Poland

It's a bad reputation to shake off. Not just Auschwitz, but Chelmno, Sobibor, Treblinka, Majdanek, among others. These weren't labor camps, they were strictly industrial killing centers. Horrific. As much as I'd love to see some of Poland's royal history and palaces, the more recent events of last century overshadow it. Even the air that one breathes in Poland has the atoms of millions of dead Jews floating in it.

A) Poland did not exterminate its Jewish population; Germany exterminated Poland's Jewish population.

B) Poland, with is borders constantly in flux between its mammoth neighbors Germany and Russia, never developed a cultural identity of international significance.

C) The cinema of Poland and the Lodz film school provided some of the most significant postwar European cinema of the 20th century.

I have F&F'ed the OP for being an idiot.

The Warsaw nightlife is very very vibrant

r1, wasn't most, if not all, of Poland's heritage destroyed in WWII?

There was so many concentration camps located in Poland because the Germans knew the local population wouldn't care. In fact, were delighted to have the Jews removed.

Antisemitism was rabid in Poland to prior to WW 2. In fact, there were pogroms in Poland as late as 1946.

Think of the beginning of Schindler's List -GOODBYE JEWS or the little girl watching the trains full of Jews go by and making a slitting neck gesture, to imagine what Polish people really thought of Jews.

It's true. Some prisoners survived Auschwitz and wound up getting killed in pogroms. The smart ones left Eastern Europe completely. There was no future for them there. I can't imagine they really needed more signs to tell them to get out.

OP, The very 1st thing the Nazis did when they conquered Poland is to round up and execute all of the authority figures, intellectuals, teachers, newspaper writers, societal leaders who might possibly have a differing opinion or level of influence.

Then they placed ads all over offering high paying jobs to young women. Their mothers were hysterical when they found out their Catholic daughters would be forced to service high quantities of Nazi soldiers. Those who got VD doing "the job" were shot. Whomever refused "the job" were sent to prison where TB was rampant. Their mothers were subject to arrest as well for their daughters disobedience to the Nazi regime. Many tried to leave the country and were caught. Only those young women who were already pregnant were allowed to go home safely.

Very few Polish survived from that generation once the Allies invaded. Then the Soviets took over.

And they lost their best and brightest when the Kanisky family from [italic]Gimme A Break![/italic] emigrated to America.

I just typed out a lengthy response to R2, but it got Posting Error #69ed. Key phrases:

Poland helped Germany

Polish pogroms

Poland's history is unending series of very tragic events. Today's Poland has far right ruling. But I've been there few times and it is beautiful country people are nice but the language is very difficult.

R9, Those who didn't help Germany did not survive. Then again only the sheep were left after those with any real brains or power were immediately shot. All the men were drafted. All the young women were forced into slavery as whores and then shot when they inevitably got VD.

The older women were starving and sick trying to care for their young children and elderly relatives. There was no school. So perhaps the sheep were too traumatized to resist and stopped thinking on their own.

I FFed R2 as well, for being an idiot and an asshole.

Poland now has a very bad pollution problem particularly around the Krakow area. What or who the fuck is polluting Europe?

R13 It's the heating very old system.

I know a lot of Gentile women prisoners in the camps became savage brutes when put in charge of the Jewesses. Their cruelty was horrific, even by today's standards.

Sometimes, when I was less-than-perfectly behaved as a child, my mother would threaten to send me to live with my Polish aunt (my father's brother married a Poless). It worked. I got good in a hurry.

A "Poless" lol

The Germans considered the entire Polish population inferior, not just the Jews. They systematically set about destroying all Polish culture and history.

Not sure what ethnicities were left after the war but they harbored anti-semitism and surviving Jews trying to return to Poland were in real danger of being killed.

I think there's only a very small community left, in Krakow or Warsaw. Crazy they stayed at all.

I've visited Poland a couple of times and I really like the place and the people. I found them friendly, honest and willing to make visitors feel welcome- which is more than I can say for the inhabitants of Prague! Whilst it's true Polish cities were badly damaged in the war, from what I've seen so far they've been restored to their former glory. I'm looking forward to going back. The tragic history with the Jews isn't hidden either; far from it, the current generation seem to be very keen to ensure that the past isn't forgotten.

Right-wing shit. Poland is a homophobic shithole. Czechia is full of willing hotties.

