Lives of 40-Something Gay Men in Hell's Kitchen Focus of New Comedy Series

Don't hold your breath - they haven't raised the money yet.

(& quite frankly, having watched the video (@ link) - those gurls are in major DL danger)

Hell's Kitchen is the gayest neighbourhood in the world? Shame we couldn't do better than that.

They probably post here so don't be too mean. Done with sincerity it might be a cool piece of television but I feel the one guy will dominate everything or die (or dye) trying. Also, they looked very everyman. Isn't there one or two fading A gays we could watch, desperately clinging on as time marches against them?

I see beards, brunches, Tina, gyms, and general cuntiness.

I LIKE the fact that they show average looking guys,as opposed to beautiful,wealthy prima donnas like 99% of shows .When they deign to show us at all. Unfortunately,as one ages you lose interest in other peoples lives so Im not sure what demographic they are trying to appeal to.

From the looks of those guys, a more accurate title would be "West 50s."

It's a kickstarter which means OP is a friend of Mark Sam and the other clone.

What can you tell us about them OP?

Why should we give them money?

Good marketing though-- DLers are mostly in their 50s, but all look 10 years younger, so right in your demographic.

Brian Sloan is a very funny writer.

Who will be playing The Angel of Death? These guys look positively fatal!

Exhausting.

Sounds fun. Assuming this project actually comes to fruition I look forward to checking it out.

IDK the Rosenthal guy is pretty cute. I would watch it if it wasn't the A - List older set.

American gays always look so smiley, whenever I see these kinds of things posted on DL. Look at OP's photo.

Yet this is not the image I get when I read DL.

Jokey, yes - smiley, no.

Interesting.

North 40s by the look of it.

What bugs me when I see these things and the way they're trying to sell this - is how gays portray themselves as so 'pleased with themselves'.

& when they're sitting on the stoop - "I sleep with men, not twinks!" Hahhaha.

"I have a trainer!" - hahhaha

Such clichés. Sex and the gym - hahhahha

The guy on the left in OPs picture has a nasty toupee.

"We have go-go boys in the pilot".

Gee, I'm sure to tune in!

The previous formula of bland pretty boys leading fabulous lives hasn't been successful for a gay themed TV series. Time for a different approach and fresher perspective.

How about a show based upon closeted professional athletes who become intimate, and the surrounding controversies and consequences they have to navigate along the way? Lot's of opportunities for gratuitous nudity..

[quote]The previous formula of bland pretty boys leading fabulous lives hasn't been successful for a gay themed TV series. Time for a different approach and fresher perspective.

You see these guys as bland pretty boys?

Nobody wants to watch ugly 40somethings.

They didn't want to watch gorgeous, whiny WASPS either. Ask the casts and crew of QAF or Looking.

Oh, that's right. You can't.

R19, read R18 again. Focus on that word "previous."

Queer as Folk was a hit, which is why it ran for 5 seasons.

What used to be called "The Meatpacking District" is now called "The Fudgepacking District"!

I mean really, all these guys are the guys that nobody talks to at the sadder bars in town, this isn't "fabulous" this is "poppers don't work for me anymore so I dabble in meth..." They should just film it in booth 6 at the Vishara Video, that's where these girls are most actively located.

"Cane-de-sac"- Five middle-aged lesbians on a Toronto street (Rosie O'Donnell, Wanda Sykes, Portia de Rossi, Cynthia Nixon and Margaret Cho) navigate life and love the only way they know how- with humor!

[quote]Q***r as Folk was shit, even though it ran for 5 seasons, and it normalized anti-gay hate speech, malignant narcissism, and promiscuity.

Fixed.

That's the whole point r25, these aren't the hot 20-somethings, it's about looking at what life is like for these guys in their 40s living in Hell's Kitchen.

I wasn't a QAF fan, but it was a successful series for Showtimes r27. There has never been a strict correlation between quality and commercial success.

R28, these guys are approaching 60 and the only viewers for this potential nightmare ARE the two guys requesting the Kickstarter, nobody wants to watch a show about aging non-starter gays.

I live in HK and I think these guys look nice and the show seems kinda sweet. I might give a little $$$.

R30, you're part of the reason gay media got so homogenized.

[quote]I see beards, brunches, Tina, gyms, and general cuntiness.

What about us?

I bet their breath smells like HK delivery boy cock.

Can't we just watch the Golden Girls for free?

They think Netflix is going to scoop it up? Oy vey! It should be called "Grifty Fifty" I mean really...

Hmm, maybe.

That video is HORRID!

Horrible.

The stuff they think is so hysterical and interesting (about gay middle aged life) wouldn't even get half a dozen responses as topics on DL - & they would only be sneers (& jeers).

Despite their silly clothes and trendy haircuts, both those gentlemen look like they haven't been in their 40s for at least a couple years.

WHORES! Every last one of 'em.

Their lives ARE a comedy series.

It should be called "West Ended" because those old queens are OVAH!

I am fairly certain I've fucked one or both of them.

I must say I do rather love when these kinds of things appear on DL. I love the the responses.

The first episode features all of them sitting around arguing about what was better, Follies or Sunday in the Park.

One of the best threads in a while. The responses are great. I almost forgot..... the show looks shitty.

Sponsored by Depends and Polident.

What will it be called? "Metamucil and the City"?

"Let's all go to dinner. Whoever has the most STD's pays."

"Does this Syphilis make my MRSA look fat?"

That was nearly funny, R44.

I just watched the video and think it could be a cute show if the writing is up to par. As with just about anything else, it's all about the writing.

Do five guys really hang around each other like that. By your "40s" I would think you'd have maybe one or two good friends that you've known a long time and not run around like a gaggle of geese with four other people. I'd be exhausted trying to keep up with everybody's schedules and bullshit.

I agree the video is cringeworthy and those bitches are looking at their 40s from the rear view mirror.

God this looks positively dreadful. And can I say how sick I am of people begging for money to shoot a pilot? It all starts with a script, and if this one was good enough they'd have real interest and not have to Internet beg to fund a pilot. This won't even make it to YouTube. NEXT!

[quote]The guy on the left in OPs picture has a nasty toupee.

Nope. I know Mark, and that's his real hair. He's a lovely guy and lots of fun, and indeed about 43 or 44 at the most.

Brian I know less well, but forever. He's very close to 50 and has been knocking around forever. He seems ONLY to write scripts about college-aged gays, so I must commend him for this. They are both hard working guys and very easy to like on a personal level. I hope it succeeds for them.

[quote]They are both hard working guys.

That's the most American thing I've read on DL in a very long time.

This is bound to be a DL classic!

Sorry but are they really in their 40's?

I think it looks GREAT!

Forties? Oh, honey...

They have two looks, Hit Me and Hate Me.

Were they born in the 40's?

I like them and wish them the best, but the writing is going to have to be an improvement over the humor we saw in that intro video.

Jeff Hiller is really hilarious- I'm sure you all remember him from Bloody, Bloody Andrew Jackson where he killed it.

I live on 9th Avenue in the 40's so it's a lot of fun to see the locations I walked by everyday. I think there could be a big market for this show amongst gays, but I don't know if it will have crossover appeal with straight people.

The hair and clothing style the two kweens in the begging video have is right out of the film Partners, there's nothing sadder than old gays trying to "stay young", yuck.

[quote]Sorry but are they really in their 40's?

Can't you read?

[quote] He's a lovely guy and lots of fun, and indeed about 43 or 44 at the most.

[quote]I live on 9th Avenue in the 40's so it's a lot of fun to see the locations I walked by everyday.

Fun for YOU only.

[quote] I think there could be a big market for this show amongst gays, but I don't know if it will have crossover appeal with straight people.

I do and it won't.

[quote]This is bound to be a DL classic!

The TV show or the thread?

The goodies you get if you give money are the funniest I've ever seen on a begging site.

This might be worth a look. Maybe. I kind of enjoy "Old Dogs, New Tricks," which has a 50-something (mostly) focus.

One prelim thought: As someone sneered upthread, why must there always be go go boys? I guess I have nothing against checking them out--some of them--but if this is a series meant to reflect the lives of gay men of a certain vintage, I question the frequency of go go boys. Isn't that what porn is for? Or Scruff? Or whatever? Do gaggles of gays in larger cities still converge upon go go boy joints? I guess I'd say to the writers and producers of this to focus more on the jokes or stories, and go sparingly on the go go boys. Don't they have some hot friends they could exploit for free?

