How can I be more straight-acting

You might try taking off the eyeliner and the earrings, doll.

Try this!

OP = Richard SImmons

If you're serious about this, then hire a vocal coach to help you modify your gay inflections in your speech. Regarding gestures and facial expressions -- have an acting coach teach you how to "act like a man."

You can also attempt this yourself by self-recording and self-correcting, but it's better to have others observing for constructive criticism and specialized instruction.

Watch TEA AND SYMPATHY. Lots of good advice in the 1956 classic.

Think about baseball, darling.

You have a straight brother or maybe straight friends or masculine gay friends?

Here's an instructional video OP.

This is Audio tape number 1 from the series "Exploring your masculinity".

[quote] And no, I am not a self-hating gay.

Your entire original post SCREAMS otherwise. You are the dictionary definition of self-loathing, toots.

The only way to be straight acting is to have sex with women.

When it comes to being masculine, If you didn't hang around a lot of guys growing up it will never b easy and natural for you.

R4 has real advice. It is what gay actors who.can't pass do when they realize they need to.be more believably straight.

What's on your iPod? Girly singers? Delete them.

im very masculine ever since i was a kid. the word straight acting is very offensive to homosexual men and women that were not affected with affeminacy and masculinization during their infancy.being affeminate has nothing to do with sexual preference at all. affeminacy is also call "gay" or linked to homosexuality, however, this is what the gay affeminate agenda is always pushing.affeminacy starts at a very early age. my mother used to work with children and she remembers working with "special" kids that had affeminacy problems. affeminacy is not genetic, sexual orientation is both genetic and neurological.affeminacy can be corrected to a certain extent, sexual orientation is innate and unchangable, trust me, there is nothing fluid about sexual preference.sexual arousal is an involuntary and uncontrolled neural excitation process, linked to sensitivity toward certain physical stimuli( visual, olfatory , etc). sexual orientation is a bogus term popular in psychology and the social " sciences". sexual arousal is the neurological, psychophysical and biochemical process that REAL scientists are focused on. to say that in order to be " straight acting" you have to have sex with a woman is insulting.

Uhm, why is everyone on this board looking at me? Is something funny happening?

The vocal coach and acting coach are the best ideas if you are serious about changing these mannerisms and inflections, etc. This is what actors,politicians, etc do. Many men who started out more effeminate in their careers have used them to become more masculine . It does take repetitive work but I've seen the effects and it works if you practice. It all is about self awareness . May I ask why you want to change? Best of luck to you.

Easiest way is to just start hanging out with masculine guys and eventually you'll just absorb their mannerisms etc.

Forget " fashion" go classic collegiate . Wear Topsiders, khakis, polo shirt color to match your eyes. . Look at golf on tv, note how simply they dress. Copy it. You,ll be ok. When you open your mouth and a purse falls out, at least you,ll look straight.

Use fewer words. Animate less UNLESS out to dinner, clubs, etc. Take notes from the especially silent-strong-as-rock-acting straight guys; am for something halfway between that and where you are. Watch Gary Cooper, John Wayne films.

Be glad it's JUST an act; acting straight.

Be like me!

R4 gave good advice, R16 also. Good luck! I remember a great, very shortl-lived tv show called 'Straight Plan for the Gay Man'; try to get hold of it, it is right up your alley. They were able to get one gay guy employment at a meatpacking plant! But afterward, he said he couldn't wait to get back to his gay life and own clothes.

I was hoping that after Orlando that I would see less of these threads and less tolerance of them. But, I have seen an increase in them: AIDS threads, is homosexuality genetic?, how can I be more straight-acting?

What a shame.

Op, I know what you mean by animated. Watch many gay men on reality tv and other places, we seem to act out every word and sentence rather than simply say them. Try talking instead of emoting....

Become an evangelist preacher, add your deceased aunt's name to yours, and go on the circuit to speak about your aunt's life, your life as a chick magnet, and how these disgusting homosexuals need to die and go to the devil.

Step one: Keep your mouth shut.

Step two: There is no step two. Go back to step one.

I am surprised by a lot of the responses. Kinda angry, talking about Orlando etc. The reason for wanting to be more straight-acting has nothing to do with hating myself. Like I said, I am very open about being gay and I came out of the closet in my teens.

It's a matter of self improvement. In the same way that we go to the gym to look more attractive, being straight acting (or 'masc' these days I guess) makes you a lot more attractive. Sure some guys are into effeminate men but the majority want masc guys. Same as some guys like chubby guys but most people like gym for bodies. There is nothing wrong with being effeminate (or chubby) but there is nothing wrong either with being the opposite.

