Watching Showgirls

How is this considered camp? It's stupid, poorly written and excruciatingly boring.

[quote]Its on the part where Nomi is at the black guys apartment.

As opposed to the part when she's at the white guy with yellow skin's apartment.

Its a masterpiece compared to e Showgirls 2: Penny's from Heaven

R3 I think that was supposed to be a parody, not a true sequel.

Loved this film. Fantastic and empowering.

Saw it for the 1st time this year. Would have preferred it without the rape scene.

The 'Do you like my nails?' scene is my favourite part.

Yes, the film is too long to be considered brilliant camp. The scenes with the black man are boring and quite embarrassing. It's a wretched film with some genuinely unintentionally funny bits here and there.

[quote]It's a wretched film

How dare you.

It's a masterpiece.

She's not believable as a stripper and showgirl with that flat ass. Then again , she's probably the only actress desperate enough to go full snatch Monty in Kyle McLachlan 's face .

The best part is when Kyle fucks Jessie in the pool and she thrashes around. She deserved an Oscar for that!

Oh, and OP, you're a whore, darlin'.

[quote]Then again , she's probably the only actress desperate enough to go full snatch Monty in Kyle McLachlan 's face .

R10 you're very stupid and VERY wrong!!!

The best part is the audition scene (includes the famous "ice your nipples" moment)

[Quote] The best part is when Kyle fucks Jessie in the pool and she thrashes around. She deserved an Oscar for that!

Like a fish flopping on dry land.

I remember it more like this, R14:

R10 believe it or not, that was a much sought-after part/movie. Charlize Theron auditioned and was rejected, which she later called a blessing in disguise. But many young actresses thought that SHOWGIRLS would do for them what BASIC INSTINCT had done for Sharon Stone a few years earlier. That film was surprisingly huge at the box office (#4 of 1992) and made a movie star out of 34-year-old Stone. Verhoeven/Eszterhas, who were the toast of the town after BS, were hoping to replicate their previous success.

It's Versayce

Nomi's Kung Fu cooch flap.

R18 He got off way too easy. I also wish she'd fucked up the bodyguards.

R9 Do you recognize that actress from Orange Is The New Black ?

Is that person in the gif at R9 MTF?

there's a rape in this POS movie?

That wiggling snatch is too much. I forget, does she fuck the black guy?

I don't know what is going on in that swimming pool but it's not fucking. I always assumed he'd inserted an electric cattle prod in her pussy.

Showgirls is the best, because everybody on screen acts like it's some edgy high end Oscar feature while the audience roars with laughter at the B level dialogue and performances. That's why it's called unintentional camp.

R23 She couldn't. She had her period lol

I'm a Gold Star Gay, but that scene where Carver nibbles/sucks on Nomi's tit/nipple never fails to turn me on. I guess 'cause I think of it as two co-workers being intimate with each other and then trying to apply that logic in my own work environment. Makes it forbidden, I don't know.

R23 No. They begin to make out ,and he even fondles her bare breasts, but when he tries to go south, she stops him and tells him she's on her period.

I just can't imagine what Elisabeth Berkley was going for in that whirl pool scene. What sort of instructions did the director give her? What did he want her to convey with her trashing around like fish caught in a net?

R24 She should've taken it down a notch.

I don't know who it is, I've never seen "Orange is the New Black." , R20.

I laughed more at that actor in R30's gif than when he was the wig master on an ep. of Seinfeld.

That fat lady has some perky tits. Good for her.

Glenn Plummer is a good actor but is world class fugly!!!!

I prefer Kyle's perky ass.

[quote]Would have preferred it without the rape scene.

Black pussy!

[quote]She's not believable as a stripper and showgirl with that flat ass.

I think they wanted to make a statement by hiring Berkley. Heretofore, she'd only been known for SAVED BY THE BELL, where her character was a feminist and quite prudish. I think they liked the dynamic/challenge of turning the straight-laced 'Jessi Spano' into a whore/stripper.

It would be like casting Miley Cyrus fresh off HANNAH MONTANA (before all the weirdness and she was still thought of as a Disney kid) in a controversial, pseudo-porn.

Phenomenal dancing skills

I recall Siskel and Ebert being absolutely brutal with their review of it. Siskel was particularly vicious by essentially saying "She's a pretty girl, but can't pull off sexy stripper."

R35 why didn't McLachlan have a frontal nude scene? I know that Eszterhas had wanted Michael Douglas to sport the first erection in a mainstream movie in "Basic Instinct," but he declined. I don't think Kyle would've had any objections.

