Which was the SEXIEST actor of Old Hollywood?

Robert Mitchum and William Holden should be on any list.

Although I just saw Holden in Our Town (1940) and, man he was a dopey looking kid.

Burt

Montgomery Clift, so sweet.

ERROL FLYNN

When Anthony Perkins was young, he was as hot as hell.

Steve McQueen. Beautiful not, but one of the sexiest, yes.

Brando

One more for Marlon.

Well, Yul.

Paul Newman

I think for sexiest screen performance by an actor EVER, it has to be Brando in Streetcar (as proven by r7 and r8).

Paul Newman in The Long Hot Summer might just be second (I don't think r10 is from that. Newman is even sexier in TLHS.)

Other Montgomery Clift

Brando ^^

Burt Lancaster

He also had the most interesting movie career.

Sweet Smell Of Success, The Swimmer, Separate Tables, Atlantic City, Kiss The Blood Off My Hands, All My Sons, The Rainmaker, The Leopard, The Crimson Pirate, Jim Thorpe - so many great movies, some of them were made by his production company.

Sexy Bastard!

Richard Burton's stare was like an invitation for SEX.

Dead guys are sooo hot.

One more dead guy, for R16. Hot Rock.

Guy Madison, when he was young.

Apish Charlton Heston.

Why wasn't there every a male equivalent of Marilyn Monroe? In her lifetime and even today she gets put on a pedestal as the ultimate sex symbol.

Ugly but sexy

Ernest Borgnine hands down baby!!!!

It's a pity Cary and Gregory aren't being mentioned, but I get why that is.

Robert Mitchum is so fuckin' rapey - in a very good way.

Who's the French one - NOT Chevalier, but I remember reading here that Chevalier put the moves on him, and this guy declined. Same era, sexy gravelly voice. I think he did a movie with Ingrid???

Charles Boyer!!

Finally remembered! I kept thinking his name was Maurice Dubois, but that was his character's name in an I Love Lucy guest appearance - and when I googled that, it came up with a current anchorman ( though handsome, himself!)

Are you referring to Charles Boyer, or to Yves Montand, R24?

I love you, R22!

Charles, R26 - and thanks!

Randolph Scott. He had a long face with a strong chin that on a woman would be considered horsey and unattractive. On a man like Scott it was very sexy. Even when he got older he was still a good looking man, rugged and chiseled.

Cary Grant was a lucky man.

Wait - did Chevalier put the moves on Yves Montand, as well, R26?!

Oh, okay, R25, lol, we replied simultaneously. Charles Boyer, d'accord!

I have no idea, sorry R29! Perhaps...who knows.

Interesting choice, R28.

An actor who i find very sexy is...Stewart Granger. I also loved his voice.

Mediocre actor, but handsome and hot:

Another vote for William Holden.

[quote]It's a pity Cary and Gregory aren't being mentioned, but I get why that is.

I'm guessing Cary Grant, but Gregory who?

Also, what do you mean by you "get why that is'?

A name that's usually omitted from a list of sexy actors -- Robert Taylor.

R33, i believe that our friend was talking about gorgeous Gregory Peck.

R35 but why did he say that he 'gets' why they haven't been mentioned?

I think, he just tried to be polite, R36!

Anyway, if he wants to give a further answer, he will. I cannot speak on his behalf.

R37 thanks, anyway.

Another vote for the incredible Guy Madison

I'm not sure that Anthony Perkins would be considered sexy. I think boyishly handsome is more like it.

More Guy for you guys.

Robert Wagner was not only handsome, but also very sexy.

I hope he didn't kill Natalie.

Tony Curtis...

I guess I'm showing my age, but I don't consider most of these guys to be "Old Hollywood." My definition would include stars whose heyday was the '30s to the early '50s.

Another vote for Paul

And one for Peter

R46 he died over two years ago.

other, for Paul Newman and Gregory Peck

There was a time when Old Hollywood simply would have wanted to bend over.

Describe a sexier scene from those days than William Holden's dance with Kim Novak in "Picnic." I love Montgomery Clift, but not even the "Tell Mama everything" scene with Elizabeth Taylor is more sensual.

R49 Keanu was so hot in the '90s. *sigh*

But Mitchum was one of the few who actually looked like he knew how to fuck, that he enjoyed it, that he wouldn't leave a partner unsatisfied, and he wouldn't run out the door when it was over.

So many of the others seemed shallow, all looks and no substance, or sexually incompetent.

Not Bob!

Gary. Gary Cooper. Oh, yeah!

Mitchum was the ugliest thing on the face of this planet. That ugly bitch should be beaten to death mercilessly

"Rapey in a very good way" R 24? Fuck off. Lancaster, Holden, Cooper are all sexy. Joel McCrea was cute. Gene Kelly was handsome. Brando was over ripe.

R54 sexy doesn't necessarily mean handsome.

R55 what does overripe mean in this instance?

I think Anthony Perkins should have received more votes. He was truly sexy, when he was young. He just didn't age that well.

Totally agree about Perkins. Most people have only seen him in Psycho and the films that came after when he always seemed creepy. I think because of his closeted homosexuality, he was never happy appearing in a sexual role of any kind.

But in the 1950s, he was really a unique beauty. Kind of the male counterpart to Audrey Hepburn.

Alain Delon...all that and he could act.

Sean Connery

[quote]But in the 1950s, he was really a unique beauty. Kind of the male counterpart to Audrey Hepburn.

R59 yes! Perkins was like the counterpart to Audrey Hepburn, looks-wise. Good comparison.

Newman, because no matter what film you're watching, you think you're looking at him at the height of his beauty. He just never had an ugly phase, even when he was in his 70's he looked like he was ready to fuck your wheels off.

And neither Perkins or Audrey were sexy.

Brando, Newman, Sidney Poitier, Joseph Cotten and James Cagney get my vote. Sexy is not primarily about handsome, though Newman was both.

Another vote for Guy Madison. WOW!

FUN FACT: Before he was an actor, Robert Mitchum worked in a Lockheed plant with James Dougherty, Marilyn Monroe's first husband. Incidentally, Dougherty also went to high school with Jane Russell. Both Mitchum and Russell would later co-star with Marilyn in THE RIVER OF NO RETURN and GENTLEMEN PREFER BLONDES, respectively.

Guy Madison was the prettiest then it's a tie between Gregory Peck and Gary Cooper. I think Gary wins by an inch as his cock size is legendary. Gary could walk down the street today just like this.

