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Debra Winger's career-making reject pile

Taxi Driver, The Accused, The Silence of the Lambs, The Blue Lagoon, Arthur, Splash, The Terminator, Crimes of the Heart, Peggy Sue Got Married, Nuts, Bull Durham, The Music Box, Pretty Woman, Ghost, Thelma & Louise, A League of Their Own, Basic Instinct, This Boy's Life, Sleepless in Seattle, When a Man Loves a Woman, Speed, To Die For

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by Anonymousreply 150February 29, 2020 3:56 AM

Well at least she got to punch AnnE.

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by Anonymousreply 1December 11, 2016 6:33 AM

She would have been good in "Thelma and Louise" and "A League of Their Own"

by Anonymousreply 2December 11, 2016 6:34 AM

I definitely would have preferred her in League of Their Own. I like Geena Davis but I never bought her as a gritty, down in the dirt ballplayer. Thelma and Louise and Terminator are the only other two I would have preferred her over the actress who actually played the part. Some of them would have been totally wrong for her. Bull Durham? Nah.

by Anonymousreply 3December 11, 2016 6:37 AM

In 1987 alone she turned down two Best actress nominated roles (Broadcast News, Fatal Attraction) and one also ran (Nuts).

by Anonymousreply 4December 11, 2016 6:37 AM

Shirley MacLaine's quote about her "turbulent brilliance" was a very good way to put it.

by Anonymousreply 5December 11, 2016 6:38 AM

Did anyone see Searching for Debra Winger? I loved her interview at the end. I wish she had a more active career throughout the years. I loved her in Eulogy...although I'm probably the only one!

by Anonymousreply 6December 11, 2016 6:40 AM

I saw it r6. It was interesting but I felt the premise was misleading. They wanted to make her disappearance about the plight of aging actresses in Hollywood BUT age was the least of Debra Winger's problems. She alienated everyone long before she got older.

by Anonymousreply 7December 11, 2016 6:44 AM

[quote]Did anyone see Searching for Debra Winger?

Yes, lots of women whining about how terrible the movie men are in Hollywood.

I kept thinking "Make your own fucking movies!"

by Anonymousreply 8December 11, 2016 6:44 AM

R8, see that thing waaaaay over there trying to get your attention? It's reality.

That's the same thing as saying, "Why do we have to have laws requiring businesses to not discriminate against gays in hiring? Gays should just open their own fucking businesses!" Pull your head out of your ass.

by Anonymousreply 9December 11, 2016 6:49 AM

Rosanna Arquette is hilarious talking about reporters approaching her to say her how great her sister is.

At the end in Cannes, the interviewer asking her if there's anything she'd like to say to Patricia to be broadcast on their TV show.

Rosanna says, "If there's anything I want to tell my sister, I would just...tell her."

by Anonymousreply 10December 11, 2016 6:49 AM

r9-angry actress

by Anonymousreply 11December 11, 2016 6:51 AM

[quote]That's the same thing as saying, "Why do we have to have laws requiring businesses to not discriminate against gays in hiring? Gays should just open their own fucking businesses!"

Not at all.

by Anonymousreply 12December 11, 2016 6:54 AM

Now I want to kill myself, OP.

by Anonymousreply 13December 11, 2016 6:55 AM

[quote] Pull your head out of your ass.

& next time, try to make your point with swearing and aggressively insulting.

by Anonymousreply 14December 11, 2016 6:56 AM

sorry ...withOUT swearing and insulting.

by Anonymousreply 15December 11, 2016 6:57 AM

Why was she offered so many role She? She wasn't that great an actress

by Anonymousreply 16December 11, 2016 6:59 AM

I like Debra's scrappiness, and have enjoyed some of her film appearances, but she's created a mythology about herself that exceeds any performance she's ever given. The sentimental narrative that she was a major artiste held back by the patriarchy or the system or what-have-you... well, it's won out over the reality that she was a major diva and pain in the ass who was frequently disliked by her colleagues. FWIW.

I don't believe for a minute that she was offered all of these roles and turned them down. More likely, her name was thrown into the mix, discussed, and TPTB decided to "go in a different direction."

BASIC INSTINCT? It's dreadful soft-core porn; nonetheless, Verhoeven and Esterhaz wouldn't have given her a second look. BLUE LAGOON? It's to laugh. She may have tested for it, or merely looked at the script, but she never would have been seriously considered for that role. PRETTY WOMAN? Again, getting a look at the script does not equal "turning down the role."