Here's the Siskel & Ebert review:

Was the dancing supposed to be sexy? Because the choreography and performances are so angry and aggressive. She doesn't want to fuck, she wants to fight.

Did Kyle show cock in Blue Velvet?

Because most theaters won't run "X" rated films but will run "NC 17" which is what "Showgirls" ended up being. It's the highest grossing "NC 17" movie of all time (or used to be).

Just for shits & giggles:

R43 I don't think so.

Titty lady is Lin Tucci she plays the loud mouth Italian lady named DeMarco on OINB.

Berkeley fucked for that role i remember reading this famous producer talking about how uninhibited and willing to do anything she was. She was a whore darlin.

R47 did no one think that looked ridiculous and NOT hot/sexy?

"Sleazo Stupido" LOL

R50 You would think so but maybe they were all on drugs.

They were straight guys who wanted to see tits and puss. I don't think they cared how stupid it looked.

Stupid on many levels.

Was physical beauty less important when this movie was made?

[quote]there's a rape in this POS movie?

No there's brutal fucking rape in this POS movie.

Don't you think the filmmakers knew that when they made it OP? STFU

If this had been made in France with French actors, it would have got multiple Cesars and a big prize at Cannes.

Are some people trying to ban fictional rapes in film and television? People were freaking out about a fake rape in Game of Thrones a while back. Are the same people trying to ban fictional murder, violence and all criminal behavior in all films and television?

R59 hasn't seen Showgirls so she doesn't know how the movie takes a totally and unexpectedly sharp dark turn to show a violent and explicit rape scene.

[quote]Berkeley fucked for that role i remember reading this famous producer talking about how uninhibited and willing to do anything she was. She was a whore darlin.

Yeah, but she ended up with a the cutest Lifshitz. She wins.

-a*

[quote]Berkeley fucked for that role

That's quite obvious

I know there was a rape scene in Showgirls, R61. My question is whether or not you are against any fictional crime being shown in movies and television or just against rapes?

Andrew Carver, ladies and gentleman!

How do you block out the fact that you fucked someone to be in Showgirls? I mean I said she lucked out in getting herself a Lauren family member, but people knowing you fucked...to get into Showgirls? Yeesh.

The brutal rape scene is what prevents it from being a true camp masterpiece.

Poor Kyle thought he was making an indie art film.

R68 they all thought they were making a masterpiece -- or at least a landmark film. That movie as so overhyped prior to release.

R64 I don't think anyone here is against (fictional) rape being depicted on screen, but that rape scene in "Showgirls" came out of nowhere and is gratuitous and brutal, on top of it all It comes off like one of those fetish videos.

Different! Places!

It was a really "anticipated" movie and whatever it took in at first, it basically flopped. But, definitely, most people thought it would do for the lead what Basic Instinct did for Sharon Stone. The most memorable part of Showgirls is Elizabeth Berkley's desperation the entire time. It's completely obvious she thinks this is IT, but since she lacks acting ability, she's compensating by being OTT.

I was getting my eyebrows done in Trump Tower years ago (thought I'd throw that in - I think it was at a Frederic Fekkai, but don't remember for sure), when Elizabeth Berkley walked in and one of the owners damn near kissed her hand like she was Queen Elizabeth II. Very obviously didn't have very much hair on her head, any more than she did in the movie. Tall, though.

BTW, Frederic Fekkai was not an expensive place to get your eyebrows done. I think I followed someone there who had been working somewhere else.

Anyhow, I remember the time well, and Berkley was kind of out of her mind with excitement over landing the part. I recall an interview where the interviewer said she was prancing around the set naked much of the time - really committed, I guess.

It was SUCH a bad movie. I knew a bunch of crew guys working on the soaps in NYC who were really looking forward to the movie but I don't think it was even beat off material.

[quote]Berkley was kind of out of her mind with excitement over landing the part. I recall an interview where the interviewer said she was prancing around the set naked much of the time

Was she singing "I'm so excited! I'm so excited! I'm so excited!"?

In Joe Eszterhas' book, "American Rhapsody," in which he discusses the writing, casting, and filming of "Showgirls," he rips apart Elizabeth Berkley (as does Gina Gershon in same book), saying EB *orally negotiated* with Verhoeven in order to win the role of "Nomi," and throughout the filming of the movie as well. Verhoeven's wife was pissed; and Eszterhas was disgusted Verhoeven *awarded* EB the role.

