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Blind Item - Not Gay, But It Fascinates Me, So Please Help Me Solve It

(Sorry it's long, and I know it's from the unreliable CDAN, but this one is too specific to be made up.)

Starlight Lovers

At one point in time, the subject of this blind was A list. In some circles, she still is, and I think that in her niche, she probably still deserves that designation. Anyway, let’s just call her a former A list entertainer from back in the day, who if you’re a certain age, you’d be familiar with. I’ll call her Ms. C. During the height of her fame, Ms. C was not only very, very famous but also got a lot of attention just because of her unusual role as an entertainer and also because of her attitude. She had lots of attitude that was appealing in a bad-girl sort of way.

Ms. C’s trajectory to fame was not an easy one though. Her family background was very unstable and included abuse. Not a very happy situation to grow up in at all. As a result of all that, Ms. C was an awkward misfit who had a lot of problems as a kid. Music and acting provided healthy escapes for her, and in particular she was very classically talented in music at a young age. No one would have ever guessed she’d end up as famous as she was, especially in her particular genre, but she did. Many of her talents were self taught and were distinctive and unique.

Ms. C’s rise to fame was actually the result of a bunch of lucky breaks and connections for her. She was in the right places at the right times and made connections with like-minded people who understood her quirks and saw her potential. Once she’d made those connections, the fame for her and the others in her circle happened fairly quickly. Probably too quickly. This was one of those moments in time that special and talented people are often able to step into. Once she was on board the fame train, it took off- way, way too fast.

The problem with Ms. C is that she was fundamentally uncomfortable being a public figure. She hated being interviewed, hating doing promotional work, hated all of the schmoozing that often is required when you become a famous person. To cope with these situations, as is the case a lot, she began using drugs and alcohol to calm her anxiety. Her fellow entertainers were very tolerant about this, since they understood her true nature and they put up with Ms. C’s using because they understood it helped her deal with the demands that were being placed on her. They probably did that for longer than they should have though, but they were all pretty young at the time too and were all trying to cope with the crazy stuff that comes with being famous themselves. During this time period, Ms. C also became close to another famous person who was in her sphere. They discovered that they had similar backgrounds and struggled with some of the same social anxieties. I wouldn’t call this a romantic relationship, but they were very, very close. I’ll call him Mr. B. – he and Ms. C. spent a lot of time writing letters to one another (this was before the Internet). They were able to connect since both were basically introverts who had become famous and were uneasy being in the public eye. They would try to meet whenever they were in the same city and shared a passion for stargazing and also poetry and art.

As time went on, Ms. C’s substance abuse problems became worse and she was also physically run down from too much work. Stress, substances and overwork had taken a toll. Her fame had also started to wane and it became necessary for her to quit her career for a while because her health was totally breaking down. Mr. B was instrumental in encouraging her to do this, since he was also struggling with some of the same issues himself.

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by Anonymousreply 149March 2, 2018 2:11 AM

When Ms. C left the entertainment business, the break was meant to be temporary, but it pretty much became permanent. She became a recluse with no desire to return to the spotlight. She had also developed some more serious health problems as a result of overwork, and it took a long time to recover from those things. And there was also the ongoing struggle to get off drugs and alcohol. Ms. C was eventually able to get a lot of her health back, but struggled with the addiction issues on and off for years before finally getting sober. Meanwhile, Ms. C and Mr. B had drifted apart and only kept in contact sporadically. She considered him a part of her old life, and because of how ill-suited she was to being famous, she had distanced herself from a lot of her old friends who were still in the public eye. Mr. B had also struggled with sobriety and other issues as well, while his fame continued to grow.

Fast forward to a couple of years ago. Ms. C and Mr. B crossed paths at an industry event. Ms. C had only agreed to attend the event because she was invited by old friends and also because her children urged her to go. She still struggled with anxiety, so she was hesitant to attend and only decided to go at the last minute. Ms. C had also recently been receiving therapy for trauma related to a sexual assault by someone in the business in the early part of her career. She had been repressing the memory for years and finally was able to confront it as a trigger for the substance abuse. She was nervous she might see the abuser at this event, so because of that, it was pretty brave for her to decide to go at all. Her old friends were really happy to see her there. Mr. B was also at this event, and Ms. C was able to re-connect with him there. The connection was immediate and it was as if no time had passed at all, even though it had been many years since they’d been pen pals and confidantes. Ms. C and Mr B. stayed in close contact after this event. Since they were both older and wiser now, their friendship deepened and began to turn into something romantic, which was a surprise for both of them. The biggest problem though, was that Mr. B was still struggling with sobriety issues himself- and Ms. C was very serious about her own sobriety. She did not ever want to return to the days of using again. She now had kids to think of and also had built a life away from the business that was happy. Mr. B came to see Ms. C in her city and they had a long talk about their relationship.

