Was Diana just a "yacht girl" at the end?

Diana would've been nobody without her marriage to Charles. By age 19, she was working menial jobs like nanny, party hostess, and pre-school assistant, because she was doing nothing else with her life. She was the archetypal 'poor, little rich girl.' Also, she was not academically bright and dropped out of university. Her engagement to Charles at 19 was a blessing in disguise. It gave her a purpose (i.e., being 'Princess Diana'). But that wouldn't have been possible if not for her connections. Even as late as 1981, the male heir to the throne had to marry a virgin but she couldn't be a commoner. (I believe Kate Middleton broke that archaic tradition.) Diana's family had been allied with the royal family for generations and was nobility herself. She checked off all the boxes, which is why her engagement to Charles was approved. More like arranged, but that's another can of worms. At any rate, she became world superstar on the basis of her marriage.

Like Lohan, I'm sure she was also fortune hunting by the end. Wasn't there a Pakistani doctor she was seriously involved with, just before Dodi? I think her relationship with Dodi was a rebound summer fling. And now they're joined together for eternity!

Diana had the good sense to only do a few seasons on the pass around yacht tours, before arranging to have a driver slam into a wall.

Lohan didn't start out as such a big trophy and she's now spent too many years as her value decreases every year.

She was planning to give up her humanitarian activities at the time she died. Yes, she was warm-hearted and achieved things, but I always thought they were a typical socialite's activities until she landed her next man.

Please r1. Those types of jobs are acceptable placeholders. If she had not met Charles, one of her sisters or classmates would've introduced her to some equally dim fellow from a good family and she would have lived out her life on a country estate with a brood of kids. I guess you would describe it as being a nobody. I don't think the world would've suffered.

R5 if she hadn't been in the spotlight, her fate might've been more tragic. The woman had mental issues dating back to childhood. Her sudden fame just exacerbated everything. But at least she had people around her who took care of her. Had she not been a 'princess,' she probably would've killed herself long ago or wound up dead somehow. She was a mess! Her marriage to Charles made things worse, but at least she's remembered as the benevolent Princess Diana.

Did she fake her own death?

The Spencers were commoners, not royalty. Diana was the first commoner to marry the British crown prince since the 17th c.

She was a dumb, giddy teenager who was able to run wild with the "Princess" thing. She did not have what it took to truly fit and maintain that kind of dignified position. If you listen to or read things like the transcripts from the "squidgy" tapes, she comes off like a trashy teenager - every other word is "fucken", etc. A local journalist said that Prince Andrew came off the same way when he met him at a party in the US some years ago (in the 80s). The British aristocracy have largely lost their class. They are now just common people with a lot of money in the bank who chew gum and listen to rap and had famous ancestors.

[quote]Was Diana just a "yacht girl" at the end?

That's MISS ROSS to you!

Diana was both elegant and down-to-earth and a breath of fresh air for the royal family. She was too good for Charles and afterwards they just tossed her by the wayside. The prick even stripped her of her title.

A lovely person who did a lot of humanitarian work including those with AIDS.

She wasn't a yacht girl but rather someone who was trying to find her place in the world after her fallout with the royals. A special person who was loved by the whole world.

R11 I think you're looking at the past with rose-tinted glasses. Prior to her death, most people were sick of Diana. My family had a subscription to People (and other rags) at the time, and I distinctly recall readers complaining about too much Diana coverage. Many fraus who would go on to sanctify her not long after, were bitching about her 'debauchery' lifestyle, thinking she was neglecting her sons for men. She also didn't come across very well to many people, when she started to use the media against the royals, especially Charles. Dying young was a great career move for her. She suddenly became a saint.

Kate did indeed break with tradition. She did the yacht girl thing first then got married. In another curious twist, she concentrated on the Fort Lauderdale yachting circuit. Truly, she is a very inspirational young lady and probably why yachting has the reputation of elegance and excellence it enjoys today.

I disagree r6. Being put in the spotlight with no support is what exacerbated her mental condition. She realized she had signed up for a lifetime in the House of Horrors with all the wax dummies and *everyone* told her she had to smile and play along.

Versus a quiet life in the country raising a family and, I dunno, complaining about her overbearing mother-in-law and rising school fees.

R14 she still had mental issues. She still would've struggled, emotionally. It's not like she would've had a nice, quiet, happy life had she not married Charles. She was floundering when she became engaged to him. Her complexes/insecurities would've materialized, regardless. (They just became front-page news worldwide, because of her new status.) And she most likely would've been through several failed marriages. Toward the end, Diana was leaning on her oldest, William, for emotional support. That's too much burden on a 15-year-old. She would've done the same to whatever kids she would've had with whoever. Diana was very self-absorbed. I'm sure she loved her kids in her own way, but it was always about her.

