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How do I hate Windows 10? Let me count the ways…

I need to vent about this steaming turd of an OS, so help me catalogue the reasons why Windows 10 sucks like a Dyson wet dream:

1)tIt takes for-fucking-EVER to load when you start it up

2)tThe graphic themes were obviously inspired by the line drawings of an autistic second grader

3)tIt demands a password from me at startup, even though I’m the only one who uses my computer – never had to do that with any prior version of Windows

4)tHello NSA! Hope you’re enjoying the fisting pron all that spyware is sending directly to your server from my browsing logs! And while you’re at it, could you please look at the routing behind that one check from my Citibank account last month that bounced, you know, the one for the full-release massage? I KNOW it was covered, and I’m pretty sure the bank messed that one up.

What else?

by Anonymousreply 306March 9, 2018 11:13 AM

Sorry about the "t" after every number above -- that must be another Windows 10 bug...

by Anonymousreply 1May 26, 2016 9:39 AM

I did the update on my (work) laptop, and it completely lost all wifi ability. It does not recognize its own wifi ability. POS. Luckily I have a nearby cable wifi access. I gave up. I know by now with Windows I'm just wasting time and probably making it worse. But now it it useless unless I have wired internet access. And yes I've tried all the fixes online that I've found. I'm done, this is my last Windows pc. I hope Apple continues to make good products and doesn't go down that same horrible path.

by Anonymousreply 2May 26, 2016 9:59 AM

You guys have me worried. I have to download it (before July?) soon to get it free. I have waited this long because of the spyware and general fear that it will be a mistake. I have Windows 7 and have no problems with it.

by Anonymousreply 3May 26, 2016 10:12 AM

OP, you should upgrade to XP.

by Anonymousreply 4May 26, 2016 10:18 AM

Fear not, OP. I use my MacBook daily and will concede that I do need to reboot it every few months - even BSD is not without its memory management problems.

If you're a Google Hoe and keep your data in the cloud you can get a Chromebook for <$200.

My parents' Windows 7-now-10 laptop makes me glad I haven't used Windows since the year 2000.

by Anonymousreply 5May 26, 2016 10:21 AM

I upgraded my laptop from windows 8.1 to windows 10 a few months ago and have had no issues. I like it way more than 8.1. I will be upgrading my desktop pc to windows 10 soon.

by Anonymousreply 6May 26, 2016 10:24 AM

It seems like there is no middle ground when upgrading to Win 10. Either it's simple and easy with no problems or a total nightmare of getting compatible drivers and such working.

I don't plan to upgrade. When I went to Win 8 from Win 7, I spent hours updating drivers for my touchpad and such. I'll upgrade my laptop before they stop supporting Win 8.

by Anonymousreply 7May 26, 2016 11:04 AM

I agree - lots not to like about 10. I had it but decided I liked 8.1 better and reloaded. I suppose MSN will force an upgrade at some point - I get at least one insistent upgrade message a day. But right now I'm using both Chrome and 8.1 - they each have their advantages.

by Anonymousreply 8May 26, 2016 11:15 AM

Hate it. Too busy. Who needs all that crap?

by Anonymousreply 9May 26, 2016 11:15 AM

Windows 7 was the best OS Micro$oft ever produced. I tried Windows 10, but the constant phoning home, the Dissociative Identity Disorder interface (some settings must be changed in "Settings" some others in "Control panel"), the automatic updates that never fail to break something and automatic installation of critical apps such as Candy Crush, totally turned me off and I now dual boot into Linux Mint (90% of the time since with Wine you can install Microsoft Office) and 7.

by Anonymousreply 10May 26, 2016 11:32 AM

I wish I knew more about computers and could escape to something like Linux, r10. As it is, I won't go the Apple route because that company wants to own you and all your information just as surely as the NSA does.

If only my partner had the balls to take a chance on continuing with Windows 7 for as long as they're still willing to run it, instead of "upgrading" (Ha!) to 10. Instead, he caved in and loaded it onto our main computer that has all our data files on it, because he was worried about not getting any more security updates for Windows 7 (double Ha!, considering that now all our files are apparently indexed on the NSA's servers).

by Anonymousreply 11May 26, 2016 11:55 AM

Maybe one of those South Asian gentlemen from the Windows service division will call and offer to help. Last time one called me, I corrected him, telling him that he was NOT from the Windows Service division, that he was from some pathetic call center, that I did not even have iIndows, and that perhaps he should go back to having carnal knowledge of his mother, who, no doubt, was busy servicing their entire village. He told me "I was DONE!!!" I have been living in fear ever since.

by Anonymousreply 12May 26, 2016 1:47 PM

Either from an iTunes/iPhone update or a Windows 7 update, my iTunes can't connect to the iTunes store anymore and my Windows 7 computer doesn't recognize my phone - it knows a device is plugged in, says "Trust this device?" and I say "Yes" and they still don't sync up. It's been awful.

I've tried every fix known to Google and I don't feel like spending hours and hours and $$$ at the Apple store.

Someone told me getting Windows 10 will fix this but I am skeptical and have been around enough to know it will likely only make it worse.

by Anonymousreply 13May 26, 2016 1:58 PM

It's not perfect, but it's nowhere near as bad as Windows 8/8.1. Don't know what Microsoft were thinking there.

by Anonymousreply 14May 26, 2016 2:11 PM

Apple Land is not perfect either, but it's a damn sight better than Windows World.

by Anonymousreply 15May 26, 2016 2:13 PM

Why are they so keen on everybody upgrading, I mean you are almost being bombarded with it. Is windows 10 easier to spy on?

by Anonymousreply 16May 26, 2016 2:27 PM

R16 NSA backdoors.

by Anonymousreply 17May 26, 2016 4:37 PM

[quote]Is windows 10 easier to spy on?

Windows 10 seems to present hole at every turn.

by Anonymousreply 18May 26, 2016 5:08 PM

You make Windows 10 sound hot R18

by Anonymousreply 19May 26, 2016 5:12 PM

Just one huge piece of spyware, Windows 10.

Bill Gates is truly evil and hates humanity. They call it Windows because they are always looking in on your 'puter, dipshit cuntz.

by Anonymousreply 20May 26, 2016 5:36 PM

If you want something Microsoft without the NSA backdoors, you'll have to go as far back as the one of the first UNPATCHED versions of Windows 95. I'm sure the NSA key was installed under the pretense to patch some vulnerability issue: I guess the vulnerability issue was only an issue for the NSA.

There was also the infamous NSA Certificate that some geeks had found in Windows 95 which was so to say an open bar access to your computer for the NSA. of course Microsoft denied it, but it's not like you would expect them to say that yeah, the NSA asked us to give access to all your computers.

Not sure what to think of Apple, but at least the Linux code is open source so can be parsed by those who knows the C/C++ development languages.

And then there is an even more sordid story: hardware manufacturers allegedly being asked to hard-wire those backdoors straight into the silicon. Ouch!

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by Anonymousreply 21May 26, 2016 5:59 PM

I realised in 2007 which way Windows was headed and learned how to use Ubuntu Linux. Whenever I read things like this, I'm so glad I did. It won't suit everyone, and if you need specialised software for certain kinds of jobs then you can't avoid Mac or Windows. For most ordinary users though, it will do everything the other two main OSs will, without the costs and inflexibility of Apple, or the slowness, viruses, spyware, nannying, and other general screw-ups of Windows.

by Anonymousreply 22May 26, 2016 8:06 PM

I've just spent the whole Saturday trying to fix my desktop computer after Windows 10 fucked it up. It seems it physically fried my SSD.

This is my production computer and I've held off upgrading from Windows 7 since I wasn't sure all the drivers would be there. Since the free upgrade period is coming to an end (or not it seems) I decided a week ago to try it anyway since you can always rollback to W7 for 30 days after upgrading. There weren't really any problems until yesterday when I noticed my computer had trouble booting up. After rebooting everything seemed normal but earlier today it became apparent something was wrong when the computer only managed to boot into a black screen. At some point I got into a reboot loop where Windows 10 is trying fix the computer and then reboots and start doing it again.

I checked the ssd in another pc and it turned out it's messed up. Possibly a controller chip died. It's a 3 or 4 year old drive and has never had any problems before. Not until I installed Windows 10.

Since I have an automatic backup system that takes backups every 30 minutes I didn't thankfully lose any work. And I always keep my work files on another drive. BUT I was stupid enough to not clone my system hard drive before upgrading to Windows 10. I only take occasional backups of my system drive since I've always thought a fresh install is better than bringing back the clone. Well, since this is the first time I have a hard drive die this monumentally I'm now thinking cloning is the absolutely best way to go. It will take another day to install all my software, argh.

I just wanted to post a warning to others that [bold]Windows 10 really can fry physical components[/bold]. I'm actually still unsure if my ssd drive was the only victim since I'm having huge troubles installing updates to a replacement hard drive. I'm kicking myself for installing the Windows 10 upgrade in the first place since I was aware there had been problems earlier. But I was so bloody tired of trying to dodge W10 that I decided to give it a go. Needless to say I'm now re-installing Windows 7 and will not be upgrading to Windows 10 on my production computer. I've got W10 on my laptop and it's a perfectly fine OS but I'm just feeling so tired for having to have spent a whole fucking day cleaning up Microsoft's mess.

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[quote]Apple Land is not perfect either, but it's a damn sight better than Windows World.

I was a Mac only guy for over 15 years until I couldn't take it anymore and switched to Windows 7. Even with all the problems it's still easier to breath in the Windows World. The biggest thing being that practically every computer component comes out for Windows. You can buy whatever you want and install whatever you want. BTW, I had faulty Macs as well, and dear god was it annoying since everything cost so much to repair if you didn't have active AppleCare. A faulty Mac was the reason why I started taking backups every half an hour. I'd be fine with some linux version but the reality is I need Adobe's software and various 3D software that just aren't out for linux.

by Anonymousreply 23May 29, 2016 5:52 AM

And I just noticed the ssd was just under two years old. I know some of them fail but apparently it usually happens pretty fast when they are new or after a few years of use. I have older ssd's that are working just fine.

by Anonymousreply 24May 29, 2016 5:58 AM

If you still get the obnoxious popup that gives you no option but to download the spyware / adware laden piece of corporate fascist garbage. Google: Never10 It appears to have stopped the download on my PC. I'm not a computer nerd but I know enough to spit out shit.

by Anonymousreply 25May 29, 2016 6:22 AM

Microsofts goal is a billion W10 users by 29 July. Currently they 400.mil short. Looks like 400 million of us will get a big surprise when we log on 30 July.

by Anonymousreply 26May 29, 2016 6:28 AM

Let's see OP... Windows 10 is faster than Windows 7 by orders of magnitude. If your PC is slow to boot, it's because of something else... it's definitely not Windows 10.

Oh, and R26... Microsoft goal is one billion Windows 10 users by the end of the 3rd year of release. So they have two more years to go once July 29th hits. Duh.

by Anonymousreply 27May 29, 2016 7:35 AM

You can set it to use a PIN instead of a password. Really easy.

by Anonymousreply 28May 29, 2016 7:36 AM

The notion that Windows 10 is spying on you has been debunked endlessly. The only info that is sent back is non-identifying anonymous information like when apps crash, or various things about how you configure or use windows so that Microsoft can fix problems and patch issues.

The FUD that has been spread about this is utter nonsense. Windows XP and Windows 7 did much the same stuff.

And MOST of the stuff that actually has to scan any of your data (for example, if you want Cortana to help you track packages or flights) is opt-in. The rest is all easy to opt-out of.

It's amazing to me how irrationally angry ignorant people get over things they don't understand just because they read some alarmist click-bait bullshit on the internet. OP, you're a gullible tool.

by Anonymousreply 29May 29, 2016 7:38 AM

R23, Windows 7 is more likely to wear out your SSD too fast than Windows 10. Windows 7 was written before SSDs were a thing. Windows 10 is specifically optimized for SSD use. And no, Windows 10 can't fry your hardware. At least not any more than any previous version of any OS can. (rolling eyes).

Where do you people GET this shit? Repeat after me: Correlation is not Causation.

by Anonymousreply 30May 29, 2016 7:40 AM

In no way is Windows 8.1 better than Windows 10. That's just crazy talk.

by Anonymousreply 31May 29, 2016 7:42 AM

[quote]And no, Windows 10 can't fry your hardware. At least not any more than any previous version of any OS can. (rolling eyes).

Pardon me for not being amused by your eye roll. Go read the message boards and see I'm not the only one. Windows 10 just cost me a $120 ssd so hearing your condescending attitude makes me want to punch you in the gut. Let's say it again so people don't miss it:

[bold]WINDOWS 10 CAN FRY YOUR HARDWARE

TAKE BACKUPS BEFORE UPGRADING

CLONE YOUR SYSTEM DRIVE BEFORE UPGRADING SO YOU CAN RETURN EASILY TO AN EARLIER INSTALLATION IF THINGS GET FUCKED[/bold]

by Anonymousreply 32May 29, 2016 8:00 AM

Why do the Windows 10 shills sound just like the Hillbots in their scripted veneration of their respective turds that no one wants?

by Anonymousreply 33May 29, 2016 8:21 AM

I've been using W10 on 5 machines total since the day it came out. Haven't had a single problem on any of them. Upgraded all of them from W8.1. Loving W10 still, except for the force updates and the fact that some of them don't install at times. But so far I've been able to find the solution and the problem seems to be getting less and less.

by Anonymousreply 34May 29, 2016 11:00 AM

How do I change my log in to a pin? I'd love to do that.

by Anonymousreply 35May 29, 2016 12:32 PM

If Windows 10 fried your SSD, your SSD was about to be fried anyway. There is nothing in Windows 10 that can fry an SSD specifically.

SSDs do wear out. It might be the stress and strain of upgrading itself, if it's marginal.

The notion that it was Windows 10 specifically is absurd.

You don't know what you're talking about.

by Anonymousreply 36May 29, 2016 6:01 PM

To change your Windows Login to a 4-digit PIN is easy, just follow these steps:

1) Open Settings ('settings' from the start menu, or 'all settings' from the action center)

2) Click "Accounts

3) Click "Sign In Options"

4) Under "PIN" add a pin. If you already have a pin, you can change it here.

On the login screen, once you have a pin set up, you can change your login options by clicking the icon. So if you forget your password you can use your PIN, and if you forget your PIN, you can use your password.

