Best Plastic Surgery

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[quote]The ever-lovely Raquel Welch. Does anyone else look as good as she does at 76?

You think?

She looks like Amanda Lear. I.e. like a transsexual. Ugh!

I don't "believe in" plastic surgery, but I agree, her plastic surgery looks great. Very natural looking. She is fabulous.

I think that R2 is intending to somehow disprove that she looks great... for me, when I look at the picture in R2, I just think more and more, "she looks great".

If I can look this good at her age, I will be very pleased with myself.

It's her body, she can do what she wants.

Stop hating trans people. Get over yourself. You're not better than they are. Stop thinking about how much better you are than other people.

They're doing the best they know how to do, which is probably a lot better than what people would say about you if they knew all of your secrets. So STFU and stop looking down on others who are just doing their best to be themselves.

Oh fuck off tedious cunt r5. If a real woman starts to look like a tranny that IS a tragedy. And I AM better than the likes of Stefonknee and Meredith and the Angry Azalea.

Age 79. Two facelifts by now... she said. You'd think she'd look like a stretched out mask. It all looks pretty good. In interviews, everything appears natural and seems to move.

[quote]just doing their best to be themselves.

They're doing their best to NOT be themselves R6.

How is surgically altering your appearance "being yourself"?

Age 60. Facelift and botox.

The ladies always change their hair to cover the scars around the ears. It's too bad men can't really do that.

I really think it's sad.

I think older faces are beautiful.

Christie Brinkley at 62

AMERICA-TEETH

Hands down, Susan Sarandon. She is 70 but looks 15 - 20 years younger. I don't even think she's had massive surgery.

Definitely passes for under 30 in the after shot!

Donna Mills looks great for 76, although she wears a lot of makeup and her foundation looks too light.

Shouldn't the question here be: why is an over-70 year old woman expected to look "hot"?

Maybe you should ask the 70-year-old woman R17.

By comparison, when an aging sex symbol decides NOT to get plastic surgery -- Brigitte Bardot. So the "natural" alternative has its own downside.

[quote]There are ways to look nicer than that R19.

Brown lipstick and black clothes aren't two of them.

sorry, I quoted myself.

R19 is an asshole. People age. You're ageing right now. Bardot looks great, she is an elderly woman who has lived a full life. You should be so lucky.

Zoom into the original OP pic and someone blurred out the silk top lace on the wig's hairline.

Explanation; it's all an illusion!

Bardot is batshit crazy and a mean-spirited harridan. And it shows.

The other question is why? Are they still trying to attract men? Horny? Trying for roles. You know they are not gonna get them.

Or maybe they just like to look as nice as they can r25? It is possible for women to NOT be trying to attract a man. Really.

R26. I hear ya. But I think an older look looks just as nice. I dont look at a lined, old face and think how ugly. Much nicer usually than an artificial face that's always seems to me a little off.

Or is looking nice the same as looking young? Lines on a face also give character. Is not depth, character and personality part of looking good? Is their erasure part of looking nice?

We speak of distinguished looking gentlemen, of handsome older men. So why do women resort to surgery more than men?

70-year-old Catherine Deneuve always knew how.

Lily Tomlin at 77.

I agree about Jane Fonda. GMILF.

Lily Tomlin does look great. Lesbians seem to age better than straight women, has anybody else noticed that? I mean in general, I'm sure there are exceptions.

We said the same thing on the last thread about how great Raquel looked, r23 -- something about a series of winches and levers and pulleys and Spanx deployed over the course of a week to achieve that look.

But I also remember when we had threads about how freakish and Joker-like Christie Brinkley looked, but now she's considered the epitome of natural, great plastic surgery, so tastes change I guess.

[quote]So why do women resort to surgery more than men?

Really?

Women are held to a higher standard, and one million DLers are going to start screaming at me that I'm wrong, but I'm not. Women are expected to look younger than they are and sexy. Not a week goes by that we don't have one thread on here about a woman over the age of 45 who is said to have a "dried up pussy" and being past her expiration date. Actresses in their 50s and older have to look like they're not post-menopausal or else they get nasty comments and lose their ability to get roles, so they add hair to their own thinning locks, use makeup to give them a faux dewy look, get surgery to get rid of the effects of gravity on their faces and breasts, use industrial-strength girdles, etc.

Men don't have that "expiration date" so they don't have to deal with the same problems.

I thought gay men were dead at 35.

If you can't afford the knife, go under the "tape."

[quote]Men don't have that "expiration date" so they don't have to deal with the same problems.

Maybe it's something to do with reproduction.

Also, women look for other qualities in men, especially after middle age.

Probably, R36. A lot of the older stars and rich businessmen marry women in their late 30s or early 40s and start having kids, or like Mick Jagger, never STOP having kids throughout their lives. It's not just rock stars, though -- even Dick Van Dyke married a woman 47 years younger than him, a lady who was 33 when he was 80 and they started dating.

I have no idea how there could be that many women in their 30s and 40s willing to do it with ancient men whose balls must be down to their knees. But it's only been recently that I've seen people start to call out these old guys marrying young women in any significant way.

R33 That's understandable. And sad. Especially for women whose livelihood depends on looking young and beautiful. It reminds one of Blanche in Streetcar.

Obviously things oughtta change so womens worth is not dependent on looks alone.

Men who lose their jobs after 50 find it near impossible to get employment again. I'm sure some resort to steroids and facelifts too.

But you can only hide so much. Tech based societies mean ones skills become obsolete rapidly. Hard to fool anyone for long at the workplace.

Men probably have it harder than women in some ways. They can't marry for money. Except for you know who.

Oh, definitely, in the everyday workplace both men and women get screwed when they're of a certain age. I've taken to shaving a few years off my age myself, and I'm buying better moisturizers and serums and keeping out of the sun, and spending more on my hair. It's a pain in the ass, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

Her lacefront weave is quite obvious, but yeah she looks all right.

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Raquel's surgery is definitely in the top 10, but I do think Christie Brinkley's is beyond amazing. I also find Jane Fonda's pretty spectacular - even though it doesn't make her look that much younger, it certainly makes her look very tidy while still looking older, which is quite a hard look to achieve.

