Barbara Sinatra is dead to me.

Oops here is another link.

Why is everyone screwing up links lately?

Now they can tell Ronan that Frank is his father. Tina and Nancy asked Mia to wait until Barbara died.

Fuck her.

I did.

Not that Frank could by the time he inherited what I left behind.

Gone far too soon...

I hope Ava has slapped the shit out of her already.

She was a cunt, so they deserved each other since Frank was a pig. She would ask for jewelry, then have a copy made and sell it back to keep the money. Heaven didn't get a new angel out of this cocktail waitress/showgirl/hooker.

The wife or daughter?

She was a good woman in many respects for her charity work for abused children. You have to admire her for this reason. I don't know much about Mrs. Sinatra, except that Frank's daughter Tina, had some issues with her. I bet she'll be tap dancing on Barbara's grave.

What kind of a step mother was she?

Meanwhile, I'm still here, bitches!

She was a gold digging, adulterous slut.

Team Nancy!

So young.

I believe Nancy Sr is still alive, which is insane.

r14 Nancy Sr. is 100!!!

I met Barbara Sinatra several times. She was smart, tough, and beautiful well into old age. She lived on Broad Beach in Malibu in the Summer near a friend. She also spent time in the South of France while Frank was alive. The Sinatra's hated her, and Dolly Sinatra refused to fly with "that Whore!" so Frank chartered another plane for Dolly which crashed. .

You beat me to it r3.

I really do wonder if she was the reason they've played cat-and-mouse with Ronan's paternity over the years. If in fact it's true he's Sinatra's, expect more openess or even outright confirmation in the future now that the 3rd Mrs. S is gone.

Sorry that would be the 4th Mrs. S, not the 3rd.

Nancy Sinatra Sr. still receives a huge percentage of Frank Sinatra's earnings as part of their divorce agreement. The children are fine with that as she is their Mother. If Barbara charged a jet charter to the company, the kids went bonkers. They always hated Barbara and prevented their Father from adopting Bobby Marx, Barbara's son.

Yes Nancy Tina and Frank Jr always despised Barbara, yet remain very close to Mia.

Why did Frank's children hate Barbara? I realize it may be Frank's money and assets, but are there other reasons?

That article's title, r15! I'd rather not think about any of the Sinatra women's "clam sauce," and certainly not that of the 100-year-old.

Barbara was a very tough cookie who never minced words and was very protective of Frank. She also spent like a horse and favored her own son over her stepkids. Of course his kids disliked her.

Ding Dong the Witch is Dead!

My late father's friend was the head of security at Resorts International in Atlantic City back in the 70s and 80s. Sinatra was still performing then and appeared at Resorts. This guy told us backstage where the security detail was stationed, Frank and his wife (Barbara) had a really ugly fight - he called her a cunt and she yelled that he was a motherfucking dick! Apparently behind the scenes they had their moments!

Sisters Nancy and Tina hated Barbara but Frank Jr. was civil to her and they got along pretty well.

The girls were very angry that Barbara did not phone them up and tell them that their father died right after he passed away. Apparently she took her sweet time. Big rift there.

Was Zeppo as hung as Frank?

I read a story in a magazine about a man who worked very closely with Frank Sinatra for years. He said that toward the end Frank told him that he really did not love or want Barbara around anymore but he was too old to get married again so he just put up with her and the marriage.

Fun Fact: she was portrayed by Melanie Griffith in the little-known Australian film THE NIGHT WE CALLED IT A DAY (2003).

Nancy Sr was old-school, but always looked great with fabulous jewelry. We were all at an event together (this was 20 years ago) and everyone was remarking how wonderful she looked.

I said, "Why shouldn't she look wonderful, all she has to do is hobble to the mailbox once a month to get her check?"

Turns out she was right behind me, starting laughing and gave me a kiss. Love her.

Barbara is vile-good riddance.

30 = Rip Taylor

Nancy Sr., is a great lady. She was good friends with Barbara Stanwyck and Ross Hunter, the famous movie producer (gay). Ross Hunter, one of the biggest queens in Hollywood, proclaimed he and Nancy Sr., are an item and he was going to marry her. Miss Stanwyck and Ross Hunter have passed away years ago.

Who were/are the other friends of Nancy Sr.?

Story is that when FS was taken to the hospital at the end. Barbara did not let his children know which meant they could not be there when he died.

That's horrible that Barbara did not notify Frank's children about their father on his deathbed.

