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“Transitional Bisexuality”: Why Some Gay Men First Come Out As Bisexual

On one episode of the TV series Sex and the City, Carrie Bradshaw discovers that the guy she's currently seeing had dated both men and women in the past. Clearly uncomfortable with the thought of taking things any further with him, she confides to her friends: “You know, I did the ‘date a bisexual guy’ thing in college, but in the end they all ended up with men…I’m not even sure bisexuality exists. I think it’s just a layover on the way to gaytown.”

Carrie expressed a belief that a lot of folks in the real world hold, too—that all bisexual men are secretly gay and just aren’t quite ready to come out yet. This idea that all bisexual men are gays in disguise is, like Sex and the City, pure fiction (see here and here for scientific evidence that bisexuality is a distinct sexual orientation); however, it turns out that there is some truth to the idea that bisexuality sometimes serves as a transitional identity.

In this study, researchers recruited men who currently identified as gay via Facebook and Grindr. In total, 58 participants (most of whom were White and aged 26 on average) completed an online survey about their sexual attitudes and history. Thirty-six of these participants also went on to complete a lab study in which their genital arousal patterns were recorded while they watched different kinds of pornography.

What the researchers found was that nearly half (48.3%) of the participants had identified as bisexual at a previous point in time. Of those who had done so, most (60.7%) said they had sex with a woman before, too; by contrast, among those who did not previously identify as bisexual, just 6.7% reported having had sex with a woman.

When asked about their reasons for previously identifying as bisexual, the two most commonly endorsed reasons were that it was easier to think of oneself as bisexual than as completely gay (60.7%) and that others might have an easier time accepting oneself as bisexual instead of completely gay (67.9%).

Less commonly endorsed reasons included: wanting a future with a wife and children (21.4%), being sexually attracted to both sexes (21.4%), and having previously masturbated thinking of both sexes (17.9%). Note that participants could select more than one of these reasons.

Consistent with these findings, the vast majority (82.1%) of men who had previously identified as bisexual reported that they did not currently believe themselves to have been bisexual in the past.

The other particularly interesting finding from this paper came from the genital arousal portion of the study. Men who previously identified as bisexual did not demonstrate higher levels of genital arousal or self-reported sexual arousal in response to woman-on-woman porn compared to men who had never identified as bisexual. In other words, those who had identified as bisexual in the past did not currently show any evidence of heightened sexual attraction to women.

For one thing, these results suggest that male transitional bisexuality is common and that it seems to be more about coming to terms with one’s own gay identity than it is about actually being bisexual. The fact that this is so common is probably what has given rise to the popular stereotype that male bisexuality is just “a layover on the way to gaytown.”

For another, these findings also suggest that a history of bisexual identification among gay men isn’t necessarily evidence of sexual fluidity because most of the men who adopt this temporary identity don’t actually have bisexual feelings. Scientists studying sexual fluidity therefore need to be mindful of the fact that transitional bisexuality exists.

On a side note, I should mention that the study discussed above didn’t just look at transitional bisexuality—it also explored the differences between completely gay men (those who score 6 on the Kinsey Scale) and mostly gay men (those who score 5), which is interesting in its own right. However, I think that might merit its own separate post, so stay tuned.

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by Anonymousreply 39January 18, 2020 12:52 AM

It has been my observation from experience that "bisexual" men are often socially involved with women, either dating or married, but like to have sex with men on the sly. I've only heard of a couple of instances where a man already involved with another man, either dating or married, was having sex with women on the sly, but those are very rare. Often, a man involved with another man will leave him for a woman, if only to be more socially acceptable, then, after a time, want to be with that man again, on the sly.

In our culture, men are often conflicted about living up to standards. So many, who are capable of it, cultivate relationships with women for show, and enjoy sex with men on the side. Too common. And, should it ever be widely publicized, many careers, in all sorts of areas, would end.

by Anonymousreply 1September 21, 2016 2:38 PM

A "Sex and the City" reference. How timely.

by Anonymousreply 2September 21, 2016 2:41 PM

R1 is correct. We've had many bisexual threads here on DL, and the "bisexuals" always try to refute people like r1. But the fact is that bisexual people ALWAYS settle down with the opposite gender. A lot of gay men have been hurt by bisexual guys. One of my good friends who I've only known for about 4 years claims he was bisexual (he came out a few years before we met), but I have yet to see him actually date or even have a one night stand with a dude.

