HOLY FUCKING SHIT! ROSEANNE BEING REVIVED

No thank you.

Which Becky are they going to use?

Didn't the show end with her and Dan splitting up?

Good. Ive been watching reruns on LAFF and miss it. It ended poorly but early/mid years were very good. I hope they bring back the first Becky.

Isn't Goodman's character dead?

[quote]Isn't Goodman's character dead?

HE'S FINE, HE SENDS HIS LOVE!

Oh good. Now the millennial deplorables can enjoy the same shit their parents and grandparents loved so much.

All name calling aside, I liked the show and watched it, but not regularly. I was much younger and I was tending to more important things at the time, like getting drunk, getting laid, or snorting some excellent cocaine.

Barr said Dan faked his death. She already revealed how she would bring it back. Mark would have died in Iraq. Roseanne and Jackie would be pot farmers, etc.

I'm all for these 90s revivals, The Hollywood Reporter lists them and confirms this story now, but Barr is a Trump supporting nut. I know the people who made Roseanne would be behind this revival and not her boyfriend, but still.

R7, Millennials grew up with Roseanne.

They need to get that Married with Children reboot going. I need to see Peg Bundy again. lmao

I'll watch this because I loved the early seasons of the show. I don't have high hopes, though. Roseanne is one of those people who needs strong executives to contain her chaotic creative impulses. I don't see that happeneing here.

R10, you're right! I think that's one revival they could pull off with great results.

I want to see Estelle Parsons.

Thank God! I need money!

I want Estelle Parsons in my quite deeply.

In your what, R14? Your gall bladder?

[quote] Oh good. Now the millennial deplorables can enjoy the same shit their parents and grandparents loved so much.

Fuck you, R7!! I'm a millennial!!!

From the article, Roseanne gave an update on where the characters might be in a revival.

[quote]David leaving Darlene for a woman half his age;

Didn't the finale rewrite the show's history making Mark Darlene's boyfriend?

I tried to forget most of that last season.

Would Roseanne and Dan Conner have voted Trump or Hillary? What about Jackie? Becky? Darlene?

I hope Nancy is a regular so Sandra B will never have to emcee pron awards again.

R7 shouldn't start drinking so early in the day. It makes her uglier.

But R16 needs to understand that being a millennial is nothing to be proud of.

Somebody should beat R20 with Roseanne and Jackie's father's beltstrap.

David should marry Molly Tilden. That would really piss off Darlene.

Go look at Roseanne's Twitter account. She's still posting Obama conspiracy theories. She'll end up sinking this deal once her bullshit doesn't fly with the writers.

This will not end well.

The thing that worked about the show was that it felt fairly realistic. I've been in many living rooms that looked like theirs. The last season went off the rails though. She has full on lost her mind at this point, I don't see how she pulls off a working class everywoman at this point.

[quote] They need to get that Married with Children reboot going. I need to see Peg Bundy again. lmao

That's not happening while [italic]Modern Family[/italic] is still going on.

This will end in tears. And that's just the writing staff leaving.

Tramp's Roseanne is not one I am interested in.

Would they have the original writers? If not, they might be risking a Life With Lucy-level meltdown.

I only liked the first couple seasons of rosanne in the 80s.

I actually think this is a great idea in Trump's America.

Even if this did go, her crazy would eventually sink it.

My bitchy comment about this made "You Said It!" on Deadline. (righthand column scroll down)

Roseanne isn't a "Trump nut" in the sense of being Republican -- that's a total misrepresentation. Her views are more along the lines of Susan Sarandon, i.e., I'd rather vote for Trump to send a message to the Dems rather than vote in another neoliberal like Hillary.

She's quite progressive on many topics. She's left-of-left and setting aside the really batshit crazy/incoherent stuff she sometimes spouts off now that she's a bit older, a lot of her views make sense to me, or did at one point (anti-military intervention, pro-labor rights, anti-corporatization of healthare and government, decriminalize all drugs, etc. etc.).

Some loon is claiming this show was for deplorables?

The tone and political content were the complete opposite.

Legally, would the original creator/ producer and writer on the show get anything from this? Weren't they fired during season 1 when Roseanne had a hissy fit?

I picture DJ living in Roseanne's basement, spending all of his time on alt.right subreddits and playing Warcraft.

It is hilarious reading the comments on the Yahoo story about this. People getting upset that they are making Darlene gay and upset that "another liberal" getting a job and pushing liberal propaganda.

I'm shocked dan goodman is doing this.

I thought he was enjoying a third act these days on film

Darlene's character always seemed gay, just closeted. Plenty of lesbians date guys when they are young.

How exactly are they going to do this? I thought the series finale made quite clear that Dan had died (and that the entire last season had just been part of a book Roseanne had been writing), so I don't know how, unless Dan will appear only as a ghost, they intend to do new episodes featuring John Goodman. And speaking of Goodman, I seem to recall reading that he was quite miserable on the show the last couple of seasons, so if true I'm a bit shocked that he was willing to agree to come back for this update (since we all know he's never exactly lacked for work). Perhaps they're offering him a shitload of money too good to turn down.

[quote]I picture DJ living in Roseanne's basement, spending all of his time on alt.right subreddits and playing Warcraft.

I guess the rumor that Darlene will now be gay means they wouldn't make DJ gay instead (which is Roseanne had reportedly wanted to do with him in the final season).

Wasn't everyone gay by the last season?

Hopefully, they'll start with Roseanne writing that awful postscript from the finale and then suddenly wake up in bed with Suzanne Pleshette's corpse.

Wasn't Jackie supposed to be gay instead of the mother?

I think it's a great idea

R43 made me laugh so hard.

R41, go to the Wikipedia, go to Spin-offs and you'll find out. Roseanne already explained. Among other things, Dan faked his death, Mark died in Iraq and so on.

I mean, go to Wikipedia and look up the show.

Who's Dan Goodman?

Wasn't Mark already too old by the end of the show to have ended up in Iraq? Late 20s, no?

R49:

The alter ego of John Connor

R36 there is only one creator. Everyone already get syndication money.

Nothing about the mark healey character suggests he would enlist to fight in Iraq

[quote]I actually think this is a great idea in Trump's America.

Because its star is a Trump supporter?

OK, let's say Mark was mid-20s when the show ended in 97. He enlisted in his early 30s to go fight in Iraq in 03?

I don't think so.

Didn't she make Jackie gay?

[quote] Roseanne isn't a "Trump nut" in the sense of being Republican -- that's a total misrepresentation. Her views are more along the lines of Susan Sarandon, i.e., I'd rather vote for Trump to send a message to the Dems rather than vote in another neoliberal like Hillary.

That's not true st all. She explicitly supports Trump and Breitbart, despises liberals and liberalism, is pro-gun, pro-Fox News, etc. She is NOT like Cunt Susan. She's worse.

I'm only in if Ted Nugent does a guest turn as the tranny lover of Ziggy...

If Roseanne isn't a producer on this then it will turn into a shit storm real fast

Isn't a producer? You mean if she IS, right? Cause giving her control is always a bad idea. At any rate, yes, she is co-producer of this. Read the fucking article.

LAME!

I loved this show back in the day, but I just can't see a revival working at all. They could just ignore the entire last season I suppose. But it still would be shit.

I couldn't ever get past the Becky re-casting. I get that the original actress didn't want to come back, but they completely changed the character in really stupid ways. It made no sense. The original Becky was much more interesting.

[quote]That's not happening while Modern Family is still going on.

The Married...with Children spin-off is a limited series that focuses on Bud Bundy with the rest of the cast making ongoing cameos a la Fuller House. The cast has already agreed to it.

I don't see the point.

But if they have to, it seems ridiculous that Dan "faked his death." She'd e better off either ignoring the last episode all together or saying that her writing the story about the last season being a story was in itself a story she made up.

Real life actor who played hot Mark (Glenn Quinn) is dead (RIP), so it makes sense that they'd have to kill his character off...

[quote]I only liked the first couple seasons of rosanne in the 80s.

It was on for like a season and a half in the 80s. It was essentially a 90s show.

I like the idea that goodman faked his own death to get away from the tubby harpie

The first 2 seasons were very mild and bland.. if I'm remembering correctly, it wasn't until seasons 3 and 4 that Roseanne really became a quality show.. and then around 1994 it started going downhill?

Dusting off my "I'M A BIG OL' DYKE" bumper sticker!

R62, Sarah Chalk had no edge to her the way Lecy did. Sarah was like a girl next door on the show which isn't what the character was. It was an odd recast.