There was also the story that when the family was gathered to hear the will being read, Barbara shouted out something to the effect of 'there you go, I got mine!' when she heard she was getting a hefty share. The kids were understandably pissed.

I wonder if he ever beat her.

He seemed the type.

Dear R35. That never happened. Barbara was given a trust long before Frank died. The homes and a little cash were all that was made public. Barbara also had incredible Jewels from Frank that were given by the Casino's he performed at as part of his deal. The children of Frank received the bulk of his money, including all the master recordings and royalties.

If Ronan really belonged to Frank, I'm pretty sure Mia would be dying to say so if only to hurt Woody.

And the timeline is even more ridiculous with Ronan than with Prince Harry. Mia would've had to been fucking Frank 20 years AFTER they divorced, when Frank was over 70.

So now that she's finally kicked it, can I finally get a fucking DNA test?

Tina appeared on Larry King's CNN show one week after Frank died in 1998 and she said that she was at home watching the "Seinfeld" finale when Frank's doctor called and told her he had died.

It's possible, Mia had shitty taste in men. Andre Previn excluded.

Couldn't Ronan settle this just by doing one of those mail-in DNA things? It would tell him whether he was half Jewish or half Italian, wouldn't it?

So he finds out whether his dad was a Jewish pedo or an Italian mob-connected asshole. Why bother?

All I'm saying, r43, is that it's not like he needs anyone's cooperation so that he can compare DNA. If Jewish: Woody. If Italian: Frank.

The two Nancys, Frank Jr. and Tina read in the LOS ANGELES TIMES that the Catholic Church annulled the marriage of the senior Frank and Nancy. The first Mrs. Sinatra was never informed about the annulment procedure until she read about it in the newspaper. Frank Sr. subsequently married Barbara in a Catholic ceremony

My clam sauce is delicious, r22!

[quote]Ross Hunter, one of the biggest queens in Hollywood, proclaimed he and Nancy Sr., are an item and he was going to marry her.

Over my dead body!

The Gays gayed better in mid century Hollywood, with their houses in Trousdale and their white 60's Rolls Royces.

Nancy Sr. never remarried, and she was only in her early 30s when Frank divorced her. As has been noted, she was good friends with Miss Barbara Stanwyck. Like, REALLY good friends.

I wonder if Barbara ever tasted Nancy's clam sauce!

Now satchel's mom can try to convince us all that Frank is the father and not Woody

R2, it's the android phones.

I did not hit her Oh, hi Mark

[quote]The Gays gayed better in mid century Hollywood, with their houses in Trousdale and their white 60's Rolls Royces.

And they didn't have to fuck Merv Griffin for even the saddest of careers!

R53 RULES

I love the fact she "ran" a "charity" yet the Sinatras never gave one dime to it. They would do a performance or "sponsor" an event but not give any of their money. That way they got the credit but none of the hardship of giving up their millions.

Who gets the house?

I'm sure the son?

R55 How do you know this? I live in the Coachella Valley where they're all hailing Barbara Sinatra for the money and time she gave in creating the Barbara Sinatra Children's Foundation for abused kids.

r57 Frank Jr. died last year, if that's who you mean.

Frank and his only REAL wife.

Frank and Baldy, another fake wife.

Living with bitch made me fat.

He loved ME best.

We had a thang, too, but he wanted me only because I was with Bogart. He done me wrong. Asshole!

God people post stupid shit. Even if he was alive, why would Barbara leave anything to Frank Jr?

Her own son Bobby Oliver. Do try and keep up, dear.

This is what I've been waiting for regarding the Ronan paternity question. If it's true, it should be soon. Does anyone know Nancy Jr.?

Yes she was OP.

Yes, I know Nancy Jr. She hung out at Hamburger Hamlet on Sunset and Kate Mantelini- cool lady.

Frank Sr became a nasty republican in his later career. Shady person too.

I like to imagine back in the day she would get on the phone with Tova Borgnine and Altovise Davis and gossip about how much they were taking their husbands for.

Nancy Sinatra is a staunch, very outspoken Democrat.

Frank was 67 when Ronan was conceived, Charlie Chaplin became a father at 73.

Mick Jagger had another kid in December at age 73. That makes eight children, five grandchildren and one great grandchild.

A young Barbara Sinatra just starting out.

r44......you do realize that Jewish is a religion and not a nationality, right ? A DNA analysis would not be able to determine that.....and fyi...there are Italian Jews.

A DNA analysis can definitely determine Sephardic or Ashkenazi Jewish heritage.