And don't get me started on my girlfriends who claim to be bisexual. They always are in relationships with men. Always.

Bisexual is an outdated, old-fashioned term, so now everyone is "pansexual," "queer" or "genderfluid." Whatever they call themselves to be cool, they always wind up treating gay people like shit.

So fuck them. Gay men, never date bisexuals. Ever. Please, take this advice.

by Anonymousreply 3September 21, 2016 2:48 PM

[quote]But the fact is that bisexual people ALWAYS settle down with the opposite gender.

I am bisexual and have been with my male partner for over 15 years. We own our home, and adopted our son together.

I'm sorry, but people who claim to know what is ALWAYS the case with other human beings need to be refuted, even if only by an exception proving a general rule.

You're an obnoxious bigot, r3.

by Anonymousreply 4September 21, 2016 2:51 PM

Different people have different ideas of bisexuality and how some can claim to be bisexual.

The problem usually is that one declares himself bisexual and another says "no, you are not and here are the very valid reasons why I am certain you cannot be bisexual ...".

Some people are threatened by the word gay, because they were raised to believe that (being) gay is bad, very bad. Some believe that bisexuality is less threatening and some even attach it to a bohemian, artistic, non-conforming lifestyle. Some are threated by the word bisexual because they went through a lot for being labeled as gay or defining themselves as gay and they see it almost as a personal insult when others define themselves in any other way than gay when they admit to having same sex experiences.

by Anonymousreply 5September 21, 2016 2:54 PM

Oh clam up r3. So you're an exception. Answer me this, can you really tell me honestly that a majority of bisexual men choose other men as partners?

As I stated, we've had many threads about bisexuals, and my opinion is not the minority.

by Anonymousreply 6September 21, 2016 2:59 PM

[quote] Answer me this, can you really tell me honestly that a majority of bisexual men choose other men as partners?

I'm unaware of any studies on this particular question but I'd be willing to bet that yes, if you surveyed *openly bisexual* men you would find that a majority of them have dated men. All the shit talking about bisexual men relies heavily on the actions of men who identify as straight but also have sex with men. So, yeah, it's not surprising at all that guys who identify as straight end up choosing women as partners. But you know what, those guys are also not trying to date gay men so it's irrational and self-defeating to refuse to date openly bisexual men because guys who identify as straight but fuck men are dogs. These are two very different groups of men.

I personally wouldn't try dating a closeted bisexual, but that's because I'm too old to put up with closet cases, it's not a specific rejection of bisexuals.

by Anonymousreply 7September 21, 2016 3:17 PM

I've long believed this. I realize it's a bold statement and will offend a lot of people, but I don't think bisexuality is real.

by Anonymousreply 8September 21, 2016 3:28 PM

Almost half of men calling themselves gay once called themselves bisexual, but really weren't, even if they had sex with women or were attracted to some women, or masturbated thinking about women and the study confirms that they are no more attracted to lesbian porn than men who have always thought of themselves as gay (which, however, does not mean they are not at all attracted). So naturally these men will disbelieve anyone who calls himself bisexual since their own experience is that attraction to women was a fleeting and weak thing that happened when they were kids.

The sample size was too small, age needs to be a factor in any study, and they need to do the same thing for men who call themselves "bisexual" and "straight." I think we'd find men's arousal patterns don't differ as much as they like to think, and that a really large segement of "straight" men would have no arousal to lesbian porn.

by Anonymousreply 9September 21, 2016 3:34 PM

No wonder the bis are all becoming trans.

by Anonymousreply 10September 21, 2016 3:40 PM

[quote]As I stated, we've had many threads about bisexuals, and my opinion is not the minority.

Fuck you very much, r6. I should think that this particular election season might've taught you that opinions are not facts, no matter how many people hold them, but I suppose you're above learning what you don't want to know. What a "majority of bisexual men" do is of no concern to me; I was refuting your bigoted statement that it is a FACT that ALL bisexual men behave in a particular way. I'm sorry if you find that inconvenient: perhaps you should pay more attention to the way you express yourself, if you feel you're being misunderstood. It's not always someone else failing to hear you correctly.