Raquel Welch is in a current , popular movie called "Latin Lover". She's still got it!

Men can't afford to look old or like shit either.

Cher is 70.

I like Michelle Pfeiffer's work.

Diahann Carroll is 81.

Christie Brinkley needs to move on. She is trying way to hard to freeze time in 1985. There has to be a happy medium between Bardot- who I honestly still looks beautiful for an older woman but needs a little help - and being a 60 year old pin up wannabe.

For a long time, Morgan Fairchild was the gold standard for great plastic surgery, but she's crossed the line to that waxy, immobile, moon-faced, "too much Botox and fillers" look.

Loni Anderson is 71.

This bitch owns this thread.

Faye Dunaway has had the worst work of all these woman -- Is it because she's cheap?

YOUTHFUL!

Susan Lucci is too thin. Bernadette Peters looks much better.

Sarandon admitted years ago she had the fat sucked out from under her eyes.

Loni Anderson always looked like she was made from plastic so it's probably easier for her to age since the bar has always been really low for her with regards to 'looking natural' or 'real'.

Dolly Parton had good work up until about 10 years ago where she started overdoing the fillers. She's 71 though so it's not easy to keep trying to look 40-something. There's diminishing returns, and plastic surgeons are too eager to promise to turn back the clock when they realistically are just making someone look odd, not young.

The thing about celebrity plastic surgery is in most cases it looks great when seen on pictures, however it can be quite shocking when you see these people for real.

Jaclyn Smith is also starting to look weird and oversurged, though she too looked great for years.

Are plastic surgeons real doctors? Is it even ethical? It's not a procedure for medical reasons.

Yes they are real doctors r59. Yes it is ethical. Yes it can be a medically required procedure.

The link is about Canniesburn Hospital in Glasgow, Scotland. It was an internationally renowned center for plastic surgery. The maxillofacial and burns units founded to cope with war injured were pioneering. I first heard about this hospital when watching The Boy David, the life story of a badly deformed Peruvian boy taken to Glasgow for reconstructive surgery.

My tasteful state-of-the-art procedures rewarded me with a strappingly built, cute & successful twink to bring to my marital bed.

Christie Brinkley has looked cartoonish in PICS for about 5 years because she has hideous taste in photographers, styling and fashion choices, poses, etc. Its ALL TOO YOUNG.

But she is still radiant in person. She looks old, but fantastic.

Christie has also admitted to have badly thinning hair, she's has been wearing extensions for years. Diane Keaton also has hair loss.

Many women are experiencing alopecia at alarming rates, people in the hair industry are making millions. Even women in their 20s and 30s are experiencing hair loss. Women have many more reasons for hair loss than men.

A close friend is a dermatologist, he sends many of his patients to see hair loss specialists. After running blood tests to see if there's a medical reason, usually a thyroid condition, PCOS or from birth control pills, then, if it's not a medical reason, Rogaine 5% is tried, that only works for small percentage of female hair loss. Rogaine is inconvenient for most people with thinning hair because it makes the hair look worse, dirty and thinner! Especially for women with longer hair.

In the end, most of these women end up buying supplemental hair pieces or they get a weave. Weaves also might not work if the woman has chronic daily hair loss, called Chronic Telogen Effluvium. Hair transplants for women don't have the same success rate as they do for men. Obviously I've learned a lot about hair from my dermatologist friend!

I look at female celebs and can pretty much figure who has hair problems. Nicole Kidman has some form of hair loss, one time I noticed her longer areas of hair were so shiny and healthy compared to the crown and mid section, it was obvious she had extensions. That's another problem women with hairloss face, their hair stylist should be savvy enough to match the extensions texture to the woman's existing bio hair, many times the extensions used are a much healthier type of hair.

Susan Sarandon looks great. Most of the others look ridiculous. At a certain point in your life, you gotta stop trying to look like a babe.

The absolute best is Carmen Dell Orefice. She looks like a beautiful old woman. But contemporary.

Thanks. And what about unnecessary cosmetic surgery R60?

R61, tremendous !

But is it really plastic surgery ? More like dermatological procedures and make up...

Who's the authority to say if it's unnecessary r65? You? Your mailman? The bus driver? What requirements are necessary for you to veto surgery for someone else?

Carmen Dell Orefice has also admitted to having a facelift.

Who is this thread hasn't had some sort of cosmetic surgery or filler procedures? Can anyone name one famous woman who hasn't had any work done, yet still looks fabulous?

We also seem to forget, many of these women have smoked, indulged in drugs and some even continue to drink alcohol. That all shows on anyone's face.

[quote]Carmen Dell Orefice has also admitted to having a facelift.

It's one thing to have your face discreetly tightened, quite another trying to look like you're forever 35.

Interesting, R63. I had telogen effluvium after surgery about a year and a half ago. A ton of hair in the front 1/2 inch of my hairline fell out to the point I was finding little clumps on the floor every so often. It took ages but it grew back on its own, thankfully. Already being in my 40s I was afraid it was going to be permanent.

Well, it will be soon enough, I suppose.

Dee Halls has had good work.

The hairline at Raquel Welch's wig looks like that found on a store mannequin. It might pass in a photo, but imagine seeing that in real life.

Shelia Nevins 78

"Dick Van Dyke married a woman 47 years younger than him, a lady who was 33 when he was 80 and they started dating."

Dick Van Dyke is a chubby fan though never a womanizer or a cradle-robber. He was faithful to his first wife for over 20 years. He then lived with (never married, oddly enough) the infamous Michelle Triola for over 30 years until her death. The younger wife went after him right after Triola's death, and Dick "I can't be alone" Van Dyke caught the bait.

In case you don't know, Michelle Triola was the first person to sue someone (Lee Marvin) for palimony, in the 1970s.

R70, yes, certain forms of hair loss can be the result if trauma to the body and from anesthesia. Unfortunately, in some instances of CTE, it turns into another form of hair loss which in turn becomes permanent. Women usually have a more diffused all over form of hair loss and the overall hair texture becomes finer, men who are balding, their remaining hair stays the same texture it always was.

There are about five different types of alopecia. Unfortunately most dermas are not well versed in hairless, basically they're clueless. Besides blood tests, a good derma usually does a punch biopsy to determine what type of alopecia a person has.