Isn't this really just a creative way to do a stealth GoFundMe to help little DJ stop hustling?

What will happen with Jerry?

They also made the character an airhead, which she had never been. Part of what was so interesting about the character's arc was that she was a goody two shoes, smart girl who made some bad decisions and wrecked her life for some guy. Seemed realistic.

I never understood how Lecy was gone what, a year... two at most? And by the time she got back, she seemed to have lost what little acting ability she may have had prior to leaving the show.

Roseanne is underrated. I'm really looking forward to this!

Yaye, the revival of the show that ushered in the birth of Trump Nation Generation!!

[quote]This will not end well.

This will not start well.

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If anything, DJ should have been the one who ended up fighting in Iraq..

I bet Melissa Gilbert is re-booting her old shit-bra from the 90's as we speak, and getting ready to fill it up with something hot & spicy to threaten Sara with!

Hey, Roseanne, I've missed you, wanna snort a line or two? Hit a buffet? I think... I still love you.

I'm still singing!

I don't understand who this show would be for. Roseanne is such a dingbat on twitter as well that I have no interest in seeing her in anything.

R13 - notice how in the story there's no mention of Crystal's character? Whatever happened at the end - Natalie West just got dumped for the last couple of seasons. She didn't even appear in the finale. What did she do to piss of Roseanne?

Will Tom Arnold be back?

This will fail miserably.

Revivals of old shows are frequently successful.

The best seasons were written or produced by Amy Sherman, who went on to write Gilmore Girls. She won't come back. I doubt this will actually get done - Roseanne is too unstable.

Re: Natalie West

"Natalie West was cast as Roseanne’s best friend and co-worker, Crystal Anderson. Crystal was consistently unlucky in love (with several failed marriages in her past) and her character alternated between naïve and just plain goofy. The character of Crystal was conceived during the original “pitch” meetings before the Roseanne show was sold – after all, it’s a golden rule of sitcoms that every main character needed a wacky friend or neighbor to “bounce” off. However, as the series progressed, it became evident that not only did Laurie Metcalf (“Jackie”) and Roseanne Barr have better chemistry, it was also easier for the writers to concoct situations involving Roseanne and her sister than Roseanne and her best friend (especially since Crystal had a young son to care for). When Roseanne married Tom Arnold and he joined the cast as Arnie, Sandra Bernhard was brought aboard as Arnie’s free-wheeling love interest (Nancy) in order to provide story lines for Roseanne’s new hubby. With Jackie acting as Roseanne’s best friend and Nancy providing the wackiness quotient, there wasn’t much left for Crystal to do, so Natalie West was eliminated from the opening credits after Season Four and reduced to “recurring character” status."

I don't know that there's any beef between Roseanne and Natalie. Natalie was at the Season 1 DVD Release Party.

Having Mark die in the Iraq War makes no sense (as mentioned above). He would have been in his mid-30's when the war started. Why not just make the character die of an overdose?

It would make more sense for DJ to have gone to Iraq and come back a hardcore Republican. That would play nicely against Roseanne's character's supposed to being liberal. However, if Barr now leans Right...

I could see Dan faking his own death as a ploy for his family to get some insurance money. The reboot could start with Dan getting out of prison after doing time for insurance fraud.

R90 I don't see that fitting in with Dan's personality.

I'd much rather bring back Grace Under Fire Instead.

OMG, R92, talk about a lost TV show. I haven't seen nor heard of "Grace Under Fire" in ages. It seemed to completely vanish once it was done running on ABC.

WEHT Brett Butler?

I think this whole thing is basically talk Roseanne is putting out there in hoping that there's interest and that someone will pick it up.

Would any of the actors even want to come back?

There would actually be a good opportunity to tell the story of Darlene having settled, marrying her high school sweetheart, struggling to raise her family in a Trump world, and dealing with never making it out of Lanford and living a life she swore she wouldn't. Roseanne could be the overbearing mother/Grandmother and Bev can replace Nana Mary as the Great Grandmother who taunts her daughter.

Becky obviously takes over the role as single Aunt who can't hold on to a man or a job.

So yeah, it becomes a tale of how we pass on our shit to our kids and our kids eventually become us.

R93 Grace Under Fire airs daily on the LAFF channel.

R94, it's confirmed. Gilbert's production company has already signed on. This ain't talk.

DJ is in the Military and a Conservative prick.

Jerry of course gives blowjobs at the gas station.

Hilarious blog from a woman who worked as a stand-in on Roseanne

R95, it does? Interesting. I just checked and I don't have that channel. Well, at least it's still around somewhere.

I can't wait for this. Roseanne was very representative of most of its viewers. Best of all, it was very funny. The episode where Becky ran away with Mark was electrifying, with the build-up of Dan's losing his bike shop.

Alcoholic Mark has run off after finding out that Becky was having an affair with her college-grad, white collar co-worker. With a kid to raise on her own now, Becky moves back in with Dan and Roseanne. She has a lot debt because she always has to have the best car, smartphone, etc. Roseanne has become a writer, now running a popular blog. She makes quite a bit of money from advertisers. Dan is still working construction, unable to retire, especially now that Becky's moving back in. Darlene has a wife now, and they share a house with David, whose in charge of their 5 kids. Darlene works for herself, designing websites from home. DJ went to Iraq. He's now working as a military recruiter and feeling terrible about it. Jackie has gotten back with Booker. (Special Guest Star Appearance!!!)

R100, that's a great storyline. They should get you to write the episodes.

So far they've only announced Roseanne, John Goodman and Sara Gilbert for this revival, but I can't imagine they will do it without Laurie Metcalf (who's currently appearing to rave reviews on Broadway in "A Doll's House, Part 2"). Hopefully they will make her an offer she can't refuse. As for Johnny Galecki, I could see him being at least willing to make one appearance as David (and Clooney as Booker would be quite the "get" indeed).

R81, IIRC, she and her then husband Delaney turned Clapton on to heroin

I think R94 is the better story line if they want the reboot to have the same impact the original had.

Hated it (and didn't watch it) back then. Would hate it again right now. Fuck off, you talentless fucks!

I liked it when Roseanne was running the loose meat restaurant. It made her a realistic winner and an independent woman. Why did they write that plot out of the story? Did Roseanne herself destruct that storyline because she could no longer play the lovable loser?

[quote]Hilarious blog from a woman who worked as a stand-in on Roseanne

[quote]Yes, big John Goodman, physically pushes a 5ft. tall woman aside. He is no Dan Conner, I can tell you that. He was a big alcoholic, womanizing, glutton.

Well, she got the womanizing part wrong. He probably had more cock in his mouth than she ever did.

I'll watch!

[quote]Roseanne isn't a "Trump nut" in the sense of being Republican -- that's a total misrepresentation. Her views are more along the lines of Susan Sarandon, i.e., I'd rather vote for Trump to send a message to the Dems rather than vote in another neoliberal like Hillary.

This is a lie. I followed her on Twitter until I could take no more of her Israel paranoia. But she was definitely pulling for Trump.

Oh, and you are a total idiot.

I might have considered watching this if I did not know she was a Trumpster. Has she always been this way? I thought she was liberal at one point.

Sudden wealth will do that to the poorest of people. Roseanne owns a profitable nut farm in Hawaii and is quite rich = she turned rightwing, more concerned about her money and properties than anything else.

It's all quite ironic, considering the show was so much about struggling working class people. She has not been that for years, which is fine, but she completely abandoned the show's values a long time ago.

[quote]I guess the rumor that Darlene will now be gay means they wouldn't [bold]make DJ gay instead (which is Roseanne had reportedly wanted to do with him in the final season)[/bold].

This was my understanding as well, although it was planned for earlier in the series run. Reportedly, Roseanne planned to have DJ come out. The actor was uncomfortable about it and asked her not to do it. He was so young that she respected his wishes and had Beverly the grandmother come out instead (which was totally anticlimactic and something of a headscratcher).

I think Roseanne is less a Trump supporter than just certifiably insane. Her politics have taken 180 degree turns several times.

Look, Roseanne is nuts - but genius most often comes right up to the line of insanity. As long as she gets on mood stabilizers and relinquishes enough creative control to producers and writers (as in the earlier seasons, not the later seasons when she had total control), there is a good chance this will be great. You can't take her earlier success away from her, just put enough safeguards in place so this reunion continues that success, rather than ruin the show's legacy. I'm hopeful this reunion wouldn't have been greenlit without making sure Roseanne was in check first.

