Simpson why would any self respecting gay man choose to poke that ugly old boot? I have a hard time imagining a straight guy doing it. She comes across like a dragon from the interviews I've seen. I mean, if your a gay guy wanting to dabble with a woman wouldn't you find a pretty one??

Beaton proposed to Garbo. She turned him down. They did have a long-running, on and off affair.

So Beaton was bisexual? Interesting.

As for Hepburn who knows? She appeared so uptight and prudish, yet she herself said that her public persona was fabricated. She called it 'the creature'. I don't doubt she liked the ladies at all. Her relationship with Tracy sounds like a deep friendship rather than a torrid love affair. I read a bio where one of her friends said he didn't think the two were sexual

R57 =has shit for brains. god you are dumb. go back to your studio apartment in west covina. You know nothing

"On and off affair"

Mostly off.

r94 is full of shit. Good grief, Beaton was a self loathing very effeminate gay and a laughing stock amongst stars of the period. No, Garbo and Beaton never had an affair.

Garbo used to come to Europe and laugh with her lesbian fiends in Switzerland about what a horrible deluded person he was. They all did.

That's why she didn't marry him, r98. She thought he was a self-important, self-entitled, jerk. She also thought he was after her money -- she was much wealthier than he was. But he could be fun to be around, he was smart, personable when he wanted to be, a good escort and good in bed. The deluded Beaton was astonished when she turned down his proposal.

The affair is extremely well documented and accepted by both their biographers. See the various links, r98, and stop believing your opinions are fact.

R85 = idiot who will believe anything

I think Michael Mann was totally right in calling Katharine Hepburn transgender. A transgender man who liked women, that's who she basically was. If anyone thinks her relationships with Laura Harding, Elissa Landi and Phyllis Wiburn were platonic, they're kidding themselves.

R57, gay people got married before it was legal for gay people to marry each other. It happened all the time.

That said, Gore Vidal is not a good reference for Bowers' credibility. He claims never to have ever lied, but in fact, his favorite story, about his doomed romance with the late Jimmy Trimble, is something he made up.

Plenty of gay men marry and procreate with their wives. And have affairs with women while basically preferring men. Look at the Redgraves. Look at Anthony Perkins. If any thinks Laurence Olivier wasn't gay they're kidding themselves.

The gayest guy I knew in college, the most out and proud, is now living in Minnesota married to a woman and has a couple of kids. I don't know what happened to him, but that's what he did. Don't think it's religion.

R57 as shit for brains. god you are dumb. go back to your studio apartment in west covina. You know nothing."

And I suppose you know "everything." God, you are retarded.

Katharine Hepburn has nothing to do with "transgender." What a ridiculous comment.

[quote]He claims he never made a dime from all the hook ups he arranged.

In the beginning he said he took a $20 tip from clients at the gas station before handing over the guys. Later, he got paid in real estate. He's got a few homes. Scotty didn't need the money.

R102...ah yes i do know pretty much know everything. live in beverly hills. older now . but very hot when younger. rich. traveled everywhere , met and had everyone i ever wanted to meet or have sex with.. so dont question me . I do know everything. and i do know you are a moron

Cecil Beaton turned up at an aristocratic friend's country house, and when he saw all the men splashing naked in the pool he turned on his heels and left! He was very precious.

"...the late Jimmy Trimble..."

Jimmy Trimble is dead? NOOOOOOO!

Some like to believe what Beaton wrote in his memoirs, but everyone who knew him knew the Garbo story was false just as Dirk Bogarde's musings about Capucine were fantasies in his autobios.

There does exist in elitist circles a certain type of very queeny gay man who claims to have a special relationship with the most desirable/powerful/beautiful woman in the group implying that they have been intimate.. I've seen it myself while escorting ladies to different functions.

They have no self awareness, they're usually quite miserable and they can't find anybody to fuck them. That was Beaton.

..."escorting ladies..."

Ever see "The Walker?"

Most men escorting wealthy ladies are gay. We don't have sex with the ladies FFS and its not a paid gig. Its primarily friendship and the opportunity to meet interesting people and hot guys while providing male companionship.

R110. yea i have seen alot of you little flamers around Los angeles. You are little circus court jesters for wealthy old hags .You are there to wipe their asses and make them feel pretty and not worthless. you are a pretty pathetic group. where do you hide your balls on these gigs? the old hags purse? you are usually employed in the daytime as realtors or hairdressers or interior designers. lovely. bascially you babysit old hags to events cause their own husbands cant stand to do it any longer

r111 What an archaic picture you paint. Are you 100 years old?

I love a lot of what Gore Vidal did and wrote, but he was a fabulist and a fiction writer. He told his life story accordingly. I don't think anyone really takes his word as fact. Many of his contemporaries disliked him because of his gossip and lies. As far as Bowers goes, about 90% of what he writes (badly) is obviously fiction, but people are gullible, so...

J'adore R57/60, who just gets all you little gossip queens into a big tizz.

R113 "obviously fiction" ... get your head out of your ass. go out into the world. you have no clue whats going on your moron

I thinkmsome of it is true and some parts inside gossip that he heard. I found the Duke of Windsor story off. It's been awhile since I read Bower's book, but I think he claimed to be calling (DoW) "Eddie" when he was known privately as "David."

Duke said to Scotty, "Call me Eddie. That will be our very own private moniker."

And this thread, full of self loathing people, is precisely the reason that there's zero gossip on this board. Everything's a lie, and the only truthful people are the publicists. Uh huh.

R117. you must be a blast to hang out with..........NOT. stop being a depressing little Mo

R57, please go hang out somewhere else. You've made your opinion known several times. At this point, you're a tiresome bore who isn't wanted here.

R118...I I'M depressing??? I'm not the one pissing all over his book and saying that every word out of his mouth is a lie. Then attacking Gore Vidal for supporting it. You trolls hate gay gossip, so I don't know why the fuck you're even here.

Well, all I can say is that the biggest Hollywood secret is that Tom Cruise is gay. Pssst! Now keep that on the downlow!

R119....here, how bout.... NO. If i am bothering your little homo ass, which it appears i am. I am sticking around. .. Me likey making little twats like you have to deal with "tiresome bores" lol, who the fuck talks like that ? are you mr. french off family affair? I bet you are. "tiresome bore"....haaaa, talk about old queer. lol

I thought Scotty's book was poorly written, but believable. The stories of his childhood, servicing priests and other dirty old men, are truly disturbing. I don't think anyone would make up stories about themselves like that.

That part sounds true, and harrowing. And the way he failed his daughter. Maybe some of the other is, but what percent is the question.

Mr. Track is do tedious.

Hollywood is sexually depraved, because it encourages to use sex as a weapon, affirm your power, negotiation tactic, to social network, for blackmail, etc.