Another thought: This isn't meant to be a discussion of old vs. young or holding on to youth or older passing as younger because DL has plenty of those threads. Specifically, I'm tired of so-so looking guys (these guys are handsome to me, though) constantly scoring with younger, hotter guys, as if that's the norm. I call it the "Frasier" syndrome. Kelsey's character always had a beautiful and younger lady on his arm.

Well, good luck to these guys. Hope they tweak it and don't produce a cliche.

R71 the guys in that video will NEVER be scoring with "younger, hotter guys" unless they are paying them, these are the guys you block on Grindr, the mustache on the oldster with the cabana shirt is a living, breathing 'throwback thursday' with a healthy heaping of sadness.

[quote] Sorry but are they really in their 40's?

They were, once upon a time.

Why don't they just call it [italic]The Golden Gays[/italic] and be honest about it?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.......will they do a restaurant tour on 9th ave visiting all the ethnic hang outs? I love Afghan Kebab House, Nizza, and Yum Yum Thai.

I bet they fart a lot.

"But after a night playing a game of “Celebrity” at Rosenthal’s “Valentine’s Lonely Hearts” night last February...". That's the saddest sentence I've ever read. EVER.

Since none of you seem to know how to use the internet: Mustache Guy is only 43 (but looks much older) while the red-haired guy is 51. (Going on year they graduated from college according to LinkedIn--they could be a year or two in either direction)

They're both in that weird space (you see it a lot here in LA too) where it's unclear how they actually make money--I'm guessing there are corporate gigs and maybe retainer fees for more banal stuff while they make "art."

The casting is unfortunate in that they're all mincing prisspots and nobody wants to see a show about five mincing prisspots. The reason QAF worked (commercially) is because most of the actors were masculine and that allowed fraus to insert themselves into the fantasy.

The video at OP is just awful too. It's supposed to be a casual conversation but I can almost feel the elbow in the ribs with every line. The scripted parts too--just bad cliché about the one guy wanting twinks.

Finally the actors all have faces for radio. Not even British TV where looks are a bit more realistic. Remember that the "nerdy insecure" characters on Queer as Folk and Looking were played by actors who were very good looking, 8s, where the "handsome guy" was a 9.

Gay men do not want to watch themselves get older. Period.

This will never work as a show/series.

R78 Yes! If they were SERIOUS about this idea they would NEVER BE ON IT. It's billed as a "sitcom", but they are shooting it as a pre-fail reality concept about unattractive old gays who evidently haven't looked in the mirror since Pride 2003. It's a vanity project for the terribly aging "43 year old" prisspot.

[quote]Since none of you seem to know how to use the internet: Mustache Guy is only 43 (but looks much older)

The fact that he looks like he just got off the slow bus from 1977 doesn't help.

[quote]Since none of you seem to know how to use the internet: Mustache Guy is only 43 (but looks much older) while the red-haired guy is 51. (Going on year they graduated from college according to LinkedIn--they could be a year or two in either direction) They're both in that weird space (you see it a lot here in LA too) where it's unclear how they actually make money

If you knew how to use the internet, you'd have uncovered this information. There's plenty of it.

[quote]Finally the actors all have faces for radio

I wish this didn't matter to the gays. Some of the best tv/movies out there have nerdy/sometimes downright ugly straight men as leads (look at Love on Netflix, for example). I'd love nothing more than a show about regular gay men dealing with regular problems and life but it will never happen.

Mark Sam has BDF

Please, if this series makes it to television, it will surpass all of the Real Housewife shows in the number of posts on DL. New York queens will account for 95% of the posts, as they talk about which people they have slept with, or the places that are shown. All of the posts will be catty and bitchy, leading to more posts. It would be a DL bonanza, and you're all secretly hoping that it makes it on the air.

they're all so shitty and old.

An old queen like Mark Sam is beyond exhausting, she has a trainer?! Please! She needs an iron lung.

R85, this will NEVER make it to television, this concept would be passed on in two seconds, hence the begging, it's a lark for the two fossils to gab about during their lonely brunches. DOA.

Makes my 19 year old twink ass feel like dancing !

So hilarious when bitches turn on each other, like rats on a sinking ship. Keep it up, cunts! You're hilarious.

r86, r87, r88 all bring the C-U-N-T to DL.

[quote]That's the most American thing I've read on DL in a very long time.

I wrote that.

I meant to point out the once popular virtue of not being a dilettante!

Yes R83, but even on "Love" his nerdiness is balanced out by her beauty. And the premise of the show is about how he's nerdy and not very good looking.

It's how Americans have been trained--we need to see handsome and pretty people as leads.

Younger Mark Sam >>

In drag >>

R94, whoa, he's aged about 100 years since that photo, maybe the show should be about gay vampires? 9th Avenue Suckers!

They only need 12.5K to film the pilot? Can't they just raid their savings? That's not a lot of $$ between 5 people.

Savings?! Those two look like they couldn't scrape together enough for the dinner specials at the Westway Diner!

I know just how you feel

[quote] They only need 12.5K to film the pilot? Can't they just raid their savings? That's not a lot of $$ between 5 people.

[italic]Pink Flamingos[/italic] cost that 45 years ago. What the hell happened to the value of the American dollar?

Pilot?! This isn't entertainment this is evidence!

[quote] They only need 12.5K to film the pilot? Can't they just raid their savings? That's not a lot of $$ between 5 people.

That's not the point though

Raising money through Kickstarter lets you use other people's money (which they will never see back, it's not like backing a studio movie, lol) and, more importantly, create buzz. They can try and sell it to Logo or whoever with the proviso that "there's so much interest in this, we were able to raise the money to shoot it from KS."

I think Mark Sam is cute,but I wouldnt fuck any of the others on a bet,and Im an old toad myself. Especially that fat black queen.She doesnt "do" twinks? really ? She wishes a twink would want to have sex with her !

There are gay projects worth donating to because you know the final product will be worth the cause. Marco Berger's "Hawaii" was also put on a crowdfunding site, and I can't say that was a bad idea at all. However this mess? The premise of the show sounds like a bunch of 40 year olds that act like they are still in their early 20's.

"Nothings wrong with being 50. Unless you're acting 20."

Gross!

Whoa Nelly! This gaggle of unattractive gays reek of stale pizza and poppers, put a fork in 'em all!

Navigating life?!

No gurls. Just... no.

Just the name Mark Sam is a turn-off.

I would do Mark Sam Rosenthal. I don't find him ugly at all. I'm sure he's hung like a mule, too.

As for the show? Yes, I would watch it. There are plenty of middle-aged gay men who are still vibrant and engaging, and we should hear their stories. I wish they were friends with NYC weatherman Mike Woods, because he would be a great example of a fortyish gay man still enjoying life and men.

Mike Woods, for those who don't know.

R111 = West 40's "star" John-Andrew Morrison typing between bites of pizza and sleeping with "men" not "twinks."

[quote]I'd love nothing more than a show about regular gay men dealing with regular problems and life

Same here

Well, that's not this tragic show R114.

[quote]The writers have been friends since they met at an “Amateur Strip Night” at the Stonewall Inn back in 2001

Umm....

All you need to know about this show is ready and waiting for you on Mark-Samz Facebook page, he and his elderly fab hobbits are trying to do a "Live" sass session during Drag Race and it's playing to three people and has the pacing and narrative of the security cam at a Marshall's in Ohio. They all appropriate the "sistah" finger snap form and have NOTHING to say, let's face it, this "show" is a vanity project for a few guys who don't get out much, the Zapruder film would be more fun to watch.

It's a shame they're all so, well, 'GAY'!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[quote]It's a shame they're all so, well, 'GAY'!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You think if they weren't >>'GAY'!!!!!!!!!!!!!' >> they'd be bothered trying to make a thing like this?

There should be a Kickstarter to turn this thread into a series.

The fat one is always shoveling pizza down her throat, lawd please!

Try 60s.

This series would make a strong case in support of eminent domain.

They haven't been fortysomething since the last episode of [italic]thirtysomething[/italic].

I can picture those two muppet mouthed queens constantly exclaiming about "the show" up and down 9th Avenue on an endless loop, "This would be great for the show"..."We've got to put that on the show"..."Save it for THE SHOW!", please, save US from THE SHOW!