If you have a touch-screen, you can also set up a "picture login".

If you have a Windows Hello capable device, this is also where you set up the ability to log in with your face or finger-print.

by Anonymousreply 37May 29, 2016 6:04 PM

[quote]If Windows 10 fried your SSD, your SSD was about to be fried anyway. There is nothing in Windows 10 that can fry an SSD specifically. SSDs do wear out. It might be the stress and strain of upgrading itself, if it's marginal. The notion that it was Windows 10 specifically is absurd. You don't know what you're talking about.

Obviously everything said against Windows 10 is absurd to you. There are couple of Windows 10 shills here bitching to anyone saying anything negative about Windows 10. One of them is a software developer who has serious anger management issues. Worst kind of Windows fanbois.

Windows 10 can easily fry hardware since it tries to override the drivers with the ones it thinks are better suited. Or using the hardware components in a way that did not happen in Windows 7. If you really know about Windows 10 then you are fully aware that the automatic driver update has fried graphics cards and other components. In any case I never had any problems with my hard drive in Windows 7 and now a few days after installing Windows 10 it got destroyed? I have no trouble guessing the culprit.

I've been installing software after the hard drive failure and I'm seriously pissed. Fucking Microsoft. I now have to check every software update to keep the Windows 10 installers away. Even the shills can't deny that Microsoft has been recently force updating Windows 10 to W7 and W8 pc's. What a bloody loser of a company.

by Anonymousreply 38May 30, 2016 1:01 AM

I'll make ya an offer ya can't refuse.

by Anonymousreply 39May 30, 2016 1:25 AM

Wow! That was such a relevant joke!

by Anonymousreply 40May 30, 2016 1:27 AM

I got tricked into installing it after months of being asked to. The last request actually triggered an install when I clicked on the red X. I haven't had any problems so far but I resent being tricked into installing it. Also the first ad that I got from Microsoft was an offer to install Office 2016 for half price. The regular price is $299 I think Office 2010 cost $99 when I bought it so that's quite a cost increase.

by Anonymousreply 41May 30, 2016 1:48 AM

You mean your old office won't work on 10?

by Anonymousreply 42May 30, 2016 1:54 AM

Office 365 personal is only $69, home is only $99.

by Anonymousreply 43May 30, 2016 1:58 AM

All versions of Office back to 2003 run just fine on Windows 10.

by Anonymousreply 44May 30, 2016 1:59 AM

After months of daily pop-up messages to install Windows 10, I finally relented and realized almost immediately it was a mistake. Some programs that were previously on my desktop disappeared although. I use AOL (yes, I hear the sneers loud and clear) and almost every time I attempted to 'copy and paste' anything into an e-mail, AOL crashed and had to be rebooted. I did a system restore but Windows savvily wouldn't let me access any restore points prior to the 'upgrade.' (I use the term sarcastically.) Finally, in desperation, I googled how to uninstall Windows 10, which I was, thankfully, able to accomplish relatively easily. Yep, I'm old school and only relating my experience; I have no doubt some of you love it...but it didn't work for me at all.

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by Anonymousreply 45May 30, 2016 2:05 AM

R45, you just go to settings and select the update and recovery, and there's an option there to roll back to the previous version of Windows.

by Anonymousreply 46May 30, 2016 2:23 AM

R46, not if it has been over a month.

by Anonymousreply 47May 30, 2016 5:38 AM

Right. You have to do it in the first 30 days.

by Anonymousreply 48May 30, 2016 6:25 AM

Eat it .Eat the turd now. Chew it. Now swallow. See it wasn't that bad.It was pretty tasty.You'll come to love it. Hell you'll even pay to eat it.

by Anonymousreply 49May 30, 2016 7:07 AM

I'm surprised no one has mentioned GWX Control Panel yet. It's a tool that blocks the the forced upgrade to Windows 10 as well as all the nagging. I was skeptical when I first heard about it but finally caved and installed it a couple of weeks ago and can confirm that it's legit, with no malware or anything. It works.

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by Anonymousreply 50May 30, 2016 7:34 AM

R50 Never 10 stop stops download as well by changing the registry. But these can easily be circumvented by Microsoft by auto downloading an important update to your system. Bottom line is if they want all W7 and W8 users on W10 and since they have unlimited access to your PC they will have there way.

by Anonymousreply 51May 30, 2016 7:49 AM

I've never used it or upgraded to it. I use windows 7.

by Anonymousreply 52May 30, 2016 7:54 AM

I haven't upgraded either, but I'm not the type to update anything. W7 users can still get a free upgrade until the end of July. Is it like formatting at all, gives you a fresh, faster, operating system? It'd be worth it just for that.

by Anonymousreply 53May 30, 2016 10:55 AM

Why is Microsoft pushing Win 10 so hard? It is pushing Win 10 to create a more unified ecosystem across multiple platforms (desktop, mobile, gaming/Xbone) and stay relevant. Second, it's trying to cover the black eye from having had two relatively poor performing operating systems (Win 7 and 8). Third, it is trying to improve user functionality as people move away from traditional desktop applications and the historic Wintel upgrade cycle no longer is driving sales.

Why are so many people so invested in whether other people upgrade to Win 10? It has no impact on any current users whether other people upgrade their operating systems. While debunking myths about backdoor spying might be worthwhile, in the end the belief in such only affects the people who choose NOT to upgrade, so what does it matter? At some point in the future people will need to upgrade their computers to take advantage of certain functionality, so everntually the majority of people will be using it.

Does it cause huge problems for some people who upgrade - probably. Different hardware manufacturers have varying degrees of driver support for their products. Depending on who manufactured which parts of your machine (not just the brand name like Dell), they may not be updating drivers and bios settings. Even small things like the software for your clickpad may not be updated and a workaround may be required to get it to work again.

Win 7 came out in 2009. Win 8 came out in 2012. If you have an older machine using Win 7, I'd think twice about upgrading. If you're using a newer machine using Win 8, it's probably less problematic. If you are using a well-known brand like Dell it's probably fine. If you're using a lesser known brand or a brand with a lot of different configurations which change frequently (which makes support harder), it's probably less advisable. A cheaper machine using off-brand parts (SSD, RAM, motherboard) to keep costs low probably has less driver support. If you use a lot of specialized software which you custom configured for your use and machine, I'd probably verify with the company (not just read their website) that they support Win 10 and read message boards to find out whether other users had problems.

Upgrading doesn't make you tech savvy and not upgrading doesn't make you a luddite. People ought not invest so much emotional energy and self-image into the process.

by Anonymousreply 54May 30, 2016 11:48 AM

R54 Cram W10 up your fascist corporate ass Staya.

by Anonymousreply 55May 30, 2016 5:37 PM

How do you clone your current OS incase you have problems with 10?

by Anonymousreply 56May 30, 2016 5:57 PM

R53- I think it's supposed to be a lot more secure as well (for what's that's worth) . I upgraded - on both my laptops and then decided to go back to 8.1 - I don't like Windows 10 email (I write a huge amount of emails for my job). The article below lists the good and bad points but the "good" stuff doesn't seem to be anything I care about. Also the option to watch a DVD on 10 went away. Now you need to buy a separate product (I've tried all the free stuff - it sucks) ...

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by Anonymousreply 57May 30, 2016 8:12 PM

[quote]How do you clone your current OS incase you have problems with 10?

I haven't cloned hard drives for a while but I remember using Macrium Reflect Free at some point. Don't remember too much about it but I don't recall having any problems. It might be a good idea to read a bit about cloning before doing it although I don't remember was there really any need for it. Operating systems (Windows, Mac, linux) use a hidden partition on a hard drive, GPT or MBR, where the boot loader information is stored. I'm not an expert and don't remember it all that well but I just mention it so you're aware that your hard drive has different partitions even though you're possibly seeing only one when using your computer. It's a good idea to clone the whole hard drive with all its partitions so if something goes wrong going back should be as painless as possible.

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by Anonymousreply 58May 30, 2016 9:24 PM

R58 - send in the Clones ..

by Anonymousreply 59May 30, 2016 9:40 PM

Microsoft is supporting Windows 7 until 2020. I'll stay with it.

by Anonymousreply 60May 30, 2016 9:45 PM

R57, the mail app that comes with Windows 10 has been massively upgraded on a regular basis. When exactly did you try it? It might be something you like now. I know it sucked last July, but by Christmas time it was perfectly usable, and it continues to be enhanced and updated regularly.

Also, you can get Outlook with Office 365 for just $69... and you get Word, Excel, and Power-Point too.

by Anonymousreply 61May 30, 2016 9:48 PM

Honestly, anyone that is running hardware that is compatible with Windows 10 (anything in the last 5 years, basically) should upgrade unless they have specific software they rely on that isn't compatible (there's not much of that).

It's pretty much better in every way... far more secure, faster, more efficient, with more capabilities and features.

by Anonymousreply 62May 30, 2016 9:49 PM

R62 Cue the shill.

by Anonymousreply 63May 30, 2016 9:52 PM

Agree with the other posters. Windows 7 was the best!

by Anonymousreply 64May 30, 2016 9:58 PM

R61 - actually I was thinking of putting it one of my laptops and see if I like it better - I tried it when it first came out so it's been awhile. I'll put in on my "porn" laptop and see if my viewing pleasure is increased !! My other computer is for work and Daddy can't experiment with work stuff.

by Anonymousreply 65May 30, 2016 10:05 PM

My course in :How not to grow your business and retain customers for your product 101 :

Now even China's official news agency is reporting that users are angry about stealthy Windows 10 upgrades, saying over 1.2 million complaints appeared on one microblogging site. It quotes a legal advisor with the Internet Society of China, who says Microsoft "has abused its dominant market position and broken the market order for fair play," saying that lawsuits would be justified over Microsoft's action. "Yang Shuo, a worker at a Beijing-based public relations company, told Xinhua that the sudden update interrupted his drafting of a business plan and led to a meeting cancellation for a deal worth 3 million yuan ($457,735). 'Just because I didn't see the pop-up reminder does not mean I want Windows 10.

by Anonymousreply 66May 30, 2016 10:10 PM

R66 - I didn't know China actually bought any software - I thought they just coppied everything ... maybe Microsoft finally plugged the hole. I agree though - the upgrades are very annoying

by Anonymousreply 67May 30, 2016 10:15 PM

The sooner you get the upgrade over with, the sooner you can stop whining, bitching, and moaning about it.

by Anonymousreply 68May 31, 2016 4:00 AM

Does Windows 10 work fine on brand new laptops/PCs that come installed with it?

by Anonymousreply 69May 31, 2016 4:03 AM

Of course. And many actually support the new features of Windows 10 like Windows Hello (login with finger print or facial recognition), pen support, touch-screen support, etc. Older laptops/PCs may not have the hardware to support the new features.

by Anonymousreply 70May 31, 2016 4:10 AM

R69/R70. Why yes it does Bob. Thank you so much for asking and then answering your own canned question.Now shoo shill off to reddit to spread some more Microsoft guano.

by Anonymousreply 71May 31, 2016 4:17 AM

R71, your'e an idiot if you think R69 and R70 were posted by the same person.

by Anonymousreply 72May 31, 2016 4:29 AM

[quote]The sooner you get the upgrade over with, the sooner you can stop whining, bitching, and moaning about it.

Unless the update fucks up your computer. You MS fanbois can try to make W10 look like a second coming but the truth is it fried my ssd and messed up my internal backup drive as well. For some fucking reason W10 tried to "repair" my internal backup disk (which had the C drive files in folders created by the backup software) and turned an NTFS disk into a FAT32 disk. It didn't destroy the files but apparently because of the formatting change the file names are garbage.

So thank you Microsoft for ruining multiple work days for me. Obviously our resident Microsoft fanbois will blame me for everything since Microsoft can do no wrong.

by Anonymousreply 73May 31, 2016 6:57 AM

No, it didn't fry your SSD.

Your SSD must have been cheap and marginal, and the stress of all the work involved in the upgrade may have caused it to die, but Windows 10 specifically didn't fry it.

You don't know what you're talking about and when you keep repeating this ridiculousness, you just make yourself look and sound like an idiot.

You also act like it's maliciously doing stuff, and everyone needs to beware, when it sounds like you had a really bizarre setup that is very uncommon, and the problems you experienced are pretty much specific to you. Everyone should have a good backup (and not on the same disk!) before doing an upgrade anyway.

by Anonymousreply 74May 31, 2016 1:32 PM

Oh god R33. So now you berniebros are blaming Hillary for Windows 10 problems?

by Anonymousreply 75May 31, 2016 1:42 PM

[quote]Your SSD must have been cheap and marginal,

Samsung EVO 840, one of the most respected ssd's around.

Are you the deranged software developer who always turns up attacking people who dare to criticize Microsoft? Like I predicted you turned up and started blaming only me without even comprehending what I had written. Of course my backups were not on the same disk as Windows but Windows 10 still decided to fuck up both of those hard drives. The other one it physically fried and the other one it messed up on the software level. I've never said W10 was acting "maliciously", it's just Microsoft's subpar coding that's causing this.

by Anonymousreply 76May 31, 2016 1:45 PM

[quote]Cram W10 up your fascist corporate ass Staya.

r55, reading comprehension really is not your strong suit, is it?

This is why nutbags like you are never taken seriously. You're so blinded by your own delusions that you can't even think clearly.

You ought be in the Olympics with the mental gymnastics you had to do to interpret my post as pro-Microsoft or pro Win 10.

by Anonymousreply 77May 31, 2016 1:52 PM

I prefer Macs but I just bought a Google Chromebook. I like it. Worth $250. Excellent HD image and extremely fast.

by Anonymousreply 78May 31, 2016 2:23 PM

I've read that windows 10 works well with a tablet or something you touch so that's why I'm hesitant to upgrade to it.

by Anonymousreply 79May 31, 2016 3:56 PM

R79, it does work well with touch screens and tablets and pens and all that stuff. Doesn't mean it doesn't work well with keyboard and mouse. If anything it works BETTER with keyboard because it introduced a ton of new hot-keys to make a lot of common things faster without having to lift your hands from the keyboard.

by Anonymousreply 80May 31, 2016 5:04 PM

We are watching you watching W10.

by Anonymousreply 81June 1, 2016 3:39 AM

After upgrading my laptop to Windows 10 from Windows 7, I'm getting at least an hour more of battery life. Just saying.

