Chris Cornell Dead at 52

Shit. My heart missed a beat.

NO!!! Fuck. OMG, I love him.

Cant believe it. I was listening to his cover of Nothing Compares 2 U earlier today!

He did a beautiful version of "And I Will Always Love You" when Whitney died.

Drugs? How? 52 is quite young.

Meanwhile, Trump, Limbaugh, Cheney, Gingrich, McConnell, Hatch, etc., still live...

I'm stunned. He appeared to be clean and sober for a long time.

The statement said suddenly. Perhaps heart attack or stroke?

I know he has really young children

WTF...Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Stone Temple Pilots, and now Soundgarden

Now only Eddie Vedder is left.

Long live Chris Cornell, Soundgarden, and Audioslave

The hottest guy in grunge by far.

RIP. Always thought he was so sexy...

He's been very vocal about his sobriety for years. I guess that level of addiction for that many years does irreparable damage. I'm always suspicious when a musician does while touring because it seems they have an opportunity to relapse. At 52, it would be getting tough to perform with enthusiasm if you were sober.

"Be Yourself" is one of my all time fave songs.

No! My beautiful Chris. I have been in love with him and his music since day one. Blow up the outside world and the day I tried to live will be on repeat all day tomorrow. Rest In Peace chris

He had the BEST singing voice.

OMG, i'm sooooo upset! He had a beautiful voice! I think his heart gave out. Probably all the damage from drugs and drink. What was he addicted to, anyone know?

He looked really thin in recent pictures. or was it the grueling tour schedule?

So young.

He's the guy from Audioslave!

Like a Stone is one of my favorite songs . *cries*

I'm feeling heartbroken. Just sad.

R16 If I remember correctly he was a massive drinker. Not sure about the drugs but as R12 said, he was vocal about being sober. I believe he said he was able to fly under the radar because he seemed the most "normal" of the four.

[quote] He's the guy from Audioslave!

We know.

I read that he's been drugging and drinking since the age of 12 and went to rehab in 2002.

Damn...I wonder if he died in his sleep? they said it was "sudden and unexpected"

Chris with The Lovemongers (Ann and Nancy Wilson's other band) cover of "Wild Horses"; they sound good together:

[quote]Drugs? How? 52 is quite young.

Depends where. On DL, ancient. As an American politician - a baby.

RIP beautiful man. I remember reading an interview with him a while back and it was obvious that he was madly in love with his wife and just overall seemed to be in a good place. I doubt anybody saw this coming.

Always a Good Vibe!🌟

My partner is a huge fan. I liked Cornell too until he started giving wanky interviews after getting sober and saying just really inane stuff, which also started seeping into his lyrics. Lately though he seemed to have evened out and moved past all the "rebirth" crap and I was back to being impressed with him again. His interview after the massacre at the Bataclan was quite good.

So young!

[quote]Drugs? How? 52 is quite young.

I’m thinking. Especially, due to the sudden and unexpected in quotes.

I ain't never heard of him. He looks hung.

I take no pleasure in saying this, but it is a known fact that when a cleaned up heroin addict slips, ODing is very common because their tolerance is much lower than it was when they were using. I hope I am wrong.

Man, he was sex on two legs.

The Illuminati got to another one. Droppin like flies

Was he into herion? damn.

He looked really thin. But he's always been skinny.

Yeah. he was probably using again...

[quote] He looks hung.

Not anymore.

r31 that's the first thing I thought of.

You can also damage your system so that any change can cause problems. If he was pushing himself on tour, it could've caused a heart attack b/c his heart was weakened by drugs & alcohol.

He was in the mainstream news recently (Feb. or March I think) as being a very close longtime friend of Brad Pitt--and being one of the only people who could lure Pitt out of hiding since his divorce to come out this big charity event in Los Angeles for an organization that works to find a cure for a rare, life threatening skin condition that afflicts some children at birth.

Pitt introduced his "close friend" Cornell onstage at the event. Chris and Sting posted this pic on Instagram after the charity event.

Damn, I wonder if this will cause Pitt to relapse...

r37 that doesn't bode well for the cause of death.

So sad for his wife and family. IIRC, his kids were younger.

Saw this when it first aired - I remembered him clowning behind the interviewer and saying the zoo depressed him ( the 28:00 mark) ... great face and amazing fucking vocalist.

Why was Chris Cooper at R36?

Sad. I am only a casual fan. Did his career ever rebound after the awful reaction to the album he did with Timbaland?

R39 I think he has one daughter with his first wife, then a son and daughter with his second. All teens or close to.

Suicide by hanging.

NY TIimes Obit at link.

Brian Bumbery, in a statement that called the death “sudden and unexpected” and that said the singer’s family would be “working closely with the medical examiner to determine the cause.

r44 fuck off and stop trolling threads with your bullshit.

R44 Isn't trolling. It's breaking everywhere that it was suicide by hanging.

Then where are the links? I was just on twitter and didn't see anyhting. TMZ didn't even have it. Seriously, links or WTF?

Detroit media is reporting it as an apparent suicide. He did his concert at the Fox Theater, went back to the hotel (MGM Grand). and was discovered in his rooms bathroom with something around his neck by the tour manager. Cornell's wife had called the tour manager earlier and asked him to check on Chris and when he went to his room and there was no answer broke in and found him.

This is the first I found.

Just saw it now. Apologies to posters above; we've had a couple of death trolls here lately.

DAMN!!!! That sucks! I remember reading that he struggled with depression as a kid and never went out of the house etc.

If the wife was so concerned about him, why didn't she tag along on the tour?

Could it be "auto-erotic asphyxiation"?

They said he was found on the bathroom floor--sounds like OD, so might not be suicide unless there's a note, which isn't in the reports yet.

did he leave a note? was it a sexual thing? fucking hell. was he naked?

he could have gone to the bathroom and collapsed. some people die after taking a shit.

It's cool R51. It's a shitty thing all round. I think everyone's a bit WTF at the moment.

R54 Some reports are quoting the police referring to "a device around his neck".

would he have energy to jerk off after a concert?

Noooo....

r58 some performers get wound up after a show and drain the energy in various ways. Even some older ones keep 'theatre hours', i.e. up all night, crash at dawn, sleep until around noon.

His younger kids were 11 and 12. That's a really tough age.

Heart attack probably, junkies can develop a lot of heart problems..

He loved his family a lot, I don't see him as a suicide or auto erotic hanging freak. He probably never knew what hit him , poor beautiful man. A sad loss.

He has a history of depression, so hanging is definitely a possibility. RIP!

AIDS.

I wonder if he was sick and tired of touring and just wanted to end it....mentally fatigued, completely drained and just couldn't do another show.

R63 I was waiting for Aids comment!

R65, Cause the assholes on DL can't help themselves... they're so boring.

When I first saw Casino Royale in the theater, I really hated the theme song, as I found it completely unglamorous and blustery, but it's since become one of my favorites since it matches Daniel Craig's Bond very well.

I know we still have a few music industry insiders here. They might chime in later in the day.

This is hitting me harder than I expected-maybe because I thought he'd corralled his daemons. RIP

Acoustic version of the Bond theme. He sounds great with just the guitar.

Another acoustic Black Hole Sun

Not a bad guitarist for a singer of that calibre, either.

This is hitting me pretty hard. I adored the man, he was a huge crush for me back in the 90s. So gorgeous and the voice was incredible. I've seen so many Soundgarden shows, but when he released his first solo album, he played the Moore Theatre for two nights in a row and I went both times. Loved him.

Somebody on Reddit was at the show last night and said he seemed a bit off... still good but slower than the band at times, but I think he did two encores and signed some autographs afterwards.

Someone is also saying his last song was Led Zeppelin's 'In My Time Of Dying.'

A lot of outlets are reporting the Led Zep song, but he's been performing it for a while on tour now so it may not have been an omen or a message.

Thanks for all the updates...keep them coming. I'm going to bed now...depressed.

I just woke up to this. Wow. Chris was a sober, and as far as I know, had long term sobriety. He either had a heart attack or a stroke, I'm guessing.

Unless he relapsed and told no one. That happens more than people like to acknowledge.

Sources tell WDIV in Detroit that Cornell’s wife called a family friend and asked him to check on the singer. That friend found Cornell dead on the bathroom floor in what appears to be a suicide, according to the NBC affiliate’s sources.

Shallow to say but it always seems more tragic when they are beautiful.

It just hit me that one of Soundgarden's songs is titled 'Pretty Noose.'

r76 other local stations are quoting sources (some LEOs) saying he was found dead with a 'band' around his neck.

Just read r49. Fuck.

OMG. SO beautiful. So talented. Soundgarden was the only good grunge band. Fuck this.

I don't know why I'm so upset about this possibly being a suicide, but I really, really don't want it to be a suicide.

This is hitting me like a ton of bricks. I just cannot believe it. Fuck.

Had mentally said goodbye to him years ago because I knew he'd be killed. He's another one who sold himself to th highest bidder for fame. Notice his death was "sudden" and coincides with a pagan holiday? Also, his first and last names both begin with the letter "C," which is the 3rd letter in the alphabet, CC (33).

All you need to do is listen to the lyrics of his songs to see what the industry put him through. To those of you who are really saddened by his demise, my apologies, but you really need to wake up.

LYRICS - BLACK DAYS

Whatsoever I've feared has come to life

Whatsoever I've fought off became my life

Just when everyday seemed to greet me with a smile

Sunspots have faded and now I'm doing time

Now I'm doing time

Never a huge fan. I was more into Nirvana. But I did love the Audioslave song "It Doesn't Remind Me". As everyone else said, he was sober. For years. So weird. But hell, my grandpa drank a fifth and then some every day and lived to be be 94. You never know.

He was smoking hot and had pipes for sure.

Confirmed by an editor at Variety

I know, [R82]! I was away from this thread for only an hour and then I came back and was shocked at what people were saying and thought that the suicide thing was a joke!

I don't know why hearing the suicide thing is so, so upsetting, but I had just assumed (sadly) that it was an OD at first.

I mean, for him to *intentionally* do this (if it's true) even with having the world at his feet: amazing career success and recognition, money, fame, celeb friends like Pitt, a wife and young kids, etc. (and after just performing a concert which takes a lot of effort--and shows to him that he's still in demand by the public) is crazy and shocking!

What was going on with him? This is so sad!

And he was young too. Why end it all and leave those poor kids of his behind like this too? He *seemed* like a compassionate person as well with the charity work and such; I just don't get it at all...

He wasn't even one of those musicians that looked "rough" or "on the edge" and had you "worried" about him (like a celebrity like Johnny Depp for instance--sadly no one would be too shocked if Depp died right now). Cornell looked good and happy in recent photographs.

Why bother getting sober (which can be so hard) and making a new family if you're going to do *this*??

I pray no suicide.

Seriously, [R88].

Lord, he was THE sex symbol of the grunge era for me. When he sold out and went solo my interest waned...but he still had that beautiful voice. Goddamnit! Chris and Layne Stayley were the biggest talents in that scene...and now we're stuck with only Eddie Vedder.

That truly sucks. He was beautiful and incredibly talented. RIP

52 is a hard age for men, it must be harder if you are famous and beautiful. I'm 52 and all I think about lately is death and the fact that my best days are behind me and there is nothing great ahead. Chris had a lot more to live for than me but he had serious addictions in the past and they say the desire for another high never goes away. I am intrigued with his friendship with Brad Pitt, they even dress alike. Brad always looked kind of grungy but you know that jacket with frayed cuffs was probably $5000 and I noticed that Chris Cornell had the same fashion sense, it's like they bought from the same designers (or maybe they borrowed each others clothes). It would be so hot if they were lovers but Brad must be devastated if they were.

I've checked a number of likely sources now and yeah - official word from police is that Cornell's death involved 'a device around his neck).

Heartbroken. Could have listened to that guy's voice forever. Great chops, too.

[quote]and now we're stuck with only Eddie Vedder.

He's spent so many years drunk he's basically half embalmed already, preserved for decades to come.

R89 I'm devastated enough as it is. I hope he didn't kill himself.

Man, Pitt even went to his daughter Toni Cornell's birthday party to hang with Chris (and this is an older photo). This is going to hit him like a ton of bricks....

Chris and his wife and kids at the "Into the Woods" premiere.

They are so young and he has sang several times with his daughter, Toni, onstage-- doing duets with her.

Why would he choose to do this (if it's true)? The kids are so young...

Wow, I really hope it's not true about his death being a suicide. So sad.

I thought of Brad when this news came in because his partner and friend Brad Grey also died recently. Two deaths so close together along with his own problem must be a gut punch. My favorite Soundgarden song is Slaves and Bulldozers what a sexy man and a vocal powerhouse

Who?

Was Brad Pitt friends with Roger Ailes, too?

This is his mother in law's Twitter account (below).

It's sad because there are so many personal pictures on here of Chris with his kids and family and Chris seems *so* involved with his children and took them everywhere (and also introduced them to every celeb he met, etc.)