Although she genuinely loved Mr. B, she had to make it clear that the dealbreaker for her was that he must be sober if they were to have any future together. They made a pact that he would do what was necessary to get his life in order and successfully get clean. Things were looking really good for both of them when something happened that made any future for them as a couple no longer possible. Because of this, Ms. C. is terrified she will be thrust back into the spotlight and will be forced to discuss her relationship with Mr. B. She is very worried that the sexual assault she experienced many years ago could also be exposed as a result.

by Anonymousreply 1June 16, 2017 9:28 AM

When Ms. C left the entertainment business, the break was meant to be temporary, but it pretty much became permanent. She became a recluse with no desire to return to the spotlight. She had also developed some more serious health problems as a result of overwork, and it took a long time to recover from those things. And there was also the ongoing struggle to get off drugs and alcohol. Ms. C was eventually able to get a lot of her health back, but struggled with the addiction issues on and off for years before finally getting sober. Meanwhile, Ms. C and Mr. B had drifted apart and only kept in contact sporadically. She considered him a part of her old life, and because of how ill-suited she was to being famous, she had distanced herself from a lot of her old friends who were still in the public eye. Mr. B had also struggled with sobriety and other issues as well, while his fame continued to grow. Fast forward to a couple of years ago. Ms. C and Mr. B crossed paths at an industry event. Ms. C had only agreed to attend the event because she was invited by old friends and also because her children urged her to go. She still struggled with anxiety, so she was hesitant to attend and only decided to go at the last minute. Ms. C had also recently been receiving therapy for trauma related to a sexual assault by someone in the business in the early part of her career. She had been repressing the memory for years and finally was able to confront it as a trigger for the substance abuse. She was nervous she might see the abuser at this event, so because of that, it was pretty brave for her to decide to go at all. Her old friends were really happy to see her there. Mr. B was also at this event, and Ms. C was able to re-connect with him there. The connection was immediate and it was as if no time had passed at all, even though it had been many years since they’d been pen pals and confidantes. Ms. C and Mr B. stayed in close contact after this event. Since they were both older and wiser now, their friendship deepened and began to turn into something romantic, which was a surprise for both of them. The biggest problem though, was that Mr. B was still struggling with sobriety issues himself- and Ms. C was very serious about her own sobriety. She did not ever want to return to the days of using again. She now had kids to think of and also had built a life away from the business that was happy. Mr. B came to see Ms. C in her city and they had a long talk about their relationship.

Although she genuinely loved Mr. B, she had to make it clear that the dealbreaker for her was that he must be sober if they were to have any future together. They made a pact that he would do what was necessary to get his life in order and successfully get clean. Things were looking really good for both of them when something happened that made any future for them as a couple no longer possible. Because of this, Ms. C. is terrified she will be thrust back into the spotlight and will be forced to discuss her relationship with Mr. B. She is very worried that the sexual assault she experienced many years ago could also be exposed as a result.

by Anonymousreply 2June 16, 2017 9:29 AM

OP here -- sorry the rest of the text didn't post in r1, so I had to add a second posting.

Anyway, my first thought for Ms. C. was Annie Lenox, but she never acted, and besides, I get the impression this is about someone older, maybe from the 60s/ early 70s (?)

by Anonymousreply 3June 16, 2017 9:31 AM

Liza

by Anonymousreply 4June 16, 2017 9:51 AM

It says Ms. C has children so it can't be Liza.

by Anonymousreply 5June 16, 2017 9:54 AM

Yes, Ms. C. has children (plural) and it sounds like she's a bit of a recluse these days. Plus it also says she's serious about sobriety.

So definitely not Liza.

What do you think "something happened that made any future for them as a couple no longer possible" means? Did Mr. B. die in salacious circumstances?

by Anonymousreply 6June 16, 2017 10:00 AM

Bad blind-- where did those kids come from?

Was/Is Ms. C married? When? Who was the father? Did she adopt the kids?

by Anonymousreply 7June 16, 2017 10:05 AM

I'll guess Prince for Mr. B.

by Anonymousreply 8June 16, 2017 10:06 AM

I think "Mr. B" is an important clue. It's obviously Shirley Booth and Don DeFore.

by Anonymousreply 9June 16, 2017 10:09 AM

You're on a good track R8...I was thinking Chris Cornell for Mr. B and maybe C. Love for Ms. C, but she only has one kid, right?

I think Mr. B is deceased due to substance abuse. Ugh, sad.

by Anonymousreply 10June 16, 2017 10:09 AM

[quote]Ms. C. is terrified she will be thrust back into the spotlight

There is NO WAY that describes Courtney Love. Mr. B may very well be Cornell or Prince (or another celeb who semi-recently died) but Ms. C is not Courtney.

I kept trying to make a "Missy" ("Miz C") in the entertainment biz work for this blind but it just wasn't happening.

by Anonymousreply 11June 16, 2017 10:37 AM

CDAN has a habit of fugding kid/kids so blinds aren't so obvious. Knowing this means Ms. C could have only one child.

[quote]Ms. C had only agreed to attend the event because she was invited by old friends and also because her children urged her to go. ........ Ms. C had also recently been receiving therapy for trauma related to a sexual assault by someone in the business in the early part of her career. ...... She was nervous she might see the abuser at this event

What music events have been in the news lately?

