Why Did Rhoda's Mom Live In The Bronx In The 70s

Depends where in The Bronx.

Do you actually know anything about The Bronx? Have you ever been there?

The Bronx is probably bigger than where OP lives.

Of course the Op doesn't know R2

Ida Morgenstern developed an insatiable taste for BBC.

And she knew where to find it.

Even though most of the Italians moved away years ago, Arthur Ave. is still Little Italy.

So is South Bronx poor and North Bronx wealthier? Because North Bronx is getting near Westchester co., which I've heard is pretty wealthy.

Yes r7. Parts of the Bronx are nice, Riverdale, Woodlawn, Throgs Neck, City Island.

Because all the white people hadn't left yet OP

She was, IIRC, supposed to have lived in an area called The Grand Concourse which had been a middle class to upper middle class Jewish neighborhood in its day and had not totally deteriorated by the time Rhoda was shot. As in young families were not moving in but older couples were not moving out.

And as R8 mentions, Riverdale in particular is quite posh, with most homes in the Fieldston section going for well over $1M

"Just repeat to yourself, 'It's just a show, I should really just relax.'"

Ida Morgenstern is one of my favorite fictional characters ever.

where did Brenda and Rhoda live?

Their neighborhood must be pretty bad. Carlton is always dealing with criminals and such.

Didn't the Costanzas live there in the '90s? Or were they in Queens?

they were in Yonkers r13.

Ida's not the only one who craved BBC.

Why was Jo living in the Bronx in the 80s and it was OK?

Not all of riverdale is posh and it certainly wasn't in the 70s. Plenty of Jews lived there, and still do.

[bold]The Bronx is making a comeback![/bold]

"The poorest borough in New York is shaking off the embers of the 1970s, when arson was so rife that "The Bronx is burning" became a catch phrase. The South Bronx has been rebranded as "SoBro," featuring sushi bars, lofts and boutique hotels attracting European tourists."

"... [C]rime has plummeted, with only 95 homicides last year compared with 653 in 1990. More than 16,000 housing units are under construction, half of them subsidized. Mayor Bill de Blasio plans to create a 73-block swath of housing, shops, offices and schools along a stretch of Jerome Avenue served by the subway, a project that could change the way New Yorkers view the Bronx."

Move on up, Dataloungers, and enjoy what the Bronx has to offer!

R9 The Grand Concourse was very upscale for decades, esp the area around Fordham Rd (near Fordham Univ).

When they built Co-Op City, further east in the Bronx, many of the GCs older Jews moved there. The GC then turned slummy & crime ridden.

Unfortunately, Co Op City is now a vertical slum. Its basically a housing project.

R8 Add Country Club, Morris Park, Edgewater & Pelham Bay to that list. For the most part, anyway

Fieldston has homes far in excess of $1M. Some above $3M

Rhoda was shot?

R20 I think the brain cancer killed her first.

I believe Rhoada and Brenda lived at 332 West 64th Street. Not really sure if that's Hell's Kitchen or Upper West Side, but I don't think that area was good in the 1970s from what I've heard. (I was still in diapers during Rhoda and 150 miles away from that neighborhood.)

[quote]but I don't think that area was good in the 1970s from what I've heard.

It had to better than living under the East River.

Maybe she lived in the Villa Charlotte Brontë, a fabulous address then and now.

Where are your from, Rhoda?

Guess.

Brooklyn?

Why does Manhattan never occur to anyone?

R13 the Bunkers lived in Astoria Queens

Sorry R13 the Cortanzas lived in Queens. Not sure what neighborhood.

I don't think so r27. When that Janis girl from Friends played Elaine's friend and Elaine tried to fix him up with George, George was living at home with his parents in Yonkers.

I met her once - very down-to-earth. Absolutely not pretentions or interested in show biz - but very proud of her daughter of course ...

Who r29?

R28 I just Googled it and it said that they lived in Kew Gardens Queens

r31 oh well I googled it and it said they lived in Flushing.

I'm guessing that the references in the earlier episodes don't match up hence the Yonkers episode. Plus Yonkers was a funny word for the Janis from Friends actress to say.

Sort of like how Rhoda had a sister Debbie in the early MTM shows.

r30 - pay attention ..

No, r33: you're wrong, and he's right.

You could mean Nancy Walker or Valerie Harper.

Take responsibility for your posting--don't be a little cunt.

r34 = twit

r34 - don't be jealous - it's not becoming

Hey OP, it was a TV show. These people aren't real. It was Nancy Walker who lived in Hollywood.

r37 - thanks a lot for that - and thanking you in advance for any other really great posts !!

What happened to Rhoda's brother Arnold? He was mentioned a few times.

he went gay

R39 Or her sister, Debbie, who actually appeared on MTM.

Da Bronks am boyning

Another question - how did Mary afford all those designer clothes on her $75 per week Associate Producer salary?