There's just not a lot to hate here. A little bit of "getting used to it" as they moved some of the cheese around... but...if you can't get used to change, you shouldn't be using any technology.

by Anonymousreply 82June 1, 2016 8:02 PM

R82 Fascist shill ........... Translation: If you do not accept W10 you should not be allowed to use a computer.

by Anonymousreply 83June 2, 2016 1:07 AM

R83 = tin-hat conspiracy theorist and histrionic hyperbole-spewer. Seriously unhinged.

by Anonymousreply 84June 2, 2016 1:48 AM

R84 = sheep

by Anonymousreply 85June 2, 2016 1:59 AM

Does anyone but the idiot libertarian troll ever respond with the "Rwhatever=sheep"?

by Anonymousreply 86June 2, 2016 2:01 AM

I just bought an Acer laptop with 8 gigs Ram and windows 8. I bought in March 2015.

Is there anyway I can avoid this Windows 10 upgrade. I think I will need more Ram to accommodate windows 10.

Right now with my 8 gigs Ram, the laptop seizes on me because it cannot accommodate having multiple windows or files active on the screen at the same time.

Any helpful hints would be greatly appreciated.

by Anonymousreply 87June 2, 2016 2:09 AM

I like W10 a lot better than W8. W7 is still my favorite OS, but time and technology have moved on.

by Anonymousreply 88June 2, 2016 2:10 AM

R87, your system shouldn't freeze with 8 gigs of Ram, what are trying to do with it when it freezes?

Can you monitor your system resources when this happens? You should be around 33% of 8 gigs under normal conditions of downloading, streaming or internet use. You might have something else wrong.

by Anonymousreply 89June 2, 2016 2:20 AM

R87, You have PLENTY of RAM for Windows 10.

If your laptop is seizing and hanging with 8GB of RAM, something else is wrong. I run tons of things with only 8GB of RAM. Unless you're doing massive video editing, or very large image editing, you really don't need more than that.

You could have a bad driver, flaky hardware (for example, I had an SSD that would cause my entire laptop to 'freeze' for about a minute or so, at least once a day... you could tell by looking at Task Manager, and you'd see that the Disk was at 100%, but there was no data transfer).

by Anonymousreply 90June 2, 2016 2:22 AM

If you don't know how to look at task manager, you should learn... it's a very useful tool. Easiest way to get to it is to just right-click anywhere on an empty space in the task bar at the bottom of the screen, and select "Task Manager". If it's the first time you've run it, you'll get a simple list of apps running. Click the "show more" button at the bottom, and you'll get tons of detail... click the "Performance" tab for graphs of your CPU/Memory/Disk/Network usage. Click the "Details" to see every single process running on your system (sort by name, sort by amount of CPU used, etc., by clicking the header at the top... useful for when you have a run-away process... right-click the process and select "Kill" to stop it. Just be careful not to kill any process you don't know, as it might be vital and might crash your system).

by Anonymousreply 91June 2, 2016 2:23 PM

Haters gonna hate.

If you don't want to upgrade, stop whining and download and install "Never10" by Steve Gibson. Simple, easy, effective, and not a gross hack... works using the documented Microsoft way of blocking the Windows 10 upgrade. No need to whine and bitch. Microsoft announced months ago, and it was widely reported in the media, that they were changing Windows 10 from an optional upgrade, to a 'recommended' upgrade. So if you're set (as most people are by default) to download and install "recommended" updates, you were going to get it starting in the spring.

Anyway, the nagging and forced upgrades will all end on July 29th.

If you don't upgrade before July 29th, you'll give up your free copy. You CAN upgrade any time between now and then, and then immediately roll back to the previous version of windows you were using... this locks you in as registered for Windows 10, so you can then do the free upgrade any time in the future (on that same computer only... DEVICES are registered for the free upgrade, not people).

by Anonymousreply 92June 2, 2016 6:46 PM

[quote]Even the shills can't deny that Microsoft has been recently force updating Windows 10 to W7 and W8 pc's.

I knew that we would eventually find out that Windows Vista had a redeeming quality! Who would have guessed?

by Anonymousreply 93June 2, 2016 7:10 PM

Here's how to keep Windows 7 or 8 while downloading the free edition of Windows 10 but not using it.

I downloaded Windows 10 and did not have a pleasant experience with it, so I reverted to Windows 7, not realizing Microsoft had installed a glitch to prevent people who do that from being able to do routine backups. I decided I'd rather download Ease To Do as a backup system than trust Microsoft.

I'll wait and see what happens with Windows 7 in 2020 but I may ditch Microsoft at that point. I don't care how many Third World kids that money-grubbing Bill Gates vaccinates, it won't buy him a spot in heaven.

by Anonymousreply 94June 2, 2016 7:25 PM

Sorry. I forgot the link.

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by Anonymousreply 95June 2, 2016 7:26 PM

I upgraded to it last summer so I've been using it for nearly a year now. I'm using a mid range, 4 year old Lenovo all in one desktop system, and the upgrade process went relatively smooth and didn't take very long either. The only problem I had was after the first reboot, I had no sound. But strangely after rebooting a second time it came back on. I really dislike how much it's phoning home though. From various tech sites I've read, even if you take the recommended steps to turn all that off, including running software to help disable even more of it, Win 10 is still making tons of calls back to Microsoft. It's not just the NSA either, they're likely gathering a ton of data around everyone for marketing purposes, such as their Bing Ads network. You also need to have a Microsoft email address to be associated with your Windows login, which is annoying because I never use it for anything else. Performance wise it does seem a little bit peppier though since they turned off all those resource heavy visual effects on the interface and went with a flat simple design. It takes a little getting used to though since it looks a bit cheap and unpolished. One suggestion if you haven't discovered this yet, but right clicking on the Windows icon in the lower right corner will bring up a contextual menu with much of the stuff they removed from the old Start Menu design.

by Anonymousreply 96June 2, 2016 7:28 PM

I had exactly the same issue with the sound R96. I resolved mine by uninstalling the driver but maybe a couple of reboots would have taken care of it.

And yes, Windows 10 is more obsessed than E.T. with phoning home...

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by Anonymousreply 97June 2, 2016 7:36 PM

[quote]not realizing Microsoft had installed a glitch to prevent people who do that from being able to do routine backups.

What an absurd comment. Microsoft did no such thing. You had some sort of glitch, but I assure you, there was no 'intention' behind it, and you'd be one of the only people who experienced it.

by Anonymousreply 98June 2, 2016 9:39 PM

You might be right, R98. Then again, it's so common that there are posts all over the Internet about it. Maybe not so uncommon after all, and all of them happening after people ditched 10.

by Anonymousreply 99June 2, 2016 9:42 PM

[quote]From various tech sites I've read, even if you take the recommended steps to turn all that off, including running software to help disable even more of it, Win 10 is still making tons of calls back to Microsoft.

Many of those sites are needlessly alarmist, being sensational click-bait. You should take most of what they say with a grain of salt.

MOST of the information that is sent back to Microsoft is used solely to monitor for problems. It's completely anonymous. There's zero identifying data. It sends back information any time an app crashes, a driver crashes, or the OS crashes.

If you use handwriting or voice recognition, then of course it's sending data in order to make those experiences even work.

It's strange how people bitch about this all the time, but it's really phoning home and sending FAR less data that your phone (whether apple or android). And they're doing FAR less snooping than Google is. So it's kinda hypocritical to use Google services, and complain about Microsoft sending data back. VERY different kinds of data, for very different use...

Anyway, all that data makes using Windows 10 a better experience. Whether it's getting fixes and patches for problems out to customers far faster than before, or whether it's actually enabling features like Cortana's personal assistant, search, auto-complete, package tracking, trip tracking, etc... there's a trade-off for turning all this stuff on or off.

by Anonymousreply 100June 2, 2016 9:44 PM

What's SSD?

by Anonymousreply 101June 2, 2016 9:45 PM

"Solid State Drive"... no moving parts. Not a spinning hard disk.

by Anonymousreply 102June 2, 2016 9:47 PM

I have a conventional user login, R96, tho' I do have a hotmail account too.

The latest updates have clobbered my HP 7450c scanner-I've kept it going with the Vista 64 driver HP provides until recently, when the TWAIN stopped working mid-scan and threw up an error message. It's fucking ancient, but I love the noisy, ugly thing and the document feeder is so handy. What I wonder is, if I put back W7, allow the W10 update to download, and disable it with Never10, will the update still work after the end of free download period? My latest install was clean using the latest release on a USB drive, and I had no problems activating the install.

Before someone can say it, I've already considered replacing the scanner. So get off of my lawn.

by Anonymousreply 103June 3, 2016 7:24 PM

[quote]It demands a password from me at startup, even though I’m the only one who uses my computer – never had to do that with any prior version of Windows

For what it's worth, my version of Windows 10 does not demand a password at startup.

by Anonymousreply 104June 3, 2016 7:52 PM

r87 - yeah you can avoid 10 - just keep saying NO. But you should upgrade to 8.1. Much nicer than 8 ...

by Anonymousreply 105June 3, 2016 8:05 PM

Yeah, 8.0 sucks compared to 8.1

And R103, as long as you machine legitimately upgrades to Windows 10, you'll be licensed for windows 10 on that specific device for the life of the device. Even if you go back to Windows 7 at some point. You'll be able to upgrade again for free, because you're already licensed. Even if it's two years from now.

by Anonymousreply 106June 3, 2016 8:57 PM

Thank you, R106

I suspected as much, but wasn't quite certain. I want to upgrade my processor before the free download ends, but retain the mainboard for a couple of years at least, so I should be OK (activation flags seem to be triggered most by MB swaps).

For those with Windows 8/8.1 - do you have Start8? Best five dollars I've ever spent. Completely customizable start menu and brings back the feel and functionality of W7. You can retain Metro without it being so intrusive. There's now a Start10-haven't experienced it, but it seems similar in function to Start8.

by Anonymousreply 107June 4, 2016 12:58 AM

If you upgrade your processor, you may want to upgrade to windows 10 prior to the July 29th cut-off date just to be sure you're still licensed. I'm not exactly sure what the algorithm is these days, but I'm pretty sure the CPU serial number is involved.. probably the network MAC address is too. There's some system they use to "identify" a device uniquely, and that id is stored inn the cloud at Microsoft, so it "knows" you're activated without you having to keep track of any log activation key like in the past.

And "Start10" is not nearly as useful for Windows 10... the Windows 10 start menu is pretty good, and very customizable (it's actually amazing to me how few people actually seem to know they can customize the start menu quite easily). If it's not to your liking, make it more to your liking. And don't forget about right-click on the start button.

by Anonymousreply 108June 4, 2016 2:24 AM

I won't update. I love my windows 7 and I installed free software to prevent it to going to Windows 10. Just delete your windows updates which will delete all the KB numbers that will automatically initiate win 10.

by Anonymousreply 109June 4, 2016 2:40 AM

Can't you just download the free Win10 before the end date, and delay installing it on your computer until you want to actually install it? You know, find the downloaded file and double click on it to install it later on?

by Anonymousreply 110June 4, 2016 4:31 AM

No, R110. The act of installing it registered and activates it, and THAT is what has to happen prior to July 29th if you want it for free.

You can easily roll back to your previous version of windows after the install though. Just go to settings, update-and-recovery, and there will be a link right there. You have 30 days from installing Windows 10 to do the roll back.

by Anonymousreply 111June 4, 2016 4:41 AM

Sound advice, R108, I had planned to swap the CPU before the cutoff.

I know from my travails with selling old copies of MS software on *Bay that the only times I didn't have trouble with "MS eBay Partners", i.e., greedy *Bay merchants getting your listings flagged, was when the original motherboard was included in the auction. I'm thinking the system BIOS is the key, but I can't be certain of that. I'm not sure about the MAC address-when I put a machine together I use the built-in LAN to register and update (because Realtek rules the OEM MB market and MS always has a driver for their stuff). I've never had an install send an activation flag for putting in an Intel or Broadcom NIC later on. But who knows?

Liking this thread, there's too few tech threads, IMO, but at least when there are, feathers fly, as per the DL SOP. ;-)

by Anonymousreply 112June 4, 2016 6:23 PM

Important Question

I have an Acer latop bought last year. I just downloaded Windows 10 yesterday and for some reason the charger (the power cord) is causing the laptop to Crash completely.

I contacted Geek Squad (my technical store service help desk) and they said "it could be a thousand reasons ".

There was a faint hope of resolution to this issue yesterday and savvy geek Squad technician determined that that there was a "an Acer power management in compatability with with Windows 10." He fiddled around and seemed to rectify the situation. But tonight the charger is back to crashing the laptop.

I NEVER had this problem with Windows 8.

Any savvy computer folks out there that can provide some guidance would be greatly appreciated.

P.s. Pretty unnerving when Geek Squad can't seem to trouble shoot this fairly critical issue. Thanks!

by Anonymousreply 113June 5, 2016 8:34 AM

r113 it still getting power/charging? any indication or warning its about to crash? what do you see when its about to go?

by Anonymousreply 114June 5, 2016 8:45 AM

Me again: Has this started to happen after a windows update? What was the last update you downloaded? Go to Settings--> update & Security---> Advance --->view update history what do you have as your last update?

by Anonymousreply 115June 5, 2016 8:49 AM

The Win 10 upgrade has tubed my Lenovo Q180 twice (2nd. time as a forced upgrade), an unmitigated disaster. Probably 50 hours of trying to get it to work, finding and installing missing drivers, a browser that caused hard crashes every time it was launched, reverting to Win 7, dealing with serious security gaps that led to losing data and the original hard drive to a persistent roor kit virus, a fresh install of Win7 on a new SSD, and a stealth installation of Win 10 which when activated has tubed the computer with exactly the same issues again.

Class action suit. I'm serious.

by Anonymousreply 116June 5, 2016 9:33 AM

To me it's about the same as Windows 8, which I didn't like much either. But I haven't had serious problems, just little annoyances. Wish I could go back to 7 though.

by Anonymousreply 117June 5, 2016 10:47 AM

R116, if you had a root kit on your system, how is that Microsoft's fault?

by Anonymousreply 118June 5, 2016 11:57 AM

Simple, R118, the system ran with no security for several days after I reverted to Win 7 until I caught it. This is because Windows Security Essentials was lost in the first upgrade to Win 10, which uses Windows Defender instead, and there were no flags or dialogs alerting me to the lack of security once I'd reverted to Windows 7. Nice one, Microsoft!