[quote]She did not ever want to return to the days of using again. She now had kids to think of and also had built a life away from the business that was happy.

I'm trying to think of a "where are they now" type person.

by Anonymousreply 12June 16, 2017 10:46 AM

Billboard awards Cher, Greg all man?

by Anonymousreply 13June 16, 2017 10:52 AM

Ms. C sounds like Charo to me. Seriously.

by Anonymousreply 14June 16, 2017 10:53 AM

My Cher guess is wrong, I realized after I posted it. Carry on....

by Anonymousreply 15June 16, 2017 10:55 AM

Just noticed my error, R12 should be "fudging"

by Anonymousreply 16June 16, 2017 10:56 AM

[quote]Fast forward to a couple of years ago. Ms. C and Mr. B crossed paths at an industry event.

This is making me think it can't be Prince. He usually didn't attend industry events.

The only thing that would make a relationship impossible would be death so Mr. B has to be someone who recently died. Also someone whose fame "back in the day" kept rising, where back in the day meant pre-internet, so 1980s or earlier, and who enjoyed stargazing (a hint?) and letter writing.

Leonard Cohen?

by Anonymousreply 17June 16, 2017 10:58 AM

I also thought it was Charo, but Wikipedia says she's been married since 1978 and still performs occasionally.

by Anonymousreply 18June 16, 2017 11:10 AM

Unusual, self-taught, distinctive, unique, bad-girl attitude---what female performer fits these, as well as making a life away from the business for a significant time, having children, "A" list within a niche (Oldies?), etc.?

No idea. Maybe a comedienne? Certainly it is not unusual to be a singer, unless it's Yma Sumac, haha!

by Anonymousreply 19June 16, 2017 11:16 AM

Some of it made me think of Carole King and Brian Wilson, but not all elements fit.

by Anonymousreply 20June 16, 2017 11:21 AM

Popular guesses from the OP:

[quote]Ms. C is Sinead O’Connor Mr. B is Chris Cornell Puts his cover of Nothing Compares 2 U in a different light, and his comments on the song Josephine.

[quote]Ms.C: Sarah McLaughlin ?
Mr.B: Chris Cornell ?

[quote]Yes, Mr B is Chris Cornell; His real name was Christopher John Boyle.

[quote]Mr B: ??? Ms C: Lisa Bonet Sexual Predator: Bill Cosby

[quote]Fiona Apple just came into my mind for some reason. Is she a recluse? I thought she was still performing

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by Anonymousreply 21June 16, 2017 11:23 AM

She's a musician and actor per the blind:

[quote]Music and acting provided healthy escapes for her, and in particular she was very classically talented in music at a young age. No one would have ever guessed she’d end up as famous as she was, especially in her particular genre, but she did. Many of her talents were self taught and were distinctive and unique.

I admit I was thinking Cosby as the predator too because that would make sense wrt someone not wanting their abuse to come out right now. But was Lisa Bonet ever involved in music to the point of being "classically talented"?

Could be Chris Cornell and someone else abused by Cosby. Lord knows he abused plenty of women.

by Anonymousreply 22June 16, 2017 11:26 AM

You're wasting your time. Most blind items are fiction, especially from this guy. You might as well try to guess the true identity of the Easter Bunny.

by Anonymousreply 23June 16, 2017 11:32 AM

It seems like There would've been internet access during most of Chris Cornell career?

by Anonymousreply 24June 16, 2017 11:34 AM

Kate Bush. Definitely fits all the clues.

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by Anonymousreply 25June 16, 2017 11:37 AM

Michelle Phillips maybe?

by Anonymousreply 26June 16, 2017 11:39 AM

Just saw the Kate Bush post, that makes more sense.

by Anonymousreply 27June 16, 2017 11:40 AM

Clearly it's Helen Lawson.

by Anonymousreply 28June 16, 2017 11:40 AM

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

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by Anonymousreply 29June 16, 2017 11:43 AM

r28 = Helen Lawson, looking for free publicity

by Anonymousreply 30June 16, 2017 11:43 AM

It doesn't fit for Kate Bush. Her family life wasn't disruptive and she's hardly an actress. Besides her singing, at her peak she'd probably consider herself a dancer. But who would Mr B be? David Gilmour?

by Anonymousreply 31June 16, 2017 11:49 AM

R31, Name another quirky "wild child" (Marie Claire quote) female performer who became an overnight sensation and then a recluse, besides KB.

You might not know everything about her family history.

Could be Gilmour or Prince.

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by Anonymousreply 32June 16, 2017 11:57 AM

...or Peter Gabriel

by Anonymousreply 33June 16, 2017 12:01 PM

Kate Bush has done a little acting, but that's about where the comparison to Ms. C ends. She's talked about the abuse in her childhood -- I found several articles from 2012, 2014 and 2016 talking about it, so she wouldn't be afraid of it coming out now. It's already out. Also, she's been making appearances off and on for years, so she wasn't a recluse until the industry show two years ago, either.

