STUDY: Female bisexuality is linked with Dark Triad personality traits -- such as psychopathy

Checking table 3, the Dark Triad traits are thus distributed among the sexual orientation groups:

- Machiavellism is high among the two bisexual groups and lower in the other 3 groups: exclusive heterosexuals, mostly heterosexuals, and mostly/exclusive lesbians (mostly/exclusive lesbians were lumped together in the same group).

- Narcissism is a bit higher among exclusive heterosexuals than among everyone else.

- Psychopathy is higher in all the bisexual and lesbian groups than in the two heterosexual groups.

What is a moderate level of female bisexuality?

Nobody gives a shit about female bisexuals on DL

Toxic Abuse in LGBT Relationships: Lesbian Narcissistic Abusers Are Different

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)'s 2010 National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey reports on the lifetime prevalence of rape, physical violence or stalking by an intimate partner, focusing for the first time on victimization by sexual orientation.

!!!!!! It finds a victimization prevalence of 43.8 percent for lesbians, making it the second most affected group after bisexual women (61.1 percent), ahead of bisexual men (37.3 percent), heterosexual women (35 percent), heterosexual men (29 percent) and homosexual men (26 percent).[9]

being booted as captain of a billion-dollar warship for "cruelty and maltreatment" of her 400-member crew. According to the Navy inspector general's report that triggered her removal — and the accounts of officers who served with her — Captain Holly Graf was the closest thing the U.S. Navy had to a female Captain Bligh.

A Navy admiral stripped Graf of her command of the Japan-based guided missile cruiser U.S.S. Cowpens in January. The just-released IG report concludes that Graf "repeatedly verbally abused her crew and committed assault" and accuses her of using her position as commander of the Cowpens "for personal gain." But old Navy hands tell TIME that those charges, substantiated in the IG report, came about because of the poisonous atmosphere she created aboard her ship.

[quote] What is a moderate level of female bisexuality?

It's right there -- it's the sexual orientation represented by points 1 (heterosexual with non-frequent homosexual attractions) and 2 (heterosexual with homosexual attractions) on the Kinsey scale.

R5 That's some scary shit.

It doesn't make much sense to me to narrow it down to bisexual women unless the agenda is to diss bisexuality. Pretty much every career woman has to be a ball busting, sociophathic cunt (or a self serving suck up) to rise to the top in her profession. Ambitious people have to be over the top selfish and self driven in order to succeed. And, of course, that impacts personal relationships.

We're always bombarded with the propaganda about straight men and their evil, abusive "rape culture" and toxic masculinity. Nobody ever talks about this toxic femininity, or rather the hyper-masculinity adopted by these dykes in their relationships.

Congrats to gay men for being at the bottom of the list:

"It finds a victimization prevalence of 43.8 percent for lesbians, making it the second most affected group after bisexual women (61.1 percent), ahead of bisexual men (37.3 percent), heterosexual women (35 percent), heterosexual men (29 percent) and homosexual men (26 percent).[9]"

R9 What are you speaking about?

The study is not about successful people but about bisexual women. And you can't cry biphobia every time someone doesn't praise bisexuality but study it as an object.

R10 I always thought that gay relationships are the less abusive cause there's a strong sense of equality in gay couples.

And I agree that feminism lost the point on many issues even if I'm feminist. I must say that It's getting harder and harder to keep being a feminist with all their shit.

Where are the reasonnable feminists?

[quote]And you can't cry biphobia every time someone doesn't praise bisexuality but study it as an object.

Yes, I can. A study LOOKING and surprise, surprise FINDING "proof" for that link is biphobic from the start.

That's like being made aware of a study that says McDonald fast food meals are healthy for you and you can't shake off the feeling that McDonalds funded that study.

[quote] Congrats to gay men for being at the bottom of the list:

And congrats on being at the top of every list by the CDC.

Meanwhile, bi women are the biggest cum-dumpsters for straight men of them all.

R13 You're shitting on the messanger here.