OMG OP, you're a fucking idiot. She is from posh and titled family. she doesn't even need to work. she did it coz she enjoyed it! what a stupid cunt you are!

She was just a DNA donor to The Firm.

Fortunately for her, she made her own life for herself without them.

Very few people are highly intelligent at age 19. They're too busy with other important things ( drugs, alcohol, thuggery) especially in America.

And you must be a rousind, rip roaring success, OP.

At least she wasn't living in her mother's old basement like so many of you.

Diana sure liked her long-term men filthy rich. Didn't matter if they were rather ugly (Charles) or homely / sleazy (Dodi).

If Charles and Dodi had not been multi-millionaires / sons of billionaires, it's unlikely she would have given them a second glance.

R19 she was living in a very expensive London apartment paid for by her mother. That's the rich equivalent of living in your mom's basement, no?

I remember the big fuss about her being a "commoner" at the time lol. Look how common they went after her. Harry will probably marry someone who did porn.

excuse me, didn't you read about the millions she received in her divorce settlement?

Her life really seemed fun to me after she was done with the so called royals. She no longer had the responsibility of royal duty. She got a nice settlement from Charles. Which would have more than held her together until she found some wealthy tycoon to marry. She was basically an international jetsetting socialite with a Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian like celebrity status. She didn't have to work. Life was pretty much good for her and her two sons until that tragic accident in Paris.

RIP DIANA!!!!!

Yes, R23 - and that greedy lady wanted more. It was no accident that she hooked up with a billionaire's son & heir.

^Or did you mean Markle? It's hard to keep track of these money-loving social climbers.

England loves our Diana. Nothing some bitter gay man spews will ever change that.

And America is stuck with the Curse Of King Donald The First.

Good luck with that. . . . . . .

:-(

^Says a person who has Boris freaking Johnson managing the country's foreign policy. LOL

R27 I'm not OP, though I did post a few times here, but I wouldn't consider myself bitter. Just pointing out facts. Diana has become glorified beyond belief, but in her lifetime she was as much hated as loved.

^^For the chest-thumping Brit upthread - you have your own Donald.

The similarity is really uncanny. Both are bumbling fools, elevated by the populace into positions of great power.

R27 you may love her and have many priceless Franklin Mint plates with her face on but please don't speak for all of England. I know many, many British people who think she was an attention seeking wreck.

In the weeks before her death the tabloids were full of nothing but scorn for her and her cheap look-at-me antics. I worked in the U.K., I rarely met anyone who had a good word to say about her if she came up in conversation. Her sudden death at a young age catapulted her into the realm of sickly sanctity by the hard of thinking- the same who were calling her a home wrecking slut the week before she died.

It seems to me that the pool of potential suitors for Diana after her divorce was rather limited. Who would have wanted to put up with the insane media attention that surrounded her?

"It seems to me that the pool of potential suitors for Diana after her divorce was rather limited. Who would have wanted to put up with the insane media attention that surrounded her?"

This is exactly why Di ended up slumming it with the Kardashian-esque Fayed family. Dodi was a playboy and a tool, word had it that he didn't actually much care for Diana, it was his father that insisted on the "romance" and for the most part forced it on Dodi. Did Diana know that Dodi's fiancee was on a yacht nearby and he kept sneaking away to see her? Diana was never #1 in any man's life, that is what truly haunted her.

you would be surprised at which famous people are guests on board yachts simply because it provides them with security, privacy and luxury that they would have to pay for themselves. Often they have very little to do with and little in common with the owners who may be on the yacht at the same time.

If Diana had lived and married Al Fayed, it would've been the same clusterfuck as with Charles all over again.

Allegedly, rich playboy Dodi had the hots for another woman, but his dad insisted on Diana as a more suitable wife. The same shebang as with Charles lusting after Camilla, but pushed by his mom to wife up Diana.

The similarity of both situations is uncanny. History would've likely repeated itself. If so, Diana (already in a fragile mental state) would've totally lost it.

Can you imagine if she had popped out some Muslim children. Step children of the future King? Lol. She was taken out.

Couldn't they just kidnap and sterilize her? Or have some MI5 / MI6 agents slip some birth control into her daily pills & diet?

Killing her seems a bit extreme.

Didn't some of Diana's friends and associates reveal that she was getting strange threatening phone calls before her death? The calls may have had something to do with Diana's campaign against land mines.