I am already reasonably straight acting in that women hit on me all the time and people occasionally tell me they wouldn't have guessed I was gay. But I am aiming for a more rounded masc vibe - the deeper more monotone voice, posture etc. I am just looking for tips from people who may have knowledge and experience with this; not to start a masc-fem war.

When you walk, make sure your arms don't swing. A straight friend said that's his clue to gay men.

Emulate Henry Cavill. Problems solved.

Allow you hair to grow out.

Stop over-grooming.

[quote]Emulate Henry Cavill. Problems solved.

He is a poster child example of how if you suppress your personality you end up just coming across as very boring.

Stop looking squeaky clean.

First, stop referring to it as "straight-acting". There is nothing gay or straight about being comfortably masculine.

Second make sure it is comfortable. Better to be naturally femme than forced anything. So relax.

Third, seriously, close your mouth and open your ears. Nothing is more masculine than rock-steady silence.

[quote]First, stop referring to it as "straight-acting". There is nothing gay or straight about being comfortably masculine.

Amen.

[quote]Second make sure it is comfortable. Better to be naturally femme than forced anything.

Amen.

Here is how your typical European straight millennial dresses like. Also take note how they pose and immitate as needed.

Disclaimer: I think the guy on the right with the striped collared shirt is gay. Just based on his Instagram and how he hangs out with a lot of hags.

SHRIEEEEEK

They don't look very str8 to me, R32.

They're all scrubbed to death and immaculate...but only one or two are flashing their bleached teeth, so that's something.

You have a set of tools OP? Start building things.

That guy's instagram @R32 is totally gay....Dutch Model.

Why he'd choose them to represent straight, I do not know.

Don't wear heels with your shorts. Wear your flats, instead.

The guy at R32 on the bottom right in black is gorgeous.

R36 he has a girlfriend. Yes, that doesn't mean he's straight, bisexual is possible. And it doesn't help that the gf is quite homely and he's out of her league looks-wise. Still I don't see anything to convince me he's not attracted to women. Same with the other models, excluding the one under my disclaimer, @danielvanderdeen

1) Don't fully wipe yourself -- leave a little in the crack so you'll print a track mark in your underpants. That's the ultimate calling card of the straight male.

2) Wear underwear until it disintegrates off of your body.

3) When you're in public and a woman with big tits or a round ass walks by, look at it with the same love you might show an especially tasteful set of fine china. In fact, imagine that the china were balanced on the tits or the ass. This helps a lot, I've found.

4) Eat chicken, egg or tuna salad and leave a little bit of the mayo in the corner of your lip.

5) Stroke your scalp with your fingertips when in public and if you find a little scale or whatever up there, make a big show of peeling it off with your fingernails. If you don't find one, pretend anyway.

6) Fart in a crowded place.

7) Work the expressions "friend zone," "rack and pinion steering," and "hurtin' like a big dog" into conversation when possible.

8) Stop sucking dick.

R25 = Elaine Benes

Find a good butch lesbian and ask/pay for a weekly blood transfusion from them for a full 90 days. Science has shown that they have the highest concentration of testosterone.

Straight women will be fanning their panties as you walk by within weeks.

Or... you could try not living your life being inauthentic and embracing and loving yourself the way you are.

You realize how exhausting this is going to be for you, right? Posturing24/7?

learn go love the taste of pussy. Works for me

R40 EWWWWWWWWWWW

Nobody said it was going to be easy, R43.

CLEAR YOUR COMPUTER AND ALL OTHER DEVICES OF HAVING VISITED AND POSTED ON DATALOUNGE!

I don't know why people are taking offense at the OP's question tbh. Isn't masculinity one of the most attractive traits? Lots of people would rather have a truly masc bro with an average body than one of those extremely effeminate guys with muscles. That's how much masculinity trumps other traits when it comes to attractiveness

More straight young Europeans, I think French in this case. Their attire isn't drastically differently from young gay Europeans.

Stop fucking men.

Yes, R45.

OP -- Don't come back to datalounge. Please stay away. This is a gossip site, not at all masculine on your journey to "straight-acting". Better go to Deadspin or ESPN.

I agree with R49. Fuck off. The very term "straight acting" is nothing but a self-loathing term. BE WHO THE FUCK YOU ARE. And get the fuck off of Datalounge, too. You are a douchenozzle.