Well hung rough trade Lex Barker

Keri Long

Sharing a board with Walt Covert

Rory Calhoun was hot as fuck too.

John Cassavetes.

Sex on a stick.

Why does everyone call Tony Perkins, Anthony?

R 57, Brando never appealed because he was just too over the top, too obvious, the sneer, the cigarette, the tee shirt, the leather jacket. I know that was the role in Streetcar, and know that's why lots of posters like him, but I find something a more subtle to be sexier.

Of course, I wholeheartedly agree with those who mentioned Burt Lancaster, Paul Newman and Marlon Brando. However, I also want to mention the French actor Louis Jourdan...

Another photograph of Louis Jourdan...

R73 that's his name and he went professionally by 'Anthony Perkins.' His friends/family/costars called him 'Tony.' That's like Robert DeNiro being called 'Bob' by his intimates.

Charles Bronson who I think was underappreciated as an actor.

The thing about sexiness is that it can't always be captured by the camera, especially a still photograph. I've known several men who were sexy in person -- be it their personality, swagger, smile, je ne sais quoi -- but it didn't often translated to pictures.

R77, I understand. But when he worked - during the course of his entire career - EVERYBODY called him Tony. The public called him Tony.

Another French actor, Jacques Bergerac...

James Garner

Marlon!

Holy shit:

I agree with Brando trying too hard to be cool and sexy. Never understood his appeal.

More Marlon!

Enough with the Marlon.

Marlon

Robert Redford

Another vote each for Gary Cooper, Guy Madison, and Charles Heston.

I haven't seen anyone mention (young) Robert Conrad yet.... The man absolutely ooooooozed "sex". I was almost overwhelmed with feelings I didn't remotely understand in early adolescence when I saw this show.....

Charleton Heston I meant.

Johnny Weissmuller. No kidding.

All Conrad oozed was midget.

Guy Madison

I second the poster that mentioned Robert Conrad. You hit the nail on the head! He was far before my time - but the first time I saw him on tv, he literally was sex on a stick. During his prime, everything about him was gorgeous - that face, that BUTT, that body, eyes, hair..... To this day, I have never seen a sexier actor. He is in a class all his own.

Franklin Pangborn

Cute Coop.

Valentino. Also Tyrone Power and Henry Fonda.

I have to give it up to young (way pre-tubbo) Brando though. He was sexy as hell.

[quote]Franklin Pangborn

Rowr!

Clint Eastwood

Jeffrey Hunter

Cary Grant without question.

Steve Cochran

Douglas Fairbanks, Jr.

wasn't that familiar with Guy Madison or Robert Conrad before this thread but damn

* Cary Grant was too fey and fucked-up off screen, and not just by Randolph Scott - who was a infinitely nicer and more balanced person.

* Paul Newman's penis was too small.

* Marlon had major issues, including mother issues.

* Gary Cooper was a ridiculous looking string bean when beyond a carefully framed camera lens.

* Guy Madison was too busy fucking Rory Calhoun to care about you.

You were better off fucking one of the extras.

Hugh O'Brian. Woof!

Rock, Cary and Paul were all handsome as they come but none were particularly "sexy" to me. Hard to imagine bending them over...

How could I forget John Gavin?

Nice body.

R110 bending them over what?

John Gavin in Spartacus...

I really want to see this movie!

Hehe!

John Garfield

For me it's Gary Cooper.

I would want to fuck Marlon Brando, but Gary Cooper seems like the kinda guy you would want to marry and make love to for life. I don't get out much.

I blew Yves Montand one time.

At first this thread was OLD Hollywood, but now it seems to be moving into the 60s and 70s... which means that Robert Conrad should win it all....

Check out this page for more Rc

Who wouldn't stop for Clift?

Steve Reeves

Tab Hunter for me.

I've recently learned of Douglass Montgomery. He was an actor during the early years of Hollywood and worked with Joan Crawford, Gloria Swanson and Katharine Hepburn. Is anyone here familiar with him? He was handsome with aristocratic looks and quite sexy in my opinion, especially in this photograph.

Ed Fury (front)

Ed Fury (rear)

R115 what movie?

R128 good one! There are several nude (including frontal) of Ed Fury, but this is my favorite.

Ed Fury was a fantasy fuck! Thx :) Oh, to have porked that plump booty.....sigh.

Do some of you even know who most of these guys are?

Tyrone Power

Tyrone Power was at his sexiest in R133's movie, "the Black Swan".

If were talking sexy, then Brando at his best has them all beat. Which is why he was so perfect as the very sexual Stanley Kowalski.

Other sexy men: Errol Flynn, Richard Burton, Charlton Heston, James Dean, Paul Newman, Steve McQueen. Nobody has yet mentioned Clark Gable, but he was in his prime considered sex on a stick.

Gary Cooper was good looking but not sexy. Same with Robert Taylor and Anthony Perkins and Robert Redford and Montgomery Clift. None of them had that sexual quality.

John Payne. Of course.

Google "John Payne Shirtless" for a treat.

He was sexy when he was young and he stayed sexy for a long, long, long time.

Burt Lancaster!!! He walking sex. He's so underappreciated And wasn't he rumored to be bi?

Charles Farrell was so dreamy in those silent films with Janet Gaynor.

GUY MADISON should be in the running !

With that tousled hair that looked like he just rolled out of bed.

R135, you might reconsider Clift, here with John Ireland--about as homoerotic as Hollywood got in 1948 other than Rope. Maybe it took another man to bring Clift out...

We almost got a glimpse of Little Chuckie.

Lancaster had gay friends left and right, I am sure he was at least bi. He had an almost animalistic sex appeal.

HUGH O'BRIAN definitely belongs in the running too

DANA ANDREWS was hot but like FLYNN alcohol abuse ruined his looks early on.

So many to choose from. I started getting into silent movies a few years ago and was surprised by the number of good looking men who starred but are mostly forgotten to today's audiences.

ERROL FLYNN, in his prime...

I would loved to have had weird kinky sex with James Dean. If he were alive today he would probably be into meth ..

R148

You're right. Like a RIVER PHOENIX, I think that regardless of which decade he had lived in, JAMES DEAN was not long for this world.

I don't agree that Gary Cooper wasn't sexy. He had a ruggedly handsome sex appeal. He embodied masculine sexiness.

I can't believe no one has mentioned me.