R31 it's hard for some to believe today, but by the mid-1990s, many people were viewing Diana with disdain in much the same way they do now to Kim Kardashian. Mind you, I'm not comparing the two women, just how people viewed them, which was eerily similar. Though at the time, the likes of Kardashian didn't get as much media coverage, if any, nor were treated like celebrities. But Diana was the closest thing to a Kim Kardashian at the time (i.e., thirtysomething famous socialite jet-setting and causing scandal). Her AIDS and landmine work were seen as mere photo-ops, though she did have admirers who believed she was being altruistic. And the media gave her the benefit of the doubt.

I remember, when Jody Williams won the Nobel Prize for her work in banning landmines, in December 1997. There were some outcries that it should've gone to Diana, instead, despite the fact that Williams had been working on her mission for years. That's how crazy the posthumous Diana worship had gotten by year's end. A friend even kidded that Diana would be canonized before Mother Teresa, who died the same week but received very little fanfare.

Of course she was the quintessential "yacht girl". She was drawn to glitzy wealth and show people, not anything or anyone of substance. In retrospect it is terribly obvious that she could never have made it as a part of the royal family.

I remember reading at the time that Diana really loved the US, especially NYC, because she was treated much better here than she was over in the UK.

She was a lucky lady - she got to schtup the scrumptious will Carling

Did she get a Royal Palace with sprawling gardens as an official residence in the US too, R41?

Well, she had the nice memories of the sprawling gardens to think about as she was dealing with the business ends of the multiple Arab princes pounding her nightly as payment for her yacht getaways.

Diana did not drop out of university, R1. She failed all of her O levels twice, which meant she dropped out of school well before the end (which is the A levels exam). When she was 16 she was enrolled at finishing school in Switzerland, but after one term she packed her bags and arrived home unannounced, proving that she mightn't have been smart, but she was certainly wilful.

To her credit, she was open about the O levels thing and often joked about being dumb.

Yes, I remember she was on a downward slide in the months before her death. Too many tabloid photos with trashy people and it was pointed out how little time she spent with her sons although that was probably out of her control.

I did see a sad clip on tv after her death where she was trying to walk through an airport without the security she used to have before her divorce. She had a friend with her but they were surrounded by photographers and could not move. Diana was looking down and she had her purse in front of her face and every time she tried to take a step, her way was blocked. It was a nightmare.

After her death, on one of the specials they interviewed people who had known her. One woman, a handbag designer, started off by saying "When I was asked to be her friend..." Something like that. Like WTF? She was surrounded by hangers on. I did wonder if she ever got together with her flat mates from before she got married.

Diana has been dead for 20 years, she's ovah. She was OVAH before she died, so stop talking about her. You're only showing how old you are. No one cares about your dead celebrities.

Since you old senile posters need things repeated; I'm young and have too much free time, so I can waste it clicking and posting on threads that don't interest me!

Low blow for even the DL to accuse a dead person of whoring. We have Melania, CUNT OP, so we don't need senseless speculation about a corpse. How much is Queen Camilla wasting of Brit taxpayer money on that PR shill you work for? Leave the dead alone. Camilla is the true whore.

Welcome to DL, r49, this must be your first visit here. Just so you know, every dead celebrity discussed here is accused of whoring while alive and it's the nicest thing they are ever accused of.

R49 grow up. Cammie had an affair with Chuck. This was after her own husband fucked everyone in London. Di fucked *everything* that went past her without thought for all the many, many wives she left sitting at home alone, crying. She didn't mention these multiple married men she fucked when she gave that cringingly embarrassing interview where she claimed there were three in the marriage. Only three? There were Chuck and Cammie and Di and Barry and Oliver and Will and James and other James and....

In total terms of numbers of adulteries committed Di is a fucking Olympian compared to amateur Cammie.

HA! I've been here long enough to know that most of DL's accused whores were quite happy with their activities and didn't fucking care how anyone saw it. Queen Camilla the Cunt is the only one invested in calling Diana a whore. She dares to play this game in the European and American media by releasing confidential 'memoirs' about herself and Charles while the anniversary of Diana's death is memorialized. No one is fooled. Camilla is a high steppin' , mastiff-faced mistress who thinks she can sway public opinion with sordid tales of her innocent 'love' in order to gain a title. Go ride a horse, Cunty bitch, it's all you're qualified for.

Cammie is a cunt, yes, but she's a cunt who WINS. There's no denying it. Cammie got her man, and she's been living the posh life with Chuck for almost a quarter century now. Cammie wins.