Be into football

Assuming you are serious, STOP with the super gay "up reading" in your speech. It is gay and wearying to the listener to boot. An up reading is where all of your statements and utterances float up in tone, and the last word is highest pitched as if you are asking a question (you aren't) and the last vowel sound is oddly dragged out. . Often people with chronic up reads give the last word two tones, one high then higher.

"I was sitting reading in my roo-OOM" (Ask it like a question. Do you do that? Stop it!

[quote] Same with the other models, excluding the one under my disclaimer

You've checked the backgrounds of all of them? You go, gurl!

Still, not the perfect examples of how to look like a straight guy for OP, are they?

[quote] Lots of people would rather have a truly masc bro with an average body than one of those extremely effeminate guys with muscles. That's how much masculinity trumps other traits when it comes to attractiveness

I keep reading this on DL - but masses of effeminate guys have boyfriends and great sex lives.

& all this nonsense about gays preferring str8 guys - all the 'hawt' guys posted on DL that everyone here gets very excited about, are either gay or look gay.

[quote] I keep reading this on DL - but masses of effeminate guys have boyfriends and great sex lives.

I much prefer effeminate and feminine guys (there is a distinction).

R53 I've been checking their backgrounds for some months since I follow all of them on IG! And men's fashion week just recently ended so it's inevitable I'd get curious about a few male models when watching Balmian and Gucci on YouTube.

OP, don't do anything I just mentioned. And don't be a high fashion enthusiast like me.

[quote][R53] I've been checking their backgrounds for some months since I follow all of them on IG!

When you get a chance...post a linked pic of the one you like the very most...with maybe a short outline about what you've learned about him, PLEASE.

Yet another moronic PMBT thread.

[quote] And men's fashion week just recently ended so it's inevitable I'd get curious about a few male models when watching Balmian and Gucci on YouTube.

Yes. Inevitable.

Hell not I am NOT the Program Troll wtf. I'd rather be effeminate.

So again, not bashing femme guys at all. Not my intention. I don't do it in real life and I won't do it here.

No offense intended to anyone. And thank you all who have replied with serious and helpful tips this far.

[quote]Yet another moronic PMBT thread.

Probably but trying to avoid them on DL is like trying to avoid unpleasant oxygen molecules. You'll just suffocate.

Anyway....

The most masculine European men are gayer-seeming than the gayest American men.

Two people told you to see a speech therapist and an acting coach and you did not acknowledge them, so that is why it sounds trollish.

If you want to change how you speak and act - then see a speech therapist and acting coach. What a revolutionary idea.

I have a friend who is an adult speech therapists and she sees a handful of gay men who want to come across more "masculine" - particularly one who is a litigator. There are fairly simple ways to change feminine speech, but it takes a lot of practice and time. As far as body language, that seems more complicated to me... but start by not ever talking with your hands. The walking / fratboy strut thing seems to come from early high school.

R60 is the PMBT.

No he isn't, he doesn't sound like John at all. John is incredibly distinctive.

Get a tattoo!

On your lower back R65.

[quote]I have a friend who is an adult speech therapists and she sees a handful of gay men who want to come across more "masculine" - particularly one who is a litigator.

Exactly. If you are truly serious about this, there are real things you can do

OP you are going to need a face transplant to get rid of the Gay face.

Stop smelling cookies. OP has gay face and wants to change that.

start playing sports and hanging out with dudes that play sports. Stop showing daily and shaving daily. When you do shower, just get out and towel dry your hair and that is it, no other grooming.

Don't smile a lot.

The points about using less words and toning down your inflection are good. It may help to not think of it as being more masculine and less feminine, but distinguishing between being more like a man and less like a boy.

The gestures and dramatic inflections are wired in early on - expressing helplessness to not be left behind/taken out of the crib. If you were infantilized by your parents as a child, you learned "squawking and flailing" got their attention.

"Men" don't come from a place of need. There is no fear of being excluded, or NEED to be heard, or seen, or understood.

If people don't see/hear/understand/include you - FUCK 'EM.

You won't perish without them. Your sustained existence in this world is not predicated on them noticing you.

Less is more. And "masculine". And sexy.

Gay men aren't the only ones guilty of uptalking. Women do it too, and it's a killer in a work situation. Effectively, every sentence is like a request for agreement or validation. Anyone who does this should take stock and stop.

[quote]Gay men aren't the only ones guilty of uptalking. Women do it too

Well yes, that is why those kind of traits are called being effeminate.

