If u are still not convinced that Elizabeth Taylor is the most gorgeous woman ever, then see this

In the fifties through Cleopatra no movie star has ever come close to her beauty. Not Garbo, Crawford, Hayworth. NO ONE. It's too bad her addictions and alcoholism started destroying it in the mid 60s. But she still has stunning moments after this when she slimmed down and got healthier.

If you say so OP.

So sexy

I always thought her nose didn't match her face. When she was photographed looking down, it made her look rather plain.

Sadly her beauty only lasted through her youth. It was very short lived.

That makeover she did in the 80's was phenomenal. I thought she'd eat herself to death married to John Warner (or O.D.).

I've always loved this photo:

Alas, OP, there is only one. Capucine.

Liz Taylor had the most captivating eyes. Deep, shimmering, ethereal pools of wonder. To my mind, she had the definitive Piscean gaze.

[quote]Alas, OP, there is only one. Capucine.

If you like the drag queen look, who are we to tell you different?

I voat Capucine to- she gorjeos

Honor Blackman.

Agree, OP.

She was totally average. Certainly not a great beauty. So many DLers have risible taste.

Not too shabby...

Romance!

Taylor, Loren, Capucine....they had those almond shaped eyes. The true beauties back then had them. You rarely see them on actresses today.

r12, is that a woman? Looks like Kiefer Sutherland in a bad wig.

Liz was always one of my favorites, but not just because of her looks. She seemed to have a real gift for friendship, was bawdy and brash and lived life to the fullest. She used her celebrity to fight against AIDS. For all the comments on the Burton diaries thread about their kids being shipped in for visits and then shipped back out, it seems like they turned out great. No tell-all books, and the grandkids seem to have turned out great, too. That's a real legacy, and not all that common with so many big stars.

R9 LMAO that photo is Photoshopped to hell

Had she lived as a young Elizabeth Taylor today would she be considered the most beautiful woman in the world with today's beauty standards?

They had Photoshop in 1956?

R22 It was called airbrushing back then. Whatever.

R21, I don't think so. She was short and bosomy, which is a big no-no these days. She was a child actress who grew up before the public's eyes. She considered 'A Place in the Sun' her first real acting role, none of her roles before then. I don't think she took acting all that seriously until befriending Montgomery Clift.

Kim Novak was a flawless beauty.

That's what I thought r24.

The women who are considered beautiful today are all tall sporty looking women with little to no curves.

What happened went wrong with our beauty standards?

I didn't see what the big deal was until I saw her with Paul Newman in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof. Couldn't take my eyes off her. My grandmother loved her and we went to the Liz Taylor outlet when I was a kid but she was already old by then and I'd only seen still photographs of when she was younger. I think there is something about seeing her on film that makes her more beautiful.

no charisma

Liz and Dick slumming to pay their liquor bill.

Her eyes really are violet!

R26, I know that beauty standards change over time, but right now, it seems that any real character in a woman's face is seen as a bad thing. All that plastic surgery to make so many of today's actresses seem almost interchangable. I know Liz had some work done later on in life, but the beauty that most of us remember is before she had any work done.

R27, I agree. She and Paul Newman were stunning together, and she turned in a wonderful performance, too.

She had intense eyes, there were a lot of emotions behind her eyes. Nowadays she would be accused of having "resting bitch face". Hollywood seems to prefer women with dead, soulless sex doll eyes now.

You can really see the intelligence and compassion in Liz's eyes, but someone like Kim Kardashian, not so much.

this video gives me so much joy

In High School there was a girl in my class that had violet eyes and black hair. The combination is stunning.

Liz was beautiful during her time but do not think she would be seen the same today as she was then.

Many years ago I knew a man whose son worked for Taylor in some capacity. He said in private she was basically a nasty pig, even in her glory days. Her bedroom was always covered in a layer of baby powder because after she took her bath she would use almost an entire can of baby powder on herself and the residual powder would cover everything. It apparently got to the point that the staff would have to regularly take the handles off the dressers and nightstands and any drawers in the bath and bedroom because the baby powder would cake up all over them and get into the crevices when the handles joined the furniture. The maids were unable to fully clean all that powder off by hand so they removed all the handles to scrub all the old powder off and then put the knobs back on. The rugs in the bath would be so filled with baby powder that it would clog up the washing machine when they tried to wash them so they just began throwing them away once a month a getting new ones.

Elizabeth Taylor right out of the shower, with no makeup, as photographed by Roddy McDowall in the early 60's.

Here is the "color corrected" version.

I think pre-anorexic Angie is in Liz's league.

[quote]Elizabeth Taylor right out of the shower, with no makeup

She has makeup on. You can see the eyeliner.

I read a book by a director who worked with both Elizabeth Taylor and Katharine Hepburn. He wasn't too keen on Taylor.

He stated that on one movie that he worked with her, it was summertime. The day in particular was blazing hot. He said that he and the crew were waiting for Elizabeth to come out of her air-conditioned trailer. They were getting more and more overheated when, finally, after about 2 hours, Elizabeth emerged from her trailer. When she felt the heat she had a strained look on her face and said, "Oh.....it's so hot out here......" as though she didn't want to be there. This was the final straw and the director blew up and refused to speak to her for the duration of the filming. They communicated by exchanging notes.

Oh geez the geriatric queen is at it again. Trying to shove old fatso down our throats again. Okay, we get it. You think she's beautiful. Many people disagree with you. Give it a rest. The plain fat frumpy librarian is dead. Move on please.

She not only has does she have eyeliner r39 but foundation and lip gloss. However I agree with r27 that she was stunning in cat on a hot tin roof. The only person more beautiful than her in that movie was Paul Newman. The two of them made the perfectly average looking actors around them look like trolls in comparison.

Tell Mama . . . tell Mama all.

Short, big bosomed broads are no longer considered sexy. That was then. This is now.

She was born with a double set of eyelashes like Tyrone Power, so it's very possible that she is wearing no eyeliner.

She was most beautiful as the Jewess Rebecca in Ivanhoe (1952), where she had lines like, "I love you, Ivanhoe, with all the longing in the lonely world."

Walked away with the picture. She was luminous.

She and Gregory Peck were originally cast in Quo Vadis, to be directed by John Huston, but the project fell through.

Does the OP understand what "unparalleled" means?

Elizabeth Taylor's beauty is certainly not timeless. I think someone like Audrey Hepburn has a timeless beauty. Had she been young and alive today she'd still be considered beautiful.

R27,Liz Taylor outlet? Queen, I think your dumbass meant Liz Claiborne.

R48 Audrey Hepburn wasn't so beautiful as she was impish, cute, sophisticated, elegant, stylish, and a clothes horse. She's the type of person that you would want as a sister or a good friend, as opposed to a beautiful lover.

R50, all those attributes are what I would describe as beautiful. What you might be describing is something akin to a pretty hooker.

[quote]with no makeup

I see eye liner, make up, lip gloss and some blush and a softener on the camera lens

She was a nasty bitch, kept mum on Michael Jackson's kiddie fiddler stuff.

R48 Somebody should have taken a weed-wacker to Audrey's eyebrows. Jungle territory. Wow!

Liz Taylor's beauty was in another class... it was otherworldly. Audrey Hepburn looked like a fashion model.

There are lots of different kinds of beauty. Taylor's was just one. Audrey Hepburn was beautiful to women. Liz Taylor was beautiful to men. And Liz was before the cameras for so long that one must select an era to discuss, as she ran the gamut of looks over a period of decades. For Liz, you go to the early 1950's. She was stunningly beautiful at that time. Just exquisite. But even then, she fared best when photographed from the waist up.

Taylor was short. Very short. And in considering her proportions, her legs were very short, but her feet were big. Really big. I went to the Christie's preview of the auction of the items in her estate and was shocked to find hundreds of pairs of shoes that were size 10. She was also famously fleshy and bosomy. None of this was going to be unblemished by pregnancy and between 1953 and 1957, Taylor gave birth to three children. How she pulled it together so spectacularly for Cat on a Hot Tin Roof is miraculous. But that can't last forever.

She was extremely beautiful, but every beauty has her strengths and weaknesses. But in the early 1950's, and especially in still photography, no one could touch her.

You make good points about Taylor R55.

The pic @R9 of Liz is gorgeous. The dreamy look of Pisces was indeed captured in Taylor's mesmerizing violet eyes.

Pisces is an obvious water sign and many of it's natives have issues with retention and distribution throughout the body. Pisces can wreak havoc with one's "fluidity" and cause health related problems throughout life...swellings, high blood pressure..

Taylor was the most beautiful actress in Hollywood during her younger years, but wasn't able to retain her crown for very long and had to settle for ONE of the most beautiful. Still not too shabby.

Brooke Sheilds was more beautiful in her prime.

I see a matronly quality in Taylor's face, & it's there quite early. It's like you can see in her young face, the fat matronly hog she's to become.

[quote]Brooke Sheilds was more beautiful in her prime.

Yeah, her "prime" was when she was 12 years old.

Brooke Shields was the stunner of my generation. She was the remarkable beauty that I came of age with.

When I was in St. Mary's hospital as a teen, my super hot BF would always mention Morgan Fairchild as his beauty icon. Before Mike I had never heard of Morgan Fairchild before. I've never forgotten her since.

Vice versa for Brooke Shields. She was my beauty du jour. Mike hadn't heard of her, but quickly became a fan. (we were both closeted as teens).

Elizabeth Taylor is a stunner. Arrestingly beautiful. But she had to share the limelight with Marilyn Monroe, Brigitte Bardot and Kim Novak's of the day. Taylor held her own until multiple childbirths took a toll on her figure.

[quote]That makeover she did in the 80's was phenomenal.

But she ACTED like a woman far older than her years. She dressed like she was 25, acted like she was 65.

I thought she was pretty but the most beautiful ever? No way.

"Elizabeth Taylor is not beautiful, she is pretty. I was beautiful.” - Ava Gardner

Yup, Ava Gardner was right!

Short, big bosomed girls are always in with straight guys.

From the waist up, she was near flawless. But she was short waisted, had a flat butt and doughy, stumpy legs. That's why she looked like shit offscreen. She didn't know how to dress herself to camouflage her flaws. Then when she started boozing, pill popping and getting too much sun, all bets were off.

Sorry to offend you R49. I'm not hip to all the eldergay fashions. I didn't realize you buy all your caftans from Liz Taylor outlet.

she was a thin whore. then she was a fat whore

then

she was an old whore

Hedy Lamarr was more luminous on screen. As was Garbo. I'm still not convinced about Elizabeth, but perhaps it's because I know too much about her boozy and obnoxious behavior. Peter O'Toole hated her.

Perfect profile...

I thought that Peter O'Toole had an affair with Taylor while she was married to Burton, who was his friend.

Suzy Parker was quite lovely.

Ingrid Bergman would beg to disagree with all the above posters. There never was, is or willl be a woman as beautiful as she was in Casablanca. The definition of luminous.

R19. Good looking grandkids especially that short black one in the middle.

R70, no way. She hated him, as much. Barred Burton from hanging out with him. O'Toole was a drunk, but not an asshole who would cheat with one of his best friend's wives. He got plenty on the side, but it wasn't from La Liz. I agree, btw, with Ingrid. Gorgeous woman, and yes, well on par with Liz in her heyday.

R57, "fat matronly hog" couldn't have said it better. She looked like a librarian With that short hair. Compare her to Brooke Shields and there's no comparison. One says Vogue and the other says Walmart.

Ingrid Bergman gorgeous? She was very talented but just a bit of a Plain Jane in the looks department. She won a Best Supporting Actress Oscar for playing a mousey little missionary in Murder On The Orient Express. Attractive, yes, gorgeous, no.

I suppose everyone has a different opinion but I never agreed with the "Liz is most beautiful" byline. It felt like an angle someone crafted - like Lana Turner "sweater girl" and Betty Grable "legs."

Liz was very pretty for certain but I think a significant number of actresses from her prime were more so. I think it started as her looking much older and having an almost adult attractiveness as a child - and then the PR machine kept churning it --- probably as damage control eventually "Liz is so beautiful, how could these married men resist. It's not their fault, or hers--it's just the way she was made."

What, no mention of Vivien Leigh? Liz couldn't hold a candle to Leigh in her prime.

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I agree R78.

I have still never seen a girl or woman more beautiful than Brooke in her prime. Flawless.

R79 we're not talking about acting ability were talking about beauty, and to put a picture of her as a middle-aged woman is completely unfair disingenuous. Who of them didn't lose beauty as they aged? These are human beings for crying out loud.

Liz was extremely beautiful, but Hedy Lamarr was the MOST beautiful woman in Hollywood's golden era. Ava Gardner gave her a run for her money though. Ava had the most exquisitely shaped oval face...ever! The cleft chin took her to a whole new level of gorgeousness. All 3 ravishing brunettes Taylor, Lamarr and Gardner exuded such unparalleled beauty, here we are talking about them decades later.

Even more in person , mid fifties she was at peak perfection.

And Elizabeth Taylor didn't invent WiFi.

It's a shame she got so much sun, she had such lovely skin.

Grace Kelly.

and if you add in talent, I really think DL fave Jessica Lange was luminous in Tootsie

ELIZABETH TAYLOR captivated the masses more than the any other woman mentioned. I do agree that because of her shortcomings: short, tendency towards dumpy build that she would not be viewed the same in 2017 as she was in 1960.

End Of Story ..........................

R81, she was beautiful, but lacked talent and only shone for a very brief period. Taylor, on the other hand, managed to hang onto her looks a bit longer and had some acting ability.

r83 - Elizabeth herself was envious of Ava's looks.

who, today, can hold a candle?