Hollywood higher ups let their talent "loose" so they can control them (blackmail, humor them and their vices, shame them for being depraved, show loyalty by helping them to keep their depravities a secret, etc.) and create a "safe space" for them where they can be who they really are behind closed doors while pretending who they are not for the public.

Kind of like politics. In fact, kind of like any other high-powered business.

R117, I was told here on DL that there literally is no such thing as a candid celeb photo, that they're 100% set up and produced by PR firms.

I've posted this before when Scotty's book was first discussed here: I think r84 has it right. Scotty WAS a kind of pimp and hooker-up of and to the stars back in the day, and what he writes about his own sexual exploits is probably all true. But I agree that his memory probably isn't 100% any more, and he most likely inserted stories that he imagined, or at least embellished, into the framework of the true ones.

As corroboration for what he claims, I do remember reading (I wish I remembered where!) about "a gas station in LA that wasn't really a gas station, but actually a place to hook up". This was in a source that was published long before Bowers's book came out.

What I've always doubted is that he didn't take any money for his services, either as rent himself, or as a broker. And the other flat-out illogical thing is the story about his daughter's death from a botched abortion. If I understand his timeline right, this would have been after Roe vs. Wade, and in California, which makes it highly unlikely that a young woman would die from a back-alley abortion like he describes.

But whatever, the book was a fun read, even if the writing style was poor (which is the fault of the ghostwriter).

Why the hell is kate Hepburn now considered transgender? Because she was a tomboy and possibly dated women? How the fuck does that mean trans?

The stories about Tracy predate Bower's book by decades. He was a mean ugly drunk, and though Kate loved him and took care of him, whether their relationship was sexual is debatable. Supposedly, the great affair between him and Loretta Young was never consumated. (Clark Gable was another story altogether.) Still, Tracy was always rumoured to like young men, particularly when drunk.

[quote]Who's got the Charles Laughton part?

DL's very own Mrs Patrick Campbell, of course. She loved all the many, many, many takes.

>The stories of his childhood, servicing priests and other dirty old men, are truly disturbing.

The first lovers of all the catholic guys I know were priests.

The Catholic Church is depraved and corrupt as hell, always has been. I think you'll find that many porn stars or whores were molested as kids. It's like they are taking back control or something. It's very sad. As for scotty I bet at least some of the stories are true.

"ah yes i do know pretty much know everything. live in beverly hills. older now . but very hot when younger. rich. traveled everywhere , met and had everyone i ever wanted to meet or have sex with.. so dont question me . I do know everything. and i do know you are a moron.'

Sweetie, your story has as much credibility as Scotty Bower's tales do. You're pathetic. Go such Scotty's shriveled 88 year old pud. You know you're dying for it.

"obviously fiction" ... get your head out of your ass. go out into the world. you have no clue whats going on your moron."

You're so upset. Maybe you should have your mother bring you a nice cup of cocoa to calm you. Who are you, anyway? Scotty's agent? Or maybe you're Scotty? Anyway, you are the one who "has no clue whats going on." You seem to be suffering from some form of dementia. I feel sorry for you.

The odd thing about Bowers' recollections of molestation is how fondly he remembers all of it. Indeed, he romanticizes it.

R136. Yeah i am Scottys agent. You bitter little bitch. You should have just stuck to looking at the pictures in the book. you are too dumb to understand any other content

r137, it's a coping mechanism.

"It's a coping mechanism."

No, after seeing some of the stuff in his book it's plain to see that he found being sexually molested a pleasurable experience. Scotty Bowers is obviously a very sick fuck.

I don't think Bowers connected the dots between being repeatedly molested as a child and devoting his entire adult life to sex.

[quote] Why the hell is kate Hepburn now considered transgender? Because she was a tomboy and possibly dated women? How the fuck does that mean trans?

No I think it's because she said many times that she desperately wanted to be a boy growing up, and shaved her head and had people call her Jimmy before puberty. In the eighties an interviewer (I have that interview somewhere) taked to her about this, and said something like nowadays people can transition, had it been available at the time would you have, and she responded that it wasn't available so that's a moot point. And that she had decided on some kind of middle of the road, half woman half man.

If you listen to this from a trans perspective she fits.

Garbo is another one who spoke of herself using male pronouns her whole life. When the love of her younger lfe wrote to her in the US that she had given birth, Garbo responded that she was a very proud Dad.

Whether it was women's role in society that they rejected or whether they were trans, who knows. If you add the anti-lesbian stigma of the times, I am ready to bet that both Hepburn and Garbo would have much preferred imagining themselves as straight men.

R129, I'm glad you enjoyed it. I really wanted it be a fun read but I really disliked it (as I said up thread, it was a total bore).

As for whether or not it's true, I found it hard to believe, but really it doesn't matter - it has no effect on my life. Unlike that loon upthread, whose whole sense of self is wrapped up in whether or not people believe this dreck.

R143, you are an idiot. It's not cool to spread lies, which is what Scotty Bowers does with his nasty, totally uncorroborated book. I guess you think it's "fun" to read lies about long dead people who can't defend themselves. Oh well, what else can be expected of you? You're an idiot.

totally uncorroborated ?

R143 and R144 Seem rather invested in believing some things they don't actually know the veracity of . . .

I recall reading of an actor who was arrested in a gas station rest room---I'm thinking it was George Maharis---was this the same gas station that Scotty owned? And was that gas station rest room just a drive-in hook-up place for blowjobs?

Does the gas station Scotty owned still physically exist?

WTF are you talking about R144 and R146? I'm R143 and I said I found it hard to believe and I said it was NOT fun to read.

You freaks are reacting to the exact opposite of what I said.

R149. " it was NOT fun to read."" YEA STICK TO YOUR READING LEVEL DR. SEUSS. or enjoy the pictures

R149, You didn't hate Scotty enough, so you're "overly invested" or whatever.

Scotty was molested for the first time by a family friend when he was seven. He was 10-12 when he pimped himself out to priests in the Chicago Archdiocese. As others above have said, he doesn't realize how much he was damaged by this. Not only did it turn him into a sex addict, but he was unable to make true connections with his wife and daughter. He could only relate when it involved sex.

Unfortunately R152, I know a lot of people like this. Not even necessarily as a result of molestation. To be honest I think a disproportionate number of gay men can only relate to other men when it involves sex.

[quote]Benevides confirms it all, to the extent that he knows personally. The idea that Bowers would make up anything is laughable, he says. "Scotty Bowers is the most honest person I've known, with the best memory for names and places I've ever seen," he says. "If he tells you that something happened to somebody, that's the way it was."

Why, if Raymond Burr's ancient widow says that, that's good enough for me! Everything Scotty Bowers says must be absolutel gospel truth!!!

[quote] Later, he got paid in real estate. He's got a few homes.

He got paid for pimping in real estate? oh what horseshit.