R53 plus she will be queen. I know they said that when Charles becomes king her title would be 'princess consort' or some shit, but that was to appease the Diana worshipers 'cause the wounds were still fresh when they married in 2005. But it's been 20 years now and Carmilla has proven her worth as part of the royal family, something Diana could never do. I'm willing to bet that when the time comes, she will be titled/called Queen Camilla -- like all the wives of the ruling king before her.

The thing the Di-nuts can't seem to understand is that no matter what she is styled as Cammie WILL be queen - that's not open for discussion without an Act of Parliament.

If Di had lived she'd be doing RHOBH by now, on to her fourth husband and still mentally ill.

Diana did the world a huge service by laying back and thinking of England while Charles impregnated her. We would not have Harry to look at. I shudder to think of the hideous offspring Charles and Camilla would've produced.

Yes, and what a sight that Harry is.

Seriously, how can smn so 'blue-blood' be so trailer-trash? He belongs in a trailer park, stocking shelves at Walmart. (And even that comparison is too unkind to Walmart workers and trailer-park residents.)

Besides his Nazi uniform, he also compared his war 'exposure' in Afghanistan (can't even call it 'experience' b/c he was always protected) to a PlayStation video game. Even the Afgahn militants said: " [The Queen's grandson, a helicopter co-pilot] doesn't have the brain to know there is a war here." "He has a mental problem."

[quote]Diana has become glorified beyond belief, but in her lifetime she was as much hated as loved.

That's not a true statement.

I'm not a Diana fan at all (I think that bitch was crazy), but during her lifetime she was lionized by the press and the public. There would not have been the giant crowds nor the mounds of flowers outside the palace gates immediately after her death if what you said were true.

I will never understand why anyone would want to be apart of the "Royal family" except for the prestige and social standing it brings. Other than that I don't get it. I would never want a Royal existence. EVER!!!! There's to many stipulations and boundaries you have to live by. I'd rather be a wealthy billionaire socialite with international celebrity status on a Kardashian level. Than having the life of a boring Royal. In many ways they kinda have to operate as diplomatic politicians as far as how they carry themselves. That's to much to ask for in my opinion. Give me billions in the bank, a jetsetting lifestyle, and celebrity status and I'm happy. If I have a life in the spotlight. But never Royalty EVER!!!!!!!

R58 people did an about-face after she died. But the weeks leading to her death, she was often condemned for her supposed debauchery lifestyle. It's similar to what happened Michael Jackson. He was pretty much a joke by the end (though he still had his followers, like Diana), but as soon as he died (prematurely) he became the untouchable King of Pop again.

R60 is right. I remember the press before her death calling her out for being an absent mother and hooking up with a seemingly never ending parade of ever-more inappropriate men. The mass hysteria madness was whipped up by tabloids with space to fill.

Will Diana be featured in that Versace American Crime Story? They were pretty close, and I recall Diana attending his funeral and comforting Elton John. That's also when they made up. They had a falling out earlier in the year, but I forget about what.

[quote]I will never understand why anyone would want to be apart of the "Royal family"

It's a part of the royal family. Apart is not the same as a part.

I'm seeing that pop up more and more and it bugs me as much as people using loose when they mean lose.

I remember an unbelievably nasty article in the English press before Diana died that portrayed her as a friendless madwoman who lurked around hospitals pestering doctors and patients alike. The photo that accompanied the article was an absolutely enormous close-up of Diana's eyes as she was observing a heart operation, which made her look like a lunatic.

I remember reading about Diana stalking Dr. Kahn at the hospital. Staff said that Diana would lurk around the hospital in disguises, demanding to see and talk to the Dr. She also called constantly, demanding he come out of the operating room to talk to her. If she were anyone else but Princess Diana, she would have been locked up in an institution somewhere.

R12, You're the one with dementia. Nobody was griping about too much Diana.

The Spencers aren't and weren't commoners. They are nobility.

R29 is a loon. Diana was never "hated." Why should she have been, FGS? If anyone felt the People's opprobrium, it was Charles.

R11. When William becomes king, he will restore Diana's HRH status.

R68 because Diana manipulated the press. But there were people who saw through that.

She had plenty of her own money. Why would she be a "yacht girl", OP?

^Because many millionaires want to be billionaires. There's a big difference between a multi-millionaire's lifestyle (mansion, nice car, etc) and a billionaire's lifestyle (yachts, helicopters, private islands, mansions in every country, most expensive diamonds in the world, etc).

Many celebrity women start out as the billionaires' sex partners, hoping one of them will eventually elevate them to the status of Mrs. Billionaire wife.