There are too many actors dining out on this myth of turning work down, when the reality is that it is now, and has always been a buyer's, not a seller's, market for onscreen talent.

by Anonymousreply 17December 11, 2016 7:26 AM

Debra Winger could portray a more believable prostitute than Julia Roberts

by Anonymousreply 18December 11, 2016 7:31 AM

I remember an interview where she was asked about roles she had turned down, but she wouldn't comment on any movie in particular, saying it was a pointless question. Some roles are declined by an actor's agent, without the actor every knowing about the offer, for lots of reasons, including availability.

by Anonymousreply 19December 11, 2016 7:36 AM

She nabbed the coveted role of Wonder Girl running around jiggling in a bodice and booty shorts with Lynda Carter, so she has gotten the ingenue roles.

by Anonymousreply 20December 11, 2016 7:36 AM

I also turned down all the films at op due to my True Blood commitments.

by Anonymousreply 21December 11, 2016 7:38 AM

Speed sucked but Debra might have been funny in it.

by Anonymousreply 22December 11, 2016 7:56 AM

She was long done by then r22.

by Anonymousreply 23December 11, 2016 7:59 AM

R20 is joking but that's actually one of the things she's remembered for.

by Anonymousreply 24December 11, 2016 9:27 AM

THank god she didn't get Broadcast News. Holly Hunter was perfect as the driven, brittle, perfectionist TV news producer.

by Anonymousreply 25December 11, 2016 9:43 AM

She wasn't offered Broadcast News. Could have sworn it was one of the 80s movies she was offered.

by Anonymousreply 26December 11, 2016 9:52 AM

She didn't turn down Broadcast News - the role was hers, but she bailed a few weeks before filming began because she was pregnant. Holly Hunter was a last-minute fill-in, which is probably the only reason why such an unknown got a shot at the part.

And I agree, r25 - even though the part was specifically written for Winger, Holly Hunter was perfection.

by Anonymousreply 27December 11, 2016 9:56 AM

I can see her in Silence of the Lambs. Foster seemed in over her head. And her southern accent grates.

by Anonymousreply 28December 11, 2016 10:04 AM

Holy Shit, that's a ton of hits she turned down. I'm surprised she didn't kill herself circa 1990.

by Anonymousreply 29December 11, 2016 12:50 PM

Does anyone know which bridge she's living under?

by Anonymousreply 30December 11, 2016 12:54 PM

Wonder Woman was a huge hit during its original run when there were three nationally broadcast channels.

The casting process must have been extensive, and any unknown actress would have been thrilled to be cast as Wonder Girl.

by Anonymousreply 31December 11, 2016 4:46 PM

R28 Clarice was supposed to still be just a green, uncertain, twentysomething FBI trainee. (She finally graduates at the end.) Jodie had just turned 27 that month when LAMBS began shooting in November 1989; Winger was already 34 by then and turned 35 two months after filming ended in March 1990.

by Anonymousreply 32June 22, 2017 6:32 PM

Isn't there some story where she was wearing some big skirt on the set of "Terms of Endearment," walked right over to Shirley McLaine, lifted up her skirt, and farted in Shirley's face?

by Anonymousreply 33June 22, 2017 6:52 PM

Hated Broadcast News and the Holly Hunter character.

by Anonymousreply 34June 22, 2017 6:56 PM

I really liked Winger in the final season of In Treatment.

by Anonymousreply 35June 22, 2017 7:25 PM

I thought Holly Hunter was Debra winger!?

by Anonymousreply 36June 22, 2017 7:29 PM

I also don't believe she was offered taxi driver. She took a league of their own but bailed right before production was to start because penny Marshall cast madonna. Penny said Debra was a pain in the ass and a cunt.

by Anonymousreply 37June 22, 2017 7:31 PM

Debra and Lori Petty would have been great as rivaling sisters.

by Anonymousreply 38June 22, 2017 8:24 PM

R37 I wonder if Winger regretted her decision? The film ended up being a big hit. It was one of the top ten movies, domestically, and #19 worldwide.

by Anonymousreply 39June 22, 2017 8:30 PM

And she sent and said yes to that Black Widow movie?

Who was advising her during this period? Her coke dealer?

by Anonymousreply 40June 22, 2017 8:34 PM

What a lot of people don't realize is that when an actress or actor has a list of all the roles they rejected, it doesn't necessarily mean they would have ended up with any of those parts. All it means is that when the project was in pre-production, they were considered. What considered means is that someone associated with the project, (producer, casting director, etc.) might have called the agent, or even sent a script - (an early draft) - to see if the client had any interest. Often this is done without the director's knowledge. It could be rejected for a variety of reasons, most often it's rejected because of un-availability.. So years later when the movie has come out and the actress cast has won an Oscar, it's easy for said actress to say, "Oh, I was offered and rejected that", or "my agent rejected that".

