Hillary Clinton rips DNC: I inherited nothing

The video:

This gawddamned bitch!

She needs to stop with the excuses. Even if she is right, it sounds bad.

I'm sorry, but didn't her campaign raise over a billion dollars?

She needs to go away. The party won't build and find a good candidate for 2020 when she is always lingering in the shadows, licking her wounds. I love you Hillz but it is OVAH!..give it a rest

I wish she'd go away. She's not helping us against Trump in the least bit. It's over. Seriously.

Can't Hillary and Kathy Griffin go get lost in the woods together? Time for the both to go the fuck away already.

She really has turned into that one annoying friend/family member who's STILL seething about that bad break up a decade later to the point you dread Thanksgiving and go out your way to dodge her at any other gathering.

Meanwhile, I recall The Pantsuit Jesus demanding during a debate that Trump accept a loss. I notice she and her ilk are hypocrites in that regard as they've not only refused to say she would accept it but also outright refuses to 7 months after the election. #resist #immagonnariot #notmypresident

So many bots.

So much talking to itself.

Fuck off with you incessant Hillary threads, OP.

These threads are never started by anyone who voted for her. It's always some grudge holding cunt like OP who cannot let go.

Hillary will go on about this loss till the day that she dies.

What is the problem with her pointing this out? She has a good point. She got shitty data, while the RNC raised 100 million to data mine the country and 2012-2016 was spent gathering data in a million places, running dozens of simulations to win, regardless of who the candidate is. Trump was handed this powerful machine, and Hillary wasn't given anything. If Dems want to win in 2020, we need better data.

They also used the data in combination with Brietbart. Watch the video, it's not that long.

R9 - Because multiple people can't be sick of the Pantsuit Jesus? Do us all a favor and go full Jim Jones with your obsession. Bottoms up!

Exactly, R12.

Fuck you, OP. Again.

What? I thought her campaign inherited the meat and bones of Obama's digital campaign infrastructure.

I still think Hillary actually did win.

speaking of DNC

Worst April Fund Raising

That is because they ignored their core base by taking Sanders along. I voted for him in the primary, but regret it, and would never vote for him again.

I agree. He kind of just wormed his way into this whole thing. Made promises like trump that he probably wouldn't have been able to keep but it went to his just like it went to Trump's head. And I don't believe he has ever really accomplished anything especially for the length of time he has been a politician

Quit whining Hillary. You lost, get over it.

it's all she has ... but I'm sure the dems want her face on our money and a Hillary cllinton day and a mug shot for her on mount rushmore someday

Yeah, I am sure the Republicans would be quiet if roles were reversed. FUCK REPUBLICANS! TREASONOUS ASSHOLES!!

Oh hello bots. How's all the new botting going?

HIllary needs a hobby

Yeah well it's not like she was running against Ronald Reagan in 1980. Sure the DNC needs to be cleaned up, but you ran against a guy who got caught on a hot mic bragging about sexual assault. A billionaire who made his bones as a slum lord, went bankrupt multiple times, robbed people blind with a fake university and couldn't make money running a goddamn casino! A man-child who can barely read! How many breaks can one ask for? If Barack Obama wasn't term-limited, he would've whooped Trump's ass with that same DNC.

Who will Hillary blame next for her awful candidacy?

well she's only got Bill Chelsea and the son in law and the grandkids left to throw under the bus .... maybe she would have won a ribbon baking cookies .....

R19 He didn't worm his way in. Hillary was supposed to be coronated but they they needed at least a couple of people to "run" against her so the coronation didn't look too obvious. Especially with the GOP having 15 or 16 potentials to choose from. The DNC just didn't count on Bernie actually becoming popular enough to give Hillary a run for her money and the only reason she managed to shake him off before the convention is by buying him another house.

You seem pretty sensitive R13 about being called a troll. Wonder why. Nobody even said it had anything to do with you but you responded...

R18 I think I love you.

R13, Kool-Aid has that new sour grapes flavor for sale in the blue states.

I think the new flavor was made in Russia just for the blue states

[quote]Worst April Fund Raising

No surprise, many Democrats loathe Bernie Sanders and resent that the party has been handed to cater him and his Bros. Perez needs to cut the cord now and take his place as leader.

they had better get Someone in there. Biden is thinking about running and he's too old. They need younger people, not those that are way past retirement age

Hmm. People want Kathy Griffin and Hillary Clinton to "just go away".

There must be a unifying reason why these two aren't allowed to open their mouths.

Can't put my finger on it.

As long as there are still people who think she was the best choice for the nomination and that she lost for reasons other than being a terrible candidate, she will have a platform for this kind of whining.

Amen, R35!

It's fascinating watching how obsessed some people are with Clinton. Sure they'll keep insisting that it's Clinton and the people who supported her that can't get over it and yet... the ones who hate her are the ones constantly starting threads and posting about her. It's sort of like how Janbot obsessively posts about Madonna all the while proclaiming he hates her so much.

Mental illness? Bots? Not sure which is sadder.

What was it, Trump now has 5 million new bots? Are they all posting on this thread?

Well, shit, I wish I had known she was here.

[quote]Mental illness? Bots? Not sure which is sadder.

[bold]M I S O G Y N Y [/bold]

Silly fool. People with vaginas aren't allowed to express opinions.

[quote]It's fascinating watching how obsessed some people are with Clinton.

True, and these obsessed people keep giving Hillary a microphone to complain into. If obsessed people would stop inviting her places, she could happily wander back into the woods.

R41 = proving the point.

She's truly insufferable

1. I wish that the pearl clutching concern trolls would go far far away. Hillary is not insufferable, but you guys certainly are.

2. Everyone here hated Debbie Wasserman Schultz (with good reason). She did was a terrible chair person. So Hillary is really just highlighting what a terrible job Schultz did, and therefore she is merely stating the obvious. Why Schultz was ever elected to lead the party I'm no sure. Other than she being a Floridian (and Florida being a key swing state) ; she clearly brought nothing to the table.

FYI We were also DEAD BROKE when we left the White House! This is the SECOND time I've had to recover from bankruptcy.

r32 Perez doesn't have what it takes to lead. He's clearly lost in this role. The very idea that they need to Sanders up the party tells you why they can't raise money. Democrats hate Sanders. I'm not sure what they were thinking when they elected Perez.

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[Quote] Trump was handed this powerful machine, and Hillary wasn't given anything.

Hillary was given Bernie Fucking Sanders

Did Bernie ever fund down ticket races like he was supposed to?

r49 you know he didn't.

So then where did all that money go? I mean, aside from illegally spending it to take a trip to stalk the Pope and buying a new house right after his campaign ended.

[quote]FYI We were also DEAD BROKE when we left the White House! This is the SECOND time I've had to recover from bankruptcy.—HRC

R45 is an idiot.

When the Clintons left our goverment had a [bold]surplus[/bold]. Bill Clinton single handily turned around the weak economy that Bush Sr. left us. The Clintons create 22 million steady jobs over the course of 6 years, never achieved before or after their exit, and strengtend our international ties with Europe and Asia. We were so well positioned that it took Bush Jr. an entire term to undo all the progress the country had made.

R52 I think you misread that post or what the person was saying.

When the Clintons left the WH they were in fact broke. Hillary is the one that dug them out of the financial mess.

Trump was the terrible candidate. The fact the he still won makes me think this was more than just Russia's interference. That may been created as an obvious excuse for the Republicans actually stealing the election.

The DNC needs to identify where they failed and they did by assuming that the rust belt did not need to be paid attention to. Some fucked up in that area. There data was wrong.

We need to not fuck up in the future. The DNC overestimated the intelligence of the United States. Alot of outside shit played a role, fake news, comey's bullshit and wikileaks but bottom line was not enough people voted for Dems in the rust belt,period.

[quote]The DNC needs to identify where they failed

Part of where they failed was allowing someone to run on their ticket that wasn't actually a Democrat.

Hillary is so bad she lost a rigged (for her) election!

The Data accumulated by the DNC and later handed over to the Clinton Campaign after the primaries was fishy for sure. Remember that the DNC data was inexplicably down during the primaries? That's when the Sander's campaign stole Data from Clinton voters? If the DNC data could be stolen so easily, what would stop an outside influence to thinker with the numbers?

She's drunk.

Agree about grifter sanders. The DMC has sent me numerous email and letters asking me to donate. The email gets deleted and on every letter I return with the note "get rid of sanders. No $ as long as that lying grifter stays"

Fuck them. I donate directly to the campaigns of democrats.

R12 Complete horseshit. Most pollsters including Rethug ones showed Hillary winning. The raw data was in her favor. If she had only gone to Wisconsin,not called the deplorable what they are and not held back her bad health,she might have been President. Now can she shut the fuck up and let the young people lead the Dems.

Sure, R61. Now can you shut the fuck up?

I was watching this interview on MSNBC earlier, and I was shocked.

I couldn't believe that she was saying what she was saying. Partly, it was because the interviewers were kind of egging her on with the misogyny thing.

But she was making excuse after excuse, and not really taking responsibility for her campaign.

Then she said she inherited nothing, and that voters were turned against her by these "forces," which were partly because of the political scandals, but she said also because they were "brainwashed" not to vote for someone atypical, who didn't look like them, and who wasn't a traditional candidate.

And I was like, "huh?" Didn't the country just vote for Barack Obama for two terms?

Then she caught herself, and incorporated Obama into her narrative saying, "well he broke through the first ceiling..." and started rambling about something else.

The whole thing was confusing, and now it just seems that she's grabbing at straws and pointing fingers.

I truly think that she needs to move on, because this is going to eat her alive.

R62 - Are you denying that CNN was insisting that Hillary had an 85% chance of winning up until the day of the election? It's all on YouTube, bitch. And the fact she's blaming the mainstream media (including The New York Times!) of being nice to Trump and nasty to her proves that she's living in Upside Down World. America dodged a bullet. Can you imagine this paranoid cunt being in charge of the nukes? She was paranoid enough when her husband was in office.

[bold]It's fascinating watching how obsessed some people are with Clinton. Sure they'll keep insisting that it's Clinton and the people who supported her that can't get over it and yet... the ones who hate her are the ones constantly starting threads and posting about her. [/bold]

This a thousand times.

We should have a name for trolls like the OP who hate Hillary and are utterly obsessed with her.

Yes, R64 we heard you. Now can you shut the fuck up?

You know, like how you feel like you have the right to tell her to shut the fuck up?

R62 AKA Hillary posts at The DL. You are one clueless cottage cheese infested cunt. Hillary led the vast majority of the polls. Even Kelly Anne Cunt Way's polls showed Trump losing the election the day of the election. The polls were wrong. Go cry to Ivainka's best friend,Chelsea. Most of us are done with your whining.

R66 - When did I tell her to shut the fuck up? Making up stories again I see. What else is new?