The Jews who went underground in Poland relied on the gentile resistance fighters in Poland to keep them alive with supplies. When the Nazi's went in they purposely decimated the entire population, gentile and Jew.

[quote] wasn't most, if not all, of Poland's heritage destroyed in WWII?

Of course not. Krakow has one of the largest preserved "old towns" in the world. Even its large Jewish district with its cemeteries and countless synagogues somehow managed to survive WWII. Warsaw, on the other hand, was completely razed during the war but the town centre was rebuilt after the war and you'd never guess everything is a replica nowadays.

My favorite Polish town is Zamosc with its magnificent town square. There are plenty of other cute towns, but unfortunately Polish people are very unfriendly and the weather mostly sucks. And don't even get me started on their awful cuisine.

Poland is an amazing country. The only reason there were so many Jews in Poland in the first place is because, in the Middle Ages and for centuries, the Polish kingdoms were tolerant and open to their presence when everyone else - except the Popes in Avignon - were expelling them. But for sure, the relationship with the Jews is ambiguous at best: some Poles died saving Jews, many others betrayed them. Like the French. Unlike the Danes. But after the Handicapped, and the Jews, the Nazis were coming for the üntermensch slavs. We forget 1.5 million of them died at the Germans' hands also. And Krakow is a beautiful city. And Chopin was Polish. And they saved Europe's ass God knows how many times - including the code breakers of WW2 and the Battle of Britain pilots of WW2 and the effective Resistance to the Communists from 1978-1989 - led by this man. We've a lot to thank the Poles for.

Some pretty sexy poles in Poland who didn't mind being bent and fucked like sluts. Czech Republic has some nice looking dudes as does Albania. Same about Bosnia though

Whatever good John Paul I did for Poland is more than lost is his complete, and total cover-up of the Catholic pedophile scandal. That he is a saint shows what a fucking joke the entire canonization process is and what a sham the entire Catholic Church is.

Not really R24. They kept getting kicked out of areas further west, and moving east to lands decimated by plague and invasion, but somewhere, probably in Silesia was a catastrophe that caused a bottleneck in the Jewish population that they are still recovering from today.

Never been there, i'd like to. But they are CRAZY catholic, like irish and italians used to be 50 years ago. Pope Wojtyla is still a superstar there, civil rights have a long way to go. I'll forever thank them for giving us Krzysztof Kieślowski, tho.

R26 He should have done more, for sure. Especially since 90% of the pedophile scandals were gay priests going after pubescent adolescents. The Catholic Church needs to get rid of its gay clergy. But what he really should have done is deposed the Bishops who moved the offenders around. But, as we're seeing in the UK: The BBC, the CofE, the Football Association, and local authorities ALL did the same blind-eye turning protect the institution response in the 1970s, 80s and even early 90s.

Those institutions you cite are not the pillars of all morality the Catholic Church claims to be, R29.

R30 Actually the Church claims to teach the truth about morality and is fully conscious that many members - in the past and in the present - have failed to live up to that standard. So I'm not surprised that the best and the worst of humanity are found in the Catholic Church.

I've never been to Poland, but I met a lot of Poles living in Berlin. They were friendlier by far than the Germans and wild partiers. I love their buffalo grass vodka, Żubrówka. Delicious with apple juice.

It belongs to Gernany and Russia.

The Germans reserved their greatest cruelty for Poland. They kicked the Polish Christians who then kicked the only people below them, the Polish Jews.

Helping Jews was punishable by death. There was no trial. You just got shot on the spot. But there are more Poles in the Righteous Gentiles section of Yad Vashem (the Israeli Shoah memorial) than any other nation.

Much of the Shoah was carried out in Poland because the Germans had occupied it since 1939 and because the Jews were already there. That's why more Polish Jews died--there were more of them and they had more time to kill them. A frequently willing local population helped too.

Prewar Poland was about 1/3 Jewish. That's roughly analogous to the Catholic population in the U.S. So imagine a war that wiped out all the Irish, Italians, French, Polish, Hungarians, Puerto Ricans, Cubans and Mexicans in America. That's what Poland lost. Many cities lost half their population.

Europe after WW 2 was a lawless place with millions of people trying to get home, find home, find their families. Many Jews returned to the places in Poland they came from in an attempt to find any family members who had survived.

