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Holding The Man and 4th Man Out movies.

Just watched these two movies on Netflix last night and I highly recommend them. They both rate 5 stars on Netflix which is a feat for a gay themed film. Holding the Man is based on a book writen by the lead character in the film of the true story of how he, an aspiring actor and his partner, the captain of the high school football team met and fell in love. The acting is superb within a brilliant screenplay and you literally fall in love with these guys. The story moves on to a serious note but I will leave that to your anticipation. I rarely get teary eyed in movies but this one really turned on the waterworks. I still encourage anyone to see it. It is so honest and real.

4th Man Out is a coming out story for a guy coming out to his 3 best straight friends and his family. There is a lot of comedy here but a lot of sincere heartwarming moments too. Its a real feel good movie and the acting as well was amazing.

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by Anonymousreply 59Last Thursday at 5:47 AM

Holding the Man = bad wings/makeup 30 yr old actors playing teenagers + depressing story

I don't recommend it!

by Anonymousreply 108/21/2016

"Holding the Man" seems like a film that should have been made 20 years ago -- in 2016 I'm not sure it really has much to add to its subject matter. "4th Man Out" is well made and quite charming. But as noted above, both films have casting age issues -- "Holding" has two late 20-somethings playing high school kids for a significant part of the film (they can't carry it off), and "4th" is centered on a group of friends in their early 20s played by actors obviously near or over 30.

by Anonymousreply 208/21/2016

Fuck.. you guys sound like you could never enjoy a movie in your life the way to shred them apart.. Why not just take the frozen hot dogs out of your ass and watch a movie just for the idea of a story and being entertained. Just saying. So uptight here.

by Anonymousreply 308/22/2016

R3 does NOT want his treacly low-brow pleasures poked.

by Anonymousreply 408/22/2016

If gay lovers are allowed to have a happy ending, with no preachy moral judgments... Then I'll give them a watch. No more kill the fag or dyke in the end, depressing films for me... ever again. No positive outcome permitted for pervs or non-heteros, is for last century movie making.

by Anonymousreply 508/22/2016

Well Holding the Man didn't have a happy ending for author Tim Conigrave. His memoir was published after his death and he also never got to profit from the stage version that was such a smash success. And now there's the movie.

by Anonymousreply 608/22/2016

At least some new gay features come out with bigger production values and castmembers with name recognition. All this webisode stuff is fun and entertaining, but sometimes it's nice to get something "meatier" that doesn't look like it's produced on a shoe-string budget.

by Anonymousreply 708/22/2016

Holding the Man was disappointing. It originally was written as a play and probably worked better on stage--the dialogue is a bit stagey and the peripheral characters are not well developed. Guy Pearce is wasted as the wimpy father of one, while Anthony Lapaglia is stuck with a bigger, but cartoonish role as the other's father. The treatment of homosex in a boys school is a bit unrealistic and mostly is told to us rather than really shown. The leads are too old for their parts. The story is told from the point of view of the survivor, but oddly doesn't really develop the character of his beloved. The production values are good and the period references are well-done, but whole thing doesn't really jell. It's a variation on any number of "AIDS stories" we've all seen and frankly not as good. It lacks the immediacy and energy that makes even an uneven film like Longtime Companion worth watching (Buscemi and Kathy Kinney save it from its wooden leads).

by Anonymousreply 808/22/2016

I liked both movies, didn't love them. Still, they're infinitely superior to the vast majority of gay-themed films that get made.

by Anonymousreply 908/22/2016

4th Man Out was a tedious gaybro movie. Typical that a certain DL contingent would love it.

I haven't seen the other one.

by Anonymousreply 1008/22/2016

The lead in 4th Man Out is a confirmed homo.

by Anonymousreply 1108/22/2016

Ridiculous that you want to erase the AIDS era. The most important stories of that era have not yet been told. Shame shame shame.

by Anonymousreply 1208/22/2016

R12 - some of us don't want to revisit a painful period in very, very recent history. I'm one of those annoying little gays you probably despise because I want to watch a gay-themed movie that doesn't end with Yet Another Tragic Yet Meaningful Death From AIDS. Not every gay film has to be a bloody tragedy - that's not how life works, and it is not how movies should work either.

by Anonymousreply 1308/22/2016

It's a good movie overall, but it's depressing and as somebody eluded to unthread, the ending is predictable for a gay movie.