We can ALL look like Suzy Parker!

AVA' eyes weren't anywhere near as spectacular and like TAYLOR, all of the booze ruined her looks early on so that by age 30 each had lost a considerable amount of her beauty though at times after lots & lots of work each would on occasion still look like a million buck.

Part of TAYLOR'S appeal over some of the others mentioned is that her intelligence, & sheer determined strength usually came across. Even if HEDY LAMARR did contribute an element that led to radar jamming; and then there JACYLN SMITH, SHARON TATE, GRACE KELLY etc....but even as gorgeous as they were, they come off as somewhat BLAND compared to TAYLOR at her zenith circa 1950-60.

TATE'S face was mesmerizing. Had she lived, maybe, but we'll never know as the poor girl was only 26 when she was murdered.

Hedy Lamarr had looks and brains. 👍

Miss Claudia Cardinale = underrated hawtness

It's just a skirt and sweater!

Merle Oberon.

[quote]It's just a skirt and sweater!

" What's the big deal about Sweater Girls ? I mean take away their sweaters and what have you got ? I ask you. "

Maria Ouspenskaya

Who is Liz looking at in OP's picture? Is that Jesus? She was in a Bible movie?

R101, I thought that was Liz for a second. To the old queen who insists on trying to persuade everyone Liz was the most beautiful, I'll let your old feeble mind win. You can imagine you are still living in the 40's or 50's or whenever that fat pig was famous and dream about being Liz all day long.

R102, that's from "Ivanhoe."

Grace Kelly

R99's pic.

Thread closed.

The idea of most gorgeous woman ever is sort of screwed. If you had said, "When Elizabeth Taylor appeared in 'Ivanhoe', was there anyone more beautiful?", you'd have a point. But the idea of always and forever just doesn't work. She was amazing for her looks for many years, and then grew into her acting, and finally, as a philanthropist. Love her deeply, but won't fight a losing argument.

She's also luminous in The Last Time I saw Paris and the 2 Bride movies.

And of all the other beauties mentioned here none of them ever came close to Liz in terms of great performances on film.

National Velvet, Cat, Place in the Sun, Virginia Woolf, Cleopatra(for sheer overwhelming charisma. Who else could live up to that entry into Rome?)

Yeah she was also shitty in shitty films.

The reason Hedy Lamarr doesn't get more support is due to these facts: 1.) She was mostly in forgettable movies; 2.) She wasn't in a color movie until after she was 35; 3.) She was foreign; 4.) She had a very notorious reputation having been nude and simulating sex as a teenager and condemned by the Pope.; and 5.) She was hard to get along with and considered to be a poor actress.

When I was a kid she had the worst reputation of any star: shoplifting, nudity, and facelifts but her reputation is being completely revisited with the discovery of her notable inventions. She sued the ghostwriter over her supposed autobiography and basically the judge said it didn't make any difference if they did falsify the facts as her reputation was so bad that you couldn't libel her since their was not reputation to protect.

However if you watch some of her movies from the late 30's to early 40's and although they are in black and white she had the most beautiful features of any actress that was ever was in Hollywood, including Liz and Ava. Most people just have never seen those movies and have probably only seen Samson and Delilah as she was 35 or so when that was made. Hedy was otherworldly beautiful and I doubt many Liz or Ava fans have ever seen them...and I do love Ava and Liz but Hedy was the most beautiful at least in my opinion.

Sorry, bitches. There's only one face that will define Hollywood beauty, and she retired before it started to show signs of age.

She does have incredible eyes.

I have to agree with Grace Kelly....

R112 No, I've always thrown my vote to Ruth Buzzi.

In Butterfield 8 she has a scene with Fisher and blonde Susan Oliver, who gives her quite a run for the money in the looks dept.

R113, omg you're right. Completely forgot about Ruthie!

Two preposterous films in which Lamarr is stunning: I Take This Woman and Lady of the Tropics. She's quite good in H.M.Pulham, Esq.

I thought she was lovely in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof . . . but I've never thought of her as a great beauty. Yes, I know I"m the odd woman out.

They are all certainly the ICONS of Hollywood/.American beauty...but not even an Honorable Mention for the likes of Lena Horne or Dorothy Dandridge? I personally feel that Jennifer Beals IS as... if not prettier than Halle Berry...certainly more elegant...quietly elegant.

I like Hedy in "Come Live with me" with co-star Jimmy Stewart.

Am enjoying watching Ms. Taylor in her '60s glamour period -- "The VIPs", "Sandpiper", etc. But nobody tops this one.

I had forgotten about Ruth as well....a classic beauty, a biker chick and what a fashion icon....

[quote]but not even an Honorable Mention for the likes of Lena Horne or Dorothy Dandridge?

Oh, honey. This is Datalounge; one step away from Storm Front.

sorry no, OP. That would be Vivian Leigh .......

and Gene Teirney

Umm beautiful knew and met her many times in the 80's.

No one else is going to mention her?! Hard to top Faye in her prime.

[R122] LOL...have to laugh to keep from crying...thanks for the bitch slap into reality!!!

Faye's beauty window lasted about 3 years. By the time she won her Oscar for Network she was beginning to look rough and haggard.

^^^^^^Yes, Hedy in "Come Live with Me" worked very well with Stewart and was gorgeous. I think the two liked each other and got along well. She was not a Tracy fan, I think. Robert Osborne was a friend of hers in the 60s, but claimed that she was kind of needy, IIRC.

The "box artist" Joseph Cornell was fascinated by her films and used images of her in some of his work.

The problem with Elizabeth Taylor is that those 1950s hairstyles didn't do her any favors. They made the goddess look too plain.

Those 50s hairstyles didn't do ANYONE any favors.

Elizabeth's mythology benefited greatly from Burton's drunken obsession with her drunken obsessiveness.

Why was Ava Gardner ever with Mickey Rooney? They don't seem to go together at all.

Rooney was an insatiable fuck, I understand.

[quote]Rooney was an insatiable fuck, I understand.

With that little Irish curse dick of his, how would you even feel it?

Mickey Rooney reminisces on his many wives and their sex lives.

R130, BEcause she was plain. Jean Seberg had a short cropped cut and was sublime. Try doing that to fat Liz. If the hair style makes the woman, it's not saying much about the face.

Liz Taylor's trademark was her eyes, which shone violet under studio lighting. Had her eyes not popped like they did, she would have just been another contract player.

R138

A great set of tits didn't hurt either ! Up until she was about 30 years old it would be difficult to find any woman to steal her thunder.

In 1959

Didn't she have a wee nose job in her late teens?

Liz is an example of why short women have to remain very, very thin to look good by the time she made Cleopatra she was already over the hill; she was a beautiful teenager and young adult though.

"To look good ON FILM"

Natale Wood is a good example of that.

I believe a young Hedy is worth noting.

I agree. What's weird is she was really a rather normal looking child. Her lips filled out significantly. I didn't know that could happen pre injections.

MGM makeup department did a hell of a job on Hedy. She was very pretty when she was in Austria but became a goddess after she arrived in Hollywood.

To those who say a *young* Liz is too short/fat to be be seen as attractive by today's Hollywood . . . like what? We live in a day and age where apple-shaped Kate Upton gets to on sports illustrated, and Jennifer Lawrence's body is considered sexy. Young Liz spotted a 19 inch waist for crying out loud. Granted she used shape wear but her ribs was funnel-shaped enough to allow for the dramatic clinched size. Even much thinner girls cannot imitate the look if they don't have that kinda bone structure. Young Liz had a perfect upper body, with her only physical flaw being short-legged. Well, with the right platform heels and long dress she could easily add 5+ inches to her 5 ft 2 for public appearances. And hair! Let's not forget how Liz is the one the few actresses who can long good in a variety of hairstyles, from medium length wavy to short pixie (both featured in the Last Time I saw Paris) to ballerina's bun (Giant). Like another had said upthread, WHO in Hollywood *today* can compare with a young Liz? There is no equivalent to young Viven, Hedy, Ava, Sopha etc in 2018, the flawless Zeta Jones is almost 50, and most of the younger actresses look "relatable" aka just like random people off the street.

Elizabeth Taylor was a humanitarian. Her tireless fight regarding AIDS made her the most beautiful woman in the world. Many of us on DL seem to forget this.

And she did it at a time when it wasn't popular.

I see lots of people on DL harping on Liz for the Debbie/Eddie thing. Well, Liz has long since acknowledged that being with Eddie was a lapse of moral and willpower. Liz formally apologize to Debbie during the filming of These Old Broads, which was made public during the tv film's promotion. They had truly made up and put the past behind them then. According to Debbie, Liz took very little money for the project, and was doing it to help boost Carrie Fisher's career. Later on Liz would invite Debbie to NY to watch the MJ Concert in 2001. Both would find themselves caught in the 9/11 attacks, during which Liz took Debbie into her hotel suite and they supported each other through that frightening time. It was Liz who pulled strings with John Warner that got Debbie flown out of NY the moment they opened the airspace again, so Debbie could make her Las Vegas show engagement.

And with Burton, well, Liz acknowledged in an early 1965 bio that she had caused a lot of hurt, and that Sybill was someone she liked but had wronged. The fact that Sybill publicly forgave Liz when Roddy McDowell was ill showed not only Sybill's graciousness, but also how she believed Liz was more misguided than evil in that fiasco.

And really, if being a home-wrecker on its own makes a woman irredeemably bad, then Audrey Hepburn, Marilyn Monroe, Grace Kelly etc would all be the same. And that'd be crazy considering the positive trait these women has all displayed in their lifetimes. They are not saints, but they are all cool broads at the very least.

Beauty

At her most beautiful here.

The old queen in the caftan is at it again. No she was beautiful. She looked like a school librarian. Nice tits but that about it. Always looked 10 years older than her actual age.

R137, thank you! I have been on the Jean Seberg wagon for years. Now there was a beautiful woman. Even with shorn locks, the face was absolutely magnificent! Classic beauty that blows Miss Piggy away.

She was never gorgeous and her over-acted, hammy acting was annoying.

R149 "I didn't mean to stab him. He just walked into my knife."

Too bad there are no color photos of Garbo in her prime. She supposedly had beautiful dark blue eyes.

R144, thank you. Quintessential loveliness. She's dreaming up her frequency-hopping discovery.

Can152 back up its claims by naming someone supposedly more beautiful than Liz in her prime?

A dog compared to the beauty of Miss Cillian Murphy

Such an old before her time librarian.

More of the librarian.

Yes, Liz Taylor was one of the great Hollywood beauties. But there were many others equal to her beauty. It's all a matter of taste who you think is the most beautiful.

Looking like an old bag in the late 60s.

Her beezer looks a little fat in that clip. There are much better images of her, ya know.

RE 162: Yes, I agree. There were others equal to or even surpassed her beauty in old hollywood. But she ranked very close to the top. Statements about her being outright unattractive back when in her prime are just ridiculous.

Liz had tiny features, which look great on screen but boring in real life. Capucine for the win.

Oh feedle-dee-dee, you know who's the most beautiful.

she had no screen presence and I found her beauty always a bit too generic

Unless they died young, none of the looked good from cradle to grave. Look at Sophia Loren now. YiKES !! Gina Lollobrigida etc....

Jennifer Connelly

Most gorgeous ever...

Taylor is Monroe level. Beautiful eyes. More beautiful from same era: Vivien Leigh ( by far) Lauren Bacall, Natalie Wood these three ladies are truly unparalleled. As beautiful as Taylor are: gene tierney,grace kelly. Almost on a par, ava gardner, audrey hepburn. Also very beautiful, ingrid bergman, lana turner, jean simmons, deborah Kerr, Pier Angeli, merle oberon. The rest is below.

RE 171: I would actually put Ava Gardener together with Vivien on the prettier than Taylor level, as their faces appeared just as attractive as Taylor's, but their bodies are clear wins. Where Taylor had striking features, Monroe is basic but in a good, soft way. I actually got to see Taylor in person when she was toured to Toronto to promote her perfume in the early 90s. Even with age and the heavy makeup, her face and figure both looked more refined and better-proportioned than what you see on screen. In other words, Taylorwas a non-photogenic beauty more stunning in person than on screen. By many accounts Monroe was unrecognizable by pedestrians in NY. Robert Mitchell also mentioned how MM did not have much of a presence away from the camera, so I think she was likely less beautiful than Taylor in person. I don't think Bacall's face can compare with Taylor's, even though her figure was better than Liz's and maybe even Audrey's. Grace Kelly had the best figure of them all -- short narrow torso with mile long legs, but those man-jaws made her hard to hairstyle. I'll put Kelly on Bergman's level. The rest I mostly agree with you.

The mentioned Capucine is good-lonking but in a borderline masculine way like Brooke Shields and Joan Crawford. Though I can accept how that's also a variety of being beautiful.

Op, that was a terrible image of her. Made her face look weak-chinned and overly thin, overly elongated. I am willing to entertain possibility that her beauty is unparalleled but you chose terrible evidence.

All the beauties mentioned are wonderful but most of them had a masculine edge. Capucone, Ava,Kim and even the luminous Bergman could all look like blokes if shot the wrong way. Leigh and Taylor in their prime,always looked like stunning chicks.

I swear, shots like R161, look so much to me like Jane Wiedlin of all people. Anyone else see that or am I nuts?

Stunning chicks? Nice tits?

Who the fuck are these posters on DL?

Well I guess 'stunning' is a giveaway.

Ava looked like a bloke?