Oh God, you are right, R151, we forgot him. George Nader was an absolute hottie. Very charming.

R97--bahaha. Stephen Boyd...sexy bottom

Only at the DL, R137.

Aldo Ray when he kept his mouth shut.

OP's photo of Dean looks like a little boy playing dressup for Halloween.

Also, Rod Taylor...YUM

Clint Walker

R154 what was wrong with his mouth? Bad teeth?

^ Let's try that again.

Clint

Apparently, R158, you have never heard Aldo Ray's voice.

R158 R161 Or listened as he tried to put together a sentence

JEFF RICHARDS was another hunk

The incredibly sexy Andy Devine.

ED FURY, shown here from the 1955 JOAN CRAWFORD film FEMALE ON THE BEACH. Man, he was gorgeous !!

STEVE REEVES was very handsome and had a body like no other !

ROGER MOORE was also very handsome, almost pretty though like JOHN DEREK

ALAIN DELON circa 1962

PHILIPPE FORQUET around 1964

WARREN BEATTY wasn't too shabby !

CLARK GABLE

CRAWFORD said that part of his sex appeal was that he was exceptionally masculine. Some, CRAWFORD said," like ROBERT TAYLOR was just masculine enough to be called macho but when CLARK walked onto the lot you could hear his balls clanging together !"

Paul Newman in The Long, Hot Summer...

Clint Walker always looked like he was too stupid too talk, too clumsy to walk, and too goofy to be sexy.

CONNERY was all man, very sexy

And yes, I type like Clint Walker, too.

I always loved him

"A Streetcar Named Desire" is on TCM tonight. I'm not going to miss it; it featured Brando at his sexy peak.

R176 I'll trade you a DYN-O-MITE for a Daynamite!

I worded that wrong, but you get my gist. Sorry, I'm tired.

If only Greg Evigan didn't have that floppy blow-dried 80s haircut.

I always find it fascinating how Warren Beatty is left off or a come-lately on these hot lists. He was certainly one of the handsomest men ever in Hollywood and unquestionably a very sexual heterosexual yet he never really allowed himself to be very sexual in his film performances.

Am I wrong?

Warren Beatty never gave a film performance before Bugsy. He just squints and occasionally parts those beautiful lips. The reason he is low on these lists is because he projects no sexual energy or menace or lust. Beatty on screen is very constricted and a bit wispy and juvenile. He has some charm but never revealed himself in any role. I'm a dude and I get that we are visually stimulated, but so many responses on this thread are prescribed beefcakes or Cary Grant. YUK. Sexy is about much more than a profile or chest hair. Beatty was handsome, but never sexy. Same with women - beauty doesn't automatically equate with sexy.

Where da Peckster on that poll? Gregory Peck

R182

Women loved BEATTY back in the 60s & 70s. JFK had even joked to a contemporary that JACKIE was "ga ga about this WARREN BEATTY"

Errol Flynn

R184, when Rex Reed did his 1966 profile of Warren Beatty, he had trouble finding people who knew who Beatty was. I believed him - then

Chuck Woolery...thread closed

I think Beatty reveals himself in Bonnie & Clyde. He's very passive and sultry, like a female in a male body. That's the sexuality that comes through in all of his films, I think -- transsexual.

Someone's watching tattletales.

R182 what's wrong with Cary Grant?

R188 how do you mean he 'reveals'himself?

As a kid, I got an intense erection while watching a shirtless Robert Mitchum in "Cape Fear".

R191, I should have referenced R182's comment about Beatty, specifically:

[quote]He has some charm but never revealed himself in any role.

Who knows, but I think the way Beatty portrays Clyde's sexuality in Bonnie & Clyde has a kind of authenticity that struck me as a window into Beatty's nature.

Has Beatty ever played a torrid love scene as the top?

Wasn't Beatty sexy in Shampoo when he played a stud hairdresser a la Jon Peters?

R195, again, it seemed like he was the passive stud servicing all the aggressive, pampered rich ladies.

R194, exactly -- I can't think of one. In movies like The Roman Spring of Mrs. Stone, Splendor in the Grass or even Reds, he's not the assertive one.

No. He wasn't sexy, He just played a male slut. What Beatty always gives off on film and in life is latent homosexual. That's not sexy unless Brando is playing it. Beatty is very passive on film, an object of desire. He drove Natalie Wood to suicide and Dunaway to a life of crime and certain death and Diane Keaton to trek across the tundras and forsake her children. It is hard to understand why, he is such a small presence, no light emanates from him, never mind heat.

In Mrs Soffel, when Diane Keaton leaves her husband (the warden) and deserts her children and the bible to break MEL GIBSON out of prison to run away with him, we understand why. (She has spoken of the rapture of kissing him) Yes she loved Beatty in real life and Beatty has starred in some great romantic films, but he was lucky to have Natalie Wood and Dunaway and Taylor and Keaton and Leigh to make him seem desirable beyond his callow countenance.

I agree that Clint Walker was sexy in a very subdued way and handsome. He was 6'6" tall.

With Beatty, the lights are on, but nobody is home.

Case in point...

There are 3 versions of essentially the same movie:

(1939) Love Affair with Charles Boyer and Irene Dunne

(1957) An Affair to Remember with Cary Grant and Deborah Kerr

(1994) Love Affair with Warren Beatty and Annette Benning

In each film, there is a pivotal emotional scene at the end of the movie that should have viewers reaching for the box of tissues.

Boyer's face shows shock, but just a touch of happiness to discover how wrong he has been about Irene Dunne.

Grant's face shows pain and sadness, but happiness too to know the reason for Kerr's behavior.

Beatty's face shows nothing. Nada. Nobody home. Benning is doing her bit, but Warren is just not there.

I've seen all 3 movies and enjoyed seeing the choices Boyer and Grant made as to how to play that key scene.

When I saw the 1994 film, I was angry at the total letdown due to such an inferior, essential non performance by Beatty.

He's a lousy actor.

WARREN BEATTY has something.

The first 'name' he was with was JANE FONDA; he dumped her for (then) bigger name and sexier JOAN COLLINS. The two were even engaged for a bit and unfortunately COLLINS had an abortion due to an unwanted pregnancy. After COLLINS, he moved onto NATALIE WOOD. Though the two were together on and off for 4 years he was a pig: One night the two were out having dinner somewhere (Chasen's maybe ?) and halfway through the meal he excused himself to go to the men's room. When he hadn't returned to their booth after 20 minutes, NATALIE sent a waiter after him to make sure he was ok. Turned out WARREN had propositioned the coat check girl to quit on the spot and go with him for a hot fuck, leaving a humiliated WOOD alone.