[quote]Lives of 40-Something Gay Men in Hell

Oh darn, I thought that's what it was going to be about.

I'm not sure why they need that sort of money to shoot a pilot which I assume is going to be used to sell the series. Anyone with the ability to pick up basic filming/editing skills can film, edit and put something together for a lot less than that. I suggest they start this as a few short YouTube episodes with a link to Instagram and try and raise interest that way. It will also let them know if they a) Have an audience so they can use that when selling the series and b) If they have enough insight/storylines to actually make a complete series.

Good on then for having a go. I just feel they may not be the guys to take this somewhere interesting.

Yeah R127, if they were serious they'd never cast themselves, especially the two in the begging video intro, they are the types who were born to be "behind the camera."

As I said in R1

[quote]& quite frankly, having watched the video (@ link) - those gurls are in major DL danger

How right I was.

I have no interest in a gay Sex & the City.

What I would like to see is "The Cheyenne Jackson Story". E are doing a veiled Tom Cruise & Katie Holmes, aren't they? The lead could be fictionalised as "Cherokee Osmond". (Too obvious? Ok: "Barry Tenner"). We could start with, or better yet, have flashbacks to, his poor, religious childhood (early fumblings at choir practice?), interspersed with dressing room orgies, ODing at work, career travails (starring in an Oscarbait MOVIE! Then nothing. Starring on a SITCOM! Then cut back to minor player. Cabaret opportunities with an eldergay crooner - strangely short lived. Why? Paired up with a popstar who can't act on a genre show by blank faced Hollywood writer-director - lots of nudity), rehab, cults, new love with another addict. Lynda Carter can play the mom.

I'm also waiting for a mini series on the Soft Butch Sous chef murder.

Gay creatives really need to abandon defaulting to "let's make a sexy comedy, with some drama of course... and go go boys!". It was tired in the 90s, never mind now.

Will it be as funny and compelling as WHERE THE BEARS ARE?

Been done already, also on Vimeo---Where the Bears Are. Whhops--someone just posted. Still, 100-odd posts w/o attending to the obvious?

How have I missed the first 4 seasons of Where the Bears Are?

I like Where The Bears Are but then they are trying to be funny.

No audience on Earth or Mars wants to watch Mark Sam Rosenthal and Brian Sloan navigate the ups and downs of fucking elder gay life in Hell's Kitchen, donate that 12K to BC/EFA or The Ali Forney Center and cease the sad and tragic quest of the aged out Manhattan queens for fucks sake.

Well, looks like they won't be raising much money here. That's for sure.

Don't worry. There is still plenty of time left to donate. Donate now and donate often for this gay worthy project and let's get it on Netflix or HBO!

Set in Hell’s Kitchen NYC, "West 40s" is a new series written by Mark Sam Rosenthal & Brian Sloan. The show follows a group of five creative, savvy, raunchy gay friends, all in their 40s and mostly single, successful men about Midtown Manhattan. They’re not the cute young things on the Hell’s Kitchen block anymore—but is being a “daddy” maybe even better? Or does aging mean more dating and less sex? As “HK” has become party central for New York’s young gay scene, these characters are left to wonder if they want to stay at the shindig, or if they’ve aged out into a new phase...one where it’s “18 to party, 41 to think”?

For all these guys, one thing is clear: the way they’ve been managing their romantic and sexual lives isn’t working anymore, and now they each must find a new path through their 40s...while living in the West 40s.

THE PILOT EPISODE

"West 40s" will take a look at their lives through a six-episode first season written by Mark Sam Rosenthal & Brian Sloan. This Kickstarter will raise the funds to help us produce the series pilot, which will be directed by Brian Sloan and feature a cast that includes Mark Sam Rosenthal. The first episode (about 17-19 minutes) will introduce this interesting group of friends—T.J., Ryan, Dante, and Franklin—at a popular Hell's Kitchen restaurant as they gather to celebrate Luis’ 40th birthday. As the night devolves into chaos, confusion and strippers, Luis comes to see that there can be a happy ending of sorts to turning 40...and one that doesn’t necessarily involve a go-go boy.

It's this stupid premise that a show about 'being gay' is so fascinating in itself that bugs me. Oh, 'they're in their 40s' no one's done that yet, so let's do it!

For God's sake if you have to do a thing about gay men in their forties, have a storyline - maybe A THRILLER or something.

Will and Grace already did gay men in their 40s. So did Queer as Fuck. Looking was 30s.

So Will and Grace is the definitive (not to mention only) statement on gay life for people in their 40s? You named 3 shows over 20 years. I doubt this project is on that scale.. but I would watch an episode.

Anyways...the video is not strong. The one with the mustache is OK but he might be repeating what the other one says a few times? Maybe not the brains of the operation. They could have made it look a little more legit... less generic. And a few of them seem so have some industry experience which they could have talked up..

They're writing what they know: ins and outs and ups and downs of life as an elder in the gayborhood.

If that sounds entertaining, pitch in and tune in. If not, spend your money and time elsewhere.

Why hate?

It's the sadness that hangs over the begging video that haunts us, it's like Romy and Michele's Game Night Potluck

[quote]It's the sadness that hangs over the begging video that haunts us,

Us?

Speak for yourself 'we' troll.

Are these the types of gays that are on PrEP?

Their lives are way too one-dimensional to be able to generate enough material for a series of any kind.

R145 = Mark Sam Rosenthal typing between "yaaaaas kween" shouts and finger snaps.

I know the Sloan guy from somewhere, but I can't put my finger on it.

Nobody wants to put their finger on it.

Mark Sam Rosenthal Twitter...

"writer/actor/director @west_40s. celebrity. eager young lad and roue and cad."

Celebrity? Young? Lad? "ROUE"?????

The man is three weeks away from SSI benefits!

Geez, yet another gay Peter Pan. zzzzzz

I will donate- I like to contribute to people with a terminal illness and will die soon. That bears video is embarrasing-typical of gays and their silly and neurotic behavior.

Why would anyone choose to live in a gay ghetto like HK? It sounds like a fate worse than death. What's the STD rate there?

[quote]Are these the types of gays that are on PrEP?

What would be the need? Who would fuck them?

Every time I read HK I think Hong Kong.

Rather than trying to generate interest out of their lives, why not do a version of Grumpy Old Gay Men? All the older guys I know are always bitching and moaning about something. It seems like such an obvious idea. Has it already been done?

[quote]Rather than trying to generate interest out of their lives, why not do a version of Grumpy Old Gay Men?

I think because gays always need to present themselves as FABULOUS and funny and quirky these days, on TV and film. It's a sort of PC thing. Understandable - but the result is boring.

Seeing how hard it is to create a show and write intriguing content to sustain someone's attention, made me have much more respect for shows like Will and Grace, Sex and the City and even crap like Queer as Folk. I mean these people struggle to fill one episode with content so much props to those who can fill 10 seasons of content.

I should think they know about this thread by now.

When I left NYC, Chelsea was just starting to happen - gaywise.

I guess it just moved further uptown.

I'm even old enough to remember the West Village.

[quote] I should think they know about this thread by now.

Well, they are not blind. Even though their fashion choices may lead you to think otherwise.

It's amazing how gay men like this are completely lacking in any self awareness. Oh well, they're in for a very rude awakening, about five plus decades late.

You mean the ones trying to tear them down on this site?

Farting contest?!

I hope they don't take what we say to heart. Any ribbing is done in good fun. It's a hazing. Yes, there's a lot to make fun of but I do wish these elderqueens the best.

I think a serious drama would have been more interesting (and daring). Or a drama-thriller.

It will just be more gay clown comedy cliche.

No, I'm talking about kaweens like you R164.

lame comeback

Omg.

Perhaps take it the extreme.

One of the characters is in hospital for a month receiving intensive syphilis treatment.

Another is looking after an elderly parent that they don't really like, but is the only sibling taking up the job.

Another finds out his internet lover is underage but is still in love with him.

And the last one tired of the gay scene, marries his demanding fag hag friend and moves to suburbia.

And just call it "FARKED"

You like?

R173 okay, Mr Rosenthal can be the syphilis one then.

I already hate them.

The guys are the type that stay until the very last second at Paddles/Encore hoping SOMEONE will accept their claw handed advances, heads full of dreams, teeths on the night table in a glass full of fizz...