Every study starts with some hypothesis. You can't say that this study wanted to prove something biphobic from the start just cause you don't like the results.

You need better arguments than "they have no right to study this question, specially cause I don't like the results".

This thread will end in tears.

[quote]You need better arguments than "they have no right to study this question, specially cause I don't like the results".

I never insisted they have not the right to do such a study and publish their so called findings. They have every right to do so as I have the right to claim it's bullshit. You don't like other people's opinons on this matter? Well, sucks to be you.

[quote]You need better arguments than "they have no right to study this question, specially cause I don't like the results".

And you need a better argument for trying to shut opposing opinons down.

Say, this thread is getting more heated than the ranch dip one!

R18 You can't say their study is bullshit cause you don't like the results. If you say this study sucks you have to give scientific arguments, like the panel is wrong or there's bias against bisexuality in the process.

Saying it sucks cause it sucks is not an argument.

r21, it's an opinion. Do you have a problem with other people's opinions? Do you have a problem with other people not trusting studies that they perceive have an agenda they don't agree with?

R22 Yes, in fact I have. Cause it's the same reasonning behing climate change is a hoax, creationism in schools and flat eath is real.

Science and opinions are not the same things.

I prefer orange to banana is an opinion. Bullshitting a scientific study cause you don't like the result, is not an opinion, it's alt-right post-factual bullshits.

[quote] Yes, in fact I have.

Sucks to be you then since this is a message board where everybody can post and disagree with you.

Yeah, and keep voting for Trump. Cause, you're not part of the problem.

r25, *LOL* that's your argument? I have to be a Trump voter because I reject your study with a biphobic agenda? Trump voters are totally pro bisexuality now? Really?

Check your bisexual privilege. You sound like a black person who says "dat's rayciss" whenever black crime rates are mentioned.

R27 Lol, basically.

What's next, calling me the Anti Jew troll? *LOL*

Let me guess, OP's girlfriend left him for a woman and in order to come to terms with that fact he has to come up with the study that she is a sociopath bitch?

R27 What's bisexual privilege?

WHY is there no comic book/video game/movie empire called the Dark Triad?

Their super powers?

[quote]And you can't cry biphobia every time someone doesn't praise bisexuality but study it as an object.

This is no study. This is more psychowoo from D-vida, whose thread yesterday about the Large Hadron Collider went so hilariously tits up that she had to start a new thread to try to save face.

"Dark Triad personality traits"? Come on now, people. I know most of our regulars are smarter than this.

Exactly. OP is pissed nobody is buying his "study" bullshit.

The same people who are saying this is just a "study" are the same people who cry when "studies" prove gay men have the highest rate for STD's and most of them are racist... but yanno studies!

[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]

"Studies" part 2

R33 Go read the actual article before saying it's woohoo BS.

Look, I'm not psychologist, but clearly you're not too.

If a study said that bisexuals are the most wonderful people on earth, you would praise it and say it's obvisouly true. But as you don't like the result, it's false.

I swear gay men are secretly envious of bisexuals

[quote]Every study starts with some hypothesis.

And many hypotheses are biased (if not outright bogus) from the start.

No real research begins with a biased presumption and then tests only to confirm that presumption. Unfortunately, the media tends to both misinterpret studies AND gravitate toward the ridiculous, which means a lot of research that is inherently faulty gets presented as truth.

In this case, you have an evopsych study using the "dark triad" pop psychology theory, which should set off warning bells for most right out of the gate. Evopsych is routinely used to explain why blacks, women, gays, and other non-white non-straight minorities are "inferior." It's a subjective and largely discredited discipline. Meanwhile, the "dark triad" is, as I said, pop psychology, basically taking the study of what is colloquially known as the "big five" and reducing it down to three personality traits and/or disorders, then applying it to business management styles and celebrity behavior.

It should be a HUGE red flag to everyone that the study itself cannot be found online. The abstract is online but there are no copies of this Canadian study anywhere, only articles reporting on what the study allegedly says.