It's close but it's not close enough.

by Anonymousreply 34June 16, 2017 12:11 PM

OP here - I agree that Kate Bush fits most of the clues for Ms. C., so let's go with her for that.

But who would Mr. B be? I don't think she was in contact with Prince prior to his death...

by Anonymousreply 35June 16, 2017 12:14 PM

Mrs. C will ALWAYS be Marion Ross!

by Anonymousreply 36June 16, 2017 1:47 PM

It is really weird or just funny that the first people I thought about reading this were... Bette Midler and Barry Manilow?

by Anonymousreply 37June 16, 2017 2:02 PM

[quote]Mrs. C will ALWAYS be Marion Ross!

I BEG YOUR PARDON!

by Anonymousreply 38June 16, 2017 2:09 PM

[quote]she was fundamentally uncomfortable being a public figure.

[quote]it became necessary for her to quit her career for a while because her health was totally breaking down.

[quote]When Ms. C left the entertainment business, the break was meant to be temporary, but it pretty much became permanent. [bold]She became a recluse with no desire to return to the spotlight.[/bold]

[quote]Fast forward to a couple of years ago. Ms. C and Mr. B crossed paths at an industry event.

[quote]She still struggled with anxiety, so she was hesitant to attend and only decided to go at the last minute.

[quote]Ms. C had also recently been receiving therapy for trauma related to a sexual assault by someone in the business in the early part of her career

[quote]She was nervous she might see the abuser at this event, so because of that, it was pretty brave for her to decide to go at all.

by Anonymousreply 39June 16, 2017 2:13 PM

Jenna Jameson and Charlie Sheen

by Anonymousreply 40June 16, 2017 2:26 PM

Kristy McNichol and Leif Garrett, before she came out!

by Anonymousreply 41June 16, 2017 2:31 PM

tl;dr

by Anonymousreply 42June 16, 2017 2:35 PM

R38 You were Mrs. B, bitch!

by Anonymousreply 43June 16, 2017 3:46 PM

[quote]But was Lisa Bonet ever involved in music to the point of being "classically talented"?

Someone in the comment section at OP's link said her father was an opera singer so who knows.

by Anonymousreply 44June 16, 2017 4:34 PM

[quote]it became necessary for her to quit her career for a while because her health was totally breaking down.

Kate Bush never quit her career. She carried on with it in ways people didn't expect--studio albums with little if any public appearances--but it's not as if she wasn't working. And why would her health be breaking down? She did one tour. ONE.

by Anonymousreply 45June 16, 2017 7:40 PM

Marianne Faithfull ?

Joni Mitchell ?

by Anonymousreply 46June 16, 2017 8:16 PM

Juliette Lewis might fit, too--troubled youth, drug and alcohol addiction, anxiety issues, post-acting music career.

A few years ago, she was seen out and about with Brad Wilk, Chris Cornell's former bandmate.

It's a long shot, but this BI has been driving me crazy all day.

by Anonymousreply 47June 17, 2017 1:26 AM

Hmm, maybe not such a long shot R47 -- I found a site reviewing a concert from 2007 where Juliette's band played with Chris Cornell.

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by Anonymousreply 48June 17, 2017 1:30 AM

Should have looked harder: apparently Juliette and the Licks opening for Cornell back in 2007 was big news at the time.

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by Anonymousreply 49June 17, 2017 1:31 AM

Juliette Lewis doesn't have any kids.

by Anonymousreply 50June 17, 2017 1:34 AM

[quote]Anyway, my first thought for Ms. C. was Annie Lenox, but she never acted,

She acted in a couple of films that I know of.

by Anonymousreply 51June 17, 2017 1:36 AM

R50, yeah that part doesn't fit. But she was in the "Jem and the Holograms" movie playing Erica Raymond of Starlight Productions.

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by Anonymousreply 52June 17, 2017 1:41 AM

Julianne Moore, seriously.

by Anonymousreply 53June 17, 2017 1:41 AM

Minnie Pearl and Junior Samples

by Anonymousreply 54June 17, 2017 1:42 AM

[quote]Juliette Lewis doesn't have any kids.

Yeah, and not a recluse either as I realized later.

Is this one of those CDAN will eventually reveal?

by Anonymousreply 55June 17, 2017 1:51 AM

Juliette Lewis--at least as an actress--did fall off the radar screen after a few years of being the rebellious "it" girl of Hollywood. And while she has no kids, the blind says "she now had kids to think of"--the Jem movie is a teen movie, so maybe young fans (or the young actors/actresses she starred with) are "the kids."

Again, a long shot, but an interesting one.

by Anonymousreply 56June 17, 2017 2:01 AM

R45, Did you read the article at r25? "Marie Claire" even uses the word "reclusiveness."