He even wrote his mother-in-law a Mother's Day card just a few days ago :(

*Super* involved with his family and active with them on a regular basis. It would just seem too shocking if it was suicide; it doesn't make sense...

Chris's sweet card to his mother-in-law for Mother's Day just a few days ago...

As someone said on Twitter, Eddie Vedder is now the Betty White of grunge.

RIP

He's more the Olivia DeHaviland of grunge, I think.

Kurt Cobain, Scott Weiland now this....whos left???

Sadness

Yes poor Brad first Brad Grey now Chris.

If it's suicide, will fans roll their eyes and accuse him of continuing to ride Kurt's coattails and steal his ideas?

Maybe it was a Michael Hutchence situation...if that would be any better. If it was suicide it seems awfully out of the blue, but I guess he could have been living with demons that nobody else knew about.

A giant fuck you to all you assholes who think if something's not on twitter, tmz, or a blog that it can't be "real" news.

Has Courtney Loved chimed in yet????

[quote]Yes poor Brad first

Which one was "poor Brad"?

Euphoria Mourning.

I was thinking either Courtney or Madonna: one of them will make this all about herself.

"Chris considered me his closest friend and wants me to sing this song for you now...."

Probably both of them.

It's horribly unfair that Courtney Love is still breathing while poor Chris is gone. That cockroach will never die.

Remember when Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains & Soundgarden all exploded at the same time in the 90s and seemed to completely sweep away the Madonna pop of the time....good times.

People who are perplexed by suicide because he loved his family and had so much going for him don't understand Depression.

I don't know who this is...I'm old

How tragic that the only one to survive the grunge era is.....Courrney Love.

How is she still alive?

Chris Cornell was on CBS This Morning Saturday a few weeks ago.

Brad Grey only died 2 days ago. Hoping Brad Pitt has someone nearby to lean on, even if it's David Fincher!

I read this on another message board a few minutes ago. Obviously it could mean nothing or everything, but here it is: "My brother saw them at a festival near the Twin Cities over the weekend...he says he looked and sounded terrible."

Brad Pitt, [R112]. His close relationships are dropping like flies: his wife divorced (and called the FBI on) him and took the kids, he already looks emaciated, and two of his best long time friends, Brad Grey and Chris Cornell, have died "shocking and unexpected deaths" within days of each other...

He was very good looking. What did he think of The Gays? He looks like he used to beat us up.

I loved Chris Cornell. Great replacement for Zach when he hooked up with Rage Against The Machine to form Audioslave. My wiseass friend said that he knows why he committed suicide..." I'd have committed suicide if I had to sing Spoonman every night." What a cunt he is.

R121 here again, i just saw this quote on the same message board: "My friend was (at the Detroit show). Apparently he (Chris) said "people are going to wish tomorrow, that they were at this Detroit show tonight".

Performing Higher Truth.

Why are men like Cornell and Scott Weiland mourned as rock legends when they die of drug-related causes but women are dismissed as crack-addled whores when they succumb (i.e. Amy Winehouse)

Performing Black Hole Sun

Memories, light the corners of my mind....

Chris' cover of "Stay With Me" is a master class in singing. He was such a talented beautiful man. RIP

[quote]Why are men like Cornell and Scott Weiland mourned as rock legends when they die of drug-related causes but women are dismissed as crack-addled whores when they succumb (i.e. Amy Winehouse)

It's not known whether Cornell died because of drugs, first of all. Second of all, Amy is considered a legend by plenty of people and I don't know anyone who thought she was a whore. Everyone knows she was devoted to "Blake Incarcerated."

Now, Courtney Love would deserve that title, but unfortunately she's still with us.

Blind item about Chris

Wow ^ is this all true?

R132, who's the person who was at their wedding who later died?

What message board R125? LSA? ONTD?

DAMN YOU, 2017!

I like this:

R135, it's actually a closed private gossip group on Facebook. I can't remember how I ended up as a member there, but they don't accept new members now for some reason. I rarely read in there, but did today to see if anything was being mentioned about this.

Is this another Farrah/MIchael Jackson situation where the death of one completely overshadows the death of the other?

In the future, will history care more that Chris Cornell died in 5/17 or that Roger Ailes died on 5/17?

Brad Pitt is prob relapsing as we speak.

Stay strong, Brad. I hope he has a good sponsor.

How come his Wikipedia entry hasn't been updated yet? These are usually done lightning fast.

Damn! FIVE SECONDS LATER...

[quote]This article is currently experiencing high levels of activity because it is about a person who has recently died. Initial news reports, such as the circumstances of the person's death and surrounding events, may be unreliable, and the risk of misinformation is unusually high. The last updates to this article may not reflect the most current information.

Fuckin' shit @ R132.

Dear God, why did you have to kill such hot snatch??

I always coveted his lean rock-star torso.

Hot hot hot

I wonder who at his wedding died?

I wonder if he offed himself because he found out the truth about his shady in-laws to who he sent cards and love.

I know his first wife could feel happy, but even after all of the crap (or because of all of the crap) she feels sad...

Well, not to get too conspiracy-theorist, but after reading that BI, I wonder if he was really all alone before he died. Or is there going to be a sequel to "Soaked In Bleach"?

He was depressed, poor guy, Rest In Peace.

Yeah brad is definitely gonna relapse

No Rock-Star should ever get married and have kids and I doubt it was suicide if there was no letter left behind. He auto-erotically passed out after his choking hanging orgasm. There were probably hundreds of women in the audience who would have willingly blown him and swallowed, so why risk dying just to unwind?

Wondering right along with you both, R148 and R149.

MTV Classic just played this video. It features Chris being hanged and walking around with a noose around his neck.

Wimmens is de Devil

That blind doesn't fit Chris Cornell. The time line is all wrong.

"Right before the band hit it big, the rock star and his wife has a child." It then says, his big head after success led to the break up of the band and at the same time his marriage unravelled.

Soundgarden's biggest success was in 1994 with Superunknown, they split in 1997, Chris' first child was born in 2000, his first marriage ended in 2004.

Referring to the blind at R132.

First I was happy about Roger Aisles, then I had to feel sad about this...

that is the face of AIDS, man he was ugly too

Did he ever have a hit?

[quote]Stay strong, Brad. I hope he has a good sponsor.

I've seen sober people make it through unbelievable tragedies and relapse over mundane shit.

Hopefully he'll stick close to good people.

R159 it is the Aids troll. Wonder when " the closet kills" troll will show up.

A great, masculine rock voice amidst the sub-Vedder mumblers of the 90s.

Chris Cornell was a handsome devil too, with great hair.

Don't know anything about Vedder as a person. But I think he and his band are still great -- every year I go abroad to do humanitarian work and his duet with Chris is one of my theme songs. I watched Soundgarden explode and knew many tied to that scene just by accident -- this song makes me bittersweet. As a Gen X'er, it makes me a bit misty that a song like this became so huge. Rips my heart out actually when you listen to what the music industry cranks out now (yep, I'm old). If you love Chris's vocals, enjoy this song....RIP Chris, thank you for the great tunes.

r160 I don't know if I like his #79 solo hit "You Know My Name" or #96 "Black Rain" hit better.

And damn that poster that said he was ugly was right.

He was in a rock band. They had 3 platinum albums. Not everyone is a Top 40 pop artist.

I'm so saddened by this. I've loved him for over 20 years.

Brad has a Netflix project to promote these days. Hopefully he can bury himself in his work.

Though this song is about a woman, I always thought this song was sooooooooo sexy too.....fun time to be young and free

Big Dumb Sex song.......lololol

The only songs of his I've heard are "Billie Jean" and "Flutter Girl". I'll have to check out more of his catalogue.

Another fav

Chris and Brad's faces kinda have same nuances.

I think so too r173. Same bad skin, same fucking glasses.

Even I had more hits than he did

Black Hold Sun was probably their biggest mainstream hit it went to #9 according to Wikipedia

I've only heard Casino Royale song from his works. He looked like combination of Brad Pitt and Downey Jr

The initial results of his death are in. It seems he died from a bacterial infection caused by rinsing out his Zip-loc bags and reusing them.

It's amazing to me he had such a great body. It's amazing to think that someone that depressed and drinking so much had time to work out--that's not just rock star skinny: he clearly hit the gym quite a lot.

We send our condolences.....

My favorite song that he sang...Seasons. RIP and may you've found the peace that alluded you in life.

Marry me r180

The early 90's is dying, our childhood is dying.

He's a gonna jack it

I love that version r180

The gossip is officially confirmed, it was a suicide by hanging.

sad

One heterosexual less in the world... so sad!

Who said he was straight. My friend's monkey's uncle blew him in Seattle right before Spermman came out. He was gayer than Liberace was.

[quote]He was gayer than Liberace was.

Your friend's monkey's uncle or Cooper, R189?

I saw them live in '93.

I modeled my look in the '90s after his Lollapalooza look one year:

Cornell was interviewed on Howard Stern last year for the 20th anniversary of Superunknown.

He seemed in good spirits.

[quote] RIP and may you've found the peace that alluded you in life.

My heart goes out, and [italic]oh, dear.[/italic]

I hate Howard Stern he's an asshole and his interview with Pete Burns was horrific. I don't think I ever listen to any interview done by him.

* I don't think I ever listen to any interview done by Stern again.

They should embalm him and keep him in a glass case, Evita-style, at the R&R Hall of Fame.

That torso is too good to be lost to the sands of time.

Suicide at age 52. Rich celebrity with a family.

Maybe he had a terminal illness and/or chronic pain (Robin Williams).

His flannel was so blue that day

Brad Pitt and Chris Cornell were lovers at some point. Guaranteed.

@r130 -- he makes Bette Midler sound like Luciano Pavarotti. That was an ill-advised cover. He was good in his lane -- screaming rock and roll -- but he didn't have a cross-genre voice. He was certainly no Robert Plant.

RIP to a talented beautiful man. Another sad loss for those of us in the grunge generation.

I believe the blind item.

I'm sorry. I consider myself somewhat of a music connoisseur of all genres but even I barely know who the hell this guy was or any of his songs. And he looked kinda creepy if you ask me.

Soundgarden were one of the biggest grunge bands of the '90s, R204. I'm going to assume you are very young.

If you are a "music connoisseur of all genres," and you don't know who the hell Chris Cornell is, you're deluding yourself.

Oops, I forgot this is DL. I assume R204 is very, very old.

[quote] I consider myself somewhat of a music connoisseur of all genres

Snort.

If you haven't heard of Soundgarden you are pretty fuckin clueless. This isn't some obscure group.

He had a spectacular, sexy voice and was hot as fuck. His Bond theme song is one of the best, right up there with Shirley Bassey but in a completely different way.

Again, I believe the blind item. Even if the dates are wrong the story is true.

I was literally shocked when I heard this news, I've been a Soundgarden, and Chris fan, for many years. He was gorgeous, I loved when he had very long hair. Not many could pull off that look, but Chris was the ultimate rock star.

Once a week, I usually listen to my two fave Soundgarden songs, "Fell On Black Days" and "The Day I Tried to Live". For downbeat songs, I've always found them uplifting. These songs always give me a positive vibe. I will surely miss this amazing man!

I saw Chris a few weeks ago on Fallon or Seth Meyers show, he did look much thinner. Could it be he had undiagnosed cancer? A relative died very quickly from a cancer which had been diagnosed in it's late stages.

Chris had a terrible divorce from his first wife. She was Soundgarden's manager and supposedly ripped the band off for millions.

His second, younger wife, was an American of Greek descent, she was based in Paris, where they had second home. IIRC, the second wife was some sort of fashion publicist. She didn't seem like Chris's type at all. When I first saw them together, I thought it was a random woman Chris was out with for the evening. Nevertheless, they ended up having a good marriage.

Death by autoerotic asphyxiation?

That is what I thought 212.

To lose two fucking hotties in the same day - Chris and Ailes.

So sad. The world is a little less beautiful today.

R183 how does it make you feel? I'm totally at peace with it, and YET, there's no denying what you're saying. It really has begun.....we had a great run though. :-)

A few months ago I saw a feature on him on TV. He was an investor (owner?) of a few restaurants and was thinking of transitioning from the music biz to the food biz full time.

Anybody else see this or know if his interest and investments in restaurants? I think they're in Europe IIRC.

R216 there was some blind item about his present wife using his money to invest in her parent's business, and it not going so well.

TMZ is reporting Chris's death as a suicide. They played a clip from his Detroit show last night, he appeared to be in great spirits.

Chris second wife wasn't very attractive, she didn't have a cool rocker chick look at all. From that Blind Item, she seemed like a typical run-of-the-mill golddigger. Chris wasn't exactly well educated, unfortunately, I can see him falling for such a user type. Now she gets most of his money, sad. Hope he left some cash to his kid from his first marriage.

I also read Chris owned some restaurants in Paris! I figured the gold digger fug wife stopped working once she got her claws into him. Wifey Two was Paris based for years. Wonder where they met.

How stupid are these rich and hot men?! Chris could have done better.