Almost all realtors here in los angeles are or used to be whores. its how they get trained to sell. they start with their bodies, especially malibu realtors. they are the biggest whores

Please give it a rest, you tired cunt. Are you masturbating while posting vile diatribes? Sick.

"when in fact its you who display an unknowing innocence about the seedy side of Hollywood."

One thing I can say about this place, is that NOBOY here is naive or unknowing aboUt the seamy side of Hollywood/Broadway/Nashville/ Washington D.C.

"I recall reading of an actor who was arrested in a gas station rest room---I'm thinking it was George Maharis---was this the same gas station that Scotty owned? And was that gas station rest room just a drive-in hook-up place for blowjobs?"

Actually were there not at least 2 ? Van Johnson was caught in a Hollywood bathroom, and John Gielgud was caught in a London bathroom.

R78, who is that beautiful woman in the picture? Looks like Joan Crawford.

That's Melvyn LaTrobe.

Maharis was arrested twice for lewd conduct: in 1967 in the men's room of a Los Angeles restaurant, and in 1974 in the restroom of a Los Angeles gas station (with hairstylist Perfecto Telles). Don't know if it was Scotty's gas station though!

I believe the gas station rest room that was in vogue in the 60s-70s was a Union 76 on Robertson Blvd. Scotty's Arco gas station is now a fire house on Hollywood Blvd.

Scotty and his wife Lois:

The hair-pulling, vitriol-spewing drama queenettes on here crack me up. You're all tedious, destructive, and smelly. Now, make me a sandwich.

[𝙍64] 𝙢𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝙗𝙚 𝙧𝙚𝙩𝙖𝙧𝙙𝙚𝙙, 𝙗𝙚𝙘𝙖𝙪𝙨𝙚 𝙞𝙩 𝙞𝙨 𝙖 𝙛𝙖𝙘𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙎𝙥𝙚𝙣𝙘𝙚𝙧 𝙏𝙧𝙖𝙘𝙚𝙮 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙢𝙖𝙧𝙧𝙞𝙚𝙙 𝙩𝙤 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙬𝙞𝙛𝙚 𝙪𝙣𝙩𝙞𝙡 𝙝𝙚 𝙙𝙞𝙚𝙙 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙝𝙚 𝙙𝙞𝙙 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙖𝙛𝙛𝙖𝙞𝙧𝙨...𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙬𝙤𝙢𝙚𝙣. 𝙔𝙚𝙨, [𝙍64] 𝙢𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝙗𝙚 𝙧𝙚𝙩𝙖𝙧𝙙𝙚𝙙.

[quote] "[𝙍64] 𝙢𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝙗𝙚 𝙧𝙚𝙩𝙖𝙧𝙙𝙚𝙙, 𝙗𝙚𝙘𝙖𝙪𝙨𝙚 𝙞𝙩 𝙞𝙨 𝙖 𝙛𝙖𝙘𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙎𝙥𝙚𝙣𝙘𝙚𝙧 𝙏𝙧𝙖𝙘𝙚𝙮 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙢𝙖𝙧𝙧𝙞𝙚𝙙 𝙩𝙤 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙬𝙞𝙛𝙚 𝙪𝙣𝙩𝙞𝙡 𝙝𝙚 𝙙𝙞𝙚𝙙 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙝𝙚 𝙙𝙞𝙙 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙖𝙛𝙛𝙖𝙞𝙧𝙨...𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙬𝙤𝙢𝙚𝙣. 𝙔𝙚𝙨, [𝙍64] 𝙢𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝙗𝙚 𝙧𝙚𝙩𝙖𝙧𝙙𝙚𝙙."

R165, are you trying to say something? Did you want R64 or R164?

Oh Yea for sure...........IF A MAN HAS A WIFE AND PRODUCES SOME KIDS. ... HE JUST CANT HAVE SEX WITH MEN, its just not allowed on datalounge. IT NEVER HAPPENED. god how are you people so very very stupid? Wake up. happens every day around the world. Just because a man is not a flaming queen like the dumb twats who make up the stupid posts (except for me) on here, does not mean that the rest of the world is that stupid. god where , what little cave do you people live in??

Tracy wanted a divorce but his devout Catholic wife bitch wouldn't give him one. He didn't press it too hard avoid a press scandal hurting his career (somewhat at the studio's insistence). But they lived apart for decades.

The famous Scotty Bowers Richfield gas station on Hollywood Boulevard cnr Van Ness is visible in the distance in this photo. You're welcome.

"Scotty was molested for the first time by a family friend when he was seven. He was 10-12 when he pimped himself out to priests in the Chicago Archdiocese. As others above have said, he doesn't realize how much he was damaged by this. Not only did it turn him into a sex addict, but he was unable to make true connections with his wife and daughter. He could only relate when it involved sex."

This takes the cake for opinion stated as fact. Damaged my arse!

Googling 'Richfield gas station on Hollywood Boulevard' led me to this interesting page. The 'discussion' seems oddly familiar.

Scotty's Was the Infamous Gas Station-Brothel of 1940s Hollywood

Yes, the Curbed discussion tried and tried to find an image but never did. The one I posted is in the LA Library. Possibly the only one.

R170, I guess you wish you could have been one of those priests, or the family friend molester. Seek help.

R160 that's Capucine.

R169, thanks for the pic. Love rhe streetcar (named Desire?). Didn't know that there's a Van Ness in LA, as well as SF.

In his book, Scotty, as a "young pump attendants" reminisces about the gas station on Hollywood Blvd. and is fact checked by a curious reader.

I LOVE how the phone number for the gas station was "HO 4-9538."

R165 is retarded. He keeps reiterating that again and again. Which is even more proof of his mental retardation. What a retard!

Here's an excerpt from a review for Bower's crap book. It's from the Los Angeles Review of Books:

Bowers arrived in Los Angeles at the age of twenty-three, shortly after World War II. He claims to have become sexually active at a young age. According to him, servicing adult men in his small town caused him no psychic distress. On the contrary, he was ready and willing. He began pumping gas at a Hollywood service station, but it was only a matter of moments before he also began a side career as a prostitute, arranger of naked liaisons to the stars and secret proprietor of a makeshift brothel in a large trailer parked behind the station.

The purported spark to this clandestine wildfire was named Walter Pidgeon, Academy Award-nominated actor for Mrs. Miniver (1942) and Madame Curie (1943). Pidgeon drove up for some gasoline, propositioned Bowers, gave him some money when it was all over and that was that, the pump boy’s entrepreneurial light-bulb moment. Thanks to Pidgeon’s connections to the entertainment industry’s A-list, the station quickly became a kind of clubhouse/whorehouse, employing all of Bowers’s horniest, neediest, most open-minded pals, both male and female. They serviced, en masse, all manner of Hollywood hot shots, names both above and below the title, with Bowers using his legendary penis to satisfy more of the rich and famous than anyone could count, himself included. The way he tells it, the scene was a non-stop, barely contained bacchanal. Orgies of every stripe, down-low gangbangs arranged in a wink, you name it. Right out in the open. Vice squad eluded. Everybody getting all the hot monkey sex any human being could want or even contemplate handling. Then everyone got up at five o’clock in the morning to make their call time.