That OP wants you to think the study is groundbreaking is hilarious; they haven't even read the study, just a magazine's interpretation of the study.

That's your opinion.

"I swear gay men are secretly envious of bisexuals"

R39 checking in with his Machiavellianism.

R40 I said that if you can prove actual bias in the actual studies I would agree with, but you didn't read the two studies. You just say that hypothetically there's wrong bias.

Go find them and expose them rather than crying on DL

R42 You're stupefied if you don't think that after reading this thread

Dark Triad = Jewish Triangle

Narcissism is characterized by grandiosity, pride, egotism, and a lack of empathy.[10]

Machiavellianism is characterized by manipulation and exploitation of others, a cynical disregard for morality, and a focus on self-interest and deception.[11]

Psychopathy is characterized by continuing antisocial behavior, impulsivity, selfishness, callousness, and remorselessness.[12]

A factor analysis carried out at the Glasgow Caledonian University found that among the big five personality traits, low agreeableness is the strongest correlate of the dark triad, while neuroticism and a lack of conscientiousness were associated with some of the dark triad members.[11]

Reading the sources cited on the abstract is just killing me over here. One of the articles they cite is "What is sexual orientation and do women have one?"

It's a study where someone asked if women, as in the entire gender of human females, even HAVE sexual orientation. The research then goes on to say that men have sexual orientation as proven by their arousal patterns, but women have different arousal patterns, therefore they probably don't have the capability to have a sexual orientation.

This is hilarious. I mean, politically we're very wary of people (often Republicans/conservatives/fundies) who shout down scientific research, so I think many people here on DL don't realize that there is quite a market in bullshit psychological-scientific research. It shouldn't surprise you that many of the nuttier researchers are testing specifically fundie/Repug theories. They often propose whackadoodle ideas without any testing at all; the paper is all theory and no substance. I've noticed most of the oddball studies that get posted here on DL by our conspiracy contingent tend to be papers written where data from other studies was used and the authors didn't actually produce any data of their own.

I have a feeling this study is the same way. I'd be interested in reading it if the journal ever bothers to put it online.

[quote]you didn't read the two studies

You didn't either. They're not online. That's why you didn't link to them.

Dark Triad personality theories are not related to evopsych whatsoever. Evopsych is generally considered bs. The Dark Triad scales aren't.

The problem with arguing that the study is inherently biased stems from the assumption that the initial goal was to find something wrong with bisexual females. The study could have just as easily been out to prove that gay men or straight men were found to have more of these traits vs the rest of the population. The findings don't reflect an initial hypothesis. They are just results of a study.

It's fine if you don't want to believe it. It's one study. It's something to think about either way.

Why can I smell antisemitism suddenly?????

Are you all going craycray?

Bisexual women = Jewish men

R50 Finally someone reasonable here.

[quote]Evopsych is generally considered bs. The Dark Triad scales aren't.

Untrue. Anyone who knows how to Google can go see for themselves that the "Dark Triad" folks are all congregating on rightwing websites and places like Reddit. Type in "dark triad" and Google autofills to "dark triad redpill" and "dark triad celebrities." Go out to Google Books and you see books on corporate management styles and how to attract hot chicks.

Actual, peer-reviewed research on the so-called Dark Triad is so new that they are still working out how to even measure it. The concept was only introduced in 2002 and it hasn't really taken off in the field; it's more popular in magazines and on conspiracy websites.

9 out of 10 communists don't believe in dark triad.

R59 The fact is that alt-right, menenists and the deplorables use actual scientific research and alter them to fit their ideas.

We can see that in every scientific domain. But at the same time, it's not because deplorables use them that they're bad per se.

Black Lives Matter demands any and all discussion of dark triad be halted immediately, or they will riot in every major city.

[quote]The problem with arguing that the study is inherently biased stems from the assumption that the initial goal was to find something wrong with bisexual females.

Yes. A study that starts out with the assumption that there is both correlation AND causation between "willingness, attitudes, and desires associated with uncommitted sexual behaviour" and "Dark Triad traits (Machiavellianism, narcissism, and psychopathy)" is inherently biased, based on what I can see in the abstract.