Root kits spread to any drive connected to a machine, so I lost much of the data which was not in the cloud. This one had disabled virus removal tools and diagnostics which are part of the OS, screwed with the BIOS, and corrupted or deleted files.

What's bad about all this is Microsoft's making the upgrade so difficult to avoid. Interesting thread linked (CNET) which goes into the extremes you have to go to to avoid a forced upgrade to Win 10.

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by Anonymousreply 119June 5, 2016 2:10 PM

R114 - r113 here.

I was up till 5:00 a.m. trying fix this issue so sorry for dealing in responding to your questions.

No, no signal or indicator about to crash - it just s-l-o-w-l-y begins to fade - the image on the screen I mean. Like ghost fading away.

The powe/charging is erratic. It can charge for a few minutes but mostly does not. There's a disconnect going on.

Yes, this ALL started after windows update. The last update I got was yesterday afternoon. And everything was fine. Power cord plugging etc. The moment I started turning off the laptop to go to bed, I had a sneaking suspicion..... so I re-booted snd my crash problem re-appeared.

I was up till 5: a.m. dealing.booting snd re-booting. I am going to check Security settings as you suggest but problem remains. ....

Any more ideas. As I say NEVER had this problem with Windows 8.

by Anonymousreply 120June 5, 2016 2:22 PM

Microsoft's business model has changed in a noxious way with Windows 10, relying on embedded spyware to track your every burp and fart in order to monetize you. I already have plenty of that in the Google products I use.

My Lenovo will get a Linux distro instead, I've decided. I can run the two Windows programs I absolutely must have in Linux, instead.

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by Anonymousreply 121June 5, 2016 2:38 PM

Lies lies lies, R121.

Nope. Sorry.

by Anonymousreply 122June 6, 2016 4:23 AM

R113, the problem is with Acer and their drivers. Go do the Acer site for you laptop model, and check the support section and see if they have any driver updates. They are the ones to blame for this, not Microsoft. It's THEIR driver that is crashing.

by Anonymousreply 123June 6, 2016 4:25 AM

r113, I think r123 is right. Sounds like a driver issue from Acer. Head over to there support site and if there is driver for your problem. On a new laptop, I usually just go ahead and basically download all the drivers available - it will either "repair" or "install" whatever is there. I fixed my sisters computer by just updating every driver they had for her model from Dell. Give it a try, let us know.

by Anonymousreply 124June 6, 2016 7:35 AM

My hard drive went bad and I had to do a clean install of Windows 10. Office 2010 went with the old hard drive.

I hate that Outlook is only included in Office 365 where you pay the monthly/yearly subscription, and not Office 2016 where you pay the one time fee of $150. You also only get to install on one PC with Office 2016. I do not feel like paying Microsoft monthly for software. How lame is that? I've also been trying out the Word Online and it's not worth a damn. Any of you bitches get this shit for free?

by Anonymousreply 125June 25, 2016 2:07 AM

I have Windows 7 and I think I will stick with it. I don't think upgrading to Windows 10 would be a good idea and I have a lot of concerns about its practicality and my security.

by Anonymousreply 126June 25, 2016 2:11 AM

Since installing Windows 10, DVDs no longer play properly and my Earthlink eMail account requires frequent refreshing.

by Anonymousreply 127June 25, 2016 2:20 AM

A friend of mine who uses Windows 7 at home and at her office told me that last week, all of her computers upgraded automatically to Windows 10.

She is in the insurance business and some of the companies and mainframes she has to deal with are NOT compatible with Windows 10. She had to have a special IT guy from the main office come and return all her office computers to Windows 7.

Her husband took her home computer to GeekSquad and they put it back to Windows 7, although some programs were missing. Today.....ALL of the computers began the upgrade again - to Windows 10 - on their own. I had to buy a new computer last spring, so I am getting used to 10 and it's okay. I did have to buy Word AGAIN...and a new printer....and several programs stopped working. Any email I sent to support was answered with the comment: "That program is NOT supported by Windows 10 - you need to upgrade your programs.....printer/scanner, etc."

It's a bummer.

by Anonymousreply 128June 25, 2016 2:40 AM

R125, if you only want it on one PC, Office 365 is $69/year ... it includes ALL of Office (Outlook, Word, Excel, Access, Power Point, etc) PLUS the mobile apps, PLUS full versions of the online apps, PLUS an entire 1TB of OneDrive storage.

If you want it on up to 5PCs/Laptops/Whatever... it's only $99/year.

It's totally reasonable. Plus you're always up to date.

by Anonymousreply 129June 25, 2016 3:05 AM

r126, Windows 10 is way more secure than Windows 7. And it has many far better features. Not sure why you're hesitating... what you think the problem is.

by Anonymousreply 130June 25, 2016 3:06 AM

[quote] She had to have a special IT guy from the main office come and return all her office computers to Windows 7.

Why the fuck did she need a special IT guy to go to settings, update, and click the link that said "roll back to previous versions of windows"?

What the hell is wrong with people that they can't handle the most simple tasks?

And if you don't want the to upgrade to windows 10, Um... STOP IT. Jesus, this isn't rocket science. Microsoft gave many MONTHS of notice that Windows 10 was going to be a 'recommended upgrade'. So if you don't want it, either set your update settings to NOT auto-install recommended updates, OR just install "Never10", which takes a few seconds, and prevents Windows 10 from ever installing.

THIS IS NOT DIFFICULT. The simplest of google searches will show you all this. Paying any attention at all will let you know this.

I'm sick and tired of people whining about things that are their own damn fault.

by Anonymousreply 131June 25, 2016 3:09 AM

r129, I think a $150 one time purchase is reasonable, but with all the features or 5 PCS. The thing is there is nothing keeping them from raising the the subscription fee once everyone catches onto office 365. I just dont want another monthly bill for something as trivial as Office software. I use a small amount of the features at home, I use this stuff at work more. And I dont want to have to learn new features all the time if they are going push updates to the software constantly. That is a huge pain in the ass if you are in the middle of something important.

by Anonymousreply 132June 25, 2016 3:22 AM

Many uncertainties, for example: will I be alble to use the CD burning device that naturally comes with my laptop? I have read many people who are saying they can't burn CDs anymore thanks to the upgrade. Will I have probles using my Malwarebytes Anti-Malware programs? Will I be able to use MS word or will it present troubles too? R130

by Anonymousreply 133June 25, 2016 4:51 AM

Malwarebytes works just fine.

MS word obviously works. Why on earth would you think Microsoft Word, microsoft's own software, wouldn't work on Windows 10? Where does this ridiculous stuff come from?

by Anonymousreply 134June 25, 2016 5:03 AM

I have limited access to MS as it is the way MS was offered when I bought my laptop. I don't have money to buy full access to it. It's natural to have concerns regarding accessibility to products that you have limited access to since the purchase. R134

by Anonymousreply 135June 25, 2016 5:08 AM

R133 I've had Windows 10 since last year. I have been able to burn CD's with no problems whatsoever.

by Anonymousreply 136June 25, 2016 5:10 AM

Windows 10 is fine. It was a smooth upgrade with no serious issues during or after. I wish Cortana would search my hard-drive first instead of the web, but that's not a huge thing.

by Anonymousreply 137June 25, 2016 2:28 PM

What about a parted hard disk (C: and D:) if upgrading?

by Anonymousreply 138June 25, 2016 2:49 PM

R137, it does search locally. Not sure what you're talking about here. That sound odd. If I type in a word, I get files with that word in the name or content first, before getting web results.

And R138, I'm not sure I understand your question, or why you think Windows 10 would have difficulty with that extremely common configuration (hell, I upgraded a PC with five drives, and it just worked).

by Anonymousreply 139June 25, 2016 5:35 PM

R131 she is a typical older business owner who doesn't listen and doesn't UNDERSTAND anything about computers and how they work. I had told her many times that she would probably be updated automatically, but she didn't pay any attention.

My bigger problem is companies that she works with that WON'T upgrade their mainframes and resources to what will be the standard.

I will suggest the "Never10" installation to her, but I doubt it will do any good. You are being awfully hard on someone just because they don't know all about computers, updates, and the way Microsoft works.

by Anonymousreply 140June 25, 2016 7:00 PM

R139, that's weird. I don't use it much, but when I tried using Cortana the other day it went straight to the web, now it doesn't. I have no idea.

by Anonymousreply 141June 25, 2016 9:27 PM

Are we still in time to try W10 and go back to the previous version if we don't like W10?

by Anonymousreply 142June 26, 2016 9:11 AM

I just read that now Cortana will only use Bing search engine (you could change it to another search engine) and only open Edge (the search would open in your default web browser). In a nutshell, Microsoft doing Microsoft things. I just realized that Cortana could actually search my documents if I clicked the documents button hidden at the bottom of the Cortana UI. I always thought limiting the search to the web (the default behavior) was useless. Can you change the default behavior to search the local documents without tabbing like a raging bull through the interface to select the document button?

by Anonymousreply 143June 26, 2016 10:01 AM

I have a shitty HP that uses Windows 8. Computer freezes frequently — and just about every day I use it. I never upgraded to Windows 10. I am going to get rid of it and replace with a Mac.

by Anonymousreply 144June 26, 2016 12:15 PM

I upgraded to Windows 10, and an hour later, I suffered a horrible headache and a sharp pain in my right leg. And my dog started barking.

Damn you, Microsoft!

by Anonymousreply 145June 26, 2016 12:50 PM

My upgrading just finished after like 6 hours of a slow process. So far everything seems to work OK, I would say that it seems to be faster than W7. I followed steps to keep my privacy and security thanks to a video on YT.

Now, I think I feel a bIT dizzy: the image resolution seems higher and it is almost like something are in 3D. Is there something like this really going on with W10? Has anybody experienced the same? Or perhaps it's just me because I had an emergency at night which left me a bit nervous and hat might contributing to me being more sensible to higher resolution images...

I notice this runs faster and better and I wasn't expecting it because I bought my laptop in 2012. If I like it I think I'm sticking with W10.

by Anonymousreply 146June 26, 2016 3:56 PM

If Microsoft would mail me a free Surface Pro to try out, I would give them some honest feedback as a dedicated Apple Head.

by Anonymousreply 147June 26, 2016 4:07 PM

Ugh! How the other half live!

by Anonymousreply 148June 26, 2016 4:25 PM

All downhill since Windows XP

That was the most user-friendly.

by Anonymousreply 149June 26, 2016 4:31 PM

My computer upgraded itself a few weeks ago. I hate how the OS seems to be designed for a tablet. I want my old wallpaper, or background picture, whatever it's called, back!! I also want my start menu back with my links that I set-up! God damn Microsoft!

by Anonymousreply 150June 26, 2016 4:55 PM

R140, you said yourself she won't listen. It's good to be hard on those kinds of assholes and idiots. They are making and creating their own problems (by refusing to listen) and then they lash out and blame others when it all goes wrong.

Don't tell me, she votes GOP doesn't she?

Seriously, you're not being hard ENOUGH on her.

by Anonymousreply 151June 26, 2016 5:58 PM

Yes, R142. The cut-off is the end of July.

by Anonymousreply 152June 26, 2016 5:58 PM

R144, why are you blaming Microsoft and Windows for the fact that you bought a shitty HP?

by Anonymousreply 153June 26, 2016 5:59 PM

R150... upgrading to Windows 10 doesn't change your wallpaper. You can set all that stuff. You can customize the start menu to your desire as well. What the hell are you even babbling about?

by Anonymousreply 154June 26, 2016 6:01 PM

R154, well, it did change those things. Instead of being a smartypants, would you kindly tell me how I reset them back? Many thanks!

by Anonymousreply 155June 26, 2016 11:48 PM

R155... have you never used Windows before?

How about you just go to settings -> personalization, and set your color scheme, background, etc.

And for the start menu, just right-click any tile you don't want and select "unpin", or drag and drop it to where you want, or go to the "All Apps" menu and right-click anything there that you want on the start screen that isn't there.

Or just ask for help from Cortana. Or watch the "Get Started" app, that has a ton of information on all sorts of things. You can find it by just typing "Get Started" into Cortana or from the start menu.

Seriously, this is super-easy stuff, and there's tons of help available.

by Anonymousreply 156June 27, 2016 12:10 AM

If you find "cortana" just goes to the web... you probably haven't enabled Cortana, and it's just "search".

You need to enable Cortana, and to do that, you need to sign into your Microsoft Account, and set up certain options.

by Anonymousreply 157June 27, 2016 12:14 AM

Thank you R156 & R157! I don't like speaking to my computer, though. Otherwise, I will try what you suggest. I appreciate the help!

by Anonymousreply 158June 27, 2016 12:26 AM

Windows 10 is working well for me. I had Windows 7 and I wasn't able to change my wallpaper; now I have choose any pics as my wallpaper.

If you want to upgrade and need to keep your privacy at the highlest level possible, follow the steps in this video.

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by Anonymousreply 159June 27, 2016 11:11 AM

R131, you can change your Windows Update settings all you want, but MS will change them back to the automatic installation setting every time you do.

by Anonymousreply 160June 27, 2016 2:04 PM

R158, you never have to speak to Cortana. Just type. That's all I ever do.

But it's very useful I've found. Check the "hints" and help sections for what you can do with Cortana... VERY useful for setting reminders. And if you get Cortana for your phone (available for all phones), your reminders will pop wherever you are, which is also really nice.

by Anonymousreply 161June 27, 2016 2:07 PM

R159, most of that is alarmist claptrap.

The only setting I feel defaults to a bad option is the Windows Update option for basically torrenting updates.

To set it to a sane value, go to Settings, Update & Security, and on the Update tab (the default) click Advanced options, and then click "Choose how updates are delivered". Then click the radio button option for "PCs on my local network"... NOT the one that says "...and PCs on the Internet".

Then close Settings, and you're done.

For nearly every other settings, when you turn something off you're also turning off some features that are very useful. So be sure to weight that against the fact that Windows 10 really doesn't compromise your security or privacy in any fundamental way... using Google or your phone (iPhone or Android) is a far worse security/privacy issue.