Jesus R176. Dark.

[quote]You mean the ones trying to tear them down on this site?

At least they're trying to fill a demand for which gay men are desperate: entertainment that reflects gay life the way it really is, and shows that depict what aging is like for a gay man in a realistic way.

Huh R178? That Kickstarter clip in NO WAY describes or showcases normal, mature gay men in any realistic manner, instead it's a sad reveal about 50 something's tragically gasping to be FABULOUS 20ish kweens, I mean that blond mess has a fucking Bieber cut!

No one wants to see this in New York, the most overused and overexposed location in the world.

On a very special episode of WEST 40's Jeff gets his baby teeth stuck in the gloryhole, Mark Sam gets some upsetting news at the clinic, Brian has an embarrassing gastrointestinal "moment" with a go-go boy trick and John-Andrew finally finds a pizza that he DOESN'T love.

As someone upthread said, it needs a plotline, other than being gay. Why do gay people think they are so interesting/fabulous? It's actually just tiring to be around these types of gays for any length of time, let alone give them money to document any of it. There has to be something of merit to warrant the attention, a bunch of old queens trotting out sentiments of regret over being single in their 50's .... well there's about a million others in HK who have this market covered already.

Mark-Sam Rosenthal has been trying to "make it" for 100 years, he's exhausting and a bitch.

Five gay friends in their 40s, totally unrealistic right from there.

Lol @ R178. "Realistic way." Hysterical.

These guys look very attractive to me. Then again, I'm their age and live in HK, so I guess I am one of them, so to speak. It's easy to see the shallow and superficial stuff in HK life, but take it from someone who lives there, there's a lot more beneath the surface. There are lot of great guys there with a lot of heart and love who form life-long bonds that transcend all the shallow crap. They form their own little families and see each other through the good and bad times. Believe me, life here is more than just standing and posing, hookups. and fabulous brunches.

I'm just so... sad that R186 finds that attractive. Gurl... no.

R186 you in danger gurl.

Why are raising money for this? It was done already...

The gay population of Hell's Kitchen mostly consists of unemployed chorus boys and hustlers.

This thread has made my day. I really thought Datalounge was dead, or at least taken over by witless twinks.

YOU BITCHES ARE STILL HERE AFTER ALL!

Guys! They got their first corporate sponsor!

I expect it will be heavily promoted here:

You people are awful. Just awful. I suspect these negative nancies are the same seethingly jealous posters from the Tommy and Gio thread.

Maybe Metamucil will put up some of the money for it.

Why do American gay movies and TV shows seem to always depict gays as pathetically shallow immature playboys when European gay movies and TV shows don't?

First off, and these dismal queens seem to work in the business, they should be doing a 6 to 11 minute sizzle reel to sell a show, NOT a 12K "pilot", nobody will Wayne the time to watch such a thing for a pitch, nobody. Secondly, the two greyfaced elder gays in the begging vid would NEVER be allow to "star" in such a project, and Netflix or HBO would NEVER allow this project in the front door, it's all ego and delusional desperation.

*take, not Wayne!

I agree that NYC is a bit over-exposed. "Old Dogs, New Tricks," is LA based.

I'm a sucker for 40-plus or 50-plus series about gay men striving to maintain or persevere. Doesn't matter what city is used, probably, as long as its done well.

Question, though: Where the hell are they? Movies? Anything? When I look at Netflix gay offerings, the quality just isn't there, imho.

It Gets Worse!

I go on TV for to make the money. No suck Reichen

It's telling that all the b-roll for this focuses on hot 20 year olds out and about, then BAM, you get the ancient looking cast, hilarious!

Gee, R200 - he really isn't funny is he?

& why the southern gayvoice?

[quote]life here is more than just standing and posing, hookups and fabulous brunches.

R186 - you should write the series. You have the perfect punchline right there. PLUS you'd bring soul to the project:-

[quote]but take it from someone who lives there, there's a lot more beneath the surface. There are lot of great guys there with a lot of heart and love who form life-long bonds that transcend all the shallow crap. They form their own little families and see each other through the good and bad times.

& just call it "Hell's Kitchen" for God's sake!

It's so true R204, right there the poster has the ability to whip up something more engaging and original, the West 40s elder egomaniacs can't and won't because they have no internal content beyond their myopic Gay Peter Pan desperation. This project has nothing to do with valid creativity, it's the uncastable Rosenthal's desperate plea to be a "celebrity."

Ugh!!! Cliches and stereotypes galore.. No thanks, these guys do not speak for me and/or represent me and the other 40 something plus gay males I know... These guys also can use their own damn money. It's not hard to find out how much their "worth".. This is just some sad attempt at getting "play money" for their doomed "project".

Turn off your fucking t.v.'s already folks, there's a whole big world out there.

YIKE! These guys look like extras in their own life! Living breathing throwback thursdays to 1994! And that mustache on the annoying attention hog in the kickstarter video, Mary Please!!!!!!!

That's exactly the problem with the entire premise of the show. It looks like something from a time capsule from 20-25 years ago. Except that the protagonists have aged but pretend that they're still hot young things back in 1994. I mean, I'm the demographic this is being geared towards (I'm 47) but it's just sad. Not sure I'd even watch it for some sentimental value. The world has moved on and so should they.

Why do they need 12 thousand dollars? That's unexpectedly high for such a project, there's no need to do a pilot, nobody buys a pilot, they either show interest in a concept or sizzle pitch, this smells more like an attention gambit, they are already labeling themselves "stars of West 40's" on their social media, it's kinda shady and despicable.

OMG - can you link Facebook videos?

Look at this, GUUUURL!

Shading poor Cheyenne 's JO vidéo:

R210! TRAGIC.

Ok, I'll bite. Pizza, chips and a basket of shrink-wrapped bread?

They should call the show The Unwatchables, I bailed at second five of that Facebook footage, cackling and unfunny.

[quote][R210]! TRAGIC.

That GAYtalk!

"Who do you have to fuck around here to get tickets to Hello Dolly?"

CUE: Hysterical laughter.

They think they're being funny!

They're ORTHODOX homosexuals. EVERY fucking thing they say is GAAAAAAAY & olde tyme cliché gay.

Here's the direct link

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>>>>

3 grand in 8 days, boys, or we don't get this!

The queen next to Obama looks like Paul Benedict.

"Orthodox Homosexuals" is my new favorite phrase.

Thank you R215! It's perfect on so many levels. Well done.

I can't believe someone from NYC said he finds these men attractive. I'm in my 30s, live on the W20s, and these guys would be in the bottom 20% looks-wise. Maybe bottom 10%. If they were a HK bar/gym, there's a good chance they'd be the least attractive people there.

Also- learning to navigate life? In their 40s? Shouldn't they have learned that about 25 years ago?

I think it would be great to have a show about gay 40 year olds, but the content has to be more mature than what was presented in the video.

Exactly R221! Mark Sam Rosenthal is incapable of being natural, he's a DESPERATE queen who is infantry at Comedy Central yet acts like the gay Lorne Michaels if you speak to him, he's been screeching for attention for YEARS in the comedy scene but his lack of talent and gay Stepin Fetchit act has proven unattractive to most across the board. This ENTIRE travesty is his ego gone wild. SAD!

It's ironic that the real-life characterization that r222 described would make for a much more interesting series premise than the tired cliché ripoff premise that they are trying to get money for.

WTF? White gay man making fun of Katrina? Oh that's a reaaaaaaallllll riot...smdh.

Reading:

More reading:

She's aged 20 years since those pictures, lay off the poppers gurl!

He is at the twilight of his career.

Mumbled delivery due to lazy tongue syndrome.

Who wants to watch a show about womanly gay men?

You guys better be careful... Last time we mocked and berated a tired old cliched queen, she "sleep walked" off a building(see Chris Hyndman).. They have delicate feelings, and fragile egos.....

But R231, these guys are ALREADY DEAD!

The entire premise is vulgar.

I don't think these guys are bottom 10% for looks.

R234 = Jeff Hiller's shattered mirror.

Ha, I'm just thinking the average Hells Kitchen bar isn't overflowing with beauties... Still think Rosenthal is kinda cute. You'd want a way to shut him up during sex tho.

Sleep walking off a building isn't a problem when you can only afford a ground level or basement apartment.