Sound impossible? No. It’s a big world, anything’s possible. But implausible? Hell yes.

R162 Perfecto Telles? Talking about being too gay to be true......

R80 Romina knew her dad was bi. Just like everyone knows Bore Vidal was a big time fucking gay. Ms Vidal was not bi in the slightest. Fucking 13 year old boys up the ass is statuary rape. Not to mention Bore lived with a man all his life while having illegal sex with young boys.

How come we never hear from Taryn Power? Back in the 70s I lived next door to her on Harratt Street and she was "dating" Richard Chamberlain. Bearding is more like it. Maybe she took a cue from Mom and thought I'll help this little closet case out. Or maybe Chamberlain used her. She was beautiful back then.

Richard Chamberlain and Taryn Power worked together on The Count of Monte Cristo.. They were just friends.

I thought the book was mostly BS...not that these things didn't happen, they just didn't happen on Scotty's watch. These are recycled old stories. I heard most of his tales long before he wrote a book about them.

And I love old gossip from the Golden Age. But Scotty Bowers and that liar Kenneth Anger, they have created works of fiction.

R182 Tyrone liked pussy but he also liked peen. Just ask the late Cesar Romero......she knew.

In OP's pic, Scotty looks a little like Brad Pitt. The thing I didn't understand/believe is that Scotty said he arranged all these "assignations" for his boys right there in the garage. That doesn't make sense. But as I read along, he said that there was a cottage or house in back of the gas station which would be more believable.

Thank you, R174. She's beautiful.

r187 beautiful and gay and she knew Scotty.

Good thread.

Everybody knew Scotty. He bartended private parties to the stars in their homes.

Scotty lives in the hollywood hills up laurel canyon. i thought it would be fun to have him bartend a party for me. he lives not too far away. be cool to hear this stuff first hand.

Maybe this has been suggested this before, but how about subjecting the old bastard to a lie detector test? I know he's 94 but he only has to sit there.

Scotty sounds senile. I think everything he says is a fantasy of his feeble, ancient swiss cheese brain.

R193=SuperMoron.

[quote]According to Reynolds, Berle would throw fancy parties and hire Scotty Bowers, a Hollywood party boy known for being well-endowed, to walk around with his man-parts on a silver tray surrounded by parsley and hors d’oeuvres. Berle would then laugh as guests casually picked at Bowers snack tray before finally realizing “they weren’t holding an actual sausage.”

I'm with what R19 said. I read Scotty's book recently and found it disgusting and improbable, but at the same time I can attest to his depiction of LA as a sexual playground full of pretty people where sex is super easy to come by and anything goes. I lived in West Hollywood throughout my 30s, and I'm a good looking guy, not VGL or A-list, but nevertheless, even for me I had an extremely satisfying and adventurous sex life that left no stone unturned. Be it a combination of the geography, the weather, the longitude, the latitude, the beautiful people, the liberal values (etc.), and the fact that I pursued it, that is the LA/Hollywood I experienced. For better or worse: my signature song was If They Could See Me Now. I look back on it now and say to myself 'I saw some crazy shit up in the hills."

I think Scotty's sexual mojo was tuned just right for the place and the time and he really ran with it. But he gets so much wrong it makes what might have been true easier to doubt. He says his personalized license plate made his car easier to spot, but his timeline doesn't line up with when plates like that were introduced.

[quote]Yes, Benevides admitted, it was Bowers who first "introduced" him to actor Raymond Burr in 1959. Yes, Bowers frequently "introduced" young gay guys to older men like Burr. Yes, Bowers took no money for making the "introduction.""Scotty just liked to make people happy," Benevides says. In fact, Benevides confirmed three of the most controversial claims in Full Service: that Bowers, now 88, was the go-to procurer for many Hollywood stars -- gay and straight -- in the pre-sexual revolution, pre-AIDS, pre-Craigslist, postwar era; that he gladly shared his sex partners of both genders; and that he was not a "pimp" in the traditional sense because he collected money only when he personally serviced the customer.

[quote]In the book, Bowers mentions that, in the mid-'50s, he posed for a trio of "French postcards," featuring himself having sex with women of various ethnicities. At an event at the West Hollywood Library earlier this month, a man in attendance actually produced a set of the cards and handed them to Bowers. "They were old and faded, but exactly as Scotty had described them to me," says Bowers' co-writer, Emmy Award-winning documentary producer Lionel Friedberg. "Scotty with three different women: white, black and Asian."

[quote]And at a signing at Book Soup, a man who claimed to be the grandson of actor Walter Pidgeon, Bowers' very first star trick, in 1946, said he was impressed by Bowers and did not dispute anything he wrote. A man who claimed to have had a six-month affair with Rock Hudson in 1958 agreed that Bowers got it right. And noted writer and historian David Ehrenstein, who said he had researched director George Cukor's archives for his own book, reported that Bowers was mentioned frequently by Cukor -- who introduced him to Tracy and Hepburn.

[quote]“Old Hollywood people who have, shall we say, known him would tell me stories,” said Matt Tyrnauer, a writer for Vanity Fair and the director of the 2008 documentary “Valentino: The Last Emperor.” “But whenever I followed up on what would obviously be a great story, I was told, ‘Oh, he’ll never talk.’ ”

[quote]“He needs to brace himself for attacks,” said William J. Mann, the author of celebrity biographies like “Kate: The Woman Who Was Hepburn,” which details what he says was Hepburn’s lesbianism and Tracy’s bisexuality, using Mr. Bowers (identified as Scotty) as one of several sources. “Some of the pushback is going to be homophobia,” Mr. Mann added. “But there will also be people who say he’s making it up to sell books and others who say why can’t you let these people rest in peace.”

"Ancient swiss cheese brain"

With a side order of syph.

I found Scotty's Q&A interesting.

Oh THAT'S why this thread is so insane and someone is so invested in making everyone believe this! Because alcoholic blowhard David Urinestain promoted it.

Christ, now I know this is all 100% fiction.

Without a picture of his legendary man parts, who really cares?

And concerns about defaming the defenseless dead?

A friend, now deceased, who knew Scotty said that SB most certainly was paid for his services as a pimp to the stars, but that he had to state in his book that his activities were pro bono to protect himself from the IRS.

Everything my good friend Scotty wrote in his book is 100% true, just like mine.