Oh, I am so sorry R68... I confused you with the person that wrote:

[quote] Now can she shut the fuck up and let the young people lead the Dems.

Because you all basically sound the same.. you know... like the Uncle you dread seeing at the Holidays because he can't stop bitching about that bitch ex-wife of his that he divorced 20 years ago who he claims ruined his life. And every year he still stalks and keeps up with what she's doing so he can say she's a bitch for it.

'Hillary will go on about this loss till the day that she dies"

Nah. She knows what's going down and she feels emboldened. She may have even had something to do with mining pertinent information. Good for her. Good for us.

The first half hour of Lawrence O'Donnell tonight was devastating. This show alone indicates Trump and his whole staff should be behind bars. It's open season and everyone is going to pile on.

Everyone.

@HillaryClinton People in covfefe houses shouldn't throw covfefe.

[quote]2. Everyone here hated Debbie Wasserman Schultz (with good reason). She did was a terrible chair person. So Hillary is really just highlighting what a terrible job Schultz did, and therefore she is merely stating the obvious. Why Schultz was ever elected to lead the party I'm no sure. Other than she being a Floridian (and Florida being a key swing state) ; she clearly brought nothing to the table.

Wasserman Schultz did such an awful job that Hillary immediately hired her for her campaign. What is Hillary complaining about again?

So many bots so little time to bot and hate Hillary.

That's not actually true, r72. DWS never worked on the campaign. Saying an honorary chair was hired into a campaign is like saying an honorary doctorate was hired into a neurosurgery department.

I believe I read in SHATTERED that the DNC under Donna Brazile was very concerned in the fall about how things were going. However, they were told by Mook & Co. "Back off, we got this!" He admitted to Hillary on election night that the problem lay with the fact that he and the campaign had been operating under faulty data that he had used to save money. Nothing to do with DNC.

She should head the DNC.

R69 - If you were a little less consumed with hatred and frothing at the mouth, you'd be able to respond to the correct person more often.

R71 - Robby Mook must be writing her tweets. He always writes the bitchy ones including the Delete Your Account one attributed to her (he posted the same thing all the time on his Twitter).

Sure, R77. I'm the one consumed with hatred. Keep telling yourself. Well, after you talk some more about Hillary, of course.

But R69 was right. Easy enough mistake to make. You all do sound the same.

It should be Hillary heading the DNC since Perez was such a disappointment.

What went wrong with Perez? He has always been a great asset to the party and now he's just allowing Sanders to boss him around.

R61 - she didn't go there because her analytics didn't show that she needed to go there dumbfuck. That was the point of the post! And that was her point!

The RNC had MUCH better insights into what issues people wanted to hear about, what counties were going to vote for who, and so on. This was a very very big deal.

Hillary has every right to talk about the loss to trump over and over. The presidency was stolen from her. And imagine how different things would be today if she were president. These are sad and bad times for the USA. At least we get the chance to hear from a sane person from time to time. So confefe that!

Good for her for speaking up. She knows the truth will be out eventually, she knows what she's doing. There's a reason repugs are afraid of her.

Clinton is a not a great / natural campaigner... that's why she needed good data more than Bill would have in the past. She was driven by focus groups - almost to a fault. In statistics, it's garbage in - garbage out. And because she had garbage, it's easy to see why she made the mistakes she did on TOP of the fact she wasn't the best / most charismatic person in "candidate mode". The DNC was coasting on Obama's 8 years and the RNC was hungry as hell. 100 million to spend on analytics is insane, but they were desperate to win. To augment this, Brietbart was tied in with the data analysis because the issues that bothered people in every part of the country were well understood.

It's funny that people want Hillary to go away and shut up so badly... no one's forcing you to watch her. And guess what? As long as they want to keep dragging her name out, and it's always about something that's already been proven false, in hopes to distract from the shit that they're doing and getting caught in? Oh well!

....and Brietbart honed in on those issues and beat them like a dead horse. When the issues weren't big enough, they (and other repub outlets) made the stories more absurd than they ever should've been. People were 100x more concerned over her emails than the fact they could lose all of their health insurance. Though I think Trump promised nobody would lose anything during the campaign actually. I forgot already since he lies about everything - it's too hard to keep up.

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From the background it's clear she'd been invited for a conversation at some kind of tech/data conference, hence this particular angle. I actually found it fascinating. I wasn't aware of the data advantages that the RNC had in 2016 given how much of the air Trump's daily antics sucked up in the news cycle. You'd think, from watching the news throughout the election, that the RNC was in complete meltdown.

God, she's such a wonk. She speaks with the authority of someone who really understands this stuff. But, why would we ever want that??

"... they (and other repub outlets) made the stories more absurd than they ever should've been"

Including Fibbin' Flynn's son.

Agree that it was Trump who was the terrible candidate. He's a terrible person with a terrible mind, a terrible ego, he's a terrible businessman, he has no morals or scruples. He's not just a proven liar, he is a proven thief (Trump University).

Terrible people voted for him.

And I'm not convinced the election wasn't hacked.

On Rachel Maddow they played the clip of Hillary explaining how the Russians were coordinating with the Trump. That woman is such a smart cookie. It really is a tragedy she is not our president.

r91, Hillary? I know Huma's left you, but you really need to go to bed now. Tomorrow's another day where you can make up more lies and be a nasty witch.

[quote] Hillary Clinton rips DNC: I inherited nothing

"There's simply no one better at taking the fight to the Republicans than Debbie," Clinton said, "which is why I am glad that she has agreed to serve as honorary chair of my campaign's 50-state program to gain ground and elect Democrats in every part of the country, and will continue to serve as a surrogate for my campaign nationally, in Florida, and in other key states."

IF she had this frankness during the campaign she might have won.

So many first time posters here!

[Quote] In statistics, it's garbage in - garbage out.

Excuse me?

What are you even saying?

Are you saying the mathematical field of statistical analysis is garbage?

Probably the funniest thing about the Trumpsters and trolls is that they post some crap then come along with a different IP and post "You're so right!!!" to themselves. I laugh every time.

Did Lchat get shutdown or something? DL is so humorless and paranoid personality disordered these days.

R100 you frequent there as well?

R99 it really is funny. And it's as though they're too stupid to see how obvious it is. I love when they're especially clustered... no one agrees with them until all of a sudden for the next 10 posts it a "bunch of people," who all agree.

R100 I wish they'd fuck off too.

No, r101. I'm one of those gays who thinks the G should separate from the LBT, so I wouldn't be caught dead on Lchat.

I wish the cunt had fucking won.

Get ready for the one day-one excuse campaign until 2020. Then it will be her time.

She needs a hobby. I'd suggest tap classes or perhaps pottery.

They're heeeeere.

Even Hillary's longtime proven allies are tired of Hillary's lame excuses

Solis Doyle served as campaign manager for Clinton's 2000 and 2006 senate elections as well as her 2008 race for the White House.

Wow, that Twitter post by Patti Solis Doyle is the first time I've ever seen a crack in the Hillary machine.

She's absolutely right, but still... it's pretty shocking @ R109.

....

r104

CNN: After blaming Trump, Russia, Putin, Sanders, James Comey, Obama ,Lack of date from DNC now she blaming liberal newspapers Newyoork Times and her own Party for her loss .

She is really went off the rail

I'm loving the "zero fucks given" Hillary. She's saying what everyone is thinking.

Well, I guess the B and the T aren't so bad, r112. Please find your way back to Lchat and stay there.

We all blamed the Media throughout the election cycle. New York times one of the biggest offenders. We were even going off on Maddow, who was a huge Bernie Sanders fan.

There was a double standard during election coverage from the same news outlets that are now trying to sink Trump. For sure, but I do like how she told the crowd to focus on what was happening in the White House and not to get distracted by the sensationalism of the media.

She needs to stop.

She also said the election was on October 28th. The dementia is showing.

r115 your bitter ass doesn't get to tell me or anyone else where to go.

[quote]She also said the election was on October 28th. The dementia is showing.

She said if the election had been on the 27th, the day before Comey pulled his BS on the 28th dumbass.

R95, if you think that post refutes r74, you're mistaken.

Was there a question leading up to her answer? Everybody pretends that she's just wandering around saying things off-the-cuff and then they pick out the worst sounding thing, pull it out of context, and run with it.

Interviewer: What's the worst blue fruit around?

Hillary: Oh, blueberries. They're so sour sometimes. I'd have to say, I wouldn't choose to eat blueberries.

News Report: Hillary Clinton Hates Blueberries, Plans to Bankrupt Red States That Produce Blueberries in Retribution for Loss

The media is proving exactly what she said. There is a double standard for women. Look how the media faps over Bernie Sanders every time he whines about the Democratic party and the election to understand what she means.

hmmmm so now DNC and NYtimes is also responsible for Hillary's defeat

The vast right wing conspiracy sure got vaster

She's right. The DNC data methodology and strategy were archaic. She also had a party and President that never defended her or themselves. At this moment, the DNC is still taking it in the face. And not in a good way.

At least 30% of posts do not show on my feed, and that's just the Dem hating cunts I blocked.

R120 she said "Nate Silver said if the election were on October 27th I would be your president. But it was on October 28th"

Loads of money, Hills.

Inject me, Sahib!

R126, They are not Dem hating. They just don't worship Hillary like you do

R56? The ticket was Clinton/Kaine.

Are you of age?

I just watched about half this interview which took place at CodeCon. She was being asked these questions repeatedly and pointedly at a tech conference that attracts a lot of key and C-suite types.

She details the Russian interference fairly well, neither I've read or understating it, but it is unlikely that many people in a post-click bait world will have the attention span to follow along.

*neither over or understating

[quote] I inherited nothing

me neither

For reasons which are well known to you, R133.

How odd...the Clintons stacked the ranks of the DNC for the last 20 years with middle of the road, corporate dems and loyal Clintonistas who worked tooth and nail to keep progressive voices out of the DNC and it's STILL their fault Hills lost.

The Clintons really are something else. 25 years of avoiding any blame and placing it elsewhere.

As much as I loathe the Trump Regime, I'm still a teeny tiny bit glad the Clintons didn't get to go back to the WH.

I'm glad Hillary is fighting back. God knows they've all been piling on her since November and she doesn't deserve most of it.

People who claim to hate Hillary Clinton mystify me. She's a smart, experienced,centrist Democrat. She's always been reliable, she's actually so predictable that she's rather boring. When pressed for specifics people who "hate" her express their anger and dissatisfaction with lots of things that aren't about Hillary Clinton. She gets used as the "Official Representative for Everything I Don't Like About Politics" more than anyone I've ever seen.

It's worth remembering that she actually WON that election by millions of votes.

[quote]It's worth remembering that she actually WON that election by millions of votes.

She "Won" 2008 Democrats primary too if you go by number of votes. Do you really think Obama was a loser in that primary election ?