[quote]Having Mark die in the Iraq War makes no sense (as mentioned above). He would have been in his mid-30's when the war started.

There is a way they could write that storyline. Mark could have joined the military right after the original series ended which was in 1997. I'm guessing Mark would have been in his mid to late 20s at that point. There are plenty of cases of people joining the military after age 25.

[quote]OK, let's say Mark was mid-20s when the show ended in 97. He enlisted in his early 30s to go fight in Iraq in 03?

Or he could've been over there as a civilian contractor- no enlistment necessary.

But really, it would make more sense if he was another Midwest opioid overdose than anything else.

Sarah Chalke could easily knock it out of the park as Becky now.

Why does he have to be killed in Iraq? It's make more sense for Mark to have been killed falling off a roof. Or having a piano fall on him. Like Sonny, Crystal's first husband, who got cemented into the bridge. That's a Roseanne storyline.

And would they start from the last episode nonsense? I know, I know - John faked his death (yeah, right), but what about the rest?

Are they going to have Roseanne and Dan raising Little Jerry and the others just drop in whenever? It doesn't seem like there's a situation there for them to be a situation comedy.

How exactly does one fake one died of a heart attack?

They could write a new Mark and make do make him ugly, the opposite of what they did with Becky, (recast ugly with pretty)

So Arnie and Nancy will be back?

The thing that's most odd is Sara Gilbert decided not to do more of the Big Bang Theory (in which she was excellent) because she and the writers agreed it was too difficult for them to keep up the high quality of storylines for her character. Indeed her character was one of the few that humanized Sheldon and could best him (the other being his mother)

I hope that it's picked up by a streaming website. That way if it is a massive fail it won't be as noticeable if it were on network television. I'd like to see what the Connor's are up to in Trump's america. I'd also like to see what changes from the series finale will be worked into the reboot.

Metcalf is already expected to return.

Will Leon be back?

Roseanne did a pilot with Goodman in 2012, "Downwardly Mobile" that wasn't picked up. She had a guarantee in her contract and got a big payout. She and her boyfriend wrote the script. She blamed Hollywood for not being able to handle her views in it for its not being picked up.

Roseanne trashed Goodman a few years ago, claiming he was a forehead and always drunk on set. I couldn't believe he agreed to work with her again. I think the cast knows she's crazy.

Michael Fishman who played DJ is still employed by Roseanne.

What's this about her wanting him to be gay? Never heard that before.

Roseanne has said for years she was going to have DJ be gay. It was mentioned during the run of the show which at the time would have been a major deal.

Roseanne and Dan probably run several Loose Meat Sandwich places and being small business owners in the Midwest fell on economic hardships, didn't want to give their employees benefits because it cut into their profits and turned into Trumpers who shout, "Build the wall."

[quote]Roseanne trashed Goodman a few years ago, claiming he was a forehead and always drunk on set. I couldn't believe he agreed to work with her again.

Maybe Goodman realized she was correct and isn't afraid to admitting to a few home truths.

R113, I agree the show could be a success if there are enough safeguards in place to protect it from Roseanne's crazy. However I don't see her agreeing to do this unless she has final say on everything.

Who are the loons so determined to make this about trump?

Does that fat fuck have to be a part of EVERYTHING?

Mark enlisting isn't so far-fetched. At lot of people went straight up crazy nationalistic after 9-11. And the Bush admin dropped a lot of standards to recruit and approve new enlistees. If Roseanne were brave enough to have a storyline where the family was bitter about the WMD lies and general mismanagement of the war, I'd applaud her.

If Barr is too difficult, then do the thing without her. I'll play her part. After all, I played her in one of the two tv movies.

R128 has stated her boundaries.

[quote]Mark enlisting isn't so far-fetched. At lot of people went straight up crazy nationalistic after 9-11.

They don't even have to go nationalistic. Military service is an escape for a lot of young men who are struggling with a career or finances. If a guy doesn't have a lot of job prospects, he can join the military and make a career out of it, getting training and if he stays with them, an early retirement.

R131 is broadcasting from 2007

R132, true, but that would make more sense as a storyline for DJ who, last we knew, was interested in film. Mark was a skilled mechanic and wouldn't need the military for a career. I could see DJ not getting anywhere and deciding to enlist to not be a burden on the family.

Someone's idea upthread of Mark becoming a military contractor makes more sense.

[quote]Are they going to have Roseanne and Dan raising Little Jerry and the others just drop in whenever? It doesn't seem like there's a situation there for them to be a situation comedy.

Roseanne, Dan and Jackie are the show. The kids can easily come in and out. The adults were the ones mostly discussing politics.

It's not totally uncommon that the kids could still end up in the same small town and just visit occasionally.

I do think it would be fun to discover she's still friends with the other women in the original series from Crystal to Vonda/Nancy and have them appear as well.

Roseanne was never much of an actress but it was ok since she was playing herself and the show was relatable. Now, she's a completely different person who has nothing in common with the blue collar housewife. I don't know if I can stand to watch anyone who rabidly supports Trump on my tv screen. But I'd be interested in the lives of the kids and Jackie (and Dan, if he is somehow reanimated....).

'Little Jerry' would be mid 20s by now

r137

What a stupid assumption

R133 continuing to state her boundaries.

[quote]Mark was a skilled mechanic and wouldn't need the military for a career.

Roseanne never said he died in the war. After the Iraq War II there was a huge demand for private contractors to rebuild the infrastructure of Iraq. A skilled mechanic would be quite an asset. Many American civilians were killed in Iraq in the aftermath by terrorist targeting such rebuilding companies.

It would make more sense for Mark to have become a deadbeat like his father and run out on Becky. Or have Becky have ditched him after she finally got bored.

I hope Sally Kirkland makes an appearance!!!!

Roseanne finally realizes her teenage dream and goes to New York City to be That Girl.

Jesus, even Darlene's kid would be 20.

Why do I feel like she'd be an insufferable Bernie fanatic?

[quote]'Little Jerry' would be mid 20s by now

Which is kind of the point. Nobody wants to see senior citizen Roseanne, Dan and Jackie. There's no story there.

"I'd much rather bring back Grace Under Fire Instead." - Brett Butler, tossing down a shot at the same bar as Tom Arnold

Several years ago, I saw Brett Butler do a comedy act in a hallway at Madison Square Garden. It was really lame. This was after Grace Under Fire and I wished she had used some material from that experience, but she didn't.

I wouldn't revive Roseanne even if I were a nurse in an emergency room.

I think the only way this works is if they go back to the roots of the show about a lower middle class family struggling and living in America. Vintage Roseanne focused on Roseanne's relationship with Jackie, Dan, and mainly her two daughters. Lecy Goranson and Sara Gilbert were both talented actresses, even when they were younger, and were able to carry off those storylines. Poor Michael Fishman merely looked like he could be Roseanne's son. He was never an actor and they wisely made DJ a minor supporting character.

I'd act like the last two seasons were all a dream and focus on what made the show work back in the day. When I watch reruns, I stop around the 94-95 dates of episodes. You can see a once great show start to falter.

Roseanne reboot would be great... without Roseanne. Can't they just bring Jackie back and leave it at that?

Is Lecy Goranson even still in the business? I thought I heard/read several years ago that she got out. If so, I wonder if they will try to lure her back for this or go with Sarah Chalke again?

[quote]"I'd much rather bring back Grace Under Fire Instead."

Here titty ta-tas are much to deflated now.

Lecy still acts, she just does small roles in small projects. I think her last major role was in Boys Don't Cry.

Which was 18 Yates ago.

Lacy was a terrible actor

BARR is old, out of touch with cultural trends and can no longer write.

This will be an epic FAIL.

I really hope we see at least cameos from Crystal, Nancy, Anne Marie, and the great Bonnie. I loved the major motif of strong bonds between blue collar women who helped to lift each other up. And of course, it would be a waste to do this reboot without some Estelle Parsons action. I hope she can tone down her Bev just a tad though.

Tone it down? WHY?

They will burn up the first 2 episodes sorting out everyone's sexuality

The only one who won't be gay will be Dan which is.. well... ironic.

Bev's accent was all wrong. Estelle Parsons sounded way too patrician.

Looking forward to this (Roseanne's love for Trump aside). The series at its peak is funny and heart-breaking.

Bev was a striver and a phony

The affected patrician speech was spot on for that type of cunt

that blog by the standin is funny, but disturbing.

So wil the Jackie Thomas show get a reboot next?

LOL, R164. That "friend", no doubt, is Brett Butler.

Bring back Booker!

[quote]WEHT Brett Butler?