Homos are the worst homophobes............god that is so very true. especially when its hollywood. god forbid that our MOVIE STAR IDOLS be gay. thats why all of you in the fly over states will not STFU about the book telling the truth. its true . its . all true. hollywood is as sick and sexual as can be. parents bring their young kids here to be sold for stardom. straight men and women are not straight, or gay for pay . now just get over it you morons. wake up

R205, it may be time to get your therapist on the phone.

R206. thanks. Actually my therapist posts here so i am sure he will read this. Dr. Klein.... this is B.J. i post here on datalounge but its become more and more frustrating because it seems daily that total losers with no life what so ever or life experience come to post their very ignorant comments. They believe nothing about real life is true thats posted because they have no life. most are uber drivers and staff at starbucks with little or nothing to share in the way of interesting life experience. Dr. as you know i have pretty much been everywhere done everything and everyone (who is or was hot) . i mean i know its a good thing that i come here to share with the ignorant but its really become tiresome trying to educate morons.........what to do?

I think it's time for you to log-off and reevaluate your priorities. We've talked about this, BJ.

I posted a number of the posts above quoting different sources, not to try to prove anything one way or another (since I have no idea what's really true), but simply to offer some context, to show that Bowers had a reputation long before he helped write that book.

And, as some others have posted, Hollywood is nothing like the image it attempts to project. Lots of shady and sordid behavior, even among those who are usually considered 'respected'. Look at Sammy Davis Jr, alone: renting out a theatre to show 'Deep Throat' to a number of celebrity friends (including Lucille Ball) and then learning how to deep throat from Linda Lovelace herself. And his involvement in the Church of Satan. Johnny Carson's ancient producer, Fred DeCordova had a wife who offered the best rolled joints in Hollywood (her Mexican maid was the expert). All those parties at the Playboy Mansion, with Bill Cosby and James Caan always ending up in 'The Grotto'. Jackie Cooper, at 17, having an affair with a much older Joan Crawford.

Either way, I don't have a dog in this race. If even a third of what is in the book is true, it's still pretty shocking.

R209==Dr.Phil...........excuse me Dr.Phil but i believe the statement is "I dont have a dog in THIS FIGHT or a horse in this race"...........also you can use "this is not my first time to the rodeo"

I was reading today via Twitter an article on Cary Grant. I never knew that in the early days he and his boyfriend Orry Kelly ran a speakeasy, and later a casino! Or that when he became engaged to Virginia Cherril, Randolf Scott attempted suicide! I went to Wikipedia to read more & there was nothing & looked back over the Talk archive for the article & a vote had been taken not to include it! Will be interesting to see what the movie says.

[quote] I LOVE how the phone number for the gas station was "HO 4-9538."

That's the way the phone numbers were most everywhere back then. Our number was "belmont 7-8950. Or BE7 (237).

Scotty Bowers had definite Hollywood good looks when he was a young man. I can certainly see why the old chicken hawks would have wanted to sex him up when he was a kid.

Somehow I imagine the big fucking dick had something to do with it as well r213.

I read the book and what made it hard to believe is the breezy, happy-go-lucky, everyone-I-meet-is-up-for-gay-sex point of view. Even when Scotty gets pulled over by a cop, it ends up being sex. He seems to never have run into a single person adverse to homosex. I've lived in Hollywood for 30 years and it is very liberal but you still get turned down or run into the occasional 100% straight man or woman here. Or even the occasional homophobe. According to Scotty, that wasn't the case in the much more progressive 40s and 50s? Very lol. But, if true, his life sounds like a complete dreamworld.

I don't believe most of what he wrote. Vivien Leigh buying rent boys? Nahhhh. Or any of the crap about Spencer Tracy either. And as much as I despise Wallis Simpson and that pussy whipped Duke of hers, it it too preposterous to believe. Maybe some of it is true, but a lot of his anecdotes are embellished or outright fabrications.

I didn't read the book, but obviously r215 Bowers isn't going to talk about getting pulled over for just a speeding ticket and nothing else happened. He wrote a book about the highlights of his life.

Duh, of course the book seemed like every man he came into contact with ended up with sex. Why would he write about all the regular interactions he had with people all his life which I'm quite sure were infinitely more numerous than the sex hookups. No one wants to read about the boring parts of his life.

[quote]Look at Sammy Davis Jr, alone: renting out a theatre to show 'Deep Throat' to a number of celebrity friends (including Lucille Ball) and then learning how to deep throat from Linda Lovelace herself.

Like hell I was gonna talk her out of that!

R218. it was a great book very honest and i would like to meet him. unlike you who i am sure is very BORING

R218, of course people want to read about his "boring parts." He made a living from his boring parts.

OP, what is SB's right hand clutching in that photo?

R220 I was defending Bowers to R215 who seems to think it's all bullshit. I read the book long ago and loved it, and believe every word of it.

Such a fine looking lad.

Sadly that old bitch The Sands Of Time has had her way with him.

At least he's still hauling that whopper around in his slacks.

R226 trust me i have seen it happen if you have a whooper everyeone will still come for a bite, even if you look like that

We're all time's bitches. No one stays young and beautiful forever.

R194 = Super Retard Who Will Believe Anything

"I read the book long ago and loved it, and believe every word of it."

You must be very, very gullible and or stupid. There is no evidence to support anything Bowers says. You have to take it on faith. That's very, very stupid.

R230 = Tyrone Power, Jr.

R99 Any claims of a Beaton-Garbo affair come only from Beaton himself. No biographer of Garbo claims it's true.

Did she experiment with men when she was young? I'd imagine she did. But by the time she met that nitroglycerine queen Beaton, she was a dyke who dressed in men's clothing 99% of the time.

[quote]It will be interesting if this changes the minds of the doubters.

No. DL is no longer a gossip site. The fanfrauen and PR shills who've invaded despise real gossip. That's why most gossip threads are grayed out, from being FF'd into oblivion.

Ooh. I'm looking forward to this.

A new pic of Mr Bowers in his meaty prime.

I love Scotty B for sharing his stories. The old Hollywood crowd still living knows this is all true and most of them were part of it, but Scotty's the only one talking.

Stefanie Powers and Robert Wagner woo were close to Roddy M need to spill. They know everything.

"The old Hollywood crowd still living knows this is all true and most of them were part of it, but Scotty's the only one talking."

You don't speak for the "old Hollywood crowd", hon. Most of them are dead. In fact, ALL of the people Bowers claims to have sex with are dead. Which is just one reason why his tales are absurd and unbelievable. You can say anything about someone who is dead, but if they're alive, they can sue you. Which is why old Scotty waited as long as he did to come out with his bullshit. He waited until all the famous people he says he fucked DIED so he could lie about them. What a disgusting piece of shit he is.

I read it as well R3, he's a fame whore, name dropper, and full of shite.

Fame whore? He can barely get out of a chair. He wanted to get his stories out before he dies and I'm glad he did.