After NATALIE, he romanced LESLIE CARON who left her husband & children for him ! Six years older than WARREN she grew incensed a year later when he flat out told her she was too old to play Bonnie in his big project of 1967. After CARON he had a long on again, off again affair with JULIE CHRISTIE who didn't get bent out of shape as WARREN screwed around on the side with other women including the usually chaste MICHELLE PHILLIPS. After CHRISTIE there was DIANE KEATON, CARLY SIMON, ISABELLE ADJANI amongst allegedly thousands of others before he ended up with ANNETTE BENNING.

Calm down R201. I think anyone posting on this thread knows of Beatty's reputation and success with women in his personal life. He is infamous for his tireless pursuit and pleasuring of women. He had dick and tricks and stamina and juggled multiple women at once for decades. We are discussing his screen presence and persona. Not sexy. Maybe he was tired.

R196 could you elaborate further?

R201 how come Dunaway and Beatty never shacked up?

For R203...

R204...

[quote] Still friendly with Natalie Wood, Beatty wanted her for the part of Bonnie, but director Arthur Penn didn't want a star. Jane Fonda said no. Tuesday Weld said no. Ann-Margret said no. Sharon Tate said no. Natalie Wood said no again. According to Beatty, "I was turned down by every living actress." After seeing her onstage, it was Penn who found Faye Dunaway, and photos taken by Curtis Hanson secured her the role. Somehow, Warren kept his hands off her. Dunaway felt that if they were not platonic, it would ruin the film. A friend of Beatty's submitted in Suzanne Finstad's biography that "Warren didn't do it with Faye because Clyde was supposed to be impotent."

What the hell was Ann-Margret so busy with in 1966 that she turned down Warren Beatty and Bonnie & Clyde?

R207, here's one explanation (from the People Magazine archive)...

[quote]It was Carr who in 1967 told her husband, actor Roger (77 Sunset Strip) Smith, "This girl you love has career problems." And indeed she had. In the early 1960s she was a "bankable" box-office name comparable only to Jerry Lewis and Elvis. But then she went into eclipse, turning down substantial roles in Cat Ballou and Bonnie and Clyde for better paying but bad films.

Don't forget Ramon Novarro. I'd fuck him.

Young Oliver Reed, gentleman thug.

How ironic that the Bette Davis icon popped up next to Oliver Reed. They battled on and off the set of "Burnt Offerings".

Alain Delon is the best looking best actor I know of.

He gives some great performances in some classic films.

Too bad his personal reputation leaves a lot to be desired.

I remember Warren Beatty's reputation with women. He was a constant pussy hound, what we now view as a sex addict. Time and age slowed him down. It's ironic and karmic to know one of his children is gender-confused.

Lars Hanson

Is anyone else in the world with me in not getting any sex appeal at all from James Dean? To me, his personality was just so affected and so sullen that I never found him hot. Not to mention that he looked about 15 or 20 years older than his actual age, I guess due to smoking and hard living.

GUY MADISON again

I don't get James Dean appeal either, R215, although I liked his role in Rebel. Paul Newman makes JD looks like a fawning 12 year old. Newman is 5'9" and towers over him. Dean must have been very short.

R217

Handsome enough face but DEAN always came off like a lost little boy to me. I don't get his alleged appeal.

Here's a pic of JIMMY up in a tree masterbating as you do; well, if you're MICHAEL SKAKEL you might, otherwise ................... nah !!

[quote]Still friendly with Natalie Wood, Beatty wanted her for the part of Bonnie, but director Arthur Penn didn't want a star. Jane Fonda said no. Tuesday Weld said no. Ann-Margret said no. Sharon Tate said no. Natalie Wood said no again. According to Beatty, "I was turned down by every living actress."

Why did they all turn it down? The script was really good. In fact, Francois Truffaut and then Jean-Luc Godard, who were at one point set to direct, both praised it. Were these actresses afraid by the subject matter, since it dealt with a lot of taboos that the Production Code disallowed, e.g. anti-heroes, protagonists breaking the law, humiliating law officers, graphic violence, unmarried sex, impotence.

James Cagney

Warren also dallied with a very young Molly Ringwald according to DL fave Julia Phillips. She met up with Warren at some restaurant and as she was talking to him as they stood near his table she noticed that he was trying to block out the lady sitting with him. But, she says that eventually Molly's "fat little mouth" appeared from behind Warren. Julia also wrote that he asked about Julia's daughter at one point and hinted that they could have a threesome of sorts. Julia said that her daughter was only about 13 at the time and she said to Warren: "We are both too old for you."

Sadly the pic of a naked Jimmy Dean up a tree and a naked Guy Madison immersed in water are not of those guys at all. The Guy Madison is actually a pretty well known "posing strap" era model whose name escapes me as I type. The pics have been misnamed for years. There is also a naked pic of "Aldo Ray" floating around in cyberspace that is wrongly titled.

I wonder if Beatty ended up getting STDs? He fucked so many women. Even when he was with a woman, he was hitting on another one. Would that type of behavior be tolerated today with paps prevalent and social media today? I doubt it. He's be a walking STD Petri dish.

I can't believe you fools think Steve McQueen is sexier than Burt Lancaster!

Burt Lancaster. Those shoulders! OH MY!!!!

Lancaster also was a friends of the gays and a staunch liberal, McQueen was nasty conservative hick.

Count me in as another who never got the James Dean appeal. Especially now in hindsight where his 3 major performances, though perhaps uniquely raw in their time, now come across as very hammy and whiny.

I must have exactly the same cravings as Henry Willson because Tab, Guy, Rory and Ty are exactly what I love. Then again, never been so hot for Rock and certainly never for Troy.

Peter O'Toole

R219

NATALIE didn't want to be away from her analyst for the time that location shooting would've required. Also to the poster who said that she tried to commit suicide over WARREN, no, although he had been to her home earlier that evening. It was a compilation of problems that drove her to desperation.

MART CROWLEY found NATALIE before she had passed out from the overdose in 1966.

R201 / R228, do you not understand yet that we are talking about Warren ON FILM????

Even Elvis idolozed Warren Beatty. I wonder if Elvis had anything to do with Ann Margaret turning down Bonnie and Clyde.