She's a woman, R136. Never doubt the number of misogynists on DL.

Yes. Not voting for or even liking Hilary Clinton (or any woman) is misogynistic.

Yes. That's it.

Some of it is misogyny, R138, but certainly not all of it. She's been on the national political stage for so long, she's come to represent all kinds of things to people. They hate what she represents to them, it has very little to do with her as a person.

Have you seen Marine la pen playing gender card?. Gimme vote because I am a woman , i lost because misogyny . Never

Neither did Margret Thatcher , neither did Indira Gandhi or Bandaranayake in 1960s or Benjir Bhutto in 1980s .

But this Hillary is so shameless.

She has misogyny , Russian, Obama , FBI, DNC, Nytimes, Facebook.

I menat " She has blamed misogyny , Russian, Obama , FBI, DNC, Nytimes, Facebook."

[bold] Note to Cecil B and Friends: [/bold]

If you don't like these threads, if you find them to be "Clinton-bashing" threads started by "trolls" and "Dem-haters I've blocked"-- THEN DON'T FUCKING PARTICIPATE IN THEM.

If the people who start them really are trolls, nothing encourages them more than 100+ responses to their threads. If they're not getting a response, they will eventually go away. So every time you pop on to tell them they are trolls or Bernie Bros or that you have them blocked, all you're doing is encouraging them.

[quote]keep progressive voices out of the DNC and it's STILL their fault Hills lost..The Clintons really are something else. 25 years of avoiding any blame and placing it elsewhere.As much as I loathe the Trump Regime,[bold] I'm still a teeny tiny bit glad the Clintons didn't get to go back to the WH.[/bold]

Is that you Susan?

No hon, progressives are Democrats and Democrats are progressives. Newsom, Brown,Castro, Harris, Ossoff, and Clinton are people that represent progressives and true liberal values.

Your alternative version of a tea party is not progress, nor are BernBros progressive in any form. Of course you would be glad you voted for Trump because he represents your true ideals. You hate the middle class and you hate the poor.

She's a class A loser

You're adorable, R143. You've already gotten not one but TWO words banned on DL because of your incessant trolling.

Telling people to just ignore your trolling isn't going to prevent you from getting banned constantly from all the FFs you generate. Idiot.

[quote]Have you seen Marine la pen playing gender card?. Gimme vote because I am a woman , i lost because misogyny . Never

Wow, Trump posts on DL. We're so honored!

I voted for her, but, damn, much like Trump, she is her own worst enemy. Does she EVER take responsibility for anything she fucked up?

[quote]When pressed for specifics people who "hate" her express their anger and dissatisfaction with lots of things that aren't about Hillary Clinton.

That's what I was seeing on Twitter this morning. You can see it on this thread, things like "she has a toxic cult of personality" and "she says big words" and "uncharismatic" and "I wish her husband hadn't had so many affairs."

Then there's all the "warmonger" and "Goldman Sachs! Goldman Sachs!" comments, all from BernieBros. Not a single Trumpster in there, not even the guy who claims Trump "came out for gay marriage" 30 years before Clinton did.

Not that Amanda Marcotte's tweet wasn't 100% Grade A idiocy, because she is an idiot, but these guys see one idiot and think she represents all liberals (and women) and run with it.

Even I wanted nothing to do with that bitch, no matter how hard she tried to pretend the opposite

Yes, R148, she takes responsibility for plenty, even in this interview, which fuckwits like you don't even bother to read or listen to because why bother getting facts when you can just shit your pants every 30 seconds because of your Clinton hate?

She very specifically says that she didn't break any rules with the email server, but that the tech environment had changed and she didn't recognize it, and therefore didn't update her procedures like she should have. Then she says she didn't deal with the scandal the way she should have, that it blew up on her and so much was going on she just didn't spend time on the issue like she should have. She also mentions in the Q and A that they didn't understand how much the WikiLeaks thing affected them and didn't deal with it properly, and that their polling was out of date:

[quote]I won Pittsburgh, I won the country there, I won Scranton, I won the county there. But I just got killed out in the country and my numbers couldn’t hold me up. So yeah, we did think... I think polling is going to have to undergo some revisions in how they actually measure people.

She also says straight up that she gave speeches to Goldman Sachs because they paid her. Other places paid her and spoke there, too, and she has no apologies for her GS speeches. (And it was funny because Code Conference ALSO had Goldman Sachs there at the con because they paid them. So she's right when she points out the hypocrisy, though I'm sure you'd say she was just "blaming everyone else".)

There's also an interesting bit where she says that Democrats aren't putting their money into those crazy anti-Obama documentaries you can find on Netflix, and she heavily implies they should have been taking those tricks more seriously than they did, as well as creating their own content:

[quote]We are not good historically at building institutions. And we’ve got to get a lot better. And that includes content.

Then there's this:

[quote]I take responsibility for every decision I made, but that’s not why I lost. So I think it’s important that we learn the real lessons from this last campaign because the forces that we are up against are not just interested in influencing our elections and our politics, they’re going after our economy and they’re going after our unity as a nation.

There's more in there too, but I'm tired and you're probably not listening anyway. So you can go on and on about how she blames everyone else, but she really doesn't, and I'm just so fucking tired of you assholes saying otherwise. You're just believing what you want to believe, not reality.

R98 that person is saying if you use a flawed pool of subjects , then your results will be flawed as well.

Blaming techs...yet another scapegoat for her failures

I love this "I have no more fucks to give" Hillary. I wish she had been this unguarded on the campaign trail.

Me too, but I get why she didn't want to be. People have been slamming her since at least 1992 for being too mean and harsh.

Retard @ R98 - no, I am not saying the field (at which I took masters and PhD level classes) is garbage. If you want to do proper analyses, you have to collect data in a very accurate, precise way. It takes a lot of time and knowledge to gather good data that isn't crap. You can't just do 100s of internet surveys in a rushed fashion ("garbage in") with no money...or it will affect you results ("garbage out"). The republicans had 4 years to do in-person focus groups (expensive and time consuming), economic research, qualitative research, and far more than Hillary could do when she got the nomination and realized the dems had none of this data.

This is a phrase used by ever statistician and researcher in the world. Sorry your lack of education is showing.

every* statistician

Fixded it for you "Barron Trump" @ R98.... you could also have used google:

[quote]They hate what she represents to them, it has very little to do with her as a person.

And even less to do with objective reality.

[quote] (And it was funny because Code Conference ALSO had Goldman Sachs there at the con because they paid them. So she's right when she points out the hypocrisy, though I'm sure you'd say she was just "blaming everyone else".)

Except that Walt Mossberg (founder of the Code Conference) is not running for president or thinking of running for president, so he does not have to worry about the optics on getting paid by Goldman Sachs.

She's getting fried for that response.

It's understandable that she is going through the stages of grief--and they are not linear. She is going through the anger stage, it seems, and, hopefully, she will reach the point in accepting that she did everything she could. She gave it her all and would have sailed safely home if it weren't for that damned, fat, orange iceberg.

This story from NPR may explain a lot of where the anger towards her is coming from, and why Cheetoh resonated.

The author's theory is that it's not the One Percent, it's the Twenty Percent, the upper middle class, that has pulled up the gates behind it and made sure that its offspring remain and no one else gets in. Things like restrictive zoning and the usual array of tutors and unpaid internships and the like.

His main point is that that top 20% has not suffered during the past 20 years, while the lower 80% has and that gap is getting wider.

No one is more representative of the upper middle class than the Clintons, who got where they are because they're smart and went to good schools and worked their way up a corporate ladder of sorts (and H was a corporate lawyer).

He posits that a lot of the anger and resentment comes from the feeling that the upper middle class is pulling away and pulling up the drawbridge behind them.

[quote]If you don't like these threads, if you find them to be "Clinton-bashing" threads started by "trolls" and "Dem-haters I've blocked"-- THEN DON'T FUCKING PARTICIPATE IN THEM.

And if you don't like that people don't like it... ... shut the fuck up and click ignore.

I love how stupid some of you are. I'd say you're willfully ignorant and your hate just blinds you but I do actually believe you're stupid.

To go from her statement, "I inherited nothing," and arrive at a place that she blames everyone else and takes no responsibility shows you lack critical thinking and vital brain skills... much like Trump. Her response that she inherited nothing had nothing to do with blame or a lack of responsibility. It was a fact. A fact she stated about a direct question regarding where the DNC was at in terms of technology when she won the nomination.

I would give you idiots the benefit of the doubt and say that you're intentionally trying to manipulate her words in order to rile up your fellow morons... but that really would be giving you too much credit.

I quite like these political threads R162, and most of the people on them manage to have intelligent conversations, even if I disagree with them.

Was just pointing out that those who find them to be trollery are only compounding it by pointing out that it's trollery.

[quote]No one is more representative of the upper middle class than the Clintons, who got where they are because they're smart and went to good schools and worked their way up a corporate ladder of sorts (and H was a corporate lawyer).

Ummm this is the same story for the Trump family.

One of the more curious elements to these threads is the fact that the Disciples of the Pantsuit Jesus tend to assume that anyone who is not a fellow Disciple worships at the altar of Bernie Sanders.

I'm hoping one of you can explain why you feel it is impossible to view both the Clintons and Sanders with skepticism and yet remain a liberal Democrat.

Where does this tendency to see the world in such stark black-and-white terms come from?

(It's similar to another DL meme which is that sexuality is binary--one is either 100% gay or 100% straight, There is no middle ground.)

Not at all R165

Trump is seen a businessman made good--he's a Deplorable who is a self-made millionaire (or at least pretends to be) and they've bought into that. His mannerisms, his actions, etc. all say White-Trash-With-Money. Right down to the ex-"model" wife.

I have no idea why anyone would consider you a Bernie Bro, R166. NO idea at all.

For all of you who insist that those who disagree with you and fault Hillary for her own stunningly bad campaign are ignoring facts and are willfully ignorant, these are the facts boiled down: --she has never been popular, the majority of Americans have never liked her; --she had tons of money plus a huge political machine she and Bill have built since they left the White House last time, 20 years ago. That's one of the very reasons she got this nomination, not because of a groundswell or a popular draft. --she and her helpers manipulated party rules and apparatus to undermine a very popular rival, in such a vicious way that they totally alienated his voters, who represented 30-40% of the party. --she made the campaign all about Trump, and her own agenda was so well hidden that nobody knew what she wanted to do if she did get into office; --her supporters were hysterical, sneering and even violent, to the point where Trump's supporters didn't look all that crazy to voters.

The fact that people (well someone) constantly has to talk about how they feel that there are "Disciples of Pantsuit Jesus," ad naseam says more about them than anyone else. I mean, they (he) constantly brings it up at every turn.

R37 nailed it perfectly.

[quote] ignoring facts and are willfully ignorant, these are the facts boiled down: --she has never been popular, the majority of Americans have never liked her;

You just proved you're a moron by trying to claim that as "fact."