Mrs. Spencer Tracy wanted to avoid a divorce because she enjoyed the social prestige of being Mrs. Spencer Tracy, not because of religion (I believe she was a Protestant, he was the Roman Catholic in the marriage). She had spent decades creating and working on the John Tracy Clinic for deaf children, and the social aspects of being the wife of a big movie star helped with that. Tracy was quoted as telling Joan Fontaine that his wife and Kate were satisfied with the arrangement, though I expect that Mrs. Tracy was more 'in denial' than 'accepting'.

R238......you are so very dumb that you dont even realize how dumb you are.......lol, classic........"" He waited until all the famous people he says he fucked DIED so he could lie about them. What a disgusting piece of shit he is."""...........haaaaa, 238, wins idiot of the year award

R242, is obviously, VERY obviously, retarded. Or maybe R242 is senile Scotty. Anyway, it's obvious that the poor soul is an inbecile. Poor thing.

R243. Stop. anyone on this board that use the word "sweetie" is some fat old alan carr queen in a caftan. go tend to your poodles you messed old twat. you dont want to believe this guys book because you live such a boring and pathetic life. so go back to it. loser homo

Hollywood has never been able to resist a big dick, a handsome face, and a pleasant personality. Scotty had all three and figured out how to make money with what he had. When Walter Pidgeon pulled into his gas station in his robin's egg blue Lincoln, Scotty took advantage of his gifts to get more gifts, just like most people would have done. He wasn't a drunk or druggie so he managed to keep a lot of what he had. Personally, I wouldn't care for a man stirring my cocktail with his dick. Or to find one in a hot dog roll on a tray. He did some weird things but he will leave his wife lots of money and real estate. I'm sure the IRS doesn't know the half of what Scotty has.

I wonder how much he made from the book alone. EVERYone read it. I went to visit a friend in Palm Springs when it came out and we both got copies and sat by the pool all day and read them. He didn't believe it. I did. But he must have sold millions. And now the documentary.

First footage from the doco released..

Interestingly, the director says they had to cut out the section of him speaking about Tyrone Power because test audiences didn't know who he was! This could be the most upsetting thing for DL!!

Actually, I could imagine that the audience would be unfamiliar with most of the figures from the book.

There does seem to be one point where truth is evaded for legal purposes: Money does seem to have changed hands. This is from Cecil Beaton's diary:

“Scotty is a phenomenon. I heard several years ago that the police had caught up with him ... I only had a telephone number, now surely in disrepair. But no. Although I woke him early, his voice was as cheerful as ever. It is five years since I’ve seen him ... I asked him how much I owed him and he suggested a sum much smaller than I knew was customary.”

First review is in. It makes mention of the several houses he owns... presumably those that were gifted to him in the will of the actor Beech Dickserson. So those who claimed the book 'was all about money' would be somewhat wide of the mark.

So if there was a fake gas station in Hollywood meant for hookups, what did they do when real customers pulled up for gas? Tell them they were dry? Wouldn't people in the area eventually get suspicious when a gas station never had any gas?

It was a real gas station, where they sold gas and ass. I'd still like to know more about the cute blond on the right in OP's pic.

Do we have any idea who those two big-boned "gals" at R251 are? Was that taken just before a threeway?

Review of the doc.

How did Scotty meet people? Obviously he was hooking up stars with nobodies. How did he meet both sets of people?

Two thoughts: First, the Duke of Windsor was called "David" by his family, but there is no evidence of his friends calling him "David." I don't think Bower calling him "Eddie" rather than "David" sheds light on Bower's honesty. Also, regarding the continual attempted put-down in calling people "retarded": Why is that an insult? People who are mentally retarded (or, intellectually challenged, if you like) are human beings like the rest of us; they have a disability. Is that a reason to use their diagnosis as a label? Frankly, I think it's pretty inhumane to use "retarded" as an insult.

In those days all gas stations had attendants who pumped the gas so one was obliged to speak with the attendant who then pumped the gas, took your money and gave you change,

Perfect job for a pimp.

If anyone had Netflix watch the Orry Kelly doc. Scotty is in it.

Fill'er up, and I'm not talking about the car.

/eyebrow waggle

Max, Joe and I need to stop by Scotty's station to place an order.

[quote]Two thoughts: First, the Duke of Windsor was called "David" by his family, but there is no evidence of his friends calling him "David." I don't think Bower calling him "Eddie" rather than "David" sheds light on Bower's honesty.

I agree. The debunkers made a big issue of this but the point is that happy-go-lucky Bowers was meeting HRH in a sexual context where none of the usual allowances applied. Like most people HRH would have compartmentalised it. We also knowfrom Charlie's stories here that HRH was an active seeker of cock!

"I agree. The debunkers made a big issue of this but the point is that happy-go-lucky Bowers was meeting HRH in a sexual context where none of the usual allowances applied. Like most people HRH would have compartmentalised it."

You (and other like you) are idiots. All the proof Bowers has of his fucking "Eddie and Wally" is that he said he did. Anyone who believes anything Bowers says takes it on faith. And THAT is stupid beyond belief.

Anyone who believes Bowers is of the same type as the guy who believed "Pizzagate' and stormed a pizza parlor with guns in order to expose Hillary Clinton's child sex trafficking ring. The EXACT same type.

r264 Yes, every PR-unfriendly thing being said or written about a celeb or rich is a vicious lie or elsewise false.

r263

What follows might be disillusioning to some

Mr. Bowers claims that one of his sex pals was Vivien Leigh. It's known she was bipolar, and people with that can be sexually compulsive. If we believe him, they may have "known" each other during the filming of Streetcar. In that case how much might his input have contributed to her remarkable performance in that? There is a line Blanche has in that when she's admitting to Mitch that she gas a "past" and talks about looking for sex "in the unlikeliest of places" and there is such a look of self-disgust on her face. Was VL thinking of Scotty? He claims that, after they had sex, she'd berate him and kick him out, IIRC.

His comments about George Cukor made me instantly question the whole book. A well known and highly discrete snob like Cukor would not have been "a great guy" to someone like Scotty. The book is bullshit mixed with rehashed gossip.

I could have done without R-263 being dug out of his shithole and presented to the public.

r267, Cukor's rule was giving walk-ons to boyfriends in his movies but no more. He was aware that a lot of money was sunk into movies and big roles were no place for the untalented.

Scotty bartended Beverly Hills parties including Cukor's and provided rent boys for Cukor so of course Cukor had an amiable relationship with Scotty.

Hardly the relationship suggested by the book. The whole thing is trash.

R267, you're probably right. However, Scotty doesn't sound like a very nuanced guy, just a walking cock. So I can imagine that he might call anyone who paid him regularly and ontime a "great guy."

"Mr. Bowers claims that one of his sex pals was Vivien Leigh."

Yeah, right! As Blanche DuBois would say, "Lunacy, absolute lunacy!"

Hollywood was a small perverse town. They all fucked each other.