Of all those movies listed, there were only three I know of that she was in serious contention for: Thelma, League, and Peggy Sue. Meaning, she might have gotten those if she really wanted them at the time. As for Basic Instinct, it was offered to just about everybody. No one would touch it. The closest was Geena Davis who came this close to signing before finally rejecting. Sharon Stone fought for it knowing nobody else wanted to do it. She was relatively unknown to the general public at that time.

by Anonymousreply 41June 22, 2017 8:37 PM

R40 don't forget A DANGEROUS WOMAN, where she went full retard. That was to be an Oscar contender, but alas nothing came of it. The movie was a huge flop, too, only earning $1.5 million in total.

by Anonymousreply 42June 22, 2017 8:39 PM

What's amusingly ironic is despite all the "turbulent briliance", the prestige projects, the on set artistic conflicts, the awards, the accolades, the commitment to "the work" and the struggle of being a SERIOUS actress interested in doing only the most MEANINGFUL and IMPORTANT films in a male dominated, sexist, profit driven industry....50 years from now Debra Winger will be most most remembered for THIS:

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by Anonymousreply 43June 22, 2017 8:45 PM

Who is this?

I always confuse her with Margot Kidder.

by Anonymousreply 44June 22, 2017 8:50 PM

[quote]Did anyone see Searching for Debra Winger?

Don't be fooled, she's still a huge cunt.

by Anonymousreply 45June 22, 2017 8:52 PM

I don't have much respect for Winger. Of course, "the system" is imperfect. But instead of using her considerable talent and influence to help make working conditions better for herself and her fellow actors, she bitches and moans. What princess.

by Anonymousreply 46June 22, 2017 9:47 PM

Interesting actress, very talented and I've always liked her work. She kept them all dancing on a string for quite a few years and they eventually tired of it. They'll only chase someone who says "No" to them for so long and then they move on.

by Anonymousreply 47June 22, 2017 10:03 PM

Yeah the list of roles actors "turned down" is never quite what you think it is. Maybe their name was brought up, but they were busy or had other commitments at the time.

by Anonymousreply 48June 22, 2017 10:05 PM

R48 let me introduce you to R41

by Anonymousreply 49June 22, 2017 10:25 PM

Martin Scorsese said that Debra did audition for the prostitute role when Melanie Griffith declined because of Tippi Hedren's objection.

by Anonymousreply 50June 22, 2017 11:21 PM

Watch me in the prestige Ashton kutcher red state douche pandering sitcom THE RANCH dl cunts!!

by Anonymousreply 51June 22, 2017 11:33 PM

I loved her as a child when she played Wonder Girl!

by Anonymousreply 52June 22, 2017 11:40 PM

I get her confused with Sean Young.

by Anonymousreply 53June 22, 2017 11:40 PM

i like holly hunter but the way she talks drives me nuts.....kind of lispish or something.

by Anonymousreply 54June 22, 2017 11:40 PM

Another thread correctly said that she had great physical similarities to other actresses of the era, i.e. Kidder, Karen Allen, Brooke Adams, Jessica Harper, Kathleen Quinlan etc. They didn't just look alike, they also sounded alike. If she'd done more than Saturday Night Fever, Karen Lynn Gorney would have been in there as well. I'm sure Winger turned down that role as well, right?

by Anonymousreply 55June 22, 2017 11:53 PM

Winger turned down everything. She was 'The Girl Who Always Says No' for quite a while.

by Anonymousreply 56June 23, 2017 12:00 AM

She's got quite big tits.

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by Anonymousreply 57June 23, 2017 12:01 AM

R18 I think she would have made a more convincing prostitute in NUTS than Barbara Streisand did.

by Anonymousreply 58June 23, 2017 12:06 AM

She was also supposed to play sandy in grease.

by Anonymousreply 59June 23, 2017 1:28 AM

She also turned down the role of Mary Todd Lincoln in LINCOLN.

by Anonymousreply 60June 23, 2017 5:28 PM

Karen Gorney was okay in Saturday Night Fever, but I think Debra would have put a lot into the role. She had a good 70s look during the Urban Cowboy days.

by Anonymousreply 61June 23, 2017 7:43 PM

Watching her punch AnnE is the gift that keeps on giving.

by Anonymousreply 62June 23, 2017 7:45 PM

Sissy Spacek was actually offered Urban Cowboy first. After she turned it down Debra fought hard for that part. One of the few times she actually fought tooth and nail for a role.

by Anonymousreply 63June 23, 2017 7:49 PM

She's actually still doing good work in that Netflix sitcom The Ranch. Understated and credible, and has a nice chemistry with Sam Elliott in their scenes together.