Well, I think the 2nd wife is Greek and according to his wiki, he converted to Greek Orthodox like his wife. And Greece is in the shit hole economically speaking so if that is where the restos are then pretty sure it's doomed.

yes, some of these men are so stupid, they just want someone to "organize" their lives for them basically.

Will Paul Anka be performing at the funeral? Does he need a co-star? I'm still feeling a bit [italic]déprimé[/italic] and will gladly lend [italic]mes larmes[/italic].

Was he Poz? he was addicted to drugs, i wonder if he ever did herion and injected etc. He looked sick to be honest. so thin.

I always thought Wifey Two was American of Greek descent. I do know she was a fashion publicist based in Paris when she met Chris, I have no idea where they met. Maybe while Chris was on tour there years ago?

Whatever she was, she was a dog, not at all Chris' physical equal. Chris was sexy and gorgeous. Like so many other good looking men, he could have had low self esteem. Chris certainly didn't marry Wife Two for her money!

What was in his refrigerator?

what was on his IPOD?

The blind at [R132] is super interesting and the commenters below the blind seem to agree that it's about Chris and his current wife and family.

Also: the charity he was famously fundraising for with Pitt in January in Malibu was specifically a children's charity--like the blind says he was involved in children's charities (and those around him thought he was hypocritical).

The mother-in-law's Twitter account at [R102] and [R103] is interesting in that she mentions Cornell and his kids and band *constantly*--even frequently interacting with Cornell fans over Twitter, retweeting stories about him, sharing personal pics of him and the kids all the time, and openly encouraging fans of Chris to interact with her.

I thought this was sweet at first---that they were just a super tight/close and supportive family--but after reading the blind upthread, I'm now thinking that the part about the wife's family wanting her to be with him for the fame and--especially--money they could all get out of it could very likely be true.

(Especially if they really encouraged his estrangement from his first daughter with his first wife like the blind says).

She doesn't exactly act like a typical mother-in-law with all the promotion and self-promotion. It's interesting; and I came across that Twitter account before I saw the blind here....

Sounds like autoerotic asphyxiation

The blind also said that the MIL was like a pre-Kris Jenner Kris Jenner in that she raised her daughter from a very young age to hook someone rich and famous and marry them--that was the life's goal.

The picture below was posted by the MIL about a week ago (of her with the future Mrs. Cornell #2) and I can kind of feel the super aspirational/ambitious Kris Jenner vibes here...

(Sad too if the new wife and her family really were instrumental in helping break up his first wife and family).

Gold digger breaks up rich man's relationship and gets impregnated by him = tale older than time itself

True, [R229].

The daughter, Lillian, from his first marriage (the ignored child from the blind) is only 17 🙁

Brad was "addicted" to Chris!

"I'm a big Chris Cornell addict, anything he does," Pitt told Cinema Confidential in 2004, when asked about his favorite music."

I believe the blind item. When I saw a pic of the second wife, I was really surprised-- she looks like Jersey trash.

Also, this sounds more like autoerotic asphyxiation than suicide.

YES, R232, that's what Wife Two looks like, an interchangeable Real Housewife from Joisey. What a face! Was she much younger than Chris, she looked older.

Chris might have been gorgeous and talented, but he seemed like a dumb man. His background was weird. Think he was raised by his single mom and she was an astrologer.

Ugh, that's awful [R232]! If true, would it ever come out??

(How does someone that tall hang themselves in a bathroom? It is certainly odd....)

Newspapers noted that Pitt has made no public statement yet (unlike so many other celebs have already done).

They're also saying that he knew Chris "for decades" and that he frequently attended his shows...

Brad was 31 when Soundgarden has its biggest success (Black Hole Sun). It just seems a tad old since most become "addicted" to a rock band in their teens and early 20s.

However, Brad was 21 the year the band formed so maybe he was a lifer from Day One.

Chris was a unique looking guy; dark olive skin and dark hair and light beautiful eyes.

R234, one can hang themself while sitting on the floor. The image of jumping off a stool is mostly for TV and movies.

Wonder if he ever played with guys.

Wow, second wife looks surprisingly skanky--especially right when they first got together....😬

[quote]Gold digger breaks up rich man's relationship and gets impregnated by him = tale older than time itself

So true. Reminds me of my father's fourth wife, a real nickel-plated bitch.

Looks like he converted to Greek Orthodox for her--like in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding".

(Here he is getting the kids baptized Greek style).

I doubt it's auto-erotic asphyxiation. The local news outlets were on it quickly, and their LEO sources would not tell media it was suicide if there was doubt. The police spokesman wouldn't say it was being investigated as suicide if it was auto-erotic asphyxiation. There would be clear evidence of it, and they would say something generic like "found in the bathroom, cause of death under investigation".

OMG He looks like Jesus!

Brad and Chris at the American Doll Store to celebrate Chris's daughter's birthday (the one from the second marriage obviously)

Michael Hutchence died from autoerotic asphyxiiation. The coroner ruled it a suicide. The FAMILY said it was autoerotic asphyxiation. Must've been Catholic.

r246 that was controversial and still is. There's the religion angle, the general denial, and also the insurance money.

r243 you don't know that.

r242 the wife looks just like Melissa from the Jersey Housewives. Wow

if you're that handsome and that rich and in the public eye all the time, wouldn't it make sense to have a chemical peel so you could have smoother skin?

[quote] Brad and Chris at the American Doll Store to celebrate Chris's daughter's birthday (the one from the second marriage obviously)

Which ones do you think Brad and Chris bought for themselves?

Brad: Z Yang (exotic and a filmmaker, like Angie)

Chris: Felicity

r250 he probably wasn't as rich as people think. If the gossip item has some truth to it, he could even have been wiped out. All the old bands tour for the money. All or one of their band members get in financial trouble (or they didn't have a lot to start with) and they're back on the road.

Chris's second wife and Brad's second wife (Jolie) don't have totally dissimilar vibes oddly enough.... (though Jolie was actually attractive at one point and is still more than the Greek RHONJ type Cornell married.)

They're both controlling, mostly wear black (though not in that pic obviously), parade the kids everywhere, started fooling around during the first marriage, seem humorless, and have chronic bitch face.

⏫⏫ She must have known somehow that Chris was already bad off if she had the manager frantically checking on him in his hotel room right after the concert like the reports have said because she was "worried"....

R30 was quite prescient.

Those talking about autoerotic asphyxiation have obviously never listened to a Soundgarden lyric, or watched early interviews. Chris always seemed to be dealing with depression, which is why he was probably an alcoholic at 13 and why drugs plagued his life. That things looked good on the outside means nothing, as one poster said upthread, that's not how depression works. I know that blind is about Cornell and his wife/manager, Susan Silver, without a doubt. I followed the news when he was taking her to court. I got a little disillusioned with him around that time - no way was Silver ripping him off. I remember seeing the two of them together at an event around '94 or so and they seemed like they were really committed to each other. I think she was about a decade older than him, however, so I was sort of not surprised when he dumped her for a younger woman, even after she'd gone to the trouble of pumping out a kid for him at 40.

I remember an old RS interview with Brad Pitt in the 90s after Superunknown was out and Pitt claiming they were the best band in the world. He'd been a longtime fan, apparently, but how many of us get to befriend the musicians we adore and become their besties?

I just realized that a post I made earlier said I saw him tour for Euphoria Morning at The Moore, when it was in fact The Paramount. His acoustic version of 'Seasons' from the Singles soundtrack is just stunning and has always been one of my favorites.

MTV Classic has been playing Soundgarden and other Cornell videos all day. They did not recognize George Michael in a similar way the day after GM died. Interesting.

CHris looked terrible in that picture with brad Pitt, surely he was ill... maybe??

I last saw him in Webster hall in 2014, he was awesome!!! Gonna miss him sooooo much.

Any pic of the first wife? Maybe he has a type, skanky type, you never know, to each his own, but I agree, the 2nd wife looks like the gold digger type

There are two sides to every story but he seemed like a difficult and not very bright man. His first wife is admired by many in Seattle but how do they know the ins and outs of a private relationship? Didn't he have to sue her to get his guitars back? What's that all about? She could not have been surprised that Cornell cheated on her while they were married. It was also reported before Soundgarden's reunion that Matt Cameron had serious issues with Cornell. I think many expected Ben Shepherd to croak before Cornell.

R253, how do you know she's controlling?? If she was she would be on tour with him, "controlling" him all the way, you are clueless.

Seriously, he looks like hell in all the pics, esp the on in the toy store, maybe they are drug buddies, he looked like he's on something in that pic!

Maybe they ruled out autoerotic asphyxiation coz he was dressed and pants zipped.

Did he leave a note?

Susan Silver. The First Wife.

r265 that's what I meant by 'no evidence' upthread. The Wayne County ME's Office has officially released cause of death as suicide by hanging.

Thanks r267 for the picture.

Could he have killed himself knowing that sales would go through the roof after? Was he having money problems??

People who love alcohol - LOVE alcohol! It makes them feel better.

When they can't control their actions sufficiently, they are told they have to stop drinking completely. Thus, they are not happy.

THAT is why he killed himself: he was not allowed to drink, especially after his big "SOBRIETY ROCKS!" mantra that he preached about. It's better to kill yourself than to have the DL and the rest of the world ridicule you (like Ben Affleck and others) if you are "caught" drinking.

But not drinking, he was MISERABLE.

And that is why he killed himself.

r256 his wife is saying he was showed no signs of suicide before. The media is reporting he was found with something around his neck. By others accounts, things were going well for Chris. And he left no note. Which a lot of people who commit suicide do, but Chris had young children and the way he talked about life in his later years gives you the sense that he wouldn't leave his family hanging (I know bad choice of words) like that, by not leaving a note.

All these things are making people wonder...

Susan Silver was definitely a cool chick, more suited to someone like Chris than that fug fake social climbing Greek skank. Susan adored the music she championed, the Greek whore probably tolerated Chris's music. She was in it for the cash and reflected fame.

Chris's story is extremely sad, all around.

Susan with some members of Alice In Chains. btw, Jerry Cantrell from AIC has a huge cock.

I say this as a Chris Cornell fan, can we stop infantilising him?

If he cheated on his first wife, that is on him, not the person he cheated with. He was the one in a relationship, he wasn't some innocent party.

If it is determined (as it looks it will) that he killed himself, that is on him. Not on anyone else for not being there and babysitting him.

He was an adult man and his decisions were his. He was not an innocent man-child who was a bystander in his own life.

r273 who's infantilising him? I haven't read any posts that say he wasn't responsible for his decisions.

I'm just sad that he left no nudes, Brad gave us nudes at the height of his beauty.

R274 Are you serious? Half this thread is about the new homewrecking wife who lead him away from his marriage and influenced him to be a prick.

There's been a number of posters question why his wife wasn't with him on tour if she was concerned.

[quote]his present wife using his money to invest in her parent's business,

Diner?

Preach, R275. I can't recall not lusting for him - even now.

I think this is so sad for us 80s-90s kids because so many of the big names from back then died young, starting with Cobain, but there was Chris Cornell aging with us.

His death feels like an end to an era.

R273, what if he was a man who couldn't control his sexual impulses? If he was easily led astray by strange pussy while on the road? As I posted upthread, Chris was not well educated. He also suffered from depression most of his life. I can see these types of men being led astray by women, drugs and alcohol. Chris attended a Catholic elementary school, then high school, which he quit.

Chris was depressed for a very long time: "Cornell spent a two-year period between the ages of nine and eleven solidly listening to The Beatles after finding a large collection of Beatles records abandoned in the basement of a neighbor's house. Cornell was a loner; however, he was able to deal with his anxiety around other people through rock music. During his teenage years, Chris spiraled into severe depression, dropped out of school and almost never left the house during his state of depression. Before becoming a successful musician, he worked at a seafood wholesaler and was a sous-chef at a restaurant named Ray's Boathouse."

Lots of musicians cheat or their wives, Led Zeppelin comes to mind, yet very few leave their wives for a groupie or an on-the-road hookup. Wonder what the second wife had, because it sure was not looks. No gag reflex?

The Greek wife IS a skank and her fame whore family should be ashamed of themselves. I'm sure when she met Chris, she had no idea who the fuck Soundgarden were. That is always the case in situations like this. btw, I used to work in the music biz.

For once, DL-ers did not exaggerate when they called his second wife ugly.

r274 I counted two posts (probably from the same person) who said the second wife should've been with him.

Saw him with Soundgarden years ago, and recently in one of his solo acoustic shows. Great then.

The collected footage from last night's Detroit show displays a not-so-good performance. He sounds raspy and off-key; very 'Norman Maine' end-stage...

[quote]Any pic of the first wife? Maybe he has a type, skanky type, you never know, to each his own, but I agree, the 2nd wife looks like the gold digger type

Not sure what a "gold digger type" looks like, but both of his wives looked a lot like him, although the second wife looked more like him than the first.