I can't believe people are surprised about the prevalence plastic surgery on a website where thousands of posts are dedicated to criticizing other people's looks (face and body).

R45 That implant in Cher's lower lip or whatever that is looks atrocious. Can't she have that thing fixed?

I agree, r77. I read somewhere its permanent and can't be removed. It ruins her otherwise good surgery.

R22, Bardot has spent her dotage hating on Muslims ad Jews. That's why she looks like that. Bigotry is murder on a girl's complexion.

I remember Welch claiming she didn't have surgery of Botox. She said she used Frownies.

Not sure what she had done, but this is impressive for a fair skinned woman in her 70s (she died at 77). Joan Collins insists she had nothing done, but looks far more operated on than Jackie.

She probably had a facelift given how low her earlobes are relative to her chin.

I think I read here that Joan Collins wears so much makeup that when she does personal appearances, she makes the venue turn down the AC to freezing.

Interesting thing about Dierdre Hall is that she is actually ten years younger than her age on record. Seems that when she first went to see agents as a young teen she had already developed and was told she would only get adult rolls and to avoid child labour laws she'd get more work if she added 10 years to her real age. I believe she was in her mid to late teens when she did Electra Woman and Dyna Girl.

Donna Mills needs to try out for "Sunset Boulevard."

R57 Medical establishment. The state. Some authority. The experts. I don't know, who do you think? You can't leave it to the market

You can't go around wasting medical resources when so many need basic healthcare.

At what point do you say a person has no control over their own appearance r85? Where do you draw the line? Badly plucked eyebrows? Is a cheap looking tattoo a step too far? Who is the ultimate arbiter of what looks right?

As for the waste of resources, do you think those surgeons are suddenly going to start performing lung transplants for free because they've got a bit of spare time now that you're banning people from choosing how they look?

Yes, a number of people have surgery that to my mind looks bad but my aesthetic preferences aren't the deciding factor in what someone else chooses to do. Unless it's a child, who cannot possibly give informed consent for something as permanent as surgery, then it's no one else's business.

R83 I don't believe she is 59 years old.

R87, she isn't.

It's everyone's business R86. Sure, plastic surgeons won't suddenly do lung transplants. But they can do the real reconstructive surgery. And enrollment for plastic surgery will fall off in medical schools. Maybe get more surgeons to do lung transplants instead of more doctors catering to neuroses. We need saner values.

"Hands down. Susan Sarandon. She is 70 but looks 15 - 20 years younger."

So being a huge, major, blood dripping cunt does have its advantages.

Susan like she is every day of 70!

R89 that's a very simplistic and authoritarian view. Are you really advocating a ban on all cosmetic surgery? What if someone's mental health is negatively affected by their dislike of their appearance? Who makes that decision? Who's going to dictate what specialties a doctor can practice? You don't seem to be able to make a cogent argument.

Remember to go to a plastic surgeon and not a cosmetic surgeon.

R92 Therapy is called for not surgery maybe. You call controls authoritarian. I call it regulation. The free hand of the market is not doing anyone any good except for the plastic surgeons.

Oh bore off, R94.

Yours sincerely,

Everyone.

R94 - what country are you posting from and what is the year there?

R95 Serious discussion is boring to the frivolous.

Prefer to turn the discussion ad hominem R96?

I want to know ASAP what cream she is using where she doesn't have that saggy, crepe paper-esque, turkey looking neck. Seriously, your face can be tighter than a virgins twat......the neck is ALWAYS a give away when trying to determine a woman's (and mans) age. Is she like slather her neck and chest pure African Shea butter cuz I need to know. NOW. She looks fucking fabulous.

Don't forget the hands R99. Recently I read where there is an injection into the hands to make them not look as old.

ugh R99 here, way too excited sorry for the bad grammar and MiSsp3llings lol! Sorry to offend my tasteful friends.

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Meg Ryan looks hideous! She should kill herself.

R99, you're asking about whom? Many women have been named thus far.

As usual, the focus is always on women because they are the most obvious and easiest targets. Many don't know (or conveniently forget) that globally, men have increasingly made up a significant percentage of cosmetic and plastic surgery patients for the past couple of decades, and everything I read indicates that those numbers continue to rise.

She is known as Raquel Felch for a reason.

It's not ad hominim, snowflake R98. What country are you in - because clearly you are completely out of touch with anything in the usa with regards to cosmetic surgery or the medical establishment in general. I don't want to waste my time explaining why your comments are moronic and wrong if you are posting from Pakistan....or if you are one of the Russian trolls who strayed off from the Trump threads and ended up here (it's obvious your English is bad and you are not American - so where are you? I promise I won't be able to find you.).

And 2 people clicked WW on my "ad hominem" comment to you ... ha.

So you're not the only one here deficient upstairs R106. If that makes you happy, knock yourself out. I only hope you learn one thing in this exchange: question the basics, the assumed, and the conventional.

R107 - what country are you in? For the third time.

How much experience in healthcare administration have you had? Have you read any books about the USA healthcare system? Do you actually know *anything * about how doctors are educated and chose specialties, how the AMA works, how med school / residency works, or are you just making shit up off the top of your head? You already sound fucking retarded, so I assume you are totally ignorant of all of the above. Am I correct? I can inform you about plenty of other details because I am rather overeducated in this area, but you really aren't worth my time to type any of this out.

Miss thing crying about "ad hominem" (when I asked where you lived) now calls me "deficient upstairs" (which actually is ad hominem). Pathetic. You could've learned something if you actually answered where you lived. Are you that ashamed of whatever shithole you are posting from? Is that why you haven't answered in several hours and over 3 posts and resorted to the (gasp) ad hominem attacks?

How damaged you sound R108. The ugliness of your soul bleeds through the screen. May you find the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding.

R106 What is frightening is you don't know the difference between cosmetic surgery and plastic surgery. There is a distinct difference between the two that you lack knowledge of.

The dumb fuck freak at r94, r98, and r107 - if not a troll - is probably living in a 3rd world country where they don't even have basic healthcare to begin with.