There was an infamous pogrom in Kielce in 1946 where Poles killed 42 Jewish Shoah survivors (see link)

Britain did not want to let the Shoah survivors into Palestine and so they eventually made their way to Germany where they were held in DP (displaced person) camps from the middle/end of 1945 to 1948 or 49 when they immigrated to Israel or to the US, Canada, Argentina and Australia. (The movie "Exodus" is about trying to smuggle survivors into Palestine in 1947.)

Prussia was an ancient German homeland but when the maps were redrawn after WWII, it was far inside Poland. Germans there mostly left or were killed.

Gdansk in Poland was once named Danzig. Prior to WWII, it was a free city (not in Poland or Germany), though it was mostly populated by Germans. Hitler wanted a land corridor from Germany to Danzig, and didn't get it. It was one of the excuses for WWII.

Correct R35. After WW2, the Allies basically picked Poland up and moved it to the west. So the area that was eastern Poland became part of the Soviet Union and in return, the Poles got a big chunk of eastern Prussia (aka Silesia)

The population transfer necessary to make that happen was massive--millions of people, and happened at around the same time a few hundred thousand Palestinians were booted out of Israel.

It was in pretty bad shape before that OP.

Something about hundreds of years of partitioning and conquest by their neighbors tends to drag a country down a bit.

Poland's national anthem tells you all you need to know ("Poland is not yet lost") about the pervasive shittiness.

For most of time since year 0, there was no Poland.

R38 But there were Poles. And they survived. And saved Europe at least 3 times in past centuries. Just because larger more powerful neighbours prevent you from having your own independant land doesn't mean you are not a people: ask the Kurds, the Irish or the Basques...

Of course, R39. There must be someone to do the farm work and pull the carriages.

Germany owes Poland reparations.

There are many Poles living here in London now.

If I was to generalise I'd say I find them very friendly, hard working and a great pleasure to meet.

As others have already pointed out, Poland had a good/bad relationship with its Jews, as most countries did especially immediately before and during the Nazi Occupation. Also mentioned a couple of times was the Polish underground who not only smuggled Jews out of the country but also hid and cared for them when the smuggling became impossible. There is also the Polish armed forces, many of whom managed to flee and fought along side the Allies. I forget which Allied commander it was, but one of them praised the Underground, members of the Army and Navy, calling them some of the toughest fighters he had ever seen.

The world has always been pretty savage, nothing has changed.

[quote] R26 He should have done more, for sure. Especially since 90% of the pedophile scandals were gay priests going after pubescent adolescents. The Catholic Church needs to get rid of its gay clergy.

F&F R29. Homophobic asshole on a gay site.

Jews love collective blame, it's par for the course. They just hate it when they are collectively blamed themselves. Because that's TOTALLY different.

"Remember that scene in Schindler's List where the little Polish Girl said 'good-bye Jews!'?"

Lol. Remember that Jewish propaganda film by multi-billionaire Jew oligarch Steven Speilberg? Surely he wouldn't lie!

Poland had a strong cultural identity. It was a superpower for hundreds of years. Its nobility created a myth that they were descended from the Iranian Sarmatian peoples. It had the first written constitution in Europe. The Kingdom of Poland and Grand Duchy of Lithuania had 11 million people and it was the Poles under King John III Sobieski whose winged hussars broke the Turkish cavalry at Vienna in 1683 saving the Habsburg's asses.

Poland was extremely generous to, and patient with it's Jewish population for 1,000 years. In 1,000 years Israel won't even have BEGUN to show generosity or patience to the Palestinian natives.

Aaargh - the DL resident jew hater is out and about this evening.

You can smell him before he even posts.

The Sarmatian myth was intended to introduce racism into class distinctions, and could be considered an early version of the Aryan myth. The Radziwills were all up into this.

I am going to Krakow this summer. Has anyone been there?

The Polish immigrants I've known in NYC are wonderfully grim, bleak and hilarious, my favorite combination. They are always very hard workers, but do bitch about how hard they work. Still, I love Polish people, Polish food, and their wonderfully dark sensibility.

There are about one million "Traditional Polish Desserts", which also endears me to them!

The Polish people were fervently Catholic and Jew hating. It is no coincidence most extermination factories were in Poland. It is also no coincidence that the Catholic Church aided and abetted Nazi butchers to escape Europe to Catholic South America.

