Butch Sous Chef Murder Anniversary thread...

It's "Soft Butch Sous Chef"

I bet Jamyra is going to get out early. I bet she'll appeal her sentence and get out after ten years. She'll talk about her fear of rape and PTSD or some bullshit. She might even sue the hotel. She has them all by the short hairs because no one wants to revisit the urder or attract any publicity.The Hotel, his old law firm, etc.All the girl has to do is make some noise and they will figure out a way to quiet her down.

Helping to solve this case was DataLounge's finest hour.

Can someone briefly explain how DL had a hand in helping solve the case ?

Wish DL could help get to the bottom of the creepy Indy preacher's involvement in his wife's murder. That one has gone unsolved way too long. I have low hopes that the Indianapolis police can figure it out.

Sweet Lord, chile! Where have you been, R4?????????????????????????????

I've been getting out of the house and living an actual life, r6. So how, exactly, did datalounge have a hand in solving this case?

Newbie here r6

Well because. We just KNEW. We have a vast network out here and contacts, and we had resources and people everywhere.We broke the case. We started out gossiping about it, then speculating and some one knew some one, and it was just a wonderful experience. It was the high point of my participation on DL. Those of us who shared that experience will never be the same. I cannot wait for our next case to pop up.

Oh, somebody posted on here that he'd tricked with, or messaged with, the victim, and everybody encouraged him to go to the police with the information, and he did, and that broke the case wide open. The police might have suspected—as many of us did from the get-go—that the murderer had met up with the victim via Grindr or the like, but now they had the info. Yea us! Correct me if I'm getting any of this wrong; it's been a whole year.

Actually, R10, it was a friend of someone who had tricked with Messerschmitt who was a DataLounger. He convinced his friend (after much urging from DLers) to contact the police. Because the friend had kept his emails with DM, the police were able to use the dummy email address he had used to communicate with DM to connect to Jamyra's fake Craigslist ad/account and messages to DM which turned out to be instrumental in breaking open the case and catching the killer lesbian.

DataLounge, and specifically the one poster who came here to mention his involvement in the case, are the reason.

Besides all that though, it was theorized very early on here that this was a married man whose gay tryst had gone horribly wrong. The Soft Butch Sous Chef angle also turned out to be pretty on-point since it did turn out to be a thug dyke masquerading as a gay Latino male.

Does that about cover it, y'all?

[quote] I bet Jamyra is going to get out early. I bet she'll appeal her sentence and get out after ten years.

You have 120 days after the day of sentencing to file a motion for resentencing. Unless the sentence was an illegal sentence there isn't anything to appeal. I suppose she could file a motion for ineffective assistance of counsel on sentencing but that is almost ridiculous in her case given her lawyer and the resources at his disposal.

Her only other option would be to appeal on grounds of ineffective assistance of counsel for failure to advise her properly on her options as to her guilty plea. If that worked she could withdraw her plea and start from scratch. She can try but in reality that route ain't going nowhere. It's near impossible to withdraw a guilty plea.

Next, Datalounge Crime Solvers should be hot on the trail of the Sir Alan Penrod Death by Misadventure/Involuntary Manslaughter/Ruptured Major Organ/Whatever Else Needed to Be Hushed Up.

I have a coupla points to add to Mrs Charles and I Miss AMH's posts

'Because the friend had kept his emails with DM, the police were able to use the dummy email address he had used to communicate with DM to connect to Jamyra's fake Craigslist ad/account and messages to DM which turned out to be instrumental in breaking open the case and catching the killer lesbian.'

The key thing is that Messerschmitt was very DL. He used a burner smart phone to create his CL account, and to communicate with his tricks via his tricking gmail account. Of course, the police searched his home and work computers and tablets and his 'official' cell, and found nothing to indicate what we at DL knew in a flash - David was gay and killed by his hook up.

Murderbutch stole the burner cell and threw it in a trash can near the Donovan. Therefore the police had no means of linking David's death with his DL activities. Remember, there was no connection between Gallmon and Messerschmitt other than the fact that she catfishes him on DC DL, as latino hustler 'Chris Sanchez'. All the evidence of this was on the burner phone.

Enter datalounge. A DLer told us his pal had hooked up with David. He pal had emails, from the secret gmail account and the pal knew David's CL user name. The pal did not want to go to DC Homicide with the info. David liked to be sucked off by guys. He told the DLers pal he was engaged 9to his wife, Kim Vuong).