[quote]and her own agenda was so well hidden that nobody knew what she wanted to do if she did get into office; -

Another moronic statement after writing something about ignoring facts.

Her policies were everywhere. They were plastered all over her website. I'm sorry that you were an ill-informed voter who apparently was too lazy and/or stupid to access that information yourself.

"Pantsuit Jesus" is a term I learned on DL

It's very fitting given the anger of her disciples on here. (And to be clear, most of her supporters on DL are NOT Disciples. But the few that are... damn.)

It's calling people "morons" and dismissing anything they have to say against her as the mutterings of insane "BernieBros" and/or "Trump Trolls"

It's to the point where it's comical. R172 is a perfect case in point.

Yeah, it's comical that R172 called it out R169 with facts.

Frankly, R173 your post makes no sense.

[quote]It's calling people "morons" and dismissing anything they have to say against her as the mutterings of insane "BernieBros" and/or "Trump Trolls"

[quote]It's to the point where it's comical. [R172] is a perfect case in point.

You say R172 is a perfect example to back up your claim that people are dismissing anything that anyone has to say against Hillary by simply callling them morons, BernieBros or Trump Trolls.

R172 did none of that. They refuted the comment at R169 as being a lie. They didn't just dismiss them by calling them any of the names you mentioned but did so by providing a fact. Her policies were all over her website.

[quote] That's one of the very reasons she got this nomination, not because of a groundswell or a popular draft. --she and her helpers [bold]manipulated party rules and apparatus to undermine a very popular rival, in such a vicious way that they totally alienated his voters, who represented 30-40% of the party[/bold]

What R169 really means : "I don't care if Clinton was the popular choice. Bernie Sanders is white man and it was his right to win!! Wahhhhhhh !"

There I fixed for you .

My Muslim friends gave me millions, I had the love of a good woman Hooma, I hated midwesterners, whites, the middle class; I stereotyped people who didn't like me as deplorables--thus making even more people dislike me; I only campaigned with the coastal people and ignored flyover, even though I am a hillbilly from a flyover state; my stupid daughter gave a Waltonsesque speech about me being a mom at the DNC; I amsmug, arogant, snarky; I flip flop; I am too old and cunty and have no class. But none of it is my fault.

love R177

sums it up!

Oh look, first time posters invading and agreeing with each other!

[quote] Her policies were everywhere. They were plastered all over her website

And that's the problem. They should have been plastered all over her campaign ads. Nobody reads position papers on candidates' websites.

Exactly! It's not the fault of the voters if policies are on websites or if the candidate is talking about them at rallies and public speeches and during the debates!

So true ! What was she thinking? That Americans are literate? That they should research and pay attention before voting?

Not on my watch!

Would it have killed her to mention what she planned to do as president in some of her campaign ads, instead of every single ad being about Trump attacking women and the disabled? She fell into the trap of letting Trump define the campaign. Even her slogan "Stronger Together" was nothing more than a reaction to Trump.

The DNC data guy, Andrew Therriault, went nuts on Twitter, calling Hillary's accusations "fucking bullshit" and accusing her of laundering money through the DNC. Then he deleted all the tweets. But the screenshots are everywhere.

yep, R184

She blamed the DNC, Comey, weaponized information, The FBI, Facebook, New York Times, Rebecca Mercer, Bannon, Conway, the voters, misogyny, Putin, Macedonian operatives, Russian trolls, and the moon. But she takes full responsibility. I don't see how this benefits the Democratic party.

She didn't do any of that, R186... and you know she didn't. She didn't "blame," anyone but then again, you know that. You're obviously hellbent on spreading misinformation but your post history shows that.

So, what's the strategy for the coming Congressional elections? Anyone?

Tom Bonier‏ Verified account @tbonier 17 hours ago Fwiw, the data operation Clinton "inherited" was the most robust data operation the DNC has ever seen, including during the Obama re-elect.

[quote]It's important to note here that Therriault left the DNC midway through 2016, so he's not necessarily privy to late DNC data in those states.

[quote]and accusing her of laundering money through the DNC.

And where did he say that? It wasn't in the article.

All the D.C. data nerds are not taking too kindly to Hillary's remarks:

John Hagner‏ @JHagner 3 hours ago Replying to @JHagner I'll entertain any theories that the targeting was off, but don't have a lot of time for people blaming the core DNC data file.

[quote] Even her slogan "Stronger Together" was nothing more than a reaction to Trump.

As was "Love Trumps Hate"

It even had his name in it!

Yawn! I see that Bernie has his people invade social media again.

Bernie, you were beaten by a [bold]woman[/bold]. Get over it.

I don't know why you bother, r187. Your obsessive, fanatic posts aren't going to change anybody's mind. People can read (or watch) her speech for themselves.

[quote] Her policies were everywhere. They were plastered all over her website. I'm sorry that you were an ill-informed voter who apparently was too lazy and/or stupid to access that information yourself.

This is mind-boggling.

Whether you are selling soap, a car, a new internet-based service or a presidential candidate, you do not "plaster them all over your website."

You create short, digestible soundbites so that people can quickly and easily learn the benefits of your product.

"It's The Economy"

"It's Morning In America"

In an idea world, should people go to a website and inform themselves about the positions of their candidates?

Probably. But we don't live in an ideal world.

To win an American presidential election in 2016, you needed soundbites.

Along with an understanding of how the Electoral College works.

R195 try harder.

I am really at a loss to understand why the Pantsuit Jesus is doing what she is doing.

She must be smart enough to realize that the spin, from pretty much every news source, left, right or centrist, US or International, was going to be [bold] Hillary Clinton Adds DNC, New York Times, Bad Data To Long List Of Reasons Why She Lost.[/bold]

Not sure how that helps the fight against Cheetoh-ism, the Democratic party, her legacy or Bill's legacy.

R196 that was an appropriate response to what the person was responding to. Nobody said that that was ALL Hillary should have to do. The person replied to a comment that said Hillary's policies were nowhere to be found and that NOBODY knew what they were, which is false.

Learn how to read, R195.

With people like Andrew Therriault on her team, it's a wonder she got as far as she did.

I mean, not even taking into account his claims, the fact that he lost his shit and went whining on Twitter of all places tells me this is a guy who has no business being in a major political campaign in any role.

Especially since Therriault left the DNC midway through 2016! What did he even KNOW about the data after June of 2016? Nothing.

Bullshit R199

You're being purposely dense so as not to concede a point.

For most voters, her policies might as well have been buried in a hidden treasure chest. They weren't going to go to her website to find them.

Right or wrong, American voters expect the candidate (or the soda company) to tell them why they should select their product. A product or candidate that demands they go seek out the information themselves is fighting a losing battle.

The money laundering comment was saved by this guy who tweeted a screencap of it:

It's not bullshit, R202. Im not the one that posted it. The person replying specifically replied to someone who said :

[quote]nobody knew what she wanted to do if she did get into office; -

[quote]They weren't going to go to her website to find them.

Further, as stated above, they weren't just on her website. She did in fact talk about them at the debates and in her rallies and speeches.

I have always said that Hillary and her campaign made a lot of mistakes and one of them was overestimating the way people think and process information. She absolutely should have done more to break down her beliefs into 5 second soundbytes to appease those who can't be bothered. I've always said that.

@LPDonovan (To be clear, nobody "laundered" anything. National party committees have statutorily higher contribution thresholds tapped via joint funds)

David Radloff‏ @davidradloff 14 hours ago David Radloff Retweeted MJ Lee Used DNC data on numerous campaigns this year, well managed, efficient, accurate. Real question is who's feeding Clinton bad info and why??

[quote]the fact that he lost his shit and went whining on Twitter

As opposed to Hillary whining on and on and on...

I mentioned this upthread, but I'll say it again, Hillary's brilliant team blew off the DNC, telling them that they knew best.

And then they start talking about Seth Rich in that thread so you know what you're dealing witht here.

That's because this Therriault idiot thought it would be funny to CC the very dead Seth Rich on a tweet about pandas (Seth's Twitter handle was @panda4progress).

Of course the idiot Trumpsters think he "knows something about Seth's murder!!111!!covfefe" but in reality it's just another example of how Dr. Therriault is a goddamned idiot who can't control himself in public and act like a decent human being.

I say "idiot" a lot in my comment at R210 and I stand by it.

Well, r197, it looks like we can add fanatic along with blame to the list of the words you don't understand. No wonder Hillary's speech went over your head. Have a good one (aka spending all day calling people names, switching browsers to pretend to be different people, talking to yourself, calling people trolls while being one yourself, fanatical defending Hillary on a messageboard as if you're actually making a difference in the world, etc).

Look who's projecting at R212.

[quote] I have always said that Hillary and her campaign made a lot of mistakes and one of them was overestimating the way people think and process information. She absolutely should have done more to break down her beliefs into 5 second soundbytes to appease those who can't be bothered. I've always said that.

Then we are in full agreement, R204

You should read "Shattered" when you have a chance-- about halfway through and it's pretty depressing though very eye-opening

Endless proof of the mysogeny in America. No one is perfect, but whatever Hillary says or does it's always "she's a bitch/loser/poor campaigner/too strong/not strong enough/"you're the best but we won't vote for you anyway". Every woman who's ever tried to be "something" knows exactly what this is about. America is no more post-mysogeny than it is post-racial. Even after years of so-called gains, the White House looks just like it did in the fifties - a bunch of old white men bossing everyone around and taking all the money to boot. Trump has proved yet again it's any man over any woman. Now you can call me a whiny bitch.

Well, we agree on that point. I wouldn't say we're in full agreement.

[quote] Hillary's brilliant team blew off the DNC, telling them that they knew best.

I suspect this is true. Hillary's campaign had developed its own top-secret algorithm called "Ada" that it used to crunch the numbers and guide the campaign. They fed "Ada" data from lots of different sources. They were going to publicly unveil it after the election. Obviously, they thought it would become the model for future elections. Didn't turn out the way they had hoped.

Enough R215

There are plenty of female Senators, Governors, Mayors, Congresspeople, State Representatives, Judges and County Commissioners, from across the political spectrum who do not get called out as "bitch/loser/poor campaigner/too strong/not strong enough"

There's a reason this shit sticks to Hillary.

She rubs a whole lot of people the wrong way because she's Hillary Clinton. Not because she's a woman.

She'd be an unlikable school crossing guard, neurosurgeon, or SVP of Human Resources.

It's a Hillary thing. Not a woman thing.

I've asked in other threads but have never really gotten a response other than, "because she's a bitch/cunt."

For those who dislike Hillary, what exactly is it that you dislike about her? Why do you think she's a cunt/bitch/etc.?