R93, she has a bit part in the last season of HBO's The Leftovers. She had very brief scenes in I think two of season two's episodes. Her character wears absolutely no makeup and she looks like she's 50 years older than she actually is.

[quote]and had Beverly the grandmother come out instead (which was totally anticlimactic and something of a headscratcher).

That entire subplot was one of the worst parts of that abysmal season. Stupid straight Roseanne's idea of how gay people live.

I would have bought a VIP ticket to the Gurlz review!

Is there a role for a snooty neighbor?

[quote]Mark enlisting isn't so far-fetched. At lot of people went straight up crazy nationalistic after 9-11. And the Bush admin dropped a lot of standards to recruit and approve new enlistees. If Roseanne were brave enough to have a storyline where the family was bitter about the WMD lies and general mismanagement of the war, I'd applaud her.

I remember that too. I had graduated college a few months before 9/11 and two guys that I knew went into the military after 9/11. I've only kept in touch with one of the guys and he turned on Bush later on. Also, my brother had a friend who was in his late 20s and working as a cop when 9/11 happened. He joined the Army but died in a car accident after he completed basic training.

Wasn't Roseanne on the anti-Bush train? I vaguely recall her bashing him in an interview.

It's not just the age, it's the personality type.

Nothing about mark suggests he would have gone all 'Murcia after 9/11...

The mechanic skills as a private contractor if they paid him handsomely, perhaps.

What's next a Cybil reboot?

Roseanne tweeted today that She will announce when and if this is happening.

I just got in from seeing Laurie Metcalf in "A Doll's House, Part 2" on Broadway. Great performance.

I love OP's passionate title on this very important matter. :-P

[quote]I just got in from seeing Laurie Metcalf in "A Doll's House, Part 2" on Broadway. Great performance.

And you didn't go to the stage door after and ask her about this? Shame on you.

I could be wrong but Metcvalf doesn't seem like she'd be a lot of fun at stage door meetings. Doesn't exactly effuse warmth. Let me know if I need to be corrected.

You don't have to GO to Metcalf she will come to your home whether invited or not.

Laurie is an excellent actress. She was the true star of the show.

[quote]And you didn't go to the stage door after and ask her about this? Shame on you.

Funny you said that, R177. Walking out of the theater, the line at the stage door was already halfway down the block. If Metcalf did go out to greet them, I can't imagine no one brought it up to her as she signed their Playbill.

Roseanne has basically turned into the new Nana Mary. The cycle repeats itself. Should be interesting.

They need to have Mariel Hemingway come back and kiss roseanne on the mouth. Roseanne: I remember you!

I saw that show recently and could not believe what a firestorm it caused when it aired. Love it or hate it, roseanne was way ahead of the pack when it came to gay characters.

Race-wise, not so much. They had the token black couple friends, that was it. The characters were there only to 'prove' the Conners weren't bigots. They never had any relevance to storylines at all.

Not entirely true.

Chuck was fairly intertwined to dan both socially and professionally

That Marie was more of a token as the 'sassy black gal'

No love for Marty Mull?

Who was the divorced dad with the two daughters that moved in after the Bowmans moved away? I hate that guy and I hate his character.

Wings Hauser

The daughters were the young Christina Crawford & the Halloween scream queen

I didn't the episodes with the daughters but the ones that included the dad sucked the oxygen out of the room. He was the shittiest actor ever.

He was much better as the mercenary who helps Valerie recover the trust fund hoisted from Dylan on 90210

No Nancy, please.

Will loose meat return? Will Shelley winters guest star?

Probably not r192 since she's dead.

Ned Beatty will play the Shelley Winters role.

Perhaps even big Louie Anderson

183, the show did address race beyond just having token black friend for Dan and Roseanne. There was one episode where DJ was in a school play, and he didn't want to kiss his co-star who was black. His dad came to talk to Roseanne at the loose meat restaurant, and when he pounded on the glass door, Roseanne first assumed him to be a robber. This left Roseanne questioning whether she might be a racist and if so, if this had any influence on DJ's current behavior.

The final season of Roseanne was one of the worst disasters in television history. I can't see a revival sucking more than that but we'll see. And yes I am a fan of the show

Horrid idea. I don't think anybody gives a goddamn flying fuck about Roseann and her loser family anymore. I myself was never a fan of the show when it was in its heyday. A show about a bunch of ugly white trash creeps didn't appeal to me. But it was supposed to be SO original and edgy; a tv sitcom where the family is ugly and weird and lower class! Why it's pure genius! I watched it a few times; I thought John Goodman and Laurie Metcalf were very talented. But it was so overrated. This "revival" sounds like an act of desperation. I guess the principles really need the money.

Agreed, r31. Roseanne at its best was a cry from working class America to the rest of the country and world "This is how we live!"

The show - with smart writers and show runners could be a great discussion on how we came to Trumps America.

One of the worst of the last season was when they brought on Jennifer Saunders as Edina and Joanna Lumley as Patsy. It was so desperately vulgar.

Wasn't that some sort of backdoor pilot?

R199 the fans of the show were not the same ones who voted for trump. The show made fun of the kind of people it was ostensibly about. And those people hated, hated, hated Roseanne. Remember the national anthem debacle?

The same people that voted for Trump also voted for Obama, so why don't you say "Those who voted for Obama?"

It's OK to make a political point if you have one to make, you're just making it up though.

Don't forget about me, R183.

R115, the actor died of a heroin overdose. I don't think tbey want any news cycles about a perceived insensitivity to the real life actors final chapter.

Rumors are swirling about Christopher Schwarzenegger playing little Jerry Garcia Connor

HOW didn't fatass Dan die?

R191, "Roseanne" was revolutionary television at its best. Subversive political & social commentary that was being broadcast no where else. People readily identified with her and tbrough that - she was able to be political in ways that other shows could not have done so easily. Its easily up there with one of the best shows from the 20th Century.

John Goodman was supposedly coked straight to the moon during the filming.. He's lucky HE didn't die, unlike other "bigger boy" actors who coked and met an untimely end..

Rosie takes credit for electing Bubba in '92

R155, i stppped at "Barr is old"

You write as if aging is a character flaw. It's actually a fact of life and if you accept it you will be much happier.

Roseanne Barr's age is a plus for this projevt. It inherently adds a layer and complexity to the return. People will be intrigued to see if she has made her different politically, etc.and why.

This will take good writers and shoiw runners.

I prefer chubby Roseanne. She lost all that weight and looks weird now.

[quote] On her website in 2009, Barr gave her detailed take on where each of the main characters from the show would be in a possible Roseanne revival: Roseanne and Jackie opening the first medical marijuana dispensary in Lanford; Dan reappearing alive after faking his death; DJ being published; Mark dying in Iraq; David leaving Darlene for a woman half his age; Darlene coming out, meeting a woman and having a baby with her; Becky working at Walmart; Arnie befriending the governor of Illinois and remarrying Nancy; Bev selling a painting for $10,000; Jerry and the grandsons forming a boy band; and Bonnie being arrested for selling crack.

Poor Bonnie.. she ended up selling crack??

And Jerry and the grandsons forming a boy band?

Who are the grandsons?

Surely Metcalf and Goodman have enough going on that they wouldn't choose to get back together with that Trump-loving nut.

[quote]and Bonnie being arrested for selling crack.

Wow, what did Roseanne have against Bonnie to assign her such a cruel fate?

[quote] Rosie takes credit for electing Bubba in '92

No, ma'am; that was me.

She did enough to trash the legacy of this once great show with the last season. Why can't these people let it be?

I hope they completely ignore the last season as if it never happened.

"Political & social commentary that was being broadcast no where else. "

Oh give it a fucking rest, you smitten fangurl. It was a show about white trash and that's ALL it was.

Roseanne took a big, fat dump in R220's cereal this morning...

bump

Few know that veteran character actor Bill Forsythe was the original choice to play Ty Tilden.

When he cheated Dan Goodman on the price of an 8-ball, he was replaced with Wings Hauser...

I hope Roseanne is reading this thread, and I bet she is.

Bring back the Bowmans, somehow, they were great foils. Make Kathy sneeze again. And DJs bossy girlfriend who was like a mini Jodi Foster. She was great.

Becky should now be married to Dean, the rebound jock.

That bossy gal pal for DJ was played by Ashley Johnson of Growing Pains fame

Too bad Roseanne in real life is a total right-wing nutjob cunt.

Have Becky back living with them with her three kids - they now have to help raise their grandchildren.