Plus, I thought most BIs were written with a couple fudged points to stave off the lawyers.

by Anonymousreply 57June 17, 2017 10:20 AM

Joni Mitchell sounds right. Maybe the event making a relationship impossible is her stroke a couple of years ago. For the man it could be Graham Nash or David Cosby or maybe even James Taylor?

by Anonymousreply 58June 17, 2017 11:23 AM

Roseanne Barr?

by Anonymousreply 59June 17, 2017 12:03 PM

R37, I think you're right! A LOT of the clues fit--Bette and Barry were estranged for a long time--WHY??? As for why they can't be together--because he "came out" and therefore, it's no longer an option for them!

by Anonymousreply 60June 17, 2017 12:54 PM

My immediate thought was Grace Jones.

For Mr. B, I was thinking of Bowie.

by Anonymousreply 61June 17, 2017 12:59 PM

I'm sorry but Grace Jones was hardly a musical prodigy.

by Anonymousreply 62June 17, 2017 1:28 PM

What about Bjork? She acted in that Lars von Trier movie Dancer in the Dark and got great reviews.

by Anonymousreply 63June 17, 2017 2:02 PM

Wow, we now have Chris Cornell loons. Who would have thought?!

by Anonymousreply 64June 17, 2017 2:19 PM

R64, they're the new Snapewives. It's fucked up.

by Anonymousreply 65June 17, 2017 2:28 PM

Grace Slick

Linda Ronstadt

by Anonymousreply 66June 17, 2017 2:44 PM

I like your guess R63 - Bjork seems to really fit - and would von Trier be the abuser who caused her to leave the business?: "She was nervous she might see the abuser at this event"

by Anonymousreply 67June 17, 2017 2:55 PM

Jane Austen and the Prince of Wales.

by Anonymousreply 68June 17, 2017 3:00 PM

About the only thing Kate Bush fits is the reclusiveness then her appearance at an industry event. She was not an actress, unless you consider her videos as acting. She's said in interviews she never did hard drugs, just weed. She's happily married with one son. Her childhood has been described as idyllic and she's very close to her family, some of whom have taken part in her studio albums. I don't see the blind as a match for Kate.

by Anonymousreply 69June 17, 2017 3:33 PM

How about Lauren Hill?

She's definitely a reclusive musician/actor and mother of 6.

by Anonymousreply 70June 17, 2017 3:52 PM

Lauryn Hill might fit. She acted on "As the World Turns," and definitely went off the radar after her big hit album.

I'm just trying to figure out what the "starlight" clue in the title might mean (which is again why I think it may be Juliette Lewis with some fudged details).

by Anonymousreply 71June 17, 2017 4:24 PM

Juliette Lewis wasn't really A list or "very, very famous" though. Sorry, she might have been a 'name' but I wouldn't consider her very famous.

Lauryn Hill though, yes that could be it.

by Anonymousreply 72June 17, 2017 4:53 PM

Neo-soul/R&B star Carmen Rodgers has a song called "Stargazing" and has covered a Lauryn Hill song.

by Anonymousreply 73June 17, 2017 5:08 PM

My first thought was Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford

by Anonymousreply 74June 17, 2017 5:23 PM

Ms C - Mariah Carey?

by Anonymousreply 75June 17, 2017 5:32 PM

[quote]a former A list entertainer from back in the day, who if you’re a certain age, you’d be familiar with.

It's obvious that you all are much too young to figure this one out. Ms. C's heyday was probably in the 1950s or 60s.

by Anonymousreply 76June 17, 2017 6:03 PM

I love R53. Julianne Moore, seriously is one of my favorite DLisms.

by Anonymousreply 77June 17, 2017 6:11 PM

R76 I see your point, but if the expression "of a certain age" means being middle aged, then stars of the 70s are surely a possibility for someone currently middle aged.

by Anonymousreply 78June 17, 2017 6:12 PM

Stressed was this person's "uniqueness": her "unusual role as an entertainer"; with "attitude, lots of attitude, bad-girl"; unexpectedly famous "in her particular genre"; having "distinctive and unique" talents.

Karen Carpenter was a drummer, which is unusual in Rock. Not suggesting her; just trying to figure out the above.

by Anonymousreply 79June 17, 2017 6:49 PM

Cyndi Lauper?

by Anonymousreply 80June 17, 2017 6:54 PM

It's Kate Bush and David Gilmour. Starlight productions was used by Pink Floyd in the film The Wall.

by Anonymousreply 81June 17, 2017 7:09 PM

Is it perhaps more along the lines of a Linda Lovelace? Mr. B.'s being John Holmes, who died of AIDS, which would make LL "terrified" that she might have had to "discuss her relationship with Mr. B." (She was in one movie with him.)

At no point does the BI say this woman became a singer. It's always just "entertainer." "Music and acting" were "escapes," neither being necessarily her career.