Perhaps when the study is published online I'll discover that these researchers are just really rotten at writing abstracts, and the study itself is actually not biased at all. Based on what I can see, that doesn't look likely.

Dark triad? I call it bonkers!

"I heard about dark triad, but I don't pay it any mind"

How about a dark eye, right on your face?

R65 It's not a proof.

From the same starting point, they could also have found that there's no correlation or have the same correlation than among the other groups. And I agree that correlation is not causation.

If it's the fact that they're actually asking the question that bothers you, there's a problem.

r68 I'm just playing around, posting pics of dark triangle ladies with fake quotes.

[quote]The fact is that alt-right, menenists and the deplorables use actual scientific research and alter them to fit their ideas.

Sure, this abstract you linked to is "actual scientific research." It's just not GOOD scientific research.

A sure sign that you've gotten tangled up in something a little iffy is when the local lunatic redpill asshats glom on to what you've said.

"Trust me, I'm black!"

MAXimum troll post

"The darker the triad, the sweeter the juice."

R71 I'm not the OP, but whatever.

Talking about reaching........JESUS

What a heap of shit.

This is bs. Notice you really can't see who the researchers are, notice no real institutions of higher learning are mentioned. The paper's footnotes reference similar obscure periodicals and unknown works. There's also an ideological bent to the "dark triad" nonsense.

sloppy work, Boris

I have skimmed through this whole thread and still don't understand WTF it is about..

From what I can see on google, there's no reason to vilify the dark triad theory.

I know that at least one of the authors is gay, so I don't buy that this study was motivated by prejudice. Previous research had already shown that bi women had male-like qualities, such as being more promiscuous, taking more risks, prioritizing work over personal life, consuming more pornography etc. Dark Triad traits are more intense among men than among women, and considering that bi women seem to be more male-like than other women, it makes sense that they would score higher in this personality dimension as well. This is by itself an interesting subject, and considering previous findings about bi women, you don't need to be a bigot to come up with the idea of analyzing this question to begin with.

I enjoyed writing the title to this thread, with all its dark sensationalism, but honestly, I don't think these results conclusively show anything bad about bi women. That bi women scored higher, for example, on the psychopathy dimension, does't mean they're all psychopaths - heck, as far as we know, not a single woman in the study, gay straight or bi, scored in the psychopathic range.

And as said before, men as a whole score higher on those traits than women - perhaps higher than bi women as well - and that doesn't mean that men in general are deviants. Personality traits, from shyness to aggressiveness, exist on a continuum; those on the milder side of the continuum are widespread in the general population. And like most other personality traits, aggressive -- psychopathic -- traits can have a positive side when on the mild part of the scale. Aggressive people are more assertive and handle anxiety better than passive people, for example.

So bisexual men are pretty dangerous, too?

[quote] This is bs. Notice you really can't see who the researchers are, notice no real institutions of higher learning are mentioned. The paper's footnotes reference similar obscure periodicals and unknown works. There's also an ideological bent to the "dark triad" nonsense.

Out of all the crap being said about this study, and research in general about Dark Triad traits, this is the dumbest.

The authors' names are right in OP's link: Scott W. Semenyna, Charlene F. Belu, Paul L. Vasey, P. Lynne Honey.

I said before I knew one of the authors is gay, but there's a second one too - Paul Vasey.

Springer is a well known publisher on academic research.

Scott is a cutie.

BPDs are often bisexual which figures because the Borderline I knew didn't seem to know who was was at all and had a chameleon-like ability to adapt the personality of the person he was talking to at the time. One week he would love dogs and hate cats and the next week he would love and hate dogs. It makes sense if he couldn't figure out which sexuality he was either.

r92 *the next week he would love cats and hate dogs

I think that it is more likely that all psychopaths are probably bisexual. The nature of a psychopath is opportunism. They don't identify with any one group sexually or they claim to be straight or gay but if an opportunity comes along that benefits them to be one way or the other they will do what benefits them. I have known three psychopaths that were like that. Two fairly young guys with older gay men and as many women that they could fuck on the side. Both diagnosed as psychopaths. Another psychopath is a woman who is the same way. She will be with who can benefit her whether man or woman.