(Photo, below: Berkley and Verhoeven)

Berkley *taking direction* from Verhoeven during the filming of "Showgirls":

[quote] Eszterhas was disgusted

Man, you know you've hit rock bottom when you disgust him.

I'd rather watch 10 Showgirls than 1 Spiderman

Berkley perfect technique via personal direction from the film's director in "Showgirls":

An ambitious actress sleeps with the director to land the starring role in a major motion picture. I am shocked and appalled as I have never heard of such shameless behavior.

R79, I think the appalling aspect is that it wasn't even "White Chicks."

Interesting...apparently Verhoeven blames himself for the movie, not Berkeley.

I wonder what Elizabeth Berkley's career would have been like had she not done this movie. Her Saved by the Bell co-stars have worked consistently, and she could probably have done other sitcoms, at least as a Mom on a kid's show.

It surprised me how much of bomb this was. A lot of bad movies come and go, and are never talked about. Showgirls was an epic, legendary flop, and is still talked about and referenced on a regular basis.

Elizabeth Berkley has embraced Showgirls and is proud of it now. I wish Faye Dunaway would do the same with Mommie Dearest.

It was a Lonnng Road for Liz to get to a place where she finally embraced the notoriety.

Of the actors on SBTBell, Berkeley was the worst actor with zero charisma. This lack of talent was spotlighted in Showgirls. I don't think that a long, successful acting career was ever an option.

Even Screech appeared more natural on camera.

Berkeley married well and does the occasional Lifetime movie. She tried theatre for a while and she's actually cute in First Wives Club (which she made right after Showgirls). Good in small doses. Not a leading lady.

[quote]Very obviously didn't have very much hair on her head, any more than she did in the movie.

R72 huh?

I've seen porn with better plot than showgirls.

It was fascinating to see its reputation change so much. It was supposed to be a MONSTER hit before it opened, and everyone in Hollywood thought Verhoeven + Eszterhas meant that it was guaranteed to be an even bigger sexy hit than "Basic instinct." It then opened disastrously, especially given how hig expectations had run for it, and I thought I'd never hear about it again, and then there was story in the Times a few months later about how it had become a new camp classic and how Betty Buckley (of all people) was inviting every gay man she knew over to her apartment to watch it at these very raucous parties. Then suddenly it was the gay camp sensation. I remember when I first came onto Datalounge in the early 00s there would be just thread after thread where people would run memorable lines from the movie with one another ("I live having nice tits," "DIFFERENT PLACES!," and most of all, "You ARE a whore, darlin'!").

There are many things that make it memorable:

1) Elizabeth Berkeley is so bad;

2) Gina Gershon is hilarious, because she's obviously the only one in on the joke and camps it up;

3) The lines are so terrible and over-the-top;

4) It portrays women as nothing but teasing jealous bitches (as most camp classics do); and

5) "Goddess," the softcore-stage-show-within-the-movie that Cristal and Nomi are in, is so weird and unappealing. Whom would it appeal to?

R35, Damn, that is beautiful.

This is the movie I finally understood the whole "so bad it's good" thing. It's a trashy cartoon.

Say what you will about Elizabeth Berkley as an actress but shes a very pretty woman, specially now that shes older. And I say this as a gay man.

Berkley's performance is fascinating because she gives it her all and she is so serious like she is giving the performance of her life. I mean, look how she attacks those fries.

Ten years ago there was a screening in Toronto and we spent the entire screening talking back to the screen. Some people were bold. The scene near the end where Nomis visits Molly in the hospital, someone shouted "I brought you a copy of Andrew Carver's latest CD."

Horrible. But we laughed.

She's embraced it now because she married well and never needs to work again. But before the marriage, she didn't.

Kyle is 58. That delicious bubble butt is probably a thing of the past. So sad.

Butt double, folks

Verhoeven had a very interesting obsession with rape in his films. In Spetters, he even had male rape and the guy liked it and turned gay.

That's not a butt double.

Can you prove that?

There's a scene in Total Recall where Sharon Stone and Arnold have rough, aggressive sex.

Arnold says that during rehearsal, to demonstrate what he wanted from Sharon, Verhoven jumped on Arnold and stuck his tongue down his throat while kneeing him in the groin.

Kinky dude.

No butt double needed.

R87, what I meant is that Berkley had very little hair. Her hair was thin. I don't mean the actual individual strands, but the amount. Hair spray and curls gave it volume, but you can practically see scalp on her in patches, and it was even more pronounced when I saw her in person. Now that she's rich, maybe she has hair plugs or a weave.