LL became disenchanted, left the biz, and wrote a book claiming sexual and other abuse.

by Anonymousreply 82June 17, 2017 7:14 PM

Linda Lovelace is dead.

by Anonymousreply 83June 17, 2017 7:17 PM

Another possibility: Nichelle Nichols of Star Trek. That role was certainly a "unique" role in entertainment. She sang with Duke Ellington before hitting it big on TV.

by Anonymousreply 84June 17, 2017 7:17 PM

Lauryn Hill comes from a very creative, artsy middle class background. She did very well in school and spent a couple of years at Columbia U when her career was taking off. I've never got the impression that she came from a troubled background.

by Anonymousreply 85June 17, 2017 7:18 PM

R81, that's a good guess, but...what would make their relationship "impossible" at this point?

by Anonymousreply 86June 17, 2017 7:21 PM

Carly Simon for the win.

by Anonymousreply 87June 17, 2017 7:27 PM

Yes, it is Carly (Mrs. C) and James Taylor.

by Anonymousreply 88June 17, 2017 7:29 PM

I know, r83, but the "unusual, unique" etc. descriptors simply don't point to a normal female career such as Pop singer.

by Anonymousreply 89June 17, 2017 7:32 PM

I thought Amy Lee of Evanescence but she's not really old enough.

by Anonymousreply 90June 17, 2017 7:36 PM

Kate Smith

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by Anonymousreply 91June 17, 2017 7:47 PM

Kate Smith

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by Anonymousreply 92June 17, 2017 7:49 PM

It's obviously Agnetha of ABBA.

by Anonymousreply 93June 17, 2017 7:58 PM

The girl from Ace of Base. She's a famous recluse.

by Anonymousreply 94June 17, 2017 8:22 PM

R94, A-list? Yeah, no.

by Anonymousreply 95June 17, 2017 8:28 PM

Well, maybe A list in Europe. But I'll say the same thing to whichever fool guessed 'Amy Lee' as Ms C. Yeah no. The BI clearly says she wrote letters because it was before email. Amy Lee is a Millennial.

by Anonymousreply 96June 17, 2017 8:39 PM

Jewel? She was in a relationship with Sean Penn when she was very young (in the mid-90s). He could be the abuser. She did know Chris Cornell, apparently.

by Anonymousreply 97June 17, 2017 8:50 PM

I think this is CDAN fan fiction inspired by the unlikely 90s friendship of Fiona Apple (Ms. C = "Criminal") and Marilyn Manson (Mr B = "Beautiful People"), which Manson wrote about in his autobiography. Enty took a grain of truth and ESTed.

by Anonymousreply 98June 18, 2017 12:21 AM

The clues have Grace Slick written all over them ("starlight", "circle", "nature"), but I have no idea who the guy is. Can't be Kantner, because they were certainly romantic the first time around, producing a child together.

by Anonymousreply 99June 18, 2017 12:46 AM

You suck at reading, r96. The poster who guessed Amy Lee even said she wasn't old enough.

by Anonymousreply 100June 18, 2017 12:56 AM

Courtney Love? Although I don't know about obvious musical talent at a young age, many of the other clues fit. She was socially awkward in school and was even thought possibly autistic. And even though she didn't come across as anxious to me in interviews, you never know, maybe she was nervous. "Awkward misfit", "bad-girl attitude" "unstable family" certainly describe her. Actress and musician.

by Anonymousreply 101June 18, 2017 1:41 AM

Lauryn Hill and Prince? Were they ever a thing?

by Anonymousreply 102June 18, 2017 2:01 AM

This is not Courtney Love. She was not classically trained as a musician and she has no problem with being famous. Plus Enty thinks she killed Kurt Cobain and would never describe her in a complimentary way.

Sinead O'Connor is probably the best fit. Early on she had connections to U2 and some industry bigwigs in Ireland. Fiona Apple and Lauryn Hill don't come from troubled/abusive families. Apple was raped at a young age but it was by a stranger. Bjork has never been a recluse, she's still recording and releasing albums and touring.

by Anonymousreply 103June 18, 2017 2:24 AM

I notice the blind says "classically talented," not classically trained. As that can be open to wider interpretation, it could possibly be Courtney Love.

by Anonymousreply 104June 18, 2017 12:20 PM

[quote]it could possibly be Courtney Love.

Are you sure about that, R104?

[quote]she was fundamentally uncomfortable being a public figure

[quote]She became a recluse with no desire to return to the spotlight.

by Anonymousreply 105June 18, 2017 12:49 PM

I said Charo earlier in the thread and I stand by that guess.

by Anonymousreply 106June 18, 2017 12:49 PM

I keep trying to make Barbra Streisand fit this BI and it's just not working out.

by Anonymousreply 107June 18, 2017 12:50 PM

R104, Love isn't classically talented either.

by Anonymousreply 108June 18, 2017 3:35 PM

Did Kate Bush have a 'circle'? Also, at some point, didn't she talk about being abused? She was also more of a dancer than an actor.

That really sounds like Lisa Bonet. We might have the male wrong, though.

r107 that was my first thought.

by Anonymousreply 109June 18, 2017 5:50 PM

I'm thinking Sinead O'Connor as well. She did some acting in Ireland around the time she became famous. She's a serious person with a deep social conscience (whether or not you agree with her politics, and apart from her serious mental illness) and attempted to use her fame to draw attention to things like sexual abuse in the Catholic Church. (That was the motivation behind ripping up a picture of the pope on SNL.) The term "unsuited to fame" definitely applies to O'Connor, as her interests and motovations were different from those of the typical pop star. Since Sinead had a connection to Prince, it aligns with the guess that he is "Mr. B." And Sinead, already fragile, went spectacularly off the rails in the period following Prince's death.