The father and mother in the death scene were horrible people, just awful. It's reality, and the total dissection of the gay relationship at the funeral was a sickening look at what we gay's have had to deal with forever.

by Anonymousreply 1408/22/2016

That's fine but that doesn't mean a movie is BAD if it's depressing. A lot of AIDS movies have been about the community coming together and so on, and not individual stories of people who were relatively isolated from manic socializing - so I don't see this movie as rehashing what has already been told.

by Anonymousreply 1508/22/2016

Where are the gay movies that look positively into the future instead of taking a bleak look back into the past? Can't we have this, like, hopeful perspective instead of having to carry the past around like a heavy burden or baggage we refuse to let go? In recent years the LGBT Community accomplished so many things in terms of gay rights and yet, I don't see that kind of satisfying, moral victory reflected in movies (on TV? Yeah, in a way).

by Anonymousreply 1608/22/2016

4th Man Out looks like it's light and feel-good entertainment.

by Anonymousreply 1708/22/2016

Of course there are more stories to be told--they just need to be told better than "Holding the Man". A pathetic attitude means that we get stuck with pathetic media.

by Anonymousreply 1808/22/2016

4th Man Out was fucking terrible. I'm embarrassed the gay guy was a fellow Julliard alum because he sucked and had zero charisma or acting ability.

by Anonymousreply 1908/22/2016

The openly gay lead of 4th Man Out, Evan Todd (left), with his boyfriend, Darren Bluestone (center).

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by Anonymousreply 2008/22/2016

Craig Stott, who plays the athletic boyfriend in Holding the Man, is also openly gay.

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by Anonymousreply 2108/22/2016

R13 painful period?? You speak like gays are the only ones who can contract HIV/AIDS. Anyone around the world is at risk. Surprisingly, with all the worry there are still a lot of people in the LGBT community having unprotected sex willy nilly. In a city like London, for instance, the number of HIV infected youngsters is reaching epidemic proportions. So R13 nothing has changed, we have more information, better resources but the painful period you are talking about hasn't gone away, we have just chose to ignore it.

by Anonymousreply 2208/22/2016

Hey, R22, did you put one hand on your hip and point dramatically with the other whilst doing that? Do you lisp as well?

by Anonymousreply 2308/22/2016

I'm skipping to the bottom without reading anything past Kansas City, with whom I completely agree. I don't want to watch another "gay guy gets killed in the end" picture as long as I live. KC, did you hate Brokeback as much as I did? I'm going to watch these movies, maybe today, and will comment further afterwards.

by Anonymousreply 2408/22/2016

I rewatched Big Eden recently. It was roundly criticized for being unrealistically positive. It's a low key feel good gay movie.

by Anonymousreply 2508/22/2016

I stopped watching Big Eden 20 minutes in because I knew precisely where it was going; one thing I can say in favor of 4th Man Out (which does not have a tragic ending) is I couldn't predict where it was going.

by Anonymousreply 2608/22/2016

R21 Apparently Craig Stott now identities as Queer after coming out as gay and then bisexual.

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by Anonymousreply 2708/22/2016

I am available for lesbian movies or series set in college or 1st job type of thing. Experienced with ensemble casts.

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by Anonymousreply 2808/22/2016

4th Man Out was terrible. Cheaply made, badly acted.

by Anonymousreply 2908/22/2016

I liked 4th Man out. The acting got better as it went on. Though the actors seemed awkward at first, they got more comfortable with the material, and with each other, as the movie went on. And yeah, it was cheaply made, but the story made sense for the most part. I give it a B. I feel better about having seen 4th Man Out than I do Brokebutt Mountainmen.

by Anonymousreply 3008/22/2016

Holding the man's sex scenes were quite realistic. I was surprised, the straight actor went all out, no holds barred

by Anonymousreply 3108/22/2016

only 3 comments in and r3 couldn't agree more.

by Anonymousreply 3208/22/2016

R3 is one of those people who feels that if someone is openly gay, they are above reproach for anything else they might do or say (and the same goes with movies). He'd love for David Burtka to be First Lady.

by Anonymousreply 3308/22/2016

[quote]In recent years the LGBT Community accomplished so many things in terms of gay rights

The "LGBT community" is about the erasure of the gay community. I'd rather look at the past than the future according to LGBT.

by Anonymousreply 3408/22/2016

OP, after just finishing Holding and having watched 4th a while back, I hope you watched them in the order of your post title. I wouldn't put them in the same "production quality" category or even genre really, but watching Holding the Man left me as sad as after watching The Normal Heart.

by Anonymousreply 3509/25/2016

Well, any movie based around AIDS will do that...

by Anonymousreply 3609/25/2016

Holding the Man was fantastic! Once I got over the weirdly done first act it quickly turned around and came into its own. Some of the scenes were a little campy but I kind of enjoyed that. Really, really loved it.

by Anonymousreply 3710/02/2016

It sounds like cheesey soft porn or soap opera.

by Anonymousreply 3810/02/2016

I wanted to watch Holding the Man but saw Geoffrey Rush's name in the cast 🙁

by Anonymousreply 3912/16/2017

I just saw Holding The Man a few days ago. I liked it overall. But yeah, they should have gotten younger, more believable looking actors just for the high school years. It kept taking me out of the moment watching 30 year old looking guys in school uniforms and wigs talking like googly eyed12 year olds in love.