[quote]The evolution of Russia’s position on possible meddling in the American election is similar to the way Mr. Putin repeatedly shifted his account of Russia’s role in the 2014 annexation of Crimea and in armed rebellions in eastern Ukraine: He began by categorically denying that Russian troops had taken part before acknowledging, months later, that the Russian military was “of course” involved.

R181, she really didn't talk policy during the first two debates. Her answer in one debate that she caught a lot of shit for was when she was asked a policy question she responded by saying to read ber book. Her answers were mostly...it's on my website.

Exactly why this entitled bitch lost the election

@LPDonovan (To be clear, nobody "laundered" anything. National party committees have statutorily higher contribution thresholds tapped via joint funds)

R166 is clearly a fire-breathing, baby-eating, misogynistic, Cheeto-licking, Bernie bro-ing, Trump-troll living under a bridge in Macedonia! We see you.

So blocked!!! GTFO, you immature deplorable klansman! Go back ro your Breitbart echo chamber. DL #currentyear is for reasonable, adult discussion.

[quote]DL #currentyear is for reasonable, adult discussion

said no one ever here at DL since 1995

Well done R225!

W&W

[quote] I've asked in other threads but have never really gotten a response other than, "because she's a bitch/cunt." For those who dislike Hillary, what exactly is it that you dislike about her? Why do you think she's a cunt/bitch/etc.?

I'll play R219

She is seen as a know-it-all who thinks she is smarter than everyone else and thus does not listen to anyone else.

She is seen as insincere, adopting any positions the polls tell her to, and she's not enough of an actress to sound convincing about her new position, the way most pols (her husband included) are able to do. That leads people to think she's just in it for the power--she's never articulated a clear vision of why she wants to rule.

The best way I can describe it to you, which is ripped off from a friend, is that people got the sense that if the Clintons owned a company, Bill would be on a first name basis with all the secretaries and janitors and security guards, he's remember their birthday and their families and ask after their kids.

Hillary would always be secreted away in meetings with her inner circle, she'd dismiss anyone who disagreed with her and plot to get them fired, she'd ignore the support staff and talk down to them, mix up their names. She'd throw everyone under a bus, claim she never supported changing the marketing plan when it was her idea... well, you get the picture.

Whether any of that is fair or not--I don't know. I don't know the woman. But it's the image she projects to many (but not most or even all) people.

As I said, I think a lot of it stems from the fact that she's not a good politician and can't muster up the sort of believable enthusiasm needed for the role. (Think of Madonna's acting career, or lack thereof.)

As others have noted on here, she's a brilliant director trying to cast herself as the leading lady and it mostly doesn't work.

Hillary sounds & looks like a dictator who's in exile, befuddled that wave of democracy has taken over her country.

Entitled Clueless Defiant

Which stage of grief is she in over her loss?

Anger?

What an ungrateful cunt. The DNC handed her the nomination and she fucks it up and then she blames them? God I hate that bitch and wished that both her and her corrupt husband would go away quietly but of course they don't. The Democratic party needs to take a huge ExLax and purge themselves of the Clintons

Is Hillary burning bridges or clearing out the infidels... it's hard to tell

They handed her shit, R231. The DNC is so incompetent they're letting a non Democrat travel the country on the Dem dime shitting on the party. That is how the DNC gets shit done. Give me a break.

R233 who the fuck cares whether Bernie runs as a Democrat or an Independent. The DNC is a corrupt shitshow that needs to be abolished

biatch

I don't care if it

Rains or freezes

As long as I've got my

Pantsuit Jesus

Ridin' on the dashboard

Of my car

Through my trials

And tribulations

And my travels

Through the nation

With my Pantsuit Jesus

I'll go far

[quote] It's fascinating watching how obsessed some people are with Clinton. Sure they'll keep insisting that it's Clinton and the people who supported her that can't get over it

She lost. There is nothing being accomplished by Hillary complaining and speaking out. Half of this country hates the Clintons. Yes, he got a blow job. She's an aggressive female. They hate that. The DNC needs to realize that fact. And no amount of Hillary complaining is going to change that. She is coming off like a bad loser. It's making more people not like her. It's making people who weren't crazy about her, dislike her and the Democratic party. I loathe Trump and I voted for Hillary, but it's not productive for her to speak out. She will never, ever change the minds of low IQ voters. NEVER. These are people who use Obamacare and voted for a guy who is getting rid of it. That's how fucking stupid they are. They will not admit trump is a dangerous lunatic until they have lost their jobs, their insurance and/or their homes. And even then a lot of people still would not admit it

The more she talks, the more she is alienating potential voters. And that's fine for her, but she really needs to think of all the other democratic politicians. She's affecting them too

And the DNC needs to accept the fact that people hate the Clintons and the Democrats. The DNC needs to rebrand themselves. They need to stand up for the people and stop standing up for corporations. But that's not going to happen. It's business as usual for the Democrats

People may not like Bernie Sanders, but a lot of people do like him. He does appeal to a lot of younger voters. Voters the Dems need to get on their side. Right or wrong, he appeals to voters because they think he is on their side. They think he isn't the same old business as usual politician. That's what appeals to all the people who voted for trump. A lot of people who voted for him know he's crazy, but they are sick of the political system we have. I don't find that much of a difference between the republican and democratic parties when it comes to corporations. I only vote for the Democrats for social issues (gay marriage and abortion)

She can speak out if she damn well pleases. The fact that some shout and tell her to go away and she won't only pisses them off further.. and frankly, I'm fine with that.

[quote]People may not like Bernie Sanders, but a lot of people do like him.

Correction, a lot of people hate Bernie sanders, but a lot of people do like him.

So what's your point? The same can be said about anyone. Clinton included.

r238 Sanders is not crazy. He's useless. There's a big difference. Beyond those sound bites, there's a void.

And here it is, mid 2017, and the dems are STILL bickering. Thank you, Jebus for small miracles.

Whatever this foolish, shallow and duplicitous women does and wherever she goes chaos, recrimination and deception follow. Before November 8 she was a dangerous, incompetent and a menace to the country. Now she's simply pathetic.

[quote] She can speak out if she damn well pleases. The fact that some shout and tell her to go away and she won't only pisses them off further.. and frankly, I'm fine with that.

That's great that you are fine with it. But in the end it is just turning off a lot of liberal voters. No it isn't going to turn them into republicans, but it will keep them sitting home of voting day. The neoliberal status quo ante of Obama and Bill, which Hillary attempted to run on, is the problem. The idea that once we get rid of Trump everything will be fine. It won't. We'll just proceed to the next Trump, who will probably be worse.

The old Dems are simply not the future. Organize politics around younger leaders and win; stick with good old safe faces (from any political strain) and lose. America is still changing and still, even more, angry. The fact remains that the party and the nation are at a fork in the road. If party "leaders" (I see very few that qualify) make the right choice for the people, they will find that the party base and many more will follow them to electoral victory. If they try to enforce "unity" behind past failures, both the people and the party will suffer.

Thanks to posters 161 and 228 - taken together they explain the election results very clearly. An increasingly stratified society + a candidate who exemplifies that stratification (Hillary's idiotic "deplorables" comment sums it up) sealed hers and the Democrats' fate. And deservedly so.

[quote] I've asked in other threads but have never really gotten a response other than, "because she's a bitch/cunt." For those who dislike Hillary, what exactly is it that you dislike about her? Why do you think she's a cunt/bitch/etc.?

Who knows. But the fact is that half the country has a white hot hatred for Hillary. Fifty-three percent of white women who voted, voted for Trump, not Hillary. She needs to stay away. Most voters will never know or understand analysis or facts. Much voting is emotional and on a personal connection level. They voted for trump because they (wrongly, in my opinion) thought he would fight for them. They didn't feel that way about Hillary. The fact that Hillary and other Democrats don't realize this is shocking to me.

Forgive me for not being able to make a proper citation, but I do remember reading that the Clinton campaign arrogantly sealed themselves off from the DNC, who were beginning to panic at the numbers in (I think) Wisconsin, and refused to accept their counsel thinking they had it in the bag. Will try and dig up sources.....

That's how the situation was described in SHATTERED, R247.

Jesus Christ, the election was 6 months ago. She sounds pathetic. Take a cue from previous losing candidates and drop out of sight (and hearing) for a while, Hillary.

R237, as far as I am concerned, you can talk all you want about Democrats hating the Clintons, but there is not doubt that if that is true than they hate Sanders just as much. If what you say is true... I don't think it is, I think just the fact that you use the word hate and attribute it to tens of millions of Americans I understand that you see things black and white.

Well, in that black and white word of yours, Sanders is hated too. The Clinton and Sanders are, by your definition of hate, completely even.

^ then they

P.S. . Be careful what world of hyperbole you construct, R237

"I would love to debate this some more" said no one, ever. No one has answered my question yet. What is the strategy for 2018 from the Dems?

[quote]That's great that you are fine with it. But in the end it is just turning off a lot of liberal voters.

No, it isn't.

[quote]. It's making more people not like her. It's making people who weren't crazy about her, dislike her and the Democratic party.

No, it isn't.

[quote]I loathe Trump and I voted for Hillary, but it's not productive for her to speak out.

Sure you did.

[quote] Before November 8 she was a dangerous, incompetent and a menace to the country.

I see you're here to project again, Donald.

Look here you fools, Hillary Clinton has worked for this DEMOCRACY - this country in extraordinary ways for her entire life and a group of petulant stupid sounding Bots or Gays dont get to tell her to "go away!" "Stop it!" As Flotus she stood up for the women of the world in the US and 3rd world countries. As a 2 term Senator she served this state in REMARKABLE ways - beginning with totally rebuilding NYC after 9/11. Rebuilding public transportation, roads, restoring small businesses, getting lifetime Health Insurance for Frist responders - she has provided 5,000 NYKers with Health care - so who are you to whine "gooo awwaaayy.?" Assholes. After she did that she served as Secretary of State and stood up for Gay people around the world declaring "Gay Rights are Human Rights" demanding countries stop the criminalizing of LGBT people, after she created the first LGBT equality in the US Government.

She doesnt have to "go away." Get it? It is you who are worthless do nothing whiners. Hillary gets shit done. As for her election loss, unless you're from a state is actually horribly gerrymandered and rife with voter suppression you think "its an excuse.' Its NOT an excuse, Fla alone has 1.5 cases of former offenders that are denied voting rights - Fla is one of 3 states in all the US that does that. Creating new Poll Taxes is real - by color by age by economics. Wisconsin IS hugely suppressive of voting rights.

So now we know that Shitstain has increased his Bot count by 5 Million - that explains DL these days. Not to mention the usual misogynistic straggling Berners.... Hillary is a ROCK STAR. She is leading the protests and not for nothing has Trump failed at everything he has tried short of alienating our Allies and dumping the Paris Accord.

Hillary is a million times smarter than that Idiot Sociopath or his screaming old man bookend from Vermont. Hillary knows the score and how to handle this mans shitstorm. The #RESISTANCE is REAL.

