I think it is.
Is this the most beautiful female face of all time?
|by Anonymous||reply 288||Last Friday at 1:36 PM|
In 2017 this woman would still turn heads and crush hearts
|by Anonymous||reply 1||07/16/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 2||07/16/2017|
Leigh has crazy eyes, always a turn off.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||07/16/2017|
Who's that guy with the pompadour and snarl?
Yes, Leigh was stunning, though I have seen even better shots of her. There is a lot of variation also in how her mouth photographs. Sometimes it's beautifully sculpted, sometimes kind of crumpled looking. The only reason that someone would comment on her "crazy eyes" is that s/he knows Leigh's story.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||07/16/2017|
Beauty is very subjective. Knowing a person can change your perception of their beauty or lack there of.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||07/16/2017|
Woman in R2 has really large nose hole yuck
|by Anonymous||reply 6||07/16/2017|
Love, but, no. Not of all time. Vivian transcended when she was in motion. Def not a model. Better (and crazy!).
|by Anonymous||reply 7||07/16/2017|
This is the only Vivian I need
|by Anonymous||reply 8||07/17/2017|
But what Vivien do you need?
|by Anonymous||reply 9||07/17/2017|
Vivien's beauty didn't last long. She didn't age well at all, and became rather brittle looking. Sad.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||07/17/2017|
Uhh, bascuse me, this has been covered. The correct answer, according to beauty historians, is Lynda Carter.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||07/17/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 12||07/17/2017|
OP close but it's her more beautiful contemporary Hedy
|by Anonymous||reply 13||07/23/2017|
get a new prescription lenses.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||07/23/2017|
Miss Cillian Murphy has no equal.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||07/23/2017|
I just always thought Bo Derek had the most beautiful face. Friendly, pretty, mysterious, song, intelligent, sexy...
|by Anonymous||reply 16||07/23/2017|
She would have been even more beautiful, R16, if her nose hadn't been whittled down to a sharp little pencil.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||07/23/2017|
That little cat's arse mouth? Fuck it OP! Them ain't cock sucking lips!! No wonder Larry went back to the boys.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||07/23/2017|
Um, here she is as a teen and has the same nose. John starved her down to skin and bones.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||07/23/2017|
Difficult question. Lots of options but no one person stands clearly above the others.
At 48, Christy Turlington is still a gorgeous woman, but I've had a long-term crush on Edie Sedgwick, and subsequently any attractive actress/female with short hair.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||07/23/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 21||07/23/2017|
Elizabeth Taylor was always the most beautiful.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||07/23/2017|
There are few pictures of Hedy in color while she was young but here is another
|by Anonymous||reply 23||07/23/2017|
Just about any fresh faced cutie, 14-17, puts these bitches to shame. Most women lose it by the time they hit 20 and then start pasting on the makeup to find the dew again. It's a waste of time. Age is not kind to feminine beauty; but neither is living in the world of men.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||07/23/2017|
I completely agree, R22. An unimaginative and timeworn observation, but there it is.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||07/23/2017|
Alena Blohm, German model living in Manhattan
|by Anonymous||reply 26||07/23/2017|
Those duck lips, R26, ruin her face. Are you a plastic surgeon?
|by Anonymous||reply 27||07/23/2017|
Liz was a beautiful young woman but when she got to her late 20's she really faded. She grew up under MGM's guidance and was highly publicized as a very young woman.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||07/23/2017|
r28 = Joan Collins
|by Anonymous||reply 29||07/23/2017|
Maybe to White people it is.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||07/23/2017|
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|by Anonymous||reply 32||07/23/2017|
Yes R31, or Halle Berry (who played Dorothy in a biopic)
|by Anonymous||reply 33||07/23/2017|
And then there's Ava.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||07/23/2017|
No r27, I'm just a man who appreciates a gorgeous face. Another one of Alena Blohm:
|by Anonymous||reply 35||07/23/2017|
That bony thing upstairs?? Ew.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||07/23/2017|
Ava is said to have said to Richard Snyder, chairman of Simon and Schuster, "Elizabeth Taylor is not beautiful, she is pretty. I was beautiful."
|by Anonymous||reply 37||07/23/2017|
Everyone's choices make sense except R26. She's so plastic, she'll melt when she's 50.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||07/23/2017|
That doesn't sound like something Ava would have said, R37, just going by all that I've read about her and by her. She really didn't give a fuck about her looks, especially as she got older. She drank like a fish and she just didn't care.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||07/23/2017|
Paulina Porizkova during her 80s Lauder heyday. A spectacular looking model who seems largely forgotten today.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||07/24/2017|
Vivien was very beautiful. Maybe beyond Liz Taylor, who loved to be compared to her when se was a teenager. Still, Liz had a sultriness Vivien lacked. Here in her late 20s, looks fading fast.. [R28]
|by Anonymous||reply 41||07/24/2017|
No Marilyn Monroe? People! Seriously 🙄
|by Anonymous||reply 42||07/24/2017|
Dolores Del Rio was said by Marlene Dietrich to be the most beautiful woman in Hollywood.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||07/24/2017|
Sorry bitches, NOBODY could outshine Gene in her prime....not Vivien, not Hedy, Not Garbo , not Taylor or Monroe.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||07/24/2017|
I don't know her.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||07/24/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 46||07/24/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 47||07/24/2017|
In this montage there is a photo of Dietrich paying homage to the other worldly beauty of Dolores.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||07/24/2017|
They say that her body was flawless too.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||07/24/2017|
I agree r40. She was magnificent. Her face was near perfect, and what a body!!! Perhaps the most beautiful supermodel ever.....
|by Anonymous||reply 50||07/24/2017|
...and I love that photo, which I've never seen before...
|by Anonymous||reply 51||07/24/2017|
Hedy says, "I was pretty dam hot for someone born before WWI".
|by Anonymous||reply 52||07/24/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 53||07/25/2017|
Another vote for Hedy
|by Anonymous||reply 54||07/25/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 55||07/25/2017|
No white American woman is "the most beautiful woman of all time".