[quote]being affeminate has nothing to do with sexual preference at all. affeminacy is also call "gay" or linked to homosexuality, however, this is what the gay affeminate agenda is always pushing.affeminacy starts at a very early age. my mother used to work with children and she remembers working with "special" kids that had affeminacy problems. affeminacy is not genetic, sexual orientation is both genetic and neurological.affeminacy can be corrected

OP, learn to spell badly,and punctuate like shit.then people will thing your straight.

[quote] I much prefer effeminate and feminine guys (there is a distinction).

Seriously? Care to explain?

Stop acting and be yourself, OP. Sociopath alert!

[quote]Look at golf on tv, note how simply they dress. Copy it.

One of the funniest things I've ever read here.

OP, follows these simple hints.

1. Slump. That neat comportment? A no-no.

2. Allow your mouth to fall slightly open when you are in 'resting straight face' mode. Don't be shy of appearing dense, almost bovine if you will.

3. After a swallow of beverage, suddenly open your mouth so that your UNBALMED lips issue a light 'smacking' sound. Immediately follow this up with an 'a-hhh' sound, from your gut. As if you were dying of thirst and your beverage has saved your life.

I'll think of more.

[quote]I much prefer effeminate and feminine guys (there is a distinction).

[quote]Seriously? Care to explain?

One says tomaaaaayto, one says tomaaaaarto

What R41 said. Or, as I was about to put it, don't you have any lesbian friends???

My first instruction to you would be to keep your hands in your pants pockets as much as possible. If you can affect the "thumbs in your jeans pockets" look, do it. Wear boots as often as you can. If you don't know where to find masculine-looking boots, go to a Harley shop for inspiration. For God's sake, don't buff your nails. Scruffy is good with your nails, and your hair as well. Wear a more butch-scented deodorant. And above all, NO COLOGNE!! Straight men rarely wear cologne. If you must wear cologne,, buy something cheap at a drugstore.

Happy to help.

Elderlez is schooling you, OP.

OP, you are nothing but a self-loathing homophobic kapo. And fuck anyone who uses the word "straight" to describe the breeder oppressor class.

[quote]This thread literally makes me sick

Why? It's his problem, not yours.

It's all gay men's problems when we have people still trying to pass for heterosexual in 2016, and still using an archaic and largely homophobic phrase to do it.

Testosterone injections. You'll be smashing empty beer cans against your forehead in no time.

If you have to be that self- conscience about every little thing, you're not really being the unique person you're supposed to be. Isn't that the point?

[quote]It's all gay men's problems when we have people still trying to pass for heterosexual in 2016, and still using an archaic and largely homophobic phrase to do it.

And whose problem is it when you see people complaining that their #1 turn off is feminine guys and they are totally masc4masc...in 2016.

Just be yourself. There's nothing more pathetic than a guy that's a queen trying to be "masculine".

I dated a guy like this briefly and it was pretty obvious he's not masculine at all, since he would open his mouth and flowers would pop out.

I have two friends who are bisexual and they're both androgynous/femme and neither of them try to be masculine men, as they're comfortable with who they are.

I dated a guy like this briefly and it was pretty obvious he's not masculine at all, since he would open his mouth and flowers would pop out + I have two friends who are bisexual and they're both androgynous/femme

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Any other freaks for friends?

Relax your thorax, it will automatically deepen your voice. Relax your shoulders, put then back and down. Relax your gait and take longer strides. Roll your feet.

Everything else is personality and you should never copy that. Open your mind to personalities that inspire you and train your introspection, develop the version of yourself that will make you most happy, but never copy. It will always look fake.

And most importantly.. Don't be a coward.

Roll your feet?

This is getting ridiculous.

R90, it is ridiculous to see how many people don't roll their feet properly when walking, which produces an awkward gait

R69 "don't smile a lot", you won!

OP read R89, best advice.

and if you want a straigth aura, then you have to have sex with women. It's a matter of energy. It can sound a bit inconsistenty but their energy enhances our inner masculinity. Something from Ying/Yang.

What's best is to be yourself because no matter how hard you try to be something you're not, it's going to show false. I have straight friends who try to act over masculine and they are jokes and it looks stupid. Always remember this, no matter who you are, how hard you try, and even how giving, there will be people who don't like you for some reason. You cannot live to please others or give them some version that you think is more acceptable. Try to love you first. The rest will follow.