R89 and R94, that's exactly how it played out w/Showgirls. Everybody expected a monster hit. There was an audience waiting for it - huge event movies were hot at the time (such as Titanic). A huge event movie that was also dirty and had stripping seemed to be can't miss. But it was TERRIBLE. What really sells it as a cartoon is how Elizabeth Berkley isn't in on the joke, attacks EVERY line she has in the movie, every movement, and even her fries. She's such a bad actress anyhow, but her idea of giving her all to what she thought was a career making role was just to LUNGE into everything she did.

[quote]saying EB *orally negotiated* with Verhoeven in order to win the role of "Nomi," and throughout the filming of the movie as well. Verhoeven's wife was pissed; and Eszterhas was disgusted Verhoeven *awarded* EB the role.

Very 'European'

Americans don't understand this. It's ALL about art

Well i've seen worse lol

Maybe I'm remembering wrong but wasn't there some sort of audition for the strippers that "Nomi" treated as if she were auditioning for a lead in a Broadway show? Ridiculously serious.

What was Cristal Connors supposed to be before she did "Goddess"? A pop star? An actress?

[Quote] Ridiculously serious.

You just summed up the entire movie.

After enduring nearly two decades of reality TV/Internet fame-whores, whose end-game is just to be famous, at any cost, it's not unbelievable that Nomi would think of being a Vegas stripper as the ultimate goal, especially if a person is from a podunk, backwater village where Vegas/Hollywood still have an aura of glamor. Some people have different priorities. For example, Bonnie and Clyde's crime spree was driven out of a desire for fame. Most people wouldn't think that being a renowned (albeit hunted) criminal is anything to aspire to.

R97 seriously? McLachlan never shied from nudity, especially when he was younger. Hell, in SEX AND THE CITY he had several nude scenes. Plus, you can tell it's him (and not just by the butt).

We're led to believe that Crystal Connors was on broadway so think Joan Diener in GODDESS

r109, don't apply real world logic to Showgirls. In Showgirls world, Vegas topless dancing is an A List celebrity environment.

Yeah, with fabulous afterparties and everything!

"We could have had Paula Abdul! Janet Jackson! But we chose Nomi Malone instead!"

I was just about to post that R114 lol...Nomi Malone is what Las Vegas is all about!

PAULA ABDUHL IN MY SHOW?

R112 touché.

Great discussion here.

Is Showgirls coming to ComicCon soon?

I think it's horrible that Verhoeven is always putting rapes in his films.

That's not art, that's a crime.

I knew a woman in the early 1990s who started off doing porn mag spreads in the mid 80s, then went into soft core modeling, then hardcore porn and eventually landed in Vegas as a stripped. No one cared that she did porn and she was treated like a star earning at the time $10k a week dancing not including tips and escorting. For certain women at that time becoming a Vegas showgirl was the ultimate goal to achieve.

[Quote] For certain women at that time becoming a Vegas showgirl was the ultimate goal to achieve.

I guess there could be worse goals to have.

Just watched First Wives Club. Berkeley's hair was so fucking thin. Surprised she didn't wear a wig.

What do you guys mean by 'thin hair'? That she has a broad forehead (i.e., receding hairline)? Many women get that from using extensions or wearing very tight braids/hairdos. It's called traction alopecia.

I've actually never watched the real version of Showgirls but I did once catch a few minutes when it was broadcast on vh-1 or mtv. I loved the Roger Rabbit bras they had added.

When Verhoeven subjects better actresses (Carice Van Houten, Isabelle Huppert) to sexual degradation in foreign languages, it's ART!

Yeah, if SHOWGIRLS were in, say, French people would be saying it's a masterpiece of some sort.

This was hilarious!

You can sum the stupidity up in one moment. The entire movie when she introduces herself she makes a point of saying "naomi...it's italian.." Then she cannot pronounce Versace right? jesus.

R129 maybe she'd never seen the word in print, only heard it?

tsk tsk, it's Nomi not Naomi ;)

I think even though it flopped at the box office it still earned more than $100 million on home video

First of all, it's Polly. And she's from Oakland and had a hard upbringing. Cut her some slack.

r126, that is such a good point.

No it's not.

Grotesque, vulgar, terribly acted, hillarious, and more honest than we care to admit.

Glenn Plummer is too ugly.

R136 for what?

What did Gershon have to say about Berkeley?

Also, in Vegas, there are a lot of women who aspire to be a topless "showgirl." It's instant fame and money.