|by Anonymous||reply 56||07/25/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 57||07/25/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 58||07/25/2017|
Hedy and Ava lead the pack, but I would get the first prize to Ava Gardner. She always revealed so much in her face and eyes. That made her really special. Hedy was much cooler.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||07/25/2017|
Reply 59/Yes Hedy was aloof..maybe due to her great intelligence. I think Hedy had the better face but Ava was sexier and had a better body but I'd agree it's a two horse race.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||07/25/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 61||07/25/2017|
This is the Viv I prefer.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||07/25/2017|
For all the geriatric who are harping about the 30's, 40's and 50's, I'd have to go with Gene Tierney. Her face looks contemporary too. And I knew this thread would bring out that one person who swears up and down Liz taylor was the most beautiful. The only contest that pig would win is at a county fair.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||07/25/2017|
Grace Kelly was a plain Jane!
|by Anonymous||reply 64||07/25/2017|
R64 how dare you say that about Grace Kelly! She was beautiful inside and ot
|by Anonymous||reply 65||07/25/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 66||07/25/2017|
Hedy looks too basic, sorry.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||07/25/2017|
R16 Bo is not intelligent. She's actually quite stupid.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||07/25/2017|
Merle Oberon. Even Alexander Korda's first wife said she was.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||07/25/2017|
Gene Tierney and Dorothy Dandridge for the tie.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||07/25/2017|
Ava Gardner, Monica Bellucci and most exquisitely Vivien Leigh. Great beauty is a combination of classic and harmonious features, dynamic coloring and a bit of the exotic. The face must be beautiful in motion, not only in photos. Vivien Leigh best personifies that to me. Vivien with her heart shaped face, very long neck, striking eyes and graceful mouth - really was feminine perfection. She had dark auburn Hair with blue green eyes and a perfect smile. Even with next to no makeup in natural light, Leigh was stunningly beautiful.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||07/26/2017|
60s hair and makeup styling didn't do her any favors but Sharon Tate was a rare beauty.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||07/26/2017|
For years, Ann-Margret was listed as the most naturally beautiful actress, sans makeup. I agree.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||07/26/2017|
R24 I disagree totally. I am gay and so I don't look at women in a sexual-craving sense, but I think a lot of women in their late 30s up to about 42 are at their peaks. When the cheeks lose their baby fat and the face starts to sculpt itself, there feminine beauty is balanced with a mature knowingness that is glorious to me. Not all, but some beauties. Michelle Pfeiffer, for example, was pretty when she was young but could have been any number of generic starlets from a soap opera or "the girlfriend" in any given family movie. Here she is in 2000 at age 42 with some character on her face, tiny lines etched around her mouth. Tori Amos, too, (I'm a huge fan.) I think was most striking in her late 30s and early 40s before the cosmetic procedures.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||07/26/2017|
Wasn't there a computer generated image of the most visually appealing female and male faces created by someone awhile back?
|by Anonymous||reply 75||07/26/2017|
Yes 75 there was and it is not one of the ones listed here. I can't remember who it was but I think the computer needs a little more tweaking on its software. Who it chose was not that memorable.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||07/26/2017|
R76 Her name was Loretta. She's a 61 year-old Waffle House server from Clearwater, Florida. Everyone was shocked that she has the most beautiful face in the history of all mankind. But what most people don't know is that Helen of Troy also waitressed at a Waffle House later in life. Trojan retirement plans were shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||07/26/2017|
Scorpio dominates this thread. Just sayin...
Bo Derek, Dorothy Dandridge, Hedy Lamarr, Vivien Leigh, Gene Tierney, Grace Kelly, Lauren Hutton. And we didn't even mention Aishwarya Rye, Virna Lisi or Jean Seberg.
Damn, we Scorpios are fucking hot aren't we? The rest of ya's better recognize. We mezmerize.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||07/26/2017|
This thread proves that standards of beauty evolve, and also that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||07/26/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 80||07/26/2017|
Sorry but her being a homophobic, Republican, bitch puts her out of the running R80.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||07/26/2017|
Christy Turlington in her youth. Disgusting symmetry and proportion.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||07/26/2017|
Hmm.. I don't know, there are so many to choose from. Good work boys, keep it up. Just remember, do njot bring in any colored women in here.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||07/26/2017|
Vanity would knock all these bitches on their flat, bony asses. And her stunningly beautiful face was ALL natural. Yep, she really was born this way. Sorry Christy...and Maybelline.
Color her... 100% beautiful.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||07/26/2017|
After seeing the pic at r40, it is apparent that no image offered in this thread is more beautiful than this one.....
|by Anonymous||reply 85||07/26/2017|
There is a pic of her at r40 where she is in a gold jacket with a mans haircut that shows her face to be perfection....
|by Anonymous||reply 86||07/26/2017|
I just saw the Kim Novak interview on TCM and remember her as being very beautiful especially in Vertigo.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||07/26/2017|
Marilyn Monroe... owns all these bitches
|by Anonymous||reply 88||07/27/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 89||07/27/2017|
I know there's a mathematically "perfect" male face but I've never seen the female version.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||07/27/2017|
I really love Vivien Leigh. Her acting was awesome. Also she was super beautiful.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||07/27/2017|
I imagine that the closest that you will get to a mathematically perfect female face is Hedy Lamarr response 90. She had a perfect profile and proportions to her face. Lana Turner said she was like a statue just pure beauty and said she was the most beautiful women in Hollywood that she had ever seen..."she couldn't act but she was breathtaking".
|by Anonymous||reply 92||07/27/2017|
But Hedy was at her best just standing still and posing, and I mean, even in her films (not just her photos). Unlike Monroe, Hayworth, Leigh, and a few others who exuded a life force of beauty in their every movement.