Everyone knows that the Ashkenazi Jews have numerous diseases of inbreeding suggesting there was a "population bottleneck" where they were isolated from other communities somewhere 600-1,000 years ago. Nobody knows where exactly this isolation took place, it isn't mentioned in the historical record, but Poland is one possibility. And why isn't it mentioned, since it was historical time and records were kept everywhere they could have been.

[quote]Everyone knows that R55 is a bigoted cunt.

Fixed.

Polish guys are hot.

R57 We're well hung too.

There were good Poles who liked and helped the Jews prior to, during, and after WW2. But the majority were known to hate them, and they had the attitude "We'll finish off what the Germans didn't." None of the returning Jews faced as bad a backlash to their return as the Polish Jews did.

Roman Polanski's story is harrowing. No wonder he was fucked up.

Oh yeah, poor Roman Polanski...

Antisemitism is rabid among second generation polish Americans.

They like the names BARBARA and MARK.

My close friend was a sweet girl named Gloria, who was Jewish. The poles asked how I could be friends with an animal who murdered Jesus.

I find Polish guys, especially Americans of Polish descent to be hot (the guys). I had a huge crush on a Polish guy I met in Germany. My gosh, I wanted him bad, but he went for my Australian friend. In college, the hottest guy in my dorm was of polish decent (2nd or 3rd generation). He was 6'2, baseball player, perfect 8 pack, blond, deep voice and lived across the hall from me. Needless to say, I made sure our morning shower schedule matched so I could catch him in his towel.

R7 post sounds like Donald Trump's 9th -grade writing assignment "What I would do if I were President"

r63 agree I have lusted after many 2nd and 3rd generations Polish Americans. Very sexy men.

r65 on my trip to Germany I also hooked up with a Russian which leads me to acknowledge that (A) I am prejudice against Russians, (B) I lusted after him because he seemed "exotic" from my American perspective, (C) I would totally do it again, because a hot guy is a hot guy, (D) he spoke very little English but we knew what each other wanted, and (E) I'm black so it made it even more interesting.

Not proud of my prejudices but I acknowledge the power propaganda has over all of us. I'm happy I got to broaden my horizons on that trip. I can only imagine how messed up Polish people would be after suffering under the Nazis and the Soviet Union.

Jews believe that Jesus is boiling in urine and semen in hell. Ever notice how miserable Jews get around Christmas-time? Or how their "atheist" criticism of religions never mention Judaism, and the Chosen Ones supremacy?

Nope, but "atheist" Jews froth at the mouth in their encyclopedic criticism of Christianity.

If you believe that Jews were perfect victims throughout history, saintly bankers, then you're not an atheist. You're just a Jew who hates Christians.

But if it weren't for the Jewish bankers, we'd have buy our own toasters.

Notice how nobody ever asks what the Jews in Poland or Germany ever did for the Gentiles? It's always a one way street. Entitled Jews expect to be rewarded for their Jewish nationalism and predatory lending, even when residing in another people's land.

Jews feel entitled to the whole world, while making sure Israel stays as Jewish as possible. Imagine a Chinese banker in Israel expecting that the Jews cater to his every whim, and live under his command, forever and ever.

At some point people just get fed up with being oppressed and dehumanized as sub-human "goyim".

Ever notice how Jews want to make all the white countries a lot more brown, but they never declare that the black or brown countries should become a lot more white?

I think Israel needs a lot more swarthy Sunni fundamentalists. Celebrate diversity you racist pigs!

Right now Israel has concentration camps where they stuff all the African refugees. And world Jewry supports Israel while Israel does this. Palestinians aren't the only victims of Jewish supremacy, they make everybody's life miserable except Jews.

Do you really think Jews didn't abuse their power in Germany and Poland?

Some of you hate-spewing cunts make me ashamed to be associated with you in any way.

What makes you, someone who much of the world reviles and would gladly put in jail or to death, such a hateful ugly piece of shit of a human?

Poland is a shithole until they lose their hatred of gays and their worship of Nazi collaborator Karol Wojtyla.

LOL the theologically challenged troll at r67.

It's true their dicks tend to me smaller but Polish guys are definitely hot AF

Not my experience, R75.

I know my way around the hole and the Poles.

Mark is a cool name.

So much stupid for one little thread.

Jews weren't the only ones killed. Why do so many people forget that?