Do you not understand how a free society operates, troll? If someone wants to be an investment banker or hedge fund manger, what are they contribution to the world? Nothing. Tons and TONS of people don't make significant contributions to society while they collect massive paychecks. Why are you focusing on plastic surgeons?? A lot of their work is reconstructive, in many areas - after cancer, in particular. But, this should be "Treated with therapy"? Are you fucking nuts? That doesn't work for most (if not all) people. That's why there is a demand for their services. If they didn't exist, more and more people would go to general surgeons begging for procedures to enhance their looks.

Should we ban makeup too? That's unecessary and oppresses women. The makeup companies could use their resources to send food to poor countries like yours.

Lets ban designer clothes and tailors who make clothes fit nicely too. It's all vanity. We don't need it. Send the cotton and the designs to starving africans, right?

Oh - you're a religious nutter too R109? R108 isn't "damaged" - he's just educated beyond what your Koran or Russian Orthodox bible says, as am I. THERE IS NO GOD either you gullible fucktard.

R110 - Um - no sweetie, I know exactly what you think the difference is... but in practice - the difference isn't as stark as you imagine. You think that correcting deformities is "plastic surgery" and the rest is "cosmetic"? Well, first, correcting deformities is "Reconstructive". If you are talking about board certifications, then yes - plastic is a whole different level to achieve that requires more training than someone claiming to be "cosmetic" surgeon. Did you know any of this? I doubt it. You're the one who doesn't fucking understand. I'm the one with over $20,000 in plastic surgery, fillers, and botox over 15 years, as well as a reconstructive procedure due to cancer - so I think I fucking know - thanks. Fuck off now kindly.

R110 - do regale us with your knowledge of the difference between "plastic" and "cosmetic" surgery. I guess it's cheating now since you've had an answer from r112, but your "warning" to only see a plastic surgeon is laughable. Yes, everyone knows to see a board certified plastic surgeon. Some people refer to cosmetic surgery to differentiate it from reconstructive, which appears to be the point above. This is not that complicated. Anyway, please regale us with your knowledge. I'm waiting.

Have I dispatched with all the uneducated morons, bible/koran thumpers, and loons? Oh my. Too easy. When will uneducated, ignorant, people (and religious freaks) every act humble about THINGS THEY DO NOT KNOW OR UNDERSTAND??

WHEN??

You are too stupid for words R113. Anyone Dr. can claim they are a cosmetic surgeon.

*Any

You are talking about board certifications, so be fucking clear about that rather than your vague 1/2 sentence posts. This was already clarified by R112, so why would I repeat it. I was further clarifying that some use it to distinguish between a cosmetic PROCEDURE and a reconstructive PROCEDURE. Why is that so confusing?

[quote]If you are talking about board certifications, then yes - plastic is a whole different level to achieve that requires more training than someone claiming to be "cosmetic" surgeon.

Already stated. Not by you either.

Also note, R115 - I used the word SURGERY, not surgeon. Board certified plastic surgeons do "cosmetic surgery". That is a fact. Do you know any? Have you worked with any? Do you work for the ASPS? How many years have you been a plastic surgery patient?

If none of the above applies to you, shut the fuck up.

I don't know what R115's problem is with R113. You accused me (R112) of not knowing the difference, which I proved wrong in more detail than you've provided. And then you attack R113 for no reason? Is there a bug up your ass at 2 am for some reason?

How much work have you had and why is this difference so meaningful to you personally? Or, are you just spewing something you heard on oprah 10 years ago, trying to sound like you're educated in a field you know nothing about?

Calm down. Fits can't be too good for your 20K surgeries and fillers - can't keep track of the post numbers but you know who I mean.

This is almost enough to make me think people who opt for cosmetic surgery and procedures that can't be done at the nail salon should undergo therapy and psychiatric evaluation. Like with gender reassignment cases. Just so they dont harm themselves.

Fuck off you idiot R118. There is a distinct difference between a plastic surgeon (surgery) and a cosmetic surgeon (surgery). Any doctor can claim they are a cosmetic surgeon.

For all the morons posting on this thread trying to pretend you know something, please answer the questions you were asked: How much work have you had and why is this difference so meaningful to you personally? Or, are you just spewing something you heard on oprah 10 years ago, trying to sound like you're educated in a field you know nothing about?

I know tons of plastic surgeons (board certified) - they refer to their work as plastic surgery but (you can see on their websites) "cosmetic procedures" listed clearly - just google for 10 minutes - it's not so hard. It's rare to even find someone calling themselves a "cosmetic surgeon" unless you are in some flyover or backwater town where the GP has decided to do boob jobs for an extra 5k a week.

Tell them about your penile injections. Did they use real plastic?

[quote]This is almost enough to make me think people who opt for cosmetic surgery and procedures that can't be done at the nail salon should undergo therapy and psychiatric evaluation. Like with gender reassignment cases. Just so they dont harm themselves.

Yeah good luck implanting that. Do you think through your random shower thoughts before you type them out? Let me walk you through your suggestion... First, do you know how many PS cases there are in a given DAY? Thousands. And, it's expensive enough without paying a psychologist $500 (who will almost universally say "yes" or a determined enough person will find a psychologist who will) The surgeon themselves can screen people for unrealistic expectations and psychiatric issues well enough. Plenty of people with BDD still go through with surgery and it is a small percentage. Plenty of surgeons screen them out and decline to operate on them. They don't want to deal with the hassle of a crazy BDD patient, either. So, there is generally no mental illness in people who want to look younger or have their giant hook noses reduced since 90% of normal people who are going through aesthetic surgery for typical reasons. That being said (and here's a shock) nobody who has plastic surgery is doing it because they are confident and secure with whatever feature they are changing. That's the whole point.

I'm calm as I need to be honey - my sucked out fat cells can't grow back, and my nose is perfectly symmetrical, straight, and angular. It won't change with my mood... but I guess you think it might change colors?

Wow - the same person who said

[quote]How damaged you sound R108. The ugliness of your soul bleeds through the screen. May you find the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding.

Is now saying

[quote]Tell them about your penile injections. Did they use real plastic?

Shouldn't you be praying to the lord and eating out your bible rather bringing up genital surgery? Haven't you found peace of God? Doesn't He say it's wrong to try to demean people who felt insecure about their penis size so they had it augmented (which isn't me, but I fully defend whoever wants to do it).