Didn't she even famously say something like: "Any woman can be sexy. All you ahve to do is stand there and look stupis."
|by Anonymous||reply 93||07/27/2017|
Uh.........stupiD, that is.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||07/27/2017|
r36 types fat.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||07/27/2017|
not only beautiful but is a polyglot who speaks eight languages: Danish, English, French, German, Italian, Norwegian, Swedish, and a little Spanish.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||07/27/2017|
my favorite of marilyn... she looks so happy and pretty here....
|by Anonymous||reply 97||07/27/2017|
Hedy would have probably bagged the acting and just been a model in today's world but models didn't make the kind of money she did as an actress in those days. She definitely was not dealt the most perfect hand when she came to America, she only knew a few words of English and coming over to the US on the brink of WWII but she succeeded anyway. She was an introvert by nature and was a rather withdrawn type of person not usually the type of person that is a natural actor.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||07/27/2017|
Bon jour, bitches
|by Anonymous||reply 99||07/27/2017|
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|by Anonymous||reply 101||07/27/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 102||07/27/2017|
Young Isabelle Adjani had the perfect face, when she wasn't pulling her crazy-eyed look.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||07/27/2017|
Helen Lawson. She didn't age, she ripened.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||07/27/2017|
Helen Lawson didn't age. She fermented.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||07/27/2017|
Are there any pics of Hedy without that heavy, Hollywood makeup?
|by Anonymous||reply 106||07/27/2017|
helen lawson was marinated honey....
|by Anonymous||reply 107||07/27/2017|
[quote]Are there any pics of Hedy without that heavy, Hollywood makeup?
I don't think she's wearing too much of ANYTHING in this pic.
And yes, it's authentic.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||07/27/2017|
So much for Hedy's claim that she did not think she would be seen nude in Ecstasy as she was a long ways from the cameras when they were filming. She maintained they were using zoom out lens unbeknownst to her. I wonder if the term x rated came from this movie?
|by Anonymous||reply 109||07/27/2017|
RuPaul says that perfume counts.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||07/27/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 111||07/27/2017|
I love me some Gene Tierney
|by Anonymous||reply 112||07/27/2017|
IRL? Liv Ullmann.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||07/27/2017|
What about perennial DL fave Virna Lisi?
|by Anonymous||reply 114||07/27/2017|
No one has mentioned Rita Hayworth or Ingrid Bergman.
(Why should they, Vivien wins.)
|by Anonymous||reply 115||07/27/2017|
Let's not argue like they did on the insane c r a z y Sharon Tate thread. I vote for Vivien Leigh as the most beautiful but think that Marilyn deserves some better photos :)
She didn't have all the great features described above but I think she had an undeniably beautiful face. Full of feeling and expression that was not just studio magic. She exuded a kind of natural loveliness. The majority of her photos and film show her to be a luminous woman.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||07/27/2017|
Crazy You can tell how attractive a poster is to where they set their bar. Also the kinds of families they hail from. Lots of fugs on this thread.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||07/27/2017|
Hedy Lamarr must be some kind of a joke, she's just a frozen face full of makeup. Even then not beautiful. Who the fuck was she?
|by Anonymous||reply 118||07/27/2017|
Wow virna lisi! Thanks r114!
So do people fall over each other with Melania like they did with Carla Bruni? She's a babe too. I was in London when carla came with sarkozy. The tabloids couldn't get enough of her. Leaders were reduced to blushing bumbling boys. Ok they're always bumbling. But you get my point.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||07/27/2017|
[quote] Who the fuck was she?
A star who invented the Wifi and torpedo guidance systems.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||07/27/2017|
Still not a gorgeous pic of Marilyn Monroe on this thread.
Thanks DL for schooling this Kansas City country boy on Virna Lisi. Omg...
Liz was oh so beautiful. But hit the matron's wall way too soon.
Pam Grier is among the upper tier of exceptional Hollywood beauties, but suffered from the look and styling of her era. Yuck! If Pammy recieved the full glam treatment, she'd demolish half of the wannabes listed here.
Vanity, Vanity, VANITY. Only a rare specimen like Denise Matthews could get away with an "in you bitches plain faces," .. moniker like that. She has universal appeal.
|by Anonymous||reply 121||07/28/2017|
To read more about Hedy and her films follow this link to the IMDB
|by Anonymous||reply 122||07/28/2017|
Hedy on IMDB
|by Anonymous||reply 123||07/28/2017|
stupid eldergays and your pictures of Joan Crawford....she was a toxic person and not pretty...nice filter on that snap though...which one?
|by Anonymous||reply 124||07/28/2017|
Gotta thro a not to Farrah the hair, the eyes, the smile, that adorable personality and of course her VOICE damn
|by Anonymous||reply 125||07/28/2017|
*Got to Throw it to
|by Anonymous||reply 126||07/28/2017|
Farrah looking stunning in SUNBURN
|by Anonymous||reply 127||07/28/2017|
Farrah on a bike
|by Anonymous||reply 128||07/28/2017|
Farrah Same shoot
|by Anonymous||reply 129||07/28/2017|
Farrah and Raquel Welch- with Lee Majors
|by Anonymous||reply 130||07/28/2017|
Hedley, so divine
|by Anonymous||reply 131||07/28/2017|
Hey, putan at R130! That's not Raquel Welch--she's-a Sophia!
|by Anonymous||reply 132||07/28/2017|
Claudia Cardinale (known as 'the Italian Brigitte Bardot') was very lovely in her youth. She was one of the favorite actresses of famous gay Italian director Luchino Visconti and also Federico Fellini.
Like Brigitte Bardot, she didn't take care of herself and lost it all towards old age.
|by Anonymous||reply 133||07/28/2017|
Speaking of Sophia, she must be the most popular sex symbol who NEVER appears on these threads about the most beautiful ever.
An extraordinary face but not a classic beauty.
|by Anonymous||reply 134||07/28/2017|
I once saw a TV series with Belorussian-Russian actress Olga Fadeeva and was really taken by her understated Slavic beauty. Even without much makeup, her features pleased the eye.
|by Anonymous||reply 135||07/28/2017|
Having said that, a lot of non-actress women in Eastern Europe have lovely soft features like that.
|by Anonymous||reply 136||07/28/2017|
Just for you r83
Miss Bassett with cheekbones that could cut paper.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||07/28/2017|
Farrah was pretty, striking even, but not a classic beauty. It was the combination of that mane of blonde hair, her toothy smile, and her fit yet curvy physique...
|by Anonymous||reply 138||07/28/2017|
R130 i was gonna say raquel looks retarded in that pic but they just caught Sophia Loren at a awkward moment...