R172 thx, you really read my post and showed interest. Very nice of you. I understand the Ava thing. My mother always said she was the most beautiful woman in the world. I think Leigh was even more beautiful, especially in GWTW and her hollywood films of that period. What bothers me with Gardner is the insane make up. Truly horrible. I think Natalie Wood was perfection,especially when Kazan showed her bare face and straight hair. and when I was a kid I noticed she was the only great hollywood beauty with brown eyes. No one ever mentions it. These huge magnificent eyes. Had they been green or blue she wouls stand out as the most beautiful actress ever.her face and body were perfect. Especially since she was so tiny. Very well proportionned I once saw an exhibit with a rebel dress, it looked something from baby gap

[R179] You're welcome :) It's hard finding a place to talk about old Hollywood glamor or anything really. The young Wood was indeed very striking when wearing understated makeup and hairstyle. She was petite on screen so I'm not surprised about her small dress size. Plus from my experience with seeing Liz in person, small waist on camera always look even smaller in person.

I saw Cleopatra twice when the Todd AO print was restored and it played for special performances during its 50th anniversary. I had only seen it in bits and pieces on TV and never stayed with it for very long. At a full four hours I think it might be the longest commercial film ever released even beating out GWTW by 15 minutes and boy did it seem it.

But I'll tell you seeing a restored print in a theater was a revelation. I found it enormously entertaining, the hours flew by and it in no way merited its legendary flop status.

Quite a spectacular epic with wonderful performances, Liz looks exactly how you want Cleopatra to look and except for a few patches a wonderful script by Mankiewicz.

The ending image is so beautiful with one of Octavian's men finding the corpse of Cleopatra with her dying handmaidens and the stunning words of Shakespeare being spoken as dialogue.

I only wish the original director's cut had survived but I understand the missing two hours involving many internal scene cuts no longer exist. Mankiewicz really never got over the cutting of this film the making of which aged him considerably.

but then i remember her sucking up to jacko....

gross.

true, she was a nasty pig

liz was infamous for dispensing blowjobs to waiters at partys....

under the table!

[quote]R154 her over-acted, hammy acting was annoying.

I agree Taylor was an all around shallow actress. She was pretty amazing looking, though, when she tried.

Her voice is so thin and shrill it's hard to watch her movies, though. She's usually just blah. And in long films like CLEOPATRA and RAINTREE COUNTY she's just torture.

Hardly torture in Giant and that's a very long film. But it gets very silly when they all start walking around with white powder in their hair.

[R181] The thing was Cleopatra played to packed theaters worldwide. It did not immediately started earning money only because the budget was simply too huge. The film remains a classic today and Liz's Cleo eyeliner is iconic and considered trend-setting for the 60s.

To those who say Liz was torturous to watch, well, that's a matter of subjective personal taste. Liz excelled at doing long scenes with long dialogue in one take in both Raintree and Cleo. This kind of focused memory is a technical merit and it got her all those acting noms and awards back in the day.

See wiki for "List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_Elizabeth_Taylor"

Note how Liz was getting acting nominations at major film awards up to the mid seventies, when her looks and popularity were both waning. Even financial disappointments like Hammersmith (won Silver Bear for Best Actress, 22nd Berlin International Film Festival), Zee and Co and Ash Wednesday were getting her recognition from the biz. It was late as 1974 when she got the Golden Globes Henrietta Award World Film Fav -- the same one Monroe got in 1962.

She was okay. Calm down everybody. Times have changed. Her glamour is out of fashion but she gets points for trying. She was very good in a number of films and excellent in her later career. She's no Vivien Leigh that's all. She belongs to her era

Here's a list of women who were considered great Hollywood beauties:

Louise Brooks

Greta Garbo

Marlene Dietrich

Rita Hayworth

Ava Gardner

Lana Turner

Marilyn Monrie

Audrey Hepburn

Grace Kelly

Elizabeth Taylor

Hedy Lamarr

Sophia Loren

Vivien Leigh

Gene Tierney

Kim Novak

Catherine Deneuve

Sharon Tate

Natalie Wood is missing.Bacall too. Catherine Deneuve is hardly hollywood anything

Who could possibly forget the insouciant loveliness of Miss Dixie Dunbar?

I had the privilege to be acquainted with Elizabeth during my early days in Beverly Hills. Meeting her for the first time (the night of her Tonight Show appearance) was like being punched in the gut. Yes, she was that beautiful.

Elizabeth's' work on the behalf of our community was tremendous. So all the baby powder and alleged bad behavior stories aside, this woman got the President to acknowledge the AIDS crisis.

And up thread, wasn't Chen lovely? I worked with Jose and we both hated him.

[[R187]] I will acknowledge that Vivien Leigh appeared the most beautiful Hollywood actress ever on camera. But even her style - more elegant that Liz's - would be considered "out of fashion" today because she peaked back in the 1930s. A modern girl cannot wear that hair and makeup down the street without looking theatrical. It's the same for virtually all old Hollywood beauties dating before the late sixties.

I sat at a table with Jose at an AIDS benefit put on by Taylor (indeed beautiful post weight loss). He was indeed a prick. The Hairdresser from Hell.

[quote]R185 Hardly torture in Giant and that's a very long film.

With a huge cast....she doesn't carry the burden of it. There's two fine male lead performances plus Mercedes McCambridge, Carroll Baker, etc. around. (You could say there's also a ton of actors in CLEOPATRA, but none of them are doing a particularly good job. They just sink to Taylor's level.)

And ET's role as Leslie diminishes in the second half of GIANT, so she's less of a headache.

I always thought the girl in this video was beautiful.

R195 Her name may be Denise Greer. She was a mystery figure for a long time.

Random nice pic of Liz in 1957, supposedly aged 25.

I say supposedly because there's been internet rumor about MGM faking Liz's age to make her younger (according to some Esther Williams interview I've never seen). It sounded far-fetched to me at first, since Liz started out as a tiny child star. However, Margaret O Brien revealed in a BBC documentary that Liz had her *18th* birthday on the set of Little Women (see also allanellenberger.com/tag/margaret-obrien/). While release in 1949, LW filmed in 1946-47 but had a much delayed release . So Liz *could* have been up to 3 years older than her reported age.

Off topic, I know, but that was one of the few latter day Rod Stewart songs I ever loved, R195. It's great. And the girl is hot.

I am told that one day when Elizabeth was out campaigning in Virginia with her then Husband Mark Warner, they stopped at some small community tea given by some women's organization or something, and as Elizabeth waddled through smiling and greeting people warmly, a journalist over heard one roly poly woman remark to her equally roly poly friend, "All our lives we've wanted to look like Elizabeth Taylor, and now heaven help us, we do!"

R170

Connelly does look better than she did.

R197

No, she was born in 1932. O'Brien is recalling something from almost 70 years ago and incorrectly at that. Look at Taylor in her films from 1942-44 and you will realize that 1932 must be her correct birth yeaR.

R193

He was another annoying gay hairdresser. His method was to 'scrunch' everything. Is she dead yet ?

R192 I meant talentwise. Leigh's performance as Scarlett O'Hara, although taken for granted, is still astonishing, probably the best performance by a female actress ever, bar her Blanche du bois. She WAS the character as described in the book, to a T. Still fantastic and modern today. The speech,much faster than her contemporaries, the energy, the ruthlessness, the ' bad' qualities. She was very different in all of her films. Nobody, absolutely nobody has ever done anything as difficult as her Blanche Dubois. She was a fine stage actress. She expended all her life. There is a theatrical and symbolic aspect to the part that only a highly intelligent and trained actress could understand and deliver. Her fashion may be dated ( although she could take the stage at the 2018 oscars with the same outfit and hairdo she wore in 1940 and look better than anyone else) Taylor cannot touch her...Davis maybe..less range. Hepburn sometimes.

Vivien Leigh was good, and certaily gorgeous. But she had a narrow range. It's not like there was a wide variety of parts she could play.

Because Taylor had so much range? From Emma Hamilton to Blanche du bois, waterloo bridge, st martin's lane...she was very good in dark journey.she could do modern, period pieces, tragedy, comedy. On stage her range was illimited. Cunt critic tynan didn't like that she was married to his lover.

R205, Tynan was hetero and was never romantically involved with Olivier.

R204 I gasped at the photo. Breathtaking!

R206 Tynan was hetero.... You have to be kidding. Where does that info come from ? Tynan fucked his way to his position as west end rasputin in every gay bed of the english stage, wiich means A LOT. In fact ALL of them.Notorious for his endless orgies with the likes of the Windsors and the Oliviers indeed. So worn he couldn't keep his on turds. Tynan hetero. What a joke.

Watch that hetero bitch systematically insult and abuse Leigh in every possible way. Admire how polite and classy she remains through it all. She owns him with her humility and intelligence. But mr. Hetero keeps going at her. In such a masculine and virile fashion. Bitch be bitch be bitch.

Tynan was to obsessed and fawning with Olivier to not have been at least bi leaning sharply towards gay. No straight critic would have been so enamored of a male actor.

And attacking Leigh the way he did he was nothing more than a very jealous rival.

It made Olivier angry at first but of course his narcissism inevitably took the upper hand and he wallowed in the praise of this very famous edgy contemporary critic.

Until even he got sick Tynan's overreaching slobbering.

I know first hand Olivier was a repulsive human being. He campaigned to prevent Leigh from being made a DBE. He felt attacked at first by Tynan in his direction of Leigh. Then joigned forces with him. She hated him in the end, was living openly with Peter Finch, but he denied her divorce when she could have restarted her life with Finch. Once it was too late for her he divorced her to marry Plowright. Constantly reminding the latter that she couldn't compete with Leigh in any capacity. Disowned her in his will. Sick bastard.Tynan was even sleeping over at Olivier's. Vicious little cunt pretends in his memoir that Leigh made a pass at him and he declined the honour. Puh-lease. 'faggot' is describing him best. Hetero! That is laughable.

R211, if you have first-hand knowledge of Laurence Olivier, Vivien Leigh, Kenneth Tynan, [italic]et al.[/italic] you must be one of DataLounge's most senior contributors.

In his diaries Tynan freely describes his various erotic exploits including his penchant for BDSM. If he did have sex with men he doesn't strike me as the type to draw a veil over this.

R206 you are young. Olivier's heirs still deny his homosexuality. Plowright can't bother.

Despite the attempts to make Sir Larry into a raging queen, the fact is that he was very into women. He had Vivien Leigh had a very hot passion for each other. Given a break from filming 'Gone With The Wind" she and Olivier had a rendezvous and she later told David Selznick " “Larry met me in the hotel lobby and we went upstairs and we fucked and we fucked and we fucked the whole weekend!"

R199, that was a quote from Divine: "All my life I've wanted to look like Elizabeth Taylor. Now Elizabeth Taylor looks like me."

Husband #7 was Sen. JOHN Warner. Mark Warner is the current senator from Virginia.

[R201] More on the MGM Faking Liz's Age theory, as proposed by Esther Williams, and matched by Margaret O Brien's repeated statements.

Liz was small-statued as a child star, but she always did have the face of a girl older than that of her reported age. Let's also remember how she was only 5 ft 2 as a full grown adult (though very vell-proportioned in person when thin), so it's natural for her to be small even as a young teen. There are many cases where girls don't start growing taller until 16. Certain shots from Lassie Come Home 1943 show her spotting bosoms even while wearing loose and thick clothing. Liz could actually be closer to 13 than 11 there.

R214 everyone knows Olivier had a passionate affair with Leigh you imbecile. Just as most people who are interested know he was a major whore and had countless affairs with men. Keep believe in unicorns.

RE: Olivier Can people not be bi?

RE: Liz's talent versus Vivien's talent Actresses sometimes draw from real life when it comes to their acting.

Vivien was excellent in Streetcar, but she was drawing upon her worsening mental problems then. She had never played any stable, assured female since around that time period.

Likewise, Liz was excellent in Woolf (1966), as she too was drawing upon her boozing brawling real life persona as Mrs. Burton. Liz can, however, backtrack to display soulful elegant poise ala "Last time Saw Paris (1954)", and still be convincing. There are tender, somber moments as Kate in Taming Shrew (1967) that Liz played effectively and still in tune with the character's wild side. And there is Ash Wednesday (1974). Yes, bash the film for its "shallow" story, but Liz played the poised, reserved wife very well -- even when it was opposite to her real-life self at the time. The long scenes of wistful quiet longing and uncertainty, the gleefulness of rebirth marred by loneliness and uncertainty . . . they all were authentic for a movie with such dated direction. Acting high-points came when Liz displayed raw, genuine vulnerability awaiting hubby Henry Fonda at the train station, and when she parted with him at the Ending. It is no accident that Liz still got a Golden Globe nod and a Fav Actress win for that film despite the poor script and lukewarm box office.

Leigh is fabulous in The deep blue sea as the lady who looses it over the pilot. She had great poise as the lady Esther. Her main work was on the stage not in films. She chose scripts that were challenging. She can play a character. Taylor played herself. Quite well sometimes. Ava Gardner called her ' miss continuity'. Leigh is completely different in every part.

Vivian Leigh in The deep blue sea

In England during that period the worst thing you could be was queer which I find bizarre considering that it was an entire country of queens.

You could admit in the late 60s to any vice but loving another man.

Olivier's beloved mother died when he was 12 and his father couldn't stand him which I think goes some of the way towards explaining why he was a shit towards people when he felt he could trust no one.

Leigh gave an understated performance in the Deep Blue Sea. Sad how it did not win over professional critics nor any major award committees, and the movie flopped hard in the US. Kenneth More was the only one with something to gain from that movie.

On a beauty-related note: at 41, Leigh remained thin. She was, however, also morphing into Queen Elizabeth II.