GAY MEN IN HELL would make a funny series

I have a feeling these West "40" oldsters still celebrate special occasions with Cosmos and Magnolia Bakery cupcakes.

[quote]Mike Woods, for those who don't know.

YES, PLEASE!!!

At R217: I miss The Obamas. 😢

For it to be picked up it must stand out. It's average at best. I'm sorry to say.

[quote]I have a feeling these West "40" oldsters still celebrate special occasions with Cosmos and Magnolia Bakery cupcakes.

Oh, no, gurl. You haven't got their number at all. They go to The Erotic Bakery.

>>>>

& >>>

This looks RIVETING.

[quote]"Who do you have to fuck around here to get tickets to Hello Dolly?"

That used to be me asking whose leg you had to hump to get a drink around here.

It is a shame that that 40 something gay psychologist who treated gay clients and wrote a book about being gay and aging, who offed himself in Chelsea a few years ago, didn't see that queen's video- it could have saved his life.

R224: I thought it was in the shape of Florida.

I like the idea of it, but I'd imagine they're telling us the funniest bits in that little video. And "back pain" is just not funny or original.

In the current climate of content demands the entire thing is DOA, nobody is looking for what they are hoping to be pitching, the hurdle is insurmountable.

This show sounds annoying.

You sound annoying!!!🖕🏼

West 45th & Annoying pretty much sums it all up R251, these bugeyed prisspots have no place in civilized entertainment.

[quote]In the current climate of content demands the entire thing is DOA, nobody is looking for what they are hoping to be pitching, the hurdle is insurmountable.

Goodness. Star Trek talk. I don't understand a word.

These guys aren't hot, but I think it would be interesting to watch a series about how unattractive guys navigate the gay scene in NYC. With so much perfection on every corner of HK how do they do it, besides hiring of course.

R255--I think you just hit upon an excellent idea! Instead of faking acceptance and craving adulation, let's see honesty. Show the process of dating or not dating, apps, Grinder or Scruff or other ones. Show rejections. Show the minor triumphs. ACCURATELY show the process!

Yes, if they allowed themselves to be (somewhat lovingly) humiliated and degraded I think it would endear them to the audience much more than lame self-deprecating jokes about back pain. We should watch one of them try to hook up on grindr and see 10 consecutive "blocked," "blocked, "blocked."

I'm sure this is true everywhere, but it's especially true in NYC: you're ALWAYS on the hunt for the next best thing. You make out with one eye open to survey other options. Personally I haven't gone on a single date in the past 8 years that I've live in HK- I'm way too busy having fun on scruff and grindr to think of being monogamous, even for a month or two. I'm a whore darlin', and I love it!

But what of the guys who can't do that? The ones who are always rejected? The rare gays in NYC who DO have to settle? The shame must be so intense and worth exploring.

Yes, again, R257, and salut to your own inner peace and success.

In the earlier days of televised tennis coverage, the camera coverage usually focused on the court from overhead, or the side, and shots of the crowd. Shots of the players were of the player who won the great point. One of the players, John Newcombe, suggested to whomever was in control, that to enhance the sport's appeal, and show honesty at the same time, SOMETIMES show the immediate reaction of the player who just LOST the point.

I don't ALWAYS want to see projects where the moderators/stars are always having the upper hand, smirking, quipping. Mix it up. Step aside and let the moment or situation be the star. Be the supporting player.

[quote] so much perfection on every corner of HK

LOL

R258, y'all don't know Mark Sam Rosenthal, he gets upset if there's a little baby in the room stealing his thunder, getting him to accept he's NOT the "hot" center of attention will be like telling Trump not to Tweet!

R257, you're right about the competitiveness and have as much meaningless fun as you like but know that it gets less cute with each passing year. You can delude yourself and put it off a long time by surrounding yourself with ever newer trashier friends but you too have an expiry date.

I think the guys in that clip haven't accepted that they are actually something east of FIFTY and definitely not the hot and attractive specimens the world of gay dating craves, if the show was about a bunch of socially stymied misfits who can't fit in among the young gods I'd watch, but the guy with the mustache seems exhausting, maybe actually cast actors?

You can be gay and single and wild even at any age but wait for the heartbreak of watching the last of your straight friends settle down and do kids when you're late 30s. Fuck, has any solidity in my home life sailed for me?

I don't have any straight friends. I have a close circle of six gay friends- all live in UWS, HK or Chelsea- and I seriously doubt any of them are looking to settle down, have kids and move to Jersey.

I do wonder sometimes, "What will happen to me when I turn 40?" but I think I can cross the bridge when I come to it. I know I won't be able to keep this life up forever, but why not enjoy it while I can?

Good for you. Have as much fun as you can! My prob. is all my gay friends are coupled and/or married.

One of those fugs has bugchaser on their Squirt profile, atta gurl!

[quote] With so much perfection on every corner of HK ....

LOL. HK is infested with meth whores with wrecked holes

Hahaha! R267, they SHOULD call the show WRECKED 40's! These dizzy queens look fifty and act twenty!

The man on the right in OPs photo-his teeth match his hair!!!

Some of you are starting to sound jealous. HK has the highest concentration of hot guys in perhaps the world. Those blessed blocks around 9th Avenue are truly the gay mecca of the universe.

I live in Chelsea and in my mid 30s. I don't understand the mentality not wanting to settle down. My partner and I plan on having a kid soon because we don't find it fulfilling to fuck every cute slut we meet. I know we will have to make personal sacrifices to raise a kid, but at least your efforts serve a purpose. If I were in my 40s, doing drugs, catching chlamydia a few times a year, I would just have to shoot myself.

Before you accuse me of being ugly, can't find a hook-up, you can save it. I don't have Grindr and get asked out/offered sex all the time... often asked if my BF and I will do a 3-some.

[quote]With so much perfection on every corner of HK ....

[quote]LOL. HK is infested with meth whores with wrecked holes

Is this the part of town you're all talking about?

You can see the guy on the right in OP's pic soul die about twelve seconds into the clip after having to deal with the old queen on the left and his unfunny hysterics as the dire footage proceeds. Give us a show about Jeff Hiller navigating his Lon Chaney hairstyles and I'd watch.

If HBO or Netflix doesn't pick this up, then maybe Logo, Here!, or Lifetime would.

Logo should air it right after "Fire Island".

Huh? HBO, Netflix?! Lifetime? Not even Here! or Logo would touch this, these guys are purchase poison. Here's what's going to happen, if they scam the 12K they'll post it on YouTube and keep declaring there's "interest" in it for the next four years until they are priced out of HK and migrate to Jackson Heights.

Is there an AARP channel?

OK, maybe not HBO, but what about Showtime or AMC or FX or maybe even FXX or YouTube or VH1 or the CW? Maybe Bravo will take it since this is elderqueen Andy Cohen's demographic.

The only place this "pilot" will EVER be playing is on Mark Sam's iPad via his home movies library.

How many testing clinics per block are there in HK?

Yes there is, R277.

[quote]The gay population of Hell's Kitchen mostly consists of unemployed chorus boys and hustlers.

You're right, for the sake of getting some buzz they should call it, "Hell's Kitchen is Overrun With Old Whores"!

Not that would get some funds rolling in!

The two crones in the fund plea video would be perfect for something called "The 9th Avenue Unfuckables", do whatya know!

You're all a bunch of bitter old queens. We should take pride in becoming more visible, whether or not the situations/individuals are stereotypes. Who cares what the breeders think of us? Who cares if they show disdain to those of us who are big flaming spotlight-loving sissies who don't conform to some heteronormative construct? Why do we suddenly care what THEY think of us?

R284 = West 40's star Mark Sam Rosenthal posting from the third stall to the left in the Port Authority men's room while waiting for "a friend."

Being who you want to be is a great and noble thing, but "What will they think of this?" is the first and only question a media executive looking to buy a show will ask.

At least they are trying to do something.

You jealousers are sick, sick, sick. You're just jealous of their good looks, talent and money. You've hit a new low in your mockery. Congrats, losers! Meanwhile, while you all are getting your manties wet posting nasty comments on an anonymous gay message board about two gay men whom you've never even met, they're probably fucking like rabbits and espousing their love for one another.

The Jealousers! Now THAT is a show I'd WATCH!