R139, that's ridiculous. First the money is shit. Second, there is only one show doing topless and that's Crazy Girls, which is a low level show. Jubilee was the last holdout from the other era and that closed. Third, no one gets fame. If they aspire to anything in Vegas, it would be a Cirque show.

Would a Cirque show hire strippers? Aren't they all trained acrobats and circus folk?

The money is shit? Oh, you're insane! You're not thinking about the money they get for escorting.

R141, that's the point. I think if a stripper aspires to something in Vegas, it's to get to the top clubs.

That's hilarious R125

Haha, the infamous 'cartoon bras' as my friends and I called it. I believe it was VH1's Movies that Rock.

The editing for the basic cable version actually works for the movie. We don't have to sit through the heinous rape scene. Favorite line: Molly has just been beaten and raped and is laying in her bed unconscious. Doctor: She has a broken nose and some vaginal damage. She should be able to go home in a few days. Exit.

r130 so you are saying she heard the name but when she actually saw it in print she pronoucned it ver sayice? that would make her slow...as in short bus slow.

R147 to be fair, Versace doesn't look like how it's pronounced. To a white trash hick like Nomi, it would be spelled Vursatchi or some nonsense. So 'Versace' wouldn't register.

r148 except she made of point of telling everyone she was italian...

I believe 'Malone' is an Irish surname.

I just saw this movie again last night, and the more I watch it, the more I love it. Yes, it's not a good movie, but it's just a silly, trashy popcorn flick and I don't think it ever pretended to be anything other than that.

Regarding the rape scene, I absolutely hate, hate, hate what happens to Molly and yes, it kills the "fun" of the movie.

But there was actually a point to it. The point is, all these bitches kept screwing each other over to get to the top, seeing each other as the enemy. But it's the guys running the show who are the real enemy. They sexually objectify these women, expect sexual favors, even feel entitled to rape them. They also have an old boy's club, where if one of them brutally rapes and almost kills a woman, they stick up for each other and tell the victims to shut up about it. Molly's rape is what makes Nomi finally wake up and see that she was wasting all her energy hating Cristal and seeing her as a threat when it was the guys who were the threat.

R151 Agree with everything you said.

R151, agreed and it is one thing Showgirls has on all those "star is born" type movies. Seriously.

I always find that scene between Nomi and Crystal in the hospital near the end of the movie very moving. It's like Sharon Tate's suicide scene in VOD. Just sort of catches you off guard because, up until then, the movie is pure camp.

I thought Jessie Spano OD'd on NoDoze while lip syncing the Pointers Sisters.

Verhoeven said it perfectly: he wanted to make a very vulgar, aggresivly unpleasant movie about a very vulgar, aggresivly unpleasant world. He knew exactly what he was doing, every american movie of his is a big fuck you to the american dream. I live his movies, he's a provocateur and god knows se need them.

*love* his movies and *we* need. jesus, sorry.

Verhoeven wanted to do European cinema in an American setting with American actors and it did not go over well, because the actors were not able to really do European style cinema performances. The whole movie turned into a bad softcore Afterschool special where the female lead realizes at the end that there is more to life than being an aspirational Las Vegas showgirl.

But that's what makes it so great and enjoyable. A true camp classic.

I love every frame of Showgirls and agree that Nomi’s sharknado style sex in the pool is one of the best parts. Another one being her being toasted by the very best of the best Vegas Royalty at a party in her honour while she stands near naked in front of several thousand people.

The Libby Waxman-Gelner column in Premiere used to be written (I think), by a writer named Paul Rudnick (who I LOVE. If you’re reading this, I love your work). His review of Showgirls was one of the only things I’ve read that made me laugh till my eyes watered.

[Quote] every american movie of his is a big fuck you to the american dream. I live his movies, he's a provocateur and god knows se need them.

I don't hate it but did we really need a Hollow Man?

Watching this for the first time right now ... so far it seems to be equal parts [italic]All About Eve, Singin' in the Rain,[/italic] and [italic]Female Trouble.[/italic]

BROWN RICE AND VEGETABLES

"What's an MBA?"

"It must be weird not havin' anybody cum on ya."

It's Versayce!

r88 I've seen porn with better acting than Showgirls.

[quote]Berkeley fucked for that role i remember reading this famous producer talking about how uninhibited and willing to do anything she was.

And then she went on to play that exact girl in First Wives Club.

The sex scene in the pool was ridiculous, Nomi looked like she was have a stroke!

R168 don't lie! This is the sexiest thing you've ever seen.