We encouraged the Dler to urge his pal to at least call the cops with David's secret email address. Anyway, the guy went to the police.

Then, they were able to get a warrant to search David's gmail, and they were able to get his account activities from CL. In his email they found an email from 'Chris Sanchez'. That email was linked to a PayPal account. In the name of ...Jamyra Gallmon.

'The Soft Butch Sous Chef angle also turned out to be pretty on-point since it did turn out to be a thug dyke masquerading as a gay Latino male.'

What tripped us up was the footwear. We concluded Murderbutch was wearing chefs clogs.

In fact they were her Mall Cop shoes, as we saw when this picture of her emerged when she was arrested

Many of us knew instantly that it was a woman. You see, the Donovan hotel security cams caught a glimpse of "a person of interest" that was filmed going up the hotel stairs (because the elevator was allegedly out of commission) From the screen capture, it was difficult to determine the sex of the suspect, but we here at DL KNEW it was a Butch Lesbian.

We went back and forth exchanging ideas, exploring various scenarios, and speculating but the bones of it , of how it actually went down, WE were the ones who broke that case wide open. We put it all together, and we were leagues ahead of the police. it was awesome! Certainly worth a moment of reflection as the anniversary is fast upon us. Was it February 9th that it happened?

And of course we knew his wife and law firm wanted to keep things out of the press and not let the sordid details of poor David's double life come into public view for dissection. We figured that's why The Butch Sous Chef Kiiller pleaded it out. To avoid a trial. In that one respect, I felt cheated. A trial would have made everything part of the public record.

The hotel room where he was murdered, according to the police report, which we analyzed to death and we were right about that too, well the hotel room was a blood spattered mess. We were even able to recreate how the deed must have gone down. Him being primed and ready, in bed, and her coming on to him with her knife. he even stopped at the drug store and bought lube, poor guy. But alas, it was a lesbian murderer not a trick, and she done him in. The one thing we did not allow for was that she had an accomplice who waited outside for her. They foolishly used his metro card and which corroborated their involvement.

[quote] Can someone briefly explain how DL had a hand in helping solve the case ?

Datalounge didn't. The police had one real suspect. The person that the security camera footage showed entering and leaving the hotel room. Lo and behold that one person seen entering and leaving the room was the murderer. Shocking!

Be gone, R17! You don't know shit about it. We broke the fucking case.

Damn, was it a year ago?

Poor guy. CL is dangerous, yo!

Careful, R17. You'll get all the hissing-queen-Miss-Marple-wannabes in here all up in your cooch if you diss their crime-solving acumen!

Hissing queens we may be, but we kept David Messerschmitt's case alive online. And the CCTV footage of Gallmon did nothing to help the police. She was bulked up in a thick man's jacket, she'd covered her face, no wits came forward to identify her. The police couldn't figure out if it was a man or a woman! Or if she was black or asian!

They needed David's tricking email to get to Gallmon. We did our part.

Well, then, brava!

[quote]it was a friend of someone who had tricked with Messerschmitt who was a DataLounger. He convinced his friend (after much urging from DLers) to contact the police.

That was the big moment, definitely, but I would swear we had a couple of people say they thought he looked familiar early on, and one guy saying he was going to check his Grindr history, too.

And while R17 is right that they had the surveillance footage, finding the email DM used for hookups was what broke the case open. He apparently did his hookups on a phone that Jamyra stole, and until the friend of the DLer who had hooked up with him went to the police, the police didn't know what email to look under. Once they got that info, they found Jamyra posing as Latino rough trade.

[quote] And while [R17] is right that they had the surveillance footage, finding the email DM used for hookups was what broke the case open. He apparently did his hookups on a phone that Jamyra stole, and until the friend of the DLer who had hooked up with him went to the police, the police didn't know what email to look under. Once they got that info, they found Jamyra posing as Latino rough trade.

Whether they had the phone or not. The phone company had the records of his activity.

R24, stop trying to downplay the involvement of DataLounge in the solving of this case. The facts are already out there about how it went down. You're failing out.

Also, I'm not sure what you're saying. The phone company doesn't keep records of emails you make on a phone.