The fact that the players in an Entertainment Lawyer blind item are identifiable doesn't mean the story itself is true. I feel like the more detail involved regarding the participants, the more likely it is that the blind item is significantly fictionalized. If the people involved are Sinead and Prince, I believe a lot of this - just not all of it.

by Anonymousreply 110June 18, 2017 6:15 PM

Sinead claimed Prince punched her though. She also claimed after Prince's death that Arsenio Hall gave Prince drugs, which doesn't fit with "Ms. C. is terrified she will be thrust back into the spotlight and will be forced to discuss her relationship with Mr. B."

by Anonymousreply 111June 18, 2017 7:05 PM

It does have a ring and flavor of sounding a whole lot like Sinead. But could that be Prince ? Who else was she very close to..

by Anonymousreply 112June 20, 2017 12:49 AM

Wasn't she close to Bono at one point? And she was very, very famous.

by Anonymousreply 113June 20, 2017 12:58 AM

Doris Day

by Anonymousreply 114June 20, 2017 1:35 AM

According to webpages:

[quote]Ms. L: Winona Ryder Notorious situation: shoplifting charges in Beverly Hills, California

[quote]Mr. M: Johnny Depp Disturbing incident: Johnny accidentally shot Winona Ryder (CDAN reveal)

[quote]Ms. C: Natalie Portman (starred together in "Black Swan")

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by Anonymousreply 115June 27, 2017 7:55 PM

*agcwebpages ^

by Anonymousreply 116June 27, 2017 7:55 PM

Okay, I just realized that's from a different blind item, oops.

by Anonymousreply 117June 27, 2017 7:58 PM

Bette Midler?

by Anonymousreply 118June 27, 2017 8:11 PM

There are no "revelations" in recent interviews about abuse endured by Kate Bush. Kate does FEW interviews and is not the type to blather on about her personal life. I've been an ardent fan since 1990 and I've never read anything even hinting at a "disruptive family life." Her childhood sounds like a loving, healthy one. IF there was an incident by someone in her past, that would be incredibly sad and I can see her being extremely concerned about it coming out now.

by Anonymousreply 119June 27, 2017 8:55 PM

Bea Arthur.

by Anonymousreply 120July 6, 2017 9:32 PM

Was this BL ever solved?? I'm really curious.

by Anonymousreply 121September 20, 2017 9:07 PM

BI, sorry!

by Anonymousreply 122September 20, 2017 9:08 PM

I believe this is Mary Miles Minter.

by Anonymousreply 123September 20, 2017 9:10 PM

tldr for crissakes

by Anonymousreply 124September 20, 2017 9:53 PM

Carly Simon has to be Ms C.

by Anonymousreply 125September 21, 2017 1:54 AM

Carly Simon and Bill Cosby? I don't think it works to be Carly and James since they were married. I also thought of Charo and Bill Cosby.

by Anonymousreply 126September 21, 2017 2:10 AM

Is Charo really that highly regarded?

There's a hint towards Kate Bush that's significant. The blind says it was "really quite brave" of her to attend the event where she knew she'd see the person that assaulted her. There was an interview with Kate Bush some years ago where she described doing something new (I forget what) as "really quite brave of me." I wonder if that's a deliberate clue.

However, as I mentioned above, the Bush family is reported to be nothing but loving and protective. All of the family members, including Kate's physician father and lawyer brother helped manage her career so everything was done carefully and kept within the family. Very little chance for the exploitative most young stars face, not that it couldn't have happened at some point. But she didn't grow up in a fractured family, as the blind says.

Kate Bush did do some acting. She had small parts in projects friends were doing and then in 1993, she directed herself in a short film, The Line, The Cross and The Curve. She was very unhappy with the result, and very hard on herself.

Anyway, it's so intriguing to think of Kate in love with another stargazer! Someone who the blind says has become more famous and possibly died...I don't think it's Prince, but someone older....I'm thinking it was Bowie, the Starman.

by Anonymousreply 127September 22, 2017 3:07 AM

Interestingly, during her run of shows a few years ago, a DJ tweeted that he understood Bowie was going to join Bush on stage at some point.

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by Anonymousreply 128September 22, 2017 3:36 AM

When was Kate Bush a drug addict and alcoholic?

David Gilmour is married to Polly Samson since 1994 and they have 4 children together. She is a novelist and lyricist and has written lyrics for David.

Obviously this is supposed to be Kate and David but it doesn't match up and is a fake blind item.

by Anonymousreply 129September 22, 2017 4:07 AM

Madonna and Prince, you're welcome

by Anonymousreply 130September 22, 2017 4:17 AM

David Bowie, not Gilmour. Note Mr.B's fame continued to grow which isn't the case with Gilmour.