He could not write a song like Kurt. He lived in Kurt's and I guess Eddie's shadow (though SG was so much better than Pearl Jam) But he he had pipes for days. I loved I Fell On Black Days.

He was such a beauty back in his younger days.

Thought he got a bit too thin in recent years, but still good looking.

"Say Hello to Heaven" and "Hunger Strike" are two of my faves. I've listened to the later for hours on end.

I never thought of Soundgarden as "grunge," just rock. The Seattle connection's really the only tie-in.

I don't get why people are saying Brad Pitt was too old to be a fan. I was one and I'm 58.

The early nineties were very energetic, even cataclysmic. The Seattle scene was probably the biggest part of that. Never having "outgrown" my love of rock & roll, I responded to that movement. I've never looked the part of a rocker, so ageing wasn't a problem for me, I just enjoyed these bands privately, as a lot people, having passed the Big Three Zero, will do.

Anyway, what a waste. And to the people calling Chris dumb, life-long depressives are seldom dumb-far from it. There's also no use in speculating as to why he killed himself, it could have been anything. But a relapse could have preceded it, it's happened to two people in my small circle.

BTW, has anyone posted this? Fitting, to say the least.

So young.

It wasn't heroin but crack. No cure for crack.

I saw a pic of Chris on instagram with short hair and he looked so much like brad Pitt! I can't post a link as I'm on the mobile

Has brad Pitt released a statement? Damn, someone check on him, he might be next

Physically, he was my ideal. The tanned skin, dark hair and light eyes. So beautiful. And the immense talent.

He didn't have light eyes. Brown as excrement.

He must have been in so much pain!!

First of all, you psychotic fool @R294, you're excrement. There's nothing wrong with brown eyes or any color eyes, unless you're a fucking weirdo who must be a total fucking loser.

Second, his eyes were green, dumbass.

[quote]I never thought of Soundgarden as "grunge," just rock. The Seattle connection's really the only tie-in.

They got their start on Sub Pop, like Mudhoney and Nirvana, but I think they always had more mainstream ambitions. Soundgarden were sort of the Led Zep of that era.

I confess to liking the Paul Anka cover of Black Hole Sun, and I borderline love the Steve & Edie one, but the very best is Lea Delaria's.

R296 fell for it. Hook line and sinker.TY.

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R299, if it were 10 years ago, I wouldn't have, but with the influx of Stormfront psychos of the Spence variety, this place is fucked up and you know it.

[quote]To lose two people he's been close to for decades in a shocking way within two to three days has got to be doing a number on him.

You mean Ailes, too?

R301 I know and I'm sorry. My eyes are so dark, no discernable pupil. Makes people uncomfortableas they can't gage.

I love your shitty eyes, hon.

LOL, [R302]! Maybe Ailes and Pitt were secretly friends, who knows? ;)

No, I meant his former Plan B business partner and talent manager (and the head of Paramount until February), Brad Grey.

He died of cancer at his Holmby Hills house about 2 days ago and nobody in Hollywood--even the trades--knew he was even sick.

They were actually waiting for word of his next career move since he was forced out at Paramount in Feb.

The whole town was shocked that he died (and he was only 59).

I know, R305. just making a joke.

I knew Grey had died, I just never realized he was close to Pitt. I thought Grey was one of those guys actors *had* to be cordial with for business purposes. I just assumed he was like a Weinstein-type where you had to pretend you like him.

Doesn't Pence have brown eyes? Not as dark as Ivanka's, but surely not hazel.

He has his "mother's" eyes

I think it *was* that way with Grey for most people in Hollywood, [R306], but I remember reading frequently over the years that Pitt and Grey were close personal friends regardless of where one or the other was working at the moment.

Pitt has sure been good at cultivating long term business relationships and making friends in high places for a "pretty boy" actor, I'll give him that...

He definitely had some users in his life.

Here is a story I never saw before from 2010 where it says that he threatened to sue because someone was selling his wedding video (with the Greek wife) on Craigslist.

Even weirder, it says his wife's best friend at the time of the wedding and *Maid of Honor* was Brittany Murphy (of all people)--who died under such odd circumstances--and was also featured in the wedding video...

R310 Interesting. The blind item at R132 refers to a "member of the wedding party" who later died under mysterious circumstances.

What a beautiful man. What a shame.

Oh, [R311], that's interesting! I read the whole blind but was trying to connect the "suspicious death" of the friend to the *music world* --and couldn't think of who it could be.

You're right, it could have been Murphy!

The second wife sounds like a gold digger (I love R241's term, a nickel-plated bitch). But Cornell seems like a strange target for a gold digger, or maybe all men with a certain level of fame/wealth/power have women circling them, looking for a pay day.

Wouldn't a gold-digger be more someone who would go after a Roger Ailes, Harvey Weinstein or Bill O' Reilly-type? You know, unattractive or really, really old.

Chris Cornell was actually fucking hot. Who wouldn't want him even if he were poor?

R314, of course someone like Chris would be a perfect target for a golddigger. Chris was still fairly young when he met Miss Greece, she easily talked him into having more kids, he was gorgeous, famous and wealthy.

Why would she pick an old fat smelly geezer when she could fuck a younger very hot man? If Miss Greece married an old coot like Ailes or that other pig, Weinstein, she'd still have to fuck him. Speaking of, I can't get my mind around Weinstein marrying that gorgeous British fashion designer Georgina Chapman, does she vomit after fucking that slob? Think she has kids with him. I get nauseous even looking at Weinstein's rat face, I can't imagine what his body looks like naked.

Was the Greek local to Seattle? She might have been a minor league goldigger not able to work big towns like LA or NYC.

Just googled his wife. I think she looks fine. More than that, she obviously looks after herself, and straight men love well groomed women like her. Their children are beautiful. Sad for all of them. Also it's strange to accuse her of all sort of thing just because some sort of blind item that doesn't fit Cornell's life at all. Timeline is ridiculously wrong.

I'm starting to believe the blind item

I haven't read through this whole thread, but I know he had a really shitty upbringing, so that undoubtedly contributed to his depression. I wouldn't blame the wife.

Hmm haven't heard about this guy or soundgarden in 20 years but apparently everyone was jacking off to pics of him every night hmm interesting.

I think the family ARE Catholic, but they also believe Bob Geldof knows exactly what Hutchence's state of mind was as they had been on the phone shortly before whatever happened happened.

Geldof of course has always claimed to have no idea.

He was hot, he had a great voice, and he was rich. Yet, he killed himself. Sad. Is there hope for us little folk?

Oh boy - posts coming in too quickly. ^ was for the poster referring to Michael Hutchence - disappeared way upthread now.

R316 why put Weinstein & Ailes together?? One produced some really cool movies- the other ruined AMERICA!

[R257] Think George burned a lot of his ties to the US music industry - and they have absolutely held grudges - even to this day. Pathetic, really, and more than a bit childish.

"Say Hello 2 Heaven" was one of two songs, the other being "Reach Down", to be written by vocalist Chris Cornell when he was on tour with Soundgarden in Europe prior to approaching former Mother Love Bone members Jeff Ament and Stone Gossard to record the songs.[1] The recordings were originally planned to be released merely as a single before Temple of the Dog formed and decided to write more music. Cornell stated:

Right after Andy died, we [Soundgarden] went to Europe, and it was horrible, because I couldn't talk about it, and there was no one who had loved him around. I wrote two songs, "Reach Down" and "Say Hello 2 Heaven". That was pretty much how I dealt with it. When we came back, I recorded them right away. They seemed different from what Soundgarden naturally does, and they seemed to fit together. They seemed like music he would like. I got the idea to release them as a single, and to get at least Stone and Jeff, or all of Love Bone, to play on it. I had the idea for a couple days, then, with an artist's lack of self-confidence, I decided it was a stupid idea. Somehow those guys heard the tape, and they were really, really excited. Stone and Jeff and our drummer, Matt, had been working on a demo for what ended up being Pearl Jam, so we had the idea that we would make an EP or a record, and maybe even do some of Andy's solo songs.

R178 you may be on to something

If he was clean and sober, I'm Marie of Rumania. The slew of recent photos out there are repellent and disturbing.

I remember seeing him in concert when I was 17 yoa and thinking that he was one of the hottest guys on the planet. It was the very early 90's and I was closeted then. The man was like a sex god on stage wearing shorts and combat boots and nothing else. I had some sort of "backstage pass" that my friends had come across somewhere so we were able to "meet" the band before their set. They didn't interact with anyone, even the hot girls from my memory. Not that anyone was rude at all - just getting amped-up to perform. I vividly remember him bending over naked to change his shorts (I guess that the one pair he was wearing that looked identical to the other was not up to snuff). You could smell him across the room - a sweet, sweaty, manly musk due to his heavy perspiration. He was swigging a bottle of whiskey (I think - I was not that up on liquor back then). Whatever his real height, he looked to be 6'3" and bulging muscles everywhere you looked. The whole band (and other band members from other groups) was fucked up and were snorting something (I thought coke at the time) in one of the closets. I certainly did not see any needles around. Interesting night. Gorgeous man. RIP.

R325, I'm sure another Gretchen would disagree with on that one.

OMG stop saying he was the hottest man who ever lived. He was ok looking but damn some of y'all need to clam down.

R332, you have to factor in his talent which made him even hotter.

r333 Sure, same thing with Michael Hutchence, never as hot as people said but they added points for being the lead singer of a band. In Hutchence case he got bonus points for being a good performer on stage.

[quote] And he left no note. Which a lot of people who commit suicide do,

No, they don't. The majority don't.

[quote]He was ok looking but damn some of y'all need to clam down.

That's what I always say! CLAM DOWN!

It sounds like the "suicide note" he left behind were the lyrics to the Led Zeppelin song he sang at the end of the show.

[quote] He had a spectacular, sexy voice and was hot as fuck. His Bond theme song is one of the best, right up there with Shirley Bassey but in a completely different way.

"You Know My Name" doesn't even rate among fans of Bond themes. It's on the same tier as Madonna's 'Die Another Day.' Another example of an artist attempting a Bond theme in the style of music for which they are best known instead of making a Bond theme.

I don't mean to speak ill of the dead but let's not falsely aggrandize him. I am sure his musical legacy is meaningful to his fans.

He sounds like shit here, something was definitely going on in his head, probably drugs.

r332 that's the nostalgia talking I think.

I'm old enough to remember their come up, although I heard them long before I saw them. This was pre-internet, so hot entertainers meant more then, especially to young gay men. There really wasn't anyone around with his looks and charisma either.

If you think about the grunge genre, it's amazing that any of these guys came out of the 90s. They were just one heroin-shot/bullet-to-the-head away from death. They wrote hit songs about it. They were pre-EMO. The real deal.

What I find really amazing is none of you have noticed how different Chris Cornell looks.....in the eyes. He got crazy eyes the last couple of years. I know a lot of you will curse me out and tell me "he was still beautiful".....that isn't my point. His eyes have an uncomfortable intensity to them. I'm sorry to hear he suffered from depression. I know many people who suffer from it.

R342: Well, he wasn't in a drug/alcohol haze and the cameras are much higher def than they were in the early 90s. I know what you mean but I put it down to that and perhaps age. A lot of the rocker or rocker-adjacent guys get almost an acid vagrant look as they get older. It's got to show somewhere. Even Brad Pitt looks vulnerable to it lately with the weight loss and the tension.

I have to read through more of the thread, but was he on meds for his depression? Something about it isn't right. I'm not entirely convinced it was suicide yet.

R340 - that is a great point. I think that everyone connects with music very strongly in their late teen to very early twenties. Yes, you can be passionate at other times as well, but this age group seems to be the sweet spot for most. The internet was barely in existence until the late 90's - so outside of magazines, MTV and concerts, you really never were given the opportunity to see these guys at all. Kurt Cobain and Eddie Vedder were also beautiful men, but Adonis Chris just emitted raw, manly HEAT in way that I had never seen. His look was in keeping with the times - long, curly locks and boots and whatnot. But he sweated sex from his pores in a way that no one did in that era. Let's face it, he also kept his looks until death.

r343 My only question would be was he under the influence of something that made him delusional/out of his mind before he succeeded in hanging himself. I was a bit surprised they released the cause of death so quickly without a toxicology report, although I believe it was suicide.

I agree with other posters here who thought he relapsed. I think it was drugs, because if he was drinking, someone would've probably posted on SM about serving him or seeing him drunk before he died.

I'm really, really upset about his band and friends/colleagues in the industry. They often know more than the families about someone's mental state in a situation like this. It's not unheard of to effectively have a suicide watch for a troubled bandmate. I know he could be a dick, and they were together for money, but it bothers me it seems no one saw it coming. Maybe we'll hear more in the next few days.

(Not that I think it was their responsibility, but it's just sad as they probably had the best chance of preventing it.)

I know I shouldn't, but I do wonder: Didn't he think at all about his kids?

Interesting that the police were quoted as saying he had a "device" around his neck when found. That does sound David Carradine-eque.

Why do people assume killing yourself by hanging automatically means autoerotic asphyxiation?