"You jealousers are sick, sick, sick." Really,girl ? Wich one are you? The ugly blonde built like a weeble who's as desirable as a muppet,or the fat black queen that "doesnt do twinks" while shoving food in her gullet ? I know,your the "hot" one who they've all revolved around as you went through your many breakups and ups and downs of your acting "career" ? . Theres nothing enviable,sexual,or remotely interesting about nary a one of those bitches .Boring basic bitches.

R288! "Good looks"?????! The "Stars" of this ego fiasco are why radio was invented. There's nothing creative or worthy about their "show" which is anything but btw, it's an oasis in the sad sea of these grey old dishrag's salty tears! The pizza chugging, dirty shirted "token black", the baby toothed golem, the muppet shaped "blonde" and the mincing and manic "hottie", JEEEEZUS H CATASTROPHE, they are human wet wipes! Nobody wishes they were THEM!!!!

If they make it, imagine the fun we'll have.

R291- You just made me spit out my coffee. Absolutely hysterical rant. Bravo.

I want them to make it! Do you think they post here? Oh dear.

[quote][R291]- You just made me spit out my coffee. Absolutely hysterical rant. Bravo.

Speaking of Bravo, that's who they should be going after, not HBO or Netflix. This show would fit right in with the Real Housewives and Below Deck and their reality shows. Don't let this one get away, Andy! You could have the next potential Real Housewives franchise on your hands.

There HAS to be some good content out there about the 40s or 50s experience. I've noted "Old Dogs," above, but that's a web series. IS there anything?

Initially, I wrote of my interest in this debacle, but, allowing myself to follow the varied DL dissent, I'll only watch it for free, and with a claw sharpener at hand.

And, R291, I need every drop of MY coffee, but your rant was hilarious.

Bravo's reality shows may be trashy, but they have big budgets. There is no way junk like this would fit in. This belongs solely on Logo along with Finding Prince Charming and the soon to be trainwreck of Fire Island. If they could film FPC for $10/episode they could do the same here.

It could be a future camp, cult classic.

It needs canned laughter.

Every time someone quotes a line from Boys In The Band (like that guy did in the clip) - roars of laughter!

There's no way this boring old crew and their tired antics could sustain a series, and they seem to have no direction, it's going to be a scripted comedy but the clip is like reality, a mediocre mess. Just put your own money in and make it an indie or something, or just grow up.

baby toothed golem! Oh my.

They really should have worked harder on this presentation. In that rooftop conversation, they are both so stilted and awkward. If they'd rehearsed that, it could have come across well.

I missed the Boys in the Band quote. What was it?

[quote] Last time we mocked and berated a tired old cliched queen, she "sleep walked" off a building(see Chris Hyndman)..

This post from that thread still makes me laugh when I think about it:

[quote]The reports at the time said the fat ugly one was found in the alley deceased. The cops had to go to their apartment where they woke up a sleeping Steven to let him know his fat ugly badly toupeed partner was deceased.

Congratulations, R302, you're a sociopath.

Join us for the WACKY Season 1 Finale, when the gang goes in on a summer rental in beautiful... Chechnya??? (LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE)

So if there is a Baby Toothed Golem aspect to the group, could we Judd Apatow on board.

Just saying.............

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

GURLS: The Senior Year

I'm a gay male and I live in HK. I happen to run with a fabulous circle of friends. We're roughly the same age as these queens in the show (I'm 46), but unlike them, we are still pretty hot and very young looking (thanks for genes and/or healthy lifestyles). We all do pretty well with younger guys (i.e., 20s/30s) on the hookup apps. Life is great for us. The wall has never hit us, like it did the guys in the show.

If "War Paint" can keep selling tickets, there's an appetite for this among a certain set. But I'd rather see a series about 5 gay men in Western Mississippi who have struggled their entire lives with coming out, homophobia in the south, low wages and the like but are finally happy in their 40s.

It's funded, bitches. Handily.

[quote]$500 - Music (including an original series song)

One of you bitches write the theme tune FAST & send it in >>

[quote]$15,284

pledged of $12,500 goal

128 backers

4 days to go

[quote] Isn't there one or two fading A gays we could watch, desperately clinging on as time marches against them?

That's what FEUD: BETTE AND JOAN is about, basically. except they've made the gay men straight women.

How much do you want to bet that even with $15K, it's going to look like it was shot for $5 on an iPhone and look like a typical YouTube video?

Reichen should make an appearance as special guest star. They all probably salivate over him anyway.

Well, we should do a "KickStarter" for The Datalounge Show, or that ten-hour Datalounge play someone was dreaming of. People will fund anything!

12K so Mark Sam can do 48 minutes of bug eyed pearl clutching while channeling the cast of 227, I CANNOT wait to watch every second when it lands on his YouTube feed!

R317, YouTube feed? Bitch, please. Try ponying up a subscription to HBO if you want to watch.

Lol @R308.

R318 there is no way this "show" will end up on HBO, they are funding to shoot a pilot to then shop out to sell to a network, it is going to be a TOUGH sell, especially since they aren't doing it as a short sizzle, they are producing a semi-finished project, no studio wants that for a potential series. This will most likely end up as a short. The performers are not camera friendly, the premise tired, the only way HBO will be involved with this show is if it's on in the background as they film a scene.

First stop: The Hell's Kitchen apartment of Rafael Alencar.

Remaining balance: $11,500

[quote] One of you bitches write the theme tune FAST & send it in >>

I've got it!

Or how about...?

Or... ?

This is like those awful gay movies that guy Casper Andreasen (sp?) makes that he crowdfunds too.

They're not even good enough for Netflix.

Somehow convinces people they're supporting the arts, and that they're 'producers' lol.

This pilot will wind up on YouTube where it will get a mess of hits because gay and maybe help the two guys careers--they can point to it as proof of how popular they are. But it will not get picked up, not even by Logo. Delusional to think otherwise.

Exactly R325, 100% correct. The main problem with this is on all their social media they are billing themselves as "the stars of West 40's" as if it's already deep in season three, there is NO SHOW, none, zero, nadda.

Daniel Nardicio joins the cast

They are all orthodox homosexuals.

"Let's not easy as a gay in the N, Y, C... But so much better, on the P, R, E, P"

Stupid homosexualists.

"West 40"

Tagline:

So, so, so far west.

[quote]They are all orthodox homosexuals.

Birds of a feather...

[quote]They are all orthodox homosexuals.

If they could buy gay toothpaste - they would.

Can I art direct?

I did such a great job on Massive Attack's Unfinished Sympathy.

Sniff, sniff.

(R333) Isn't semen gay mouthwash?

"It's not easy as a gay in the N, Y, C... But so much better, on the P, R, E, P"

Too much Pinot gris.

ON TONIGHT'S NEW EPISODE: The boys find out the hard way that eating Mexican before an underwear party can bring on embrassment as Mark Sam suffers a fiesta in his briefs. Special guest star Boomer Banks.

LOL R333-- "gay toothpaste" is awesome.

And I suspect there is a brand that would qualify, some $25/tube toothpaste from Aveeda or similar

[queso]There is no way this "show" ends up on HBO. The performers are not camera friendly, the premise tired, the only way HBO will be involved with this show is if it's on in the background as they film a scene.

Why is it that so many of you have to shit on gay men? Why can't you phantom that this show could end up on HBO? Is it just jealousy? Is that it? You wish you could be them and live their lives instead of being stuck in a cubicle going nowhere in your life? Lena Dunham had the same problem. Everyone laughed at her and said there was no way HBO would pick up her show and how she was too fat and ugly to have cast herself as the star. Well, she sure showed them, didn't she? I do see history repeating herself Here!

R339 You ain't getting eighty-eight cents outta me, Rose!

Who's Rose 🌹? I'm Mark Sam.

Sorry, I didn't mean to say I'm Mark Sam. I mean I'm Matt Shane. Damn autocorrect. You can just call me anonymous.

You're fucking dumb is what you are.

We ought to make a list of Episode titles and plot summaries.

Season 1:Ep 8- So You Think You Can Cater

I thought HK was overrun with 20-something chorus bottoms. These boys don't look they've seen 20 since 1820.

No one ever said 20s, dear. We had always said 40s, hence the West 40s! Learn to read!! 📚

There's a very good chance this will end up on HISBO if you know anything about Mark Sam, I mean MATT SHANE.