Raquel looks like what Caitlyn believes she looks like.

Oy vey R124. Dont take it so personally. I didn't know you had had a shitload of procedures when we started "talking".

R124 did have his skinny dick injected. We know all about your nosejob and grafts, your fillers and fat injections, the burn that nasty surgeon left on you and your medical "expertise." You are a malingerer, nut job, OCD dysmorphic with a conversion disorder. No plastic or even cosmetic surgeon will ever go near you again. Not on this continent. Your medical "knowledge" is part of your sickness for which there is a name. We are all weak vessels. I pray for your healing. Didn't you have hair transplants too angel?

Wow R127... so Christian of you. Something doesn't quite sound like you're "praying" for anyone... I wonder why that could be?

Why would you connect so many disparate posts about plastic surgery that have been posted (over years?) on this board, and assume they are the same person... and all factual / not ESTs (which is an even bigger stretch)?

Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your heart be troubled; do not be afraid.

Google "Zetaboards I am 99 percent sure Datalounge mods owners stalk and harass posters"

It was just proven by R127, if those things are all true about that poster. There is NO other way to connect all of that to one person, if it's not being done on the back end. If that's all true, you are seriously fucked up...far more than someone who has had several plastic surgery procedures / bad medical experiences. This is quite fucked up.

[quote]The thing about celebrity plastic surgery is in most cases it looks great when seen on pictures, however it can be quite shocking when you see these people for real.

I saw Susan Lucci in person about 8-9 years ago. I was horrified at how she looks. First of all, she's so scary thin she's skeletal-looking. It's also very obvious that she has had numerous surgical procedures. wears entirely too much makeup and probably has little hair under her Dallas-size big hair wig. She was the fakest looking human being I've ever seen, so I'm not sure her surgery is all that great.

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Kate Beckinsale owns this thread. She is in her 40s and still looks like twenty-something. Amazing surgery or good genetics?

[quote]Jaclyn Smith is also starting to look weird and oversurged, though she too looked great for years.

I always thought she was far more beautiful than Farrah Fawcett back in the 1970's.

Diedra Hall at 69!

couple of you cunts above know how to derail a thread. bravo

Who knew that this would devolve into a breakfast sausage lasagna/ pasta draining level bicker fest?

Good ol' Data Lounge. Any topic worth discussing is worth a good hair pulling fight.

That is blasphemy about Susan Lucci! She looks like a college girl.

Some can look great without any plastic surgery.

Je suis 100% naturel.

What men and women go through now to have quality plastic surgery is amazing. I think maybe a brow lift and some laser work should be enough. There's no way you can make the rest of the skin on your body look like the dewy, baby-soft skin on your face so there's always going to be that contrast. Especially in direct sunlight. I have compassion for them though. They don't want to let people down. They been told they're beautiful all their lives. They want to look good for people. Christie Brinkley should stop right now. She's good. Poor girl's been through enough in life. Didn't she have like two fiancees die on her? And then she hooked up with that sleaze in the Hamptons who was sleeping with a 17-year-old. Still, she's classic. The original. And from all accounts a good mom.

[quote]Raquel looks like what Caitlyn believes she looks like.

Yeah, I agree (see pic) ... what's up with Caitlyn? She's still the same old grumpy grandpa from the Kardashians, sitting on the couch and whining about how nobody pays any attention to his needs. She hasn't changed much (any?) of her male persona and it's like she couldn't care less. " I'll just feminize the outside. That should be enough for them. I'm a rich white republican lady. And yes, the shoes and bag are Gucci."

R130, I think it's more likely that they're someone who just remembers that plastic surgery troll we had a few months ago. Pretty much the same fight that's happening in this thread happened on that old thread, and probably with the same people. Just people holding grudges, no nefarious moderators required.

Can't touch this.

Jane darling, Daphne called. She wants her expression back.

What about the best male plastic surgery?

R65, plastic surgery for cosmetic reasons is paid for by the people getting these procedures.

For many years plastic surgeons were asked to lie about a nose job being needed due to a 'deviated septum'. One assumes the health insurance companies became hip to that lie. I doubt all these plastic surgery procedures celebs get are covered 100% by their health insurance policies. Most are wealthy enough to pay 100% out of pocket.

Surely, the plastic surgeons doing these surgeries are also making time for people who were born deformed, were severely injured in accidents or became deformed because of cancer surgery etc.

Brad Pitt.

[quote]Surely, the plastic surgeons doing these surgeries are also making time for people who were born deformed, were severely injured in accidents or became deformed because of cancer surgery etc.

Operation Smile.

Kate Beckinsale looks awful. It's apparent she has a whole new face, she looks frozen. She's in her 40s and thought she needed all that work? Celebs are very insecure people or else, extremely shallow. Or both.

Unless the body looks as fresh and young as the face, most savvy people do notice when someone has done a lot to their face. Crepey skin usually gives away the person's real age.

In some instances, the plastic surgery can be very aging, Sting's wife Trudie Styler, had two facelifts, still has Botox and other procedures, she looks to be well into her 70s! She's 63.

At two years, Trudie was severely injured due to being hit by a van, she had facial surgeries as child and had facial scars during her youth, the operations lasted until she was 18, but it seems the face lifts are what has aged her. She's also had breast implants. When she started dating Sting, she was very attractive. Sting had a nose job sometime in the 1980s.

An amuse-bouche of a celebrity encounter. A few years ago I was shopping at the Beverly Center in Los Angeles. I went into some shop and was just casually walking around when I spotted a woman in a trench coat, with the coat's label turned up, a scarf around her head AND a baseball cap on (so cliche of a disguise, it was ridiculous.) Mind you this is LA and it was summer, so the fact someone was wearing a trench coat in this weather screamed, "I'm a celebrity trying to disguise myself, but really I want the attention". So i walk around the store trying to get a look at this mysterious lady and after a couple of look-sees, it turns out to be Raquel Welch.

Guys, in real life her face is so overworked it looked awful. She barely has a nose, her face is stretched beyond human recognition. It was sad to see such a lovely beauty ruin her face like that.

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you likey?