A TV performance a few weeks ago. He sounds great but does not look good. His eyes were scary.

Why am I seeing news channels quoting Elton's response to this? Since when were Elton and Chris buddies?

Surely Elton is not the only musician left on planet earth is he? Is he???

r348 it's a lot of little things that have come out that are making people wonder...

"device" around neck

Wife said he showed no signs of suicide

No suicide note when he has young children and a wife

He was found on floor

r351 Do you know many people who commit suicide don't leave notes and also they show no signs they're about to commit suicide

I always wanted to fuck him. He was so hot. He was the hottest rock musician.

Maybe he was on an Rx med that 'causes suicidal thought.' Even something like ambien can make you crazy if you aren't sleeping well on tour and then jacking yourself up with something to go onstage with no sleep.

I once found myself under a desk whimpering and thought I had lost it before I realized 'hey, wait. I'm on drugs even if they are Rx.' I stopped the ambien and everything was fine. Stressed and tired, but much better than that.

r352 probably a lot. But another thing that makes me wonder, is the way Chris spoke about life and the his struggles, he seemed thoughtful and empathic--not the kind of guy that would leave his family with no sense of closure.

But you initially said, why is it when people hear "suicide by hanging they automatically think autoerotic asphyxiation"

I'm giving you reasons why people think it was unintentional and it wasn't an automatic reaction to suicide by hanging.

That whole Seattle thing seemed so epic from the outside, but those people started dying immediately – first to go was Andrew Wood. And even if they didn’t die, the bands became compromised, like Pearl Jam. We liked them, but many seemed like they did not like themselves... And over the years they kept ODing or suiciding and were not so epic as we thought, just sad and dying from the start.

He just seemed to be at the time of life where he had come through his struggles and yet was not old enough to be ill. And after a show with another coming?

'Device' seems an odd way of putting it. I get an image of bondage gone wrong or a jack kervorkian situation. They could have said belt or rope - but they conspicuously didn't.

Chris' wife isn't very attractive, she's pretty rough looking for a woman who is about 10+ years younger than Chris was. The kids are very cute, they mostly look like Chris. The wife has bad skin and scary eyes. The person who said she takes care of herself needs eyeglasses. Take away her makeup and I can imagine what that face looks like.

I knew it, Chris met Vicky Karayiannis while on tour with Audioslave in France. I figured as much, he met her while on the road. Vicky was a Paris-based American fashion publicist. I knew she wasn't from Greece. American Greeks are a ot more aggressive and pushy than Greeks from Greece.

I think maybe drugs are involved, they said he was fully clothed, no note yet they refuse to say whether drugs were found in the room which makes me think he drugs are involved.

Sometimes rope isn't available and a 'device' will have to do.

[quote]I doubt it's auto-erotic asphyxiation.

Depends. Was he naked?

He sure was a yummy man in his day:

no r361

R358: His first wife wasn't a supermodel either. I'm being sentimental of course, but that is part of what made him 'Chris' - or Kurt 'Kurt' and a cut above the normal rock star. I don't necessarily think it means she was bad for him. Part of what makes me sad is losing one of the last remnants of that quality in a Whores of IG Trump Kardashian world.

He all looked decent in our 20's, well most of us.

Medical examiners and law enforcement agencies see AEA cases enough that they don't automatically come out and call something a probable suicide, then officially release the cause of death as suicide if there's any chance it was an accident. The ME's office in particular would not have said suicide; it's a different cause of death, and they could be liable for checking the wrong box.

I think people are in denial for nostalgic reasons, or because there's not the level of definitive detail, like with Robin Williams' death, that removed all doubt.

A guy just can't commit a regular old fashioned hanging suicide without being called a disgusting sex pervert these days

An approximation of what went on:

I am supportive of a right to suicide. Young kids make a difference, but in general I think it is the person's call. And yet, this doesn't feel right somehow. It could be that I was unusually happy before I heard the news and so there was a disconnect, but I don't think it is nostalgia.

Yep. He had lots of money, talent, good looks, kids, a wife, celebrity friends, critical acclaim (sort of) - a very comfortable life. I really feel for him if he decided to end it. We should assume that this was not the case. If it was, I really hope that he is at peace now.

Ugh! He needs a bath.

[Quote]The Illuminati got to another one. Droppin like flies

Yup, notice he died in a hotel by hanging? - neat and tidy, no witnesses. He and the wife had a foundation that helped exploited and trafficked children. They were about to open a chapter in Greece in a few months. Reason why he was so passionate about helping children is because he knew about the awful truth about the entertainment industry (see Corey Feldman & Elijah Wood). He wanted to stop the perpetrators, but realized too late what he was up against. The depression and self-medicating were his way of dealing and now we can see the perfect cover.

R364, his first wife wasn't a supermodel, but she was from Chris' world. She was a rock band manager, they obviously connected on that level. The second wife has golddigger written all over her.

As I posted upthread, the second wife likely had no clue about Chris' band Soundgarden, let alone listened to his music, she probably likes Top 40 crap and dance music!

^^^ Can't dance!

R373

I know nothing about her. How do you know what kind of music she likes? Because she doesn't look like grunge fan? And of she didn't know his music - doesn't mean she was a bad wife. Maybe she loved him as a person, not rock idol. And I think he and his first wife had some serious financial problems exactly because she was his manager. I mean, I know nothing about her and don't really care, but it's strange that some people talk all this crap about her.

His first wife, Susan Silver, was way better-looking than the second (who is skanky). Hell, Susan Silver's cute! Attractive in any setting and compared to anyone. How he could ever leave that woman (what a beautiful smile) is beyond me. I hope she's well, shitty that they ruined her reputation + dragged her to court. Money and fame truly corrupt those who are too weak to resist.

Susan is pretty. Greek Jersey trash is not pretty at ALL.

Who gives a fuck about his wives? Why are we even discussing it?

Easy google search about his first wife.

R364 and R375 are different posters.

r378 go back to L-chat

R381

Go back to your first wife club, frau.

r382 you're the frau getting her feelings hurt panties because we're being judgmental about Cornell's wives and how they look. Too close to home? Like I said before, go back to L-chat where you can celebrate these women.

The daily mail reported that he was dead 60 min after leaving the show. His wife must have known he was not well, otherwise why have someone check on him so soon?

That's shocking and awful if true, [R384].

Sounds very premeditated, like he was determined not to be stopped (if the timeline is true).

I *really* do hope that they find out *why* he was in such a determined suicidal state (whether it was depression/mental illness, physical illness, prescription drugs for depression, illicit drugs, or perhaps a combination of these things.)

It sounds like he was on a mission to kill himself that started before the last concert he performed at. I hope they find out why.

Such a sad story...

If you know someone is not coping, how's about not leaving them alone? I get that the wife had the kids to look after, but wouldn't you have a word with management or something? Or actually, dump the kids with that *luvly* mother-in-law and go mind the guy yourself.

Suicide or not (and the official report says not), enough was made of why George Michael was left alone last Christmas with his history of mental and physical health problems. So why are we not asking the same here?

How dumb and shallow you must be to be judgemental about wives looks in the thread about suicide? Seriously, who cares? People here talk about him, his music, and you with your screams about which wife is better looking. What a moron.

R386

George Michael killed himself?

Stop judging everyone, [R387], and leave a *gossip* thread if you don't like it. We're here to gossip and bitch....about everything!

If you want hard "respectful" news, go to CNN....

I was one of the first five posters Thursday morning, and then my laptop went down from that virus which is effecting MS PCs.

I finally got Windows reinstalled and began to catch up on this thread which has reached nearly 400 replies. I only made it to the early 100s, but I read somethings which I feel I need to address asap. Susan Silver is NOT any sort of a shrew, she most certainly did not rip off the band, and frankly without her guidance Chris might have gone the route of the lead singer of Mother Love Bone and OD'ed before his band officially "made it." She is a lovely woman, not a beauty but not a dog either, and she is the antithesis of what his current wife seems to be. Of course I don't know his current wife, but I do know Susan, and I want all of CC's fans here to know that she will be grieving his death as much as anyone(including the current missus.) Way back in the days of "Singles," people would say, "why would Chris choose such a plain chick when he could pull anyone he wants?" And that wasn't easy for her to deal with. I'll say this, he CHOSE her because she was good for him. And I will bet anything I own that if he had stayed with her he would be alive today. She never mismanaged his money, and when he needed help with his boatload of issues which kept him in a constant state of depression, she saw to it that he received help. My best guess is that wife#2 was driving the bus and wanted a glitzy celebrity style life, and that was not making him happy. He may have realized that he fucked over the one person who truly understood him, and there was nothing he could do to change that. And at age 52 he felt that it was just too late to make the massive changes he would need to make. A lot of us think we're past fixing things at the ancient age of 50, but I am here to attest to the fact that you absolutely can clean up and turn things around even in your fifties.

I'm a 90s kid. It sucks he died. But his music just isn't that good. Not trying to be a jerk. I loved Fell On Black Days. He wasn't Kurt or Eddie or even Stipe or Layne.

Great post R390.

R106/R119 a-HEM.

R195 I'm wid' you man, he's such a FAAWWKKKIN' hack, gives the rest of us at SIRIUS X-M a bad rep.

Whatever happened to Silverchair? I never think of them as a 90s band, more 00s.

I was never a fan of Soundgarden, or Audioslave, i liked more Chris Cornell solo. He had a strong, expressive voice.

It's sad that he chose to end his life like this. Was he into drugs when he hang himself, or he was free from substances?

Anyway, wherever he is now, i hope he found the kind of peace he was looking for.

[quote]Way back in the days of "Singles," people would say, "why would Chris choose such a plain chick when he could pull anyone he wants?" And that wasn't easy for her to deal with. I'll say this, he CHOSE her because she was good for him.

So basically same thing people here say about his second wife?

It seems someone is preparing their Antivan lawsuit.

[quote] The family of Soundgarden frontman Chris Cornell issued a statement Friday questioning whether his death by hanging was intentional and if “substances contributed to his demise.”

“Without the results of toxicology tests, we do not know what was going on with Chris,” Kirk Pasich, an attorney for the Cornell family said. “Chris, a recovering addict, had a prescription for Ativan and may have taken more Ativan than recommended dosages. The family believes that if Chris took his life, he did not know what he was doing, and that drugs or other substances may have affected his actions.”

Pasich noted that some medical literature indicates that Ativan can cause paranoid or suicidal thoughts, slurred speech and impaired judgment.

Great post, R390. I personally find his first wife very attractive (and she seems to be a lovely person, or at least was before she got screwed over time and again), and I am sorry for her loss.

She's not plain by any means. Very very cute, just simply attractive. The type of woman I would just consider very seriously if we ever met. I hope she has found appreciation in her life.

Yikes on the possible Ativan complications. Do the police now have to retract their (hasty) judgement? Is the cause of death still suicide if it was induced by a drug reaction? How do you prove this particular drug caused the suicidal reaction? What's the absorbtion rate of Ativan? How do you prove how an individual reacts to certain drug dosages and or drug interactions?

Toxicology results and full causes of death are publicly disclosed in the US but... is this all going to lead inevitably to an unconfirmed finding? A drawn-out pathology process, squabbling family members, no proper tribute send off... Jesus it's George Michael territory all over again.

[quote]The early 90's is dying, our childhood is dying.

It's been dying since Day One, honestly. We GenXers aren't the most robust generation. Boomers and Millennials bitch about how bad we say we had it when growing up, but we really did. Urban areas were basically The Purge back in the 70s and 80s, and rural areas were basically 1890s conservative Christian enclaves.

Our musicians reflect that, which is why the more genuine artists are dying young and why the poseurs like Trent Reznor and everyone in the Spin Doctors will live to be 110.

I don't think his eyes look scary or he looks druggie skinny. He's always been Howard Stern skinny which makes a man look haggard in his 50's. I'll bet it was the Ativan which causes suicidal thoughts. He was probably sick and tired of dealing with anxiety and depression and the shitty Ativan pushed him over the edge.

Unless he had a bad reaction to it, the Ativan should have calmed him down, made him not worry as much shouldn't it? That still doesn't mean it would prevent suicidal thoughts in some people.

A woman (friend's relative) committed suicide and she showed no signs of there being anything wrong that day according to her family.

You want to think there would be signs and you could help them, but sometimes there aren't.

I hate to say this, but when I was in inpatient recovery, the use of Ativan or any psychotropic drug other than anti-depressants was taboo. The feeling was that if one is taking Ativan Xanax or Valium they were not "sober." So I have some doubt as t his purported sobriety.

But having said that, Ativan would, if anything, soothe his mind and relax him. I have never ever heard of that category of drugs causing suicidal thoughts. It's mostly anti-depressants which cause suicidal thoughts, which seems odd, but that's the truth.

First, I don't think Susan is plain. She's very pretty, imho. Second, I think wife 2 is trying to quiet the autoerotic rumors with the Ativan thing. What's interesting about this new development, is wife 2 states she talked to Chris two hours before and he was fine.