Again.....Jewish is a religion and not a nationality.

Again....Sephardic and Ashkenazi can be determined through DNA testing.

Frank was 71 when Ronan was conceived and had a vasectomy not to mention a number of health issues that began to creep up on him.

R74, That looks more like Barbara Rush.

With her first hubby.......

Wait . . . that IS Barbara Rush!

Watch DUCK SOUP (1933) for hot, shirtless Zeppo.

OMG, I just remembered Merv Griffin used to do Hollywood wives episodes on his talk show (yes, I'm elder). He's have on the wives of the vintage stars of the day (early 1970s). Dean Martin's wife appeared a lot. One episode featured Mrs. James Stewart, Mrs. Henry Fonda, Mrs. Kirk Douglas, Mrs. Robert Stack (Rosemarie), Mrs. Freddie Fields, and others. I used to love that show.

I can't find the specific episodes but here's a link to all of the episodes. It's a rich mine of vintage stars and nostalgia.

R84 Meh. At least I had the lovely Mrs. Richard Carlson.

Yes Merv even had on the third Mrs. Johnny Carson, the very beautiful Joanna Holland. Said to be the real love of his life, and the one who got the BIG settlement.

Mrs. Freddie Fields was Polly Bergen and Pamela Mason dined out on her ex James for a long time too. Throw in a Gabor or Shelley Winters, voila it's a 90 minute show!

Based on internet sources (which could be fiction or true), Barbara inherited the rights to market Frank's image and likeness. Frank's children and Barbara feuded for many years.

Did the gold digging slut leave these rights to her son from a previous marriage? If so, Tina and Nancy Jr., must be furious! I'm on their side.

That whore really rode on the Frank Sinatra Gravy Train.

[quote] ...Barbara inherited the rights to market Frank's image and likeness.

Link please.

I would be very surprised if this was true.

Stay away from women, r87.

The saying there's no fool like an old fool certainly applies in this case.

Did Frank really think she loved his sagging, worn-out junk and moobs?

Mia is bitch

So sorry-wrong thwead

My sister programmed a phone system in their Palm Springs area house about 22 years ago. They got so many calls they had to have a system that businesses normally bought. She never saw Frank, but she says Barbara was nice to her the whole time. So I don't get the claims of Barbara's alleged cuntiness.

What is Jewish DNA?

Here you go, r93.

I know that Judaism is a religion but you can be ethnically Jewish as well.

Why was she estranged from her step children????

I'm not sure that Barbara Sinatra was a golddigger. I didn't know much about her, so read up some. No info on husband #1. Husband #2 was Zeppo Marx, who was insanely jealous of any man speaking to her, but openly cheated on her throughout their marriage. Frank must've loved her as he left her $3.5 million, some mansions, and book rights upon his death. He was about 12 years older than her, which is not nowhere near the Anna Nicole Smith-Howard Marshall age difference.

I'd buy the Ronan is Frank's son theory except for one thing. Ronan has Woody Allen's fucked up looking mouth. No way he's anyone's son but Woody's with that mouth.

[quote]Why was she estranged from her step children????

Because she was a gold-digging whore?

Back in 1964 when I was in Catholic highschool, our teacher who was a nun came into the room glowing. She had sent a book of chances to Frank Sinatra never expecting him to send it back but not only did he send it back with his name in it ,he sent much more money thanother than the chances cost. Ever since then I knew he was a pretty nice guy . By the way the theme of our senior prom that year was " Strangers in the Night".

Okay, I'll make it 100.

Because there wasn't a huge age difference, means Barbara wasn't a golddigger?

She was a whore. Frank was too worn out to divorce her and needed someone to change his Depends.

Ronan has Mia's mouth, no way in hell is Woody Allen his biological father.

I vividly remember the Barbara not calling Frank's kids when he was dying in the hospital story--a heartbroken Nancy told it right after her father died.

She said it was the worst thing she ever went through (not being able to be there with her dad during his final moments).

This makes Barbara a cunt in my book.

*Even if you don't get along with the kids, that's not an excuse to fuck with their father's final hours and to prevent them from being able to see him on his deathbed.

Ding dong, the witch is dead!

And Jeanne Martin died last year too. She and Barbara were friends. And Dean's son Ricci died a few months before her.

[quote]Frank was too worn out to divorce her and needed someone to change his Depends.

Dear, we could afford to pay other people to do the dirty work for us.