If they do a reboot, Jason Mamao?/Aquaman can play Andrew Carver. He's a dead ringer.

R170 Despite that rape comment he made, i really don't want to see Momoa act out that scene.

It's a terrible movie but I never got why people said the "Versayce" thing was such a howler, because she's SUPPOSED to look stupid and laughable, and she does. That's the point of the scene. Yes, she's a rotten actress, but the scene at least succeeds in what it was attempting, as opposed to about 80% of the rest of the film.

I’ve only seen the movie once, but Nomi made me really nervous. Like it was hard to watch because I didn’t know what she’d pull next.

[Quote] Like it was hard to watch because I didn’t know what she’d pull next.

That's probably what they were going for.

Maybe it was the curly hair, but I thought Nomi was mixed or I should say like Ariana Grande,ethnically ambiguous.

She is not Nomi, and she is not Italian. She made everything up. She made up that HER MOTHER was Italian. So yeah her last name could've been Malone. Ugh I've watched this movie too many times.

Do not feel one bit sorry for Berkley and the shit show this film is, as her 'leading lady' launch, and what it did to her 'film career.' She pursued / effed the film's director for the best dialogue, the best scenes, the best wardrobe, the best camera angles, the best story line, etc. In turn, he'd used her undeniable stupidity in the pursuit of such.

"If they do a reboot, Jason Mamao?/Aquaman can play Andrew Carver. He's a dead ringer. "

No. It's not believable that a showgirl could beat the crap out of Jason Momoa, even if she caught him off guard at a vulnerable moment. Carver should be played by some weedy twerp.

Dreadful movie, I still can't figure out what the filmmakers were trying to do. Nomi is such an unlikeable bitch, why were we supposed to take an interest in her again?

Eszterhas was furious Verhoeven cast (slutty) Berkley in the part of his character "Nomi Malone."

(Eszterhas' new wife, Naomi Malone MacDonald Eszterhas, was his inspiration for the lead character, that is until Verhoeven got a hold of the script.)

Trivia: Bill MacDonald, "Basic Instinct" producer, left his wife, Naomi Malone MacDonald, for Sharon Stone during the filming of "Basic Instinct." In turn, Eszterhas left his wife of 20 years for the former Naomi Malone MacDonald.)

have to agree that no strip club would hire someone with an ass as flat as a pancake.

i always liked this movie. And after going through the best movies of 2018 thread, I don't know how anybody can say this had bad acting(its not good, but I cant even sit through half these movies in the past decade). Now time to watch the simpsons roasting on an open fire!

R180 in the 90s It was not considered sexy to have a big @$$

^^ She has a wide, FLAT ass; not to be confused with a big ass.

[quote]This is the sexiest thing you've ever seen.

More like someone convulsing with an episde of St. Vitus Dance (Sydenham's chorea)!

Everyone I know laughs at that scene. It's absurd and there's nothing sexy or hot about it.

I wonder what direction Verhoeven gave Berkley and MacLachlan? You are a dolphin caught in a fishing net?

Had the exact same movie been directed by Brian de Palma, it would've been released by Criterion on blu-ray in some special director's cut edition, with a commentary, etc. And I still think it deserves to be in the Criterion Collection.

R185

[quote]The Libby Waxman-Gelner column in Premiere used to be written (I think), by a writer named Paul Rudnick (who I LOVE. If you’re reading this, I love your work). His review of Showgirls was one of the only things I’ve read that made me laugh till my eyes watered.

r159, yes, he is hilarious. I think he also wrote the Adams Family movies.

Madonna and Drew Barrymore were considered for the roles of Crystal and Nomi, believe it or not. Drew Barrymore as a stripper? Hell no. Madonna acting "ironically" the way Gershon does? HELL NO.

R189 Drew playing a stripper isn't that farfetched.

You ever hear Caesar sing? You'll love it.

Nomi was always be remembered as a horse faced , nasty cooched tramp. She is immortal now !

r25, true camp, or "Pure Camp", is always unintentional. At least according to Susan Sontag in her seminal essay "Notes On 'Camp'":

[quote]One must distinguish between naïve and deliberate Camp. Pure Camp is always naive. Camp which knows itself to be Camp ("camping") is usually less satisfying . . . . The pure examples of Camp are unintentional; they are dead serious.

Jesse was clearly giving it her all in this role lol

You ate the chips!!!

Chill! (Nomi whips out her switch blade on the Elvis wanna be)

Kyle Mac’s butt makes it worthwhile.

God, those neon palm tress!