Roseanne should buy the old Wellman Factory and bring back jobs to America.

But what about Crystal.

Hoping there is a chance that in her boredom Roseanne was just amusing herself with her right wing ranting and that if she got back to work she'd get to feeling her blue collar Democratic roots again.

I'm afraid she's going to turn the Connors into a bunch of Trump voters. Hopefully the rest of the cast walk away if she tries it.

Will they finally address the impossibility of the design of the house?

I don't think she's rightwing as much as she is fed up with 2 parties having 'anointed' candidates and they seem to both agree to the terms, which is why e.g. Kerry never contested the shenanigans that were apparent when he won until the 11th hour when he lost.

The problem is that our non-anointed, non-vetted candidate happens to be Donald Trump. We might be trading one overlord for another, depending on how the Russian influence stuff plays out.

The problem is she's part talented and smart, and part nuts. I think the nuts part takes over. Not interested. I'm sick of her. I was sick of her years ago.

Oh will you give it a rest R234? She's an enthusiastic Trump supporter, not one out of default. She's gone full wingnut, praising the likes of Alex Jones and trashing the climate/science march.

Just checked out her Twitter. She is a Trumpster.

Sad.

Dan and Chucky are now gay partners. Dan craved Black cock all along. Roseanne and Ann Marie are in a lesbian relationship fighting over who gets to be the butch one. Jackie and Nancy finally get together for scissoring on the regular. Darlene is also a lesbian who is into old snatch, so she's munching on her old grade school teacher Miss Crane's punane. David is devastated by Darlene leaving him, so he's a lonely alcoholic. Crystal and DJ are in the corner and being ignored as usual.

Just four years ago she was running on a far left Green Party ticket for president. She is a total lunatic.

Selling crack isn't that far of a cry for the character of Bonnie. Her and her husband robbed a liquor store when they were hard up.

"Her and her husband"--you'd fit right in on this new iteration of the show, r240.

The show was revolutionary. Before Roseanne aired, as the Norman Lear series tapered off (Alice, One Day at A Time), every 80s sitcom family lived in a mcmansion. The parents were upper-class, wealthy white collar workers who somehow didn't need a nanny to help raise their designer-clothes-clad kids. Perhaps this was a continuation of night-time soaps about rich people (Dynast, Dallas). Until Roseanne came on the scene, the middle class and lower class were invisible. Not all the episodes were wrapped up with bow at the end. Some grim story lines carried over several episodes: Roseanne's unemployment, Dan's losing the bike shop, etc, and these things mirrored real problems the middle and lower class were dealing with. Most importantly, though, the show was funny and well-written.

How often did you ever see an overweight female main character (outside of Facts of Life)? Here was a woman who was unapologetically overweight by society's standards, and she didn't gaf what anyone thought. (It was and still is OK for a male lead character to be overweight, but his wife better be skinny and traditionally pretty).

The last season was awful. I understood what she was trying to do, but they didn't pull it off well. She wanted to show how the sitcom's money and fame changed her life: what it's like to suddenly to from poor and invisible to rich and famous, how society enjoys building stars and then tearing them down, how being rich and famous doesn't solve all your problems, how "old money" sometimes continues to look down on "new money".

Unfortunately her egomaniac antics have tarnished her legacy, and I don't feel the show gets the credit it deserves.

R242 yeah even John Goodman said that he didn't think the show would be big hit because when he was in late 1987 "all those big primetime soap opera shows like Dallas and Dynasty were dominating the ratings with beautiful rich people in them".

It filled a niche for those growing bored with that.

Analogous to what nirvana did vis a vis music just 2 years later.

Rosie has such an opportunity to make a relevant moment and lead the nation through some much needed healing through combative understanding

lets just be honest, this is gonna be a ginormous shit show.

Hope note r246, if she plays her cards right, this could be a brilliant move.

R144 Will you pantsuit nation hags EVER get over Sanders?? I didn't even support him, but think he'd have made a better Prez than Trump! STFU already! Jesus, isn't it bad enough you cows cost Clinton the election?

The kid who played DJ is from a nutty fundie family, and he's one himself. So he asked her not too havee his character be gay. Homophobic asshole.

Should have made David & Darlene a lavender marriage and built out from there...

A "brilliant move," r247? In what world is this not going to suck--IF it even happens?

Maybe she can play her character who just voted for Trump and she's waiting for him to fix everything for her and her pathetic bunch. Art imitating life--except the real-life Roseanne doesn't have to suffer the consequences of this asshole like her fictional counterpart.

What a fucking joke.

I like the idea of Darlene ending up just like Roseanne - trapped in Landford having never lived up to her full potential because she married her high school sweetheart and got stuck with a family. It's realistic and shows that kids often do end up exactly like the parents they hate so much.

As Becky had no kids at the end of the first series, she should end up exactly like Jackie . Alone, going from one man (and job) after another.

It would be entertaining to watch an insufferable cunt such as Lurleen end up no better than this she shit all over on her way to the 'top'

What do you have against Lurleen???

If "Roseanne" was REALLY "revolutionary" it would have made Darlene a lesbian. Sara Gilbert gave off one of the biggest lesbian vibes ever seen on a tv sitcom and her character Darlene was homely, surly, sullen and sarcastic. It was hard to believe that any man would be attracted to her. The whole David/Darlene storyline just seemed forced and implausible. It would have been so much more interesting to have Darlene be a lesbian; her family and the town she lived in was white trash, so for her to be gay in such an environment would really have made for great comedy and drama. Darlene as an out lesbian amidst homophobic white trash...I think that would have been quite something.

Go look at her Twitter account and you won't be able to watch this show. She's on there calling Obama a towel head.

Roseanne is DEAD.

How this woman is able to get a job in Hollywood and isn't locked in the loony bin is beyond me.

[quote]What's next a Cybil reboot? —Cybil Shepard

I honestly wouldn't mind seeing a reunion where they showed what happened to Maryanne after the police caught her.

Could still happen, R254. God knows the world is full of Suddenly Lesbians who are married with kids. Gay husbands too, although they annoy the fuck out of me since you know they knew all along.

Very uneven show, first 3 seasons the best. Loved the stuck up neighbor, the sexy little dude in a one shot who went on to be Bulldog on Frazier; loved Bonnie and Crystal and the beauty shop girls. Laurie seems weird and is a fair actress, not an excellent one. Why do you think Dan is gay? Roseanne said she was sick of the show and never wanted to do tv again. She drove the early producers nuts. I would focus on the earthy blue collar women and add some hot white trash men. I think I would get a new set. No Nancy; Roseanne's mom IS too manic, clooney will not come back; she's too big a cunt busy bearding.

R258 not true. When I was younger I was ONLY into women sexually, men repulsed me, then suddenly I started thinking about men, a very specific type sexually and I went for it.

I'm STILL into women though and am dating a woman and yes she knows I'm bisexual

Sorry, but I loved the show so I won't see it turned into Trump propaganda.

Is Martin Mull coming back at all?

Marty will play trump in a series of writing fantasies while Rosie is in one of her diabetic comas brought about by HOF munchies

[quote] Laurie seems weird and is a fair actress, not an excellent one.

Couldn't disagree more. Laurie is an excellent actress.

Laurie is embarrassingly bad and that aunt Jackie character is one of the most annoying in tv history

Jackie was a great character until late in the series run when she became Mr Furley

Laurie is great.

The season where she died her hair black is when the show took a noticeable dip in quality.

[quote]Oh good. Now the millennial deplorables can enjoy the same shit their parents and grandparents loved so much.

"Millennial deplorables?" In your spasms of pent-up rage I'm surprised you missed "fraus," "SJWs" and "Lena Dunham."

Roseanne had a definite liberal bent to it, so I'm really confused why you conflate it with "deplorables."

[quote]where she died

Oh dear!

Regardless of the current antics of its titular character, the show was definitely NOT deplorable fare

Officially set for midseason on ABC with entire cast returning and both Becky actresses playing roles

Is Roseanne mentally stable enough to go through with this?

Becky 1 is a terrible actress.

Well, this should be interesting.

It'll be the first prime-time network TV sitcom that I'll be checking out as it airs, for the first time in...15 years?

Roseanne Barr's state of mind, however, is not encouraging, to say the least.

[quote]Laurie is an excellent actress. She was the true star of the show.

Couldn't agree more. Haven't watched any of the old episodes since they first aired 20+ years ago, I'm afraid they won't hold up.

Jesus, they both look like hell. Gilbert is weathered (whatever Perry has must be contagious) and looks 50.