R254, so that's the platform for the DNC? Hillary the rockstar? Pantsuit Jesus Act III? Really? Sorry. No.

my Opinion: Hillary can and did destroy many a "white men" that got in her way but she couldn't bring down Obama and she really thought she had trump when that nbc video came out but that backfired on her when more emails came out. she failed at destroying him that's what is burning at her now ... she didn't take it this bad when Obama bet her

R247 the basic premise of "Shattered" is that Clinton was a bad candidate - that "emails" were real. Neither was accurate - totally false premise. Hillary was actually a the most qualified President in recent history - by far more qualified than Biden, or anyone else. She had Peace Treaties, Anti Nuclear Proliferation treaties, rebuilt America's Financial Center, Global recognition and profound respect from every Democracy.

She is quite brilliant and has extremely tenacious grasp of details that create policy - nuts and bolts. She was an IDEAL candidate with a platform that embraced Equality and Justice for all... and demonstrated success of it all. Biden had NONE of that. She was the BEST candidate.

The Media - spec the NYTIMES was a shitty source of reporting and created "The Flawed Candidate-Emails." In fact the WaPo REJECTED that entire narrative, it was the sole Provence of NYTimes. "Shattered" is based on the NYT narrative. Should be titles "False Equivalency." Bottom line was and is, Misogyny, Hillary couldnt make money on speeches, Hillary couldnt pound the podium and scream like those 2 assholes, and she couldnt have emails like every single former President & SOS had - BAD WOMAN = MIsogyny.

America LOVES its big FAT WHITE, RICH, CON MEN, DADDY WARBUCKS - even if it is a criminal grifter like Cheeto. And hates a BRILLIANT COMPASSIONATE SUCCESSFUL LEARNED FEMINIST.... "Shattered" is Shit and built on a false narrative - just like the NYTimes coverage of the election. Maggie Haberman gets a pass - she was assigned to the Grifters pool.

R256 - Well you're a bright one! "She didnt take it this bad when Obama beat her" that's right Mr ! Because they had identical political policies! He wasnt an agent of a Hostile Foreign Power either! She didnt take it that bad - yooouuurrr right! She is a great Democrat she went to work campaigning for him immediately - in turn he knew that that GWB had strewn chaos across the world and he needed a Known, respected global US figure to rebuild the global trust and stability - HILLARY as SOS. She did a great job rebuilding international unity.

[quote] What is the strategy for 2018 from the Dems?

"We don't like Trump". Same strategy as 2016. And increasingly likely for 2020 and 2024.

R254 None of the Trump policies have succeeded. Not his poisonous "American Healthcare" not his "Immigrant Ban" not his Budget, All in all it is pretty fucking successful "Pants Suit" strategy. There is an Independant Counsel, 3 Investigations. Additional successful Pants Suit strategy. How you doing now?

Doesn't the hillbot brigade get tired of itself? I would've loved to have seen our first female president, too, but we're in a huge crisis here and it's not likely to get better if we keep trying to rip each other to shreds. She made a lot of mistakes and lost to a buffoon. Time to move on. Pants suits aren't going to restore the democrats until another election. We get Pence. Right. Or worse, Ryan. Deal with that, instead of trying to convince people she can save us. She can't. She won't.

R259 - this time lots of hungry people, unemployed miners, parents of kids in shattered public schools, women without birth control included in company health insurance plans, people breathing dirty air, poor idiotic deplorable without Medicaid and healthcare are going to shit can Trump. Count on it.

Go away R 261, we are busy fucking up GOP House and Senate. Take your negativity, boy toys and exit the area. We have work to do. Bye now.

[quote]Doesn't the hillbot brigade get tired of itself?

Don't you tire yourself out?

R254, Hillary can stay. She can speak out. She can do whatever she wants. The only thing she will accomplish by speaking out is damaging the Democratic party. You can think whatever you want. I work with republicans. Almost every single person I went to high school with is a republican. I'm the only Democrat in my family. You can not rationalize with these people. They do not want to understand facts. They are like 10 yr olds. They only understand sound bites. They vote against their own interests year after year for their entire lives.

The only thing that Hillary is accomplishing by speaking out is focusing low IQ voters attention to her, instead of what a shit storm trump is creating. These people don't read newspapers. They get their news from Twitter, Facebook posts their other republican friend's posts and faux news. And one thing those sites have in common is constant negative Hillary Clinton news. She's making herself a target. She doesn't need to speak out to me. I have common sense. When she speaks out it's to people who hate her. She'll never convert them. If she had the tablet form for the cure for cancer, half of them wouldn't take it

[quote] the basic premise of "Shattered" is that Clinton was a bad candidate - that "emails" were real. Neither was accurate - totally false premise. Hillary was actually a the most qualified President in recent history

Being highly qualified does not necessarily make someone a great CANDIDATE. Being a good candidate also involves things like campaigning, strategizing, messaging and image. George Bush Sr., Bob Dole and John McCain were all highly experienced and qualified as politicians, and they were all lousy candidates.

[quote] She had Peace Treaties, Anti Nuclear Proliferation treaties, rebuilt America's Financial Center, Global recognition and profound respect from every Democracy.

That's great, except that (1) voters cared far more about domestic jobs and the economy than they did about global treaties and international diplomacy, and (2) voters were in an anti-Washington mood. When poll after poll after poll shows that voters hate Washington politicians and that they care about jobs and the economy above all else, it doesn't do a hell of a lot of good to say, "But she brokered anti-nuclear proliferation treaties!!! European leaders love her!!!"

[quote] "Shattered" is Shit and built on a false narrative - just like the NYTimes coverage of the election.

Would that be the same NY Times that endorsed her over Trump, and also endorsed her in 2008 over Obama?

Let's talk about how she's damaging the Democratic party by talking about how dumb Republicans are and vote against themselves. Extremely linear!!!

Yes, Hillary is trying to convert the low informed voter!!!

What a great loss that she was not our president. She was a [bold]brilliant[/bold] politician.

Unfortunately, this country has sunk to a 3rd world country mentality and we have come to realize that vanity and a lack of empathy is prevalent in our American society.

[quote]You create short, digestible soundbites so that people can quickly and easily learn the benefits of your product.

This quote here accentuates the recognition of how our standards have fallen. American citizens are not strong enough to read, research, and use their intellect, and we are destine to repeat the same mistake over and over again.

[bold]All the great politicians of the last 30 years would have lost Trump.[/bold] Obama would have lost against Trump, Hillary would have lost (and lost) to Trump, Bill Clinton would have lost to Trump, John Kerry would have lost to Trump, etc. The problem is not the politicians, but the collective at large. We have stagnated and all fault belongs to us for allowing this to happen.

This is probably the beginning of the Western states becoming their own territories, and I can blame them.

R268 You lost me at John Kerry. He was hardly a great politician.

R254 it's fine although peculiar you love the pantsuit bitch so much. Your rant is so cray cray; every piece of it is easily picked apart. I do want to point out that a President is responsible for the United States NOT third world countries. We give away enough $$$ AND FREE STUFF TO the world's losers; your bud Nobama gave away plenty. There are severe needs HERE. Stop worrying about smelly Syrians who do nothing but cause trouble and hate gays. Give me a break with your tales of nice Mulims you know in NY.

[quote]Was there a question leading up to her answer? Everybody pretends that she's just wandering around saying things off-the-cuff and then they pick out the worst sounding thing, pull it out of context, and run with it.

[quote]Interviewer: What's the worst blue fruit around?

[quote]Hillary: Oh, blueberries. They're so sour sometimes. I'd have to say, I wouldn't choose to eat blueberries.

[quote]News Report: Hillary Clinton Hates Blueberries, Plans to Bankrupt Red States That Produce Blueberries in Retribution for Loss

R122 - Thank YOU! I find this practice so annoying. When a well known person says something slightly new in an interview or at an event etc, it's reported as though they held a press conference to make this announcement. She was invited to this data tech conference. Of COURSE she's going to be asked questions about the election and without the shackles of a national campaign, she's going to be frank and give zero fucks. And, unlike Trump, she doesn't sit there whining, but instead systematically lays out the case for her argument in detail.

[quote]She was a brilliant politician

Hahaha!

"Obama would have lost against Trump... Bill Clinton would have lost to Trump..."

Uhhhhhhh... no. You really are nuts if you think either of them would have lost to Trump.

CNN's John King today dismissed her excuses by saying, “You don’t understand: The Russians cloaked Wisconsin,” referring to Clinton’s ignoring the battleground state until it was too late. “So she couldn’t find it on a map to get there and campaign there,”

[quote] All the great politicians of the last 30 years would have lost Trump. Obama would have lost against Trump, Hillary would have lost (and lost) to Trump, Bill Clinton would have lost to Trump, John Kerry would have lost to Trump, etc.

The same Hillary die-hards who were telling us less than a year ago that Trump was the weakest presidential candidate in U.S. history and that there was no conceivable way Hillary could lose to him are now telling us that Trump was so unstoppable that he would have defeated any Democrat.

[quote]Being highly qualified does not necessarily make someone a great CANDIDATE.

Sanders wasn't even qualified. Talking about a lousy candidate.

R266 you must be Glenn Thrush - ahh no he wouldnt waste the energy in here... Every newspaper in the country endorsed her except 2 - one was Jareds revenge rag. So NYT gets no credit here, '08 or '16. False Equivalency - one sure way not to write about all her Excellent DOMESTIC POLICIES that never aired... because emails, says NYTimes.

Damage the Dem party? Oh for shit sake, she just explained to no less than the entire tech industry HOW critical a role espionage & BOTS played in corrupting our Democracy. No she actually made a remarkably detailed informative speaker. She basically made news in an industry that only had a vague clue.

[quote] Thanks to posters 161 and 228 - taken together they explain the election results very clearly. An increasingly stratified society + a candidate who exemplifies that stratification (Hillary's idiotic "deplorables" comment sums it up) sealed hers and the Democrats' fate. And deservedly so.

Thank you R245. I am both R161 and R228 .

Your synthesis is spot on.

This piece from CNBC offers a good primer (and rational explanation) for those wanting to know why so many people dislike her

@R15 That was the problem. Obama gave her nothing. BC did everything but grovel but Barack was like...Nah, son.

[quote]ou really are nuts if you think either of them would have lost to Trump.

Not only would they have lost to Trump, in Obama's case he would have lost by a larger margin. Trump and Sanders' people voted in part because they wanted change (from progress I could only imagine).

Our society has sunk into a deprave state and no politician could ever save us from it. The change has to start from within, the public has to change. This is probably why you'll see the West coast secede.

Strongly disagree R281

As the article linked at R279 does a great job of pointing out, there was something about her that turned off so many voters. She has many skills but connecting with voters is not one of them

(And yes Cecil B., I know. She won by 3 million votes. But the rock in front of my door would have won by 4 million.