Oh God, that photo of poor Jane Fonda at R143.

That nude colored nylon sheath covering her skin....are we supposed to be fooled by that?

[quote]What about the best male plastic surgery?

George Clooney

Jane's plastic surgery includes a chin implant late in life to deal with jowls. She is desperate to look taut but doesn't like fillers. So there's that. She was a very fine looking woman until about 75, but looked her mature best with much less work in her sixties. Not to herself I guess. Jane likes to look sexy, don't fool yourself. Remember her updos and huge tits when she was with Ted Turner? Comes an age to not try to appear sexy. Fonda is more fucked up than your average vain or delusional celebrity. She is awake about life and her neuroses but makes little personal progress. Pretty sad at 79 years old. She looks frightened. And sad. That's okay, but surgery won't help it.

She looks a lot better than 99.9% of 79 year olds, R155.

Sophia, bless her heart, has hit the wall, although at 82 she's entitled. A better wig would help.

Yes, R156. Jane looks good in some kinda doyennish way. She certainly does NOT look better than 99% of women her age. Lots of 79 year olds with no plastic surgery look happy and vital with smiling eyes, cool jewelry, colorful clothes and nourished skin. Fonda looks hungry, brittle, unhappy and uncomfortable. She is self conscious - get it?No matter how "good" she looks for her age.

Britt Ekland and Honor Blackman, from a few years ago.

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Aged 88

Jeez I don't think Jane is nearly as messy as some of you just claimed. But sure, she's had body image challenges all her life.

As for the nude effect with the gown, I find it classy on an old lady. Its for photography especially and the illusion is pretty good. Nobody thinks she is trying to "fake" anything. If you look at the Dolly pic I posted, you can see she is wearing net on her HANDS. A bit bejewelled. How clever. Really photographs well (meaning very subtly).

Dolly really ought to have a net for her décolleté, if you ask me. But fine, I dont really care if old dolly wants to show crepey skin on her massive rack. Think of the hydraulics and fabric strength required to keep those girls high.

Wait. How old is honor Blackman? Just how old was she when she was a Bond girl??

Honor Blackman is the same ag as the Queen.

She was a year or two older than Connery, just under 40.

[quote]Fonda looks hungry, brittle, unhappy and uncomfortable.

Sounds like you're describing your hole.

[quote]You are a malingerer, nut job, OCD dysmorphic with a conversion disorder. No plastic or even cosmetic surgeon will ever go near you again. Not on this continent. Your medical "knowledge" is part of your sickness for which there is a name. We are all weak vessels. I pray for your healing. Didn't you have hair transplants too angel?

Who the fuck are you to even assume these things are all written by me, first of all R127? Someone posted that they were mad they got burned by a doctor? When was that and why can't they be mad that a doctor burned them during a surgery exactly? I was able to google the other posts (I think), and they span a 2+ year period. So, unless you are working for Mediapolis, there is no way you can possibly memorize and tie posts (over that long of a period) to one poster. If you do, that is quite disturbing that they'd let their employees dig through posts like that, which are assumed to be submitted anonymously. But, maybe we can settle this once and for all. And no, "writing style" and "forgetting to clear cookies" is not going to cut it when there are tens of thousands of posts over a 2 year period.

Oh, and honey I can go into any plastic surgeons office any day of the week...and I'll go in looking better than you and leave looking better than you. So, sorry you are wrong about that - big time. I guess your jealousy (for being old and hideous) was the reason for that screed, but sadly it's all misplaced. Fix your face & fix your body - then maybe you won't be so angry at people who are younger and more attractive than you. Also, you must have a tiny dick due to your obsession with my supposed penis enlargement.

And if you supposedly know what all my posts are, you know what my medical background is, and it's not from being a patient, only. So, as a medical professional, let me tell you to please save the internet armchair psychiatric diagnoses for your own mirror, dear. You have never met me, yet you have enacted an elaborate delusional fantasy about a series of posts (made over a 2 year period) and assigned them to me, bizarrely. So... I'm sorry, I am not the crazy delusional one in this "argument" - over what, I don't even know anymore.

All the old ladies get my respect for trying so hard, except the cow Sarandon who never should open her yap again. But the sheer effort they go to is impressive and for fossil sex symbols they look ok.

I look at the alternative in Jamie Lee Curtis who was handed a smokin bod and could have kept herself fresh enough , she wasn't a beauty but she definitely had appeal, but she decided to be lazy and ugly herself up on purpose as she ages. Big disappointment in her going to the opposite extreme.

Jamie Lee Curtis is gender fluid - maybe that has something to do with it?

Is she still Lady Hadley-Guest then? Or she is Lord Hadley-Guest like her husband?

I think Jamie Lee Curtis is gorgeous. And no, whatever the fuck you think "gender fluid" describes, she has never claimed to be anything but what she is - female.

What she claims and identifies versus what she has long rumoured to be. I dont say that out of disrespect. Who's to know. Its a debate nowadays of course - can we self-identity or is there something basic when you shoot out of mommy's womb?

*self-identify

Wow, Honor Blackman looks incredible for 92. Does she still act?

Her last credit is a 2015 sitcom with the dishy Tony Head.

R172 if she has a chromosomal disorder - and that is a big if, it is only a rumor - then that isn't the same as playing at being a boy one day and a girl the next.

Your biological sex isn't a matter of feelz or identity, its fact. Verifiable, provable biological fact. Whatever you claim to be may or may not be a match for the unalterable, immutable fact of biology.

[quote]As for the nude effect with the gown, I find it classy on an old lady.

Uh....I think you're a bit confused as to what the word "classy" means.

I chose my adjective accurately.

Great example of good, subtle surgery.

Rita Moreno, age 85, claims no surgery. Except for her godawful choices in wigs, she definitely looks a few decades younger.

LOVE Rita Moreno!!!!!

My best friend works in a plastic surgeon's office. And he tells me that just about every person in the public eye; be it actor/celebrity/politician/newscaster has to have cosmetic work done. Regardless of age, it's part of our modern culture to look good, i.e. young. For older people, they've already have had surgical plastic surgeries that involved cutting like face lifts, eye lifts etc. But many plastic surgeons/dermatologists are moving away from the knives and for most younger celebrities it's all about working with fillers, botox, laser, etc.