by Anonymousreply 64June 23, 2017 7:49 PM

r58 - Alice Pearce would have been more convincing as a prostitute in NUTS than Babs. To be fair, The NUTS role is a higher end call girl. Babs was only believable (and quite good) as a low rent hooker.

by Anonymousreply 65June 23, 2017 7:53 PM

Are high-price call girls all good-looking, or is it a myth like streetwalkers looking like 21-year-old Julia Roberts. Like that's reality.

by Anonymousreply 66June 23, 2017 7:56 PM

Debra Winger talks with Barbara Walters

Ar 3:50 into video about being "difficult" at the height of her career

At 8:19 into video she talks about the ABUSE, insensitive treatment and lack of respect she received on the set

At 10:00 she talks about the "flesh" under her fingernails working with Shirley Maclaine and they did NOT get along. And it was a rough experience.

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by Anonymousreply 67June 23, 2017 7:58 PM

Debra Winger was seen as the next big thing in the 1980's and for awhile she was. But her loud mouth and abrasive manners got in the way and by the 1990's rolled around she was on the way out. A good actress who self-destructed.

by Anonymousreply 68June 23, 2017 8:46 PM

When Debra Winger was going with politician Bob Kerrey during the filming of Terms Of Endearment the townsmen in the area referred to her as LC - Low Class. She was rude and obnoxious.

by Anonymousreply 69June 23, 2017 8:50 PM

That was bizarre when she had a public relationship with Bob Kerry, and then all of a sudden marries Timothy Hutton.

by Anonymousreply 70June 23, 2017 10:39 PM

R70 what happened there?

by Anonymousreply 71June 24, 2017 12:29 AM

I love her, she's one of the fab natural American actors, like Jeff Bridges. Never self-conscious or actorly, too technical. Or cerebral. She walks in front of the camera and just is. Truly effortless.

by Anonymousreply 72June 24, 2017 12:41 AM

"And just is"

Exactly. I've thought that too.

by Anonymousreply 73June 24, 2017 1:16 AM

She woukd have made Pretty Woman much grittier, and paired her again with Richard Gere

by Anonymousreply 74July 8, 2017 9:54 PM

She also turned down the role of E.T. in "E.T."

by Anonymousreply 75July 8, 2017 9:59 PM

R74 - Pretty Woman was VERY different back when it was called 3000. Jennifer Jason Leigh was offered the role at that time as well. It ended with Edward kicking her out of a limo onto the street and driving away.

by Anonymousreply 76July 8, 2017 10:06 PM

R74 - Forgot to mention that Debra Winger has been very vocal about how much she hates Richard Gere after crying her way through their sex scenes in An Officer and A Gentleman.

by Anonymousreply 77July 8, 2017 10:07 PM

Who would she have played in Crimes of the Heart? I think the sisters were very well cast as they were.

by Anonymousreply 78July 8, 2017 10:15 PM

Debra Winger and Meryl Streep were the two most talented women film actors but their careers took two very different paths. Winger herself has admitted she could not see it at the time, she was not very well adjusted, and she squandered her chance at bigger fame. She had drug and mental health issues ad burned a lot of bridges. That Rosanna Arquette film is insufferable - a bunch of whiny actresses

by Anonymousreply 79July 8, 2017 10:15 PM

R77 why did she cry?

by Anonymousreply 80July 8, 2017 10:19 PM

Great clip of Winger being honest

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by Anonymousreply 81July 8, 2017 10:20 PM

The producers gave her speed to lose weight during Officer and a Gentleman

by Anonymousreply 82July 9, 2017 6:18 AM

R77 why was she crying through the sex scenes? What did he do to make her hate him that much?

by Anonymousreply 83July 9, 2017 6:47 AM

R83 I don't know what he did to her. I do remember Dianne Lane saying he slapped her while making the Cotton Club. I got the impression he was rough with his co stars back then. Probably to much coke.

by Anonymousreply 84July 9, 2017 4:58 PM

It's kind of funny but If I knew nothing at all about Debra Winger except for the Barbra Walters interview at R67, I would have said what a cool and interesting woman she was. She actually comes across very well in the interview (except that you can tell she's a bit..."complicated", but so are plenty of male actors). I know there's a lot more to her reputation for being difficult, just saying that it's actually a pretty good interview.

by Anonymousreply 85July 9, 2017 5:46 PM

I don't think Gere hit her. I think he just disliked and ignored her, and did not help her. I think she was a major cokehead and this is not really attributed to a lot of her difficulties.

by Anonymousreply 86July 9, 2017 5:53 PM

If Debra Winger hadn't become an actress, do you think she would be working in Human Resources?

by Anonymousreply 87July 9, 2017 6:02 PM

Mess

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by Anonymousreply 88July 9, 2017 6:12 PM

Shirley owes her Oscar to Debra.

by Anonymousreply 89July 9, 2017 10:27 PM

What a ridiculous thing to say, R89.

by Anonymousreply 90July 9, 2017 10:36 PM

She's a good actress in front of the camera, but everything I've read has said she was such an exceptional headache that no one who worked with her once wanted to work with her again. She was just too much of an asshole.