[quote]She was, however, also morphing into Queen Elizabeth II.

R222, those awful 1950s helmet-hair coiffures didn't do anyone any favors.

Interesting to note that Kenneth More did not like Vivien, describing her as "petulant, spoilt, overpraised and overloved." (More had wanted Peggy Ashcroft to co-star with him in the film. He was overruled by Korda.)

Leigh got on better with Emlyn Williams, who played the role of her husband in [italic]The Deep Blue Sea:[/italic]

[quote]While we were doing [italic]The Deep Blue Sea[/italic], she was already rehearsing in her mind for Stratford. I was preparing my one-man Dylan Thomas show. She would hear my monologue, I would listen to her Lady Macbeth. But she had an odd, funny-peculiar turn of mind. We had one location scene, just the two of us in a car, driving past the camera, turning a corner. . . . We did a couple of takes, then a third-- there's [italic]always[/italic] a third! As we got back into the car again, Vivien said, almost as if she wished it could happen, "Wouldn't it be funny if we drove off now, and nobody ever saw us again."

[quote]R222 She was, however, also morphing into Queen Elizabeth II.

One problem is Leigh's designer of choice became Pierre Balmain, a not particularly youthful house.

Sometimes rather staid.

Meanwhile, Taylor was frequenting Christian Dior.

One person from that era noted, "I never liked Elizabeth in Dior. She always looked like an overdone callgirl."

ET in Dior....not her best look.

Taylor’s beauty was certainly timeless

For her first marriage, teen Liz wanted a plunging neckline to show off her tits. explaining it was going to be a church wedding, horrified designer Helen Rose talked her into covering her decolletage with a sheer overlay of fabric and beadwork trim. But Liz still insisted on the low cut, under the chiffon.

What a dyed-in-the-wool whore that one was.

Just tacky.

R201, I think you're right. In"Jane Eyre" (1942), as Helen Burns, she couldn't be more than 10. Funny how in that she plays opposite Peggy Ann Garner as young Jane, who grows up to be Joan Fontaine, then in "Ivanhoe," she's Rebecca and Fontaine is Rowena. Both of them in love with Robert Taylor. I think OP's gif is from that.

6/10

Older lady Olivier, 60's

Dame Elizabeth at the same age. " Tacky broad' perhaps?

Sorry OP, still not convinced

Not every woman could wear Dior. Liz was clearly one who could not.

R233 has not seen The Last Time I Saw Paris.

She surprisingly works well with Van never one my favorites though he is sensational in I Won't Dance with Bremer in Till the Clouds Roll By one of my favorite numbers from an MGM film.

His glances into the camera sending the whole thing up are pretty funny and his Broadway chorus boy chops are put to good use.

R235 I have. No one is saying here Taylor was not pretty. She is just very paralleled. Fat, short looking, dinausor arms and a bad nose job. She did have the most beautiful eyes. She could look stunning. But she is nowhere near Kelly, Bacall, Tierney, Wood, or indeed Leigh.

Who Wore It Better?

Lollobrigida and Taylor in the same Dior, at the same party.

This dress is hideous

[quote]R238 This dress is hideous

Word.

It does nothing for either of them.

(It might work on a 10-year-old, with an Easter bonnet.)

R239 Poor Elizabeth. She looks so SAD in this picture ^^

All this talk about deifying her great beauty is all smoke and mirrors. She was a great beauty in her 20s but she was a drug addict. She lost weight in the 80s because she went to a clinic, put in a semi-coma and fed intravenously and then had the gall to tell the media how she successfully lost weight through diet and exercise. The Jackson family thought she was a bad influence on Michael and wouldn't doubt her influence caused Michael to rely on IV drug to sleep.

Its terrible to lose your SP. I have. It never gets old. Her life after Todd's death was a loooong trainwreck. Painful to watch. But she improved greatly as an actress. I am with R241. She was breathtaking in ivanohe, place in the sun, cat on a tin roof. But never the most beautiful actress. Monroe was much prettier than she s ever getting credit for. Again, there were greater beauties then.

All great beauties are great beauties between their late teens and 20s only. That applies to Liz as it does Vivien and Monroe . . . especially Monroe. Monroe hit the wall hard in Some Like it Hot, with her plastic surgery side effects showing and her body becoming rotund. Her plucked hairline was by then receding so badly she had to tease her fringe to cover it up, which emphasized her wrinkles instead. SLIH still manages to be a blockbuster only because the crossdressing story was funny then and Jack Lemon was a brilliant comedian. Monroe's next two movies both flopped proving that her fading looks could no longer attract audiences. Something's got to Give and the Life Mag shoot gave her a last chance at the spotlight, but largely because she was showing actual nudity - something unheard of for a A-lister then.

Monroe at barely 36 in SGTG.

Liz in Ash Wednesday was around Vivien's age in the Deep Blue Sea.

From Wiki: [quote]The film's critical reception was reasonably favorable, particularly for Taylor, who was nominated for a Golden Globe. Rex Reed's review in The New York Observer amounted to a love letter to Taylor: "She's subtle, sensitive, glowing with freshness and beauty, fifty pounds lighter in weight, her hair is coiffed simply, her clothes ravishing, her make-up a symphony of perfection. For those who grew up in love with Elizabeth Taylor, the movie is pure magic. She is once again the kind of star marquees light up for."

They did mention she slimmed down from her priory high weight for the film. But it worked and in her early 40s, Taylor remained attractive, if maybe no longer "unparalleled" against younger actresses because age.

Vivien was of course still fine-looking. But the resemblance to the Queen is unmistakable, even with her hair hidden in a hat. I think she might have work done in her 30s that did not work to her favor. She used to have slender jaws and elegant cheekbones up to the late 1930s and then her cheeks and jaws started puffing up.

[quote]r240 Poor Elizabeth. She looks so SAD in this picture in R239^^

She regrets that fugly dress she bought.

Vivien's mid-life puffy face may have been due to booze. She never had plastic surgery as far as I know. Synthetic steroids were first introduced in the 1950s and it's possible that she was given a course of corticosteroids to treat respiratory disease.

Vivien in her thin-faced prime

One more

'Vivien's mid-life puffy face may have been due to booze'...really? In a thread about the supposed ' unparralelled beauty' of miss Porky ? How do you describe Taylor's mid-life face ???

Vivien at 46

[[R250]] "How do you describe Taylor's mid-life face ???"

Taylor at mid-life.

Taylor at the same age. Unparalleled

You cannot use a bad non-professional shot of Leigh and put it against an MGM movie capture of Taylor to illustrate your point.

Taylor at midlife non professional shot

Taylor at 55, non studio shot

Vivien at 1959 age 46, smiling at camera at Orly Airport

Vivien at 52 in Ship of Fools publicity shot

"Vivien" - (lady Olivier for you cunt,) had something Taylor never had- other than talent and range-even after so much plastic surgery she was shitting through her ears: class. You haven't convinced anyone OP. Now fuck off

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Jane Fonda had exercise videos out and remained fit unto her old age. She got her father's facial features and was very manly looking even in her youth.

[R 259] If "class" can affect how physically beautiful a person is, Queen Elizabeth II would be the most underrated beauty ever.

Elizabeth Taylor was a self-indulgent sensualist whose weight fluctuated accordingly. In contrast Vivien Leigh was, despite her struggles with bipolar affective disorder, a highly disciplined person. Even if Leigh's face looked slightly fuller in her 40s than it did at the peak of her otherworldly beauty, she was never in danger of turning into Taylor in caftan mode. And for the poster who has taken it upon him/herself to police this thread: I happen to like both Taylor and Leigh very much. But they were two completely different people off-camera and as performers, they were as different as night and day.

[quote]R260 This is what you look like without booze and pills and living a healthy lifestyle.

By her own admission, Jane Fonda was bulimic/anorexic from her teen modeling years right up thru her married years to Ted Turner.

You cannot say that's a "healthy lifestyle." Fonda did at least avoid the [italic]booze an' dope,[/italic] tho.

Hmmmm...a lot of talk about Taylor being at the peak of her beauty in IVANHOE (1952)

What I do know is they had to have her re-record all her dialogue once the company got back from England. Her original delivery of her lines was [italic]that bad.[/italic] It just wasn't cutting it. MGM realized they had a great asset in Taylor as a romantic star, and she was only 20 years old, but it was dawning on them she wasn't one of those performers who could just go out there and [italic]do[/italic] it.

" Just as most people who are interested know he was a major whore and had countless affairs with men. Keep believe in unicorns."

"Countless affairs with men?" No doubt you derive your information from impeachable sources like Darwin Porter and Donald Spoto. You're a yammering idiot who is pathetically invested in portraying Olivier as gay.

Although I admired and somewhat respected Elizabeth Taylor I never thought she was the quintessential beauty other claimed. Angelina Jolie, though, is a different matter altogether.

So Jane Fonda only got to age without bloat because of her eating disorders? Then I guess Lauren Bacall was the only one who truly aged well in a fit healthy manner. She was never fat, not even once.

But aging well and being the most beautiful woman in one's prime are two matters entirely.

Case in point: Anita Ekberg. The most beautiful blonde I've ever seen on film in her youth. Her presence in War and Peace make Audrey Hepburn looked like a dried up little spinster in comparion. And she aged like milk.

Anita in 2010

Point is, its pointless to compare beauties if we don't compare them at their respective peak periods, however fleeting.

One more with Anita and Audrey in War and Peace

Gina may have been a 5 star Cunta Italiana from hell but she was beautiful and could be a very charming funny actress.

Angelina is already gaunt and hardened in the above pic. Her peak was here:

R273, Angelina looks about 14 years old there.

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Brooke Shields was good looking only when very young. She peaked early and her looks went downhill very fast. She's looked like a tranny for a long time now.

Tom Raider.

Peak early. Fade early. Jolie is similar to Brooke in that she became masculine by her early 20s.

1950s Liz with Grace Kelly.

1980 Grace and Liz

One more.

Midlife?

Liz and Audrey, photographed separately at 1954 Oscars.

A few years down the road.

Under early 60s fashion

Early 70s. Liz admiring Audrey's dress.

Late 70s Oscars, different rows.

Late 70s.

Early 90s.

70s Liz and Sophia Loren

more

And another

Liz and Sophia 1980s

Backstage.......

Edith Head with 1950s Audrey, Liz, Grace and Sophia.

I know Paul Newman is a male beauty but I just can't resist. Paul & Liz in Cat

Cat gif

My god they were stunning together.

Older Paul and Liz, at Liz's notorious Warner phrase.

Paul and Liz, 1992

Bonus 1992 Paul and Liz with Anthony Hopkins

R197, this settles it. She was born in 1932. Lois Rodden was well known in the astrology community and had a very systematic rating system for birth data. She collected Liz's herself and saw the birth certificate.

[quote]R269 Anita Ekberg. The most beautiful blonde I've ever seen on film in her youth.

Photographer Andre de Dienes said Ekberg had the most beautiful breasts he's ever seen.

[R302] Does this person really have the original birth certificate dating from the 1930s? Also, that was a time when such things could easily be faked, with no computer records plus turbulence of WWII and all.

R304, Rodden was an acknowledged expert. She met Taylor, who handed her the birth certificate, as she did with many others. If it was good enough for her, it was good enough for any professional astrologer. She started and ran astrodatabank for decades before her death. She was a contemporary of Taylor, born in 1928.

[R305] Oh, this does sound legit. But . . . Margaret O'Brien and what she said in the documentaries does seem very specific: Liz having 18th birthday on the 1947 set of Little Women -> no more MGM school or teachers for grown up Liz -> free to flirt with co-star Peter Lawford. I can understand if memories fail, but had O'Brien began suffering under dementia by 2002?

Vanity Fair article quote: [quote] Elizabeth Taylor turned 18 on set of Little Women. As a younger star, O’Brien remembers, “[Taylor] used to have her animals—all her little chipmunks—and loved playing with them.” But by the time they worked together on 1949’s Little Women, “she didn’t have to have the school teacher following her every minute, saying, ‘Time for school!’ So she was able to have a little crush on [co-star] Peter Lawford, without the school teacher standing right next to her.”

O’Brien, on the other hand, was still only 11, and closely watched. Work ended promptly at six P.M. “Even if I wanted to finish a scene, because I didn’t want to do it the next day, the school teacher would say, ‘No, six o’clock!,’ and even the studio executives were afraid of the school teachers.”[/quote]

By the way, O'Brien was born 1937, so she should be 5 instead of 7 yrs younger than Liz if both their reported ages were right. And yet here one is 18 and one 11 . . .

Oh, 1950s Liz Grace and Marilyn in sunglasses.

R307, why wasn't it 16 instead of 18? Anyone at that time could quit school at age 16. There was no reason for a tutor after age 16. Maybe she got the age mixed up. It was decades before the article. Find me the rules that said an acting child had to have a tutor until age 18.

I sometimes feel so bad for her daughter Liza Todd (far right) who inherited none of her mother's beauty genes.

This is Liz in her first film There's One Born Every Minute. Her reported age was 10. Do people seriously think she looks 12/13?

Liz next to Carl Switzer (Alfalfa) in the film. He would have been about 14/15. They look about 5 years apart to me.

Yes, Liz was short and small-bodied, but that face was really mature . . . and sizable. Her face was easily bigger than Carl's. And Liz was only 5 ft 2 as a grown woman according to Edith Head.

judy garland was 16 in wizard of oz and they strap her down to look the part.

Debbie R on Liz and MGM Schooling at eoline:

Debbie Reynolds and Elizabeth Taylor share a complicated history.