One important point: I think it's important that even before we unearthed the CL connection, or found the friend of a friend, etc. It was something uniquely DL that allowed us to even go there. Man found slashed to death in a hotel room. Our canny speculation, our astute observations, our ability to tease out various scenarios and have fellow DLers add or subtract or pick apart theories, is what was important.

We scanned other websites, Gat advocacy organizations, even ones connected to other lawyers, etc. and people were wandering around clueless, although the gay sites did give us leads about this type of crime. When everyone else assumed it was a male perp, we were the ones who sussed out pretty quickly that this was a scam gone wrong.

A woman who did the deed who went there not to hook up, but to rob and quite possibly to murder. We knew from our vast network that this was not an uncommon occurence. We monitored the police's progress and read the reports online so we could add to our theories and were ahead of the police on this one, by a ile. Didn't we even have people who went to the bar to hang out and try to get a reading on the scene at the Donovan? I can't begin to recreate the atmosphere here, how we all bonded and came together to work this case. I mean I'm sorry for David, and what was done to him was horrible, and I'm sure his wife & parents had a hellish time of it, but it was exhillerating to be part of solving it. And we certainly did.

8 Ways Police Can Spy on You Without a Warrant

There are plenty of ways for law enforcement, from the local sheriff to the FBI, to snoop on the digital trails you create every day.

Authorities can often obtain your emails and texts by going to Google or AT&T with a simple subpoena. Usually you won’t even be notified.The Senate last week took a step toward updating privacy protection for emails, but it's likely the issue will be kicked to the next Congress. Meantime, here’s how police can track you without a warrant now:

1. Phone Records: Who You Called, When You Call

2. Location Data: Your phone is a tracker

3. IP Addresses: What computers you use

8 Ways Police Can Spy on You Without a Warrant

There are plenty of ways for law enforcement, from the local sheriff to the FBI, to snoop on the digital trails you create every day. By Theodoric Meyer, Peter Maass / ProPublica December 6, 2012

The U.S. government isn’t allowed to wiretap American citizens without a warrant from a judge. But there are plenty of legal ways for law enforcement, from the local sheriff to the FBI, to snoop on the digital trails you create every day. Authorities can often obtain your emails and texts by going to Google or AT&T with a simple subpoena. Usually you won’t even be notified.The Senate last week took a step toward updating privacy protection for emails, but it's likely the issue will be kicked to the next Congress. Meantime, here’s how police can track you without a warrant now:

1. Phone Records: Who You Called, When You Call

How they get it

Listening to your phone calls without a judge's warrant is illegal if you're a U.S. citizen. But police don't need a warrant — which requires showing "probable cause" of a crime — to get just the numbers you called and when you called them, as well as incoming calls, from phone carriers. Instead, police can get courts to sign off on a subpoena, which only requires that the data they're after is relevant to an investigation — a lesser standard of evidence.

What the law says

Police can get phone records without a warrant thanks to Smith v. Maryland, a Supreme Court ruling in 1979, which found that the Constitution's Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable search and seizure doesn't apply to a list of phone numbers. The New York Times reported last week that the New York's police department "has quietly amassed a trove" of call records by routinely issuing subpoenas for them from phones that had been reported stolen. According to The Times, the records "could conceivably be used for any investigative purpose."

2. Location Data: Your phone is a tracker

How they get it

Many cell phone carriers provide authorities with a phone's location and may charge a fee for doing so. Cell towers track where your phone is at any moment; so can the GPS features in some smartphones. The major cell carriers, including Verizon and AT&T, responded to at least 1.3 million law enforcement requests for cell phone locations, text messages and other data in 2011. Internet service providers can also provide location data that tracks users via their computer's IP address — a unique number assigned to each computer.

What the law says

Many courts have ruled that police don't need a warrant from a judge to get cell phone location data. They only have to show that, under the federal Electronic Communications Privacy Act (EPCA), the data contains "specific and articulable facts" related to an investigation — again, a lesser standard than probable cause. Delaware, Maryland and Oklahoma have proposed laws that would require police to obtain a warrant for location data; Gov. Jerry Brown of California, a Democrat, vetoed a similar bill in September. Last week, the Senate Judiciary Committee approved a bill championed by Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., to update the ECPA, but it would not change how location data is treated.