R131 : YES!!!! . "What the hell are you worried about? It's 1874, you can sue her"
|by Anonymous||reply 139||07/28/2017|
R136 - She's quite stunning. A natural beauty.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||07/28/2017|
Farrah had breast implants. It was pretty obvious when she posed for Playboy-not that there is anything wrong with them but she natural she was not natural.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||07/29/2017|
I think it was in the 80's they tried to create a model of the "Ideal" Caucasian female face and it looked like a eerily realistic Barbie doll.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||07/29/2017|
The mathematically perfect face, per plastic surgeons is Garbo.
The poster that complained Liz hit the wall too soon forget all beauties fade. If we are comparing them at their height, it is Liz. Widely recognized during her heyday. My father met her in person, no one could keep their eyes off her. She was not wearing makeup & most people did not realize who she was at first. Her eyes were a striking deep blue w/some green mixed in. No photo truly captures the eyes.
The poster who called her a pig never worked for AIDS and is probably fat.
If we are including Slavic women, all bets are off.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||07/29/2017|
the look says it all.....
|by Anonymous||reply 144||07/29/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 145||07/29/2017|
no, this is. those irish genes!!
|by Anonymous||reply 146||07/29/2017|
all the women posted here look like men. lohan looked like a fairy
|by Anonymous||reply 147||07/29/2017|
R75 may be thinking of the Golden Ratio study from July 2016
CELEBRITIES WITH THE MOST BEAUTIFUL FACES IN THE WORLD
1. Amber Heard 91.85%
2. Kim Kardashian 91.39%
3. Kate Moss 91.06%
4. Emily Ratajkowski 90.8%
5. Kendall Jenner 90.18%
6. Helen Mirren 89.93%
7. Scarlett Johansson 89.82%
8. Selena Gomez 89.57%
9. Marilyn Monroe 89.41%
10. Jennifer Lawrence 89.24%
|by Anonymous||reply 148||07/29/2017|
OT: They announced the men a few days ago
|by Anonymous||reply 149||07/29/2017|
Gotta add Jennifer O'Neill from "Summer of 42" on this list. Plus, anyone married 9 times earns a place in Datalounge infamy.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||07/29/2017|
The Golden Ratio is wrong.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||07/29/2017|
Perfection can be boring, though Amber Heard really is beautiful.
This woman is gorgeous in every way.
|by Anonymous||reply 152||07/30/2017|
Amber Heard being a star fucking wacko takes a few points off her score.
|by Anonymous||reply 153||07/30/2017|
I really wish the Hedy Lamar troll would die in a grease fire. She was passably pretty, not a great beauty by any objective measure. Those half moon eyebrows alone are such a distraction.....and not in a good way. Every photo of her looks exactly the same, with that blank stare and resting bitch face expression
You think THIS is the most beautiful face of all time?
|by Anonymous||reply 154||07/30/2017|
I own this thread
|by Anonymous||reply 155||07/30/2017|
Leigh was that bitch, with that eye brow lift she would command attention.
|by Anonymous||reply 156||07/30/2017|
Whose the actress from Irreversible, I always thought she was really beautiful.
|by Anonymous||reply 157||07/30/2017|
You are so wrong reply 154 that it's laughable. James Wong Howe, the great cinematographer said Lamarr was the most beautiful creature he ever photographed. The IMDb say Hedy is considered by many people critics and fans alike to be the most beautiful woman to have ever appeared in films and it says nothing like that about any other actress. Eileen Ford who founded and owned the Ford modeling agency said that Hedy had the most perfect face she had ever seen and then there is this guys column about her beauty. I'd recommend 154 getting an eye exam.
|by Anonymous||reply 158||07/30/2017|
Hedy without studio makeup
|by Anonymous||reply 159||07/30/2017|
Gloomy Gussy. Every picture of HL has the same sad sack expression.
|by Anonymous||reply 160||07/30/2017|
In the 1990s Liz Hurley was the most beautiful woman alive.
|by Anonymous||reply 161||07/30/2017|
A vote for Charlotte Rampling
|by Anonymous||reply 162||07/30/2017|
Liz Hurley, like Farrah Fawcett and Raquel Welch were overall stunning women. But not really facially beautiful.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||07/30/2017|
This is a full on glam look, but anyway you look at her Monica Bellucci is one of the great beauties of the world. She resembles the equally stunning Ava Gardner.
|by Anonymous||reply 164||07/30/2017|
Merle, like Audrey Hepburn and Sophia Loren, had an imperfect beauty, but beautiful nonetheless. She destroyed her skin, however, by using heavy oil based cosmetics to hide her racial origins.
|by Anonymous||reply 165||07/30/2017|
Not enough modern women in this thread. Models Vita Sidorkina, Toni Garrn, Cintia Dicker and Taylor Hill are perfect and gorgeous. I wish I knew how to attach pics. I also think Cheryl Tweedy/Cole/Etc is beautiful, but she's not considered classy. For me, the most beautiful female face I've ever seen is Norwegian model Frida Aasen, but my brother thought she looks like a foetus!
|by Anonymous||reply 166||07/30/2017|
r166 and your brother is right. He also forgot to tell you that you are dumb and useless
|by Anonymous||reply 167||07/30/2017|
I had a book on classic Hollywood that had a picture of a young Hedy, with yellow daisies in her hair, and I swear no one could be more gorgeous than her in that picture.
|by Anonymous||reply 168||07/30/2017|
Ah here it is
|by Anonymous||reply 169||07/30/2017|
These Hedley Lamarr photos are pathetic and hysterical. They are all the same. Bitch looks tired and bored and OLD.
|by Anonymous||reply 170||07/30/2017|
Bitch you're insane
|by Anonymous||reply 171||07/30/2017|
YASSS R120 hedy was fug Farrah was walking SEX
|by Anonymous||reply 172||07/30/2017|
I invented wifi and I fucking GLOW
|by Anonymous||reply 173||07/30/2017|
She looks like a blind depressed corpse.
|by Anonymous||reply 174||07/30/2017|
Yasss R174 she is FUGGO Another of the STUNNING Farrah
|by Anonymous||reply 175||07/30/2017|
Farrah looks like a dude in R175's picture
|by Anonymous||reply 176||07/30/2017|
Still better than heddy R176
|by Anonymous||reply 177||07/30/2017|
R1 that is an excellent photograph of her natural facial beauty; the photographer really knew what he was doing with lighting, makeup and very good skill. In OP's photo her incandescence isn't as present because she wasn't as personally present due to the circumstances, though she is stunning.