The KING of Hollywood, CLARK GABLE!

Lancaster supposedly swung both ways and was very Liberal but also, sadly, a major prick

[quote]I wonder if Beatty ended up getting STDs? He fucked so many women. Even when he was with a woman, he was hitting on another one. Would that type of behavior be tolerated today with paps prevalent and social media today? I doubt it. He's be a walking STD Petri dish.

I've read lots of blind items about Beatty having a raging case of herpes and giving it to several partners.

R231 that woman with Elvis looks like Hillary Clinton in profile, circa 2000.

R233 why/how was he a prick?

I doubt if you get to Burt's level of power and influence as a star and producer without being a prick.

I assume it comes with the territory.

Sangue freddo the Italians call it.

Montgomery Clift.

From a certain angle Charlie Chaplin was very handsome, and way more powerful than Burt Lancaster

Another great beautiful French actor as magnificent in a swashbuckler as he was in an existential moody drama.

Like Delon I know of no sexy American actor who comes close.

The magnificent Gerard Philipe.

Tyrone Power, most beautiful of the old time actors.

Tyrone Power and Robert Taylor were the pretty boys of old Hollywood for sure. Some of us don't find that sexy, but they were undeniably beautiful. They didn't age well.

Lancaster fought with directors when he was the producer of his own movies, this is not too unusual.

R230

Maybe you are but ...........

Didn't say that in the original posted question did it ?

We ALL are discussing the actors on screen presentations or photos but you KELT. Go jerk off to Beatty somewhere else.

Never found pretty boys like Hudson, Beatty, and Tyrone Power sexy or desirable. Grant is another one though I enjoy his performances enormously.

They look like they'd produce no heat whatsoever.

Some of those silent actors though that people have posted look like they would be the hottest fucks ever.

If you want a good reason why Natalie tried to kill herself, just take a look at "Penelope", the film she was making at the time.

Tyrone Power was only 44 when he died and he still looked mighty doable.

Tyrone Power looked 64 and soft near the time of his death. I wouldn't "do" him.

Wallace Reid (April 15, 1891 – January 18, 1923)[1] was an American actor in silent film referred to as "the screen's most perfect lover"

R241 Nice! I'd love to see what he looks like without the slicked back hair. Not a fan of the Brylcreem look.

Wallace Reid made one of the "Hollywood Babylon" books as an example of bad behavior among the Hollywood stars. Nice picture of him "airing out his basket" though.

"Not just a well-heeled showboat Reid actually understood cars. He knew how to work on cars, he comprehended their mechanics and appreciated their beauty. Before his racing pictures, before traveling to Hollywood, before even working at Vitagraph, Reid wrote about cars for Motor Magazine, covering races, attending car shows and test-driving new models. As a famous actor he made friends with racecar drivers and entered races himself. He was fearless and he was reckless. For those he delighted with his rakish rapidity, there were others he horrified. His abandon was legend. He reportedly crashed his Marmon into a family while hurtling along the Pacific Coast Highway, killing a father and seriously injuring a mother and child. His passenger, Thomas Ince, suffered a broken collarbone and internal injuries. Wally was fine. He was well connected, well liked and lucky. D.W. Griffith bailed him out of jail. He wasn’t lucky for long. In less than ten years the star of The Roaring Road would be dead. His beloved Marmon didn’t do him in. Morphine did."

Wallace Reid looked like Ryan Gosling

A couple of comments before I name my picks for sexist actors of old Hollywood. 1. Paul Newman was 5'9" my butt. My bud who is 5'9" met him in Chicago in the early 80's at some racing event called him 'tiny'. He was also a very egotistical actor. Not a bad one per se, but one who never made acting choices that would make him personally look bad. (At least not in his own opinion) He was also, by some accounts, vacuous.

2. Robert Redford is in the same league as Beatty--the lights are on but nobody is home. Complete and utter narcissist, acting wise.

Sexiest, best actor: John Garfield. So intense, so full of heart and soul and native intelligence.

Sexiest, hale fellow well met actor: Douglas Fairbanks, Jr. I have no idea why he didn't become a bigger star because he had it all. Looks, charm, talent, and a name.

R255 -- you are seriously asking why the biggest star of his time wasn't a big star? Kind of negates everything else you say.

R256 Doug JUNIOR was not one of the biggest stars of his time. He never quite made it to the heights of his Gunga Din co-star Cary Grant.

However, that is not to say that i did not thoroughly enjoy his work in the early 30's. There is one called Scarlet Dawn in which Doug JUNIOR plays an Imperial soldier on the eve of the Russian Revolution. His part is nakedly sexual, very hot and he looks good enough to eat.

Douglas Fairbanks Jr. never reached the heights of a Clark Gable or Cary Grant because he never really was interested in a career in acting. He fell into acting because it was the family business, but he had other, "nobler" pursuits--the arts, literature, politics, business and finance. First wife Joan Crawford grew bored with him because he didn't share her single-minded passion for stardom.

R259 he was certainly a very interesting, well rounded man which isone reason why he is so attractive. His attitude towards fame makes him sexiest still. Joan was an idiot. Mean as hell to boot.

R251, Tyrone Power and Henry Fonda in Jesse James.

He was so beautiful, men and women would threw themselves at him. His affairs with women and famous actresses were numerous as well as rumors with actors (Rock). As someone said, he didn't age well, he died when he was 44. Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp at 44 were in their prime.

David Janssen had sex appeal.

Gary Cooper.

Fredric March. Terrific actor and eminently fuckable.

The Coop and Fredric March made such an attractive pair in DESIGN FOR LIVING that I kept wishing they'd dump the bitch and realize they belonged together.

I read Wallace Reid's biography. It was very interesting. He really is considered the first screen heartthrob. Before he went into acting he also went out to live in, what was still, a pretty wild west when he was young. I also read Roman Navarro's biography. It was pretty good too. I didn't really read them simply for the biographies but for the silent screen era history. It's hard to find books on that era for some reason.

It was a really interesting time. California was still pretty much an orange grove. So you had all of these young, highly baid, pretty actors and actresses. With money to burn. The press was not hot on their private lives yet. It was a world of debauchery.

Robert Mitchum. All man. He was busted for smoking herb in the 50's and went to jail. I imagine him getting serviced plenty while he was in but that's just fantasy. Pre-internet, I would pleasure myself whenever Cape Fear was on TV.