Did she shoplift?

Escort on her time off from WJM?

And where was Rhoda's bathroom in that one-room purple studio with the mannequin and the love beads in the doorway?

Her "apartment" was the size of a closet - no wonder she was always down at Mary's spacious apartment with the lovely views.

Even pushy Phyllis couldn't have gotten away with renting that dump as an apartment.

[quote]I believe Rhoda and Brenda lived at 332 West 64th Street. Not really sure if that's Hell's Kitchen or Upper West Side, but I don't think that area was good in the 1970s from what I've heard.

The Upper West Side begins at 59th Street, so that's where Rhoda and Brenda lived. The zip code was 10023. I lived on the 300 block of W. 75th beginning in 1975, right near Riverside Drive. In those days, Riverside started at 72nd Street. Now there's this Riverside Blvd thing in the W. 60s, but it wasn't there then. Anyway, I loved the neighborhood. Great shopping, even better sex opportunities.

And I'm almost certain the Costanzas lived in Queens.

When did George and Jerry start hanging out together? Were they both from Queens?

Why wouldn't she live here?

Or here?

[quote]and had not totally deteriorated by the time Rhoda was shot.

Rhoda was shot??!

r49

Well what do you expect when someone is running around NYC in wedding dress and on the subway in it.

I guess we should be thankful she wasn't in her blue jeans

r46

Yes they did, except for one episode, so they could have a joke about Yonkers

r43

According to Ted, her clothes were all reversible.

I think one-ep Debbie was morphed into the more interesting and funny Brenda. Unless there was ever any mention of her having two sisters. I didn't know about a brother. Brenda as the Rhoda before picture made sense for the show, so they forgot about other siblings.

Rhoda's husband was one hunk.

Marrying a hunk should've been saved for the final episode. That was her happy ending, and there was nowhere (funny) to go from there.

Despite playing two of the most identifiably Jewish characters on TV, neither Valerie Harper nor Nancy Walker was Jewish.

естественно, икра. . . .

R56 Do tell.

[quote]I didn't know about a brother.

Rhoda mentioned him a few times and so did Ida. He went to live with Chuck Cunningham.

Both George and Elaine had siblings you never really heard about other than in passing

That's shameful that they would deny work to Jewish actors. They couldn't get a break!

I bet Rhoda and her mom would be Trump supporters

Where did Ann Marie live?

r62

I bet they're celebrating tonight

Ann Marie lived in Manhattan. In Ann's time an apartment like hers, 1 bedroom, decent size, nice building and neighborhood could be had for about $125.00 a month. What couldn't be had was her huge wardrobe. Especially since her paychecks were sporadic.

In 1970 I had a friend who got a nice 1 bedroom half a block from CPW in the low 70s for $145.00. It was a walk-up but he only lived on the second floor. I had another who had a 1 bedroom also close to CPW and paid $115. It was a walk-up and after first having to walk up a huge flight of steps just to get into the building you had to climb up 5 more flights to get to his apartment. Even the young and healthy pretty much needed oxygen by the time they got up there. Needless to say most of us stopped visiting him after a while.

[quote]What couldn't be had was her huge wardrobe. Especially since her paychecks were sporadic.

You're forgetting about her call girl income.

[quote]I had another who had a 1 bedroom also close to CPW and paid $115. It was a walk-up and after first having to walk up a huge flight of steps just to get into the building you had to climb up 5 more flights to get to his apartment. Even the young and healthy pretty much needed oxygen by the time they got up there. Needless to say most of us stopped visiting him after a while.

Sounds like "Barefoot in the Park."

Was Rhoda a gang banger? Is that why she wore a bandana?

R11 too bad Angela Petrillo is one of my least favorite characters ever.

There's no such person, R69.

Even in the 90s, there were still sizable Jewish communities near Montefiore. If the Morgensterns lived in Riverdale, we would have been told they lived in Riverdale, which is pretty separate from the rest of the Bronx. More likely the far North Bronx--near Montefiore or in Co-op City.

I would have lived at any address Joe had.

Riverdale? Did they live near the Andrewses?

Bronx was a hole in the 70s.

R73 or R74, why did you bump both Rhoda's Mom threads at the same time? In one thread you bumped it by saying it was a duplicate thread. You knew it was a duplicate because you bumped them both.

It’s so weird to me that people would think the Bronx, either today or back in the 1970s, would be all one thing. All poor or all rich, all ghetto or all suburban. The Bronx, if it were an independent city, would be the 6th or 7th largest by population in the US. That means the Bronx has a larger population than all of these cities: San Francisco, Austin, Charlotte, San Diego, Dallas, Indianapolis, Fort Worth, and San José. But no one would ever question why a given tv character would be living in any of those cities based on income or economic class. Of course they wouldn’t, because cities that large are pretty damn diverse. It’s as if some people on here learned all they know about the Bronx from watching the movie Fort Apache.