I have to agree with R3 that Viv's mental illness frequently telegraphed through her eyes, alongside the passion the camera caught in her acting; her mental instability shows, but it can be elusive to viewers given the passionate female roles with which she is most often associated.
She is a great beauty of a very prominent type, but there are others with a greater depth of classical beauty. To me it is not a contest, rather a celebration of the exquisite range of great female beauty seen everywhere. Of celebrated beauties I wouldn't compare Catherine Deneuve and Viv - they are simply different beauties.
|by Anonymous||reply 178||07/30/2017|
It's kind of hard to compare people from different eras given the advancements in photography. Fortunately we got to see Vivian at her peak thanks to Gone With The Wind. Garbo was at her peak in the late silent era. She does have some color photos but they were much later than that unless someone knows where some are? There are some that have been photoshopped to make them appear in color but true color photos from the 1920's are rare and then the quality is not great.
|by Anonymous||reply 179||07/30/2017|
....all bow down now
|by Anonymous||reply 180||07/30/2017|
Is that Barbara Carrera?
|by Anonymous||reply 181||07/30/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 182||07/30/2017|
To me Hedy always looked like a less interesting version of Vivien. There are some similarities in their features and coloring but Vivien takes the top prize for me because of her fiery presence, so strong that it still radiates and burns in a studio photograph taken decades ago. In comparison Hedy looks like a beautiful inert mannequin.
|by Anonymous||reply 183||07/30/2017|
[quote] Vivien takes the top prize for me because of her fiery presence, so strong that it still radiates and burns in a studio photograph taken decades ago.
I see what you're saying but I don't know.....
even in her non-GWTW studio and publicity shots she just always came off as a BITCH to me.
|by Anonymous||reply 184||07/30/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 185||07/30/2017|
Vivien Leigh was not only lovely and delicate and fiery. She was sexy and had gorgeous coloring. She really was classically beautiful - like a piece of sculpture.
|by Anonymous||reply 186||07/30/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 187||07/30/2017|
I always thought Lauren Bacall was almost inhumanly beautiful when she was young...shame she ended up being a huge bitch.
|by Anonymous||reply 188||07/31/2017|
Before she was glamorized into the creature known as Marilyn Monroe, Norman Jean Baker was a pretty, buxom girl but no great beauty. Early photos of her show her with a rather bulbous nose and a head full of very curly, unruly reddish brown hair. After bleaching her hair blonde, and having some nose surgery and a chin implant she looked like a different person.
I never was much impressed with Farrah Fawcett's looks. I never thought she was particularly exceptional.
It's pointless to try and pick a "most beautiful" model, actress, etc. There were many great beauties. There wasn't one that was better than all the rest.
|by Anonymous||reply 189||07/31/2017|
The 'Golden Ratio' list in R148 is surprising. This hyped ratio analysis seems off-base.
I mean, Helen Mirren?! She's ok, but she was more known as a sex vixen than as a beauty.
One doesn't analyze a face just by a rigid 'frontal view'. You also take notice of a person's 'profile view' and 'half-profile view' ('three-quarter view').
Some people look perfect looking direct at a camera. The minute they turn / tilt their head even slightly - a different story emerges. Often their nose, etc starts to look less perfect (esp. from a particular side). That's why many people only photograph from their best (left vs right) side.
|by Anonymous||reply 190||07/31/2017|
Cindy Crawford was so beautiful in her youth and now her daughter Kaia has been drawing attention.
|by Anonymous||reply 191||07/31/2017|
Cindy's offspring, Kaia Gerber. Nice girl, thin long model body, eyes too close for comfort. Wouldn't have drawn so much attention if it wasn't for rich, celebrity mom.
|by Anonymous||reply 192||07/31/2017|
Even in later years, Mirren's nose looked slightly prosthetic. So much for that 'golden ratio' list.
|by Anonymous||reply 193||07/31/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 194||07/31/2017|
R184 Vivien Leigh was supposed to come off as a bitch in those GWTW publicity photos. She was playing Scarlett O'Hara, the biggest bitch heroine in literature of all time.
In real life, she was fragile and mentally unbalanced with bipolar disorder.
|by Anonymous||reply 195||07/31/2017|
Does the ratio measure the face from the side as well?
|by Anonymous||reply 196||07/31/2017|
In one of Noel Coward's biographies it is recorded that the young Vivien complained that she often had to ask people, "Are you listening to me?" because mid-conversation they would just go gaga staring at her.
Though I'd go with Vivien or Ava (or Audrey Hepburn for the more offbeat), I'm surprised nobody on this thread has suggested Diana. Again, not a classic beauty, but did the camera ever love her.
|by Anonymous||reply 197||07/31/2017|
i have seen so many gorgeous shots of bacall when she was younger...those eyes....stunning photos. but as we see....