Brando was the greatest -- but nobody was better looking (or maybe just more my type epitomized) than Tab Hunter. Unreal. And on our team!

I'd have gladly paid to be part of a Tab and Tony three-way had I been born much earlier.

The sexiest actor I've ever seen is George O'Brien in Sunrise. He was big, beefy and super masculine....his love scenes are so beautiful...lots of animal magnetism. Here's a taste at about 1:30. He lost it all as talkies came in.

Tab Hunter had botox skin and Hillary Clinton bug eyes. Troy was much hotter.

I was embarrassingly attracted to Robert Walker in Strangers On A Train.

I would imagine that one of the reasons Doug Fairbanks Jr. didn't become a major star is that his urbane (and somewhat effete) type went out of style by the mid-1930s when more macho types like Gable, Spencer Tracy and John Wayne took over the classic leading man roles. Same with Robert Montgomery, who had been MGM's biggest male star until Gable replaced him.

Of course, there were a few exceptions like Cary Grant who was the brilliant comedian Fairbanks could never be. And Robert Taylor, who mostly was just a co-star to bigger female talents.

Another Robert Taylor type -co- star to bigger female talents--whom I always admired was Melvyn Douglas. Very urbane, sexy, a great talent. Wonderful voice! Actors don't have good voices anymore.

R269, why'd he lose it all when talkies came? Did he speak with a lisp?

I'd say George O'Brien was sexy. In a big way!

As for O'Brien's career... IMDB shows him working steadily through the 1940's. Then it tapers off and ends in 1964.

Pretty sure he could talk just fine.

Fairbanks Jr is hot as hell in Zenda though still no match for stardom as the others of the same time including the star of the film Ronald Colman.

It was Fairbanks Sr who was one of the biggest stars ever along with Pickford and Chaplin.

Many people say we cannot appreciate today the effect they had on the worldwide population when going to the movies was like breathing oxygen.

Pic of Doug Jr. with Joan and Mary Pickford at Pickfair. (Later to be demolished by Pia Zamora of all people)

Zamora= Zadora.

R278 Joan looks starstruck of Mary.

She apparently felt looked down upon there according to the dozens of books I have read on her. She was in the very best houses "for their very best insults" to quote Crystal the Shopgirl.

To be fair, she kinda was Crystal the shopgirl.

Douglas Fairbanks Jr found himself named in a very scandalous affair back in the 60's. Looking back on it now, it seems so trivial, but it was headlines back then. The Polaroids of the scene have disappeared or else they are being held under lock and key by someone.

In his biography, Douglas mentions a confrontation that happened in a car as he was driving Clifton Webb to a dinner. Clifton made a pass at Douglas by putting his hand of Doug's thigh and expressed his deep admiration for Doug in flowery terms. Sadly, Doug writes, that he was so surprised by this that he burst out laughing and offended Clifton so deeply that Clifton made him stop the car so he could get out and walk the rest of the way to the dinner. They didn't speak again for years but eventually reconciled.

Don't insult shop girls by comparing them to darling Joan. Joan Crawford was a whore. That was her talent and profession.

"My son's current chorus-girl fling," sniffed Junior's mother, Anna Beth Sully, when Douglas started dating Joan.

So Mary Pickford was Doug Jr's step-mother, right?

R286 even better -- his REAL mom! I was shocked, too. Talk about Hollywood royalty. The two biggest movie stars of their day, and their child also later achieves fame and success as an actor, although not to the extent of his parents.

I heard Pickford was a real cunt, but Doug Sr was very cool. I think I read that in a Chaplin book about the founding of United Artists.

No, Pickford was Doug Jrs' stepmom and it was Sr. who was the cunt. He wouldn't allow Mary more than 1 cocktail and many other draconian rules to preserve his wife's modesty. Linked is a fascinating history of Pickfair--and Hollywood the city, with many great photos---which also tells of the famous couple and their eventual disintegration.

R245

Hey Douche- look at these posts. They're talking about actors of old Hollywood. They're not writing how so and so looked in this movie or that.

No KELT, R245 was correct. You do go on about the old stars and the coloreds. Did you start any race baiting threads this weekend? Don't you have a lynching or cross burning to attend? Yo a lil bitch. Just cuz you don't sign your posts don't mean I can't smell you KELT. We'd beat your ass dead where I come from. You're that guy, KELT.

R291

Uh huh. where ya's from cupcake ?

Let's get back to business, shall we? A young Robert Mitchum...

Victor Mature was sex on a stick and brought a certain vulnerability to his macho Hollywood roles, most notably, Samson and Delilah and My Darling Clementine...

Francis Lederer was one of the sexiest actors in the 30's. He continued teaching his acting classes past his 100th birthday.

It's hysterical how posters here try to convince each other that their favorite is THE GUY, when all this is about is personal taste. Calling somebody a douche or stupid because their taste differs from yours is 9 yo level maturity. Some of you guys are just wound too tight.

Young Gary Cooper was stunning.

Not sure how much of an actor he was but Buster Crabbe was hot as fuck.

I'd say it was probably Leif Garrett or Lance Kerwin.

r297 , Gary Cooper looks like a Kansas City faggot in that photo.

It's eyeliner and pancake makeup they used back in the old days, R300.

I think he's sexy as hell in that pic. Those eyes!

r301 then in that case I'll fuck 'em.

R276 [quote]As for O'Brien's career... IMDB shows him working steadily through the 1940's. Then it tapers off and ends in 1964. Pretty sure he could talk just fine.

No, you're wrong. O'Brien could only get a few bit parts after WWII. The only starring role after the early 1940s was a cheapie with the 3Stooges in 1951. From then on, he never worked in films again until a bit part in 1964. In the 1930s he was still popular and worked steadily, but he did mostly low budget westerns. Quite a far cry from the starring roles in big budget blockbusters of the 1920s.

The sexiest of the old-time actors was Clark Gable....tall, handsome, masculine and sexy.

..and there was Cary Grant

r304, go fuck yourself. I'm not "wrong." I specifically referred to O'Brien's credits in imdb.

A previous post stated "He lost it all as talkies came in." imdb credits him with 85 acting credits. 26 of them - less than a third - come from 1927 (the year The Jazz Singer debuted) or before.

His greatest success may have come during the silent era, but obviously he did not lose it "all." You do not understand the career of George O'Brien, or perhaps you are merely a poor writer, unable to express yourself with accuracy.