The actresses first met as classmates in the early 1950s. "I went to MGM when I was around 17, and Liz was there too, but she was already a star," Debbie told People in 2015. "We went to school together on the lot, when she was in between films. I was just a beginner, and she and I were not in any manner alike, but we got along very well because I was in awe of going to school with Elizabeth Taylor. And if anyone said they weren't, then they were lying. Or blind."

So Liz should be under MGM education system at least up to around age 17. If Margaret was correct then Liz stopped on the 1947 set of Little Women.

Dick and Liz.

Another one.

1964?

Liz 1963 bolshoi ballet benefit

Same night with ballerina

very weak chin

narrow jaws on a heart shaped face

1964

Brigitte Bardot

Ava and Grace

same event

That Liz Taylor was a tangy dish.

attend others' wedding

Dick Liz with Sammy Davis Jr

Night of Iguana Set (I think)

With I think Rachel Welch

Pardon moi!

1968 with daughters Liza and Kate

Same. Both showing booze bloat

1974 Liz and Dick

1974 same. Liz cloak off.

Alright, you convinced us. Now close this fucking thread.

Again

I almost always prefer brunettes, but I'll make an exception for this blonde.

Liz with Brooke and CK in the 80s

Ava and Liz

I've seen a LOT of classic movies featuring ALL the classic beauties and I've never witnessed a screen moment where an actress looks more beautiful than Hedy Lamarr does in this scene.

Of course, Gene is right there in the mix.

Yes, R342, a schane Madel indeed. Did you notice at the end of that scene, in the wide shot, Hedy has a slight wobble?

Thanks to all for the images. To my surprise, I'm now convinced that Taylor was not beautiful, but very very pretty. Leigh, Lamarr, Gardner and Tierney were beautiful.

Classic Jane Powell , Elizabeth Taylor , janet Leigh , Ava Gardner , Robert Taylor moment

Hedy looks like young Vivien Leigh with fuller lips and rounded cheeks.

Gene looks like cross between Liz and Marilyn.

R345, that looks like Peter Lawford.

[R347]Could be Lawford. I'm just copying off the Pinterest there.

What is Jane doing now?

Has she reached the point where actresses disappear and you don't hear of them again until their death?

That's sad when you think she's MGM's last star to be alive.

Jean Simmons sometimes resembled Elizabeth Taylor.

Gene had MANY iconic beauty "moments".

Jean was frequently styled to look like Liz.

[R350]Jean is what I'd call the less glamorous but more elegant version of Liz. A beauty, nonetheless. I always thought she should be higher up the A list. There was talk about how she got eclipsed by Hepburn since both played elegant gamines so maybe that's way.

OMG Jean wearing Liz's the Last time I Saw Paris hair!

LTISP

[R 351] and here gene looks a bit like Kate Hepburn X Bacall. She's more glamorous than both, though.

Hedy Lamarr and she was smart unlike Taylor

Liz and Jean Simmons together

Hedy looks like she was styled after Vivien Leigh.

Hedy vs Vivien

I'm gay, why would I care about who's the most gorgeous woman ever?

Because you haven't found the right woman yet.

[R361]To copy their glamor?

But seriously. I think anyone of any orientation an appreciate any good looking human being without it being sexual. You can admire beauty in nature or art, you can admire a visually pleasing human being on a pure aesthetic level.

Thank you, Dr Joseph Nicolosi, r362.

In a sleazy biography of Mickey Rooney said that one of his wives caught horny Mickey getting a blowjob from Elizabeth Taylor during the filming of "National Velvet." He would have been 24. She was 14. The nasty story goes like this:

Pam McClenathan, a friend and caregiver to the actor's second wife, Betty Jane, told the authors that Betty Jane had gone to pay her husband a surprise visit at the Hollywood film studios. Upon opening his dressing room door, she discovered Taylor and Rooney in a compromising position.

"Betty Jane… told me she went to visit Mickey at [an LA film studio] around June 1946. She had [the couple's first son] Mickey Jr in tow and was pregnant with [second son] Timmy… When she opened the door to the dressing room, Elizabeth Taylor was on her knees giving Mickey a blow job."

So...some person SAID that Betty Jane SAID that. And conveniently, NONE of the principles in this tawdry tidbit (Betty Jane, Mickey Rooney, Elizabeth Taylor) are around to confirm or refute it. This is so typical of Hollywood biographies these days. Somebody says that somebody said or did something and all the people involved in the tale are dead, I honestly don't think Elizabeth Taylor was sucking cocks at age 14. But it certainly makes juicy gossip, doesn't it?

Even if teen Liz did it would be with hot young rich guys of the Nicky Hilton variety, not MR. Teen Liz hated ugly older men, thus why at 16 she refused Howard Hughes when the man offered to give her a studio (+ 1 mill to Sara) for her hand in marriage.

On Ivanhoe. Yes Liz looked beautiful in it, and it was a blockbuster. But Liz initially hated the film cause she thought the story was dated, the costumes waste time, and her role was lackluster romantic interest. That, and she still was at a low point in her young life after her first divorce. So she phoned in the performance in an unprofessional manner. By Butterfield 8 10 years later she would've learned to channel her dislike of a film into red hot defiance that lit up the screen.

Plus I thought Liz's looks peaked at 27 in Suddenly Last Summer.

Behind the scenes SLS

R330

California 1964 while filming THE SANDPiPER.

R310 I don't know....she's got a little somethin' goin' on, HERE. (Her dad was definitely fug, though.)

[quote]R344 I'm now convinced that Taylor was not beautiful, but very very pretty. Leigh, Lamarr, Gardner and Tierney were beautiful.

Yes, OP didn't do Taylor any favors by running her pictures alongside Grace, Ava, Audrey and Brooke etc.

[quote]R350 Jean Simmons sometimes resembled Elizabeth Taylor.

But talented

Lisa is the spitting image of her dad. His looks don't work for a woman but every one who knew him said he was one of the most charismatic men if not the most they met in their lives.

And this is in Hollywood and as the operator of operators he knew everybody.

I believe Hedy Lamarr had much better overall facial structure than Liz. Hedy also was 5’7” so she could look good in whatever the studio wanted to dress her in whereas Liz was listed at 5’2” but I think in reality she is an inch or two shorter than her listed height. Liz was a beautiful teenager and people saw her grow up before their eyes, which I think is what blinds her fan base. I would list Gene Tierney, Ava Gardner, Grace Kelly and several other actresses before Elizabeth Taylor as being the most beautiful.

Liz made some very memorable classic films from when she was young. That keeps her in peoples minds.

For all off Hedy's beauty there isn't even one beloved classic film she made. Her films are notable for their featuring a major star and yet stuck in the purgatory of popular in their day but contemporary audiences have no real desire to see them. Maybe possibly White Cargo but does it ever show up on a favorite film list? A festival of her films would hardly be a highly anticipated event.

R375 Yup Hedy’s films weren’t very good nor was she much of an actress but she sure was beautiful, if you want to see an example of her out of this world beauty watch Ziegfeld Girl.

[quote]Hedy vs Vivien

Vivien is beautiful but in a fussy, bitchy way,

Hedy's beauty was more maternal and angelic.

All views on beauty are subjective. But I think the following ABC article really shows why La Liz might actually be considered "less" attractive on DL than elsewhere.

Science of Beauty: What Made Elizabeth Taylor So Attractive? Taylor's 'HYPER-FEMININITY' Contributed to Beauty, Scientist Says

Excerpts:

LACK OF MAN COLORS [quote]The violet eyes, Taylor's white skin and raven hair may be captivating on their own, but Etcoff said that it was the combination of them that likely boosted her allure.

"A higher contrast tends to make the face look more feminine," she said.

In studies conducted by Richard Russell, a psychology professor at Gettysburg College, she said, participants found faces with greater contrast between features (like eyes and lips) and skin to be more feminine than faces with less contrast.[/quote]

LACK OF MAN JAWS [quote]"She also had a feature that most people wouldn't think of as contributing to attractiveness, but really does, which is a small, gracile jaw," she said. "Which means a jaw that is kind of small and very hyper-feminine." [/quote]

LACK OF MAN FACE [quote] In puberty, men's faces develop brow ridges and square jaws, but women's features remain less pronounced in those areas, she said.

"If we think that one sign of beauty, and there are many others, is hyperfemininity, then she has that exaggerated lower face with large lips and a small jaw," Etcoff said. "That's one aspect of beauty that's very noticeable in her face."[/quote]

LACK OF MAN BOD [quote]"She combines that beautiful face with a very beautiful body, which is beautiful in a particular way," said Etcoff. "She's almost what we would call a super-normal stimulus, which means that her hourglass figure is exaggerated."

Science has shown that the the ideal waist-to-hip ratio is 0.7, she said, but Taylor's hourglass figure supposedly boasted a 0.6 ratio.

"You think of her as voluptuous, but that combined with a tiny waist made her exaggeratedly feminine and attractive," she said. [/quote]

LACK OF MAN FACE 2.0 THE FEM RATIOS [quote]They asked about 160 students to look at hundreds of faces with different proportions and discovered their "golden ratios": When the vertical distance between a woman's eyes and mouth was about 36 percent of the face's length, and when the horizontal distance between the eyes was about 46 percent of the face's width, the face was judged to be more attractive.

Link said Taylor was a perfect example.

"She was right there with the proportions of the beautiful face," he said. "Elizabeth Taylor was a great beauty and she has those proportions that are those of the ideal." [/quote]

In other words, Liz was physical manifestation of the ULTRA FEM, free of man-traits, who attracts straight men but bore gays. And really, when you think about some of those mentioned fellow beauties on this thread, they all got those masculine features mentioned unlike Liz.

Brooke/Angelina: brow ridges and square jaws, waist-hip ratio subtle. Brooke overall even more masculine than Angelina.

Grace: thin lips man jaws wider than her temples, non-contrasting colors, thin lips, ideal waist hip but not exaggerated

Hedy: not man jaws, but round, non-gracile jaws contributing to wider lower face

Audrey: brow ridges, big boy nostrils, thin lips man jaws, looks best when disguised under Sabrina contrasting colors

Monroe: she augmented her jaws and added a chin, but also a man hairline of her own plucking, plus low contrast coloring

Ava and Gene: close to ULTRA FEM, but still slightly too wide at the jaws

Vivien is maybe the only ULTRA FEM mentioned superior to Liz under this science. Liz's tanning in the 60s also served to damage her original FEM color contrast, making her come second to Vivien. So, without further ado:

If u are still not convinced that Vivien Leigh is the most gorgeous woman ever, then see this:

coming second in UTRA FEM science (please ignore oil drenched Jimmy)

[R349] Jane Powell appears to be doing fine up to last year according to ctpost.

Bit about Liz and Debbie and Roddy: [quote]Of the early days at MGM, she would attend school on the studio lot with other young actors, including Debbie Reynolds and Elizabeth Taylor.

“We all got along,” she says, but notes they weren’t close friends but obliged whenever the studio needed publicity shots of their stable of young stars “at play.” Roddy McDowall, however, was her BFF, she says.

She and Taylor were bridesmaids at each other’s first weddings. “I told her later that I’m glad we stopped after one because it could have been a full-time career,” Powell says, laughing. (Taylor married eight times, Powell five.)[/quote]

Bit about Hedy: [quote]“Well, Hedy didn’t like me too much because she had to play my mother and she didn’t like having to play a mother. She was such a beautiful woman, but she was so wrapped up in her beauty and that was it.” [/quote]

If Jane's account was accurate and unbiased, then Hedy was bitchy and jealous towards all potential rivals including younger actresses not of her generation. Unless Jane had been a little bitch to Hedy first, then it's another matter.

A Date With Judy.....

[quote]Hedy Lamarr and she was smart unlike Taylor

r357 do you mean smart like getting terrible plastic surgery and ending up moving to Florida alone to a small bungalow and dying in obscurity? Do you mean smart like having to shoplift to save money? Yes she did help develop a very useful technology and that's impressive but Liz was smart too -- just in a different way. She was worth over 100 million when she died, plus she won an Oscar.

Hedy was science savvy. Liz was money savvy.

People say Liz was from a rich background but Sara and Dad were upper middle class at most. Liz was earning half-million+ salary since Suddenly Last Summer, and had been getting million dollar or more each film from Cleo to the Only Game in Town - except for Faustus, which Burton produced. She walked off with 7+ million for Cleo alone, not counting royalties because of her contract clause for prolonged shooting. She also invested in real estate and fashion lines in the 60s and 70s. People say Burton brought her jewelry but according to the Auction Documentary, all old timers believes that Liz paid for the jewelry herself since Burton just didn't earn nearly as much as her. She was having Burton "buy" jewelry to prop him up as a big spender big time celeb - all so the two can rely on this image to attract more money opportunities and it worked. Then came her old phrase and even an old lady, she launched the most successful celeb perfume line till then. People attacked her for Love of Jewelry book, but that book helped make her collection more organized and worthy for the Auction. When she died, each of her 4 children got over 100 million -- not counting the money from the auction and the endless flow from White Diamonds still funding them today.

Stupid don't make one rich, nor can it keep one there for long. Liz was as smart as she was massively wealthy.

Hedy Lamarr had a rough life. Her first marriage to the fascist ended where she had to leave with nothing but the clothes on her back. She made her way to Hollywood and was instantly a star but the reputation she had from her earlier movie, Ecstasy left her not being taken seriously. By all accounts she was very nice when she first came to America but became very bitter as her personal life and career did not go very smoothly. She was a stranger in a strange land with no family support and limited language skills so it made her very defensive. I think Hollywood in that era was very damaging mentally to a lot of women...and it still is probably.