There is a lot of FUD (Fear/Uncertainty/Doubt) being spread about Windows 10 and privacy. Most of it is bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 162June 27, 2016 2:10 PM

Untrue, R160. Completely untrue.

by Anonymousreply 163June 27, 2016 2:11 PM

We have once again the same old toxic MS fanbois blaming the users and making Microsoft sound like the victim here. What a total load of bullshit. Numerous computers have been upgrading automatically to Windows 10 without people realizing it happening. It has happened without any user interaction, mostly because MS made the W10 upgrade an important update and those are recommended to be automatic to keep the computers up to date in security.

Microsoft just had to pay $10,000 to a woman who lost business because of the forced upgrade. Let's see how much MS ends up having to pay globally when people really start going after it.

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by Anonymousreply 164June 27, 2016 2:29 PM

I have 21 items on my "start" menu, and that's only threw the letter "D". There are more. 95% of which I have never used. Fuck Windows 10

by Anonymousreply 165June 27, 2016 4:21 PM

My computer was upgraded from Windows 7 to 10 without my knowledge, R164.

by Anonymousreply 166June 27, 2016 4:25 PM

No matter which browser I use, they freeze up. I had to remove Chrome entirely. Now I use I.E. Or Firefox Developer. Regular Firefox is hopeless with Windows 10.

by Anonymousreply 167June 27, 2016 4:33 PM

[quote] toxic MS fanbois

And you're not biased at all, R164.

by Anonymousreply 168June 27, 2016 8:08 PM

R167, if your browsers are freezing up like that... you might want to do a reset reinstall of Windows 10 to see if that clears it up. Because something is wrong. that shouldn't be happening, and it might be pointing to something messed up. Just go to settings, Update & Security, click on the recovery tab, and check out "Reset This PC". You can have options to leave your files and applications, or wipe everything clean and start again. You'll want to make sure all your important files are backed up of course. Just in case.

by Anonymousreply 169June 27, 2016 8:52 PM

R168, oh please. If you've read any Windows threads here over the past few years you must know we have at least a couple of pro-MS cunts here bitching at anyone who dares to criticize the mothership. I used to be a mac guy so believe I've met enough delusional fanbois to recognize the crazy. Toxic is the correct word.

I only use Windows computers now (with Androids tablet and phones) and I've no problems saying it out loud if Microsoft fucks it up. They've certainly done that with the whole Windows forced upgrade campaign, and obviously with the privacy problems Windows 10 has had. I'm totally fine with people loving their tech and being fans. At one point I loved being part of the cult of mac but just like I got fed up with the lying and questionable behavior of the mac crazies I'm fed up with their Windows equivalent as well.

by Anonymousreply 170June 27, 2016 8:53 PM

[quote]I have 21 items on my "start" menu, and that's only threw the letter "D". There are more. 95% of which I have never used. Fuck Windows 10

Your START menu is the square tiles. They're not segregated by letter. You can right-click and unpin anything you don't want... or drag and drop to re-arrange.

You seem to be talking about your ALL APPS menu, which is found on the start menu but is totally different. It's the list of all applications installed on your PC. If you don't want one of them, just right-click it and uninstall it. Or you can drag it and drop it onto the start menu itself (or right-click and pin it to the task bar or start menu if you use it a lot). You can click a letter to zoom out, and jump to any other letter too.

by Anonymousreply 171June 27, 2016 8:54 PM

The "privacy issues that Windows 10 has had" is mostly FUD and myth, not actual reality, so someone pushing that narrative is someone proving themselves to be a clueless parrot with an agenda.

by Anonymousreply 172June 27, 2016 8:55 PM

R172, nonsense. Microsoft deliberately made it harder for the average user to turn off all the privacy invading controls. You have to know where to go to make Windows 10 as private as possible.

by Anonymousreply 173June 27, 2016 9:03 PM

No, that's not true. But keep mindlessly parroting something you heard on the internet as if it was true.

by Anonymousreply 174June 27, 2016 9:04 PM

R174, oh yes it is true. I updated my W8 laptop to W10 so I'm completely aware what I had to do to make the computer as private as possible. No such problems with Windows 7.

by Anonymousreply 175June 27, 2016 9:11 PM

Thanks, R171!

It's not intuitive, that's for sure, as the "all apps" menu is where my "start" menu used to be.

by Anonymousreply 176June 27, 2016 9:28 PM

R176... the start menu is where the start menu in Windows 7 was. It's the thing with tiles to the right. So no, the "all apps" is not where your "start" menu used to be. I have no idea what you're talking about.

THIS is the Windows 10 start menu, which is much like the Windows 7 start menu with the addition of live tiles to the right:

Notice how "All Apps" is an option you can click near the bottom left.

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by Anonymousreply 177June 28, 2016 1:24 AM

When you click on the "all apps" menu, the part on the left turns into the "All Apps" menu... which is a list of all installed apps:

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by Anonymousreply 178June 28, 2016 1:25 AM

If you click a letter on the All Apps menu, instead of an app, it zooms out and shows all the letters... with letters that have apps that start with that letter highlighted. This allows you to quickly jump around a long list if you have a ton of apps installed:

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by Anonymousreply 179June 28, 2016 1:26 AM

You're completely wrong, R160. I've had to change my settings back twice since yesterday!

by Anonymousreply 180June 28, 2016 1:35 AM

Then you're doing something wrong. Because you just set it, and it stays that way, even through upgrades.

by Anonymousreply 181June 28, 2016 1:38 AM

If you're talking about your PC at work, your company has the ability to force certain settings, so that's pretty much the only scenario where your settings will be reset... and it has nothing to do with Microsoft, and everything to do with your company.

by Anonymousreply 182June 28, 2016 1:41 AM

Oh, give it a rest, 181. You are full of shit if you think you can tell me what I've seen with my own eyes and experienced with my own laptop. What the fuck is it to you? I don't know why you have this strange need to defend MS. And I never had this problem until MS started pushing Windows 10.

by Anonymousreply 183June 28, 2016 1:44 AM

BECAUSE THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS ASSHOLE. I have a dozen Windows 10 PCs and never had my settings changed back. You clearly either don't know what the fuck you're talking about, or your'e making it up, or you have a seriously broken laptop.

I'm not defending MS, I'm pointing out that what you're saying isn't even possible. If you set the settings, they stay. Microsoft DOES NOT reset it. Seriously, what the fuck are you even talking about??

Stop saying bullshit and I'll stop calling you out for saying bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 184June 28, 2016 1:51 AM

[quote] R177: the start menu is where the start menu in Windows 7 was. It's the thing with tiles to the right...

First, thanks for all the help.

Do you mean, to the left (not right)?

But what you see, is not what I see, it seems. When I click on the "window" icon on the lower left corner, I get the "all apps" menu.

by Anonymousreply 185June 28, 2016 2:27 AM

I notice the icons in the start menu disappear and quickly appear again as if some sort of updating were going on with W10. Why is this?

by Anonymousreply 186June 28, 2016 1:16 PM

Seriously, iVe known many p.c. Users, units at all price levels. They all bitch. Simple solution, go Apple/Mac.. I did and love. Took Sony p.c to Apple and they zapped it all to new iMac and I love it. Yeah I know how you've invested in your old unit, but here change and new is good. At least look into it.

by Anonymousreply 187June 28, 2016 2:11 PM

I've used Macs in the past, no thank you. Oh, you want to copy that disk of pictures you just took to your desktop? Here, let me create fake links and delete all your photos instead.

by Anonymousreply 188June 28, 2016 3:02 PM

R184, you are a troll. I have 2 laptops and 1 PC, and it's happened on all of them. Just happened on my PC in fact. And it's well known MS problem (tons of people have posted about it on MS's own site), so I don't know why you're denying it. You just look like an MS apologist denying reality, which is doubly strange.

by Anonymousreply 189June 28, 2016 3:53 PM

[quote]But what you see, is not what I see, it seems. When I click on the "window" icon on the lower left corner, I get the "all apps" menu.

Are you running Windows 8, 8.1, or 10?

On Windows 10, when you click the Start Button in the lower left, you should see the Start Menu. This will have the "most recently used apps" at the top left, things like "settings", "All apps", and "power/shutdown/restart" in the lower left, and pinned tiles to the right.

In Windows 8, there was a setting to go to the "all apps" screen instead of the start screen. Windows 10 has no such setting that I'm aware of. So I don't know what you're seeing or why.

Here's another description of the Windows 10 start menu, and how you can customize it and how it works... it's short and simple and hopefully you'll find it useful:

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by Anonymousreply 190June 28, 2016 3:58 PM

[quote]I have 2 laptops and 1 PC, and it's happened on all of them. Just happened on my PC in fact.

What SPECIFICALLY are you claiming is happening? Because I've never seen or experienced MICROSOFT re-setting any options back to defaults from the way I set them. Why are you claiming that MICROSOFT is FORCABLY resetting things you've changed as if they're doing it to everyone, when maybe you are just getting hit by a weird bug that affects a small minority of people? Why do you assume it's NEFARIOUS DEVIOUSNESS on the part of Microsoft? Do you realize how stupid and tin-hat you sound?

by Anonymousreply 191June 28, 2016 4:00 PM

R191, it's not a bug. I never claimed it was NEFARIOUS DEVIOUSNESS on MS's part. YOU claim that I claim that while I merely am describing what happens on all three of my computers. Your over the top bizarre defense of MS is simply bizarre and inexplicable. I don't know why you are so invested in something that doesn't even affect you.

by Anonymousreply 192June 28, 2016 4:05 PM

You claim it's "not a bug" (as if you know) but refuse to describe EXACTLY what you are seeing happen in any detail... huh.

I'm not "defending" Microsoft at all, I'm calling you out for irrational attacks and bullshit that you can't even back up.

I'm not "invested" in anything but truth and reality, and I know for a fact that Microsoft does not FORCE your settings back to any default after you change them. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND REPEATED REQUESTS FOR DETAILS FROM YOU HAVE BEEN IGNORED. You just generically say "Microsoft changes my settings", and I can assure you that is a FALSE statement.

Until you provide more detail, I will continue to believe you are a lying asshole who just has a MS-bashing agenda that is beyond tedious and ignorant.

by Anonymousreply 193June 28, 2016 4:33 PM

R192, I've literally never seen that happen with any Win10 system, and I've got five of them here in the house, but since I'm not standing over your shoulder to see what's actually happening I can't say what's wrong. It's REALLY unusual that you'd have this happen on three different systems. With one computer I could easily see it being a corrupt DLL not allowing your settings to reload, but with three computers? I don't see how that could happen. Are these three computers running identical hardware?

by Anonymousreply 194June 28, 2016 4:44 PM

I'm always surprised by how many people don't bother to customize the Start menu or the Taskbar. These are central items to making Windows easier and more convenient to use, and most people just leave them as they came... they don't unpin the 'store' icon from the task bar even though most never use it, just as an example.

So to go with the link above that talks about the Start Menu, here's one that talks about customizing and using the Windows 10 Taskbar:

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by Anonymousreply 195June 28, 2016 8:01 PM

Oh my fucking computer! I was in "tablet" mode, when I actually have a desktop. I switched that*, and I seem to have a screen I am familiar with now. What a fucked-up way of doing business. The designers could certainly have detected that this was a desktop in the first place, and set it accordingly.

*of course, it's a toggle but doesn't have a label, so it's a completely blind process. Fuck Microsoft. I hope I have the good sense to switch to a Mac when it's time to purchase a new computer. I can't imagine how old people will deal with all this in the future, when it gets really complicated.

by Anonymousreply 196June 28, 2016 8:19 PM

R196, Windows 10 actually DOES detect whether you're a tablet or a PC. You must have accidentally tripped up and enabled tablet mode somehow (it's pretty easy to do by just a stray click if you open the notification center and click on 'tablet mode'... note you can customize those tiles to remove Tablet Mode from the default row of tiles when collapsed, just FYI).

And yes, it's a toggle, but yes, there is a label.

And it's all really a lot less complicated than even Windows 7. Not sure how you got into your state, but it's highly unusual for people to have the issue you had.

by Anonymousreply 197June 28, 2016 9:08 PM

[quote]Lies lies lies, [R121]. Nope. Sorry.

The privacy issues in Windows 10 are well known and documented.

And it's no lie that my Ubuntu Linux journey has been fun and mostly painless. The two Windows programs I need...specialized programs used in a hobby...work just fine in a virtual window. Your mileage may vary. You are very silly R122.

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by Anonymousreply 198June 28, 2016 10:19 PM

[quote]it completely lost all wifi ability. It does not recognize its own wifi ability. POS

I started having this problem a few weeks after downloading windows 10. Come to find out that if I moved the computer further away from the modem/gateway it worked, for some reason it just didn't like being close.

Other than this I have had no problems with Window 10. In fact I am downloading it now on an older computer than my regular use laptop. Hope all goes well with that.

by Anonymousreply 199June 28, 2016 11:02 PM

No, R198, the alleged "privacy issues" are well documented in that a lot of FUD is being spread. And most of it has been thoroughly debunked. There is NOTHING in Windows 10 that is automatically less secure or less "private" than Windows 7 or 8. Things like Cortana have OPT IN features that do scan email and such, but it's all ANONYMOUS. Your specific data is not sent out with identifying information unique to you.

It's ridiculous and stupid to get upset about Windows 10.... especially if you ever use Google products at all, or have a smart phone. Those are FAR worse when it comes to privacy.

So stop spreading this lie, this FUD, this bullshit. It just proves you're a parrot who doesn't actually understand what you're talking about.

by Anonymousreply 200June 29, 2016 1:43 AM

It's pretty much the same way people act about Amazon, "Oh noes! Amazon is spying on me!" or "On noes! Amazon is going to destroy all the bookstores that everyone claims they love but don't actually shop at!" or "Oh noes! Amazon is the evilest corporation ever! Because reasons!"

by Anonymousreply 201June 29, 2016 3:59 AM

Except it's way more true of Amazon than Microsoft or Windows 10.

by Anonymousreply 202June 29, 2016 4:01 AM

Nah, none of that nonsense is true.

by Anonymousreply 203June 29, 2016 4:34 AM

Knowing several independent bookstore owners, yeah, most of the Amazon stuff is in fact true.

by Anonymousreply 204June 29, 2016 5:24 AM

The delusional fanbois claiming that Windows 10 doesn't have any privacy issues are talking out of their asses once again, throwing around the term FUD, which btw was once heavily used to describe Microsoft's actions. By default most of the user data sharing settings are turned on after the installation. Here's a list how to fix at least some of them. It's been a while since I updated my W8 to W10 so I don't remember all the settings I had to turn off during the installation and then after in W10.