R73, As Blanche Devereaux would say, "Hell-OO, Mr. Bowers!"

I think Hepburn mostly hung with the smart, upper class set. Find it hard to believe she would use a gas station attendant to procure pussy. But, yes, I believe she was gay.

Why you sour bitches are so invested in pissing on this is mystifying. The likes of Jim Carrey, Charlie Sheen and Usher are all involved in louche shenanigans today that you'd be denying in the same way if it wasn't confirmed officially. Why wouldn't rich , bored, spoiled people be engaging in whatever they want to indulge themselves in? As for Vivien Leigh being above it all, there's a documentary on her on Youtube where a society dowager recalls being invited by Leigh to tea and being kept waiting as her hostess was in the park being fucked by rough trade. If you uptight old girls had any experience of what actually goes on in life you would run out of smelling salts.

Many people who go into acting are highly insecure and are desperately looking for affirmation; that often comes in the form of sex. Many rationalize their behavior by claiming they are artists and creative souls. I place no judgment on that, but it has been my experience as a psychologist with actors.

[quote]DL is no longer a gossip site. The fanfrauen and PR shills who've invaded despise real gossip. That's why most gossip threads are grayed out, from being FF'd into oblivion.

Amen, btother!

[quote]If you uptight old girls had any experience of what actually goes on in life you would run out of smelling salts.

A lot of them sound like Republican housewives from Kansas.

It is well documented that VIvien fucked around quite a bit during her manic episodes. I imagine if she or someone on her behalf called for rent boys it was to keep it out of the gossip pages. Though I don't know if that kind of thing would have been reported at the time.

The few alive today support bowers. Raymond burrs partner for example. So there is truth in his stories.

There's a new poster featuring the young Bowers. Holy schmoly: as the Brit tablods would say -- Wot A Stunna! And that's even aside from the happy nature & reported big cock. No wonder they were queuing up. I would be too!

If Spencer Tracy's wife was OK with his arrangement with Hepburn it was for one main reason. Because there was no love affair with Hepburn that needed arranging. Tracy and Hepburn's "romance" was a carefully concocted sham they themselves concocted in order to keep the meddlesome press of the day (mainly that vicious old hag Hedda Hopper & the scandal rag Confidential) from writing anything that might blow their covers since both of them enjoyed same sex relations with others. Their's was a non-sexual affair of convenience, nothing more.

Thank you, Louella Parsons, for that scoop!

I saw the premiere of this the film at TIFF and Scotty was there for the Q &A. While the film was a little uneven I found it very interesting. IMHO most of it was plausible but Scotty seemed to have signs of questionable judgement or mental health issues.

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He must have been a seriously craptastic actor. With looks like his, back then it was much easier to break into the business. I'm sure he had the chance at some point.

[quote]Fucking 13 year old boys up the ass is statuary rape.

OUCH!

And "oh, dear."

He's 94 years old. He more than likely suffers from some level of senile dementia. There are very few people his age who don't have some sort of mental impairment.

Except, r283, as millions have pointed out to you already, Spencer Tracy had a wife and 2 kids and had no need to beard with Hepburn to throw off the scents of Hedda Hopper and other scandal mongers.

What was he asked at the Q&A?

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I believe some of it. He was probably trade at the gas station he worked at and let a few guys blow him for a ten spot. From that he may have hooked up with a B- star or two. The part most believable is the brief part when talks about his childhood. Getting spare change to sit on old guys laps and wiggle around until the came. So a sexually abused child grows up to be a sex worker/addict. Not a huge revelation.

Tracy 'mentored' Tom Drake and Van Johnson. I always found that interesting.

First thing I've read of Astaire actually being bi but quelle surprise.

Laurents in his book says there were rumors about Gene Kelly. Was this his way of saying Kelly was at least bi without being sued by the Kelly widow or children? He 'mentored' that very cute guy who does Beautiful Girls in SITR didn't he?

Also the Tyrone Powers excuse is bullshit. Anybody interested in this doc would know who he was. Otherwise audiences wouldn't know a soul. I have no doubt it was Powers' children who threatened to sue. Doesn't he have a daughter who is very protective of his legacy?

In the Adele/Fred Astaire bio Adele is quoted as saying that Gershwin was not heterosexual. She goes on to say if he had been she would have known. Then she says but neither was he homosexual he was asexual.

Also Ball did nude photos so isn't it possible she paid for her dinners and did not go dutch? I'm sure there are lots of interesting stories about our most revered icons(look at American hero racist anti semitic Nazi Lindbergh.)

Bowers of course had to wait until everyone was dead otherwise he would have been sued up the kazoo.

As somebody already said sleeping with someone gets you halfway there but talent gets you to the top.

The only thing I truly don't believe is the shit sandwiches. How would you get them down without choking on them and you would constantly be ill with all kinds of hepatitis and other bacteria.

While I think woods a creepy guy. Do people realize that pedophilia signifies someone who is attracted to children. While hebephilia is when someone is interested in young teenagers. There is a difference while both are looked down upon one is taboo and beyond the pale.

It's a point of law that you can't defame the dead R294 so there's no way Power's descendants would have a case, even aside from the fact calling someone homosexual/bisexual is no longer considered slander.

There's an interview on YouTube with an old actress who dated Power saying she believed " he swung both ways" as he was always hanging out with Cesar Romero who was, she says, completely gay.

It's long been known George Gershwin was gay -- although not a fact you'll find on Wikipedia where all the Golden Years stars are straight, and rigorously policed to stay that way!

As for Astaire....

A lot of these people sound like the pansexual type. Life was a party of fame, money and unrestricted sex. No rules applied, except keep it out of the press. If Scotty established himself as someone who could be trusted not to blab, then it's easy to see why he would be popular. Easy to imagine how much he relished his role with the stars as well.

R289, in that case, how reliable would his book from a few years back have been, one wonders.

An absence of relationships with women does not prove there were relationships with men.

It is well known Hart was gay but what proof is there that Gershwin was?

R294 for people who are deeply into scat (to the point of eating it) human feces is a delicacy. Yes, it's sickening to think people like that exist, but they do. It's some sort of mental fixation. It's just a worse fixation than the people (many gay guys for example) who are deeply into water sports and enjoy having other men piss into their mouths and drinking it. It's just a short skip and a jump over to frosting a cake with ass pudding.

R301 I don't know If I should thank you for that explanation or not.

R296 so why was Power cut out? Their excuse makes no sense in a film about old Hollywood when he was one of its biggest stars.

R275, after Blanche's experience with her closeted husband, I think it's safe to say that seeing Scotty Bowers, who was a flaming queen, would have made her run screaming for the hills.

"It is well known Hart was gay but what proof is there that Gershwin was?"