During the mid 1950's, no one could surpass her. There were a handful of stars who were also extraordinarily beautiful, but at that level, they each occupied their own unique place. No one was MORE beautiful than Taylor, only, perhaps, differently beautiful.

Taylor already had three children in quick successions between 52-56, but still was waspy-waisted in Cat 1958. Sure, she aged like milk after booze and pill addiction stemming from Todd's death. So did the rest of these fast-living Hollywood beauties. She got fatter than most, but others had their faces decaying at a faster rate than hers did. She truly was a stunning physical specimen hyper feminine womanhood . . . which explains why gay men are less drawn to her looks.

Jane and Liz in A Date with Judy

Jane and Hedy in the Anime Instinct

If Hedy truly was jealous of Jane she must have been in a very bad place mentally. They couldn't possibly be competing for roles, being so different in age and looks.

Was Jane even shorter than Liz?

[quote]Science of Beauty: What Made Elizabeth Taylor So Attractive? Taylor's 'HYPER-FEMININITY' Contributed to Beauty, Scientist Says

[quote]"She also had a feature that most people wouldn't think of as contributing to attractiveness. "Which means a jaw that is kind of small and very hyper-feminine."

Using that kind of "junk science" Dorothy Kilgallen would have been considered the most desirable woman in the world.

[R386] I agree.

Of all the women mentioned, only Vivien and Liz were heralded as the Most Beautiful Woman in the World by the Old Hollywood press, with Ava the Most Beautiful Animal. The other beauties were all DL fan favs.

I'm surprised how drag-queen-ish Audrey's makeup looked at the 1954 Oscars at [r283]. And that greasy thin hair. Is that how the gamine styling looked outside studio lighting? She actually made Liz -supossedly of inferior taste - looked natural and chic on that same night.

[r392] Did you not see Dorothy Kilgallen's square man jaws in that drawing you just posted? Her lower face was heavy, unlike Liz's. Liz's jaws did not have that harsh protuding outward angle.

What no one talks about is what these people look like in REAL life.

Sure, with perfect makeup, hair, lighting and photography many of these people look spectacular on CAMERA but when one sees them in less than ideal conditions the problems are all too apparent. I've seen many celebrities in person and most of the time I'm disappointed. So many of them have HUGE heads and big faces and look better WITH makeup than someone with a smaller face but in person it's TOO MUCH. I've seen women who look much prettier with minimal makeup and styling than a "beautiful" woman does in the same condition. Of course, when the makeup is added then the differences emerge.Some faces just take makeup REALLY well.

For me, the TRUE test of beauty is when there are no cheats, no enhancements and no ideal conditions. And you don't get to see that until it is standing right in front of you

I've seen Liz in real life in the early 90s and she looked better in person in that her face features were more exquisite, and her petite figure better proportioned. Ava was said to look better in real life too. Monroe was said to be unrecognizable on a NY street even after surgeries and fame.

(Bi?)Woman's Opinion: “Elizabeth Taylor is the most beautiful woman I’ve ever fit. She is not as easy to dress as Grace Kelly or Audrey Hepburn, because she is a short woman – only 5’2″. She’s also extremely curvaceous and has short legs. But, you see, those are the kinds of minor imperfections that make for classic beauty. A woman’s individual beauty is created by little mars in the state of perfect beauty. Elizabeth’s fascination lies in those little discrepancies. She has aged gracefully, despite what her detractors have said. She is beautiful when she is plump and she is lovely when she trims down. A faulty figure can be changed by foundations and the proper use of dark and light colors. But no makeup can create a face like Elizabeth’s. She is exquisite.” ~ designer Edith Head, Edith Head’s Hollywood

Gay Man (or does he identify as such?) Opinion: “Her breasts, hanging and huge, were like those of a peasant woman suckling her young in Peru. On her fat, coarse hands more of the biggest diamonds and emeralds...

“And this was the woman who is the greatest “draw”. In comparison everyone else looked ladylike.” - Cecil Beaton's Diaries

'Her breasts, hanging and huge, were like those of a peasant woman suckling her young in Peru.'

I would assume to a straight man this would be an asset.

Part of LIz's beauty was her coloring. Her black hair and heavy eyelashes (double lashes from birth) (+ the violet eyes) made other women, even beautiful ones, look washed out in photos next to her. I've never seen her in real life to know whether that was the case as well.

[r398] See for yourself in below pic.

Or maybe Cecil was disappointed since he was expecting pecs.

[r399] Liz has Hyper Feminine Coloring according to science. She was like a real life snow white before the tanning.

The 70s fat vulgar Taylor Cecil hated.

Regarding Liz's bust:

Cecil -- Pleasant Peru Woman

Burton -- Topple Empires

R393 that’s not correct, there were a lot of women who were called the most beautiful woman in the world including Hedy Lamarr. Hedy’s skin was always described as alabaster and her hair was coal black. I have seen other jewish people with this coloration but she is by far the best representation of it for shear beauty topped off with grey green eyes. If you google Hedy those are some of the first things that pop up including the IMDB that says she is often considered the most beautiful woman in the history of film by both critics and fans. Hedy was breathtaking as Lana Turner said.

Toppling empires asleep in 1959 Suddenly Last Summer.

[R404] Being called most beautiful by whom and when could make all the difference though. Hedy was cool with her wifi invention, but I don't recall her ever being an A-lister like Vivien. The publications and people who called her most beautiful may not have the same scope of influence as those heralding Vivien or Vivien 2.0 aka Liz.

[quote]R378 I think the following ABC article really shows why La Liz might actually be considered "less" attractive on DL than elsewhere.

It's just such a pity there aren't any pics of her available online!

Different people looking at the same pic but seeing different things now that's science.

[r399]In person she was more refined in features, though the striking coloring remains. Think photo Liz merging slightly with photo of prime Vivien. And she was thinner than her photos from that same time period.

[quote]she is by far the best representation of it for shear beauty

Garden or sheep, dear?

I'm assuming pinking r410.

I'll start the Liz wasted wardrobe test series here.

First up, Quo Vadis 1951

The look that I don't think ever made it to the released version of Giant 1956.

Liz was hairy, or "hirsute", as it's called. That accounted for her double lashes, which was good, but the rest of her body was hairy. . Both she and her bosom buddy Montgomery Clift were hairy monkeys.

Cut Cleo wardrobe

Cat on Tin Roof hair that never was

[r414]At a time when Rita and Marilyn can change their hairline, Liz's body hair should have been a piece of cake removing.

OP, I have been convinced for all my 68 years.

R406 Many actresses were duped the most beautiful by their studios, Hedy’s at MGM but before her it was Joan Crawford. Daryl Zanuck christianed Gene Tierney as the most beautiful woman in the world at Fox, as MGM later dubbed Ava Gardner with the title. Clearly beauty is subjective and no one is suggesting Hedy was much of an actress but the title of OP was about beauty and Hedy at least in my opinion is the most beautiful actress ever in cinema. Mel Brooks calls her the most beautiful women ever in the documentary Boimbshell: The Hedy Lamarr Story. I would not go that far but as far as actresses I have seen I would go with Hedy. If you are talking about acting and beauty together, I would pick Vivian Leigh but Taylor is not a bad choice either although I think Gene Tierney is just as good an actress and beautiful as was Liz.

R377 Hedy's beauty was more maternal and angelic.

I agree

R404, when Hedy was a mystery guest on WML, and Arlene Francis thinks she knows the identity, she starts singing "The Most Beautiful Girl in the World."

[quote]R414 Liz was hairy, or "hirsute", as it's called. That accounted for her double lashes, which was good, but the rest of her body was hairy.

I forget what guy it was who said after seeing her in a bathing suit when she was young, "Give her a razon so she can shave her arms."

Hedy should have made such films as The Ghost and Mrs Muir, Laura and Leave her to Heaven.

She inspired no one.

Hedy was usually cast as a mannequin in her film roles. I would not argue that she was a strong actress but if you are talking about pure beauty she was pretty much flawless but for her breasts which was what lead her to start a conversation with George Anthiel who proported to be some sort of expert on endrochronology and breast development which conversations then turned to weapons development and her ever lasting claim to fame, frequency hoping.

Hedy’s films are largely forgotten but what does survive is her reputation as an inventor and for fabulous beauty. She may ultimately end up being more famous than about any actor in Hollywood history, fair or not as their films become ancient relics.

As an old Hollywood film bluff born in the late 70s, I have never heard of Hedy Lamarr until DL.

Hedy may not have been a very good actress, but there were lesser OH actresses than her who gained more fame beauty-wise. The reason, I believe, is her unrelated twin Vivien Leigh - queen of hyper-feminine beauty.

From science article: "If we think that one sign of beauty, and there are many others, is hyperfemininity, then she (Liz Taylor) has that exaggerated lower face with large lips and a small jaw," Etcoff said.

Vivien's lips were thinner than Liz's, but her lower face was no less exaggerated with the small jaws emphasized by cheekbones.

While pretty, everything on Hedy's round face is pretty even, with nothing exaggerated to suggest hyper femininity. There's a lot of talk about apparent cheekbones being beautiful and Hedy's round cheeks did not show that. In other words, she was a less hyper-feminine version of Vivien.

Being in film in the same time period as Vivien, who boasted similar yet more striking features (plus acting talent), was what rendered Hedy obscure.

Something that should have been in Feud: Joan Crawford vs Liz.

Feud has Joan bashing Marilyn Monroe in 1962 cause MM was the It Girl. But fact was that her quip at MM happened in 1953. By 62 MM was fading, and her Golden Globe Fav Actress Award a "goodbye your career is over" award. By 62, the one who Joan was bashing publicly for "lack of morals" was La Liz.

Check Joan Crawford Interview on Elizabeth Taylor & George Cukor on Youtube. That was Crawford in 1966 admitting (bravely) that she should not have bashed Liz's private life, as it was none of her business.

R425 Hedy was not obscure at all but a royal pain to work with at MGM, always demanding more money, difficult to work with and she turned down plumb roles they were offering her: Laura, Gaslight, etc. She was considered a very valuable property in the early forties so MGM would not loan her out to play Ilsa in Casablanca. The part of Ilsa was written with her in mind as the beautiful woman that Rick could not live with out as the similarly plotted Algiers which had made Hedy a star overnight was it’s inspiration but fortunately Ingrid Bergman was cast instead...it wouldn’t have been the same film with Hedy as Ilsa.

The perfect symmetry of Hedy’s features is a part of why she was considered so beautiful as she had no bad camera angle, which I understand is highly unusual. In any event if she had been a better actress and more reasonable to work with she would have been able to work until she was quite elderly but once her beauty faded no more Hedy in Hollywood. Unfortunately to for Hedy she is 20 years older than Liz so the photographic technics improved in the interim, as her first color film was Samson and Delilah and that did not get made until she was in her mid to late 30’s but she still filmed well in black in white given her coal black hair, and Lilly white skin before WWII.

R426 What started it all was the aged Joanie returned to MGM to make TORCH SONG in 1953 and she was all aflutter to be back on the lot etc. Taylor's husband Michael Wilding was unlucky enough to be in it, and she visited him on the set and chatted with some people.

Crawford was incensed Taylor didn't say Hello, and told the director, "You tell that little bitch she never comes on my set again without acknowledging me!"

Taylor told the press, "Michael is lucky he plays a blind person opposite Joan Crawford, so he doesn't have to look at her."

Just read the Wiki on Hedy. It seemed like she was indeed the most beautiful self-taught scientist in the world, but got crumbled by a lack of negotiation and people skills. With money she acted like she had to seize it from people by force, which ruined her chances of getting what she would have otherwise attained through reasonable demands. The the lack of people skill pitted her needlessly against every man woman and children around her. No wonder Jane Powell was not impressed. She had a brilliant analytical mind, but was far too thin-skinned to survive in this world. Her still having a US$3.3 million estate by 2000 is maybe the only silver lining to this tragic cautionary tale of a life.

[r428]Joan graciously apologized to Liz plus called her a great actress in the 1966 interview. I'm hoping that means the feud between these two got resolved by then.

Hedy had a good run for her money. So what if, when she died at 86, she was living in Florida and forgotten. Nothing tragic there (well, maybe the Florida part). Lots of her peers died in the camps.

[quote]R430 Joan graciously apologized to Liz plus called her a great actress in the 1966 interview. I'm hoping that means the feud between these two got resolved by then.

Lucille didn't tell the full story on the TV show, and she never apologized to Taylor in person.

Or did she send one of her classic notes on pale blue stationery?

She barely touches on the truth. In fact, she avoids what the whole thing was about.

La Liz should have been a part of Feud to beef up the Joan C backstory.

[r431]That's true. Too many far bigger stars and even inventors did in fact met worse ends than Hedy. Had she avoided the disfiguring plastic surgeries, she could have even lived normal senior years instead of one where her contacts to the outside were phone only.

I read Hedy's autobiography (which I believe was heavily ghost written) and in it "she" talks about tough times in the 60s, being without work, etc. I don't know that her financial situation was always stable. Or maybe it was.

I'm just saying, There's conflicting reports about this out there.

The inventive Hedy.

Liz probably wouldn't have been able to follow a single thing she said...

If only the inventive Hedy has Liz's money-making skills, she'd be the female Bill Gates.

Well, she invented that coding system and donated it to the government for use in WWII....so she wasn't QUITE as grabby and materialistic as Liz.

[r439] Hedy donated her ideas to the gov. Liz donated her $ to Aids fighting causes. Hedy also dated Howads Hughes, who offered a studio and some million to marry teen Liz but was rejected.