"...there was something about her that turned off so many voters.... "

Get a large, full face pic of HRC. Now. With a piece of paper or something, obscure everything but her eyes.

That's the problem. No matter her brilliance, her accomplishments or her qualifications? Something about her is....let's just say off putting. Like a submerged alligator with only it's eyes visible. Her nickname throughout school wasn't Sister Frigidaire for nothing.

She cannot control this.

R280 - Of course Obama only did the bare minimum for Hillary. He remembers back to 2008 when she started the birther shit and Muslim shit (having her campaign manager at the time send info and photos to The Drudge Report knowing that he'd run with it which said campaign manager later admitted) and Bill saying something about how Obama was only fit to fetch them coffee.

She feels cheated, and wants revenge at this point. It remains to be seen whether or not she could get the establishment behind her for another try.

[quote]She has many skills but connecting with voters is not one of them

And yet they were able to connect with Trump. What does that say about America?

That America [bold]connects[/bold] with messages of racism towards Mexicans and Muslims? It says that America [bold]connects[/bold] to homophobia?

See? At one point people need to take responsibility for their actions. Hillary is not the reason we got Trump in office. It is America that voted for Trump and put Trump there knowing full well the consequences of their actions.

[R284] And not to mention BC talking shit that BHO was some unqualified neophite no one had heard of who had no business in the Senate let alone running for the Presidency.

As if that jumped up cracker out of Arkansas was on everybody's lips before HE ran.

𝑷𝑨𝒀 𝑵𝑶 𝑨𝑻𝑻𝑬𝑵𝑻𝑰𝑶𝑵 𝑻𝑶 𝑻𝑯𝑬 𝑻𝑹𝑬𝑨𝑺𝑶𝑵𝑶𝑼𝑺 𝑻𝑹𝑨𝑰𝑻𝑶𝑹 𝑷𝑹𝑬𝑺𝑰𝑫𝑬𝑵𝑻!!!

𝑯𝑰𝑳𝑳𝑨𝑹𝒀! 𝑩𝑬𝑵𝑮𝑯𝑨𝒁𝑰!

𝑯𝑰𝑳𝑳𝑨𝑹𝒀! 𝑩𝑬𝑵𝑮𝑯𝑨𝒁𝑰!

hey R286 people know why they wanted Trump and when the blue states cause chaos and wont let him fail (like they want him to) that's when they know he's good for America. Blue states it's only for 4 years grow up there are no safe rooms that's a myth....

[quote]People may not like Bernie Sanders, but a lot of people do like him.

This is the funniest thing I've ever heard a BernieBro say. Well done, R238.

[quote]He remembers back to 2008 when she started the birther shit and Muslim shit

I love how you keep trying to pass this off as truth. Then again, you sound about as dumb as Trump.

R284 gets her news from Breitbart so that tells you all you need to know.

Muslim is NOT a race, so people who justifiably dislike them are NOT racist, for the billionth time.

Trump and others have NO PROBLEM with LEGAL immigrants from Mexico. Pay attention silly girls, he has a problem with ILLEGALS.

Hillary LOST b/c she was not the best candidate. She has crocodile eyes, lies, the whole "what you mean with a cloth" re wiping her server--all of these convinced me, a Democrat, tat she is the wrong person. I used to like her. But she seems to hate the Midwest, whites, especially men; she prefers Muslims and their big $$$; she smirks and insults 75% of the country.

I currently live outside the US maintaining citizenship. But having a wider world view than just the view from conceited NY or fashionista LA has given me a better perspective on what is happening in the world than those of you who "live in NY." News flash babay: the US is not the power iit once was; NY has not been relevant for years except in the minds of those of who who claim to live there; Obama has made the world a VERY unsafe place.

Someday you may wake up and realize the ultra liberal way is what got the US/western Europe in trouble in the first place.

R286 - Trump held up a rainbow flag at one of his rallies and said he was there to represent ALL Americans. Hillary invited the father of the Pulse terrorist to sit right behind her at a rally.

For R291 and the other Hill bottoms who can't handle the truth.

“I’m going to be talking to white people. I think we’re the ones who have to start listening to the legitimate cries that are coming from our African-American fellow citizens,” she said.

Oh once someone comes in posting that ridiculous bullshit at R294 you know they're posting from Russia.

If you want anyone to take you seriously troll at R295, post from a different source that isn't the Washington Times.

Of course you can't. Unless you're going to post from Brietbart which you might as well have.

For R297 and other Hill Bottoms who still can't handle the truth:

Another one for R297 and the Hill bottoms:

R298 - Here's an article about from The Advocate. Will you believe that source, cunt?

Oh no, R298 - there's even video. Should I call the waahmbulance?

R298 Or how about from Out magazine? Isn't that enough of a source for you or are you going to claim they've gone full freeper as well because they dare post a fact that doesn't fit with your "reality"?

No you dumb cunt, at R301 who just proved she has the reading comprehension skills of a second grader (just like your hero Trump). Your post at R301 has nothing to do with the post at R298. Nor does your post at R302 so you've just proved you're a dumb moron. There will be no Borscht for you until you can learn to troll properly.

Further, your post at R300 does not back up your ridiculous claim that he was invited.

Jesus, you people really do just get dumber and dumber.

The trolls are floundering.

R304 - You called me a liar when I said Trump held up a rainbow flag at a rally and that Hillary had the Pulse terrorist's father sitting behind her at a rally. I showed you articles about each (some with videos, others with photos) and you still call me a liar. How am I lying? The only dumb cunt around here is you.

The Cecil B. Brigade (who I think are just a half dozen posters in total) cannot believe that people don't want to worship the Pantsuit Jesus.

Thus, every time someone calls them out or disagrees, they immediately start shrieking (and you know they shriek!) TROLLS!! BERNIE BROS!! TROLLS!!!

So...Hillary is floundering?

No, R306 you're still a dumb cunt with really bad reading comprehension skills. I know they probably don't teach English as a priority, but please go back and read again to what you're responding to. We'll wait.

[quote]TROLLS!! BERNIE BROS!! TROLLS!!!

Pretty sure you're the only to have brought up Bernie.

Well to be fair to R306 she voted for Trump so you have to give her a little slack for her mental handicap. She was just born stupid.

What is truly and pathetically sad is how tone deaf they are to the future. How little they want to move forward. No, R306, you need to go back and read the whole thread. They were in the voting booth with everyone and you voted for TRUMP if you don't like Mrs. Clinton. Pity them. They have no idea she is over. They imagine she is leading a resistance of some sort. The only thing I see her resisting is the need to go away.

I did not vote for Trump.

I just don't think Hillary is the Pantsuit Jesus and I'm mad as hell at her for fucking up royally and losing a very winnable election

Try again.

hahaha R313. Sure you didn't. We believe you.

R314 sounds like a Jill Stein supporter

Sorry, R306, I meant the fool accusing someone of bringing up Bernie. I agree with you. The Hillbots are fucking idiots at this point. Pathetic has beens, along with Hillary. NO ONE CARES if you believe us, R314. Go and fuck yourself already. No one else will, that's obvious.

You keep bringing up Bernie r307 which is not part of the conversation. Gosh I wonder what your true goal in this thread could be??? Try harder

I believe R313.

Browser switch!

[quote]NO ONE CARES if you believe us, [R314]. Go and fuck yourself already.

Apparently you do!

R320 = The Browser Switch Troll

Bingo R317

They are mostly older gay men who lived through the AIDS crisis when everyone who wasn't with them was against them and they need to keep seeing the world as black and white

They're all over 60 and will be dead soon enough.

You obviously care R317 or you wouldn't be so upset about it. Afrid you will get a bad performance review for today?

We probably need a few more posts agreeing with itself.

R322 = The browser switching troll.

R326 is as paranoid as The Pantsuit Jesus. No wonder you're a slavish Hill bottom. Does Hillary's cum dribble out of your ass as you slither across the floor to pray to her replica in your shrine five times a day?

Is that all you got? You seem mighty worked up about being called out as a troll.

And also, you're really obsessed with Hillary's cum.

R328 - You're the one who can't stop taking her loads. And you're the one who calls everyone who disagrees with you (on ANY topic) a troll or a Russian or Susan Sarandon or a Bernie Bros or whatever/whoever else that pops into what's left of your mentally ill mind. I'm not worked up. I'm laughing at you knowing that your attitude and actions will ensure a second term for Trump.

You're the only one talking about her loads, sweetie. And you seem really obsessed with Bernie... I've not brought up Bernie or Sarandon or a Russian.. nor did I call anyone who disagreed with me a troll.

So yeah, you are worked up and it's fascinating that you can't see it. But I am laughing at you that you are seemingly so offended here.

It's tender to the touch.

R330 - Plenty of others have. Unlike some around here, I don't block people just so I can then obsessively hit the Ignored tab and read their every "anonymous" post and then respond to them. I don't care enough about the shit posted on here to become an obsessed stalker or do background checks on other posters.

So the logic was, "other people have done it so I'll accuse you of doing it."

Right. That's logic right there.

[quote]I don't care enough about the shit posted on here

Your posts show otherwise.

Why do you care so much R332?

R334 - Considering everyone posts anonymously on here, the only way you (or anyone) would know someone's posting history ("Your posts show otherwise") is if you did exactly as I spoke of in a previous post which proves that you are the obsessed troll around here.

I just pop in every now and then for a laugh. I don't make it my life like you clearly do.

Wrong, R336 I do not need to check your posting history as you've referred to your own posts as well as continuing the flow of conversation in your responses. I'm sorry you were unaware of that.

[quote]I don't make it my life

You clearly do.

As with Hillary herself, her lazy, arrogant supporters always resort to denigrating anyone who disagrees with them as stupid. Stupid is as stupid does, fucktards - so enjoy Hillary's loser tour while it lasts.

As for stupid, you people really think you're smarter than Matt Drudge and Peter Thiel, two brilliant, outspoken gay men who supported Trump and who refuse to allow the gay liberal elite to dictate their positions? This tired gay/liberal axis is on life support - and thank you poster 293 for trying to talk sense into these deluded old queens. It's them who are out of step with reality.

[quote]always resort to denigrating anyone who disagrees with them as stupid. Stupid is as stupid does, fucktards

This is all we need to know about R339.