I expect this to be a train wreck but I plan to watch every single episode. I love how they're bringing Sarah Chalke back for another role.

How did Whitney Cummings end up as a producer on this?

[quote]How often did you ever see an overweight female main character (outside of Facts of Life)?

We need to talk.

What about me?

Clearly TV has lowered the Barr.

[quote]I'm afraid they won't hold up.

I'm surprised how well they do hold up, for the most part. I'm also amazed at how much better the final seasons were than i remember them (the lottery ones).

I really think 10-13 episodes would make the reboot much more interesting and relevant than only an 8 episode order, but maybe they are worried about Roseanne staying on her meds and don't want to overdo it.

Seasons 2-5 hold up really well. Season 6 is spotty but still some great episodes (like the pot episode). The first season is too cheesy and the last 2 are too hammy and all the characters have been dumbed down beyond recognition.

If they aim for the style of the show right smack in the middle of its run, this could be good.

Will Roseanne get another facelift?

Please use Estelle Parsons - she's a living legend!

Wonder how she feels about her hero fucking over Israel for Russia?

R113 Amen.

R160 I think it worked beautifully to show the generational divide between Bev, Roseanne and Jackie.

I can totally picture Bev putting on the 1950's housewife front as all hell broke loose around them. The father was abusive, after all, and it was established that Bev turned a blind eye.

Lori Tan Chinn better come back as Iris. She was fucking great 😂

R208 Amen.

In R98's link, the blogger-Roseanne stand-in says about John Goodman:

"He is no Dan Conner, I can tell you that. He was a big alcoholic, womanizing, glutton. "

Didn't the people of the DL label him GAY? Or was it just their wish?

R287/R290, leave the religion at home.

Don't forget, this is the lovely woman whose dad died with the whole world thinking he had molested his daughters -- which turned out to be total false memory recovery bullshit that, surprise surprise, wasn't true. What. A. Cunt.

Didn't Rosie suffer brain damage from a terrible car accident. I recall reading about her terrible fugues.

I thought they already did that?

There must always be some variation on "The Poor Fatties" on the teevee so the heifers at home can feel valued.

What happened to Roseanne's multiple personalities? Will they have roles on the show this time?

Was ABC's new montage/teaser posted. Pretty good job, though they should've included bits about their childhood abuse and Jackie becoming a battered girlfriend.

R297 Ugh. The racism episode was handled so poorly.

R298 it was a little awkward, lol.

Can one actually be called a genius if you're actually a one hit wonder?

Yes

[quote]The first season is too cheesy

And George Clooney is embarrassing to watch when he tries to do comedy.

R300 Too true.

John Goodman did the pilot AFTER Roseanne trashed him out on Twitter, but he's stayed loyal to her. The only reason Roseanne went on a tirade about Goodman was because he was profiled in an article in the New Yorker or the times when he was doing a play and tom Arnold was quoted extensively and was identified as Goodmans closest friend. Not a single negative word about Roseanne or the show but Barr saw Goodmans friendship with Arnold as a betrayal.

The show went off the rails after Arnold left. The loose meat diner was based on the ones in Arnold's home state of Iowa. Arnold and Barr fight/communicate on Twitter from time to time and I think two of roseannes older kids speak to him.

The 1995-96 season of Roseanne was supposed to be the final season which is why lecy goranson came back. Remember the season before Roseanne was going to have a girl and the first few episodes of the 95-96 season mentioned it. What changed was Jerry Garcia dying in the summer of 95. Roseanne and Dan were supposed to have one last fun weekend/hurrah together before their daughter was born and they were going to attend a grateful dead concert and Roseanne was going to go into early labor at the concert and have the baby at the outdoor concert.

When Roseanne decided at the last minute to have a 9th season it threw some of the cast into chaos because they had projects lined up. Goranson didn't come back for the last season because she wanted to finish college and Goodman could only appear in a limited number of shows. Despite that Roseanne wanted to have a 10th season of the show where she would lose the house in lanford and her and dj would move into a trailer park in Las Vegas .

When Ben Thomas went to court a few years back to modify the the financial/custody arrangement they had with their son buck the court records showed that Roseanne was getting a minimum of $500k a month from syndication profits.

The story told to the press on lecy goransons departure from the show in 1992 was that she was leaving for college. That's only partially true. She had a relationship with a married behind the scenes guy on the show that started when she was 16 and ended very badly. She was traumatized for a time and didn't want to come back. Gilbert started Yale the next year and the show worked around her school schedule and they would've done the same for goranson the year before. Howard stern asked Roseanne about it and she was startled he knew about it and it was one of the few times she was speechless about something and changed the subject very quickly.

Roseanne is unhinged, even more so than during the days of Roseanne's original run. Is the cast that desperate for a paycheck?

"Is the cast that desperate for a paycheck?"

It would seem so. It's such a bad idea. I guess it will be like a soap opera if Dan is brought back from the dead. Sounds to me like it's going to be a shitfest.

At least they're reviving a show I liked to begin with.

I can understand the others, but haven't goodman & metcalfe worked regularly over the past 20 years?

The last episode convoluted things a bit. I'd say write off the entire last season and pick up where the season before left off. It's not as if fans will give a shit - most hated the last season, anyway.

They can do away with the last episode's reveal (and the entire last season, really) just like they seemingly erased the entire show with that last episode.

I would make it where Roseanne suffered a mental breakdown somewhere before season 9 and that season was her hallucination.

Great stuff for Rosie to play with and could be based on her lice, since she has had several breakdowns.

They need to make her like Buscemi's character in "Horace and Pete". So much they could do by playing up her Roseanne's crazy.

I would also bring politics full on. Roseanne could keep her political POV (think Archie Bunker) and the rest of the family could sway towards all areas of the political spectrum.

So much poyential here!

^*life

^*potential

I'm sure someone will be "trans".

There are lots of clever ways they can get around the last season and/or Dan's, "death," however I'll bet that if Roseanne is in charge they won't use any of them. She seems more the type to just mimic the "It was a dream," story line because she thinks referencing that is funny and clever.

She could claim the entire last three seasons were a dream or a psychotic episode.

I really hope they don't go with the "Dan ran out on his family and faked his death," thing. That pretty much goes against everything the Dan character ever was. It sort of makes him out to be like his father who he was the opposite of.

I can't stand the actress Roseann. Has anyone covered why they're bringing back this show. I doubt there's anyone who was wishing this would come back. It's all very weird how uncreative Hollywood is becoming.

R316 Dan's father did it to him. Like father, like sun. Also, perhaps the pressures of Roseanne's psychotic break took too much of a toll on him and he opted for "flight".

If they're going to bring this classic back they need to make it mean and gritty.

Roseanne had a psychotic break and Dan jumped ship soumds like the perfect syart for a "Roseanne" of the new millenium.

^*son.

I did not just make that typo, lol.

Yes, R318 and as I said above, it goes against Dan's character. His whole thing was that he was the man his father wasn't.

If they're going to go with a story about a psychotic break than they don't even need to go the route of Dan faking his death and leaving. Just say she had a psychotic break and the entire last season, including the last episode, was that break from reality.

That's what I prefer, R20. They could even play with the two Beckys running gag and incorporate it into her mental breakdown. Perhaps her symptoms started when the new Becky arrived.

They can do so much with this while keeping it socially and politically relevant.

Dan being dead is an alternate fact!

[quote]Perhaps her symptoms started when the new Becky arrived.

Didn't they do that with DJ? Like when they jumped into the future and he was a mental case and it stemmed from the alternate Becky?

The bit about using Sarah Chalke though as part of her break from reality would actually play nicely. Every time Roseanne is having one we'd see Sarah instead of Lecy as Becky.

But it sounds like theyve written a new character for Sarah. She could be some random chick who steals Becky's identity.

OR.

Maybe Becky should end up being the surprise Lesbian and Sarah can be her girlfriend.

R323 Yes! They did use the Beckys in that DJ subplot. Doing it again would both open up so many possibilities and be a sort of nod to that, too.

I would have Sarah Chalke play both a new character and Becky when Roseanne cracks or perhaps in dream sequences/memories of Roseanne's breakdown.

Her insanity would be reinforced by having her hallucinate her daughter as someone else in their lives.

Having Sarah play a new character who commits identity theft against Lecy's Becky would be hilarious.

R325 While Roseanne hallucinates.

Chalke could play a Doctor or Nurse or even a Social Worker in the Institution Roseanne is at and therefore she subsequently replaces her with Becky in her snaps from reality. Maybe Roseanne's crazy is so crazy that she lures Chalke's character into her life and makes her a part of their family, which is a way for Chalke's character to get sucked in.