by Anonymousreply 4004/09/2018

Just watch the brilliant "The Fourth Man."

by Anonymousreply 4104/09/2018

I just watched "Holding the Man" and was very moved by it. I can understand some of the earlier criticisms on this thread, but I think the film accurately captures a period in time that, yes, brings back many painful memories but should never, ever be forgotten. I do wish Ryan Corr (Tim Conigrave) was in more films because I found him to so charismatic with such screen presence.

by Anonymousreply 4205/31/2018

gay movies suck, why don't y'all watch RED SPARROW instead?

by Anonymousreply 4305/31/2018

Looks like pap. Now, " The Fourth Man" is a knock out.

by Anonymousreply 4405/31/2018

I saw "Holding the Man" on Netflix over the weekend. I'm a child of that generation, so the story line resonated with me. Sometimes I have to be reminded of what happened in the past to put today in perspective. The actors were great, the love scenes were uninhibited. Yes, I cried at the end, but the situation felt so real. I thought it was a good film.

by Anonymousreply 4509/02/2019

I saw "Holding the Man" last night; as I had expected, it moved me so much. However, found it to be quite a bit lacking. I'm not one who would compare films to the books their based on, but having read the book, I couldn't help noticing how the film's plot seems to move so quickly. That, unfortunately, leaves a great deal of details and quirks about Tim and John and their relationship. Nonetheless, I still loved the film, and besides, Craig Stott's such a hot bloke.

by Anonymousreply 4602/07/2020

I watched Hold the Man without knowing anything about it before hand, or even seeing this thread, and I was really moved and I recommend it.

by Anonymousreply 4702/07/2020

I saw all the "AID's" films in the 90's. Since I lost so many friends it was like looking in the mirror. Its been twenty years since I put the mirror away. I have no strength to take it out again. The reflection is not the same.

by Anonymousreply 4802/07/2020

Those actors looked like clowns in those cheap wigs playing 15 year old. I lasted about 20 minutes and gave up.

by Anonymousreply 4902/07/2020

The wigs were bad, but I like Ryan Corr’s acting in PACKED TO THE RAFTERS very much.

by Anonymousreply 5005/31/2020

Holding The Man had its flaws but I think the heart was in right place and think it is a good movie. The lead actor gave another good performance in psycho kills people in the outback movie. Can’t remember title.

Fourth Man Out got terrible reviews from posters here. I assumed it was an anti gay gay film afraid to show gay content and gay sex.i have never watched it. I thought OP was talking about The Fourth Man now THAT’S a good gay movie....

by Anonymousreply 5105/31/2020

4th Man Out, while hardly high art, is good fun.

by Anonymousreply 5205/31/2020

Craig Stott is openly gay. Is Ryan Corr gay?

by Anonymousreply 5305/31/2020

I’ve watched HTM four times in a week! The film has left a strong impression on me. Definitely crushing on Stott. What do we know about him?

by Anonymousreply 5406/09/2020

Is that Mallory Church at 0:37 in OP's trailer?

by Anonymousreply 5506/09/2020

Both are nice movies.

by Anonymousreply 5606/09/2020

"4th Man Out" is lighthearted, but its appeal to me was the tale of gay men living outside major urban areas. I'm like that now. Most of my friends are straight. I know a handful of gay men around where I live. And dating is tough.

The gay lead is a down-to-earth type of guy. It's just enjoyable. The dates he goes on are rather funny. He dates one very attractive man, but he orders chili, nachos, or something. The inevitable happens, and he lets one or two rip. I don't try to break wind on first dates, but I wouldn't throw a fellow out of my bed, if he did! even Matt Bomer and Luke Evans answer the call of the wild burrito.

by Anonymousreply 5706/09/2020

I have watched HOLDING THE MAN a dozen times in a month! I absolutely love this film. Ok, the teen idol wigs are unfortunate, but the sense of romance is so strong. And the actors are quite good, especially Ryan Corr. I read an interview with Craig Stott where he said that he’s disappointed that he didn’t get more film offers after this, despite the critical acclaim the film received. I think that he’s a sexy man. I’d love to see them make another film together.

by Anonymousreply 5806/30/2020

Reading the customer reviews on Amazon and IMDB, some people have accused Tim Conigrave of being selfish, as if his need to sexually experiment outside the confines of his relationship with John Caleo. That it was his fault that John got sick and died. Everyone was experimenting with open relationships in the seventies and eighties, so I disagree. He was selfish, maybe, but it wasn’t his fault that he contracted HIV.

by Anonymousreply 59Last Thursday at 5:47 AM
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