3. IP Addresses: What computers you use

How they get it Google, Yahoo, Microsoft and other webmail providers accumulate massive amounts of data about our digital wanderings. A warrant is needed for access to some emails (see below), but not for the IP addresses of the computers used to log into your mail account or surf the Web. According to the American Civil Liberties Union, those records are kept for at least a year 4. Emails: Messages you sent months ago

How they get it

There's a double standard when it comes to email, one of the most requested types of data. A warrant is needed to get recent emails, but law enforcement can obtain older ones with only a subpoena. Google says it received 7,969 requests for data — including emails sent through its Gmail service — from U.S. law enforcement in the first half of 2012 alone. Other email providers have not made similar statistics available.

5. Email drafts: drafts are different

How they get it

Communicating through draft emails, à la David Petreaus and Paula Broadwell, seems sneaky. But drafts are actually easier for investigators to get than recently sent emails because the law treats them differently.

6. Text messages: As with emails, so with texts

How they get it

Investigators need only a subpoena, not a warrant, to get text messages more than 180 days old from a cell provider — the same standard as emails. Many carriers charge authorities a fee to provide texts and other information. For texts, Sprint charges $30, for example, while Verizon charges $50.

7. Cloud data: documents, photos, and other stuff stored online

How they get it

Authorities typically need only a subpoena to get data from Google Drive, Dropbox, SkyDrive, and other services that allow users to store data on their servers, or "in the cloud," as it's known.

8. Social media: The new privacy frontier

How they get it

When it comes to sites like Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn, the social networks' privacy policies dictate how cooperative they are in handing over users' data. Facebook says it requires a warrant from a judge to disclose a user's "messages, photos, videos, wall posts, and location information." But it will supply basic information, such as a user's email address or the IP addresses of the computers from which someone recently accessed an account, under a subpoena. Twitter reported in July that it had received 679 requests for user information from U.S. authorities during the first six months of 2012. Twitter says that "non-public information about Twitter users is not released except as lawfully required by appropriate legal process such as a subpoena, court order, or other valid legal process."

[quote] A woman who did the deed who went there not to hook up, but to rob and quite possibly to murder. We knew from our vast network that this was not an uncommon occurence. We monitored the police's progress and read the reports online so we could add to our theories and were ahead of the police on this one, by a ile. Didn't we even have people who went to the bar to hang out and try to get a reading on the scene at the Donovan? I can't begin to recreate the atmosphere here, how we all bonded and came together to work this case. I mean I'm sorry for David, and what was done to him was horrible, and I'm sure his wife & parents had a hellish time of it, but it was exhillerating to be part of solving it. And we certainly did.

The police had one suspect who's gender they immediately questioned. That one suspect was seen entering and leaving the room. That one original suspect was indeed the killer. The police had access to his phone records and internet activity. I'm sorry but you solved nothing.

A simple link would've sufficed, R28. None of that changes the fact that the police had hit a brick wall when DataLounge came in and solved the case for them.

Thanks. But you don't seem to understand. The police obviously had access to his home computer, work computer, and his phone. "simple subpoenas turned up nothing. Because he wasn't using that stuff for his hook ups. He had a burner phone no one knew about.He also had an alias, and a fake e-mail account and if you didn't know where to look you wouldn't find them. He was discovered because of the friend of a friend who hooked up with him and then they tracked to Chris Sanchez who was in fact the murdering Butch Sous Chef.

Regardless of the phone If he used the hotels wifi the police could track down the data.

R32 go shit in a bag! Nothing you can say will rob us of the knowledge that we were instrumental in solving a murder. I am sick and tired, and others must also be, to have to defend ourselves. It all seems so pat to you. But it wasn't. And D.C. homicide investigators were dragging their feet for weeks before this broke. They needed all the tips and leads they could get. All the naysayers in the world cannot change what happened.

Exactly, R33. We all know what happened. And no one can take that away from us.

Fuck off, CUNT at R24/R27/R28/R32.

This is surely the same guy who showed up after Jamyra was arrested telling us we had nothing to do with it. He's taking it very personally and has been holding a grudge about DL for months. Kind of wonder what's up with him.

Most likely an unhinged, fact-free troll, R35.

Thank you, all of you, for the clarifications, the well-deserved preening, and the equally well-deserved smakck-down to r24 etc., who must have wandered over here from Websleuths or whatever that site was whose hapless users followed a few of their absurd red herrings over this way to impede our deliberations—in vain.

Maybe it's the guy who had an infarction over the suggestion that a hotel would put a mirror on the landing of the stairwells.