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by Anonymousreply 205June 29, 2016 9:11 AM

Those are the huge, big-brother is watching my every move, worries over Windows 10?

LOL!

May I repeat, LOL!

by Anonymousreply 206June 29, 2016 3:17 PM

R205, you really are delusional. Anonymized usage statistics and crash information doesn't violate your privacy.

There are far bigger privacy issues with anything Google, Amazon, and iOS/Android. Get a fucking clue. By comparison, Windows 10 is air-tight.

by Anonymousreply 207June 29, 2016 4:01 PM

THIS IS AN IMPORTANT NOTICE:

As of today, you have ONE MONTH LEFT if you want the free upgrade to Windows 10.

Windows 10 is better than Windows 8 in pretty much every way, so there's no excuse to remain on that OS... just upgrade already!

You can upgrade, and then roll back (Settings->Updates & Security), and re-upgrade later in the future for free. So even if you're not ready to make the jump NOW, you can basically 'reserve' a copy in this way.

NOTE: The upgrade is associated with the PC you are upgrading, not with YOU. So you can't "reserve" one for this laptop, but then use it later on THAT laptop.

by Anonymousreply 208June 29, 2016 4:04 PM

Microsoft also announced the next major update to Windows, the "Anniversary Edition", being released August 2nd (a few days after the free upgrade offer expires).

The Microsoft Edge browser will gain extensions (like LastPass and AdBlock), and anyone with touch screens or pen support will notice a LOT of improvements in that area. Lots of bug fixes, polish, and minor enhancements too (including some refinements to the Start Menu and All Apps menu), including performance enhancements. Improvements for users of Xbox and gaming as well.

If you have Windows 10, you get this for free. If you don't, upgrading will cost money.

by Anonymousreply 209June 29, 2016 4:08 PM

Why the hell did they change the word "program" (as in "All Programs") to "App" (as in "All Apps") in Windows 10?

Pointless faux-updated terminology.

by Anonymousreply 210June 29, 2016 4:17 PM

Because everything is "apps" now, and it's what people use and understand. That, and they've unified Windows 10 across all devices (servers, desktops, laptops, 2-in-1s, tablets, phablets, phones, IoT devices, holographic headsets, game consoles). So they also unified terminology.

It's possible to have one app that runs on all those devices. Buy the app once, and you can run it on your phone (if you have a Windows 10 phone, which maybe a million people world-wide do), your touch-tablet, your non-touch laptop, your desktop with keyboard and mouse, and your game console with a controller.

by Anonymousreply 211June 29, 2016 4:24 PM

I played Uno on FB a few hours ago and it runs smoothly. When I played it with W7 it had problems to run.

by Anonymousreply 212June 30, 2016 4:48 AM

I have a mac and can't fucking stand any OSX they've released since Lion. Apple changed the way webpages scroll (making them accelerate faster the more times you swipe, which I find absolutely MADDENING) and offers no way to turn said change off. They also introduced rubber-banding webpages & finder windows, a "user feature" as they call it that is also completely fucking useless and maddening. Apparently it's to make iPhone users feel more at home on a mac? I don't know, but I definitely know I don't want my fucking laptop acting like a smartphone! IMO smartphones are the worst thing to happen to computers/operating systems since the dawn of home computers. Talk about regression & dumbing down. I absolutely hate Apple now and am itching to go back to a PC, but am not looking forward to having to deal with viruses again. Fucked either way.

by Anonymousreply 213June 30, 2016 4:20 PM

R213, the number of viruses that affect Windows 10 (which has built in protection by default) is miniscule compared to the problems back in the days of Windows XP.

Mostly you'll be all right if you just don't click on ads or visit sketchy websites and don't click on links in emails from people you don't know.

Windows 10 is vastly more secure than even Windows 7.

by Anonymousreply 214June 30, 2016 6:12 PM

A great debunking of some of the Windows 10 "privacy problems" nonsense:

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by Anonymousreply 215July 1, 2016 12:27 AM

Another debunking of some Windows 10 privacy nonsense:

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by Anonymousreply 216July 1, 2016 12:28 AM

Can an iPad get viruses?

by Anonymousreply 217July 1, 2016 12:46 AM

I don't think the suspicion of weak privacy with W10 is just not true.

by Anonymousreply 218July 1, 2016 2:17 AM

I can't even parse what you're trying to say, R218.

by Anonymousreply 219July 1, 2016 3:30 AM

R218 takes confounding double-negatives to a new level.

by Anonymousreply 220July 1, 2016 4:27 PM

Only 4 weeks left of free upgrade.

If you're on any version of Windows 8.x, you should upgrade ASAP. For free. Windows 10 is better in every possible way than Windows 8.

by Anonymousreply 221July 1, 2016 7:14 PM

Unless you're running in a really old PC of some kind, that is simply too old and slow and has weird hardware that isn't compatible with Windows 10... you should upgrade.

There's nothing but benefits.

by Anonymousreply 222July 1, 2016 8:52 PM

I notice that they've now changed their pop-up window. Today it gave the options of "update now" "schedule update" and "decline free offer". At least that's better than trying to figure out if it's okay to click X to close the box or whether that just pushes through the update.

by Anonymousreply 223July 3, 2016 5:58 PM

I am MICROSOFT the great and powerful! Pay no attention NSA man behind the curtain.

by Anonymousreply 224July 3, 2016 6:13 PM

Of course ANY problem you have with Windows 10 is YOUR fault, not the fault of this great new operating system.

by Anonymousreply 225July 3, 2016 7:04 PM

R224, if the NSA is keeping tabs on you then Win10 is the least of your concerns.

by Anonymousreply 226July 4, 2016 12:35 AM

R29 still believes the government ISN'T spying on every text, email, website visited...

How ignorant.

by Anonymousreply 227July 4, 2016 2:39 AM

I purchased my laptop (may main home computer) over 2 years ago with Windows 8. I've been receiving constant reminders that I have until July 29 to update to Windows 10 for free (I've received notices since 10 was released, but have ignored them for over a year). I really only use my home computer for internet, itunes, and WordPerfect. Should I update or not? I can't see how it would make any difference whatsoever. On the other hand, it won't be free after the cutoff date.

by Anonymousreply 228July 4, 2016 6:19 AM

I was afraid to upload because of the privacy issues being mentioned since last year and other issues I had read before. I got my laptop in 2012 and I thought I was not a good candidate for W10 either, but I upgraded last week and my laptopt is working even better than when I was using W7.

You can upgrade and give it a try it out, if you don't like it you can always go back to your W8 as long as you do it during the time W10 is available for free download.

by Anonymousreply 229July 4, 2016 8:32 AM

R228, if you have Windows 8 you should definitely upgrade. W10 is not that different but it's more polished and gives you more options you might like, especially bringing back the Start menu. I wrote earlier that the upgrade broke the SSD on my desktop computer (which now has a new SSD with W7 and won't be getting W10 ever again) so I'm not a shill but I upgraded my year old laptop to W10 from W8 last year and it's been working rather nicely, even if starting up takes almost 3 minutes. The slow start-up is probably the biggest annoyance but obviously I could get rid of it by switching the hard drive to an SSD.

by Anonymousreply 230July 4, 2016 8:54 AM

I should have realized that Microsoft was up to no good, when they offered the Windows 10 upgrade at no charge. Now that I know Windows 10 spies continually on its users, I've taken steps to severely limit that ability.

I never EVER use the MS Outlook email address that was created for me when I signed up for Windows 10.

Also, I've changed all of my Windows settings to deny sharing of information, and I re-check those settings each time Windows 10 has automatically updated, because Windows sometimes over-writes them to permit sharing of my personal information.

Finally, I've installed a browser add-on (Ghostery is a good one) to prevent tracking of my movements across the web, and to block web-tracking beacons from being installed in the first place.

by Anonymousreply 231July 4, 2016 9:04 AM

I love to judge people's computer literacy by the number of program shortcuts they have on their desktop. The more it is cluttered with those, the more computer illiterate they prove to be. It's instantaneous and it never fails.

Also the behavior to copy paste from one window to another one (exclusively with the mouse: we have principles you know):

1) I minimize the current window

2) I restore the other window (from the taskbar where it has been minimized

3) I select and copy whatever I need to

4) I minimize the current window

5) I restore the original window

6) I paste

7) I pat myself on the back and I take a deserved break

Below is a link to a list of the Worst Tech products of all time (mostly software). I tend to agree with most of the offenders in that list.

Anyone remembers Realplayer? That POS would really go out of its way to be your default multimedia player, launching at startup and thereby preempting CPU and memory resources when they were still miserable and would phone home constantly to report your playing habits if you did the default installation. The visible download links were to the Gold version of the program (only $29.90 if you order now!) whereas the download links to the free version were in tiny characters at the bottom of the page. And on and on it went. Doing the custom installation was a pain in the ass and being lost in a maze of unintelligible questions:

[quote]Are you sure you want to do that?

[quote]Really really sure?

[quote]You are to do one of the biggest mistake of your life!

[quote]Stop it!

[quote]It might break your computer

and a personal favorite of mine:

[quote]If you are not unsure you don't want to not do the *default installation*, don't click Cancel!

Ah, good times!

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by Anonymousreply 232July 4, 2016 10:02 AM

Come on now eat the W10 turd. it's FREE .chew it.. see it tastes just a good as we told you it would. BTW we watched you eat it.

by Anonymousreply 233July 4, 2016 2:52 PM

R232, desktop tidiness != computer literacy.

R233, you've got issues.

by Anonymousreply 234July 4, 2016 3:32 PM

R228, why WOULDN'T you update? Windows 8 won't be supported anymore. Windows 10 is way more secure, and once you update, you're upgraded for the life of your laptop... for free.

Note that after you update, you'll get updated automatically in a month with the Windows 10 anniversary update, which includes new features and capabilities. You'll get significant updates at least once a year, likely twice a year. You'll miss out on the future if you don't upgrade.

And Windows 10 is better than Windows 8 in nearly every possible way.

by Anonymousreply 235July 4, 2016 5:03 PM

[quote]Now that I know Windows 10 spies continually on its users,

You "know" no such thing, you tin-hat conspiracy theory moron. Because it doesn't. Idiot.

by Anonymousreply 236July 4, 2016 5:05 PM

I am ok with Windows 10, because I disabled Cortana, have Firefox as my standard browser, and also disabled all the "reporting back to Microsoft" options and keep up to date with potential updates that change settings "Facebook" style (where with some updates some of your own set up options are changed to suit Facebook's easy access to your data). I also replaced that horrendously tacky Desktop Tile Menu shell with a, for me, more userfriendly classic menu shell.

I refuse to relinquish my data for free so others can make profit off of it. I paid good money for my computer, and the OS platform that came with it, and I never got into Facebook (because of that whole update setup changes).

Same goes for my smartphone. One of the first things I did was disable my bluetooth, roaming and geo-tag required devices (Google Map, etc.). Grindr, what? Never installed that geo-tag shit.

by Anonymousreply 237July 4, 2016 5:22 PM

[quote] Windows 8 won't be supported anymore.

That's not exactly true. You probably meant it's not getting any new features but Windows 8 will have extended support until 2023.

But you're correct that it's a no-brainer to upgrade Windows 8 to 10 since it's just basically a preview of Windows 10.

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by Anonymousreply 238July 4, 2016 5:29 PM

R237, Microsoft doesn't profit off your information... you're thinking of Google.

The "information" reported back to microsoft is about app crashes and other (ANONYMOUS) data that can be used to help fix problems and make the software better as time goes one. That's all.

And you're aware you can simply unpin the tiles from the start menu if you don't want them, right?

by Anonymousreply 239July 4, 2016 5:32 PM

r239, I am fully aware how to modify the original start menu, thank you very much. Still hated it and changed if for that very reason.

[quote]the "information" reported back to microsoft is about app crashes and other (ANONYMOUS) data that can be used to help fix problems and make the software better as time goes one.

If you want to be part of that sort of Beta-testing relationship with Microsoft be my guest. As mentioned in my post it runs smoothly anway, so no reporting back to Microsoft to improve it is necessary in may case anyway (meaning nobody would benefit from non-existened troubleshooting reports from my PC).

by Anonymousreply 240July 4, 2016 5:39 PM

R239, unfortunately the sneaky way Microsoft has handled the privacy issues with Windows 10 has made them unreliable. There's obviously a long history of Microsoft being not completely truthful so it's really not a new thing.

The reality is that unless you're a boss at Microsoft you have no idea what they're doing with the data they are collecting. Same goes with Apple and Google.

by Anonymousreply 241July 4, 2016 5:40 PM

my apologies, non-existing troubleshooting reports.

by Anonymousreply 242July 4, 2016 5:40 PM

If you have a more modern PC (that uses UEFI instead of BIOS), Windows 10 will boot up a LOT faster than Windows 7.

If your PC is taking a long time to boot up under Windows 10, it's either old, needs updated drivers, or has too much stuff loading on start up (you can check this by going to Task Manager (right-click any blank spot on the task bar), and clicking on the "Start Up" tab. It'll show all the things trying to load on start-up, and what their impact is. You can disable things you don't want or need from here too... but be sure you understand what your'e disabling before doing so, and what the consequences of disabling it are. Google searches can help here if you're not sure.

by Anonymousreply 243July 4, 2016 6:02 PM

R241, that's just not true. The information being sent back has been documented, both by Microsoft AND by 3rd parties just sniffing the wire, and it's all non-identifiable, anonymized information like usage and crashes and related info. Nothing can be tied directly back to you. Everything is amalgamated and the data is used to drive future feature work and bug fixes.

There is additional information that is sent back in an OPT-IN fashion that supports features of Cortana and things like hand-writing... but again, that data is sent in order to provide you with a feature you specifically wanted. If you don't want the feature, don't opt in. But you will forego the possibly useful feature (like better handwriting to text, better speech to text, better answers from Cortana, and things like package and flight info tracking).

by Anonymousreply 244July 4, 2016 6:06 PM

[quote] If you have a more modern PC (that uses UEFI instead of BIOS), Windows 10 will boot up a LOT faster than Windows 7.