This is how us sensible gays view the gays who are fixated on masculinity. And OP, here's more homework for you. Just copy the masc gay he's affecting.

[Quote]and if you want a straigth aura, then you have to have sex with women.

Not always, r92. The guy in this video, starting at 0:25, is married with children, but he has the botanical gardens coming out of his mouth, and through his pores.

What *is* foot rolling?

[quote]What *is* foot rolling?

He DOES respond >>

[quote][R90], it is ridiculous to see how many people don't roll their feet properly when walking, which produces an awkward gait

Footroller, you'll need to make a video.

R98 He does. On roller skates!

Yes, you need to wear ankle weights to prevent the "light in the loafer" look. Topsiders don't work if you float out of them, gurl!

Oh. Roller skates. Gotcha.

How can you roll your feet AND wear ankle weights?

You're all turning OP into a freak.

R81, you are literally sick?

What are your symptoms?

Maybe someone here can help.

According to R95s clip, the straight man with gay voice grew up surrounded by women but very few men on an ashram. Does this mean gay voice is not inborn but simply caused by little gay boys unconsciously modelling their speech on women not men? Gay boys do voluntarily what this straight guy did out of necessity, because there just weren't men around whom he COULD model his speech after?

Once again thank you for all the constructive responses. I have no idea what foot rolling is all about but I guess I'll have to do some googling.

And to all the angry people in this thread, please understand that you can't police what people are attracted to. A large majority of gay guys are attracted to very masculine men. It's clear that this offends you but it is what it is. People want masculinity. If you don't, that's great. If you know feminine guys who have lots of sex, sure, that's great for them too. But there is a reason why "looking for masc" is such a cliche on dating apps. It's because it is so prevalent. And so what? We are gay. It's not exactly shocking that we are attracted to men.

[quote] But there is a reason why "looking for masc" is such a cliche on dating apps. It's because it is so prevalent

But do you know what gays mean by masc?

[quote] I have no idea what foot rolling is all about but I guess I'll have to do some googling.

Yes...don't forget. It could be the key.

[quote]But do you know what gays mean by masc?

Sure do.

Masc = Male Ass Crack

R105, you should see a vocal coach as suggested, but you should also be clear in your mind that there are advantages to gay voice. You don't have to tell anyone you're gay because they already know. When meeting new people that convenience will come to an end if you "sound masculine." Also, a straight vocal coach who helps gay men even admitted its a lot of fun to talk with "gay voice" and be all flamboyant. He said a lot of gay guys eventually find gay voice is too much a part of their identity to give up. Which is totally fine.

It's well known that fat people, especially women, who were sexually abused or molested as kids often have a tremendously difficult time losing weight. They lose the pounds but then it comes right back. This is because when they are fat they don't get any unwanted sexual attention, and when they get thin and hot suddenly they have a lot of men coming on to them and it's just too anxiety provoking. In order to shed the pounds and keep them off, these women have to clearly recognize what hidden, secret advantage there was to being fat. Unless they clearly recognize that and are firmly prepared and happy to embrace being thin and being an object of sexual desire and resolve the trauma of having been molested, they can never make a permanent change.

OP

Here's the deal ... just be who you are! These guys you think you might attract aren't the ones who are right for you in the first place.

Gays don't want really masculine men or straight acting men.

They want a shaved, plucked, scrubbed, gym toned, bleached teethed version of a masculine man.

I was watching a lot of coming out videos a while back, and one guy in particular sticks out in my memory as he charted his coming out in real time. (He had recorded the videos over a long period of time, but I watched them all in a row over a few hours.)

In his first videos he was all gruff and deep voiced after he first told his parents and friends, and was dealing with the (mostly positive) reactions. Short sentences, buttoned downed, stoically articulate.

After six months to a year, he was all "girl, you got it going on...!" And I had to laugh at the transformation. Which one was the real him? Was his earlier gruffness a wall or shield to cloak his gayness? Were his new higher pitch and affectations the real him, or was he reflecting the speech and mannerisms of his new out friends?

When some gay guys get together the camp factor shoots way up. Sometimes I see someone on the street or at a coffee shop flailing away, and I wonder if that's how they act back home at thanksgiving dinner?

'Tis a puzzlement...

[quote] or was he reflecting the speech and mannerisms of his new out friends?

Probably that.

[quote]They want a shaved, plucked, scrubbed, gym toned, bleached teethed version of a masculine man who rolls his feet.

Fixed.

These feet are made for rollin'.