For all any of us knows, Bush may have had drug/alcohol and health problems. She certainly wasn't out in the public eye talking about she had a child without anyone knowing until Peter Gabriel casually mentioned it to an interviewer.

We do know that Kate was a heavy smoker and extremely thin during her first few albums. Then, when the amount of time spent in between releases grew she seemed to put on weight when she appeared to give interviews for the next release. Her weight probably fluctuated a lot when she was working years per album and she may have felt the need, in the MTV age to control her weight with drugs. This is just speculation, but she did once comment that she not like looking at women's magazines because they made her feel insecure. A great beauty like Kate! But it's not surprising.

Bush reportedly went through a hard time in the mid 90s. Her mother died. She didn't release her next album, Aerial, until 2005 and the press noted her weight gain. She disappeared again for years and then released two albums in 2011, but only appeared in one video, very covered up. She played her incredible shows in 2014 and again the pressed gleefully mentioned her stockiness. Even I was surprised that she didn't slim down for her concerts. She filmed the shows but did not release the footage, despite the incredible work that had into the staging.

If this blind item is true and not total BS, I think it reveals that Bush has struggled with her weight and used drugs to control it, something she wouldn't do for the 2014 shows if she were sober. She also maybe battling a health issue. Still, I think she is unhappy with her weight and won't release the Before the Dawn footage for that reason.

The thought of her and Bowie as lovers, collaborators is breathtaking. Both use space imagery a lot in their work...

by Anonymousreply 131September 22, 2017 5:08 AM

Parts of this sound like Carly and parts like Barbra. CDAN's A list can easily be our B list, he mixes up timeframes, etc. It would help to know who was mentioned in the Daily Mail around the time this was written as he/she/they make up blinds from DM articles.

by Anonymousreply 132September 22, 2017 8:15 AM

He is fake

by Anonymousreply 133February 21, 2018 3:44 PM

It’s very detailed for a fake item, though.

by Anonymousreply 134March 1, 2018 4:23 AM

1000 Bonus Points to R65 for the "Snapewives" mention.

Their whole scene was so amazingly bizarre.

by Anonymousreply 135March 1, 2018 5:12 AM

Eva and Merv. Merv is Ms. C.

by Anonymousreply 136March 1, 2018 8:00 AM

Meredith Baxter and David Cassidy

by Anonymousreply 137March 1, 2018 8:25 AM

R131 I've heard rumours about Bowie and Bush before. There again, Bowie supposedly fucked everyone he ever met, so that doesn't necessarily mean anything. They did have a connection through Lindsay Kemp and met a few times.

by Anonymousreply 138March 1, 2018 9:45 AM

Ms. C=Missy Elliot?

by Anonymousreply 139March 1, 2018 12:14 PM

This BI is overly long and totally boring.

by Anonymousreply 140March 1, 2018 1:23 PM

CDAN is a cancer. I find people citing him all the damn time and they won't listen when you explain he's a liar and an alt-right shill. He's conned people out of money, disrupted fucking missing person investigations and ought to think himself lucky he's avoided legal trouble thus far.

by Anonymousreply 141March 1, 2018 1:57 PM

As I read about Ms. C, I kept thinking about Ronee Blakely. So talented, and she became famous in that "right place at the right time" way, but later went off the rails big time. No idea about the Mr. B part. Dylan?

by Anonymousreply 142March 1, 2018 2:43 PM

I don't like this post, nor do I like the OP.

by Anonymousreply 143March 1, 2018 3:05 PM

Goop?

by Anonymousreply 144March 1, 2018 3:59 PM

Reese Witherspoon

by Anonymousreply 145March 1, 2018 4:02 PM

If it didn't include a reference to a recent industry event I would have thought it was perhaps Bobbie Gentry and Glen Campbell.

[quote] Her family background was very unstable and included abuse. Not a very happy situation to grow up in at all. As a result of all that, Ms. C was an awkward misfit who had a lot of problems as a kid. Music and acting provided healthy escapes for her, and in particular she was very classically talented in music at a young age. No one would have ever guessed she’d end up as famous as she was, especially in her particular genre, but she did. Many of her talents were self taught and were distinctive and unique.

Something about that makes me think Julie Andrews, but she hardly became a recluse and left singing only because her voice was ruined.

by Anonymousreply 146March 1, 2018 4:07 PM

Interesting choice, R146. I don't think it's her but her growing up definitely wasn't a bed of roses. IIRC she only met her real father when she was already a pre-teen, and some of her childhood might have involved poverty/abuse (can't remember which, maybe both). That she only met her real father when she was already performing semi-professionally or maybe even professionally is something I remember reading somewhere. She was perfect for the lead in My Fair Lady, btw. I don't like that musical though.

by Anonymousreply 147March 1, 2018 4:47 PM

Possibly Kim Novak. Don't know who Mr B. would be.

by Anonymousreply 148March 1, 2018 7:37 PM

R147 Yes, she fits part but not all of it.

If it were her, I'm not sure who the gentleman would be.

by Anonymousreply 149March 2, 2018 2:11 AM
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