You're still an obnoxious bigot, and your self-righteous waspishness suggests a nascent frau.

by Anonymousreply 11September 21, 2016 3:45 PM

[quote] I'm unaware of any studies on this particular question

There's a survey by a Yougov which found that, in the UK, 3% of bi men were in relationships with men at the time of the survey and 50% were with women. In the US, the Pew Center found that 16% of bis in a committed relationship with the same-sex, and 84% with the opposite. Pew didn't break down the bi group by sex, though, so we don't know what the percentages would be like for bi men in specific. But if Yougov's results are any indication the percentage of bi men in same-sex relationships should be even lower than that of bi women.

In any case, except for R9, you people are not making any comments on the study per se, just giving your opinion on bisexuality. The study idn't on bisexuality, but on gay men who used to identify as bi.

by Anonymousreply 12September 21, 2016 3:46 PM

[quote] So naturally these men will disbelieve anyone who calls himself bisexual since their own experience is that attraction to women was a fleeting and weak thing that happened when they were kids.

The study didn't ask their samples what they think about bisexuality.

[quote] I think we'd find men's arousal patterns don't differ as much as they like to think, and that a really large segement of "straight" men would have no arousal to lesbian porn.

Um, there've already been plenty of studies on that subject. Straight men react to lesbian porn the same they do to straight porn. If they didn't, they're likely to be gay and in the closet, but this subgroup is by no means a "large segment" of straight men in these studies.

Oh and men's arousal patterns differ a lot a lot a lot by sexual orientation. Gay men's penises get rock hard when watching gay porn, get moderately large when exposed to straight movies, but drop dead when they watch a lesbian film. Straight men are more or less the opposite, with the exception that they react about equally to straight and lesbian films, as said above, and they do react a bit to gay porn.

by Anonymousreply 13September 21, 2016 3:52 PM

He's just a boy but he's a bottom

Make him try to top, he'll cry

Never even said he's bi...

by Anonymousreply 14September 21, 2016 4:06 PM

r12, I specified "openly bisexual." The Yougov survey you reference was plainly not measuring that:

[quote]Clearly, these figures are not measures of active bisexuality - overall, 89% of the population describes themselves as heterosexual - but putting yourself at level 1 allows for the possibility of homosexual feelings and experiences.

I'm not sure why you expect a thorough discussion of the survey results in the OP, which can be summarized as "Duh."

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by Anonymousreply 15September 21, 2016 4:41 PM

R15 That was not the study I was referencing and I - and you - have no idea about the levels of outness of anyone in that study.

by Anonymousreply 16September 21, 2016 4:46 PM

Please do provide a link to the study you are referencing so that I may explain to you in detail how your recitation of those stats is misleading and non-responsive to my point.

by Anonymousreply 17September 21, 2016 5:04 PM

"I have no idea which study you're talking about but I already have made my mind about it and everything it found, and I know that that, by sheer coincidence, they confirm every single one of my preconceived opinions."

by Anonymousreply 18September 21, 2016 5:44 PM

Sure, hop into bed, but NEVER fall in love with a bisexual man.

by Anonymousreply 19September 21, 2016 5:48 PM

Carrie could have saved that guy!

by Anonymousreply 20September 21, 2016 5:50 PM

I've thought just the opposite, that for men bisexuality is, quote, a way station en route to full time residence on Weinerville, and true bisexuality--3/4 on the Kinsey scale for those who are familiar--is less common in men than women in general. Maybe because men tend to be less ambiguous, either/or in all things compared with women.

However, since no one can really tell what's in someone's mind and there's no way to get a really accurate head count of homosexuals, I wouldn't claim "most" of any group behaves a certain way or lives a certain lifestyle. I imagine lingering homophobia and the fact that heterosexual outnumber us by 9 to 1 at least raises the odds that a bi ends up in a het marriage by quite a bit.

Anti-bi hostility in the gay community or the endless debate to define the exact cutoff is probably a contributing factor. If you've already been through the process of coming out and probably had your sexuality questioned by straight people-- "are you sure?" "A lot of people go through this phase/experiment," etc.---I imagine the thought of getting it from the other end is equally unappealing so many of them keep it to themselves.