Line Renaud

Emmanuelle Béart

[r439]"so she wasn't QUITE as grabby and materialistic as Liz." Tell that to the shop owners she stole from.

I just met a girl named.......

Amalia Fuentes, the Elizabeth Taylor of the Philippines

"Linda" Lin Dai (1934-1964), the Elizabeth Taylor of Hong Kong 50s cinema.

More Lin Dai in the 50s

Lin Dai copying that Butterfield 8 style. PS she was famous for wining multiple Golden Horse Acting Awards.

One more Lin Dai, taken in the sixties.

R443 . A bottle of Prell and some Maybelline. Grand Larceny.

As the Hollywood of the East back between 50s and the 90s, Hong Kong old cinema grooms their stars according to established stars of Hollywood. Alongside Linda "Liz Taylor" Lin Dai, there were also HK versions of Audrey Hepburn and Sophia Loren.

Ha Ping (Translated Summer Flower) - HK's Audrey Hepburn

Law Lan (translated Roma Orchid) - HK's Sophia Loren (though she looked more Ava than Sophia)

Eva Green

R452, now this is getting interesting. Barbara Perez was the Audrey Hepburn of Philippine cinema.

Philippines Audrey seems to have prettier features than real Audrey.

Merle Tuazon was the Philippine Ava Gardner (although I can't find any good pictures demonstating the resemblance).

And Gilda Gales was the Philippine Garbo.

[quote]R440 Liz donated her $ to Aids fighting causes.

Mmmmmm....no, she donated her name and her time, which is great. But she was always pretty tight with the purse strings.

She and Burton would always talk about the hospitals they were building in Africa etc. and how while they lived a lavish lifestyle, they gave half their income away to charity...but it was all bullshit. The charities they'd mention in press conferences were never able to collect from them!

I don’t know about charities but Taylor and Burton had a large entourage as well as Burton’s extended family to support, and from everything I’ve read they were very generous.

And Liz Taylor Aids Foundation is a thing. Even a huge part of the Auction's proceeds went to it.

[quote]R461 And Liz Taylor Aids Foundation is a thing. Even a huge part of the Auction's proceeds went to it.

Sure she donated, after she was dead and didn't need it anymore. I mean, it's not like she sold her jewelry in the 80s or 90s when the money was most needed for AIDS research.

In a lot of ways, the AIDS crisis gave her a whole new career in the limelight. She did fundraising, but didn't reach into her own pocket till she was dead and buried.

Liz was some humanitarian, with her biggest diamonds collections and drunken binges with her bloated sidekick Dick. I think they were the original Kane and Kim of celebrities. I never found either appealing with their overacting and public displays of affection. Either might have been okay on their own but together they were insufferable.

R463 Liz & Dick were the original Brad and Angelina rather than Kim and Kanye. Except, Elizabeth and Richard exuded passion and people were truly swept up with their mad love affair. I don't think any modern celeb couple has that effect on people.

Elizabeth Taylor should have worn green more often. There's something striking about the way that color sets off her skin, hair, and eyes.

^^ Agreed. I love this picture of Elizabeth so much.

The government initially rejected Hedy's ideas...didn't adapt them (or steal them) until the new millennium.

I couldn't stand Jean Simmons. She didn't act, she scowled.

All I can say is what my dad used to say, “You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink”.

That Lizzie Taylor lady sure is purdy.

R470 She was a fat whore that drink confined to a wheelchair half the time...not that she couldn't spread her legs for all comers even in THAT!

[r462] Are you absolutely sure Liz never donated to charities in life? That she never put in money for the Aids Foundation she set up in in 91? And that her Underground AIDS Pharmaceutical Ring never cost her a penny? Are you for real?

And that massive amount she donated after death . . . you do you realize she could still have left it to her children and many grandchildren? That, or she could have spent it all in life, and that it would all be within her right to do so.

I'm not saying she's the utmost generous celeb ever. I'm certain there are others who might have done more. But saying Liz having never reached into her own pocket to help others is just laughable.

R472 Look, neither of us knew the classless cow, but having read about 6 books about her including her 2 autobiographies, it's well documented that she and Burton renigged on a bunch of charities they publicly stated they'd support, or found.

Yeah, she donated some money, but it was known in fundraising circles she was much, much more likely to give a speech or lend her name to something rather than actaully write a check.

She was always haggling for free clothes with designers, too, when they weren't even in need of her name for public recognition. Arnold Scaasi finally gave her 1 dress after knowing her for years, and Dior eventually agreed they'd give her 1 purse or whatever for each dress she purchased.

Actually spelled [italic]reneged[/italic]

(It's ppropriate that the first time I've ever had to use that word is in relation to cheap-ass Taylor.)

[r473] You don't know her but you call her classless? One would've thought Taylor stole personally from you to warrant you harsh judgement of her.

Holy slandering power of 3rd 4th hand accounts that can never hold up under fact-checking.

And OF COURSE top designers are pushovers who'd just give free clothes away because some useless-to-them celeb "haggle." It's not like high fashion is a shrewd money-making business or anything.

Yes, Liz was a successful beauty icon turned businesswoman whose AIDS charity last even today. If others' successes somehow offend you just say so. No need to try putting her down citing unproven gossips.

[quote]R475 No need to try putting her down citing unproven gossips.

Have you ever read a biography before? Especially when on a living person, they're quite careful about attributing specific quotes to who ever supplied them to the writer. Often there's even a section at the back, analyzing where each piece of information came from, how it was recorded and where, etc.

[r476] TIL all things written in all biographies are true, with no room for fabrications whatsoever. Don't be fooled by actual news reporting of Liz's philanthropy, or that she donated vast fortunes in death that could otherwise go to her surviving kin. Liz must be cheap if book says so!

Well, it's multiple books that say so, actually.

She also trashed a hotelroom when she found out they hadn't comped it for her, but that was in her late teens.

The Mike Todd Antique Diamond Earrings

Despite the relative small sizes of the diamonds involved, these are amongst the most frequently worn of Elizabeth Taylor's jewelries. Turns out there is a story behind them.

Back during their courtship, Mike Todd took Taylor to Paris wanting to shower her with expensive gifts. Taylor surprised Todd by rejecting more expensive offers in favor of a pair of paste stone earrings. A few months later, Taylor tried on the gift, but found them somehow different. Turns out that Mike had a jeweler copy the paste earrings' design, and craft a pair of real diamond earrings in that exact style. These earrings remained one of Taylor's top favs along with a few far more showy and expensive pieces.

[r 478]Multiple unproven sources cannot all be lies, of course.

How does it make sense to ignore reports of stories you don't like about her, while accepting stories that make her seem to be the way you like?

[r481] Anyone capable of thought would laugh at your "reasoning."

Is the existence of Liz's charity organization just an unproven story like what you've been telling? Is it possible to not spend any of ones own money setting up and running such an organization and related functions? Was Liz's massive donation in death anything but an act of generosity? Can you even cite which books are saying what you've been saying about her cheapness, let alone who these books say are supplying the info?

Fallen low though he may be, THIS source did used to be an active Hollywood heavyweight back in the day.

Elizabeth Taylor’s AIDS Crusade: Harvey Weinstein Remembers (thedailybeast)

Harvey Weinstein 03.23.11 9:21 AM ET

[quote] "I first met her when she and Dr. Mathilde Krim formed Cinema Against AIDS, the amfAR charity event held every year in Cannes."

"Elizabeth came every year that she could, and used her own money for both expenses and donations. She was the event’s quarterback and chief fundraiser. " [/quote]

And before people make jabs about Liz being associated with HW, I do wonder if he was more disgusting than any studio bosses all Old Hollywood stars dealt with on a regular basis.

Oh dear...

R468, you are a fool and a scoundrel. And an ignoramus.

[r 465]That dress from Suddenly Last Summer looks great on her in color.

Oh my gosh, r485, I didn't recognize that that dress was from Suddenly Last Summer. For whatever reason, I would never have pictured that dress in green. Here's another favorite of mine from that movie, but I don't know what color it is.

Your honest opinions on Lindsay's portrayal of Elizabeth? It left me feeling like I was naked and lost outside in the cold somewhere and feeling totally disrespected. However, if the movie wasn't about Elizabeth and was just a random broad, then perhaps I would have enjoyed it. But yeah it was trash, and what were they thinking of putting her in that damn wig as older Liz?? - I didn't like Helena Bonham Carters portrayal either.

[r 486] Oh, I always just assumed it was black. Never found colored pics of it, but it sure showed off Liz's hourglass shape. Yeah, the green dress was worn tourist casual in SLS, so it did appear different than in the glamor shot you post.

Suddenly Last Summer: a film that should have had a colored release because of the exotic visuals

Green dress in Suddenly Last Summer.

Green dress in SLS promotion material

Green dress in candid.

One more of SLS green dress, B&W

SLS really should have been in color. "So now I get to wear a decent dark suit sitting at a corner" scene in color.

I must have seen SLS at least a half dozen times, and I've always just assumed that that dress was a drab brown or some other unremarkable color. I just love the way that that green really sets off her gorgeous features.

One violet dress from camera test that never seemed to have made it to the film.

R493, what color do you imagine the pair of speedos to be?

"Wasn't young anymore" Cousin Sebastian wears flamboyant violet in my mind.

R497, I would have imagined canary yellow, but the shade of gray in the B&W photo indicates that your guess is probably closer to the mark.

With a mother named Violet, I'm guess it's . . . well, violet.

R266 are you Tarquin? Poor cunt, you probably never set foot in England nor met anyone who ever came within 200 miles of Laurence Olivier, but here you are defending his 'heteroSexuality'.That's laughable. You don't mind getting fucked in backrooms by any invisible stranger who will have your saggy poz ass, but god forbid someone expose the great man. You illiterate cretin. Get a library card you imbecile. This thread is too stupid. First the 'unparralleled beauty' of miss Piggy, that haggard sow Taylor, then the straight lord Olivier. You should stick to Luke Evans and Armie Hammer. Just die honestly. Poor cunt

R500 sounds he's channeling Cecil Beaton.

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She was STUNNING in The Sandpiper

As witheringly bitchy and mean as Beaton's observations were he was quite an elegant writer. While I love Liz I think what he wrote about her peasant breasts ripe for suckling is pretty funny.

I also love Kate H and his writing about her while working on Coco is a hoot. He also could not be trusted. He writes about how horrible she was to the chorus girls who played the models in the show. Yet on youtube there is a video of a salute to Michael Bennett and a couple of the women who were in the musical said that Hepburn treated them very well.

This woman is just as "gorgeous" as Liz.

(from the eyes upwards)

Jean Simmons looked like Audrey X Liz.

Vivien Leigh was actually the first choice to play Violet Venable in Suddenly Last Summer. Plans fell through when Leigh was actually considered uninsurable because of her health problems. If only it had happened. On top of having two top beauties from their respective generations in the same film, we'd have a Violet who is actually decoy MILF material.

OMG, STOP with those fugly Asians!

R514 Are you calling Vivien Leigh an Asian? Also, who is that guy in the pic with leigh?? He looks very modern

r515 Guy is Jack Merivale according to Pinterest

R513 Vivien would have been stunning as Violet but EVERYONE knows Vivien did not want to be outshone by her younger doppelganger.

R515 I think Merivale was Gladys Cooper's nephew??????

R516 R517 much obliged.

To be honest the best Violet / Catherine combo would be midlife Liz (think Blue Bird) as domineering Violet vs young Vivien as catatonic Catherine. It's not gonna happen unless these two try it in the afterworld, of course.

That Jack Merivale guy looks like he would have made a great Cousin Sebastian.

Kate Hepburn was stunning as Violet.

BUT I would not be at all surprised if Tennessee wrote Violet with Vivien in mind seeing as how she did Blanche.

And Violet was SUPPOSED to be a beauty which Sebastian used as his man-trap.

Kate Hepburn was a good actress of course, but. On top of not having Vivien's looks, business-crisp Kate just did not have Vivien's sensuality to suggest man-trap.

Unfortunately, another problem Vivien would have had playing Violet was her shortness.

Liz had bigger boobs and longer legs. (Poor Vivien would have crumbled with the comparison. Very few actresses are strong enough to face the younger version of themselves)

Liz and Vivien at the primes.

^ There's a sad synchronicity at Liz and Vivien and Dick and Larry.

Larry once told Dick he saw Vivien in Liz.

Dick and Liz were playing characters based on Larry and Vivien in the VIPs. Vivien actually almost did eloped with Peter Finch by plane, but the fog at the airport got in the way.

R527 'The VIPs' was written by Terence Rattigan who had a naughty habit of putting his friends on stage,.

'Variation on a Theme' 1958 was about sweet Margaret Leighton being two-timed by her louse of a husband (Laurence Harvey)

'In Praise of Love' 1974 was about Rex Harrison & Kay Kendall

'Who is Sylvia?' 1950 was about his own adulterous father

'The Deep Blue Sea' 1952 was about his own desperately unhappy romances.

"Are you Tarquin? Poor cunt, you probably never set foot in England nor met anyone who ever came within 200 miles of Laurence Olivier, but here you are defending his 'heteroSexuality'.That's laughable. You don't mind getting fucked in backrooms by any invisible stranger who will have your saggy poz ass, but god forbid someone expose the great man. You illiterate cretin. Get a library card you imbecile. This thread is too stupid. First the 'unparralleled beauty' of miss Piggy, that haggard sow Taylor, then the straight lord Olivier. You should stick to Luke Evans and Armie Hammer. Just die honestly. Poor cunt."