Jeannie was another fabulous person, unlike Barbara. After Dean's last divorce the whole family would meet for weekly dinners at Hamburger Hamlet on Sunset.

Don't keep in touch anymore and didn't realize that Ricci had died. I went to college with Dean Paul and he was truly one of the most handsome men I have ever known. Impeccably dressed, well-mannered and never had a bad day. The son he had with Olivia Hussey was a cutie too- don't know what happened to him.

Over 100 posts and you all have missed so much of the good stuff!

To the person who asked about Nancy's friends, please note she was VERY close with Lena Horne. Make of it what you will. I know the friendship pissed Frank off. Nancy was one of the (unseen) commentators on that 2 part Sinatra documentary commemorating his 100th birthday. She sounded like every tough Italian old lady I grew up with in Brooklyn, especially when she called Ava Gardner a bitch.

Frank LOVED Ava and had "relations" with her for years after the divorce. Frank even owned the statue sculpted specifically for her film ONE TOUCH OF VENUS. Frank bought it and had it in his garden - well shortly after he married Barbara, she called up a removal business and it has never been seen again; allegedly she had it destroyed and dumped somewhere. It would be a VERY valuable item today.

Mia, who is on Twitter all day and tweets about EVERYTHING made no mention of her death.

The best, by far, is the emotionless response Nancy Sinatra gave to some clueless Marine from Arizona, who tweeted to her "condolences on the death of her Mother."

"Replying to @JohnathanHiess

"She was my stepmother. My mother is still with us."

1:48 PM - 25 Jul 2017

Finally, upon her death, the only one who gave her a tribute on tv was that Republican-leaning Connecticut/Palm Beach bitch Kathy Lee Gifford.

I am sure there will be an auction - her heirs will unload her stuff immediately and I bet it will be FABULOUS.

I loved the 2 part Sinatra documentary. Very good.

I loved Tina talking openly about the Joe Kennedy to Sinatra to The Mob connection about the JFK election shenanigans.

I loved hearing Nancy Sr talk about Frank inviting his girlfriend Marilyn Maxwell to a party in their home before they were divorced. I think I recall that Nancy had found some jewelry in Frank's car's glove compartment that she thought was for her. Maxwell wore the jewelry to the party. Nancy Sr went right up to Maxwell at the party and told her off.

Frank later went up to Nancy Sr and told her she should APOLOGIZE TO MAXWELL!!!

Nancy Sr's response was something along the lines of "You have got to be crazy."

Very interesting documentary. Good and bad stuff. And some stories about the songs he sang.

God, that gold digging slut finally croaked. It took forever, but the old whore is dead.

Let's party!!!!

So yo...damn it, too late!

R103, If Frank's doctor, Rex Kennamer(also Elizabeth Taylor's doctor) called Tina at home immediately upon Frank's death, then why didn't he alert the Sinatra children that their father was near death? He'd been Frank's doctor for years and also a family friend. Frank was in and out of the hospital several times near the end. Distrusting Barbara, the Sinatra children should have instructed Rex to inform them of his imminent death.

Good point, #113.

bump

moar

Ava closes her eyes and thinks of bullfighters.

Ayy i yi. Ava was some kinda woman. The rift between Barbra Sinatra and his girls is well known. Nancy was practically his lil sister as the Italians will do. She is a cool presence on Twitter but not overly edgy. She loves Peter Fonda, George Takei and Rob Reiner. She mentioned John Heard last week and has said her father would hate what is happening now. She is a big RIP tweeter. Nancy has a few times responded to someone by saying "I'm an old lady and have been one for awhile." The Sinatra's are a pretty fascinating show biz bunch. Frank didn't marry Barbara until she was 50 and he was almost 70. Can't you age out of being a whore? DL posters should know. He started with a conventional marriage and he ended with one. In between he found the wild and destructive love of his life, the one who made him the greatest singer of heartbreak ever.

Nancy hasn't tweeted anything about her father's last wife OR Barbara Sinatra. She did go silent for 24 hours so I would bet they had some respects to pay. They are still catholics those Sinatra girls. Cool liberated and very California catholics. Still, Nancy is 77 herself. She would never publicly disrespect a 90 year old woman she has known for 40 years. Barbara did keep them from Sinatra's death bed. You can never forgive that. But those Sinatra girls were spoiled Italian maniacs, maybe Mrs. S had her reasons....

No, you can't age out of being a whore or golddigger.

[quote]Nancy hasn't tweeted anything about her father's last wife OR Barbara Sinatra.

Umm ... aren't those the same person?

