Why didn't the Grenfel tower collapse into dust like the twin towers in 911?

The heat of the fire caused by the jet fuel

Because Muslim terrorists didn't crash a Boeing 767 into the building.

All trains travelling near the site have been cancelled.I just tried to get on one.

The guard at the station said all workers have been evacuated as well.

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because they didnt use explosives maybe?

[quote]Or was 911 something 'special'?

You mean beyond having two jets slam into them, spilling several tons of highly combustible jet fuel (each jet burns about 5-10 tons of fuel per hour and was carrying sufficient fuel for cross country flights), and having that fuel ignite into an inferno?

Probably not.

Because British secret services are not as good as CIA/Mossad at pulling off controlled demolitions.

Do people still believe in the fuel story?

[quote]Do people still believe in the fuel story?

Do people still believe in science?

No, Trump's victory demonstrates that.

let's NOT make this about Trump.

Just for once.

From your lips to God's ears R10. I'm afraid I'll run out of "Block" functions

[quote]let's NOT make this about Trump.

Unfortunately, the very topic and the notion implicit in the question will ultimately lead to conspiracy theory and the very core beliefs of that constituency.

[quote]I'm afraid I'll run out of "Block" functions

Fuck off, you idiot!

The WTC had a steel frame. Grenfell Towers were primarily cast concrete construction.

The explosions when the planes hit the twin towers would certainly have damaged the integrity of any fire insulation around the steel - and the great heat then from the fire combined with the ductility if the steel meant it began to buckle - and got worse - until the structures failed.

Completely different set of circumstances with the Grenfell building.

You have to remember if the jet crashed into the Empire State Building, it probably wouldn't have toppled it.

Not only was it the jet fuel but it was the design of the building. It was build so the exterior supported the interior, among a host of others things. In the end the building was not designed to withstand the crash of a jet.

If some of the top floors collapsed in Grenfel tower the building might fall. The fire in the Grenfel tower didn't burn as hot as the world trade centers burned either

God is just not as angry as at England. You'd think he would be but he's not.

These CIA stooge responses are from the same school as their HIV/AID$ lessons!

[quote] Do people still believe in the fuel story?

As someone who was actually there, yes I do believe "the fuel story."

To idiots like you, it is a fun conspiracy theory to play with alongside other idiots on the web.

To those of us who were there, who saw the fires smouldering for weeks and smelled the jet fuel, it was all too real. Or do you think the FDNY set those fires themselves and sprayed a chemical that smelled like jet fuel into the air to fool people?

I drove on the flyover past the building this afternoon.

Very strange to see. Very eerie. This vast black edifice against the bright summer afternoon sky. Totally silent. No life. It's much bigger than I had realised. There have been so many images of it that already it was like seeing a famous building or landmark in real life for the first time.

R19 this thread is infested with trolls

What R7 said.

Most of the jet fuel exploded outward on impact - you act like the jetfuel survived a 400mph impact and stayed inside and kept burning. It did not.

And the Twin Towers were designed to withstand an impact from a 707, biggest plane at the time. So, yes OP - it's different but it still raises questions about 9/11. Particularly when the core of the building collapsed as well - not just the outsides.

WRONG R15. It was designed to withstand multiple hits of jet liners. See interviews with the designers of the building.

"was 911 something 'special'? "

It was to me and my offshore bank accounts.

the towers didnt collapse because the country didnt need to create an image worthy of going to war for

and to those shooting down those who might question the official story as "conspiracy trolls" do yr homework and look at the 100's of scientist and pilots and firemen who say they heard explosions before the towers fell and that there were chemicals NOT FOUND IN JET FUEL that were found in the wreckage containing MILITARY GRADE demolition components..

[quote] It was designed to withstand multiple hits of jet liners. See interviews with the designers of the building.

That's just ridiculous. The people who designed it can say any damned thing they want. There isn't any building in the world that can withstand multiple hits of jet liners

Why did the third WTC tower collapse to dust? It wasn't hit by anything.

It was hit by debris from the other two towers, r29

I think two things cause the towers to collapse: First the heat from the jet fuel. And please remember those planes had just taken off and those fuel tanks were full. Second the impact of the planes had an effect on the structural soundness of the buildings.

The other thing to know is that the London fire moved fast because the materials that burned were highly flammable and the whole damned building was a firetrap.

I actually do believe that 7 WTC was a controlled demolition. They had to take the building down for safety reasons. The twin towers came down exactly as we were told they did, though.

FDNY abandoned WTC 7. They'd lost over 200 men and they weren't about to lose any more. The building was empty of people. So they let it burn. I heard this on the news about 2 pm. They said the building was damaged and firefighters were pulled back as they believed the building may collapse.