My 4 year old i7 desktop with Windows 7 and BIOS using an ssd boots into a totally usable state in about 45 seconds (logging in with a password included). My 18 months old i7 laptop with Windows 10 and UEFI and a mechanical hard drive takes about 180 seconds to be in a usable state. It boots into a login window in maybe 20 seconds but it takes ages for the computer to become totally usable. Yes obviously there are some processes that slow down the boot up, like Adobe's software, but this laptop came with W8 and the booting up wasn't really super fast even then.

Like I wrote earlier I upgraded my desktop to Windows 10 which ended up frying my ssd hard drive. Because I used Windows 10 on that computer for a bit over a week I could see that booting up wasn't really any faster than it was and is in Windows 7. It's really the hardware that makes the difference. For a relatively modern machine with a fast enough processor and enough RAM the biggest thing that matters is that your hard disk is a solid-state drive.

by Anonymousreply 245July 4, 2016 6:28 PM

R244 It is true that millennial shills really are the dumbest fucks on the planet.

by Anonymousreply 246July 4, 2016 7:14 PM

You Windows shilling fanbois who are constantly bitching and moaning about how terrible non-fanboi Windows users are and telling how perfect Microsoft is should take a look at yourselves and wonder why people hate Microsoft. Granted your devotion is nowhere near the craziest of the Apple faithful but still.

by Anonymousreply 247July 4, 2016 7:25 PM

R245, the 'boot up' takes 20 seconds for you (the time to log-in window). The rest is other stuff loading at log-in time.... from an obviously very slow hard drive. You might want to examine all the things loading at start-up... most of it probably isn't needed.

There were a TON of optimizations in the boot up process that cut boot-up time down by well more than half, compared to Windows 7... and that was just in Windows 8. There's been even more optimization for Windows 10. Fun fact: Windows 10 had lower disk and memory requirements than Windows 7 did. They did a LOT of work to shrink down the OS and optimize its performance.

On any given hardware with the same software configuration (stuff loading at boot up)... all else being the same... Windows 10 will boot noticeably faster than Windows 7. The better your hardware, the more noticeable that improvement will be.

by Anonymousreply 248July 4, 2016 7:28 PM

[quote]On any given hardware with the same software configuration (stuff loading at boot up)... all else being the same... Windows 10 will boot noticeably faster than Windows 7.

Like I said on my desktop computer there was practically no difference at all between Windows 7 and Windows 10. But as usual I'm naturally wrong and you're right because Windows 10 is perfect.

by Anonymousreply 249July 4, 2016 8:18 PM

We are Microsoft Inc. and we are here to help for free.

by Anonymousreply 250July 4, 2016 9:36 PM

R247, please point out anywhere someone said MS was perfect. Go ahead, I'll wait.

by Anonymousreply 251July 4, 2016 11:30 PM

I'm going Apple with my next technology purchase. I fucking hate MS. Arrogant, incompetent fuckers.

by Anonymousreply 252July 4, 2016 11:33 PM

R252, you really think Apple is any different? It's not. It's just more expensive.

by Anonymousreply 253July 4, 2016 11:44 PM

R249, why do you always assume your experience is universal? The only valid one? What the fuck is wrong with you?

by Anonymousreply 254July 4, 2016 11:44 PM

R254, it's YOU who wrote this clearly meaning that Windows 10 is always faster than Windows 7:

[quote] If you have a more modern PC (that uses UEFI instead of BIOS), Windows 10 will boot up a LOT faster than Windows 7.

I was pointing out that it was incorrect. I said nothing about my experience being universal but gave me own real life experience. Instead of accepting my experience, which btw is totally valid, you're now trying to attack me with lies and harsh words. You obviously just keep repeating Microsoft's bullet points which are all positive and encourage people to upgrade to Windows 10.

If you're not being paid to do your shilling I turn your question back to you and ask: What the fuck is wrong with YOU? Is your self-worth so tied up with Microsoft that you take it personally when people, quite rightly, question Microsoft's motives and won't just believe every little praise about Windows 10?

Fucking hell you fanbois are tiresome.

by Anonymousreply 255July 5, 2016 12:00 AM

R255, yes, that is a fact. I have no idea why your experience is different, but it's a fact.

And I'm sorry, but correcting misinformation and pointing out some reality about how things are implemented and sharing accurate information does NOT make one a 'fanboi'. Jesus Christ. What the fuck is wrong with you?

by Anonymousreply 256July 5, 2016 12:03 AM

My updates used to take about 20 minutes now they are at least an hour...anyone else have a long update wait time since the upgrade?

by Anonymousreply 257July 5, 2016 12:07 AM

[quote] [R255], yes, that is a fact. I have no idea why your experience is different, but it's a fact.

Oh sorry. I guess only the computers that you and Microsoft approve of can be used as examples when comparing Windows 10 to Windows 7. If Windows 10 doesn't work faster there's something wrong with the computer. Which btw is total bullshit.

And yes, you sound totally like a delusional fanboi who refuses to accept that the product you're pushing is just not as good for others as it is to you.

by Anonymousreply 258July 5, 2016 12:27 AM

R257, updates only take a few minutes at most on crappy Time-Warner Internet for me. I can imagine why they'd take an hour for you.

by Anonymousreply 259July 5, 2016 12:36 AM

[quote] You "know" no such thing, you tin-hat conspiracy theory moron. Because it doesn't. Idiot.

In fact, you are are the idiot.

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by Anonymousreply 260July 5, 2016 1:15 AM

That's much ado about not much.

by Anonymousreply 261July 5, 2016 1:19 AM

R261, thank you for your apology.

by Anonymousreply 262July 5, 2016 1:41 AM

[quote] [R261], thank you for your apology.

Who are you, and why do you think I'm apologizing to you?

by Anonymousreply 263July 5, 2016 3:15 AM

R260 believes everything he reads on the internet.

That shit was already debunked above.

by Anonymousreply 264July 5, 2016 3:36 AM

R258, you really have some strange rage issues.

But yeah, sure, keep blaming Microsoft for all the problems you're experiencing on your non-Microsoft PC with non-Microsoft drivers running non-Microsoft software. Obviously everything is always THEIR fault. They're PERSONALLY out to get you. And anyone who argues otherwise or points out you're being kind of ridiculous is obviously a PAID SHILL FANBOI!!!

You're so delusional.

by Anonymousreply 265July 5, 2016 3:38 AM

Oh, R265, I'm the one with rage issues? Lol. You and your shill buddies keep bitching at everyone who doesn't kiss Microsoft's ass. If the product I paid for causes troubles I sure as hell don't need your permission to talk about it. Me and many other people here also realize that your constant attempt to whitewash Microsoft of any blame regarding Windows 10's privacy is totally ridiculous. I just today noticed that Windows 10 had without permission from me switched on the ads that are targeted at me. I had turned off every single thing I found in Windows 10 and on Microsoft's web page to keep everything private but apparently Microsoft just doesn't believe in the user freedom. And yes, bring up Google once again since that seems to be the answer every time when you and your fanboi buddies can't deny that Microsoft has done something questionable.

BTW, yes you do act like a total fanboi. Like I wrote earlier I used to be Mac guy for a long time and I've met enough fanbois to recognize the evangelizing and the getting angry at non-believers immediately. Dude, these are computers we are talking about and we have every right to discuss their faults as well. You and fanboi buddies keep trying to shut down the discussion about Microsoft's faults. Now that's just sad.

by Anonymousreply 266July 5, 2016 4:32 AM

Yeah, your perception of reality is really warped, R266. I think the issues are with you. Stop projecting them onto everyone else.

And stop assuming that any bug or all the issues you have are universal or are nefarious and purposeful. You really are delusional. It's a wonder you have any tin foil left after making all those hats. Because everyone (me, microsoft, other posters, old apple users) are out to get you. It must be exhausting to be you.

by Anonymousreply 267July 5, 2016 4:35 AM

People use Windows?

by Anonymousreply 268July 5, 2016 4:41 AM

R267, you have dozens of pro-Microsoft messages in this thread. And in many of your messages you're being a total cunt towards people who dare to criticize MS or Windows 10. Calling me delusional and a tinhat brings in mind the old Microsoft with its constant FUD. Were you there already?

by Anonymousreply 269July 5, 2016 4:49 AM

Yeah, and you still believe Microsoft maliciously wrote Windows 10 to destroy your hard drive, so.... yeah. You have faulty 3rd party hardware, but of course it's MICROSOFT'S fault. I think anyone being cunty towards you is perfectly justified.

by Anonymousreply 270July 5, 2016 4:57 PM

R270, I've never claimed MS deliberately and maliciously destroys hardware. It's more about shoddy coding really. If you're as in the know about all things Microsoft as you pretend to be then you're fully aware that Windows 10 has been causing trouble for some hardware. Obviously not for all hardware. I've been using my laptop with W10 for a long time without big problems. People voicing their issues with Windows 10 obviously doesn't go with your blatant agenda of only praising Windows 10 to high heavens so you just start attacking me and trying to make me the bad guy here.

Well, I just spent $150 to buy a new ssd and spent quite a many hours trying to fix the fucking Windows 10 nightmare on my desktop computer so I don't really suffer fools like you gladly. Thankfully I had a two month old backup of my previous Windows 7 on an external drive which totally saved me.

So once again a warning to people: [bold]back up your Windows 7 installation before installing the Windows 10 upgrade![/bold] You can do it easily with free software if you don't want to pay. I had used some older free version of True Image (that I for some reason couldn't find online anymore) but I managed to restore that backup with a demo version of the latest True Image. I also bought a new external hard drive that I use only to take a clone of my Windows 7 ssd with Macrium Reflect Free. It takes about 30 minutes to back up a hard drive with 200 gigs of data using USB 3. From now on I'll be doing it weekly. I'm of course taking backups automatically of my work files every 30 minutes to an internal hard drive (and every few days to an external) but I hadn't been too vigilant about the complete OS backup earlier. After the Windows 10 fiasco I am now.

by Anonymousreply 271July 5, 2016 6:27 PM

R271, you really twist and spin a lot.

Someone saying that what you experienced isn't common (and isn't malicious) is not in any way denying the reality of what you faced. It's just pointing out the OBVIOUS truth that 1) Blaming Microsoft for it is kind of stupid, and 2) your experience isn't universal or general or in most case even remotely common.

You have some deep-seated need to bash Microsoft and anyone that points out they aren't the devil and that windows 10 isn't actually total shit. It's weird. You're like the polar opposite of a 'fanboi'... you think anyone who doesn't hate MS as much as you do is a 'fanboi', when the reality is you're just as bad as any fanboi just in the opposite direction. (What is that anyway, a haterboi?)

You really need to calm the fuck down. Most of the things you are ranting about exist only in your imagination.

by Anonymousreply 272July 5, 2016 7:08 PM

R271, I don't twist and spin anything. You've been trying to push Windows 10 in dozens of your messages and get upset if people don't fall over with admiration towards Microsoft and Windows 10. I've been using computers for over 20 years so yes I've seen enough to not think too highly of Microsoft or of Apple. Fanbois are people who refuse to see anything negative about their heroes and you've acted exactly like that in this thread. I don't really care if that hurts your feelings since you and your fanboi buddies here have been extremely unpleasant to people who have criticized MS or Windows 10 in this and other threads. When I've told my real life experiences I've been constantly attacked and have been told by you and others that it's all my fault or my hardware's faulty.

Years ago when Apple brought out their iBooks with TN display panels there was an outrage among the mac users at Apple Discussions forum because as we all know TN panels at the time had dreadful viewing angles and their color reproduction was terrible when compared with e.g. IPS and PVA panels. One user refused to believe the whole thing and kept posting countless messages attacking anyone who dared to criticize Apple. When asked of a proof of his oh so perfect iBook display he posted a screen shot of his desktop, you know the one you take with software. His head was so up his ass about Apple not doing anything wrong that he first of all refused to even comprehend what people were talking about and secondly acted like a total cunt towards other people who were voicing their real concerns. And that is how I see you Microsoft fanbois as well. There isn't really anything to argue about since you're just trying to spin everything into Microsoft not doing anything wrong (or if it is it's "a bug") and you're attacking Windows users who don't share your deep faith.

If I hadn't seen the countless delirious mac zealots over the years I'd seriously believe that you're being paid to shill for Microsoft. But I guess you're really doing it all for free. Thankfully I don't meet guys like that very often since the incestuous mac zealotry was one of the reasons I switched to Windows. After being bitchy myself in this post I should point out that it's great you're helping others with their questions about Windows, I'm doing that myself as well. You just have to realize that trying to blame people who have had real problems with Windows 10 makes you seriously look unhinged.

by Anonymousreply 273July 5, 2016 7:49 PM

^ And I obviously meant to address R272 since I'm R271 myself.

by Anonymousreply 274July 5, 2016 7:51 PM

So, as a dispassionate observer...

One side here rails against Microsoft as evil without any evidence. The other side presents actual evidence of Windows 10 being faster, safer, and not spying on you.

Who to believe...

by Anonymousreply 275July 6, 2016 1:37 PM

I tried to save my W7 version but I simply didn't have an incredibly big DVD disc to burn all ttta data on and I don't possess a portable hard drive either.

by Anonymousreply 276July 6, 2016 2:33 PM

Large USB Flash Drives and even bigger USB hard drives aren't that expensive and are readily available.

All you really need to do is backup your data, and make sure you have SETUP discs and registration keys for any software you want to re-install if you have to.

If you upgrade to Windows 10, it "saves" your windows 7 or 8 install in a folder called Windows.old, and you can switch back to it at any time during the 30 days after you upgrade (just go to settings, there's a link there that will take you back).

Even though the upgrade will do everything it can to preserve your data and applications and settings, it's always best to back things up if you can, including exporting your browser bookmarks/favorites and saving them off.

Note that Windows 10 also comes with 5GB of OneDrive cloud storage for free.

by Anonymousreply 277July 6, 2016 2:56 PM

The only zealot I see here is R273. Good lord, let it go.

by Anonymousreply 278July 6, 2016 3:48 PM

[quote] One side here rails against Microsoft as evil without any evidence. The other side presents actual evidence of Windows 10 being faster, safer, and not spying on you.