It wouldn't surprise me if bi's outnumber gays (including female ones), 5/6 on the scale many times over and are just hiding in plain sight.

by Anonymousreply 21September 21, 2016 6:16 PM

r18, the fact that you won't link to your source is one of the main reasons I have a high degree of confidence that if you actually did link to it I would have an easy time distinguishing it. I went looking for it based on the info you provided precisely because I was interested in seeing more details (regardless of whether or not they fit my preconceived notions), the survey I linked was the only YouGov result on the first two pages. I've made a good faith effort to figure out what you're talking about, and you continue to obfuscate.

by Anonymousreply 22September 21, 2016 7:00 PM

Less ambiguous? No. Men beat off every day for at least half their lives so whatever preference they have (as opposed to orientation) quickly becomes dominant and controlling.

by Anonymousreply 23September 21, 2016 7:34 PM

R22 Has anyone ever told you you're incredibly obnoxious and punch-worth?

If you're going to approach all surveys, even those you haven't seen about, with a set of preconceived ideas, and then force those surveys to fit those ideas, as is clear you're doing, then I'm not sure I'm interested in hearing your opinions, which of course are totally predictable - you want to convince yourself that bi men settle down with men and you are going to debunk all data that show otherwise, I get it. But OK, here it is, the Yougov survey which you couldn't find in the "last two pages" because not all research on sexual orientation has been performed in the last couple years.

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by Anonymousreply 24September 22, 2016 11:58 AM

[quote]male bisexuality is just “a layover on the way to gaytown.”

Perfectly said.

by Anonymousreply 25September 22, 2016 12:17 PM

Denying and dissing self-identified bisexuality is as disrespectful as rejection of gayness. Everyone is the expert on their own sexuality unless proven otherwise. Men who get off on fantasizing about sex with men and sex with women are bi no matter what they actually do in their real lives. As already mentioned, if you have a choice, sex with women is the easier way to go.

by Anonymousreply 26September 23, 2016 11:35 PM

I just want to get my dick sucked. I don't care if you have a dick or a pussy. Just as long as you don't want to spend the night. Bonus if you're into facials, which many chicks aren't.

by Anonymousreply 27September 23, 2016 11:41 PM

[quote]Has anyone ever told you you're incredibly obnoxious and punch-worth?

Obnoxious? Sure. Punch-worthy? No. Because I'm not a little bitch. You're probably like that drunken gay guy at the Dallas BBQ in Chelsea who thought it was ok to hit a large black man with his purse because between his whiteness and his gay from spaceness he would be protected from how men deal with each other when they start throwing around attitude like that. Well, I'm white, too, and I'm capable of sending sufficient non-verbal signals that no, no people don't try to posture at me about how punch-worthy I am. I'm sure some of them think it. But they don't say it, because they know if they try, I'm not going to gently tap them with a purse. I'm not even violent, I just don't stand for bullying. Physical, emotional or intellectual. Which brings me to this:

[quote]If you're going to approach all surveys, even those you haven't seen about, with a set of preconceived ideas, and then force those surveys to fit those ideas, as is clear you're doing,

If you're interested in having intellectually honest discourse, you cite your fucking sources. I went more than halfway trying to meet you, attempting to find your source myself, and based on what I found your stats were not relevant to what I was saying. I had to ask you, what, three times(?), before you'd provide a link and now you've given me a 121 page document with no page cite, no summary to the relevant definition (is that 3% of men who openly identify as bisexual who are in relationships with men?), basically you're acting like someone who has no interest in whatever truth that survey may reveal, you just want to cherry pick stats that suit your point. I'm not calling bullshit on that survey, I'm calling bullshit on you.

[quote]you want to convince yourself that bi men settle down with men and you are going to debunk all data that show otherwise, I get it.

No. I have no doubt that the overwhelming majority of functionally bisexual men settle down with women. ("Settle down" defined as "hold themselves out to the world as straight, through means including openly dating women.") My point was that a majority of guys who hold themselves out to the world as bisexual have already and are in the future willing to date men. This is painfully obvious if you actually know out bi guys. Being out immediately eliminates them from romantic contention with (at minimum) half the straight female population. All I was saying was don't hold the nasty user closet cases against the guys who are willing to be honest about who they are.

[quote]But OK, here it is, the Yougov survey which you couldn't find in the "last two pages" because not all research on sexual orientation has been performed in the last couple years.

I don't think you understand how search algorithms work. Regardless, the fact that you think my failed attempt to locate your needle in a haystack means that I'm the one suffering from confirmation bias is pretty funny.

by Anonymousreply 28September 24, 2016 2:18 AM

It's a safe zone for them. They believe, as do the majority of heteros that bisexuality is somehow more respectable than homosexuality.

by Anonymousreply 29September 24, 2016 2:22 AM

I do believe that bisexuality is the 'layover to Gaytown'. Bisexuals, usually, are either

1) clearly heterosexual and trying to get cool points (has never been and will never be in a same sex relationship).