You can sound / communicate a lot better without just focusing on the "masc" aspect (and it will actually make you seem more confident / masc)

- Eye contact

- Talking slowly

- No rambling / tangents (stay focused)

This is what I got out of going to a speech pathologist who does work with adults. As I had to interact with more senior people, I realized they weren't that into me... and I didn't know why. But, I was actually able to correct things within the first session. I found someone really good (i had to call about 50 people because nobody deals with adults).

Oh, and she told me to stop talking with my hands... and she said "imagine there's a box in front of you - that's where your hands are going to stay" - not like the crazy gestures I was doing. It's distracting, more than anything, when someone talks with their hands. Yes, it looks gay, but it also just looks kinda nuts.

Honey, I'm goin' to the market...I'll be about an hour.

Don't forget to roll your feet!

Don't gossip or talk about personal emotions, personal life etc. especially around straight older men. I can be in an ONLINE anonymous group built around a common interest, totally accepted by 'the kewl kids', and the second I do that distance is created and they suspect I'm gay.

The women also start seriously and openly flirting with me the moment I show I'm not an emotional retard. Never never ask a question like OP's, for example, or show ANY capacity for self awareness and/or self-improvement.

I'm being sarcastic, but it's completely true.

When you walk, don't skip.

Turn down your sparkle factor.

Don't laugh at my jokes too much.

Don't think quickly or be witty.

You're just a guy with a dream. One that won't come true.

I've found that some of the butchest str8 guys like builders are total chatterboxes and gossips.

Homophobic thread.

Lighten up, 123

Roll me easy.

Stay away from the Bette midler/ Hello, Dolly! thread...

I ignored that without opening it, R126. I don't think it's made me perceptibly more straight-acting. I just don't like Bette.

OP are you a top or bottom? The bottoms are far more viciously obsessed with mascness. Some of them won't even talk to you if you're vers. It's like "omg he's been fucked by another guy... too gay 4 me!! Need acceptance from str8masc daddy!"

This isn't homophobic. Saying it's homophobic is anti male. What pussy-carrying female is purporting this? This is a reparative thread.

Study the face, voice and body language of virile heterosexual actor Bradley Cooper

You can't OP, you're a queen/femme, and not masculine. It also sounds as though you don't like being gay. Just saying.

I still think heterosexual actor Henry Cavill is a better model for OP. Henry's overt masculinity attracts women for periods lasting even a few weeks of being seen with each other one or two times for the pre-arranged paparazzi.

SPITTING is an important one for OP to learn. Un-self-consciously hocking a loogie on the street is an art that only straight men have mastered.

Keep your head straight. Many gays tilt their head to one side and it's a dead giveaway in photos. In general, the less physical movement the better. Straight men are extremely STILL creatures.

Wear a big, ugly old wool sweater with some dried food stains on it. NOT some designer wool sweater that your queeny ass thinks says Rugged, but an authentic, ugly sweater. Wear old clothes in general. Pay no attention to fashion.

Don't stick your ass out like you're waiting for a top to deposit his load. Straight men never think about their asses; they barely even wipe them after a shit.

DON'T follow gay trends in how to appear masculine. Thinking about getting a buzz cut or skinhead with a bushy beard, and accessorizing with black-rimmed glasses and a leg tattoo? That's what every urban queen is doing to prove to himself and everyone else that he's a masc4masc gaybro. Too obvious and transparent.

Good luck Mary.

I will say that although I don't mind fem guys, I had a date on Saturday with a guy who was so flaming that I couldn't take it. Not because he triggered my inner homophobe, but because his behavior was so distracting and annoying. Here's what he did:

1. He wore clothing that was too young for him, as in 30 years too young, a Hollister tshirt with a Harley bandanna and cargo shorts. Trying way too hard to look hip and cool in a stereotyped way.

2. His hands and arms never stopped moving when he talked. Up, down, side to side, wrist twirls, I swear sometimes he was flapping like an autistic bird.

2a. He wore jewelry on both hands and wrists, which added sparkle to the distraction. His nails were either buffed or polished, very shiny.

3. Voice extremely affected, sing-song, lilting, uptalk, nasal, theatrical.

4. He talked way too much. He never asked me any questions, never allowed me to finish a sentence or even ask him clarifying or follow up questions to what he was babbling on about.

5. He was kind and hospitable, but he provided a terrible blowjob.

Takeaway : Don't do what the guy above did. Do the opposite. Guys who brag about being masc or about being good at blowjobs aren't.