LOL, I was about to post the same thing r120!

haHa! Thanks for reading my post. I disagree. Ava Gardner was a true slut, she fucked everything that moved. She was gang fucked, cheated on everyone, loved black men and rough men and big dicks and would leave a room or bar with a stranger just to drive her present lover or husband insane with jealousy. Not a whore, because whore's get paid. Gays probably relate better to that behavior. She was some kinda beautiful broad who loved sex, but could never be desired enough to satisfy her rage and insecurities. She ended up sad, but maybe not sorry. Heavy drinker, alone.

Whores are more calculating than sluts and take better care of themselves. Frank Sinatra was not easily taken to church. He married Barbara because he felt she was the right woman for his old age. The great man lost his will to divorce her around the time he became a republican supporter and all his other secrets came out. The trick to an iconoclastic life is to not lose your nerve, but most everyone who lives too long loses their nerve. Sinatra lost his. He ended up with the right wife. She took a lot of abuse from that old prick, and during his not short decline she took a lot of abuse from his children too. She wasn't cool - she was in control.

"Frank Sinatra's daughters not expected at Barbara's services after years of animosity"

Fucking cunt.

It would take me some time to re-create the immediate events leading up to my father’s death. From the time he woke up on Thursday, he was quiet and withdrawn—perhaps a carryover from his state of mind the night before. Early that afternoon, he was coaxed out into the garden for some fresh air. He requested a grilled cheese sandwich but didn’t finish it. He returned to his room in a state of growing agitation. I don’t know what transpired over the next few hours, and probably never will. What I do know is that Dad was distressed, emotionally and physically. It wasn’t like Barbara to be away so much. The pity was that she didn’t feel the necessity to phone Nancy or me to stay with him in her stead. Of all the nights for none of us to be there, this was the worst. I will live with the guilt of not being there for the rest of my life. By early evening, Dad was complaining of shortness of breath, the claustrophobe’s worst nightmare. At about eight o’clock he sat up screaming. To Vine’s alarm, his lips turned blue; he fell back onto the bed. Mario called the paramedics, who attended to Dad at Foothill but were unable to stabilize him. He was rushed to Cedars, where he arrived—critically ill but alive—at approximately nine-thirty. In recent medical emergencies, my sister and I had been alerted—but not this time, not even by Vine, who’d been left behind at home. (Vine did call Tony, who reached the hospital in plenty of time from his home out in the Valley.) When Susan Reynolds worked the phone at the nurses’ station, Nancy and I were not on her call list. But I am certain Bobby Marx was, back in New York. Meanwhile, a medical team worked feverishly on Dad in triage. Twice Barbara became nauseated and had to leave the room. In between, she hovered over Dad, urging him on: “Fight, darling, you must fight.” The hard reality, though, was that my father had no artillery left. As Rex Kennamer would acknowledge, they could have done an angiogram on Dad, then possibly put him through angioplasty or bypass surgery. But they’d already decided not to go that route after Dad’s first heart attack, for reasons we’d all agreed upon. Those reasons stood, emergency or no. Dad remained alive at Cedars for more than eighty minutes. There was ample time to notify his children and get them to their father’s bedside. I believe the omission was deliberate. Barbara would be the devoted wife, and then the grieving widow, alone at her husband’s side.

Wow, what a BITCH! Terrible of her to do that to Tina and Nancy. No wonder they never forgave her.

Who is Vine?

Not informing a man's own children that he was rushed to the hospital and is about to die is unconscionable. I don't blame Tina and Nancy for being furious at that cunt.

She was married to Zeppo Marx. He and Sinatra were friends; they played golf together all the time She dumped him for Frank. I wonder how he felt about that, whether he was devastated or benign about it. Anyway, she was definitely his type. After the dark haired Ava, it seems that all he wanted to fuck blue eyed blondes; Bacall, Marilyn Monroe, Mia.

His affair with Marilyn was a strange thing. Frank was not a patient, benevolent man; how did he get in a relationship with such a train wreck as Monroe. I've heard different things about it. I've heard she wanted to marry him but he didn't want to. I've heard he wanted to marry her, but she didn't want to. I've heard he pitied her and that's why he put up with her for a long as he did. He introduced her to her mobster friends and she spent time at his sleazy Cal-Neva lodge, where she was reportedly photographed being ridden like a horse by Sam Giancana. All of this info comes from various biographies of Frank's life.