Diana was rich, but nowhere near as astronomically rich as the Al Fayed family. And Dodi was the heir.

R72 you think Diana was a golddigger?

She wasn't going back to a lesser common lifestyle. Diana was following my lead, I was my generation's prime yacht girl and did whatever and whomever that took.

R73 & R74- At the end of her life, Diana was concerned about her security so a billionaire's son would have all of the resources to protect her from the paparazzi with bodyguards and to allow her to continue to live grandly. She did have a similarity to Jackie Kennedy when she married the toad-like Greek tycoon Aristotle Onassis. Unfortunately, if your time is up no amount of money can alter your fate.

R72 hit the nail on the head. Di only had 20 million pounds. That's not even enough to buy a yacht let alone maintain one. She wasn't a billionaire but was used to the billionaire lifestyle.

Her story is really sad.

R69 titles cannot be bestowed on dead people. They cannot be rescinded for dead people either. Titles or lack thereof die with the person. Your presumed insight into what Wills will do in the future is pathetically ignorant. Unless you have a time machine (and if you do come back and give us the name of the next Kentucky Derby winner, I'd like to place a few bets) then you have no idea of what he will do IF he becomes king.

(There's many a slip 'twixt cup and lip.)

[quote] The Spencers aren't and weren't commoners. They are nobility.

From the perspective of royalty, only other royalty (and they have to be HRH--not HSH like the Grimaldis in Monaco) are not commoners. Diana being an earl's daughter means little from that perspective--she was still born a commoner.

The Queen Mother was the first non-royal to marry an heir to the throne since Anne Hyde in the 17th century.

She was a dimwitted Sloane Ranger breeding sow. Likely a nice person compared to the rest of those royal parasite loser dogs, but, really, that's all she was.

LOL the best of DL always comes out in the Diana threads

What's Sloange Ranger?

Gee, if only there was a way to find out?

R83 please don't be mean to me because my parents messed up raising me.

R81---So true! The cunt always wanted publicity ---even dead and moldering in her private little grave she still gets plenty---all well-deserved. And DL does it best.

Just curious: I recall seeing that security video of him and Diana in the elevator, heading down to make their getaway or have dinner, what have you. Why do you think she was looking so fucking glum and peeved seeing as she lived such a charmed life? Maybe she was realizing that she was stuck with that sleazy dopey cunt who gave her a tacky (but expensive) vulgar ring, when all she wanted to be was Mrs. Khan?

If she had lived, her sons would have still adored her to pieces, but also would have felt sorry for her. She could never have faced getting old, losing her looks and watching Charles and his ugly filly tie the knot, and worse, take over the king/queen slots. She would have gone, as they say, barking mad at that.

Sorry, security video of Dodi and Diana....damn, I must proofread! And I think it is "mouldering" in the grave /sigh/

Charles would've had a MUCH harder time marrying Cowmilla if Diana was still alive. It's was very convenient for the Royal family that she died. Almost too convenient.

R87 what are you implying?

" I recall seeing that security video of him and Diana in the elevator, heading down to make their getaway or have dinner, what have you. Why do you think she was looking so fucking glum and peeved seeing as she lived such a charmed life? Maybe she was realizing that she was stuck with that sleazy dopey cunt who gave her a tacky (but expensive) vulgar ring, when all she wanted to be was Mrs. Khan?"

All of the above! Plus, I have heard different accounts of how Dodi & Di ended up in Paris. One account is that they planned to go straight from Dodi's yacht to London, but after they took off, they changed plans and decided to land in Paris for the night. The other account is that they planned all along to stop in Paris first. I don't know which is true. The whole thing seemed weird to me...they were all set at the hotel, well protected with privacy, they had had dinner, it was very late...WHY leave for Dodi's flat? What was the point? I'm imagining maybe Diana was irritated, or possibly even suspicious at that point. Anything is possible, really. I still have my suspicions as to what really happened that night, we will likely never know the truth.

R87 is implying what we all know to be true.

Diana's former private secretary has stated that her facial expression in the Ritz security cam footage is what Diana would look like whenever she was disgruntled with a situation. She does look pissed off.

R87 no, it wasn't convenient in the least. She was doing an excellent job of pissing off the UK public all by herself. She had become a punchline. The international public was beginning to see how manipulative and media hungry she was. Her death at a young age, so public and violent and needless, turned her into a martyr overnight. That was the LAST thing the royals would have wanted.

What's that old saying? You've got to blow a lot of frogs before you find an available Arab billionaire?

R92 tell that to R66 and R68 who called me 'demented' and a 'loon' for saying the exact same thing.