She got the career in the end she richly deserved.

by Anonymousreply 91July 9, 2017 10:41 PM

I loved Debra Winger but she always blamed other people for her problems. Being difficult is not an asset. You either work out your problems or you quit. Many people work on a movie and need to just do their jobs in order for it to be successful. The Arquette documentary leaves out that she crashed off the A-list and burned all her bridges.

by Anonymousreply 92July 9, 2017 10:52 PM

Debra Winger was a very good actress but she shot off her mouth about nearly every movie she made. When she made Legal Eagles with Robert Redford she stated that it looked as though it had been edited with a chainsaw. Ouch! And the list goes on...........

by Anonymousreply 93July 9, 2017 10:55 PM

She left A League of Their Own after telling Penny Marshall that hiring Madonna would be like making an Elvis movie.

It is another movie she probably would have made better since Geena Davis was not that good or believable.

by Anonymousreply 94July 9, 2017 11:08 PM

I think Shirley was more deserving of the Oscar in Terms of Endearment

by Anonymousreply 95July 13, 2017 6:09 AM

[quote] I like Geena Davis but I never bought her as a gritty, down in the dirt ballplayer.

Geena is the only modern actress that comes to mind who made a serious attempt to earn a spot on the US Olympic Team. I wish youtube had the clip of when she displayed for Letterman her archery skills on the streets of New York.

[quote] In July 1999, Davis was one of 300 women who vied for a semifinals berth in the U.S. Olympic archery team, to participate in the Sydney 2000 Summer Olympics. She placed 24th of 300 and did not qualify for the team, but participated as a wild-card entry in the Sydney International Golden Arrow competition.

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by Anonymousreply 96July 13, 2017 6:36 AM

Still liked her best in An Officer and a Gentleman

by Anonymousreply 97July 16, 2017 4:01 AM

Madonna could run and throw and catch. And Lindy the house down.

by Anonymousreply 98July 16, 2017 5:50 AM

Madonna said that playing baseball and making it look like natural was difficult for her since she was never interested in sports. But her dancing scene is the best part of the movie.

by Anonymousreply 99July 16, 2017 5:59 AM

[quote]She left A League of Their Own after telling Penny Marshall that hiring Madonna would be like making an Elvis movie.

Well, that shows how lousy her judgement is.

Debra Winger would have been miscast as"Dottie "who is supposed to be a beautiful, aloof Alpha female. Debra would have been perfect for "Kit".....had she been 10 years younger.

Debra was good at playing plain Jane little sisters to gorgeous women.

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by Anonymousreply 100July 16, 2017 6:16 AM

Madonna trashed Debra's performance in 1990's The Sheltering Sky so it was no surprise Debra did not want to work with her.

by Anonymousreply 101July 16, 2017 6:31 AM

I'm surprised that with all the Winger threads there have been and how DL is known for having a bit of an anti Semitic reputation, that it's never been mentioned how such a Jewish looking girl achieved such mainstream stardom, and that's without her looks ever becoming a talking point the way Streisand's were etc. she played very middle American parts , which for an overtly Jewish actress was quite a breakthrough, actually,

by Anonymousreply 102July 16, 2017 9:48 AM

R102 I also believe that she was miscast in Betrayed because her Jewish looks made her unbelievable as a woman who could pass undercover amongst a group of white supremacist Jew haters.

by Anonymousreply 103July 16, 2017 2:04 PM

[quote]Well, that shows how lousy her judgement is.

No shit. Unlike a lot of sports movie, LEAGUE was well-received by most critics, was one of the top ten grossing films of the year, got Davis a Golden Globe nom, and in 2012 was selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry by the Library of Congress as being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant".

by Anonymousreply 104July 16, 2017 2:35 PM

R101 was her performance really bad, or was that just Madonna being catty?

by Anonymousreply 105July 16, 2017 2:38 PM

r105 at the time, Madonna was obsessed with Paul Bowles' book and when she saw the film adaptation, she didn't like it or Winger's performance.