Episode 1x07 - The One Without the Photo ID

One of the boys is FLABBERGASTED after a Veritas Studio Wines cashier asks for proof that he's over 21--and he left his ID at home! Hilarity ensues as he sends his much older-looking friends to navigate life through his extravagant condo in search of his card. The character in question is undisclosed at this time, due to cast demands that the audience guess which one looks the youngest.

R348 it's a toss up between the one with a touch of the Downs and the baby teeth or the fat black pizza addict, the other two are way too settled into HumeCronynville.

Episode 1x08 - Oye, My Aching Prostate

A couple of the bois are confronted with balancing the challenges of ageing and some hot hookups arranged for Saturday night. Despite visiting the best doctors and herbalists in the city, will the guys be able to convince their dates to go oral only?

You negative posters are all so smug, aren't you? At least these guys put themselves out there and are living life to its fullest in the best city for gay men. They know that life is a banquet and partake from it liberally. Good for them! I, for one, am jealous.

Oh please Miss Mary R351, the only thing those elders are partaking in is a Metamucil marathon.

Honey,those queens are "putting it out there" because they know in a city filled with hot,built men,they are INVISIBLE. Even the "hot" one.

this can be the theme song

Episode 1-01: the bois go to a industry, no one notices them Episode 1-02: the bois go to fire island, no one notices them Episode 1-03: the bois look for love on a dating website, no one messages them Episode 1-04: the bois go to the steam room and their local equinox, no one notices them Episode 1-05: the bois go to the steam room of another equinox downtown, no one noticed them Espsode 1-06: the bois realize no one in NYC will fuck them, so they go to Thailand and rim some prostitutes- they get one of those intestinal parasites people on DL are obsessed with. The series is canceled.

Regardless of their looks, or striking lack there of, you just KNOW they will cast an array of young boy meat for their pitch pilot and manic egotist MarkSam will be coupled with the choicest beef, because you know, he has "a trainer."

Stop it! Just stop it, all of you negative nancies! I can't take any more of this negativity. At least these guys are doing things with their lives. Where's your exciting HK life? Where's your TV show? The answer is that you have none, since your lives are deathly dull.

There is no TV SHOW there is a grift MarSam is running so he can post it on YouTube and then show it in a booth at the Galaxy Diner.

Hey 357, the only exciting moment in those old queens lives is when the Duane Reade at 49th & 9th has a sale on Depends. FACT!

Will the pizza gobbler wash his shirt before they film? Just filthy, these shady bitches are tragic.

The reason Girls took off is because there is a lot of chubby, whiny, entitled brat millennials who think they are brilliant, and therefore think Lens is brilliant, and think why not celebrate us!

Whereas, whilst there might be a lot of tired middle-aged gay men, they don't look up to these West 40 queens with admiration, it is not a celebration. Unless it was satirical or wry, all done with a knowing eye and a wink, then they might have a chance. But I don't think these are the type of guys who would make too much light of themselves.

By the looks of OP's video this thing is set in '93, those clothes, that hair, those TEETH!

West 40s/Fire Island crossover episode pls

West 40s/The Walking Dead crossover episode pls

I hope Brian Sloan is not a cast member - he has horrible on-camera presence with his awkward tics. He looks like a bad driver's license photo.

R255, give me a fucking break with "so much perfection on every corner of hk". That is such a total LIE! You believe it because you're desperate for it to be true, but it's not true whatsoever. Sure there are some hot guys -.-but it's not the majority.

$23,807 pledged of $12,500 goal!

R366, it is you who are not telling the truth. You can't swing a dead cat in HK without hitting a perfect strike of hot guys. Sure, there are about 10% who are not hot, but at least 80% are super hot and the other 10% are at least attractive. It's by far the most attractive neighborhood in the city.

Did you walk up and down 9th Ave the past few days when it was warm out? The proof is out on the sidewalk. Go on Scruff and Grindr if you still don't believe me. Loop around each street between 42nd and 50th between 8th and 10th and you will see dozens upon dozens of model looking guys.

Why else do you think every gay person wants to live in HK?

Model-looking guys, r368? If you mean guys with average to ugly faces and spectacular, but steroid-enhanced, bodies, then yes, there are plenty of those. Truly naturally great-looking guys...not so many.

The guys I see (and sleep with) all seem to have hot faces, so maybe you're squinting too much or something. At least people don't have flabby bodies here. It's the gym or no sex for you, hence everyone looks like a model.

OMG that's twice the amount they're asking for!

With all the money they raised it just goes to show how wrong so many people were on this thread about the interest level people have in watching the lives of HK residents. Those who live in the gay mecca are curious to see how their lives are portrayed and those who don't live here are eager for the sneak peek into paradise. The show may well turn out to be garbage, but there's no denying that the initial interest in a series like this is there.

Oh Please,R372 . How much money did that "kidnapped" loon in California raise? Thats not indicative of anything,except how willing people are to waste money. I dont wish these guys ill,but I could give a shit less about their lives.Then again,at age 55,I could give a shit less about anyone elses lives either,so there is that.

Now they were able to score double what they were asking for, I wonder which of them will be dumped from the pilot and replaced with a paid actor who doesn't look like an extra at Shady Pines?

Is Murray Bartlett free? He's the right age, and actually looks like someone you'd want to watch on TV.

Is Roidney free?

Maybe much of the money came from DLers - the ones who don't comment.

This thread has been viewed over 4000 times.

I know them a little bit, so I'm going to try to get in the pilot. It will be a hoot telling you bitches which one I am!

If they made double the money, they should make it a feature length pilot. That way, they can air it a movie on Logo, like the Eastsiders people did.

If they made it a feature length movie, they could release it in theaters. What do you think the Rotten Tomatoes 🍅 score will be?

Maybe they'll thank DL in the credits for all the exposure.

It's unheard of for a pilot for an unsold show to cost over 20K, this is like an old, gay version of The Sting! What horrors await...! Will Mark Shamz spend some of the loot to fix that hairpiece????!

R379, the score will be zero t-cells with that cast!

I like the idea of an EastEnders type show. They can call it RearEnders or WestBenders.

Being Gay in your 40s for the average person means finally being able to afford all the things for yourself you used to wish some sugar daddy would buy for you. It means realizing you are or aren't rich enough to have kids of your own. It means working out not to become thin or muscular but instead to not blow up like your father did at the same age. It means starting to see yourself as a Daddy through the eyes of some kid you're attracted to. Some kid you're probably old enough to have fathered.

WestBenders makes it sound like a [italic]Futurama[/italic] parody of a British soap.

Well, shit, R384, you're exactly right, but doesn't mean I LIKE that you're right!

R384 made me cry .

When can we expect the next teaser, complete with their yellow teeth all a chatter?

Saw Marc Sam buying lube and Depends at the 9th Ave Duane Reade the other day, filming soon perhaps?

Do you think they'll have a bunch of chorus boy/porn star cameos throughout the series? It could be fun seeing all the famous people we notice walking around everyday be immortalized in a show like this.

[quote]Saw Marc Sam buying lube and Depends at the 9th Ave Duane Reade the other day, filming soon perhaps?

Filming already began. That shopping trip was part of the show.

[quote]How much do you want to bet that even with $15K, it's going to look like it was shot for $5 on an iPhone and look like a typical YouTube video?

In Portrait mode.

[quote]Do you think they'll have a bunch of chorus boy/porn star cameos throughout the series?

This thing ain't getting past the 'pilot'.

Why not? Now that they have twice the money they can shoot a polished professional pilot for HBO or Showtime. Can't be any worse than Girls or Queer as Folk.

That's not how TV works, R394. Especially high end cable TV.

It's filming!

Now all that's left is clearing off a shelf for all of the Emmy awards

I heard they're spending a lot on special effects with all the extra money.

Erasing crows feet from every shot doesn't come cheap, r398

Good for them! All you gay loosers are jealous of anyone enjoying an A-list gay life in NYC.

A-list?!?

Loosers?!?

I'd be into watching it if I saw something remotely funny. Hopefully the extra money will go towards actual comedy writers.

These are the gay men of our wet dreams. Masculine, handsome, great bodies, confident, and living the A-list list life in gay ground zero. Y'all are a bunch of jealous loosers.

Loosers?!?

R404, YOU'RE the comedy writer that they need!!