I do believe it is more than somewhat subjective......
|by Anonymous||reply 198||07/31/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 199||07/31/2017|
I agree with the above posters regarding Kaia Crawford. She ain't all that. In the pic at r192, she is homely. She'd never make it as a model if not for her famous mom. Now, her brother is another matter.....
|by Anonymous||reply 200||07/31/2017|
Lauren Bacall lived to be 89. She lived fast if not hard. Smoked and drank constantly and loved and lost painfully. She was invested, contentious and a complicated personality. Very intelligent woman for someone in the film business. Why would she be expected to look like her 19 year old self? There is nothing more fleeting than beauty. Does anyone really think that Jane Fonda is beautiful? Yes some on DL do. But she was only pretty on her best day and always with the visible eating disorder and scared expression. She is better preserved than Bacall. With formaldehyde. Give her another 10 years. She's a lifelong terrified woman and her memory and looks are going. She will have to hide. Bacall was tough. I'll take tough.
That said, I don't think Bacall was one of the great beauties, ha. But a tawny kitten grown into a imperious cat, for sure.
|by Anonymous||reply 201||07/31/2017|
Kate Hepburn had a face that aged well.....
|by Anonymous||reply 202||07/31/2017|
Madeleine Carroll was quite a beauty but she was primarily in British films.
|by Anonymous||reply 203||07/31/2017|
Has anyone yet mentioned Greta Garbo? Her facial bone structure was considered perfection. Her body was nothing special, but her face was one of a kind.
|by Anonymous||reply 204||08/01/2017|
Hedy at 37 in this picture. It's a shame she wasn't filmed in color when she was at MGM while she was in her prime.
|by Anonymous||reply 205||08/03/2017|
Hedy has a very mutable beauty, at least on film, she can look gorgeous as at R205 or she can appear rather mousy and uninteresting. .There is a subtlety to her bone structure that is often missed by the camera...factor in lighting, hair and makeup and the variances make sense.
I have a feeling Hedy looked BEST in person. Her contemporaries always seemed to cite her as THE best looking actress in Hollywood and they probably saw her up close.
Without the "benefit" of studio photography and makeup here she is in 1969 at 55yo looking absolutely stunning.
And apparently, Woody fucking Allen was ALWAYS an annoying little creep.
|by Anonymous||reply 206||08/03/2017|
Did it take 200 responses to name a non-white woman? Christ.
|by Anonymous||reply 207||08/03/2017|
R207 wants affimative action for personal taste.
|by Anonymous||reply 208||08/03/2017|
Relax R207....it only took untill R31.
|by Anonymous||reply 209||08/03/2017|
She is stunning and I love her. One of my favorite movie actresses.
|by Anonymous||reply 210||08/03/2017|
Any votes for Alison Doody? She's pretty white- I mean, she played a Nazi.
|by Anonymous||reply 211||08/03/2017|
Doody is mathematically perfect I suppose but too reptilian and cold for my taste....I guess that's why she made a good NAZI.
I like sweeter, kinder faces.
|by Anonymous||reply 212||08/03/2017|
Here's Lorretta Young at 15
|by Anonymous||reply 213||08/03/2017|
More Loretta from Laugh, Clown, Laugh with Lon Chaney.
|by Anonymous||reply 214||08/03/2017|
Iman is perfection.
|by Anonymous||reply 215||08/03/2017|
That golden ratio algorithm sequencing (Marquardt mask) also has one for side views or profiles. Profile is not taken into consideration anymore, probably because selfies are gold standard of the way we present beauty nowdays. Back in 30s and 40s profile was everything.
|by Anonymous||reply 216||08/03/2017|
Some serious false eyelashes Joan has there, R216! It must have been difficult to see through that fringe.
|by Anonymous||reply 217||08/03/2017|
R208, pretty poor taste.
|by Anonymous||reply 218||08/03/2017|
I can see that Hedy Lamarr was beautiful, but something is off that lessens it. I think it's the mouth. Objectively, it should be perfect - it even has a naturally fuller upper lip that women pay for today. but it lacks expression or real definition, or something and IMO shows something is off. People who are truly gorgeous in a 3 dimensional way, I think just looking at them is entertainment. I get bored w/Hedy.
Vivien Leigh and Elizabeth Taylor were both gorgeous. Ava Gardner as well.
Joan has that sloping forehead. I like non-sloped foreheads.
|by Anonymous||reply 219||08/03/2017|
Yes OP, I believe so.
|by Anonymous||reply 220||08/03/2017|
Dark hair/light eyes is the most rare combination in nature. That's probably why we prize Viv, Liz and Ava.
|by Anonymous||reply 221||08/04/2017|
Great Hollywood beauties:
Clara Bow in her prime
|by Anonymous||reply 222||08/04/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 223||08/04/2017|
There is no such thing as THE most beautiful face of all time. There is only consensus on what that might look like and as we can see on this thread there is a lot of disagreement.
I think ALL these women have genetic "beauty" and while biology plays into what the human brain perceives as attractiveness, ultimately, it's purely subjective and based on preference.
|by Anonymous||reply 224||08/04/2017|
Carice Van Houten reminds me of Vivien Leigh.
|by Anonymous||reply 225||08/04/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 226||08/04/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 227||08/04/2017|
Hedy had a sensational face. She could be photographed from any angle and still look great. She had one of the best profiles and was the most requested nose of plastic surgeons years for years.
|by Anonymous||reply 228||08/05/2017|
Hedy and Vivien Leigh both had very delicate features and that was certainly part of their beauty. But I think that kind of delicacy also tends to age badly and faster.
Ava, Rita and Lana all had broader and bigger features and each looked better into their 40s than either Hedy or Vivien. IMHO.
|by Anonymous||reply 229||08/05/2017|
You probably have a good point about Vivian and Hedy. They are the same age in fact only 4 days apart. All people today have ever seen Hedy in is Samson and Delilah and by that time she was still beautiful but starting to look kind of hard where if you see her from her earlier movies like th one linked below she is very soft and feminine but it's ten years earlier. "Come live with me" is a fine little comedy about an illegal alien being deported which is certainly topical in the Trump universe we find ourselves in today. You can watch the entire movie if you follow the link below.
|by Anonymous||reply 230||08/05/2017|
I don't know, OP, seems like a generic young white woman's face. And I don't see why we should be musing about female beauty here, go ask that on The L Chat.
|by Anonymous||reply 231||08/05/2017|
Yes, R230, gay men are not interested in female beauty, at all. Moron.