Pah. We who were here in the Soft Butch Sous Chef threads know very well what went down.

The naysayers are just peeved they didn't get to partake of the best threads in DL history.

David was a down low gay. VERY down low. And married. The police hadn't a thing to go on, because his poor wife Kim had no clue that David was using his occasional 'gym hour' to check into The Donovan for some hustler action. He carried his lube and douching kit in his gym bag and there was no trace of any gay activity at home, at work or on any of his official media.

Without gay men coming forward to help out, outraged that a murderous cat-fishing soft butch had taken the life of a fellow gay, Gallmon could still be happily robbing and stabbing her way through DC's upmarket hotels to keep that nasty little girlfriend (who took the bus using the Metro card stolen from David's wallet ! ) of hers in Timberlands and weed.

Marry me, R26 & R39. Wone's killer(s) still elude the Datalounge Crime Avengers, though. The DC cops really fucked that one up royally.

R39, excellent summary, however you left out the part where Butchy Gallmon wanted to become a law enforcement officer (!).

Didn't Jamyra have a very angry, thuggish Twitter account that we deep-dove into? If I recall correctly, there was even a block of time right after the murder where the usually very-busy-on-Twitter Gallmon went radio silent and then popped back up with a tweet that was very telling.

It was essentially just another piece of the puzzle.

Yes, I recall that R42. I thought we also accessed photos. Did she have an IG account? We found her lover, and discovered the lover had a kid, we discovered Jamyra's desire to be in law enforcement and her failed dreams. I think we found a facebook account too. Didn't she try to enlist, too? It's a jumble ro me right now...the effects of too much weed. We really fleshed out the narrative. Found out where David used to go, his old mentors, his career path being sort of stalled, casework, etc. We actually constructed quite a fact based narrative of the principals, and also correctly guessed they would plead this out so his law firm and his wife would not be subject to more publicity. The law firm really wanted this to go away ASAP. They didn't want to be known as THAT law firm...

Datalounge comes up as the 6th "hit" on a google search of "Kim Vuong".

Was my favorite read on the 'net for awhile, thanks DL'ers. Until the next case!

What comes up as the 4th hit when I googled Kim Vuong was our thread 'Soft Butch Sous Chef 6 : Kim Vuong Soeaks' . I chuckled when I revisited it and saw this, which will give newcomers some of the typical flavour of the discussions:

'Seriously [R5] that's how you think things should be handled? DMs grieving mom should go to Thomas Circle and march around with a placard while demanding answers from passers by? Next you'll suggest his dad should dress as a soft butch sous chef and infiltrate a lesbian bar.'

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

I still intend to visit Zentan in The Donovan one day and sample their Asian Fusion. I shall raise a cocktail glass to David, and to all of you.

[quote] R32 go shit in a bag! Nothing you can say will rob us of the knowledge that we were instrumental in solving a murder. I am sick and tired, and others must also be, to have to defend ourselves. It all seems so pat to you. But it wasn't. And D.C. homicide investigators were dragging their feet for weeks before this broke. They needed all the tips and leads they could get. All the naysayers in the world cannot change what happened.

R33 Don't be angry with me. Forgive me for ruining your fantasy.

[quote] Just days following the murder, Messerschmitt's wife showed police a portable tablet computer with her husband's Gmail account. It was then that police were able to find that Messerschmitt was using an all-male social network known as Grindr, and he had an alternate email account, dcguy456@gmail.com, on Grindr as well as Craigslist -- where detectives say he made the posting for male company to meet him at The Donovan Hotel.

[quote] Detectives say that account exchanged messages with a chrissanchez0906@yahoo.com email address. Documents state Messerschmitt asked the person on the other end of the Yahoo account to meet him at Room 400 between 7 and 7:30 p.m. on the night of the murder.

[quote] Detectives believe it was Jamyra Gallmon who was using that Yahoo account and they believe it was her seen on surveillance video entering the hotel at 7:45 p.m. on February 9.

[quote] The majority of the documents were search warrants filed under seal until now.

[quote] What is probably most revealing is the timeline set by them. It is not until a full month after Messerschmitt's body was discovered that detectives uncovered the chrissanchez0906 Yahoo account.

[quote] Five days after that, Messerschmitt's wife, Kim Vuong, was asked by police to speak publicly outside D.C. police's headquarters. This occurred exactly one week before Gallmon was arrested for Messerschmitt's murder.