2) clearly homosexual and ashamed (has always been and will always be in a same sex relationship).

3) Partake in gay relationships on the sly, unbeknownst to their partner. see #2.

Anyway, wasn't their a study done and their findings were that men aren't really bisexual. Where bisexual is the 50/50 attraction to both sexes, men were always had a 90/10 preference to one of the sexes.

by Anonymousreply 30September 24, 2016 2:37 AM

To R8- I have been saying that for over 25 yrs, that bi-sexuality does not exist!! Or my quote..."Bisexuality is the Last Stop on the way to RickyMartinville". I believe I borrowed it from SATC or another gay show. If they want to believe they are Bi, I let them(as long as I get my NUTT I don't care what they believe) If they want to be str8, I let them believe it(please see above comment) It is always...ALL ABOUT MY NUTT!!

by Anonymousreply 31September 24, 2016 2:59 AM

R30, You count only sex, or quality and length of long term relationships?

People make up their minds until something doesn't work out. Or does.

"Layover" is too shallow for how someone processes pressures of conformity. From peers, kin, strangers (all hawkish and snide, labelers at the canning assembly.) And the complicating factors in each unique case.

by Anonymousreply 32September 24, 2016 4:06 AM

R32 is a victim of peer pressure. But you never apologized for your youthful gay bashing, did you?

by Anonymousreply 33September 24, 2016 5:36 AM

I'm not obnoxious! Here's my 10,000-character reply touching on minute aspects of my biography, psychology and personal philosophy showing how I'm not obnoxious.

by Anonymousreply 34September 24, 2016 12:58 PM

You're an abject moron, r34. I didn't deny that some people find me obnoxious. I don't fucking care if you think I'm obnoxious. I just find it amusing interacting with someone who thinks saying "you're punch-worth" (sic) is an intelligent and appropriate response to being asked to share his source.

I made a simple point about *openly bisexual* men, it was challenged, I've defended it, as is my wont as the Leave Bi Men Alone Troll.

by Anonymousreply 35September 24, 2016 1:21 PM

Yes, the overwhelming majority of bisexual men end up with women. When the choice is either a socially-supported relationship or the possibility of being ostracized, it's no wonder they choose women as girlfriends or wives and banish their male attraction to sex/hookups/down low (R27).

So yes, good rule of thumb: partner with other gay men. There's nothing "problematic" or "bigoted" about reality.

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by Anonymousreply 36September 25, 2016 12:09 AM

OP since when have sex in the city or Sarah Jessica Parker been the authority on anything? SJP dated/slept with bisexual men like RDJ and JFKJ.

R36 There are a lot more heterosexual women and bisexual women in the world than there are gay men. If a man is bisexual and wants to marry or partner with a woman that is his choice. There are also quite a number of bisexual men who date/partner or marry other bisexual and gay men. Yes it is being bigoted if you refuse to date, partner, sleep, or marry a bisexual person of the same sex and you are gay or lesbian.

Gays that claim that dating, partnering, or marrying a bisexual man will 'end in tears' ignore the reality that a lot of gay men cheat on their partner/husband, and many just stay single and hook up as much as they can or do this on the side without their husband knowing.

by Anonymousreply 37January 14, 2020 9:11 PM

[quote][R36] There are a lot more heterosexual women and bisexual women in the world than there are gay men. If a man is bisexual and wants to marry or partner with a woman that is his choice. There are also quite a number of bisexual men who date/partner or marry other bisexual and gay men. Yes it is being bigoted if you refuse to date, partner, sleep, or marry a bisexual person of the same sex and you are gay or lesbian.

r37, ok, so "If a man is bisexual and wants to marry or partner with a woman that is his choice", and this should be honoured and respected, yes? But if a gay man prefers to marry or partner with another gay man, then he's a bigot?

by Anonymousreply 38January 18, 2020 12:48 AM

I originally thought I was bisexual before I realized I was gay, but by the time I came out as bisexual I already knew I was gay. I came out as bisexual anyways because of a simple fact: you get less shit for being 50% straight than you do for being 100% gay.

by Anonymousreply 39January 18, 2020 12:52 AM
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