Hedy laffs at you.
|by Anonymous||reply 232||08/05/2017|
r232 We need to be disabused of such heteronormative hobbies, then.
|by Anonymous||reply 233||08/05/2017|
My list: Ava Gardner
|by Anonymous||reply 234||08/05/2017|
[quote]We need to be disabused of such heteronormative hobbies, then.
Deal with it......many gay men LOVE watching beautiful, sexy, powerful Alpha women work the fuck out of it. Just as one might admire a ferocious tigress going in for the kill.
It's not about attraction......it's about aesthetic appreciation and .respect.
|by Anonymous||reply 235||08/05/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 236||08/05/2017|
Really, Gong Li?.. She's kind of flat around the cheekbones. She's fine, but I see far more beautiful women waiting the tables of my local Oriental restaurant every day.
|by Anonymous||reply 237||08/06/2017|
This thread is so pathetic. A bunch of queens fantasizing about mother figures, which is why none of them deviate from a certain race and feature standard. And this site is anti trans? Clearly, half of you would love to be reborn as these moderately beautiful bitches posted here. Light eyes and dark hair is not "the mist rare, prized thing in nature". I am dark featured with light eyes and that is not some holy grail of beauty. Some of you are truly stuck in the 50's and 60's, when you were children. Old, old, old.
|by Anonymous||reply 238||08/06/2017|
[quote]Some of you are truly stuck in the 50's and 60's, when you were children. Old, old, old.
Calling people out for their immutable characteristics and conditions?
You sound like a hypocritical bigot.
|by Anonymous||reply 239||08/06/2017|
As gay men, we shouldn't be helping promote this idea of women as ultimate objects of aesthetic contemplation. It's utterly self-defeating. Do you think on the L Chat they make thread about "perfect"-looking dudes?
|by Anonymous||reply 240||08/06/2017|
R238 is the racist, homophobic, anti-white troll.
|by Anonymous||reply 241||08/06/2017|
Why we always end up with women from the 1930's and 40's is that was the height of the studio system when they would take a working class girl like Ava Gardner in off of the streets when a scout for MGM saw a picture of her in her brother in laws studio window and they would then spend the money on her to groom her into a star. The Hollywood dream factory is gone and they aren't combing every beauty pageant and shop window for some beauty they might be able to later make into a star, which is in large part why the most beautiful women in movies were from that era.
If you are looking for the most beautiful women today get a SI swimsuit issue.
|by Anonymous||reply 242||08/07/2017|
Well, yes, the studios did groom those girls into goddesses but the real difference is that back in those decades the studios controlled all the film and PR photos of their stars and never allowed them to look like anything but the goddesses the turned them into.
And the public never saw them without makeup, hair styling and flattering lighting, looking their absolute best, even in candid shots.
|by Anonymous||reply 243||08/07/2017|
And to add to what I just said, it's proof of how glorious Marilyn Monroe was that she was often photographed without much studio help throughout the 1950s and never looked like anything less than a goddess.
|by Anonymous||reply 244||08/07/2017|
Absolutely beautiful people kind of distract from the storyline too. How realistic is it meet an all world beauty in a grocery store unless you're filming a James Bond type of fantasy movie. So today we have Jennifer Aniston types of hot women instead of Hedy Lamarr's so 8's are the new 10's.
|by Anonymous||reply 245||08/07/2017|
So many "stars" today are the product of nepotism- Angelina, Gwyneth, Jennifer A, even Sandra Bullock's mom was an opera singer. All those awful modern ones- the Maras (NFL is entertainment), lily Collins, any jenners...
It really isn't authentic- Michelle Pfeiffer and Sharon Stone are the last of the beautiful middle class American girls made into Hollywood stars.
|by Anonymous||reply 246||08/07/2017|
Gong Li is certainly attractive, but she can't hold a candle to Joan Chen in her prime. Glorious.
|by Anonymous||reply 247||08/07/2017|
[quote]So many "stars" today are the product of nepotism- (...) even Sandra Bullock's mom was an opera singer.
Wait, are we saying that being a German opera singer is the inroad one needs to make it in the Hollywood shtetl?
|by Anonymous||reply 248||08/07/2017|
"This thread is so pathetic.....", and yet r238 manages to slog through 237 posts in order spout her drivel. My guess is she knows something about pathetic....
|by Anonymous||reply 249||08/07/2017|
I'm with R204. All of these women are beautiful and many of them have an appealing prettiness besides just a general balance of aesthetics. But what I find was exceptional about Garbo was how she had the same feminine, very pretty features, except they looked like they were pulled over a severe, almost Gaston Lachaise scuplture-esque bone structure. It was a very otherworldly, ethereal look that's hard to reproduce unless you were born with basic goods.
You can also see how extraordinary her bone structure was as a both, a young girl and old woman. As a young girl, any weight gain would lead to an almost caricaturish exaggeration of features like her cheek apples and chin: That's because her bone volume was so dense and it added to the pronouncement of her facial structure. As an old woman, she still kept distinguishable, sharp-for-her-age features because her bone structure was so pronounced, even though bone density loss as we age usually impacts the character in our faces in a significant way.
The phrase "she was an interesting beauty" always sounds pretentious but she really was. Her beauty transcended factors of human fertility, which (and don't kill me for this but it's biology and obviously, this is not personal in any way) many of the other women on here had their beauty tied to. She had the sort of beauty a woman could grow into.