R92 and r94, Still cray. Do you think none of us others here were alive then? Just you? Your assertions of the popular opinion of Diana at the time do not ring true.

People don't turn out for mourning as the Brits did just because someone famous dies young.

Moreover, r92, you completely ignore how loose-lipped Diana was getting. How she could have had a Muslim half-sibling to the future heir. How she might even have moved to the US.

Most importantly, you overlook the growing publicity and popularity of Diana's anti-landmine campaign. Social flitting is one thing; political activity is an entirely different animal to the very powerful.

R95 you know that r92 and r94 are different people, yes? And you know that old newspaper articles can be searched, yes? She was a laughing stock before she died. She achieved martyrdom by dying young. She was a dim but manipulative narcissist and your opinion is not one that is shared by the rest of humanity. You'll get over it. Or not. It really doesn't matter.

Diana's inner circle have said that she wasn't serious about Dodi, it was just a fling and had she lived it would've been over in a few months. She had no intention of marrying him. The fact that he was rich enough to provide security for her was very appealing to her, but of course it didn't matter in the end.

This is an interesting article about how Diana manipulated the press. It was written a few weeks after her death so the sources were current.

That PBS article, what a complicated way to live.

From the PBS article:

[quote]This was not an isolated example of the Princess's use of subterfuge. In 1995 she was photographed by a News of the World photographer coming out of a London hospital where she had been paying a secret late night visit to her then boyfriend, the heart surgeon Hasnat Khan. She was furious and, according to sources close to the palace, quickly struck a deal to stop the real story from coming out. In return for not exposing her romance, the Princess would give the News of the World a 'world exclusive' about how she was secretly visiting patients at the hospital late at night, so that they would not he inconvenienced by the press. The story duly appeared in the News of the World the following Sunday and was picked up by the rest of the media the next day.

So, her so-called charity work was not out of altruism but a front for other stuff, in this case, her affair with the Pakistani doctor?

Why was she so into that fat, ugly Pakistani doctor? Even people in her inner circle couldn't figure it out.

[quote]She was a laughing stock before she died. She achieved martyrdom by dying young.

R97 I wonder if, in 12 years, similar things will be said about Michael Jackson, that he was much beloved to the end, otherwise, there would not have been such an outpouring of grief when he died. But he was pretty much a joke, by the end, his ardent fans notwithstanding.

Diana wasn't there yet (at MJ's level), but she was getting there. Her post-Charles life (1992-1997) was pretty scandalous, especially when it became Diana vs. Royal Family in the press, which she used to her advantage. She got props for her AIDS/landmine work, but she was also taken to task for her seemingly hedonistic lifestyle. There was too much Diana coverage (good or bad) that it got the point that many people didn't want to hear nor see her again. Then she died young and tragically, leaving behind two motherless teenage sons, and people forgot they couldn't stand her. Instead, their ire was directed at Camilla. She became a big target for the Diana fanatics that came out of the woodwork, by year's end.

Forgot to mention, I recall letters to the editor with people BLAMING Camilla for Diana's premature death. The reasoning went, if he had not fooled around with Camilla and divorced Diana, she would not have been with Dodi or other men (right) and would not have been in a position to die in that horrible car wreck.

From the PBS article

"The truth is that the Princess had beencolluding in her own coverage at least since March 1991. Her then friends say that at that time, when her father died, she did not want Prince Charles to travel to the Earl's funeral with her. His office was forced to reinstate a meeting in London at the last moment, so that his behaviour would not look like lack of sympathy for her bereavement. The friends believe, however, that such a lack of sympathy on the Prince's part was just what she wanted to convey. "

So her dad died, Charles cancelled a meeting to go with her, she told him she didn't want him to come, he reinstated the meeting and she made out to her pet editors that he callously left her alone in her time to of need.

Manipulative isn't the word, that's pure malice.

I don't think she dropped out of university, I don't think she even qualified to attend. She even said that she was thick as a plank.

No, she didn't go to university. She got one o-level I think and that wouldn't get you a part time job at McDonalds.

Diana's manipulative behavior, especially with a view toward portraying herself as being victimized by evil others, is textbook Borderline behavior. It is entirely characteristic for these people to identify those they identify as their persecutors (frequently without rational cause), and then devote their time to convincing everyone else that they are indeed victims of various fiendish plots and are therefore deserving of sympathy. Nine times out of ten Borderlines are absolute hell to deal with. Of course, in Diana's case legions of gullible fraus bought into her claims of victimhood and have spent years trying to portray her as some kind of brave martyr.