And yes I know people who kill themselves do shit like that all the time BUT its sounding more and more like this was unintentional --to me.

Never heard of Ativan causing suicidal thoughts.

R390, great post. Can you share anything else about Susan Silver? Did CC move on to the Housewives looking woman before ending it with Silver?

Looks like we got ourselves a curmudgeon at R401.

I don't give a care for NIN and think they're overrated but come on, Spin Doctors are a good time.

Wives 1 and 2 have me thinking of Christabel, by Coleridge

[quote]The Illuminati got to another one. Droppin like flies

[quote]Yup, notice he died in a hotel by hanging? - neat and tidy, no witnesses.

Rock stars with a history of substance abuse hanging themselves in hotel rooms is nothing new. Richard Manuel of The Band and Stuart Adamson of Big Country are two I can think of off the top of my head.

r406 I am not r390 but I can share that shortly after the divorce Ms. Silver had to sue Mr. Cornell to get child support payments, according to the Washington State Court Records website.

It seems like Chris chose partners who would make the decisions for the both of them. Maybe he didn't have confidence in his own decision-making abilities? But while the decisions his first wife Susan made for him were in his own best interest, his second wife had him doing whatever would benefit her.

Here is another pic of the second wife I think she is quite attractive.

Finally read the BI at R132. That's depressing. Almost makes me glad some of the others from that era (which I am sentimental about) died before the sellout and decay could happen.

Great post R390 and I agree with you re Susan, Chris might have had enormous guilt about what he did to her and their child.

While I was a big fan of Chris and Soundgarden, I can't say I knew too much about his personal life. I was actually more into the music, than knowing intimate details about Chris' life. I just knew when I saw Miss Greece, something was 'off' about her. They didn't seem like a couple. I did know a bit about how he screwed over Susan Silver, I think Miss Greece has A LOT to do with how he treated Susan. Chris' depression might have made him extremely easy to manipulate.

Sometimes you can just look at someone and read them immediately. To me, Miss Greece has golddigger written all over her. Did Susan walk around with Hermes handbags? I doubt it. Well, Miss Greece does. These are signs telling the world a bit about Miss Greece's character.

Perhaps Chris had overwhelming guilt about how he treated Susan and their child, it was too much for him and that's why he committed suicide. Who knows, he might have left Susan and their child the majority of his money. Stranger things have happened. Another problem, a lot of people in showbiz simply do not surround themselves with the right people, there are too many 'yes' people and fakers hovering around celebrities. Many simply want a piece of your soul and, of course, your money.

Sell out

@latimes

Lin-Manual Miranda joins the new “Ducktales” cast to voice Gizmoduck and his alter-ego Fenton Crackshell-Cabrera

Who is the second wife's family that's notorious for social climbing?

Ok, I think some information is getting twisted here. Chris left SS for wife 2 who he met on tour. Yes, that is a jerk thing to do but it happens everyday. When Chris left the divorce got ugly. That is natural considering the situation. I think SS THEN mismanaged Chris' finances out of anger. This is really what was first alleged. Apparently, she diverted funds to the other band members that should have gone to Chris. Once attorneys get involved things always get messy and here is no exception. The lawsuit got messier and the divorce did too. SS had every right to be angry, but she WAS angry and punished him financially. It took over five years for her to give him his guitars and Grammy. So this was not ALL Chris.

That said, I'm really curious about why his hotel door had to be broken to gain access? That makes me think this was a planned suicide. Its a hotel for Christ's sake, there are pass keys!! Did he use all locks and barricade himself?

"Planned suicide"

RIP.

Fair enough [R417] there WERE reports of a possible 'accidental suicide'...

I getcha.

R18 I have no idea what that means.

It was a long time ago but the rumors I remember hearing back in 2005 were that she was holding stuff for ransom because he didn't pay child support. I can hardly find anything about that online anymore, just a few people wondering (even back in 2005-2006) if the new wife was the one behind the lawsuits and not really Chris himself.

I had a bad reaction to Ativan. At least I think I did. My doctor prescribed it for my nerves but it sent me into a mini-breakdown. I was driving down Crescent Heights in L.A. and decided to make a left turn where there was no street. I hit the curb and blew out the two front tires. I went into some kind of fugue state. I remember looking at the car, realizing I couldn't fix both tires, and the next thing I knew I was at home in bed and my father was asking me if he should come out. I guess I called my boyfriend and he came and got me. He looked real worried. I told my doctor what happened and asked his advice. He said, "Stop taking it.!" LOL. Twenty years later I thought I was heading towards another nervous breakdown and after trying everything I went to another doctor and begged her for something. I told her I felt all clenched up inside. She referred me to a psychiatrist who prescribed Xanax which totally fixed me. No side effects.

Taking a few Ativan does not cause someone to choose to hang themself. This claim is an attempt to make it seem like their marriage was perfect and happy and a possible attempt to sue Ativan and get more money from them and the life insurance.

Ugly trash bag hag Vicky knows all the dirt on her is going to come out. Read the comments in the link from those who know chris and Vicky very well.

What kind of freaks feel the need to do this auto-asphyxiation nonsense? Do people like this really exist? Sorry if I'm being judgmental but they deserve judgment. And call me to mourn when a recording star on par with Barbra Streisand or Celine Dion suddenly kicks the bucket. But not when some rock grungy nobody that most of the wool doesn't have a clue about decides to selfishly off himself.

R424, wow, that's a lot of comments on that page! What are the most important ones?

Thanks for visiting this threat and spewing your venom, R425.

R424 I agree this doesn't seem likely. Chris had presumably been taking meds for awhile so an extra one or two would likely make him pass out not kill himself. However, and I'm not defending his wife per se, I understand a desire to keep his kids from that hurt. There was an emphasis on him not doing something that would hurt them....I don't blame her for trying to protect them. From a kid's perspective, a parent committing suicide is a assault against them and their sense of comfort in the world. It is a horrific fate to suffer.

Details surrounding Soundgarden singer Chris Cornell’s suicide were published Friday by The Detroit News, which obtained a copy of a report filed by officers who responded to the scene.

According to the article, the report says Cornell’s wife, Vicky, asked his bodyguard to check on the singer after a telephone conversation in which he repeatedly said, “I am just tired.” The bodyguard, Martin Kirsten, went to Cornell’s room at the MGM Grand Hotel shortly after midnight and found the main door and a door to the bedroom suite locked; he forced both doors open. He found Cornell on the bathroom floor, “with blood running from his mouth and a red exercise band around [his] neck,” the report says.

I heard on news reports today that the wife now claims he was slurring his speech when she spoke to him... I think this was after the concert? Can't remember when but he told her that he had taken a few extra pills. She then got security to find him.

That Morgan person at Fluttergirl, sure had Vicky read.

Poor Chris.

Am I the only one who wonders where that for headed son came from? He doesn't look like either parent but I think Maccauley Caulkin might be the real father.

*toe headed

It's tow-headed.

Thanks R434! Time to look it up because honestly the meaning has always been a mystery to me

Wife seems to retro fitting a story to match the events? Maybe they fought on the phone?

This is sounding like the 'suicide version' of the Michael Hutchence saga.

Wow, [R429], the suicide scene sounds brutal (blood running out of mouth, etc.).

I really do want to know the details of what went down.

He talks to the wife on the phone and is able to get through performing *an entire concert* and then immediately after decides to strangle himself to death with an exercise band?

It's such strange behavior...I hope they find out what caused it.

Absolutely does not sound like a spontaneous thing at all. Must have been something brewing and he just decided on that date and to get to the end of that gig.

But it would be interesting to know what happened in that phonecall.

Chris, his wife, and mother in law from a couple of years ago.

Hermes bags and real fur, very classy.

WTF was this guy thinking marrying his second wife? The mother in law looks like epic east coast trash.

The wife and mother-in-law are dressed the same in that pic, r439.

That's really weird.

Oh gawd, the life of a straight man is hell.

Chris did fine the first time around with his choice of lady friend, [R442]. But yeah, number two? What is with those bags (the leather ones)???

Everyone makes mistakes but ...

Mother in law reminds me of Donatella Versace. And is wifey always on her phone? Like, every single picture.

I used Ativan and Xanax somewhat regularly for about 8 months, and it really messed my mind up. I definitely had dark thoughts, and it took me forever to realize it was the drugs. When I did, I stopped taking the pills, and I got myself back to normal.

I could totally see his suicide as inspired by a Benzo. Those things are fucked up, and some people have very bad reactions to them.

I'm getting lost with this story. Is this article insinuating there were lengthy delays between Chris' security guard finding him and an ambulance attending? Did the security guard not attempt CPR? Surely he would have been trained? And if Chris had taken 'an extra one or two Atvian' as his wife seems to be saying elsewhere, where did these come from - this article seems to be implying that the security guard had Chris' medication under lock and key.

Link to [R446].

I have many questions as well, the timeline is questionable. They said the bodyguard came into the room at 1230am to fix Chris's laptop and he gave 2 pills to Chris, which he took. And then he hung himself shortly after?

Ok, just read the article, 1130pm bodyguard goes to Chris's room to fix laptop and gave him 2 pills. Wife called him at 1215am and he was slurring his words, repeated "I am just tired"many times and hung up abruptly.

Sounds like he was annoyed by her. Maybe that's why she not on the tour coz he didn't want her there.

I think he definitely planned it. And she called bodyguard to check on him after phone call at 1215am. Doesn't mention what time the bodyguard went to break down the door... surprised emt got there so late, didn't they call 911?

Also "I am so tired" is very telling, he is tired of the way his life is going, tired of touring, tired of performing, tired of his wife, tired of the demands placed on him; tired of everything.

Isn't the wife upset that they're calling it suicide so soon? She wants to wait for tox results, which leads me to believe he was not sober.

Has brad Pitt released a statement yet?

Trouble with the wife I'd say. And she wants to blame whoever was distributing the Atavin. In her statement, the wife only mentions that she can't belive it was 'deliberate' because Chris 'loved his kids'. No mention of him loving her. Something's not right here.

The wife sounds like a cunt, if she knew that Chris was in a fragile state mentally and not sober, why didn't she follow him on tour to make sure he's ok, considering that he's her golden goose? I don't think he wanted her there.

Sting's wife, never lets sting out of her sight. They are always together.

Not just the wife, but really the whole outfit - band, staff, management etc etc should not have been OK with Chris touring - and certainly not with him being alone. I know I know - the show goes on... Only when things like this happen, nothing goes on - and you wonder why everyone was pushing their luck so far. And now three kids have lost their father.

The story makes little sense. I'm no Ativan guru but if someone (and this is assuming the wife is speaking truthfully) sounds muddled and says repeatedly that they are very tired, I'd not be expecting them to go to the exertion of rigging up a whatever and hanging themselves. I'd be thinking they might more pass out.

If the prescription drugs were with the security guard, what's his take on how many pills Cornell popped?

Tell me this not another Michael Jackson repeat.

On the one hand, why bother having the bodyguard fix his computer if he was planning to kill himself?

On the other hand, he must have been planning ahead, or why have a carabiner ready to use?

The "history " of his laptop should be really interesting...

Also, I wonder if they "cleaned" the room before calling authorities. Notice the huge gap in time between discovery and arrival of emt etc.

Security guard wasn't thinking too fast, was he? Why even mention the computer 'fixing'? Think I might have dropped that detail.

Unless it turns into a criminal case, the family won't be obliged to disclose or even explore the laptop's history, correct?

If someone really needs a security guard/minder, shouldn't they be within range at all times? What's with having to ask hotel security for door access (and then being denied this as well)?

Remember that blind item upthread said that he was about to leave Wife #2 for another woman.

Maybe W2 offed him before he could escape

Agree that "I'm so tired" is very telling and sad. It sounds like he was just done with performing, the marriage, all of it.

Did they find any of Brad Pitt's DNA anywhere on his body?

Don't know what to make of the 'I'm so tired' comment. It does need more context. Maybe the wife was pressing him to explain what was going on and he just wanted to shrug her off. I've said that so often when not remotely tired - more like pissed off or even bored.

He was "tired" of being "sober."

He took the Ativan to dull down his natural survival instinct and then used the rubber band to strangle himself. He chose his time.

Oh dear... so many of these posts actually seem to ring true :(.

Still, the wife seems to be talking only about Ativan when really you could have taken anything and someone on the other end of the phone is not going to be able to pinpoint this and that and the other.

What a mess. Prince's tox results took a lot longer than people thought they might, and then George Michael's managed to drag out to two months (and then some for the viewers at home). Let's hope things can turn around a bit quicker on this one.

Geez those poor kids. And that will be curtains on a bunch of musical careers, too. Awful.

[quote]Also "I am so tired" is very telling,

It was "I am just tired," probably said in response to his wife asking what was wrong.

Security Guard could have strangled him, been on the payroll of the wife. How do you beat down thick hotel doors? I'm in one right now and ... I really don't know. Seems like a wonderful alibi. Why would he lock himself in the bedroom area if the first door was already locked? Wouldn't hotel staff be more practiced at opening their own doors?