I don't think the performance is bad but that book is hard to translate to the screen.

by Anonymousreply 106July 16, 2017 3:17 PM

The only thing I remember about The Sheltering Sky is John Malkovich's cock as he walked into the camera.

by Anonymousreply 107July 17, 2017 2:51 AM

I agree R89

by Anonymousreply 108September 26, 2017 3:07 PM

Anthony hopkins and debra winger would both possibly have an extra oscar nominations in their careers if remains of the day a dangerous woman and shadowlands didn't come out the the same year. Imagine if Debra had done all the roles she rejected that would have been an afi worthy actreas by now whether she had retired in 95 or not. I know she was difficult but is also talented as fuck, having undeniable authencity to the roles she did. Saw her recently on the lovers she was fantastic. Not all ppl hated working with her as she got along well with ppl like hopkins berenger attenborough Travolta bertulucci etc

by Anonymousreply 109September 26, 2017 3:17 PM

If only the National Film Registry actually preserved film. They just recommend it. Sigh.

I still think Winger and Streep were the best screen actors of the 80's. Too bad Debra had issues

by Anonymousreply 110September 26, 2017 3:32 PM

[quote]It is another movie she probably would have made better since Geena Davis was not that good or believable

I disagree. The problem is, Dottie is supposed to be likable and the audience is supposed to relate and root for her. Nothing about Debra is any of those things.

by Anonymousreply 111September 26, 2017 6:10 PM

I find it hard to believe that Debra was even considered for most of those projects. She was known for being difficult and wasn't that big of a name by the late 80's to warrant being considered, let alone being offered, for most of those roles.

by Anonymousreply 112September 26, 2017 6:11 PM

I agree that she's full of bullshit and was not really offered most of those roles. At best she was sent a copy of the script with a note that said, "You might want to consider auditioning."

I knew she was over back in 1984 when she appeared on "60 Minutes" and talked at great length about how much she loathed Richard Gere and how much contempt she held for Shirley Maclaine. Both Gere and Maclaine are narcissistic idiots, but you just don't tell tales like that out of school. Who wants to work with someone whom they know is just going to stab them in the back? her career was pretty much done by then, and it's been her own fault.

by Anonymousreply 113September 26, 2017 6:17 PM

Gary Morton called her about every one of those roles--in some cases, from beyond the grave--and wisely talked her out of them.

by Anonymousreply 114September 26, 2017 6:18 PM

It's pretty telling that it seems like nobody has anything nice to say about her and that she trash talks everyone she's ever worked with. At some point, when everyone is always a problem... I don't know, you have to figure maybe YOU'RE the issue. I mean, she bitched about Lynda Carter who by all accounts is innocuous.

I really wonder if her Agent just told her she was being considered for a lot of this stuff to make her feel better OR if they were given the script with the intention of her auditioning for a smaller role and she just assumed (or is lying) that it was for the lead.

by Anonymousreply 115September 26, 2017 6:22 PM

Debra Winger would have been 20 or 21 when Taxi Driver was filmed. No way she could have passed for a 12 year old, which Jodie Foster's character was? Foster looked the part and was perfect in it.

by Anonymousreply 116September 26, 2017 6:42 PM

R112 Her most well-known movies and Oscar nominations were in the early to mid-80s.

by Anonymousreply 117September 27, 2017 12:00 AM

In Debra Winger's reject pile, has anyone mentioned Timothy Hutton?

by Anonymousreply 118September 27, 2017 12:14 AM

R116 Foster was also 12. She as born in November 1962. The movie was filmed in the summer of 1975. It was released in February 1976, three months after her 13th birthday. She was nominated for Supporting Actress in February 1977, three months after turning 14. That's why people wrongly assume that she was that age (or older) when she made the film.

by Anonymousreply 119September 27, 2017 12:18 AM

[quote]If only the National Film Registry actually preserved film. They just recommend it. Sigh.

?????

by Anonymousreply 120September 27, 2017 12:23 AM

She played younger than her age in the 70s.

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by Anonymousreply 121September 27, 2017 12:33 AM

R115 there were loads who had nice things to say about her and wanted to work with her. PPl like Rafaelson james bridges james l Brooks Tom Berenger Bernardo bertulucci Anthony Hopkins Billy Crystal Jonathan Demme Richard Attenborough. She has said she also got along well with Robert Redford contrary to other reports

by Anonymousreply 122September 27, 2017 10:23 AM

R117 she was still having a decent run in the 90's before her retirement in 1995. She was oscar nominated for shadowlands which is one of attenborough's best and golden glove nominated for dangerous woman in the same year. She should asked for those pictures to be released at different years as both are oscar calibre performance and right now she would have been 4 time nominee. Also how the hell did she not even get a golden globe nod for Rachel getting married.

by Anonymousreply 123September 27, 2017 10:33 AM

I wonder how many would have been better movies with her in them

by Anonymousreply 124October 13, 2018 3:33 AM

I read an interesting article like 10 years ago that interviewed one of her agents during that 80's period. And people forget that Urban Cowboy, An Officer and a Gentlemen, and Terms of Endearment were all basically back to back releases year by year, and all huge hits. All 3 of them. And she was the leading actress in all 3.