George O'Brien did no worse than any other male star of the Silent Era throughout the 1930s and onwards.

As a matter of fact, the only genuine stars I can think of who really continued their careers at the top into Talkies were all female: Greta Garbo, Norma Shearer and Joan Crawford. I guess Chaplin did to a certain degree but his politics and disinterest kept getting in the way.

R308 William Powell. He was a silent star and then became even bigger post-talkies, in the thirties and forties.

Think of the fun Crawford must have had in the sack with 19-year-old Douglas Fairbanks, Joan being 3-5 years older, depending on which birthdate you believe.

William Powell was downright homely, yet he was married to Carole Lombard and engaged to Jean Harlow.

Powell was homely but his charm and charisma were off the charts.

Not sure if there was anybody else like him.

Gable I always enjoy and is an excellent actor holding his own against great Brits like Laughton and Leigh.

Yet for some reason I never found him sexually attractive though I understand how others would.

I totally get Colbert saying when he took off his shirt in front of her in It Happened One Night she felt nothing while he had women in movie audiences swooning.

Farley Granger in the 1950s.

Turhan Bey.

Farley was lovely in Rope.

R307You do not understand the career of George O'Brien, or perhaps you are merely a poor writer, unable to express yourself with accuracy.

Read Darcy O'Brien's book about his family.

George O'Brien only in his 20s, starred in "Noah's Ark", the biggest budget blockbuster of it's time and in "Sunrise", considered one of the finest films ever made.

But just a few years later, he was doing B-grade RKO oaters.

If Robert DeNiro had gone from "The Godfather" to doing TV soap operas, any of us here would say he "lost it all".

His first talky was a bomb. His heavily accented "street style" voice didn't help. His acting style didn't transition well to the more naturalistic style of the talkies.

He was popular in the 30s but only in grade B westerns, and even then, not as big as Tom Mix, Johnny Mack Brown, Roy Rogers etc. He got those parts because he was one of the few actors that could actually ride and do stunts (he started as a stuntman).

R280, Joan looks like she wants to make Mary

Only briefly in Hollywood, French actor Jean Gabin. Not classically handsome but oh la la.

Long forgotten Jack Buetel was the co-star along with Jane Russell in the Howard Hughes titfest "The Outlaw." Handsome Jack did little else of note and some recent tidbits about him may explain the reason why. It seems that Hughes allegedly became enamored with Jack and managed to seduce him into a brief relationship (Jack was married.) before cutting him loose. But Jack had signed a long term contract with Hughes and Hughes was able to blacklist him for a long time so Jack wasn't allowed to make other movies for other studios. It effectively killed his career.

He sure was pretty though. Very Tyrone Powerish.

Tab Hunter

[quote] I totally get Colbert saying when he took off his shirt in front of her in It Happened One Night she felt nothing t's

...rumors were that she was a lez and had an affair with Dietrich---like who didn't?

I once read that Gable would shave off all his body hair . . . all of it.

According to Lombard, Gable's cock was on the small side, so perhaps he thought no pubes would make it appear larger.

Allegedly from the mouth of Carole Lombard: "If Clark were a few inches smaller, they'd be calling him the Queen of Hollywood." (Or something like that.)

Pat Robertson: “Orlando Shooting Is God's Punishment for Poster R291 !”

KELT is a poisonous racist and an old movie photo QUEEN. Everyone knows that. R291 did everyone a favor. If you see the names of old movie stars in CAPS, it is KELT. He starts many race baiting threads and loves to call black people monkeys and ni**ers. I thought he was banned from this site. Thanks R291.

John Derek

".rumors were that she (Claudette Colbert) was a lez...."

No rumor. True.

World's shortest short list: those from Hollywood's golden age who didn't have an affair with Dietrich.

Where did she get the time to scrub all those floors?

Well I'm gay and Gable taking off his shirt still means nothing to me.

Now Franchot Tone in Bounty in those transparent white swimming shorts running towards the beach proves there is a God.

Even the straight Thalberg and Louis B knew they had a large gay MGM audience who were marking time waiting for the next Garbo film.

Another recommendation for "Scarlet Dawn".

Doug, Jr> has a shirtless shaving scene where he tries to put the make on his servant girl, Nancy Carroll, when she his bringing him some hot water. They become wrapped in a sheer white curtain which nicely clings to Doug's contours. One of the hottest things I've seen in a movie and from 1932. The Russian style military haircut looks great on Doug, too.

[quote]Powell was homely but his charm and charisma were off the charts.

How do you mean?

William Powell may have made lots of silent films but he was never a star of the era.

R331, watch "The Thin Man", "My Man Godfrey", "Libeled Lady", "Double Wedding", " I Love You, Again", "Love Crazy", "Life With Father" and maybe you'll get it.

At least "My Man Godfrey" and "Libeled Lady"

William Powell delivered the hot sugar daddy thing in "How To Marry A Millionaire" too. He was nicely paired with Betty Perske (Bacall) who was supposed to be 25 in the movie. She looked too old for him!

Nobody mentioned Kirk Douglas so far, LOL!

Gregory Peck, so sexy when he was young and still handsome into middle age.

R325

Bullshit.

R325

must be all dem things-monkey etc

So every winner in the four acting musical categories were black -- Best Actor (HAMILTON), Best Actress (THE COLOR PURPLE), Best Featured Actor (HAMILTON), Best Featured Actress (HAMILTON) -- is that a first?

John Wayne might be up there.

Dirk Diggler

Let's settle this debate once and for all.

Why is someone trying to make Douglas Fairbanks, Jr. happen? Get over it, no one every noticed him except you.

Do I have a good life? I AM the good life.

"The local paper, Winterset Madisonian, reported on page 4 of the May 30, 1907 edition that Wayne weighed 13 pounds at birth"

Kirk Douglas has inverted nipples.

Deal breaking nipples . . .

[quote]Clint Walker always looked like he was too stupid too talk, too clumsy to walk, and too goofy to be sexy.

Clint was a god and just like I like 'em...big, dumb, sweet and stupid.

I like to think Clint is carrying this guy to the bedroom.

[quote]Tyrone Power looked 64 and soft near the time of his death. I wouldn't "do" him.

Agreed , he looked like shit. Shocking amount of aging.

But FUCK, what a looker in his day.

R343 lol dude, nobody is trying to make a dead guy 'happen'. That ship has sailed. I don't know about the others (I was the one who first mentioned Doug Jr. along with John Garfield ) but I am simply asking people to remember him.