Are you STILL harping on Laurence Oliver's supposed homosexuality? By the way, your post proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you're insane. Please do the world a favor and kill yourself soon. Put yourself out of your misery, you poor, poor maladjusted lonely, mentally retarded cunt.

They don't make "sows" like these anymore.

r510 Sandpipers was a huge box-office hit at the time despite the melodrama.

There's so much noise on DL that will disagree with you because Sandpiper captures Liz at one of her alcohol bloat phrases. Yet, when I look at the Sports Illustrated of today and they feature actual obese women calling them beautiful.

Candid of Burtons around that time period.

Elizabeth Taylor replaced Vivien Leigh in "Elephant Walk." So ET subbed again for VL in "Suddenly, Last Summer"?

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No. It was Katherine Hepburn who subbed for the uninsurable VL as Mrs. Violet Venable in Suddenly Last Summer.

VL was uninsurable because they knew she'd OD.

Kim Basinger

Eva

Hollywood lighting and make-up artists could make just about anyone look good. Early television was not nearly so flattering. Nevertheless, Liz's beauty held its own under the generally unforgiving conditions of "What's My Line?"

It's interesting that she could be so funny on "What's My Line?," yet Hollywood never really took the opportunity to capitalize on her apparent comic abilities.

I think that was some time after The Last Time I Saw Paris, while Liz was pregnant with her second son Christopher

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Liz fresh after birth of Christopher Wilding, with both sons, 1955

Celebrating Liza Todd, her last related child, in 1957. She would get a surgery to avoid children afterwards due to life-endangering back problems revealed during this pregnancy.

Liz with 2 sons 1957.

Liz's children were like her pets; she carted them around with her but had little involvement with them.

R543 True. She was very lazy and neglectful when it came to her kids the most around the time she was with Richard, I read.

r543 For a priviledged life plus 100+ million starting 2012 I'd rush to be Liz's pet.

Burtons in the 70s, with children.

1973 at Disneys with Chris, Liza and the adopted Maria Burton

One of Liz's grandsons dated Carrie Fisher's daughter for a while in the 00s, prompting Carrie to pull up the family tree doing a comedy show about the melodrama of it all.

r543 r544 I wonder how Liz's supposedly neglected children compare with those by the maternal likes of Audrey H or Grace K?

r537 ain't kidding about early TV's low budget camera work.

Mayerling is supposed to be this high budget star studded TV mini-series, and it made poor Audrey look wrinkled hard and square by 1957. That same year, she still looked fairly good in the big screen Funny Face.

Audrey gorgeous in Funny Face.

There are great beauties that kind of looked like men in drag. Capucine is/was one, Garbo was one, so was Crawford. There are great beauties with very feminine features who could never be mistaken for men. Elizabeth Taylor had perfect features, but, IMO, not the sort of bone structure that could survive aging, abuse, weight gain. When she was a teen-ager up to about 22 she was the most gorgeous thing in the world. I love all of her 1950s movies because she was so gorgeous but also came across as high-spirited, fun, generous and good-natured. By the 1960s, although she was young still, she was matronly. Richard Burton got the matronly Liz. Double-chinned, chicken-legged, overly tan.

P.S. Diana wasn't even a world class beauty. She had gorgeous eyes, when young had beautiful skin and hair. In her thirties she would get red instead of tan, but still went into the sun, she had large pores, helmet hair and a flat ass.

In terms of beauty, a younger Angelina Jolie was in the same league as Liz. Nowadays, I can't think of anyone except the Indian actress Priyanka Chopra.

LOUISE BROOKS AND FRANCES FARMER : not only the most beautiful women, the most intelligent women : they used their brain and it was, maybe still is, the big problem...

To me, Sharon Tate was the most beautiful. So beautiful that Elizabeth got her kicked off the set of The Sandpiper.

r 551 The hazards of tanning can never be underestimated.

Still, as many had mentioned, Liz was a stunning teenager. She became promoted as the most beautiful woman by some major photographer at 15. Most other beauties mentioned here were awkward-looking young girls compared to teen Liz. And, unlike teen beauty Brook Shields, Liz remained an undisputed top beauty up to at least her early 30s. Liz had a prime period that lasted for more than 15 years - a very good length for any woman of top beauty caliber.

Past her prime, Liz did not simply cease to be a top beauty. Rather, she had wild ups and downs in appearance. She was bloated through her mid 30s, slimmed significantly in her glamorous early 40s, turned obese in her late 40s to early 50s, had THE resurgence from between late 1983 to 1993-ish, before finally plummeting as failing bones and brain tumor crumbled her face and body once and for all.

Like Edith Head, I considered Liz to have aged fine. Not only did she have beautiful thin phrases scattered throughout her mid-life and older-life years, but also that her facial features did not distort from surgeries and age at her many peers' horrific pace. Many on DL attribute her older face to surgeries; but, supposed surgeries alone saved Liz's aging face, why can't it save others'?

Last image is of the Liz that Richard got in 1974, around their first divorce. Beside them are Sophia Loren and someone I do not recognize.

For most other Hollywood beauties, even the tall manly ones that supposedly aged well, the only way for their looks to go was down right after hitting 30.

r553 Jolie gained man jaws and a receding hairline in her early 20s. Catherine Zeta Jone is the only contemporary actress who could rival Taylor in physical beauty, and she is now nearing 50.

r555 If Liz at her bloated, messed-up peak in Boom can tolerate skinny elegant Joanna Shimkus having love scenes with Dick, I don't see how she would fire masculine Miss Tate out of mere jealousy.

And Liz could be two years older than her stated age according to Margaret O'Brien and Esther Williams, in spite of her child-sized appearances as a mature-faced child star.

Teenage Liz made to go to classes at MGM.

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Of course we all understand how no known actress could look like young Liz in 2012. Thing was, LiLo wasn't even trying. Or if she was, she should be banned from acting ever again. Bonham Carter I will give a pass, because she actually tried to imitate Liz's mannerisms. Though both Bios got mediocre scripts and are boring.

The only way an interesting Liz bio could emerge is, I think, if Feud do a season on Debbie and Liz's complicated life-long relationship. Even if the actresses may not resemble the originals, at least the acting and story should be watchable.

R556 That someone you do not recognize is a man who almost lured Cary Grant to Italy in 1947.

r 560 Ooh, another gay connection.

Chopra's hairline is too low. That's always a beauty deal breaker - low dome.

The only contemporary actress who I think can compare is Aishwarya Rai, especially if stunning eyes are a necessary ingredient.

Many actresses use makeup to get the power-browed, heavy-lashed look, and some do have nice eye-shape. Liz's hyperfem face shape - with the dramatic small lower face - however is something only Zeta Jones can came close to. I have yet to see it on any of the current crop of man-jawed young Hollywood actresses. That and the hourglass figure with the 0.6 waist hip ratio seemed an impossible ideal for today's wide-ribbed bunch.

I went to the preview of all the contents of Liz's estate sale at Christie's. It was fabulous. But I never saw so many caftans in my life. She was only 5'2" tall, so every pound had to show. And she surely spent a lifetime aware of that fact. So caftans it was and lots of them. The other notable thing about her wardrobe was how big her feet were. There were hundreds of pairs of shoes in that estate sale and all of them that I could see were at least size 9 and many were size 10.

Her face was perfect and her tits were ample. But otherwise, things were not altogether favorable.

^ I'm sorry to hear that Liz was only 5'2' which is even shorter than Vivien.

I thought Vivien waddled through these Ceylonese scenes but Liz would have been worse.

Scrolled through the thread seems we have over 500 posts most of which are based on the premise that the most beautiful woman must be white.

R567 I'm guessing you are the one rooting for Aishwarya/Rai/Priyanka/Chopra.

You need to realise we aren't in India and we aren't just talking physiognomy. We're talking about an British-American star who's been at the centre of Western glamour, gossip, movie-making, high society and homosexual men for half a century.

R568, R553 is not R563 and R563 is not R567. And that's only the start of the stupidity of your post.

Didn't she dodge a lot of taxes by moving to Switerland, and only shooting films in Europe for a while, so she could avoid income tax? I think the interiors for THE SANDPIPER, BUTTERFIELD 8 and THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN had to be shot outside the U.S., so she could evade taxes (?)

And wasn't she going to renounce her U.S. citizenship at one point, for the same reason?

Can you blame her, R570?

Do you think Elizabeth worked like a galley-slave so Nixon and the Feds could take too much of her money and spend it on all those unemployed, unemployable American citizens who spend their days in trailer parks and Walmart?

[quote]R571 ....spend it on all those unemployed, unemployable American citizens who spend their days in trailer parks and Walmart?

Well, those WERE her fans.

Big Liz was "a Star of the People," not the critics or anything.

R568, you are very stupid. I simply wrote a post about who--IMO-- could rival Taylor's beauty today and you had to turn it into a racist rant. Don't you have a Klan meeting today?

Yes she was very beautiful.

"Do you think Elizabeth worked like a galley-slave...."

Uhhh... no. No, I don't. Not quite.

But yes, she was yoked into employment by her parents from about the time she was four years old. It is still true that she probably never in her life came within 500 feet of a galley that wasn't part of a movie set.

R557 Liz was worried that Richard Burton might spot Sharon and try to flirt, so she had people on the set keep Sharon at a distance from him - and she even got Sharon's scenes deleted from the movie after she was removed off set. I've read it in a couple of Liz books and Sharon Tate: Recollection. Sharon's sister, Debra, asked Elizabeth why and she said “Of course I had her removed. Did you ever see your sister?”

Quin Tivey.....one of the few offsprings (grandson) who inherited the dark coloring and good looks. Her children from Michael Wilding look like their dad.

Hedy Lamarr admired Sophia Loren’s look but in her book Ecstasy and Me this is what she said about Elizabeth Taylor, “I don’t think Elizabeth Taylor is glamorous, or even cute, only a heavy little girl. It was the late Hedda Hoppper who said, No one knew she could act until she married Richard Burton.” Why is she so successful? I think because she is an honest rebel with a flamboyant private life”.

Hedy may have been showing some jealousy at this point since she was 52 and Liz was only 33 at the time this book was being written but I do think Taylor’s wild private life is why people translate that into her being more beautiful than other women. Hedy was supposed to have player Liz’s mother in Father of the Bride shortly after her success in Samson and Delilah but backed out probably in part because she didn’t want to be perceived as being old enough to have a grown daughter.

LOVE that gif of Hedy. She truly was beautiful and a sight to behold. I keep seeing that gif everywhere now and pictures from the movie because of Lana Del Rey. When isn't that bitch stealing looks..

Hedy Lamarr really was perfect. Louis B. Mayer chose the new name Lamarr for her because the late silent screen star Barbara Lamarr had, in her time, been known as [italic]The Girl Who Was Too Beautiful.[/italic]

(I think Barbara Lamarr had a heroin problems, unfortunately.)

How does anyone on DL not recognize one of the greats of 20th Century cinema Vittorio De Sica?

Not only a great filmmaker but a wonderful actor.

Madame De must be seen by anyone with the slightest interest in film.

A film of pure simple superficial elegance and style that leaves you emotionally devastated.

r565 A lot of the Christies auction items are from Liz's fattest stages -look at the robes - so I ain't surprised by the large shoe sizes. And she is prone to water/alcohol bloat. Debbie R, who became friends with Liz again in their olden years, let on that Liz wore different sized rings during one same day due to the varying levels of water retention.

That said, even in her late 50s, she still could fit into the following dress, which, even with shape-wear, I find to be an amazing feat.

r576 If that story is true, then Sharon must have overstepped serious boundaries to have incurred Liz's wrath. Liz was surrounded by tall thin girls in Cleopatra, and no reported jealousy happened. In fact, Francesca Annis -then a beautiful waif - had nothing but praise for her.

Read Elizabeth Taylor: 'I owe it all to her' on Telegraph.

That, and the blonde girl who made out with Richard in Boom was far prettier in the face than Sharon, and no bad blood happened.

Attached pic of Liz with Francesca

r578 Hedy's preference for Sophia Loren-ish looks must have played a role in those cheek-implants and lip puff she got in her old age.

Attached: Liz and Sophia in the 70s.

We've already seen that picture R584 but do you have anything to back up your assertion that Lamar modelled herself on Loren?

See Hedy Lamarr Old.

Old Hedy's eyes, cheekbones and lips seemed modeled after 70s Loren

Another pic of older Hedy resembling a surgical version of 1970s Sophia Loren.

One more before after of Hedy with her surgeries. I am seeing Loren in the after one. Even the makeup resembled 60s Loren.

1970s Sophia Loren

I actually think Lamarr's real face - resembling Vivien Leigh X Jean Harlow - was far prettier than Loren's. Had Hedy only do minor nip tug with less implants, she's remain beautiful unto her golden years. But the grass is always greener and I guess age made her insecure.

r566 Liz was the actual first choice for the role in Elephant Walk, but her pregnancy got in the way. So the role went to Vivien, who collapsed mentally in India. So fresh after giving birth, Liz, still chubby, took back the role because she was desperate financially as breadwinner to fading Michael Wilding. So yeah, Liz probably did waddle on the horse, whale bone corset non-withstanding.

Hedy in better days.... dig that hair volume.

Do we need a thread #2 ?

Please, No.....

Thread # 2 is a great idea! How about add "one of" to the original title for thread #2? Less hostility, and one more place to talk and compare old Hollywood glamor.

At least Liz didn't look like a cosmetic surgery freak in her later days. She seemed to accept aging, grey hair, fat and all.

^^ Yes. Sophia Loren is scary now, as well as Kim Novak.

Link to part 2

Let me close the thread with a beautiful Liz Taylor pic