The bots are at it again on twitter. The Hillz meme is trending with an unusual number of first time twitters tweeting RT, Info Wars, and other "publications."

hahaha @ R341

Few people retweet Infowars

Ok, I'll play too as to why I dislike her but voted for her because she is a million times better then Trump. But I was for Bernie in the primary. It's Bill. I am a 55 year old woman and when he ran for pres I didn't find him charming or charismatic. I found him fake, insincere, a poser, and smarmy. I did not find them to be true liberals, from DADT to his not protecting the environment until the last days of his presidency when he knew Bush could automatically override it. And knew Bush would. It was a bullshit facade, they were corporate shills like the Repugs. Like most politicians. Bill makes my skin crawl as did asking in the deposition what the definition of "is" is and lying under oath (yeah, I am one of those poor idealistic attorneys). She should have divorced him after she became a Senator. But they are tied together not by romance but political ambition and I don't think she thought she could get there without his skanky butt. And that is where she lost me and a lot of other women, especially younger ones. We want a female president but not one who thinks she needs the force of her political husband, especially a gross smarmy one. And her and the female dems bullshit that women who didn't vote for her were going to hell for not backing each other was hypocritical crap that can be refuted in two words - Monica Lewinsky. Bill was the person in authority with an intern and Hillary attacked Monica and all the women Bill had slept with with gusto calling it a conspiracy when the only conspiracy was Bill had no intention of not giving the Repugs and the press ammunition. Monica's life is ruined and Bill and his dirty bullshit foundation is doing fine. THAT is misogyny. Yeah, the foundation was a problem with me too. Some of you will say it's politics, they all do it, blah, blah, blah. But some of us actually want to bring about political change, not just bitch about it. But like I said. No question I was voting for her over Trump, ever. Just stating why she was never my choice for the dems or the first female president.

R343 - Thanks for chiming in that there's someone else who doesn't think Bill Clinton was the greatest thing since sliced bread. All the adulation for him I see on all these threads here, and elsewhere, and I began to think that I must be missing some genetic piece that would allow me to see his greatness.

R343 = Monica Lewinsky

After slapping Bill to the floor, Hillary should have grabbed you by the hair and out to the streets for being a little hussie.

Yeah, I don't get how it was Bill who ruined Monica's life.

Or is that one of those... no personal responsibility for anything things.

Regardless of the dozens of posts trying to divert from and silence the topic, in the real world life goes on and passes by Hillary.

[quote] Franken: Clinton should ‘move on’ from election loss

Not that she will take that advice. To her deathbed she'll be blaming everybody else in her conspiracy DT's.

So I guess Al Franken is a Russian spy. Well, why not.

And what Al actually says:

[quote]“I love Hillary. I think she is very prepared to be president of the United States … and I think she has a right to analyze what happened, but we do have to move on,”

Franken is not a Russian spy, r347. Get real. He's a MACENDONIAN OPERATIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All the tinfoil on this thread has inspired me to bake this afternoon. Thanks!

Hillary is now a bitter shit-stirrer. I'm glad she lost. She would have caused a divide between women and men the same way Obama worsened the divide between blacks and whites. These people don't solve problems. They cause problems and make existing problems worse.

Well talking about hating Hillary is the best way to never discuss the Russian attack on the fundamentals of our democracy. Even Hillary prefers to discuss Putin, 1000+ espionage agents and Putins ownership of Wikileaks and the Destruction of our Electoral process. Hillary is absolutely right to keep this in the news. Putin Russia Trump, Putin Russia Trump... and the end of a trouble free Democratic process in America.

Ok. Produce some sort of proof. Running around whining and bellyaching about THE RUSSIANS! THE RUSSIANS! isn't getting anybody anyplace and makes a lot of people look very desperate. Put up or shut up. If they know something we don't, then tell us already. Until then it just a bunch of horseshit from a bunch of desperate and clueless people.

To the person who asked why people don't like Hillary...

She not a likeable person to a lot of people.

Those who love her claim that it's all a result of years of attacks, but if you had been paying attention you would know that she was not liked even back in 1992 when Bill was running for POTUS.

Consider the story about the focus group reactions to her during Bill's 1992 campaign.

[quote]Whatever problems Comey, Wikileaks, and others caused for Hillary Clinton’s campaign, the campaign’s greatest problem was the candidate herself, one of the two least appealing presidential candidates in a century....One can forgive Hillary for not recognizing (or admitting) her own faults. But her staff’s reaction calls to mind an episode from the very beginning of her national political career, recounted in George Stephanopolous’s 1999 memoir, All Too Human.

[quote]On the campaign trail in 1992, Bill Clinton campaign’s staff (including Stephanopolous) reviewed focus-group data. Participants had been asked to register scores on handheld meters as news footage appeared onscreen. Stephanopolous and the others could see the scores displayed on the screen in real time, giving them an instant account of the voters’ responses.

[quote]And, in this case, the results were ugly: “When a shot of Hillary speaking was played,” he writes, “the line on the screen dropped like a downhill ski run.”

[quote]The voters’ reactions to Hillary, however, were much less telling than her husband’s reaction:

[quote]“Oh man,” Bill Clinton reacted. “They don’t like her hair.”

[quote]It was a delusional (if well-meaning) reaction, and Stephanopolous and James Carville knew it:

[quote]Nobody said a word, but James—who was sitting next to me on the couch across from Clinton—started grinding his fist into my thigh. That pressure and the laughter building up inside me made me double over until James mumbled something and burst out of the room. I was right behind him. We collapsed in hysterics the second we hit the corridor. From then on, whenever I wanted to make James laugh, all I had to say was “They don’t like her hair.” To him, it was the single most memorable line of the campaign.

Perhaps Hillary and Mo'Nique could compare notes.

R354 I wouldn't expect Tennessee (Deplorable central) to feel any other way). The worst reaction about Hillary was that she was not a house wife.

Good for her then, and good for her now!

Yeah! I don't think anyone is shedding any tears because they don't like Hillary and Democrats.

R354 is right. Exhibit A:

Exhibit B:

Exhibit C:

[quote] I wouldn't expect Tennessee (Deplorable central) to feel any other way

What??? Where does anyone reference Tennessee? (Except at R356)

Why didn't she do any of this in 2016?!!!

She did many talk shows, The View, late talk shows, she was all over the media.

The bots and trolls on this thread are numerous and awful.

R363 Respectfully, she didn't even travel on the same plane as her press pool for the majority of the campaign.

R363 Yes respectfully that is true, she was using a corporate lease Challenger - far far cheaper than the very, VERY expensive Boeing 737 she eventually chartered. She was paying a giant bill not only for the aircraft but the massive fuel bill associated with it AND the maintenance and crew. So it is not a question of "she didnt even" that was no choice - she wasn't spending that big money until she was the nominee. Your perspective is totally incorrect. The Grifter already owned his jet, billing the RNC for both the entire cost of flight and the fuel.

It's funny that Hillary would claim that she inherited nothing, when the total foundation of her position and candidacy was that she was deserved to be president due to her familial and political dynastic rights.

So many rubles being earned.

I can't remember R364, did Trump travel with his press pool? Srsly can't remember. TIA.

The Clintonistas really are insane. If you don't support Team Clinton1000% you MUST be a misogynistic, Tea Party, Trump loving, Neanderthal/Bernie Bro (which is somehow the same thing in their nutty logic) that insists the corporate ass kissing middle of the road Clintons are true progressives.

She lost because she's unlikable. And, no one really wanted Slick Willy back in the White House calling the shots and sploogin' on interns and lying about it.

We know exactly what you are R369.

I don't quite get how I'm misogynistic (or a right wing dupe) because I don't like Clinton, yet I admire EW (with doubts she could win a national race)? Bigoted, sexist WI rejected Clinton, but no problem with a lesbian senator- Funny kinda rednecks those are . . .

[quote] I don't quite get how I'm misogynistic (or a right wing dupe) because I don't like Clinton, yet I admire EW

Because it was her turn dammit!

Is she dead yet?

Can we please have our rubles now?

If I had a ruble for every nasty thing I've typed or said about cunt clinton I'd be the richest girl in Nashville Maybe even in the state of Tennessee.

[quote] Hillary Clinton rips DNC: I inherited nothing

And you shall receive it - IN ABUNDANCE!

While you're all about the ruples, someone should audit the Clinton foundation for the Chinese and Wall Street "donations" mostly paid for favors done by both Clintons. Don't forget to determine how much foundation money was personally spent by the Clintons.

Hillary wanted women to vote for her. That's funny because she surely went out of her way to fuck over all the women Bill had already fucked. But she did whatever it took, I mean whatever it took, to keep Bill in the governor's mansion and the White House. Gotta love that little woman.

They should change their name to Stonewall because that's what they're best at when called out for their shady dealing all the way back to Arkansas.

What's shady about raising money?

Nice try, R377. Well, not really.

Ahem.

Hillary forever!

Is she still on her Loserpalooza tour?

Her Loserpalooza tour may wrap up in prison. They threw bombs at Trump, well let's see if he throws some back. She and her husband are corrupt criminals and have lots of shit to worry about; THAT'S why they scrambling and trying every trick in the book to ruin him. People are catching on.

R377 is Bernie Sanders fan with a history of bashing minorities and women.

Well since Comey was told by Lynch that the Hillary email case was a matter and not an investigation does that mean an investigation could now be opened as the matter was closed and an investigation was never started?

There was no wrong doing. Her server was never hacked. Trump however hand picked the Russian agents that Putin knew personally to run his campaign - sooooo. His orange jumpsuits going to look swell with his fake tan and rats nest dye job. Give it up TRUMP is essentially a traitor calling for Putin to hack our election. That is a pretty dire circumstance now matter what bubble you live in.

R386 = Delusional

R387 needs to die in a grease fire.

A blazing hot grease fire, and I'll toast marshmallows on your scorched corpse.

Sour grapes. Hillary is still a loser today. And will possibly go to jail.

RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!

Just a late thought. What could the DNC have offered Hillary couldn't have bought anyway with her two to one spending advantage over Trump?

So it turns out the only interesting thing about Comey's testimony was Bill cost her the elections. Again. HAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHA Oh I can't stop.

Lol.

Flush. The democrat party, The Clintons, and CNN are over. How fucking embarrassing.

Hardly, R392. You obviously weren't paying attention or you haven't accurately learned to translate from English to Russian.

The MOST interesting thing about the hearing was that Comey out right called Trump a pathological liar. As well as his statement that he was relieved that Sessions had "recused" himself and if they wanted to know why he'd be happy to tell them in the closed session.

That's why all the rats are trying to flee.

what do you call liars who call liars liars more times then not a Dem with a big heaping dose of Hillary and Nancy

2020 will be her year.

you're not too obvious R397.

Huh?

R396 needs a hobby...

It's everybody's fault except for hers.

She's still deplorable.

So unpopular, so divisive, so much baggage, yet...

"The Democrat outpaced President-elect Donald Trump by almost 2.9 million votes, with 65,844,954 (48.2%) to his 62,979,879 (46.1%), according to revised and certified final election results from all 50 states and the District of Columbia."

Still bumping ancient threads?

Killary is a bitter drunk

OH BITCH PLEASE

You shriveled old warmonger! You run that shit!

She is so bitter

Enough of this stupid slunt who will never be president.

Poor Hillary.