Also could have barricaded self in smaller area to get away from security guard or whoever. Any signs of struggle? I really question locking both doors. You wouldn't do that if you were alone in your hotel room unless there were other people there.

Do hanged people bleed from the mouth?

Are there suggestions (upthread and possibly elsewhere) that this was not suicide at all, and that the bleeding was caused by something other than wounds caused by hanging?

I have to say I find it odd that the (trusted) security guard had hold of the Atavin, yet had irresponsibly dispensed more than the prescribed amount. AND was then the go-to to check on Chris. AND did not have proper access to his room. What actually?

I'm no rock star, but if my partner/family member/best friend was in a fragile state and I was suddenly very worried about them, I'd insist that hotel staff enter their room and check on them immediately - even if I wasn't 'authorised' to enter. I'm sure staff at a major hotel would rather go check someone was OK than have a scene on their hands.

As for the Atavin, if this was being taken regularly under prescription, would side effects not have shown up early on in the piece. Would take 'an extra one or two' on the odd occasion (and perhaps this was not the first time) really have a much, much different effect than all the other times at the prescribed dose? I guess this is a question as I've no real idea. Just seems strange that such an adverse effect would manifest only on this occasion. And anyway, is this drug super super quick acting? Didn't seem to be much time between supposed ingestion and calamity. Nothing makes any sense

*taking

Security guard was the one who broke up Heidi Klum's marriage to Seal. He's hot.

Agree ^. Let's hope he still has a clean pair of hands though...

Three kids and he kills himself? What a loser.

it's not unusual r473

He was so sexy. I always imagined a threesome with him and Scott Weiland. Both talented dudes and both offed themselves

r473 You fucking bellend

R471 That's bullshit. Seal was fucking around on her for quite some time before she was fucking Mr Bodyguard.

That is not what Seal alleged. Who knows? Sorry Heidi.

R477 is right. Seal is a hypocrite.

Heidi's crime is her wanting ugly kids, what a waste of good genes.

Hoping Brad Pitt is doing well. I really feel sorry for him. This could send someone spiraling down further. He needs a strong support group around him.

Size meat verificata?

The wife reminds me of Mother Gothel

^ Or Danielle Staub

So old.

[quote] [R473] You fucking bellend

Yeah, cuz someone selfish enough to leave their kids behind is a real winner.

Well, I guess that we can finally eliminate the auto-erotic asphyxiation angle thank goodness. I just "knew" that it was not the case, but without more info it had to be considered as a possibility. CC was not the sort, from what I have heard, to be so sexually jaded as to resort to life threatening methods to get off.

I am now all but convinced that he hated the life he was living. I bet if he could snap his fingers and go back to his pre-Vicky years he would have done so. As someone else said upthread, that Morgan person on the CC blog REALLY had Vicky and her family clocked.

And yet, he freely chose her, so I can't hold her solely responsible for his sadness. I'd like to, but I can't,

He was living in a Miami condo for fucks sake!

R88, where did you hear that?

More from mother-in-law's Twitter

Typical rockstar story re the second wife situation. The first wife, a music manager no less, goes through the very lean times with the deceased, while the second sleazy fake poseur 'Joisey Housewife' type reaps the benefits and lavish lifestyle through Chris's talent.

The more I read about Vicky, the more apparent this woman was a tramp and gold digger. Vicky was already in a relationship when she met Chris n Paris.

The so-called 'fashion publicist' job Vicky had in Paris was through her brother's publicity firm. Bottom line, this Vicky bitch was not as accomplished as she painted herself. Seems she had her brother produce some events for Chris because she had her eyes on him for a long time. IIRC, he was touring with Audioslave when they met in Paris.

After they married, in private she belittled Chris and teased him about his small cock. Vicky sounds like a real piece of work. She's not even good looking, take away the designer clothing, the makeup etc and she looks like a typical short squat middle aged immigrant Greek woman walking around Astoria Queens!

Chris probably killed himself because he couldn't stand being with Vicky anymore. Chris fell for Vicky's nonsense hook, line and sinker. If he had remained with Susan Silver, he'd be alive today.

"I am so tired" meant he simply couldn't deal with anything any longer.

r487 why can we "finally eliminate the autoerotic asphyxiation angle"?

I'm not r487, but I'm pretty sure he was fully clothed when they found him, as in his pants were zipped

Ok, so his wife said, "I'm just tired," and not "I'm so tired," but to me it pretty much means the same to me...that he was just tired of it all therefore ending it all. He said it repeatedly and hung up abruptly.

Was he living in Miami? With the wife and family or separated? I mean, he could have said ," I love you" one last time but didn't.

"I'm just tired," and not "I'm so tired", you bet it means the SAME thing.

This slimy user Vicky chick was definitely not a nice or normal woman, her reputation is horrendous. There’s not one positive word about her in showbiz circles. Even from people she knew when she was a teen, Vicky had an extremely bad rep.

Chris probably could no longer deal with his sham miserable marriage. Looking 'happy' in photos is not the same as actually being happy in real life.

One of the kids Chris had with Vicky was almost platinum blond, is that the older kid? There was a rumour that Vicky was already pregnant by the other boyfriend when she hooked up with Chris. Vicky easily dumped the other dude because Chris was richer and better looking.

Could be Chris knew the blond wasn't his kid, he no longer could deal with the entire situation.

Chris might also have been so depressed, that killing himself was a much better option than another horrible divorce. Chris might have felt he was a failure in his personal life. His suicide likely had little to do with his actual career, more about his fucked up personal life. Anyone with eyes could see Vicky was forcing Chris into a jet-set lifestyle he wanted nothing to do with.

All the fans in the world telling you how great you are means nothing to some rockstars. I remember something Janis Joplin once said in an interview, it was something along the lines of “ There thousands of people screaming for me at my concerts, yet I go back to my hotel room alone.” And that’s how Janis died, alone in her hotel room from a heroin overdose.

Janis never had someone who loved her for her, there were many who loved the famous 'Janis Joplin’, rock singer supreme. This can be said about any famous person. You never really know who loves you for the real you or from what they can get from you. Vicky apparently got a glamorous jet-set life through Chris’ talent. Most of her reputation as an ‘accomplished' fashion publicist was bullshit.

Chris always looked miserable around Vicky, those smiling photos of them together were so forced. His mother despised Vicky. I feel so bad for his mother, Susan Silver and his children.

R483 she reminds me of the ant princess from Antz

Funeral in LA, May 26

R491 How do you know she "teased him about his small cock"?

oh was it small? I've suddenly lost interest

Burying him in LA rather than Seattle is to keep the Brand going and accessible to the most fans.

R498, a person, a woman, who obviously knew Vicky for a long time, a former friend who knew all about Vicky and her penchant for luring in hot and successful men, revealed all at a gossip site. They did this during the time Vicky and Chris met then got married.

The woman who posted the dirt about Chris and Vicky had been demeaned by Vicky for years. Party girl user types like Vicky don't have real friends or deep friendships., their goal is to meet a hot and wealthy man. Vicky obviously used this female friend and the friend revealed all. The former friend posted Vicky's address in Paris and four of Vicky's phone numbers. I'd say that woman knew Vicky very well. A groupie, or hanger-on, sure doesn't know addresses and phone numbers.

6'4" with a small dick? That's almost as sad as being a fat chick with a flat chest (I.e. Kelly Clarkson, Lens)

I thought for sure Chris was partially Hispanic or Mediterranean, but apparently he's a Colin Farrell-style black Irish, so I guess Irish curse strikes again.

R502, that's exactly what skankola Vicky told her now former friend, that Chris had the "Irish curse". She also said he couldn't stay hard, just terrible things to demean him and make herself look like a victim. I'm sure she'll spin his death to make herself seem like the victim once again. It was clear Vicky was the one pushing the tanning booths and jet set lifestyle on Chris. Dude was happy just to be able making the music he enjoyed.

It was obviously all about the psycho Vicky, this woman is completely delusional. Guess she didn't have a mirror, she was not the pretty or talented one in the relationship..

I always thought Chris was part Hispanic or even Italian, there are many Hispanics and Italians with dark hair and light eyes.

Can't understand why anyone would call Vicky attractive. The former friend said she was ugly inside and out. Vicky had a lot of body hair removed through electrolysis and waxing, said she's short and stumpy, she had ugly hands and feet. The former friend really tore into her. The friend said she barely knew Chris, yet knew Vicky was totally wrong for him and was a user.

And burial to be at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery, ugh. Couldn't they put him in the quieter (classier) Forest Lawn? Not 'celeb' enough I guess.

Interesting theories about what may have happened. Also find the bodyguard's behavior strange. How would have a severely drowsy CC be able to slam a carabiner onto the door - did he carry one of these around with him when he traveled? New reports said it was slammed so hard on the door it left a dent on it and the door frame. Then have the energy to put the band round his neck. very fishy.

I'm wondering if imaybe the bg gave him something heavier than Ativan, or mistakenly gave him something else, which might have killed him and the hanging was a 'ruse' to cover it up. The tox results will clear a lot of this up.

For those who asked Ativan is very fast acting and has a fast clearance, meaning it's metabolized by the body and cleared faster than other benzos (has a shorter half-life). This is partly why it's become the benzo of choice for anxiety, its supposed to be harder to get addicted to.

Soundgarden on right now, on NBC's 10PM repeat from 1996.

I took Ativan for awhile, the generic form, Lorezapam. I was only on it a few months and not every day. I was told to take it when I had to deal with stressful situations, such as dealing with my difficult argumentative mom. The drug made me a bit calmer, that was it. I definitely didn't get addicted or suicidal, I easily stopped it. Guess this drug affects different people differently. Now when I see my mom, I simply tell her to shut the fuck up.

R503 as fucked-up as the wife is, Chris must've had some deep-seated self-esteem issues to put up with that. Other posters on here mentioned he had a bad childhood/home life. Was he verbally/emotionally abused as a child? Abused people frequently attract abusers and users, who can sniff out vulnerability like lab rats in a maze. Really reminiscent of Courtney and Kurt's relationship.

Thanks for all the dirt on the wife. What a piece of work. I can't believe she said he was small and couldn't stay hard to people!

I don't know what drugs he's used but the dick doesn't work well when you're a drunk.

R502 - I'm 6'4" and my cock is pathetic in the shower. Embarrassingly small. It is anything from a nub to a maybe 4" depending on the water temp and my nerves. However, when I get hard, it's 7 1/2 inches long and I can just barely wrap my hand around it. Hard as blue steel, cat couldn't scratch it. Not a porn star cock, but certainly respectable with no complaints. Bottoms love me. :)

If he were female, we would have called him an insecure and extremely needy person. He's never been single for years, pretty much jumped from one relationship to another and is extremely dependent on his partners for his self esteem. Wonder if he is borderliner.

I can't believe anyone believes psycho at r503. You can't even get your facts straight and we're supposed to believe all your outlandish lies?

He released an album with Timbaland and got papped on the beach after this new wife. To top it off she's having him buried in a tacky Hollywood cemetery instead of Seattle. Dependent on his partners for self-esteem is right R510.

R511 even if some of what's been posted here or elsewhere is an exaggeration, it doesn't take much to realize that Vicky was bad for him.

R507, I don't think Chris had a bad home life, as in being abused by his parents. By all accounts both parents had good jobs. IIRC, his dad was a pharmacist and his mom a real estate agent. Maybe they were alcoholics or druggies.

I think his parents divorced when he was young, that might have made Chris very depressed. He seemed to be depressed from his childhood. He locked himself in his room a lot.

R511, Facts straight? They're not MY facts, asshole. I read about trashoid Vicky at a Soundgarden gossip forum, I even stated as much. The woman posted that she knew Vicky for a long time, she posted as Morgan, of course, not her real name. She posted things only a friend would know. THX for visiting DL, Vicky!

I guess you are not familiar with DL's resident dominatrix Magdelene? She posted really personal info about rockstars and no one ever questioned her posts. You must be new here or very naive.

Chris Cornell was half Catholic and half Jewish but was raised Catholic for those of you who were wondering.

If someone has had a drug problem, it is not unusual for someone else to keep the person's meds. And for someone who is used to 1 Ativan, 2 won't be seriously damaging. Unless he'd taken more earlier The wife said he told her he'd taken an extra one or two, which is reportedly what worried her. Also, someone said that he was a bit slower during the performance than the rest of the band. Maybe he had more drugs in his system--they'd certainly be easy enough to get.

Somebody controlling pills also screams suicidal.

Men who dump their partners who stuck with them when they weren't rich and famous aren't some poor little fragile floweres. They are cold, self-centered users. He deserved the shrew he ended up with. Nice guys don't marry cunty women.

I can't get the visual at R475 out of my head.