There isn't any. He was very into women. No proof exists that he ever had a sexual relationship with a man. But some people WANT the brilliant George Gershwin to have been gay, so that say things like "he wanted to hid the fact he was gay by fucking lots and lots of women!" Simone Simon, a French film actress, said that she thought that Gershwin must be gay because when they were on a trip together, he never laid a hand on her. Or maybe it was just that he wasn't interested in fucking her. Attempts to make George Gershwin out to be gay seem to be rather desperate.

If Fat Jack had a dark, stinky, one bedroom apartment and showed old movies on a bed sheet for young twinks and fed the poor urchins then pimped them out, yes, I remember that greasy fat fuck well. Only in Hollywood adjacenct would this happen. ( R91 )

Can hardly believe someone else had contact or met this creature and posted it here. Life's little mysteries.

Totally different book but the Mapplethorpe bio goes into details about his preference for all things fecal. Also that he had health issues because of it long before he contracted HIV.

Thank you for telling me that R301

I totally believe the Vivien Leigh part.

[quote]You don't speak for the "old Hollywood crowd", hon. Most of them are dead. In fact, ALL of the people Bowers claims to have sex with are dead. Which is just one reason why his tales are absurd and unbelievable. You can say anything about someone who is dead, but if they're alive, they can sue you. Which is why old Scotty waited as long as he did to come out with his bullshit. He waited until all the famous people he says he fucked DIED so he could lie about them. What a disgusting piece of shit he is.

This is the most stupid take on libel laws I have ever read. Even on Datalounge.

r301 totally not true. Pissing is one thing, scat is a HUGE difference. Most gay guys i know have had an experience or two with watersports, but scat no way, too big of a leap.

Furthermore [quote]Urine "is relatively clean," says Goldfarb. "Most people don't have urinary tract infections." This may be the source of the belief that urine makes a good antiseptic — and that urinating on a wound can disinfect it, a practice purportedly going back to the Aztecs.

Unlike shit which is full of nasty pathogens

r233 & r279 From someone that has worked in the PR/Marketing entertainment industry for over 20 years, no one In Hollywood knows of Datalounge. DL is way too small for anyone to care, hence there is no hiring of PR hacks to FF your threads. Some of you guys are clearly delusional!

r310 - wrong!

[quote]It seems that, whenever a notorious celebrity dies, tell-all biographies appear within a few months -- or even weeks -- filled with unflattering new disclosures. One explanation for this phenomenon is (to quote Judge Robert Sack, the author of one of the two leading treatises on libel): The dead have no cause of action for defamation under the common law, and neither do their survivors, unless the words independently reflect upon and defame the survivors.

Wallis Simpson did she really learn how to please a man sexually in a bordello in china? Or is that made up?

George Gershwin was gay. Gay, gay, gay. It's one of the better coverups of American cultural history, but given that until a few years ago Henry James, Walt whitman, And thomas Eatkins were rigorously described as straight or asexual, and any scholar who suggested otherwise risked their career progression, not the least surprising. And yes: there is evidence -- more than enough for him to be claimed as heerosexual if the situation was reversed. But hetersexual fascism continues to prevail.

Who is the woman in the OP image??

Princess Margaret, Rose.

R215, you are entirely wrong about Whitman. His sexuality has been accepted by scholars and critics for at least 60 years, actually longer. The translation from French of Roger Asselineau's biography "The Evolution of Walt Whitman: The Creation of a Personality" in 1960 not only continued the general acceptance of Whitman's gayness that had been discussed in earlier biographies such as Gay Wilson Allen's "The Solitary Singer" but also began a reconsideration of the development of Whitman's canon by viewing it in terms of his sexuality. The reconsideration was so complete that by the time I started graduate school in the early 1980s, the subject was almost considered old hat.

"This is the most stupid take on libel laws I have ever read. Even on Datalounge."

You're moronic, as R313 has succinctly proven.

"George Gershwin was gay. Gay, gay, gay."

There's no real evidence that Gershwin was gay, just innuendo. You just WANT him to be "gay, gay, gay."

R314 While Wallis did spend some time in Shanghai (she called them her "Lotus Years"... how chic!), the bordello rumors are generally considered not be true.

R318 above should be referencing R315, not R215.

A recent pic, maybe at a booksigning, showed him with Anne Jeffries, who just left us at 94.

Another Friend of Scotty at the doc premiere.

r324, who's she:?

r321, it a well-documented fact that Wallis Simpson was a hermaphrodite.

"Friend of Scotty"--is that anything like a Friend of Dorothy?

It is not at all documented that Wallis Simpson was a hermaphrodite. It's been speculated upon, but not by anyone who knew her.

Forget Wallis Simpson being a hermaphrodite; there were rumors that she was a MAN. Of course that was not true, but it is proof that people were willing to believe just about anything about her.

[quote][R314] While Wallis did spend some time in Shanghai (she called them her "Lotus Years"... how chic!), the bordello rumors are generally considered not be true.

He was very small and a premature ejaculator. She used an old trick where she would lock onto the base of the royal scepter with her vaginal muscles, thus allowing him complete satisfaction. I believe the technique became known as the "Windsor Knot."

Watched the documentary yesterday and loved it. Fascinating to me, just watching his current life, the relationship with his wife, the obvious hoarding issues he has (you should see his houses). They also go and meet up with a couple of his former rent boys who corroborate some of the stories.

R313 No one is disputing that you can't libel the dead.

But it rather stupid to infer that that necessarliy means anyone writing about the dead is lying.

There are many reasons not to write the truth about people while they are alive. For instance, they can sue you and (barring proof by you) win. People get sued for inconvenient truths all the time.

You may also not want to embarrass them while they are alive.

[quote]But it rather stupid

Should be "But it is rather stupid"

After watching this fascinating documentary, I immediately cleaned my house.

If you've seen the film, you'll understand!

I was visiting a friend out in Palm Springs. We both went to the book store and bought Scotty's book the day it came out and sat around the pool the whole afternoon reading it. When we were done, my friend didn't believe it and I believed it 100%. Not only that, I kinda fell in love with old Scotty. When I saw the documentary I loved him even more. Sure he's a hoarder and that's kind of sad. I just figured he's been through so much in his life, WWII, his brother's death, his daughter's death, the love for first wife, etc., that he had to push it all down deep inside since he doesn't believe in therapy, And that's how it came out. The hoarding.

R334, You mean the daughter's death that he was so distraught about he went out hooking the night of her funeral?

That's Holland Taylor, r324. So how long has Scotty been retired from procuring...?

R144, Bitter much? Self-hating much?

Perhaps you'd like to call Raymond Burr's partner and tell him how 'totally uncorroborated" it was.

[quote]You mean the daughter's death that he was so distraught about he went out hooking the night of her funeral?

Yes. Part of what he "pushed down" and what has emerged as hoarding IMO.

Scotty needs that Kondo lady to pay him a visit.