You in danger, gurl. Writers and actors with actual network backgrounds, decent credits and insider contacts are looking to do their own pilot, "Silver Foxes", a 'gay Golden Girls' written by two writers from... The Golden Girls. Bye, now.

"Stan Zimmerman and James Berg, who also wrote for Roseanne and Gilmore Girls, as well as the film A Very Brady Sequel, have created a pilot for Silver Foxes, which centers on four older gay men.

“Every one of us is getting older,” Zimmerman said in an interview with Party Foul Radio with Pollo & Pearl. “Especially with gays and lesbians and transgender, we create our own families—and that’s what The Golden Girls did. Those women came together and supported each other.”

There’s been no word on casting, but last year, a table reading for the pilot at Zimmerman’s house drew George Takei, Leslie Jordan, Bruce Vilanch, Parks and Rec actor Todd Sherry and Cheri Oteri.

Rosenthal is like Randy Rainbow--they're both unfunny queens.

Cheri Oteri will play the trans?

Boy, those gurls know how to make a thing happen >>

# 2

The twink in the pic in 411 should present hole.

Ugh,WHY R412 ? He hasnt seen "twink" in a good decade. I hate his ratty little grin.

Fuck off - he's a cute little fellow, R413.

Full fucking marks for getting this thing off the ground. Amazing!

The boy in r411 looks like a sweet little fuck.

it was just under three months ago they were trying to raise the money and they they are flaming - sorry, filming on the street.

Unlike the finished product, I fear R415

The guy is OK, but R414 needs to get a hold of himself.

They should call the show "The A-Listers," based on r404.

I like r404 's idea too. They should call it "Gay Ground Zero" --weep for gay culture after the era of aids. This is what NYC-vibrant metropolis can produce?

Blimey >> They've shot the first ep.

[quote]And that's a wrap on EP101 of "West 40s"! After four days of production, we finished up our shoot on W49th Street today at E&E Grill House with some street-scene realness in the 'hood.

& here they are shaking hands!

Happy Days!

He's so happy! Sweet.

I hate those cheap little jackets.

so what happens now? when will we see it? will it be on HBO?

BREAKING :

They're releasing stills from the pilot >>

and # 2

"They" are releasing stills.

Dick-wilting stills.

Anything about insufferable gay men of NYC would be unwatchable. It would be interesting if it were done in Middle America.

Disgusting in every possible way.

Is the show an excuse for these two old queens to molest hot young guys?

Hopefully the people who funded this project enjoy the photo at r426 since that's where most of their money went toward.

Have these old con artists been arrested for fraud yet? They’ve blown that stolen cash on mega-brunches and cases of Polident.

Can you imagine the amount of sexual harassment on this “set”? The funders are going to be paying for lawsuits, not actual production.

D.E.N. Redux

Tell me the guy with the baby teeth isn’t special needs, TELL ME, I double dare you! Has this thing been dumped on Mark’s MySpace page yet?

Has this premiered on laser disc yet?

I hear lots of Golden Girl jokes. Do they have to be so ugly? Over 40 isn't a death sentence.

The Gaying Dead

is mark sam dead yet?

The pic at r438 is hot. Good muscles, hair in all the right places, and those mouth-watering pubes peeking out. Have your twinks. This is what a real man looks like. I'd let him do me ten ways to Sunday.

[QUOTE]The gay population of Hell's Kitchen mostly consists of unemployed chorus boys and hustlers

So how the fuck can they afford to pay the rent?

they live six to a studio. their unemployment and food stamps go further that way.

Shouldn't they try and find some actors who are in their 40s?

So have the “creators” announced on whose Betamax this unsold vanity project will be shown? Has the delusion of an HBO run been medicated out of Marksam’s bewigged head? Has the black one stopped eating pizza? What’s the buzz?

Yo....just get a YouTube channel?

that’s all I did when I got too hot for television. Deadass.

R383 yeah, we shan’t be doing that.

When does my episode air?

Did they get dead yet?

Are they all whores?

Didn't Sherry Vine do this 7 years ago?

You guys are awful!

Ok, a few are funny, but AWFUL! Heaven forbid anyone get off of Grindr and try to create something fun, and attempt to someday get better at what you love, huh? How dare they!? I assume you all started in corner offices? I think just to be gay and open yourself to nasty, shitty criticism from your fellow gays, and take it all with a grain of salt is admirable.

I mean, sure it might suck, but who cares!? Do another one and see if you can improve! I know these guys just a tiny bit, but enough to know they are hardworking and treat everyone well, unlike most of the famous diva hags you all salivate over. Plus, neither has a nickel, so why not shoot for the moon and create a calling card to lurch forward? We can't ALL work in fashion PR now, can we?

How much nudity do you think they will have in the show? If they're shooting for HBO then there should be plenty of full frontal from the prinipal cast like in Girls and Game of Thrones.

As R426 illustrates, this show is just a ploy so that the old gays involved can go around smelling people. Anything else is purely incidental.

This can't be any worse than Looking.

This makes me hate gay men in their 40s and I am a gay man in their 40s!

Which one is the bug chaser on Squirt R266?

Has there been any updates? Have they spent all the funds on dentures and Just For Men Natural Black?

I know these queens. They belong to the "You're Ok But I'm Better" social circle. YAWN This would be more interesting if it were about Mark Sam's attention deficit sex life. Never met a thirstier guy.

[R438] Who's that guy?

Mark Sam prides himself on knowing every go-go boy in the tri-state area.

[R407] Stan Zimmerman is actually very talented AND a nice guy. Let's all support HIS project. He actually has the credentials to make this work.

Has anyone seen Matt Shane, I mean, Mark Sam's ill advised foray into gay porn?

He's a PORN STAR?

Mark-Sam is a panic in everything scheme she tries to be a STAR, as a porn star the only thing worse than his stroke game was his gag reflex. This queen is bananas! And just WHEN will we set this “pilot” nobody is going to buy to air???????

Oh R465, go write as the "Entertainment Lawyer," you sound just like them.

Link to his porn star vids.

"There's Something About Bob" -- Hilarious comedy miniseries about the last months of therapist and walking gay caution story Bob Bergeron.

"Manhattan Sex Party" that's what the porno is called. You'll need a Silkwood shower after.

Have they spent all the pilot money and went into hiding? Has Mark Sam changed his wig color? Where is the pizza eating black guy? The other with the baby teeth and Ewok eyes?! Where Mary Where?!

Brian Sloan is 51.

Mark Sam is 43 but looks 53.

Is he +?

facial wasting?

Mark Sam is NOT 43 lol

He is at least 46 or 47, TRUST ME

These old queens again?

The two guys in the photo are in a summer share in cherry grove with some of the ugliest guys around.

They should do a spin off about ugly old gays in fire island

Have they premiered the unsold/I requested pilot on Mark Sam’s Betamax machine yet? Did they every find the address to send to HBO? Have their suckered “investors” gotten ANYTHING back yet???

[quote]All you need to know about this show is ready and waiting for you on Mark-Samz Facebook page, he and his elderly fab hobbits are trying to do a "Live" sass session during Drag Race and it's playing to three people and has the pacing and narrative of the security cam at a Marshall's in Ohio.

This is honestly one of the posts that kept me from losing hope in DL, after the emoji-spamming millennial infestation we had last year.

R477, that’s blissful

Are you serious he was a porn star? Links or it didn't happen.

Not porn “star”, more like bareback fodder to the left, nightmares still...

Has Mark Sam performed in drag?

[quote]Queer as Folk was a hit, which is why it ran for 5 seasons.

It was a "hit" because it was the only "gay" show on at the time that wasn't Will & Grace.

[R479} Oh it happened and he's even discussed it in his flop one man show.

But seriously, Don't!

You can't unsee it

Ok, now I'm curious. Can someone link the scenes or even some pics? What was his porn name?

[R484] Josh Gold but really, we are all warning you- DON'T

His name is not on the cover of R483.

Their faces are a comedy. Why does the comic relief always have to be so unattractive?

R485, did you mean Josh Kole? That is one of the names on the cover.

[R488] You are assuming he is "big" enough to be on the cover! lololololol

There's no clips, you have to suffer through the whole thing and then you'll catch a glimpse of this tragic bottom trying to act sexy.

It's sad

Omg is it ever R489, even as a spastic cumdump Mark Sam is “off-key”, a true zero threat!