The agent had what seems like that list of films, saying she had turned them all down, it wasn't her saying it. And yes, several of them were offers that she said no to directly. She didn't really consider the film. But she was the first offer out. That's very much how the casting of major films goes in Hollywood still, but especially did it work that way back then. He also talked about her leaving, I think it was CAA, completely, and just having a lawyer as her agent from then on. A major mistake really.

The 80's were almost the last full decade when the majority of films that studios were making were for adults. Debra Winger was the right star at that time in Hollywood. She was truly a film star. Unique in her way for the time. She had more to offer than those 70's actresses like Karen Allen, Brooke Adams, etc. She was fun. Quirky. Sexy. A great voice. She seemed very real and completely unpredictable in a great way.

Bette Davis told Barbara Walters that Winger was the only actress who could carry forth her mantle. And I get what Bette Davis meant by that. She was crazy and wildly talented, but a very strong individual. And a pain in the ass. It's too bad she got in her own way. Terms of Endearment is gold. All the performances. But she anchors the film in a really special way.

by Anonymousreply 125October 13, 2018 12:39 PM

I would argue that in Urban Cowboy and An Officer and a Gentleman Winger played supporting roles. About Terms of Endearment I would have to count up MacLaine's number of scenes with hers to judge but again I suspect that it is a supporting role. Thus I think Winger's first real leading role was in Mike's Murder.

by Anonymousreply 126October 13, 2018 12:46 PM

One of favorite unknown films is Mike’s Murder, she was very good in that.

Is she still officially retired from acting?

by Anonymousreply 127October 13, 2018 1:07 PM

[quote] About Terms of Endearment I would have to count up MacLaine's number of scenes with hers to judge but again I suspect that it is a supporting role.

NO. No, no, no, no, no.

by Anonymousreply 128October 13, 2018 1:16 PM

R63 Sissy Spacek was also first choice for Terms of Endearment but dropped out as she has just given birth, thereby being replaced by Winger (again).

In 2000/2000 Premier magazine did an interview with Winger. They asked if there we any roles she would liked to have played since her absence from the screen (about 1993/94 onwards). Winger basically said most of the roles were crap and the only three she would have liked to have played (she wasn't offered any of them by the way) we Fargo (Frances McDormand), The Ice Storm (Sigourney Weaver) & The Straight Story (Sissy Spacek).

by Anonymousreply 129October 13, 2018 1:44 PM

She was more of a personality than an actress

by Anonymousreply 130October 13, 2018 3:05 PM

130 Sure, Jan

by Anonymousreply 131October 13, 2018 3:48 PM

She had a bit of Brando about her. Can you imagine an actress nowadays not going to the Oscars when nominated for Best Actress? And it was her first nomination. But she said she couldn’t do it for *that* film, Officer, because she’d had such a miserable time making it. Not just anybody does that.

She was also in one of the most beloved films of the 1980s, Terms of Endearment. So she rode that out for a while.

But she could make any film that she wanted because people always knew she’d be interesting in it - I don’t recall thinking she was ever bad in anything.

She probably mismanaged her career but it was all on her anyway. If Debra Winger had wanted a bigger career she could’ve had it, she could’ve played the game. But that’s not who she is. I’m sure she enjoys what she’s doing now. I don’t think it was about scale for her.

I was surprised she didn’t get more attention for the Demme film - it was obviously seen, since Hathaway was nominated for Best Actress. But I think she’d also made it pretty clear by then that she wasn’t interested in Hollywood. She’s the ultimate outsider.

I think she would’ve been great in League of Her Own as she could always find the humor in things and would’ve been a believable ball player. Those same qualities Davis rated in her would’ve played well in that period. Oh well.

by Anonymousreply 132October 13, 2018 4:32 PM

Actually she had to be dragged to the Oscar's for her Terms of Endearment nomination. I think her chaperone was one of the heads of Paramount.

By the time of her Shadowlands nominated she had toned it down.