It's too bad though that this idea has already been used... going back to the Identity Theft that I mentioned above. A great idea would have been if she steals Becky's Identity, Becky is able to track her down, maybe with the help of Jackie who now does Private Investigation work... And Becky being Becky, is needy and finds Chalke's character fascinating and befriends her anyway. But again, that's already been used.

It won't last because the instant it gets rolling the media will focus on her crazy and hateful political views.

R328 and yet that's what happened the first go around and she survived 10 seasons.

R328 All the more reason to just put it front and center, as it is.

Roseanne's political views are sensibly crazy. They need to capitalize on this. The D's and the R's would both laugh therir asses off and be enraged. Perfect mix for a hit.

Let's go back to "All in the Family" levels of controversy. We need it.

R327 Still, look how much we've come up with on a whim.

An excellent writing team could kill this.

Actually, come to think of it, it would actually work better if Jackie discovers the Becky identity thief and befriends her. That actually suits Jackie's needy personalty.

R332 omg. I can already imagine an entire subplot. Metcalf would own everyone. Maybe a little romance thrown in for extra pathos.

Sarah's character exploits Rosie's psychosis (can we keep the lottery win?) for the money. She sucks Jackie in and exploits her neediness. Maybie Jax turned lesbian.

Lots of plotting to accommodate the second worst character of this whole ticket

R335 lmao

Look - we all know that Roseanne (the show) soared to great heights when Roseanne (the actress) had creative input without creative control and was on her medication. As the seasons progressed and she got more famous, subsequently fired the talented writers and producers, and gave into the multiple voices in her head, things went downhill. There's a lot riding on this reunion for ABC and they are already promoting the hell out of it a year out - I'm sure there is every safeguard in place to keep Roseanne happy, healthy, just creatively satisfied enough without being in control, and insured from here to eternity.

What made AIF work was that the actor playing Archie didn't really believe the right wing views of his character. I don't think Roseanne would be too happy with the truth about Trump coming out of the mouths of the other characters. My guess is Roseanne is going to be the head writer and producer of this show. She wants to be in control. We saw what happened when she and Arnold and then she alone took control of her show. It totally jumped the shark.

Roseanne doesn't have full control of anything. ABC isn't stupid and she no longer has the clout she once did. Rosie is so lucky they're doing this and I'm sure she's savvy enough to not fuck it up.

I got sick one time while I was on vacation and watched a rerun of Roseanne because I was looking for something light to watch and cheer me up.

It was the episode where Darlene goes into labor prematurely and her and her baby's lives are in danger or something ridiculous like that. I thought wtf am I watching?

Roseanne claimed to be broke on Howard Stern.

As someone asked upthread, the Conners would all be Trump supporters except for Darlene who would have voted Hillary. Maybe DJ also if he was gay.

Sarah Gilbert is a terrible actress and looks absolutely miserable on The Talk. I know its her part but she looks so out of place.

No one in Hollywood has any creativity. HBO sucks; very few of premium channels have anything above average. This looks like a mess. Laurie is a lousy actress, the same in everything she does. None of the lead cast except Goodman can act. DJ was a terrible actor and dumb character. The guest stars on this series had more talent than any of the leads. Crystal, the stuck up short lived neighbor, the factory and the beauty shop girls were funny. This series does not hold up; the last 4 seasons were terrible.

I used to live across the street from Sara Gilbert when I would work in L.A. and, trust me, R343, she only HAS one face: Miserable. I think a smile would crack her teeth at this point. Talk about fucking Guarded.

R344 Blow it out your ass!

r340 I just saw that ep recently. The show was at its worst when it did Very Special Episodes.

R344 you go from saying in a previous post that Laurie is a fair actress to now saying she's a lousy one, ha. And no, she doesn't do the same thing with every character. Her Jackie was not the same as her character on Desperate Housewives which also wasn't done the same way as she portrayed Annie Wilkes.

R344 = Sal Barone

Thanks R48. Metcalfe is the real deal. Except the Barney Fife character Jackie became in the final seasons (not sure about the origins of that development), she can play a great variety of characters with very nuanced subtlety. That takes true talent and hard work.

I've never seen her do anything that wasn't 'wacky' or disturbed

r350

Metcalf is awesome as a second banana. Look for the Norm Show, she stole every scene and was hysterical. Look at Big Bang Theory as Sheldon's mother and one of the two or three people that can actually bring Sheldon down to Earth and act normally.

Everyone saying that the Conners would be Trump voters clearly didn't watch the show or grasp anything it was trying to portray. A couple of characters maybe, but not the majority.

Not sure it means much since it was a later season but I hated Metcalf on "Absolutely Fabulous". Had to turn the episode off, it was so screechy and awful. She's better than that but she also brings a strange pall to every character. You can never buy her as "sunny".

I hope it's good and a success because all of the ABC sitcoms currently airing, which I used to like, SUCK. And that includes "Modern Family" (it's been bad for the last 4 seasons), "The Goldbergs" (never was that funny but I used to enjoy the actress who portrays Bev), "The Middle" (never as good as "Roseanne" but I liked the Axl character and his near nudity, also thought Eden Sher was good as the teenage girl). "Speechless" is one of the worst shows I've ever seen. That Brit actress is horrible and not sympathetic.

This news makes me want to repeatedly stick a crucifix up my cunt!

Roseanne is a born contrarian who still defends that god awful final season. The whole concept of Dan faking his own death strongly suggests that this revival will be more in line with the show's last two seasons after it jumped the shark.

Ro won't have creative control, so this will be great. Roseanne and Jackie always had a great back and forth sisterly rapport - I'm sure that will still be here. Anyone who thinks Metcalfe isn't a good character actress must be watching someone else.

R356 lmfai.

^*lmfao

R358. Roit?

Metclalf is manic, over the top, has no subtlety. I have seen her at Steppenwolf, and it was the same thing. She's really just okay. The Middle is far superior to Roseanne; all of the principals are excellent. Eden should have at least one Emmy by now.

Yes, you've let us know three times how you feel about Laurie, R362.

I heard from a news source that the revelations in the finale (Dan dead of a heart attack, Jackie gay, Becky married to David, Darlene married to Mark) are all going to be IGNORED. That is, the revival is going to proceed as if the finale never happened. Boy, this whole thing sounds really fucked up.

Actually, R364 if that's what they're doing, it sounds like it might actually be headed in the right direction.

Actually, that is the way they SHOULD go, ignore the last episode...he'll, ignore the last season and the lottery win.

Does anyone REALLY care about the white trash Conner family anymore? And who is going to be on the thing, anyway? Are ALL the actors inclined to return? I wouldn't think so. And Glenn Quinn is dead, so what are they going to do about the role of Mark? Kill him off? Recast the role? It sounds like a real mess.

R367 you've said the same thing like five other times. We've heard you. Nobody is forcing you to discuss it nor will anyone force you to watch it.

R367 Oh, you care, Leon. And you'll continue to care until I tell you otherwise.

I am, after all, me.

Do you think they'll bring Chip back?

Fuck Chip!

R361 omg, yes. I wanted him so bad as a twee teen.

R372

I don't know. I was partial to that older girl who initially wanted to date Becky. But, ended up being interested in Darlene and ended up fighting over her with some other guy during a house party chaperoned by Jackie at the Connor's house.

Barry

Didn't Barry want to mess around with Jackie?

[quote] Ro won't have creative control

She's executive producer. Put down the crack pipe.

I hope ABC forces her to delete her Twitter account like Azealia Banks's record label forced her to hand the keys over to them at one point. ABC just set up an official Roseanne on ABC Twitter account. They don't want bad PR.

Didn't she have a failed reality show where she bitched and moaned she had to support her entire adult useless family including ex husbands? She probably needs the massive tax cuts.

R376 Roseanne will of course have an executive producer credit, but she'll be EP in name only. She'll no more be executive producing than Donald Trump executive produced Arnold Schwarzenegger's season of The Apprentice. ABC has the leverage this time around and they aren't going to let anyone mess it up.

Is that Oliver Hudson at R371?

[quote]but she'll be EP in name only.

No, honey. You don't know how they industry works, how Roseanne works. how she rolls. Move along. You also weren't around for the details of her last contract for "Upwardly Mobile." She has provisions. She is NEVER IN NAME ONLY. NEVER!

Excuse me, "Downwardly Mobile". She made a killing when that wasn't picked up for series.