I think Barbara Sinatra was probably good for Sinatra. She was just his type. And to have landed Sinatra as a husband was considered quite a prize. But I didn't think he was such a prize.

Frank Sinatra also dated Judy Garland after her marriage to Sid Luft ended. If I recall correctly, Judy prepared a dinner for him and he just did not show up, which is how she found out he broke up with her.

wow, guess she showed them all. nancy sinatra sr. still alive at 100yrs

haaaaa, she outlived them all, ha

Good Lord what an idiotic post by r132.

Mia Farrow, wife #3, is still very much alive.

r133. shut your twat. Mia Farrow does not count. find better use of your time you moron

Oh no, Mr. Track is awake in Beverly Hills, lol.

Nancy and Tina aren't fake bitches and I love them for that.

Unlike R134, who once again is a psycho cunt.

About Judy Garland...I remember seeing a photo of her and Frank (and Dean Martin too, I think); I think they both were on her show. She's leaning in to kiss Frank....with her mouth WIDE open. Yech!

R135 Correct. now why dont you go and use your life saving "block"feature. that little magic wand you stupid little queers on on and on about. dont risk me upsetting you and you getting your little girl panties in a wad. you better block block block before too late haaaa

DNA analysis can certainly differentiate Jewish heritage from Italian (or Irish) heritage, as evidenced by a tediously long article that was recently published in the Washington Post. Some woman sent in her DNA to one of the testing companies, and then was HORRIFIED when it proclaimed that she was not 100% Irish, but was half Jewish. So she spent the next couple of years obsessively researching it, and eventually discovered that there was probably a baby mixup at the hospital back in the 1920s when her father was born.

My own venture into DNA testing resulted in a connection with an illegitimate half-uncle. Some things are best left alone.

The only block feature I'd use is paying $25 a month to have you permanently banned.

North of Sunset, lol!

R141. Yea but as we both know. your loser broke ass does not even have the $25 bucks to do that. so like in life. .....your fat loser ass just has to put up. haaaa . now beat it loser

[quote]Who is Vine?

Paul Hollywood's partner in the comedy team of Hollywood and Vine.

R127, Vine(female) was Frank Sinatra's housekeeper for many years.

Uncle Frank and Momma never had sheshxual relationsh!

I recall hearing about 10-12 years ago in the British media disgraced British PR King Max Clifford that Frank or someone in the Sinatra family were paying him to keep stories out of the UK press about his children specifically his daughters feuding and battling with his wife for control of his empire and inheritance of his fortune. He didn't explicitly say who did what but implied it got extremely nasty and would have made tabloid dynamite if published. A real power struggle with vicious antics. The events he was referring to went back to at least 1993 when matters escalated presumably as his health declined and family chess pieces moved around in anticipation of his demise. I really wish he'd elaborated more. Instinct tells me it isn't fair to only throw accusations of greed in Barbara's direction.

Bump! So has anyone got any gossip on the feuds between Barbara Sinatra and Frank's daughters in the years before his death especially the 1990s^^

Anyone willing to make the case for defending Barbara? Lots of Frank's showbusiness friends particularly the ones close ish to his age group stayed on good terms with her after he'd died and are reported to have said she stabilised him a lot of the time. So they clearly don't share the daughters view that she was a wicked nasty schemer.

i really enjoy reading about these people and this time, i am 53 and i have been researching barbara , she has a son. she did alot of charity work, i think she is better person than those spoiled daughters i wonder what the original mrs. sinatra has to say, i mean at 100yrs, i would love to hear what her life has been like, i research these people alot.

Vanity Fair did a brief piece on Mrs Sinatra I a few years ago (2011 or 12?) with photos of her in her Bev Hills home. A puff piece but had some details.

The first and third of Sinatra's wives comment directly on that 4 hour Sinatra DVD biography from 2015 "Sinatra: All or Nothing". Additionally, the bio includes quoted comments from wife #2 (Ava Gardner) who was deceased when the bio was made. I loved the story told by Nancy Sr. (her own words and voice) about finding a bracelet in Frank's glove compartment that she thought he was going to give to her. She later saw it worn by Marilyn Maxwell at a party at the Sinatra house. She confronted Maxwell at the party. Maxwell complained to Frank. Frank told Nancy Sr. that she should apologize to Maxwell. Nancy Sr. remarks about the incident and her response to Frank were priceless.

Maybe Nancy Sr. was glad to be rid of Frank and all his drama, and liked being a rich divorcée in Beverly Hills.