Lasers are huge, you don't hear about it much but the various types of lasers available out there can do amazing things to keep you looking young and vital. Also for those you can afford it, you sit down with your doctor and come up with a 5-year plan, 10-year plan, 15-year plan, etc.

That's why some celebs seem to defy aging. They've been working on staying young since they WERE actually very young.

R179, WTF is that thing on Mickey Rourke's head, a lace WIG? Some of these celebs don't even try to look normal.

Al Pacino also wears some sort of fright wig and John Travolta wears a full glued on wig.

My hairdresser friends always joke about all these rich celebs and their oh-so-obvious hair pieces, even some women can't get their hair loss situations together! There's an entire industry based around supplemental hair, with many high end expert hairstylists whose main focus is realistic supplemental hair, yet so many celebs wear extremely obvious hairpieces.

I think Curtis has aged very well. She looks comfortable in her own skin. She's not trying to compete with 25 year olds. She accepts herself.

I also think Fonda looks good for someone who's fighting age. I'm not a huge fan of that nude illusion dress, but most of her outfits don't have that and are age appropriate. Her plastic surgery looks good. She doesn't look entirely comfortable in her skin. Her mother had an eating disorder and committed suicide and her dad wasn't emotionally available. Jane's doing the best she can with those demons.

Now I remember who she reminds me of.

Fresh!

I had an aunt who was a dental assistant at Raquel Welch's dental office in BH. She was alway tense when Raquel had an appointment because she was a very difficult patient.

quel surprise

Stevie Nicks is almost 69. She looks great.

Tippi Hendren 87,

Jane Fonda and Lily Tomlin make fun of themselves and their ages on "Grace and Frankie"

And they make me laugh like hell about it - no matter how much work they've had done....

I agree, R184, Fonda has done some amazing things with her life and she's been demonized and hated since the 1970s...

Disapprove of her all you like - she's defining her own life

Fonda is one very unhappy old lady. I like her - she's intelligent and has occasionally tried to live a life of purpose. She gave a couple of the great screen performances ever. She concentrates on things briefly, but examines them endlessly. There are far MORE intelligent and objective commentators on the pressures of aging, plastic surgery and the invisibility of the OLD. Jane is OLD. Get it. She's OLDER than my mother by more than a decade. DL has its own rules. Fonda looks OLD, but with a great team of surgeons and stylists. She sounds like the old Liz Taylor in interviews. Two or three words with lots of hesitations. She's put together but is a much diminished Jane Fonda. Time to hang up the surgeon's phone you frivolous crazy bitch. What your mommy and daddy did is no excuse for looking stupid. I can understand the vulnerability of being photographed close up on red carpets and in her case, the vomiting fawning press, talking about how "sexy" she is. Don't be stupid. 80 year olds are not designed to be sexy and should not be pressured to appear sexy. 80 year olds can be many other positive and joyful things to behold. SEXY is a fucking LIE.

Not all old people feel confident in how they look. Fonda is decades too old and privileged to be still hurting over the loss of daddy's approval. She's extremely vain and insecure, looks better now because she has always fashioned her look on what man's influence she was under. She is a feminist in spoken values only. She has lived like a rag doll for men and has been trying to appear a sexpot her whole life. It's gross now. Far more gross than Dolly or Cher who know they have a problem with aging and can laugh about it. Fonda gives 75 year old broads a bad name and 60 year old fags hope. They see that some work sometimes looks good on a superfit, constantly deprived and genetically beautiful woman. That human seldom looks happy though. To me she's sad. The surgery won't end her, it's all dust. Read her book. How did that woman do this to herself and why?

But she looks a lot better than your mother, R191.

Tasteful friends, thought DL might be interested in this....

Obviously a case of severe body dysmorphia.

[quote]Fonda is one very unhappy old lady.

[quote] She's extremely vain and insecure...She is a feminist in spoken values only. She has lived like a rag doll for men and has been trying to appear a sexpot her whole life.

R191, why do you pull all of crap out of ass and post it? This is not the first time, either. Nobody is interested in an amateur psychoanalysis of someone that you've never met on a thread about plastic surgery. Can you get that through your head, sweetie?

[quote]We know all about ... the burn that nasty surgeon left on you

Really? "We" all know? Who is "we" - R127?

That post was made in February of 2015. The thread turned into a bunch of personal attacks within hours, so I emailed Mediapolis and asked them to delete it. I still have the email, and I am guessing you do too. Otherwise, how on earth would you (a) remember that thread from 2.5 years ago and (b) know that was me now in this thread - when there have been 100,000+ posts in 2.5 years by 1000s of people? I never even said it was a plastic surgeon or had anything to do with plastic surgery. My writing style isn't that distinct. Your memory can't be that good.

The only explanation is that you working for Mediapolis then & using my contribution code or IP address on the back end to see what other things I have posted in the past. So, would you care to come out and admit it then? I am not going to even address the other comments about penis enlargements or nose jobs, because 1 post from 2.5 years ago (that was deleted within 2 days) is enough to raise suspicions.

It's creepy as fuck for one thing, but mostly it raises a lot of privacy questions for this board.

R194. It's the truth. That's why. Don't call me sweetie dysmorphic fool. People more concerned with the world and human complexity and less obsessed with plastic surgery already know this about Jane Fonda. She has written her own manifesto. If you can remove yourself from sleepless internet searches you could incrementally attempt to read a book. Christ you're a moron. R194.

Thanks R196 - You took the bait. I cleared my cookies before posting at R195, but of course my IP and contribution code are the same. So, nobody can claim "another poster connected the dots" - when you called me a "dysmorphic fool" again (as you did in R127 - you have not cleared YOUR cookies). So, as stated multiple times (like R195) it is obvious you are working for Mediapolis and can see back end info on my posts which you are using to harass me and have used to harass others. You should've left out "dysmorphic fool" but I guess you couldn't help yourself. Too many anger problems...so sad.

This goes way beyond even using the ignore feature. You also just dug up a post that was deleted in 2/2015. I don't know how much visibility this will get, but maybe it'll help accelerate the slow and painful death of this dreary website. In the meantime, I'll take my beautiful dick and nose elsewhere (that you've apparently obsessed about for years). And that is BEAUTIFUL, sweetie, not dysmorphic.