[quote] Police also say they uncovered a Google Voice phone number they believe Messerschmitt was using to meet male partners for sexual encounters and it was used to hide the communication from his family.

R11 (and R14 and R16) gave a very good account of Datalounge's role. But one big thing everyone on Datalounge missed was the race of the Sous Chef. No one guessed she was Black.

Interesting, R49. Didn't know about all of that.

Don't feed the troll, it craves attention, best to just ignore & block it

Yes because the police department, the victims wife, the courts and the local news have all conspired to discredit dataloungers. Um hm. OK

The guy whose friend hooked up with DM told us on the 13th -- he's #258 in the first thread. Go look for yourself. No shock that the DC police had Messerschmidt's hookup email on the 17th. The timing works out just fine.

It's important to remember that it wasn't until late March that they found the Chris Sanchez account, which sounds an awful lot like they suddenly got information from someone to make them check the hookup email a little more closely.

Someone on DL (and I think another person over on Joe My God, IIRC) knew people who had hooked up with DM, and DLers pushed for him to go to the police. It happens. It's not that odd of a coincidence.

If your feelings get hurt because people online sometimes have information that can help the cops about the commission of a crime, then maybe you need to see someone about that, because it's not a normal or logical way to feel.

As for Jamyra's Twitter, it was her Tumblr that had most of those photos. She often reblogged stuff from the lady who helped her buy the zip ties.

Her friends were on Twitter saying DM deserved to die because he was gay, which pissed me off enough to report them to Twitter, who generally gives zero shits about that kind of thing, so I assume those cunts are still tweeting away.

The only point of contention between the fox report and our posts about how this case was solved is this : did the police find the secret gmail account on the tablet Kim gave them, or did they become aware of it only when the DLer's pal who had tricked with David and exchanged emails with him, went to the cops.

Note the timeline: 'Just days following the murder, Messerschmitt's wife showed police a portable tablet computer with her husband's Gmail account' then the report makes clear ''It is not until a full month after Messerschmitt's body was discovered that detectives uncovered the chrissanchez0906 Yahoo account.''

The reporter is conflating the two events - Kim handing over the tablet, and the discovery of David's secret emails with Gallmon - and assuming causation, where there is none.

Kim of course showed the cops David's home use tablet, and of course she was able to show them 'her husband's Gmail account' - his OFFICIAL one.

But, as the report says, ' 'It is not until a full month after Messerschmitt's body was discovered that detectives uncovered the chrissanchez0906 Yahoo account.'

The report does not say 'the cops uncovered the sanchez account on the tablet Kim gave them'.

Because that is not how they found out about it. David was an intellectual property lawyer at a conservative firm. He was married. He did not surf gay hook up sites on his home tablet that Kim had access to. He used the burner cell that Gallmon stole and threw away.

It was some weeks after the murder that the DLer's pal went to the cops with David's gay hookup email address. He was hesitant about doing so because he did not know if it was the right thing to do to out David.

If the cops had the tablet Kim gave them 'days' after the murder, why did they not find the email from 'chrissanchez0906' in David's secret email account within a few days? David was a murder victim, the cops would have had a warrant to compel Google to release the data from any account the cops SPECIFIED they needed to look at.

If David had accessed the secret account on the tablet, the cops were incompetent and did not find the secret account on the tablet for weeks.

The fact is that the cops clearly only became aware of the secret email account when a gay guy called them a few weeks after the murder and told them he had tricked with David and gave them the gmail. Then the cops search that account and find Gallmon within hours.

'Police also say they uncovered a Google Voice phone number they believe Messerschmitt was using to meet male partners for sexual encounters and it was used to hide the communication from his family.'

Yes, and they found that when the searched Gallmon's cell. She and Messerschmitt exchanged - was it a short cell phone conversation or texts? shortly before Gallmon entered the Donovan. Gallmon and her girlfriend Dominique were across the street buying the neon zip tags to tie David's fingers.

Again, incompetence on the part of the cops : the two of them were caught on CCTV buyng those zips, which were found at the crime scene and in the Murderbitch apartment after the arrests.

[quote]If the cops had the tablet Kim gave them 'days' after the murder, why did they not find the email from 'chrissanchez0906' in David's secret email account within a few days?

Right, exactly. Either the cops just overlooked the email and online hookup angle completely (and out of incompetence), or they didn't have the information they needed until about a month later.