Roseanne is now trying to keep Sean Hannity on the air, is bashing Democrats and posting more pro-Trump crap.

Maybe someone should call Bobcat Goldthwaite about rebooting UNHAPPILY EVER AFTER.

It's a safer bet than ROSEANNE and could only do well in Trumpian America.

Will Clooney be making a cameo?

Johnny Galecki shouldn't touch this mess!

Metcalf on how the reunion came to be.

The Roseanne reboot has many fans buzzing about what the classic sitcom will be like in this modern age, and star Laurie Metcalf recently revealed how quickly it all came together.

Roseanne is coming back for an eight-episode revival in 2018 on ABC over 20 years after its final episode aired. All of the series’ main cast members will be coming back, including Roseanne Barr, John Goodman, Laurie Metcalf, Sara Gilbert, Lecy Goranson, Michael Fishman, and Sarah Chalke.

Metcalf revealed in a Today interview this week that the plans for a Roseanne reboot came together in a flash with Goodman appearing on Gilbert’s show, The Talk, and discussing the possibility.

“I think it was just a fluke that John Goodman was on Sara Gilbert’s show, and they started talking, ‘would you do a reunion’, ‘well yes I would, would you’ and Sara got on the phone and called everybody, and everybody said yes right away,” Metcalf said.

It's only 8 episodes? I wonder if they're just feeling it out to see if it's worth bringing back for an entire season.

To address whether or not Roseanne the character would have voted for Trump... I think they could go that route and it would be in line with the character if and ONLY if it was handled in the following way: She voted for Trump out of protest/in reaction to her shitty life with the belief that something needed to be shaken up. This would reflect all those in the "fly over" states who did the same... and would be consistent with the character's knee jerk reactions.. but ONLY IF she then regretted it as she saw that she was snowed and life would now be worse for her. The Roseanne character did have a habit of making rash decisions that bit her in the ass... but something tells me the real Roseanne wouldn't go for that.

Roseanne should do a sitcom where she's married to Tim Allen instead.

Anyone else hope Johnny Galecki is NOT involved? I hated when the show became all about David.

r390 never watched "Roseanne". Fuck off.

R388 LOVE this scenario.

As I've posted above, they need to play up Roseanne's anger and crazy. If you're going to come back after 20+ years, come back with a bang.

R390 it was never all about David.

[quote]Roseanne is unhinged, even more so than during the days of Roseanne's original run. Is the cast that desperate for a paycheck?

Lecy Goranson might be desperate for a paycheck. I recall a story about her working as "fortune teller" some years back.

Ha, Glad to hear I'm earning my check, R392.

I can't be the only one hoping they don't make it about Fucking Don Dump...

R396 It's like avoiding the orange elephant in the room.

Good, R397.

Everyone else is obsessed and frothing at the mouth and it might actually be nice to have an escape or two in pop culture.

R398 True. We'll see.

Rosie is totally going to be a Trump supporter on the reboot. She basically says so here. I'm here for this, if done intelligently.

Roseanne is all over the place. She also RTed this , lol.

Great documentary.

The white trash thing was one of the big problems with the original.

When the show began they were a white working class family trying to make ends meet but not white trash. They both worked hard at their jobs and weren't lazy and trying to get paid for doing nothing. That changed when Roseanne for whatever idiotic reasons that were going on in her head decided to turn the family into white trash. They were suddenly workers who I couldn't root for because they deserved to be fired. It started when Roseanne started working at the restaurant. I don't remember what season that was. I do however bet it had something to do with her taking up with Tom Arnold. His presence in her life was not a good thing. He gave her ridiculous ideas that she probably passed on has her own or maybe even thought they were her own. Either way the show began to suck.

Not only did they become lousy workers but lousy parents as well, which they never were the first couple of years. The only saving grace was the Roseanne/Jackie relationship and even that was never as good as the first couple of years.

I'm not interested in seeing people struggling if they are people who act in ways that show they deserve to struggle because they have no interest in doing a good day's work or being decent parents. Just the same way I'd feel if they showed very rich people who are getting something for nothing and being lousy parents. The thing is it's probably way more true of rich people than it is of hard working class or lower middle or even poor people.

I don't think the show is going to work unless it plays well to people who never saw the first series or are too young to remember. I find it insulting to be told what I remember never happened. Put in the fucking work and come up with a good reason for the last couple of seasons. Isn't that what Roseanne and the writers are getting big bucks for????

R403 Hey, Bev.

r403 is an idiot. Those were the best seasons. The Lunch Box seasons were iconic.

Roseanne Barr‏ @therealroseanne May 30

5000 illegals voted for Hillary in Virginia. TRUMP actually won Virginia...

I disagree R403. The show had some good jokes about Roseanne leaving early or tormenting Leon as a waitress, but for the most part she's still shown as a hard worker. Even Leon has to begrudgingly admit it sometimes. And during that time you see Dan and Roseanne as very caring but flawed parents--part of what drives Becky away is her feeling put upon all the time and then unappreciated when she discovers her parents have no money saved for her for college. I thought the show did an excellent job of showing the ways the Connors were blind to how their economic hardship was affecting their kids BECAUSE they were otherwise close and good parents.

The show started to go off the rails AFTER Tom Arnold left. The Roseanne character changed from a snarky but otherwise genuinely likeable woman to a straight up mean bitch. You totally believe the Roseanne of the early seasons, as much as she picks on her friends and family, would scratch the eyes out of anyone who would hurt them. The Roseanne of the later seasons is ready to scratch their eyes out herself. And Jackie changed from a sometimes neurotic and flaky but otherwise independent and competent woman to a complete nutjob who could barely dress herself without her sister's guidance.

Kathy Griffin is gonna fix her career by playing Crystal's sister Babs from Arkansas

Roseanne is ripping Kathy a new one on Twitter over what she did, calling her a traitor.

Roseanne is likening Kathy to ISIS and threatening her with physical violence.

Receipts R410, R409 ?

You idiots, Roseanne family were BERNIE VOTERS, not Trump voters.

R412:

That would be true if it was still 1994.

As mentioned upthread, Roseanne had this nasty habit of altering the show's trajectory to parallel her real life. She didn't even seem to care if it made sense to do so.

If she is living that Don Dump life right now, then her track record suggests it's Dump cakes she will serve...

If the real Roseanne stays true to the character Roseanne, there is no way the latter would fall for Trump's bullshit. She'd be the first and loudest person in town mocking him for his fraud trial, refusal to show his taxes, the pussygrabbing comments, his gold toilets, etc.

From what we know of the real Roseanne though, I don'thave much hope for that.

R414 A few great scenarios have been posted above for how this could work.

I'm all for her returning as Archie Bunker.

"It was never all about David."

He was a major part of the show. Didn't Roseanne unofficially adopt him or something? I seem to recall him wanting to live with the Conner family; at first she tells him he has to go home to his mother, but then finds how his mother is abusive to him so she takes him in. And of course there was the absurd storyline about the love affair between him and Darlene. That was REALLY stupid. Darlene should have been a dyke; Sara Gilbert had no chemistry with any male actor. She should have had a girlfriend, not a boyfriend.

R416 No.

I can't wait.

R387

R389 that's such an intriguing idea and I'd love to see it pulled off well, but honestly Allen would run rings around the rest of the cast comedically and wouldn't really fit in with their characters either. Tim 'the Toolman' Taylor epitomised the normative & comfortably-off middle-class guy with an entrepreneurial streak; hardly the sort to run with Roseanne and her eccentric brood scrambling to make a living. Perhaps Darlene Conner & Randy Taylor could have had a friendship of sorts, and perhaps Dan & Tim could have hit it off geeking out over hardware, but beyond that it's hard to picture how that would play.

That said, 'Roseanne' and 'Home Improvement' both espoused that destructo-comedy element.

So they're looking to *trans*..I mean.."cast" a "gender creative" 9-yr-old boy.

The big question is... Will Crystal come back?

Can't support her or the show if she is a big Trump defender. I wouldn't go to a Ted Nugent concert either, no difference.

I read some of some article about Laurie Metcalf not long ago in New York Magazine. It asked about the Roseann revival, what it was going to be like, and Metcalf said she hadn't ever seen a script yet! I guess there isn't one. I guess Metcalf is just waiting like everybody else to see if this thing is actually going to happen at all.

Felt this was worth a bump.

Lmao, that was quick!!!!

FAIL/

She never could act, and has done nothing but tweet racist tripe for the past ten years

Wow. Metcalf has certainly had a hell of a year since not getting that script.