Meh, you are all talking like little fraus projecting your situations with your partners on chris. Whether wife no. 1 is a saint and wife no. 2 is a manipulative goldigger the point remains that both were strong women who controlled his life and he sought them out. What grown ass man needs that mothering? He obviously was never single for long, needed to be with that kind of woman all the time. All this "thirteen reasons why" lets blame somebody's suicide on somebody , if A didnt meet B none of this would have happened schtick just needs to go away.

I hope more Dirt about this ugly vulture Vicky gets spilled to the media now that Chris has passed away. A friend of mine was good friends with his brother 10-15 years ago and he pretty much insinuated that Vicky was anEvil cunt that brainwashed Chris and destroyed their family.

Scott had a cute little ass for a skinny guy as you can see here (at 4:20), and he didn't off himself R475. He died of an accidental overdose. He did abuse his body for many years though and was bipolar.

Chris performed a song in memory of Scott not long after he died. I think the name of it was "Say Hello To Heaven".

I wonder if Chris was already having suicidal thoughts. Two great talents gone.

"Say Hello To Heaven" was written in 1991.

Chris originally performed the song with his offshoot band, Temple of the Dog, which consisted of Chris, Eddie Vedder, Jeff Ament. Matt Cameron, Stone Gossard and Mike McCready. Basically, TOTD was a band consisting of Soundgarden and Pearl Jam members. "Hunger Strike" is the other well known song by TOTD.

Say Hello to Heaven was written after Andrew Wood of Mother Love Bone died and Soundgarden was on tour in Europe. CC had no one to talk to about AW's death and wrote the songs. He brought them back to Seattle, showed them to the remaining Mother Love Bone people who would soon become Pearl Jam, and they all decided to record them.

Meant to post, the song was released in 1991. I have the CD.

I'm quite aware of Andrew Wood overdosing. Whenever the song was written, it was not about Chris wanting to commit suicide.

The wife looks like Victoria Beckham.

Am I missing something here? If Chris' funeral is going to be on May 26, how on EARTH will they manage to have done the tox results by then? Michael Jackson's took longer, Prince's took way longer, and we all know how long George Michael's took (OK so maybe there was all sorts of merriment and bullshit going on behind the scene on that one but the point remains). I thought the coroner did not release a body until their findings were complete - tox results included.

Please explain.

[quote]What grown ass man needs that mothering?

Someone who had a bad childhood, apparently. There's a reprint of a 1996 interview with him at Pitchfork where they related the story of how he would sometimes just stop talking at work when he was a teenager, after he was kicked out of high school and never finished. He once went two months without saying a word to anyone. That's a pretty good indicator that he was troubled.

In even interview I've ever seen of him, he looks massively highly strung and intensely uncomfortable. Struck me he had massive self esteem issues. Which of course does not excuse him cheating on then walking out on a loyal partner, but he never looked remotely comfortable in his own skin to me - other than when he was on stage of course.

Can you imagine being a major introvert but looking like a combination of rock god and Jesus? That jaded rock reporter who wrote the Pitchfork article in 1996 even said that HE was taken aback by seeing Cornell in person in the early 1990s, where it seemed like this amber aura emanated from the guy and everyone just stared.

R528 and R529 Heath Ledger (RIP) was the same way. An immensely talented and physically extraordinary individual defeated by his demons. Still hurts how we lost him at the peak of his career.

Why Heath O Lord WHY?????

Poor Heath only got to 27. At least Michael Hutchence made it to his 40s and Chris over 50. But yeah - massive waste all three. Could all have kept going very successfully in terms of their careers.

Did Kurt die at the peak of his fame? I was still in grade school at the time.

Yes R533, Absolutely the peak.

Seems to be mandatory [R531].

I was re-reading some old interviews in the last few days, and in one Spin article Chris spoke at length about a pretty bad PCP episode he had when he was 13. He holed himself up in his room and was practically agoraphobic, and couldn't really talk about it to anyone since he didn't want to get in trouble for taking PCP. He's said he went two years after that without any friends at all and spent all of his time in his room. That's the kind of thing that never leaves you, no matter how successful you become. In his words, he was raised by two alcoholics, and he started drinking at 13. He was the youngest of six kids and it was the 70s, when parents let their kids run feral. I have seen him in those kinds of meet and greet events and he was absolutely not comfortable there. But he did have some hell of an aura that made him instantly magnetic. Thayil was intimidating, but Cornell was just closed off. Always seemed so incredibly internal, and that's probably why I was drawn to him and his lyrics, as much as the gorgeous looks.

I was kind of obsessed with him through most of the 90s, and I even used to drive by his house hoping for a sighting. As long as I lived in Seattle, never once ran into him anywhere (though did see Matt Cameron in a Peet's). I find it disturbing that he's not going to be buried there.

Have any of his bandmates had anything to say yet?

No-one has answered the question as to how tox results could possibly be returned before a funeral on May 26. It's a good question. Is the funeral date just a news wind-up?

Why would they need to hold the body? I assume they took any pertinent forensic samples should further testing be necessary.

Not sure about US law, [R538], but in the UK the body cannot be released to family etc before a coroner has made a final report. Occasionally, a coroner's findings mean that criminal charges may be laid - in which case the police then have jurisdiction over the body. Only after the police have finished any criminal investigations can the body be released (by the police) back to coroner - who is then able to release said body to the family/appointee for burial.

Thanks for that link, R527. I had that Details mag and threw it out recently, along with a bunch of other media on the band that I had been carting around for ages. I recall reading that one the first time and being a little taken aback at just how deep his troubles went. Susan did seem to be a good stabilizing force for him, but one thing I will say about his second wife, was that fatherhood also seemed to ignite him and give him good reasons to stop playing the recluse. I never saw photos of Chris smiling until he had a family.

He didn't have kids with Susan? (Don't know.)

I'm actually a fan of Hollywood Forever cemetery, but it is absolutely the wrong place for Chris - though apparently not for what he turned into. They have shows there and Day of the Dead. It's celebrity, but in a zaney, mostly old-timely, almost Pirates of the Caribbean Disneyland ride way.

*old-timey

I think it's fair to say Cornell was very much against turning into the kind of person who would get buried at Hollywood Forever, though whether he changed or whether his widow just never understood that, who knows.

Cornell has a 17 year old daughter with Susan. I hope his second wife didn't manage to exclude her from her fair share of her father's estate. She's a minor and the courts would not look favorably on favoring some children over others.

Chris is from Seattle. He should be buried there. Hollywood Forever is tacky and creepy.

Who cares? He abandoned his children. He's dirt.

His kids probably care, R546. You know, the ones you claim you care so much about?

Atavan is deadly. My mother was prescribed it and started seeing crocodiles that weren't there. No joke. Chris was probably in a Psychotic stupor.

lol, I never claimed to care about his kids. I don't really need to, because I'm not their parent. Some of you really need to get a grip. The guy is a selfish bastard. I listened to some Soundgarden and I'm not about to deify this guy. What is it with crazy fans and their blinders? He abandoned his first child and then killed himself and left his second family broken. If that doesn't make him a failure as a parent, I don't know what does.

Fadi Fawaz in fresh George Michael battle: Will family feud EVER end?

I'm concerned about the post detailing ill effects of Ativan - namely seeing crocodiles. That's not funny.

Lord knows what went on with CC - how much of what and when and why. But I'd be concerned about taking prescription medication that really does have the capacity to bring on psychosis without warning and at the prescribed dosage (I refer to the post upthread re the crocodiles). Are there no other alternatives?

Oh [R550] methinks you landed in the wrong thread?

R552 oh sorry :(

seeing crocodiles for real?

I thought the Ativan story was bollocks until [R548] showed up. Now I'm wondering what else is out there holding potential disaster.

I'm sure Chris' story is much much more complex, but I wonder what his GP will be thinking.

I said it in George Michael thread too 'prescription drugs kill more than illegal drugs'

Every medication has some people who have bad side effects, if he was given a prescribed dosage I don't see how he would all of a sudden get new side effects if he had taken it before. Ativan is more common to have odd effects in elderly people, so someone in their 60's is going to react differently than someone in their 40's.

Toxicology reports will tell a lot more, or if he was combining it with something else. There is a lot we will never know, like why did he have the equipment to kill himself so handy if it was spur of the moment.

So the wife believes Ativan could be the issue?

My personal experiences with Ativan are not stellar. I took it for 3 months. There were blocks of time that were missing, always. I'd read insane texts on my cell, that I never ever recall sending, nor would I send them under normal circumstances, and friends and neighbors would tell me of me either visiting them, or them visiting me, where I would have very odd conversationss that made no sense, or phone calls that made no sense. Same thing happened with Ambien, by the way.

The final time that I took an Ativan, I did so on an airplane, flying from NY, to LA. I honestly have no idea how I got off the plane, got my luggage, got an Uber, and got home. I have no recollection of it at all, whatsoever.

It was Brittany Murphy who was at his wedding and died (as the Maid of Honor?)

Michael Hutchence was 37 when he died.

Are they trying to use a potential Ativan lawsuit to assuage the loss from a life insurance policy (policies?). I doubt any policies cover suicide. They could lose a lot of inheritance money, right?

R548 here. Yes, crocodiles. She thought they were in the toilet. Hallucinations. Scary. This was about 6 years ago. These drugs are mind altering and Dr's prescribe them like candy. The US is prescription drug addicted.

What exactly did Chris have around his neck?

a device

I hope the jersey shore bitch of a wife loses her lawsuit.

What r557 said. Who travels with suicide equipment?What's a carabiner?

According to TMZ, Chris Cornell used "red elastic exercise band" to take his own life after performing at a concert in Detroit Wednesday night. Sources tell the site that the SOUNDGARDEN frontman secured the band attached to a carabiner to the top of his hotel bathroom door. A carabiner is a device commonly used by mountain climbers which they attach to a belt to keep them from falling. The device can withstand enormous weight. Cornell jammed the door shut with the carabiner at the top of the frame. The carabiner was jammed so tight it left an indentation in the door frame.

What's a carabiner?

A metal loop used for rockclimbing and attaching one elastic rope to another.

Goodness, simply Googling the word results in Cornell news.

"What's Google?" - R566, a dumbass

I have a travel set of rubber exercise bands that I bring with me for work travel and I use in hotels. Included in the set is a carabiner-like device which you can use in a door frame to do things like rows, etc. Also the heavy duty hooks at the ends of the bands might be called a carabiner by some people. Could be that he had one of these sets in his room for exercise and when the mood struck he had an easy way to off himself.

The more information comes out about this, the more it appears that he planned it.

I can understand traveling with exercise bands. Plenty of people do. But mountain climbing equipment? No.

I want to say something that may not fly over well, but it is the truth. Some people have been planning their suicide for ages. I know that if I am ever in a situation where I am diagnosed with an unbearable, and painful illness, or if I am ever told I have dementia, which several relatives had, I'd take my own life. I can definitely understand doing it while depressed. I never did (obviously), but I seriously considered it.

Some people know when they've had enough of "this". They made a decision to check out years ago when the time came. It sucks that there were children left behind, a wife, and people who loved him. But when someone decides that this is it, they decide.

We may not even know if he had been diagnosed with some terminal illness. Heck, his wife may not even know yet.

Wow, [R567], the carabiner, exercise band, jamming it into the door so hard it left an indent--and all those details--are very disturbing.

It sounds very premeditated. I wouldn't even know you could kill yourself that way, even if I wanted to do such a thing and had *both* of those things on hand.

Did he google how to commit suicide or something?

It's sounding so much now that he had planned to do this (fairly in advance of that last concert) and didn't want anyone to stop him.

It does not sound like spur of the moment Ativan psychosis or whatever that just occurred at the hotel afterwards.

I hope the investigators release all the info--including what was found on his computer, etc. and find out how long he was really planning this. Very sad....

*P.S. Can someone please start a "Chris Cornell Dead at 52--Part 2" thread please? There's clearly much more to cover/discuss here and this thread will be closed soon.......

R570, my point was that it looks like people are saying he travelled with a carabiner which is being reported as something used in mountain climbing when, in fact, the carabiner was probably part of his exercise kit. Personally I believe the reporters are misrepresenting the carabiner. Perhaps he did plan it all, but I don't think he had mountain climbing equipment with him!

R572 Thank you! Carabiners aren't JUST mountain climbing equipment, jesus. My dog's leash has a carabiner on the end. I have several I use as keychains. They're handy for all kinds of things. Have you people never set foot in a hardware store?

R569, yeah. I totally understand your post. I didn't see it until after I had posted mine at r570.

Thanks for that clarification, by the way. It helps in putting this in perspective.

Part Two Link

And with that, let's put the great carabiner debate to rest. At least here on DL. Hmm, this might be the quickest resolution of a semantics argument I've ever seen on Datalounge in the 15 years I've been here!

His widow was all over social media within hours of his death. IIRC, she called one of Chris's security guards to tell him this, and the security guard broke down the door to Chris's room.

I can only say it doesn't mesh. Those hotels have security details crawling the corridors. All the security guard would've had to do is call reception to report a possible injury, and the door would've been opened faster and easier. But then the security guard wouldn't've been first on the scene to discover the body.