Well it has crossed my mind [R149] that Frank's daughters may have been just as guilty as being obsessed with getting their hands on Frank's money as they'd accused Barbara of being. Especially if what Max Clifford said about him being asked by Sinatra to keep stories of feuds between Barbara and his daughters out of the press from as early as 1992.

i loved carol wayne.. i wanted to be just like here when i grew up..... and i am a guy.

the most interesting information i ever found out was the FAWN HALL of the ira contra scandal. was working down the street, like a few feet from my house at book soup and that she had over dosed on meth. and had married the band manager of the doors. that info blew me away. i even went down to verify and a nice woman told me there that Fawn quit to work on her book about her late husband

[R155] Where is the quotes from your using about Fawn Hall? I'm a tad confused!

? all the informaton is listed on her wiki pedia page and then TMZ had a news article about here working at book soup after her meth overdose

[R157] It's an interesting saga that Fawn was involved in but what has that got to do with Barbara Sinatra?

R17 pre plastic surgery and blue contacts

R158. to be honest , sometimes i am in one posting and i post and then turn back and it goes to the wrong post. happens alot with age

Forgiven [R160] lol but if you do have any thoughts on Barbara Sinatra please post them!

" Personally I can't wait to dance on step-mommie's grave ! Ha ! "

[R162] Naughty but funny! I'd like to think the enmity between them wasn't as strong as that after all these years!

Nancy Sr and Jr are both lovely people. Never met Tina. Frank Jr very moody.

Barbara was a gold-digging cunt.

nancy jr . NOT lovely person.

Care to elaborate a little [R165]

R166 Oh No. but feel free to google and do other searches. nancy Jr=Hag

I've know the Nancys for years and they are are both very nice. Nancy Jr. heard a mutual friend lost his job and made one call and he started a new one the next week. Bonus points for both of them being very gay-friendly. The queens love Nancy Jr for the camp factor alone.

R168=Housekeeper

So cynical [R169]!!

Hardly a housekeeper.

R171. dont be a snob , nothing wrong with being a housekeeper. and most just adore their bosses even over looking their nasty side

I didn't know Barbara had died. My first day bussing tables in LA Tina Sinatra had a complete sobbing meltdown at the table. I believe Barbara was left ownership of the company but Tina was still to be chairwoman and run it. I will never forget her saying "Just wait until the first day that bitch tells me what to do". She came in about twice a month and she was almost always with Suzanne Pleshette. Nancy came in with Suzanne too from time to time but I never saw the 3 of them together. Nancy was very sweet, like your best friend's mom. She took great interest in my apartment search bless her. Tina was a raging hot mess but with no malice. Always polite to the staff.

I do know there was also major drama on the day of the funeral. Nancy organized a military salute and put the announcement on the website, Barbara said no way and the girls were going to skip the funeral until their lawyer intervened. I wish I could remember his name.... Robert or Richard Finklestein is all that comes to me....... He was also Pleshette's lawyer and one day I came over to clear the table and he was telling Tina he just couldn't do something, Pleshette grabs his shirt and says 'listen fuckface' then they notice me... At this point I was a server and he left me a very funny note on the check and a $50 tip. Nice man.

That $50 was for you to keep your trap shut, faygaleh!

" Ultimate ? Hah, she was small league.................... "

So Barbara Sinatra's son Bobby was her son with her FIRST husband, not Zeppo Marx, even though he calls himself "Bobby Marx", right? Does she have two sons or one?

Bobbys father is Robert Oliver Barbara's first husband and Barbara's only child. Barbara claimed that Zeppo wanted to adopt Bobby but Barbara's first husband said no. Bobby legally changed his last name to Marx but not adopted by Zeppo. That being said Barbara wrote in her book that Zeppo had Bobby sent to military school and had Bobby stay in a separate part of the house.

That would be Bobby is Barbara's only child.

Nancy Sr. looks way better (and younger) than daughter Nancy.

I think Ronan looks like a young Paul Newman.

I can't believe Nancy Sr. is still alive!

Yes [R180] 101 next year!

[QUOTE]Barbara Sinatra is dead to me.

HA ! I wrote the bitch off years ago !

Frank Sinatra is the most legendary vocalist of all time. Period. And all the great Rock stars, Bowie, Jagger, George Michael, McCartney would agree.

I certainly agree he truly was a legendary icon of music [R183]

R151 I was watching some PBS show on Bob Hope last night. They said he was a horrible womanizer and that he cheated with many women during his 60 something marriage. However, they said his main mistress was Marilyn Maxwell! That they had a real relationship for years. They showed lots of photos of them together.