Speaking of Marlon Brando, she was actually going to star with him in a film in the early 1990s and they started filming but it was shut down due to lack of funding. A big shame as it would have been interesting to see Brando & Winger on the screen together.

by Anonymousreply 133October 13, 2018 4:37 PM

What an idiot! She dug her own career's grave and hopped right in. Hope she saved and invested well, or not, who cares.

by Anonymousreply 134October 13, 2018 4:44 PM

I like Winger, but wow, did she not look ridiculous in the baby sister getup in WONDER WOMAN?

by Anonymousreply 135October 13, 2018 5:07 PM

She looked so freaking fug. Gorgeous Wonder Woman's sister? Puhleeze

by Anonymousreply 136October 13, 2018 5:10 PM

I vetoed all of the prettier actresses who auditioned.

by Anonymousreply 137October 13, 2018 5:14 PM

No mention of Black Widow (1987) where she fucks Theresa Russell in a pool.

by Anonymousreply 138October 13, 2018 6:01 PM

R132 I love what your comparison to Brando. That's great. She was a complete maverick just like he was. I also agree that she is one of the most interesting actresses Hollywood has ever seen. Again, just like Brando.

R126 Though Winger's roles in Urban Cowboy and An Officer and a Gentlemen were supporting the male lead's story, she was still the female lead, as it were, in both of those films. Rarely is a film about both the male and female lead in total equal measure.

Is Silence of the Lambs Clarice's story with Hannibal supporting and (forgive the pun) fleshing it out? Or is Hannibal pulling all the strings from above for Clarice? Which is why his presence is hovering above throughout the film, and so strong for both the audience and Clarice even when he's not there making him the lead of the film? They both are the lead to me supporting each other. Even with the vast difference of screen time between them. And they both deserved and earned the leading female and male academy award that year, I feel.

Again, Shirley MacLaine was brilliant in Terms of Endearment. And completely earned her oscar. (As she reminded us when she picked it up that night.) But arguably it is Emma's story. She is the one we follow through the film and through life. From her birth to childhood to teenager to marriage to mother to adult to death. MacLaine story starts with emma's birth and in many ways doesn't go all that much further, though she ages. And I don't mean that as a criticism. Far from it. This dynamic between the 2 stories, characters and actresses makes the film so incredible, and ultimately so real and important. They support each other as leads. Like many mothers and daughters in life end up doing. Which is why it struck such a cord of truth for audiences.

Again, I would have voted for MacLaine for best actress as well. No question. But I don't think of Winger as a supporting character in that piece at all. Nicholson is a supporting character. The best ever. But not Winger to me at all. And I don't think that kind of distinction can or should be measured by how many scenes an actor is in versus another actor. It's like counting lines or something as well. And I feel there's more art involved, and it's bigger than that.

by Anonymousreply 139October 14, 2018 10:30 AM

The Brando film was also to star Johnny Depp and called Divine Rapture and shot in Ireland. There is still an IMDb entry for it.

by Anonymousreply 140October 14, 2018 11:35 AM

Here's a trailer for it.

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by Anonymousreply 141October 14, 2018 12:10 PM

R34, I, too, hate "Broadcast News" and Holly Hunter because of her part in it. But those who like the movie should check out the BBC series "The Hour". It's based on the same premise, but Albert Brooks' character is played by Ben Whishaw, who steals the show. Hunter's part went to Romola Garai, William Hurt's to Dominic West: much better casting all around. P.S. Can't stand Debra Winger and her Jewish look.

by Anonymousreply 142October 14, 2018 4:18 PM

I'd love to know what it was like behind the scenes on the set of Terms of Endearment.

by Anonymousreply 143August 11, 2019 1:48 AM

Bitch is crazy.

by Anonymousreply 144August 11, 2019 1:53 AM

[quote]DL is known for having a bit of an anti Semitic reputation, that it's never been mentioned how such a Jewish looking girl achieved such mainstream stardom...

Well....now that you mention it, Winger looks like every plain, not pretty-faced Jewish girl I've ever met. She's even more peasant-faced (not a bad thing, just common) than Jerry Seinfeld's [italic]nafka[/italic] wife.

by Anonymousreply 145August 11, 2019 3:01 AM

R142 must be an Anglophile.

by Anonymousreply 146August 15, 2019 6:28 PM

[Quote] Lynda Carter who by all accounts is innocuous.

By Lyle Waggoner's account?

by Anonymousreply 147August 15, 2019 7:17 PM

She's gifted, but she's an annoying asshole.

I don't see why anyone would want to work with someone, male or female, who is an annoying asshole.

by Anonymousreply 148August 15, 2019 7:21 PM

I don't believe her for a second in that Alec Baldwin interview when she says she wanted to meet the guy who painted the sets - even as an offhand hypothetical, it felt phony.

by Anonymousreply 149August 15, 2019 7:23 PM

She would have been the best for the role in League of Their Own

by Anonymousreply 150February 29, 2020 3:56 AM
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