My grandmother looked very much like her and was a model in her youth. Aging took very little away from the looks she was able to make a living from as a girl because she had that sort of timeless look. She'd look elegant in a plain turtleneck and slacks because she just had that sort of build.
|by Anonymous||reply 250||08/07/2017|
Garbo was great especially in silent movies. She was just a wonder in convening emotions with out having to speak. Silent movies are fascinating how good they became before sound was introduced.
|by Anonymous||reply 251||08/07/2017|
R251 Agreed. When it was revealed she had a fascinating, alto voice that left an impression on audiences, she carried those honed silent film skills with her into sound and was careful how she used her voice dynamics in that realm, as well. This only added to her star power.
|by Anonymous||reply 252||08/07/2017|
Look at all this busy-ness around her on the set. Yet, all your eyes go to is her face and posture.
|by Anonymous||reply 253||08/07/2017|
Garbo was very striking; she was unique. I don't know that I consider her a great beauty so much as a great presence-she was the cynosure of all eyes when she was on the screen.
|by Anonymous||reply 254||08/07/2017|
R254 Weirdly, I think her incredible screen presence just masked her beauty. It's hard to zone out and concentrate on the aesthetics because there were just so many more fascinating things going on with her posture and expressions. I know in the silent film era, some of the exaggerated postures could border on ridiculous but she was still inherently elegant enough to make it work in even absurd story lines.
Her good looks were almost just like a tasteful backdrop rather than the most impactful part of her performances. That's what many people don't realize about most film stars; a large part of their allure is just about the random, genetic jackpot of how a person looks in light, how good their looks translate to the big screen. Many people get dazzled by the looks and it influences how they read a performance, even if the quality of the performance isn't necessarily exceptional. Garbo defied that, sort of challenged audiences with: "I dare you to focus on my looks and miss trying to figure-out what I'm thinking." Some people pretend to not have vanity but deep down, you know they are measuring themselves up every time they pass their reflection. With Garbo, whether it were true or not, if someone claimed she had no vanity, you believed it.
Definitely one of a kind.
|by Anonymous||reply 255||08/07/2017|
Gong Li was/is stunning, the epitome of real authentic Asian beauty.
|by Anonymous||reply 256||08/08/2017|
Did someone call? Sorry I've been having legal troubles.
|by Anonymous||reply 257||08/10/2017|
[quote]Gong Li, the epitome of real authentic Asian beauty
Nope. Kurara Chibana is.
|by Anonymous||reply 258||08/10/2017|
Whereas the above pics of Hedy are beautiful, she has a vacant/vacuous look in nearly all of them. The pics submitted of Garbo, however, exhibit a mystery and an intelligent allure not often seen...
|by Anonymous||reply 259||08/10/2017|
R258, that lady looks like she's had plastic surgery-- the bridge of the nose, the fuller lips. She doesn't look natural whereas Gong Li's beauty is.
|by Anonymous||reply 260||08/11/2017|
Also, r258 is not remotely pretty. She looks like a skull with some skin on.
|by Anonymous||reply 261||08/11/2017|
R260, photos don't do her justice, Here is she at the 2006 Miss Universe, where she was 1st runner up.
|by Anonymous||reply 262||08/12/2017|
Sorry, wrong link. Here is Kurara.
|by Anonymous||reply 263||08/12/2017|
Agree with R261, a stick with bones. The lady in your first link, Miss Universe, is far more attractive.
|by Anonymous||reply 264||08/13/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 265||08/16/2017|
Hedy had usual coloration, raven colored thick hair, blue green eyes and alabaster skin. Too bad she wasn't filmed in color until 1949. This picture is from 1940.
|by Anonymous||reply 266||08/19/2017|
In my opinion: Early 90s Whitney wins
|by Anonymous||reply 267||08/19/2017|
I'll give Vivien the win for White women but I'll go with r267 for Black. Now what about Asians....
|by Anonymous||reply 268||08/19/2017|
How old are you fucking people? The gays never forget, they're like elephants
|by Anonymous||reply 269||08/19/2017|
And you sound like a jackass.....
|by Anonymous||reply 270||08/20/2017|
We bought a zoo!!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 271||08/20/2017|
For Asian beauties and current female actresses (which are not many in Hollywood, sadly), there's Jessica Henwick from Netflix Iron Fist and The Defenders.
|by Anonymous||reply 272||08/20/2017|
Frances Farmer was a great beauty too bad she had such a troubled life.
|by Anonymous||reply 273||08/22/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 274||05/23/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 275||05/23/2020|
r24 = "When I buy my wife, at first she cook good, her vagine worked well, she strong on plow, but three years later when she was fifteen, she receive hair on her chest, her voice become deep, and her vagine hang like sleeve of wizard."
|by Anonymous||reply 276||05/23/2020|
So many of the examples are from the "golden era" (or eras) of Hollywood. The comparison is how the face holds make-up... the face is a canvas for some other kind of art... and how the face communicates the finished image to a camera. It's certainly a kind of beauty to be judged...
But the faces that are great canvases (Lamar, Garbo) lack the interesting "imperfections" that define real beauty, for me. The wabi sabi nature of the human face-with-a-view (cue Naïve Melody). I'd add some of those French faces, which aren't about make up...
|by Anonymous||reply 277||05/23/2020|
... and Juliette Binoche
|by Anonymous||reply 278||05/23/2020|
... and the French mystique of a woman-of-a-certain-age keeping, even enhancing her beauty as life etches its story on her face....
|by Anonymous||reply 279||05/23/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 280||05/23/2020|
R280 ... as life etches its story on a face, not life dropping a refrigerator from the third floor on it.
|by Anonymous||reply 281||05/23/2020|
OP IS Hitler.
And a shill, too.
|by Anonymous||reply 282||05/23/2020|
Model Larissa Hofmann to me
|by Anonymous||reply 283||10/31/2020|
Just get on the subway, 6, in NYC. I have seen so many beautiful woman on my ride uptown.
|by Anonymous||reply 284||10/31/2020|
I watched Sarah Cooper's comedy special on Netflix, and I think she has a very nicely proportioned face, great cheekbones, large eyes, and she's very expressive.
|by Anonymous||reply 285||10/31/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 286||Last Friday at 1:08 PM|
When you say "of all time", OP, I assume you mean since the very recent invention of photography?
|by Anonymous||reply 287||Last Friday at 1:11 PM|
As long as we are going old school, Nefertiti would like a word....
|by Anonymous||reply 288||Last Friday at 1:36 PM|