I believe many celebrities are/were Borderline personalities.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if that were the case. Borderlines are well known for their skill in impersonating charm towards the unwitting.

[quote]Of course, in Diana's case legions of gullible fraus bought into her claims of victimhood and have spent years trying to portray her as some kind of brave martyr.

Don't forget, the media (well, some of them) had a big part in it, too, and they were all too willing to lend a hand.

Jackie Onassis was just a yatch girl, too, in her day.

I think she was a psychopath.

The powers that be wanted her silenced and stopped.

They made it happen too!!!!

r102--I'm with you. Why on earth that fugly Paki?

R9 - you are wrong. She was not the first commoner. The Queen's mother was not royalty, and was treated about the same way as Diana was. True, she had royal ties like the Queen Mother, but was not considered royal. Which is why I never understood why the Queen's mother never warmed up to her. Diana was never a "yacht girl" and was probably only enjoying being away from the strict protocol forced upon her by the "firm".

R116 Diana should've done what Jackie did. Jackie struck up a close relationship with the Kennedy patriarch for leverage, and it came handy to her later. Diana should've done the same with the Queen Mum.

Jackie had the advantage of being the "poor widow". By not sticking it out, Diana nuked every bridge to the royal family.

[quote]The Queen's mother was not royalty, and was treated about the same way as Diana was.

That cunt the Duke of Windsor always called Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother "cookie" behind her back because he thought she was fat and common and looked like a cook. They both loathed each other.

Helena Bonham Carter didn't look like a cook. Except when she played Mrs. Lovett.

The Duke and Duchess of Windsor were horrible, nasty people and they would have adored Diana.

^^^^^The Windsors were truly awful by all accounts. Snobbish, racist, boring. I think they ended up being unwanted house guests around the world. I can't imagine a more vapid existence than these two fossilized old mummies.

Diana was killed by a filthy French drunk

R122 Yes! Gratifying to hear how the Duchess spent her last days---immobilized and drunk, a prisoner of that old lawyer Suzanne Blum. In her hey day, Wally terrorized her servants, paid them next to nothing, even made them count out individual sheets of toilet paper lest it be wasted. Her mother ran a boarding house and she has the nerve to look down her snoot at people? She was a cheap, grasping cunt and her wizened old Nazi-loving ex-king of a husband was no better. Hope she died in her own filth, fully aware that the Queen Mum (even with her own faults) was still fairly popular with the public and was held in affection. R123 There was speculation that the driver was drugged, too ---in other words, that Diana was murdered. There were rumors she was pregnant, too--with Khan's kid?

Personally I prefer Jackie O. She was just so much more fascinating to me.

Agree, R125. I admired her for keeping the secrets and going her own way.

The Queen Mother was close to Charles, naturally she would take his side. She also took the view that women should put up with their husband's infidelities.

[quote]R81---So true! The cunt always wanted publicity ---even dead and moldering in her private little grave she still gets plenty---all well-deserved. And DL does it best.

I bet that she was never as hateful as you seem to be so effortlessly.

Diana lit up the world. Still so sad she's gone.

Remember. before Lohan, before Diana, you had Lee Radziwill having an affair with Onassis, and persuading him to invite Jackie to his yacht to recover from her miscarriage back in 1963. Jackie married Onassis only 4 months after Bobby Kennedy was shot, and was quoted, "They're killing Kennedys in America". So, unlike Diana, yachting about with playboys while her sons were back in England, Jackie was actually thinking about how to protect her children (and the money, of course).

R124 she wasn't pregnant. The autopsy showed that. Her friend Rosa Monckton said Diana had told her a couple of days before that she was on her period.

The driver was drunk, the car was a written-off wreck that had been rebuilt and was unsafe to drive, the only person to survive was the one wearing a seatbelt. There was no murder.

Exactly, r131. The driver was drunk on his ass and going 100mph through a narrow tunnel. It was a drunk driving accident, there was no murder. If Diana had been wearing a seatbelt, she would've survived and been alive today. The impact of being thrown against the back of the front passenger seat at 100mph is what killed her. It was all so easily avoidable.

Incidentally, interesting that Jackie is now referred to as "Jackie Kennedy" per R130's article. But she ceased to be called that in the last 26 years of her life. After her marriage to Ari, it was "Jackie Onassis" or simply "Jackie O." She even said she got a kick out of using "Mrs. Onassis" because, for some reason, she abhorred the Kennedy association. Post-death, I guess people are going back to calling her "Jackie Kennedy." Her tombstone (next to JFK's) even has ONASSIS on it.