Obviously the talk about the privacy issues of Windows 10 has been passionate but it's been important to do it. How many people would've just gladly let Microsoft e.g. target ads at them based on their usage data if they hadn't realized it's happening? Our resident fanbois have pretended from the start that MS can not be doing anything else than improve the Windows user experience with the data it's collecting but at the same breath say they accuse especially Google of doing bad things with its user data. The reality is nobody outside Microsoft really knows what they are doing with the data. I'd like to believe they are not doing anything evil but MS does have questionable past.

I've written how W10 upgrade broke my ssd and the fanbois obviously attacked me for having faulty hardware. Could be but there hadn't been any problems with the drive with Windows 7. That's the problem with fanbois: They completely refuse to think something might be wrong with Windows 10. It's immediately a user error if something goes wrong in their minds. I personally believe Windows 10 changed they way it interacts with hard drives and caused some kind of event that possibly fried circuits or whatever on my drive. Or messed up with wrong drivers like it used to do with graphic cards a year ago which ended up frying cards.

One thing's for sure: Microsoft's forced upgrade campaign has caused loads of headache for people with messing up computers and making them lose work.

People who rarely visit these Windows threads possibly don't realize that we have at least one hardcore MS fanboi at Datalounge who I've been sparring with a few years. Since I have loads of experience with Apple fanbois it's fun sometimes to push fanboi buttons a bit. It doesn't mean those guys aren't extremely annoying with their FUD and constantly deflecting any criticism presented towards Microsoft. BTW, I should point out that I'm not the OP of this thread and I certainly haven't blamed Microsoft for being a totally evil corporation. However the way the company has handled the privacy issues in Windows 10 has raised concerns. The reality is you have to turn off quite many settings to make Windows 10 as private as possible. No one can argue with that, not even the fanbois.

by Anonymousreply 279July 6, 2016 10:05 PM

You weren't ATTACKED for having faulty hardware. It was pointed out to you that your hardware failed because your hardware was faulty, not because Windows 10 broke it. Correlation is not causation.

We have an entire office of many dozens of PCs with SSDs, and all upgraded to Windows 10 last fall without any issues (well, two Lenovo PCs had issues because their boot partitions were too small, and they kept failing the upgrade until we wiped them and did a fresh install after repartitioning... but that was an OEM issue, not a Microsoft issue).

The ONLY "FUD" being presented in this thread that I can see is the notion that Windows 10 destroys SSDs and Windows 10 actively spies on you or harvests your information to generate revenue. None of that is true.

But keep fucking that chicken.

by Anonymousreply 280July 6, 2016 10:09 PM

[quote]I personally believe Windows 10 changed they way it interacts with hard drives and caused some kind of event that possibly fried circuits or whatever on my drive.

Your ill-informed made-up pulled out of your ass 'beliefs' are not 'facts. And the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'.

If Windows 10 "fried" your SSD, it was because there was something deeply wrong with your SSD, and it was going to go eventually at some point anyway.

How about you actually do what sane and rational people do, and accept the judgement of people who ACTUALLY know what they're talking about, rather than clinging to your beliefs that have no actual real basis other than "it feels right to me".

by Anonymousreply 281July 6, 2016 10:12 PM
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by Anonymousreply 282July 6, 2016 11:13 PM

Calling people who present evidence against your unsubstantiated theories "fanbois" pretty much exposes you as an emperor with no clothes.

by Anonymousreply 283July 6, 2016 11:46 PM

[quote] If Windows 10 "fried" your SSD, it was because there was something deeply wrong with your SSD, and it was going to go eventually at some point anyway.

You don't know that so don't pretend that you do. You're acting like Windows 10 could not be responsible at all but you can't be certain about it which in fact does make you a fanboi who's only looking after Microsoft's reputation.

[quote]Calling people who present evidence against your unsubstantiated theories "fanbois" pretty much exposes you as an emperor with no clothes.

What's the evidence? That the computers these guys upgraded didn't have ssd failures? That's anecdotal evidence as well. I haven't claimed to know exactly what happened with my ssd but I very much suspect it was Windows 10's fault. What makes these guys fanbois is that they immediately refused to believe that Windows 10 was in any way responsible for the failure although they must be fully aware of the reports of hardware failures. And yes calling me a liar and saying my hardware was faulty without really knowing the facts is attacking me. Nothing new here at Datalounge. Pro-Microsoft fanbois are a sad bunch and they've been total cunts here for years, long before Windows 10. Apparently their self-esteem is tied up with Microsoft's reputation.

by Anonymousreply 284July 6, 2016 11:55 PM

I have an old, old Windows desktop that I haven't used in years. I haven't even powered it on in more than 2 years, and that was when I upgraded it from XP to Windows 7. I just turned it on last night... damn it's slow. Took nearly 10 minutes to boot, log-in, and become usable. It spent hours last night just applying updates.

Poking around with it, I was shocked how old and out of date it felt... how much harder or more inconvenient things were compared to Windows 10. Even simple things... like accessing OneDrive or checking updates, or even just finding things.

I'm going to update it to Windows 10 and see if it's any faster or not. I imagine on hardware this old, there won't be much difference but it'll be an interesting experiment. And since I don't use this old desktop anymore, it's not like I'm risking anything by taking the free upgrade.

I'll report back when it finishes... maybe tomorrow or Friday, we'll see.

by Anonymousreply 285July 7, 2016 12:23 AM

"What makes these guys fanbois is that they immediately refused to believe that Windows 10 was in any way responsible for the failure although they must be fully aware of the reports of hardware failures."

Except correlation is not causality and there is no way to connect W10 to these hardware failures.

by Anonymousreply 286July 7, 2016 1:48 PM

What you little bitches are doing is making this thread impossible to read. I don't care about your little hissy fit with one another. Grow up you little queens.

by Anonymousreply 287July 7, 2016 1:52 PM

If your SSD failed during Windows 10 installation, the problem is with the SSD (or less likely but still possible... the 3rd party driver for it). OS upgrades/installs do "stress" drives (SSD or Hard) because of all the literally millions of file copies and moves and writes and reads that are performed during the process. Any hardware that is marginal may be stressed to the point of failure.

This does not mean or imply that "Windows 10" fried your SSD. To continue to claim such after it's been explained to you over and over that it's a ridiculous assertion just proves you're an idiot. Stop.

by Anonymousreply 288July 7, 2016 4:41 PM

[quote] Except correlation is not causality and there is no way to connect W10 to these hardware failures.

Says a Microsoft apologist. Obviously the fact that the hardware failed fairly soon after Windows 10 was installed had nothing to do with Windows 10.

[quote]OS upgrades/installs do "stress" drives (SSD or Hard) because of all the literally millions of file copies and moves and writes and reads that are performed during the process.

So you're now saying it's possible the upgrade did in fact fry the hardware. And btw, my ssd got broken about 7 to 10 days after installing Windows 10, not right after. I used it for over a week without any visible problems. BTW, if I remember correctly this is the first time any of you MS fanbois has offered any kind of possibly correct technical reason why my ssd got fried. Slow claps for that.

[quote]Stop

Read the thread title. You think this is a MS fanboi convention?

by Anonymousreply 289July 7, 2016 5:53 PM

[quote]Obviously the fact that the hardware failed fairly soon after Windows 10 was installed had nothing to do with Windows 10.

So if you had installed Photoshop and it failed due to all the stress of the file copies, you'd be blaming Photoshop and Adobe for destroying your SSD?

Why do I doubt that?

You are such a fucking moron who clearly doesn't understand one goddamned thing about how computers work, or even have the slightest ability to understand what has been explained to you multiple times by multiple people.

[quote]So you're now saying it's possible the upgrade did in fact fry the hardware.

Are you really stupid? Do you not understand the words that are being typed at you?

[quote]And btw, my ssd got broken about 7 to 10 days after installing Windows 10, not right after.

And you don't understand how this proves what everyone else is telling you and disproves what you are claiming?

Goddamn you're stupid and dense. I'm actually embarrassed for you. You really won't let this stupidity go even after being told multiple times by multiple people how stupid it is. You are like a republican bashing Hillary that won't listen to any reason why all the bashing is wrong, you just want to bash. BASH BASH BASH!

by Anonymousreply 290July 7, 2016 6:31 PM

[quote]Goddamn you're stupid and dense.

At least I don't pretend Photoshop and the OS are the same thing. And here we go once again with personal attacks. And yet you still can't prove that Windows 10 hasn't been responsible for the hardware failures. For people who don't know my case is certainly not the only one. There were multiple reports of hardware failures when Windows 10 started spreading (at first with the developers and then among others as well) and like in the link I posted a few posts back many people have wondered was it Windows 10 upgrade that fried their ssd. But yes, keep up with your arrogant bullying, it's good people see what you fanbois really are made of.

[quote]multiple times by multiple people

There are probably only two of you fanbois behaving like you know it all, or possibly only one. And you haven't really shown you possess much knowledge about the matter, you've just kept on being cunts. At one point I thought you might work in IT support and pitied your customers but the thing is you don't really seem to know that much beyond the basics. Are you the "software developer" who wished a poster would kill himself because he didn't agree with your Microsoft praising in one of the previous Windows threads? What meds are you on?

by Anonymousreply 291July 7, 2016 7:25 PM

"Read the thread title. You think this is a MS fanboi convention?"

No, I thought this would a thread where people would bitch about what Win 10 ACTUALLY DOES. And maybe there would be helpful people who would tell us how to fix it. Not just whiny bitches blaming Win 10 for not being able to fit into last year's pants.

by Anonymousreply 292July 7, 2016 7:47 PM

R292, you mean when Windows 10 ACTUALLY DOES break hardware it doesn't count?

by Anonymousreply 293July 7, 2016 7:58 PM

Windows 10 didn't break it, asshole. Jesus. What part of that aren't you understanding? IT WOULD HAVE BROKEN EVENTUALLY REGARDLESS. IT WAS A FAILING SSD. A HARDWARE FAILURE. SHIT HAPPENS.

WINDOWS 10 DIDN'T DO THAT.

CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION.

by Anonymousreply 294July 7, 2016 8:07 PM

[quote]At least I don't pretend Photoshop and the OS are the same thing.

WTF? Who ever claimed they were? You really are deeply ignorant in that you can't seem to grasp the very simple thing that is being explained to you.

Your SSD failed. It had nothing to do with Windows 10. If you hadn't upgraded at all, it would have failed. It might have failed fi you installed a bunch of huge apps. It might have failed if you did a bunch of video or photo editing. It might have failed over night just running a virus scan. BUT IT WOULD HAVE FAILED REGARDLESS. Installing and using Windows 10 had nothing what-so-ever to do with it, you fucking moron.

by Anonymousreply 295July 7, 2016 8:08 PM
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by Anonymousreply 296July 7, 2016 8:14 PM

My attempts to upgrade my decade-old desktop have failed twice now. Some error is hit, and then it politely and nicely rolls back to Windows 7.

I really have no idea what is wrong. It passes the 'compatibility' test, but when I google the error code, the implication is that there's some hardware or driver problem. I can't even imagine what it is, as there's nothing fancy or unusual going on with this PC.

Oh well. I would have loved to do timing tests, but it doesn't look like I'll be able to get this upgraded before time runs out.

by Anonymousreply 297July 8, 2016 4:31 AM

BTW, here's a link to the other thread for people who actually want hints, tips, and answers to legitimate questions about Windows 10, instead of listening to some guy rant insanely that Microsoft is evil and ate his hard drive and that anyone who doesn't agree is a 'fanboi'...

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by Anonymousreply 298July 8, 2016 4:33 AM

R298, with your messages like R129 you don't sound like a Microsoft shill at all. That's obviously just one of your dozens of pro-Microsoft messages in this thread. Yes, you are a fanboi. Don't worry, I'll follow you wherever you go.

by Anonymousreply 299July 8, 2016 5:38 AM

That's a tad obsessive and stalkerish R299. I think they may have a point.

by Anonymousreply 300July 8, 2016 1:56 PM

R300, considering we have one or two hardcore Microsoft apologists working this site it's sometimes good to remind him/them that some people see right through their bullshit. I wouldn't really care if they were nice, I mean there's nothing's wrong with liking Windows, I like Windows 7 and 10 myself, but when they bully the people they feel are tarnishing Microsoft brand things get very different. I hate bullies and when one wishes the other person would die just because he doesn't agree that Microsoft is a perfect company things turn nasty.

It's been like this for years here. The fanbois first act like they practically are from a Microsoft PR team posting super positive stuff about MS products ("MS OFFICE IS ONLY $99 A YEAR - TOTALLY REASONABLE!!!") but when something negative comes up, and it usually does, the fanbois turn into total cunts. Or [italic]a[/italic] fanboi. I'm still not convinced there's more than one. We seem to have maybe two nasty fanbois working in tandem in this thread but I suspect it's just one person.

by Anonymousreply 301July 8, 2016 10:52 PM

People on DL have a rage problem. Nothing can be discussed without inuslts, name-calling and excess of aggression. >.<

by Anonymousreply 302July 9, 2016 3:57 AM

[R23], Mac fried my brain. At one point, my father told me my attitude had become 'combative.' And he was correct. I was suffering a mental meltdown from the fuckery that my Mac caused me. Just one point of darkness was that in the middle of working on an image, the software would destroy it. Just destroy it. I couldn't go back because I'd not saved it. Sorry, my fault entirely for not saving an image. Destroyed it. Hours of work. Destroyed it. And let's not talk about clicking on an update and finding an entire application erased and some fuckhole piece of shit in its place. I hate Windows. But I'm so inured to this rain of shit called computers that it now just rolls offa my back.

by Anonymousreply 303March 9, 2018 10:24 AM

Agree with the posters above who say Windows 7 was the best OS Microsoft ever produced.

It was stable, it did everything it needed to do, it didn't have many annoying glitches or idiosyncracies, and it looked better than any of its successors.

by Anonymousreply 304March 9, 2018 10:32 AM

I don't know, I think Windows 10 has really settled in by now with all the upgrades and improvements and is definitely the best one yet. Haven't had any issues with it and it's working perfectly, even after the recent Intel bug patch that was supposed to be the end of the world. It's fast like a mofo and secure and that's all I need.

by Anonymousreply 305March 9, 2018 11:05 AM

10 version 1709 install is a bitch.

by Anonymousreply 306March 9, 2018 11:13 AM
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