[quote]I know that at least one of the authors is gay, so I don't buy that this study was motivated by prejudice.

Do you not actually read DL? Gays here are bitching about lesbians, bi men and bi women 24/7.

Just look at any thread, including this one, where bipolar or "sociopaths" are discussed. There are tons of "bisexuals are psychopaths" claims and anecdotes.

You are right. It's all motivated by prejudice. We have infiltrated every study of psychology, sociology, and domestic abuse in order to paint bisexuals negatively. All orchestrated because we are jealous of them.

Datalounge hates women and bisexuals so they are having an orgasm reading this article!

"study" my ass. This kind of study" only help to spread ignorance and biphobia.

At least this threat helps to prove that bisexuals are uselessly agressive, if you know what I mean.

[quote]I think that it is more likely that all psychopaths are probably bisexual.

The problem is that people fail to differentiate between love and, well, lust. There is physical connection and there is emotional connection. It's quite rare that you have a physical and emotional connection with a common trick on Grindr. Does that make all gay men sociopaths for using the opportunity of online hook-up sites to have sex with random people while being single or *gasp* even worse: While being in a relationship? Is this where all this anti bisexual rethoric is headed? Having (lots of) sex makes you a psycho?

Bisexual people usually are pretty open about their sexual identity. If you don't want the drama you believe comes from dating a bisexual person then don't date a bisexual like you wouldn't date a guy who has active profiles on online hook-up sites when you want a monogamous relationship. If you don't want to be tricked into getting yourself into a drama relationship then look for the warning signs and know that you can't always back out.

That you CAN always back out.

Here's one of the authors presenting his study at the IASR2017.

I don't get why OhPee is posting a bunch of pictures of non-bi women.

r102 That wasn't me.

[quote]BPDs are often bisexual which figures because the Borderline I knew didn't seem to know who was was at all and had a chameleon-like ability to adapt the personality of the person he was talking to at the time. One week he would love dogs and hate cats and the next week he would love and hate dogs. It makes sense if he couldn't figure out which sexuality he was either.

I think this is true.

They are crazy, aggressive and have drink/drug addictions.

What's with the links to the Russian site, Boris?

"I think that it is more likely that all psychopaths are probably bisexual. The nature of a psychopath is opportunism. They don't identify with any one group sexually or they claim to be straight or gay but if an opportunity comes along that benefits them to be one way or the other they will do what benefits them."

Yeah, but even opportunists have a fundamental orientation. They might be willing to have sex with the gender they don't prefer if they get something out of it......but that's not the same as being genuinely bisexual.

Since the beginning of time men have sought to keep women from being able to express and enjoy their sexuality whatever form of expression it takes. Look at the repression of female sexuality and sexual expression. Just so happens there's a study that proves bisexual women, women that would find sexual enjoyment not just from men but from other women as well, are some dangerous bitches. The worst you could ever imagine, like in your whole life, total nightmare, almost justifies all the subjugation, oppression, brutality, domination aimed at them throughout history. No?

Get the fuck otta here. Maybe just maybe if male power structure and the women who help support it, get up off the neck of females all over the fucking planet, we might see what women who feel free act like. I guarantee it will be different than anything we've ever seen from women before in the history of civilization.

r106 It's SciHub, retard. They're the reason you don't need to pay 30 dollars for 3 pages of research anymore.

r108 =

Edler Black here r109.

I've seen a lot of negativity aimed at my community in my life and what I was trying to get across is that those that have the platforms to paint the pictures they want for the public are going to use them to keep those they want to stay marginalized down. They will paint the pictures, they will put the words out there to cast doubt and destroy legitimacy. And these tactics have a strong effect on the groups they are aimed at. What happens when all that stops?