Bitch got to be buried in a select and elite cemetery, next to JFK. She really forfeited that right when she married Onassis for $$$ and when she was living with that rich old guy who made her even richer.

R134 you think she should've played the mourning widow her entire life?

Diana was good at being a humanitarian; Jackie O was good at having been born wealthy.

Diana was not good at humanitarianism, if there were ulterior motives to her altruism (e,g, shacking up with Dr. Kahn).

She's dead and I'll be queen! So who won? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Fuck, that picture off horse-faced whore. Diana probably looks better NOW.

I just recently saw those "Diana Tapes". She came across as quite ditzy.

And, boy, was she 'trained' for that BBC Panorama interview about her divorce, where she named Charles as "the enemy"! Her big confession now feels rather manufactured. The video showed that another person (her personal coach) 'coached' her over and over to 'put more emotion here', 'accentuate that', 'say this angrier'. Pfft, what a circus.

You could almost see the cogs whirring r140. To do : Move head slightly down and left, flutter eyelashes, pout, say Charles was horrid, grimace, eyelashes. Whine a bit about adultery, tilt head other way, NEVER mention all the many married men she fucked or their wives whom she harassed. Smile. Eyelashes.

If $he found him so unappealing why did $he marry him?

She was brought up in court circles, she knew exactly what was involved. Her elder sister had already dated Charles. She wasn't some poor girl from Hackney without a tiara to her name.

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If Diana was a lowly gold digging millionaire of twenty million pounds who desperately wanted the billionaire lifestyle, why did she throw herself at and do everything in her power to win Hasnat Khan? He is a heart surgeon. not poor, but not even close to the sort of money Diana had.

R143 she wanted what she couldn't have.

Dr. Khan was a challenge---and he wasn't shallow and stupid like all of her lovers. I think he was initially dazzled by her glamour, her celeb status, but in the end, he wasn't fooled by her Queen of Hearts bullshit. The vanity of that woman to dub herself that---and so tacky besides!

Okay, fine. But my point was that a dedicated gold digger would put the pursuit of a rich husband at the top of her list.

Nobody said she was a smart gold digger. You have to walk before you run/whore up the ladder. A doctor is a good first test run to find a savior to take her away.

"The Windsors were truly awful by all accounts"

And the Human Shovel grew to hate her dim-witted boring Nazi lump of a husband...

SECRET TAPE OF DI CALL TO GEORGE Princess Diana shared the agony of her ‘grim’ divorce from Prince Charles with George Michael — and blasted the royals as ‘not very loving’ in secret phone chat

Did George Michael give her tips on cottaging and milky loads?

She had so many "friends" to blab her woes to. George Michael! Sir Elton! Alas, poor, poor misunderstood princess! At least now she's dead and out of her misery!

The Queen Mother was a commoner... so many know nothings on this thread. Both the Queen Mother and Diana were from the nobility.

I read somewhere that Diana had more royal lineage than does Charles, but I didn't care enough to research it further to see if it was true. I was just reminded of it by R152's post.

r153 I don't understand how such things are possible when Charles is the direct heir of the freakin monarch, lineage can't be more royal than, well, the ruling royal family.

R8, the Spencers werent royalty but they weren't commoners either. The family is part of the British aristocracy. Remember, Althorp Castle is on the Sandringham Castle lands, the Spencers were distant cousins to the Queen's family, and Diana's grandmother was a Lady in Waiting to the Queen Mother.

Althorp was purchased by the Spencer family in the early 1500s. The Royal family did not buy Sandringham until the 1860s.

Diana is the 19th great-granddaughter of Edward I (c. 1200s) and the 13th great-grandniece of Henry VIII. I'm sure she has other royal ties, but those are the ones that stuck out for me. I don't know where this myth started that she was a commoner -- or better yet, that she was just a lowly kindergarten teacher trying to make ends meet when Charles swept her off her feet!

Americans don't understand the difference beween royalty/nobility, that's the source of the confusion.

Americans are the only ones who care, that is the tragedy.

R158 that's what you think. A lot of Americans are not royalist. We don't like the idea of a monarchy even existing. A lot of people including myself. Don't understand why the royal weddings are even aired over here in the states. America isn't apart of the commonwealth. And don't even care to hear about the "Royals." Me myself I'm dreading Harry's wedding. It's going to be everywhere and completely disrupt everything in the American media. Just like William and Kate's wedding did. I wish they would air it on some special cable channel. Instead of completely taking over network television with something that has nothing to do with America. But that's the bull shit world we live in.

[quote]the difference beween royalty/nobility,

Could you elaborate?