About two weeks later I awoke to a big plume of smoke across the East River. A furniture factory was on fire. FDNY took one look at it and said, "Fuggedabowit. There's wood and pitch in there. We're not fighting it." They let it burn to the ground (though they stayed near the site to prevent the fire from spreading to other buildings). Once again, they had decided they didn't want any more funerals. There weren't any people inside the factory. It just wasn't worth it to them, and when you're fire department says "no way," there's no one else who is going fight the fire.

People who believe 9-11 happened according to the tripe we were fed by the MSM & the govt, are also likely to believe that Oswald acted completely alone in JFKs assassination.

The temperature needed to melt steel.

Hayden: Yeah. There was enough there and we were marking off. There were a lot of damaged apparatus there that were covered. We tried to get searches in those areas. By now, this is going on into the afternoon, and we were concerned about additional collapse, not only of the Marriott, because there was a good portion of the Marriott still standing, but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.

Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away?

Hayden: No, not right away, and that’s probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn’t make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.

Firehouse: Chief Nigro said they made a collapse zone and wanted everybody away from number 7— did you have to get all of those people out?

Hayden: Yeah, we had to pull everybody back. It was very difficult. We had to be very forceful in getting the guys out. They didn’t want to come out. There were guys going into areas that I wasn’t even really comfortable with, because of the possibility of secondary collapses. We didn’t know how stable any of this area was. We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon. We said, this building is going to come down, get back. It came down about 5 o’clock or so, but we had everybody backed away by then. At that point in time, it seemed like a somewhat smaller event, but under any normal circumstances, that’s a major event, a 47-story building collapsing. It seemed like a firecracker after the other ones came down, but I mean that’s a big building, and when it came down, it was quite an event. But having gone through the other two, it didn’t seem so bad. But that’s what we were concerned about. We had said to the guys, we lost as many as 300 guys. We didn’t want to lose any more people that day. And when those numbers start to set in among everybody… My feeling early on was we weren’t going to find any survivors. You either made it out or you didn’t make it out. It was a cataclysmic event. The idea of somebody living in that thing to me would have been only short of a miracle. This thing became geographically sectored because of the collapse. I was at West and Liberty. I couldn’t go further north on West Street. And I couldn’t go further east on Liberty because of the collapse of the south tower, so physically we were boxed in.

------ I went to Beekman Downtown hospital on the order of NYC Command Center (first at NYUMC, later at Bellevue). There were very few civilian casualties at the hospital when I got there because people either got out right away or they didn't get out. The only patients later in the day were firefighters getting their eyes washed and then going back out there. The overriding mission was to save people if you could, then save yourself. No one was in any mood or had the time to take part in a conspiracy. The biggest "conspiracy" was the media playing down Giuliani's having located OEM in WTC and awarding a no bid contact to Motorola for shitty radios that killed firefighters. That was the biggest cover up of 9/11. But by all means, believe Internet "experts" (who weren't fucking there) if it makes you feel important.

We are amazed that our little thread proved to be so popular!

911 was probably the biggest insurance fraud in history.

R35, a useless factoid, since you don't need to melt the steel in a building's structure to make it collapse. In fact, it's pretty fucking obvious from the debris that the steel didn't "melt."

the only 'debris' from two massive skyscrapers was...... dust!

r39, assuming that's true, why did all 3 buildings fall perfectly in their footprints? Steel that is molten and not fully melted is not going to fall that quickly and that much in a straight line.

They did not fall perfectly in their footprints. They caused massive damage to all buildings in their perimeter.

r42, I should have said nearly in their footprints. There. Now you happy.

What's wrong with you people?

The people who describe 9/11 according to the "official" story ARE the conspiracy theorists.

A cabal of evil billionaires blew-up the two biggest buildings in NYC with high-powered explosives in broad daylight, yet many still believe they fell down because two planes poked holes in them.

You're insane, r45. So this evil cabal had the WTCs wired for explosion, and then there just happened to be two planes that flew into them and they thought "cool! Let's go ahead and explode them now!"

Really, get help for your mental illness.

You had two giant planes slamming into two buildings and destroying a large upper, center portion of the supportive structural parts in each one. The effects were the same as what happens in the Jenga game.

There was another structure between Building 7 and the towers; it was not felled by debris. And the fire was not major. There was no reason for that building to collapse straight down. But it wasn't included in the investigation so I guess we'll never know.

The only 'proof' we have that two planes crashed into the buildings is what we are told by media/government - both proven liars over many decades!

[quote]both proven liars over many decades

Exactly like Erna!

"911 - the Jenga Theory" - lmao

Grenfel tower was a concrete structure, WTC was all steel

Beyond that there were additional things happening during 9/11. The whole way building 7 collapsed makes no sense whatsoever.

Perhaps because Grendel tower was not a military Intel operatia like 911!