You buried the lede; #5 should have been #1...

If you need a gay voice removal expert, please consult David Muir of ABC News.

Have sex with women.

What do you guys think, there's some magical elixir in a woman's vagina that masculinises men? I have had sex with a few of my gay male friends, and they stayed as gay as ever.

Condition yourself to be aroused by flowery scented perfume, fruit flavored lip gloss, cotton candy body lotion, moisturizer, powdered makeup, and several hair products combined.

You probably have a very masculine vagina R138 -- that's why you couldn't budge them on the femme scale. Has anyone ever told you that it looks like a muscular, hairy ass?

This thread has been fun. Kicky, even.

1135 views in 20 Hrs.

Kickey, R142.

This is the most pathetic thread I've ever seen on DL. This reminds me of trannies trying to "pass" as women.

You're gay, you're what you are. If that means you're femmy, so be it. There are femmy straight guys too y'know. It's nothing to do with your clothes or anything. You can't hide your basic mannerisms and affect.

I will tell you what. Straight guys aren't stupid. They will know. If you want to get on with straight guys, just be who you are, and don't apologize. Most of my friends are smart, funny, interesting straight men, and I made sure they all knew I was gay as soon as I met them.

No, R140, I'm a girly girl. But my gay friends were not looking to change in any way, so having sex with me was not supposed to achieve that. The only thing that happened was that we enlarged our friendship with a new shared experience (and had a good time).

[quote]I will tell you what. Straight guys aren't stupid.

Here's some information for you...some ARE.

Anyway, OP isn't looking for str8 pals, he wants hotter homos FOR SEX & he thinks butching it up is the key.

OP, maybe you lack testosterone. Go to an endocrinologist and get your hormone levels checked. If they are off, maybe the Dr. can give you injections. Also, I've been told that exercise raises testosterone levels in men, not that I would know personally, because I hate to exercise, but I would recommend you work out with weights. Maybe you can meet some masculine men at the gym and start up a friendship. You could study their actions and emulate them. I've watched videos where transexuals get their trachea shaved and get surgery to change the pitch of their voice. If they can raise the pitch of their voice, I'm sure you could get yours lowered, if that is what is bothering you.

R144, you find some here oath tic but I find you preposterous.

Of course you can change or hide your "basic mannerisms and affect."

Ha, I meant pathetic, not oath tic...

What this documentary. Seriously.

One thing's for sure - the gay idea of masculinity and the straight idea of masculinity diverge widely. OP didn't specify what kind of masculinity he wants to develop. If it's for work, then basically, he wants to learn how to act straight. If it's solely to increase hs hook-up opportunities, then all he has to do is model his looks, dress and behaviour on masculine gays.

Many straight men obsess over the idea of being "alpha" just google "how can I be more alpha". I linked one of the more deranged websites where straight guys obsess over every feature of their face and body, take steroids, and have plastic surgery to be more "alpha" looking. But it's not ok for a gay guy to want to become more appealing? Ok whatever.

[quote]No, [R140], I'm a girly girl. But my gay friends were not looking to change in any way, so having sex with me was not supposed to achieve that. The only thing that happened was that we enlarged our friendship with a new shared experience (and had a good time).

Wow! You're a REAL faghag...you even fuck gays.

Only naturally masculine guys count, OP.

Yes, it was a great time. Pre-AIDS. We went to the dance clubs, hung out. One was a hair/makeup guy and he always made me look gorgeous. The sex was just a natural follow-on. Some are dead now, in the tidal wave of AIDS in the 80s. I miss them.

First, stop sucking dick. Second, watch the documentary "Do I sound gay?"

God almighty, R152, that site! I never had any idea sites like that existed, and they're straight guys, trying to get women to notice them. Talk about obessed freaks.

[R125], I'd roll those feet right into my mouth.

I really think a lot of you are overreacting the fuck out with the internalised homophobia angle.

You can be proudly gay and strive to be masculine, you know?

Check to make sure you took the sticker off.

[quote]I really think a lot of you are overreacting the fuck out with the internalised homophobia angle.

They're enjoying themselves.

Yep, R157, the guys on that site are TRULY deranged... the longer you read it, the more scary it becomes. The guy who shot all those sorority girls in Santa Barbara was a member of the original version of that site.

The other thing about the guys there is that they are so far out of touch with reality. A lot of them are really good looking - but they obsess over fillers and having bigger necks and "alpha posture" and all this crap - ALL so that imaginary women might sleep with them.