My position and profession don't allow me to comment further on your situation R195/R197. Take your nose and dick prosthetic and flea, flea on your donkey R197. Never let me hold you back. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. Let your leaving be joyful, may you never return!

I thought you accused me of having injections, not a prosthetic. Which is it?

lol your "position" - doggy style?

Why do you make yourself sound so erudite in your posts about celebs (R191) and then devolve into your crazy "Lord" and "God" bullshit (R109, R198, etc)... is this some weird way of trolling people? It's quite bizarre.

You fucked up in dragging up the content of an email I sent to Mediapolis 2.5 years ago. They removed the post about the doctor who burned me within a couple days...and yet you mentioned it in R127. There is no way anyone else would've known that story from 2.5 years ago or known I am the one posting. Period. End of story. So, you can keep ignoring this, but I'll keep posting it.

Re Bardot:

"She has deliberately destroyed her image as a sex symbol by refusing cosmetic surgery, dressing badly and, after giving away her Saint Tropez villa to her foundation, living in a small house surrounded by rescued animals, a rusty Renault 4L and a broken down Range Rover."

and:

‘When you live such intense moments as I have done there is always a bill to pay,’ she said, revealing that just before she retired she drank two bottles of champagne and three bottles of wine a day."

She probably still does and that accounts for her permanent bad temper.

Fire devoured his young man, and his virgins had no wedding songs.

R68 Diane Keaton is the only major star I can think of who has really had no plastic suregery. I would hardly say she looks "hot" or fantastic - she very much looks her age - but I would say that she looks great for her age, or rather that the age "suits" her very well.

Except for her teeth - she has really old caps that she should have gotten replaced. But if you ignore that, she looks great.

Also about the pictures vs in person - I actually disagree. Obvious surgeries (or facial flaws) that high def camera so cruelly pick up on - in person/real life don't look nearly as bad. Even Meg Ryan in person doesn't look nearly as freakish as in pictures where we can zero in on every mistake.

So when do these old lady sexpots quit ? Or do you just keep nipping and tucking and filling-in and adding implants until you're a hundred?

R203 Diane Keaton quite clearly has had work done, she's just had less than the others.

R205 I really really don't think so. She's not like a Streep or Sarandon who has had no obvious signs of surgery but obviously can't look as good as they do without subtle work ... girl looks old, ok? Older than my mother who's older and has had no surgery. She has the jowls and tons of wrinkles and in person she looks even older. What could she possibly have had done? That's one person I totally believe has had nothing.

But even though she looks every second of her age she still looks good. She just carries it off very well.

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R207 Something weird is going on there. Looks like he's had fillers put in his cheeks, too. But for someone who has had work done, he's got an awful lot of wrinkles around his eyes.

Diane Keaton was on Dr. Oz a few years ago, she was literally crying about losing her hair. She told Mehmet that it took forever for the hairstylist to do her hair before she came out for the interview.

I know she's a loon, but is she completely nuts? Why doesn't she get extensions or at least wear a Topper piece to blend in with her bio chair? These women are super wealthy, there's no excuse. Ironically, she's the spokesperson for a L'Oreal hair dye. Ridiculous!

To begin with, Diane never had good hair to begin with, why would a company hire her to promote any hair product, especially when there are so many female celebs who actually have great natural hair, such as Connie Britton.

Don't forget me!

Trust me folks. I've studied this. I know what I'm doing.

2017...

r211 and r212 -- Aniston is a perfect example of what I wrote above, she's got a doctor that's working on a 5, 10, 15-year plan. Everything is scheduled, just a little bit at a time and it looks natural and you keep your youthful looks.

BTW: IF you're ever considering going under the knife for plastic surgery, go to Rio de Janeiro. Best surgeons in the world. You will not end up with the same pulled face that all that "Housewives of Wherever the Fuck," look; too tight, eye lids overdone, lips overdone etc.

In Brazil, it is common for middle-class men and women to have work done and the end results are age appropriate and natural. 20 years ago, my mom had a facelift, tummy tuck, and some other work in Rio and today at 83 she looks like a senior citizen, but the surgery improved skin tone and bone structure. She constantly gets compliments on her looks for a woman her age. She's was not and is still not trying to look "younger" just fresher, which she achieved with her Doctor in Rio. But then again, she is not an actress in which her looks/youth are a factor in getting work, i understand Fonda and company, it the mentality of Hollywood. Ciao.

How did your mom find her doctor in Rio? How long did she have to stay there?

Sorry, that was meant for R213

Can someone explain Calvin Klein?

r214, ---- r213 here, my mom had her work done through the auspices of Dr. Pitanguy's clinic in Rio. She was not operated by the master himself but one of his associates. If I remember correctly, the clinic works on a sliding scale as to what you can pay, or at least they used to.

And when you see some celeb and swear they never had any work done - wrong. they did, and they did it in Rio, probably with Dr. Pitanguy or one of his associates.

do not confuse sugery with airbrushing.

R191 has to be the biggest asshole on the planet!

Oleda Baker, a former model and beauty expert, is 83. Her work is amazing—inappropriately young, yes, but she doesn't look ridiculous like, say, Mamie Van Doren. I'm sure she doctors her photos too, but even so she looks fantastic.

Wayne Newton

She's lied about her age for years, she's 84.

I'd like to see good examples of male plastic surgery. It seems like if they just opted to suck the fat from under their eyes and do something with their neck, they'd look fine, but they almost always go for full face lifts and/or those awful fillers.

Susan Sarandon looks good

George Lopez looks seriously good, small nips and tucks here and there, looks great for being in his 50's.

I haven’t had any plastic surgery, I’m just the example that many, many unattractive women use as a reference when they get plastic surgery......it’s flattering if not realistic of them

Raquel doesn't seem to have any lucrative product endorsements, skin care lines or perfumes. Why?

She has her wig collection and she still wants to work!

Meryl Streep, Helen Mirren

R79 Raquel is a religious right republican who hangs out with other bigots like Pat Robertson on his 700 Club show.

She is an extreme right wing bitch so what is your excuse for her?