The way I remember Douglas Fairbanks Jr.

Gregory Peck was also very liberal, supporting many causes. That makes him more sexy.

Give me a phat ass Republican with strong shoulders, thick thighs and a deep tite hole. Politics don't make anyone more sexy unless U a woman R353. It's ok to want Obama. He's sexy in his way))

LOL good find, R349. Along the same lines, it's fun to imagine a gay subtext the morning after Errol Flynn's Robin Hood spent the night in the Greenwood with Will Scarlet (played by Patric Knowles) and they're looking for a three way in this, my favorite scene from the 1938 classic...

Try watching The Prisoner of Zenda and ignoring Dougie Jr.

It ain't happening.

Much better looking and sexier than his father. Also taller.

Still in no way the star his father was.

The original silent Thief of Bagdad is one of the great films.

R356, Douglas Fairbanks, Jr. in his prime was indeed sexy. I searched for Scarlet Dawn" (1932) online I couldn't find it on any of the usual streaming sites. Any advice for where to find it?

No but the original NY Times review(opened at the Winter Garden!) is on line and Mordaunt Hall who was the first string critic at the time (or at least one of them, so many films were opening during this period) says Jr is a far better actor than Sr. Ouch.

No wonder the two had pretty ambivalent feelings towards one another.

The aging narcissist Fairbanks probably found his handsome young son hard to take.

Scarlett Dawn was directed by William Dieterle. Always a good sign.

Maybe it will show up at FF.

Trailer for Scarlet Dawn. You can watch it on youtube for 2.99

What a hottie Douglas Fairbanks Jr. was, R359!

FAIRBANKS JR was good looking enough.

By the end of the 1920s Fairbanks Sr.'s face looked like a dried up old football. Too much sun exposure.

Did he live long after Mary Pickford divorced him?

Now, Nancy Carroll.....there's a forgotten star! Wasn't she one of the biggest names at the start of the Talkies?

Sr died at 56.

Jr lived to 90 and even as an old man looked distinguished and had his wits about him.

Douglas Fairbanks Jr. and Bradley Cooper have that same hot, weaselly appeal.

Was Fairbanks Jr. the sexiest man Hollywood ever produced? No.

But he was still pretty fucking sexy.

Love that gif, R366. Here are a couple more, of Doug seducing Rita Haworth in Angels Over Broadway. (His best performance imo)

1of 2

2nd gif

Doug Sr. was not thrilled that he had an acting son following him in the business. They had a pretty strained realtionship due mostly to Doug Sr and his jealousy of the kid. They became much better friends as they aged. Doug Jr. always tried to keep in touch with daddy, but was rebuffed a lot.

Doug Sr left Mary Pickford for the slutty Lady Sylvia Ashley who made a career out of marrying rich and famous men. Quite the tart.

Thanks, R358 & R359. Jr. looks really tasty in Scarlet Dawn.

R365 how do you mean'weaselly,' please?

Whoever the Doug Fairbanks Jr. Troll is, you've convinced me! Doug was hot...I'm now a fan!!

[quote]how do you mean'weaselly,' please?

I mean it strictly in a physical sense R371. Both Bradley and Doug Jr. have a "weasel" like appearance. Or more generally, a rodent like appearance.

Characteristics would be a wedge shaped head, smallish, wide set eyes, broad, convex nasal bones and thin mouth. Both are handsome men.

Lets face it..some people look like wolves, birds, foxes, monkeys, pigs,dogs etc. The animal look works on some people and not on others.

Can we abide just one more sexy DFB jr. GIF?

I love it and you're welcome.

R374, that gif is from The Narrow Corner, another of Doug's sexy roles, based on a book by . W. Somerset Maugham

You might appreciate this: (the important part being Shirtless Doug)

I'm so happy DFJ is getting his due. I first saw him in The Prisoner of Zenda and I was enthralled by his charisma and sex appeal. TCM had a DFJ day a few months back, and it was wonderful.

Both Colman and Doug Jr in Zenda are almost too much manly beauty in one film.

You so want them to hate fuck at the end.

Doug Jr. has such a contemporary look in all those gifs. Not so much the grooming as his presence and how he relates to the camera. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah,I know what you mean R379 ....I think it's the gum chewing.

A lot of actors and actresses in the 30s seemed to act a lot more naturally than they did in the 40s and 50s. I think the Depression stripped away a lot of pretense.

He's hardly remembered today but whenever I see an old Robert Ryan movie I can't take my eyes off him. He's not the most handsome man that ever stepped in front of a camera but he's certainly one of the most intense... which to me is more important.

He was sexy in a menancing, slightly psychotic way. When he wore that contemptuous,seething sneer one could never be sure if you were about to be bludgeoned to death or receive the best fucking of your life.

R373, weasels aren't rodents. They are fucking weasels, mustelids. Get it right. Doug jnr was a brilliant guest on a Brit chat show when he was really quite old, still very debonair and sharp.

Totally agree about Robert Ryan R 381. I love William Holden too. Real men.

A conspiracy theory about William Holden's death:

[quote]weasels aren't rodents. They are fucking weasels, mustelids. Get it right.

I never said they were R382. YOU get it right.

If you inferred that I was conflating the two then blame your poor comprehension skills...not me.

Carry on.

I never thought we'd have a DFJ troll. But who am I to judge?

[quote]A conspiracy theory about William Holden's death:

I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but that blogger is trying to turn a box of matches into a lumberyard.

You conflated R385, clearly suggesting that weasel was a sub set of rodent. I comprehend that you are an arse.

Didn't want to start another, new thread on the subject so thought I would post here -- why is that for all of the rumors about Gary Cooper's legendary size, there's not more photos of a big bulge or vpl in any movie scenes, studios stills or especially candid photos?

Seriously r389, it is very disappointing that he wasn't somewhat of a shower. This is really the only pic I have ever seen of him that hints at the alleged serious meat hanging between his legs. Maybe he was embarrassed by it and developed a great tuck game along the way.

Gunga Din is a great movie for the fans of DF Jr but I found the young and swash-buckling Gary Grant much more swoon-worthy.

*Cary Grant

Fairbanks, Jr. isn't my type, but apparently he was Noel Coward's. Fairbanks Jr. was said to be the inspiration for "Mad About the Boy."

Charles Boyer was sexiest by far.

CLARK TINYMEAT GABLE