So, that being said - those guys have gone extreme and are nuts. But, going to the gym is certainly not nuts. There are degrees of this, and as I said in R117, there are fairly small things you can do that will make a big difference in how you are perceived. Will it make you look like a super masc4masc alpha stud marine bro? I doubt it. That's literally a character. When I used to do standup, that was a character I did "Wayne from Bally Total Fitness" - the overzealous membership services rep / personal trainer. Funny enough, some of my gay friends would tell me that I should act like that all the time and it was really hot. I couldn't do it for more than 2 minutes in reality without laughing my ass off at how fake it was.

Troll

I'm starting to think that gay voice is unconscious submissive posturing. Some say it's because gay men pick up this way of speaking from women but only certain kinds of women speak this way.

sometimes a high pitched voice is a sign of internalized fear (subconscious, of course)

go to cuba and you will see that most straight guys pluck their eyesbrow, dye their hair, wear clothes with flowers etc if only we could determine what type of mucous a person prefer to swallow, those squirted by pussies or by cocks just by the way he/she dresses up.

i never knew that in order for me to be masculine, which im 200% i had to lick pussy, feel body parts that i wasnt born with, such as pussies, breasts, and exchange them for my masculine set of body parts( penis, balls, body smell etc) like the so called masculine straight guys do,just so that they are considered "real men"( whatever that means) by society. no masculine MALE would ever have inclinations to cope a feel of body parts that they were not born with and least of all borrow them from another distint sexual group that they dont belong to, and on top of that, the very silly machos, even consider their femine partners as their "other halves" , as extensions,as their same flesh or " as one body". heterosexuality is an affeminacy and an indicator of sexual passivity, dont let the heterosexual agenda convince you otherwise. these heterosexual clowns are intelligently and deceptively induced by very ancient social and psychological forces with an agenda to make them demonstrate how masculine they are just by doing things that are more in tune with hermaphrodite tendencies than with actual masculinity.

R167 Your lower case "i" explains it all.

R167, are you channeling Gore Vidal (Myra Breckinridge)?

R167... what?

Watch and learn.

(R150) I saw that documentary. That guy has terrible taste in home and fashion.

The guy at R150 looks disgusting.

Try this

Asshole bumping four year old threads.

OP Don't ever on any account watch yourself on video. You won't be able to unsee your effeminate gestures. Trust me, I mean, trust a friend of mine who was traumatized when he did that one time.

That is not uncommon. I’ve heard many guys say that

OP, think about how you walk. Not your feet or hips, your arms. Make sure you don't swing them. It's a giveaway we're gay.

Don’t. Be yourself.

Just tone it down. At the A.A. meetings I went to, I would volunteer to do the lengthier readings that were repeated at every meeting. I would lose the inflections and sing song that I noticed on other readers. I recorded some of them on the phone and was quite happy with the results.

How is your addiction issue, r180?

How depressing that this is what we think about ourselves.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to be masculine

A 2016 bump? Progress from 2015, I suppose. Is the troll working chronologically?

R12 was so straight-acting in 2016 he couldn't even spell "effeminate."

Taking that purse out of your mouth would be a great start!

R183

Yes there is. Pretending to be something you’re not has a psychological toll and is not healthy and is cringe. Many of these “masc” gays are faking it. It’s no wonder the gay community has so many issues with self-esteem, confidence, addiction, image issues, mental illness, etc. We not only have to deal with straights judging us, but also cruel gays who should be our allies and accept us for who we are.

Haven’t had a drop since I quit, r181.

Thanks for asking.

Haven’t had a drop since I quit, r181.

Thanks for asking.

Cool

R107 Wow old thread. I’m the guy who recommended foot rolling.

Guess I was really unclear. I meant it as in relax your foot while walking. Let it roll from heel to toes. Heavy heel to the floor.

Actually, relax everything and you’re good.

Start picking your nose and eating your boogers OP. That's usually a sure sign of heterosexuality.

Don’t flame.

Yeah just be cool and chill

Movie

I'm a relatively masculine gay guy (a former straight manager told me that there was nothing outwardly gay about me) and my advice is to be yourself---don't put yourself through painful contortions to appear more masculine. I think some guys intentionally create a gay persona, but this doesn't sound like you. You can always observe how straight guys act (just don't make it seem like you're checking them out sexually) and maybe adopt some of that--but it shouldn't be difficult and shouldn't look like an act--if it is or does it's not for you, because it really isn't you.