Hmmm. Frank or Bob Hope? No contest.

R144, that's Vine with me.

Why is this thread bumped and what does the bump have to do with me?

Sorry Barb! ^^^[R187]

Now, she’s a whore in hell.

So young.

These Boots Were Made For Walking was some bad song. Her music was pretty macabre. She was a true democrat though and a friend to many of those other rich, shady ladies of her age. Jill St. John, Candice Bergen and Suzanne Pleshette. RIP Nancy. You couldn't sing. Didn't your dad ever tell you?

What?????

R191 needs a boot up his ass

Nancy Sinatra was the epitome of nepotism. Girl can't sing, at all. She kinds of hums along. What did she die of? Funny to be almost forgotten when her dad was one of the biggest celebrities and most celebrated recording artists in HISTORY. But Nancy was just a burnt sugar blonde riding on his coattails. Someone said she had a happy marriage but her husband died tragically. Did Frank put out a hit on him?

Regardless, RIP Nancy Sinatra. Malibu mourns you. You were richer than God. All those glossed over tributes and films and books and Reprise records kept you still living off daddy when you were 80 years old! A dynasty ends here. Frank Sinatra Jr. killed himself a number of years ago. Christina Sinatra has long lived in rehabs and mental hospitals. Nice ones. I don't think Frank had any grandchildren. Funny. Not usual with Italian families. Nancy is survived by her lawyers. Ha. Rumer Willis did a much better version of Bang Bang. Nancy Sinatra's music was very Tarantino. As in ironically bad singing and songs. May her memory be a blessing.

Nancy Sinatra's not dead.

Nancy was her middle name. Barbra Nancy Sinatra. RIP.

[quote]A dynasty ends here. Frank Sinatra Jr. killed himself a number of years ago. Christina Sinatra has long lived in rehabs and mental hospitals. Nice ones. I don't think Frank had any grandchildren.

Nancy Sinatra is still alive. Frank Jr. died from heart disease, not suicide. Tina Sinatra has never been on drugs or insane. Frank Sinatra has several grandchildren.

^ None of this is true. You are not an insider R197. Please, let us mourn Nancy with some dignity.

Guess it's time for you to put down the bottle and call it a night r198.

I'm not a drinker or an elder. But I know a corrective school marm elderfag when I encounter it here. If Nancy is not dead, they why are you all going on about her? Oh right, you're not. You're commenting on a dead thread about the death of Sinatra's widow in the hopes of spreading more misogyny and hate. Nasty old white bitchy comments. She's been dead for several years. I decided to run with it, cuz I'm bored. Who gets drunk at 7pm on a Sunday? You see my body and face and you'd not make that mistake again old man. We know that drinking, thinking about new ways to introduce Judy and Joan into this cesspool, while putting down all other women, millennials, black men and modern gay men is your only weekend entertainment. Time for you to put down the bottle and call it a life R199. RIP Nancy Sinatra. You were a shit singer but the songs were nasty. Long before my time.

r200 if you were 22 in 1985, per your previous post on the celebrity encounters thead, you are most definitely an elder. I'm nearly 20 years younger than you.

What? I was born in 1983. 'Trolldar' done told you what? You want to know what it shows me about you? You're a very old racist, misogynist, drunk, white fag. Is that you R201? Because I am new here. But I find your relentless dull spirit to be in keeping with your drunk reputation. You're not 20 years younger than anyone on Datalounge fool. We can see you. RIP Nanci Sinatra.

Did anyone else briefly misread this as "Barbra Streisand is dead to me"?

r202 you posted in the "Have you ever been seated next to a celebrity or semi-famous person?" thread a bunch of time. You're well into your 50s.

I've seen Nancy Sinatra in concert. She was the opening act for the B-52s, at Humphrey's By the Bay in San Diego. Yes, she can sing well and she does.

Barbara lived well after Frank's death.

Mrs. Sinatra taught me everything I know. I am highly indebted to her.

I sat behind her at a Sinatra concert. She was led to the seat just before the lights went down. My friend and I spent the entire concert dating each other to touch her hair “by mistake.” I finally did it. It was fully lacquered. Didn’t move when I touched it. We both giggled madly after I did it and that caught her attention. She turned and glared at us, but I gave her a little fairy wave as an apology and she winked and smiled.

I would have loved Frank just as much if he had been a dish washer.

She was fabulous.

She was too nice to Sinatra.