As I recall, the Young man who came to us for advice indicated that his friend wasafraid that he might be called as a witness or something, and he wanted his name kept out of the public record? I only mention it because it seems like, from reports that the Cops did do that.

The fact is, the only way they could break a case like this, since no one came forward to ID the figure on the stairs, was through a Confidential Informant.

Yes, the informant wanted to keep his own identity from the media for understandable reasons. Perhaps he himself was not out and even if he is, he hardly wants his online hooking up with guys known to his employer and parents 9or partner, perhaps..).

But he also was sensitive to the fact that by going to the police, he was outing a closeted married guy whose wife was grieving. It was a tough spot for anyone to find themselves in. But he did the right thing , bless him. And probably asked the cops not to mention him to the press.

[quote]Her friends were on Twitter saying DM deserved to die because he was gay...

Odd. If they were "friends" with the killer, surely they knew that she was gay herself.

All this silly petty back and forth is juvenile. Reality is we DO NOT KNOW since we are not privy to the details of the police investigation. I've read all of the docs filed with the court and you cannot tell. It just is not specific enough.

If there is a possibility that someone from here helped then that's great. If not then even corroboration of something the police may have already uncovered is also a great help. In any event I hope no one is discouraged from future help.

They didn't seem to know, R62. There wasn't a single comment that made it sound like any of them knew she had a girlfriend, they thought the other woman involved was just her friend.

'Odd. If they were "friends" with the killer, surely they knew that she was gay herself.'

That is odd, as she and her girlfriend were obviously out, they lived together and their social media made clear they were lesbians.

Her friends probably meant 'he was a white rich gay, so he deserved to die'.

R63 is a Republican. He sounds as if he's talking about Global Warming.

I think R63 is that Websleuths tourist who was pretending to be a lawyer in the original threads.

Ironically, Jamyras father appeared to be a crunchy granola "make love not war" kinda guy on Facebook....he posted about how proud he was of his daughter and the obstacles she had overcome. Sad--I wonder if he knew what a lowlife criminal she was. She moved into a new apartment w her girlfriend and then promptly quit her job. She appeared to quit for no other reason than pure laziness. Guess what--after that, she couldn't pay the rent for several months, and they were about to be evicted. Hence the desperation to get money...

Can't remember if Kim Vuong's statement at Gallmon's sentencing was posted. Here it is. Gallmon and her GF got off lightly. They should have received the death penalty.

Jamyra is a little thug CUNT and I hope she rots in prison. However, I have a niggling feeling that she's having more of an "Orange is the New Black" experience, lezzing out day and night and recruiting baby dykes into her little gang.

Y'all, Dominique Johnson's tumblr account went from August 2015 until this January without anything being archived, but once January started, her account became active again, and NSFW.

Johnson got six months for her role in perverting the course of justice and co-conspirong to rob David, if I recall correctly.

Which might mean she's now free and posting tits and shoot 'em up gifs on Tumblr as per her pre-jail habits.

Six fucking months! She knew Jamyra killed David and she used his Metro card to get free bus rides to work at the fast food joint!

The wife's letter is sad. You can feel the anguish. I'm appalled that the judge bought Jamyra's excuse that David's reistance "triggered" a memory of when she was raped and she just went crazy. She had the fucking knife. He was unarmed. She menaced him. His wounds to his hands were defensive wounds, and there was blood spattered everywhere. He was overkilled, too. Stabbed way more than a couple of times.

If the situation had been reveresed, let's say she breaks in to his room, and he defends himself with the only thing available to him, a knife. She dies. Could he have pleaded self defense? Probably not. Her story sucks and the judge bought it. Trouble is, if there had been a jury trial, she probably would've walked away free with that defense. I just expected the judge to sentence her to something resembling a just sentence and what she got instead doesn't begin to cover it. Unfortunately under our system of justice, the only one who has a right to appeal is the perp.

As usual, DL'ers are delusional. Yes, people put clues together here, but you didn't help the police solve the crime, they did it on their own.

"Just days following the murder, Messerschmitt's wife showed police a portable tablet computer with her husband's Gmail account. It was then that police were able to find that Messerschmitt was using an all-male social network known as Grindr, and he had an alternate email account, dcguy456@gmail.com, on Grindr as well as Craigslist -- where detectives say he made the posting for male company to meet him at The Donovan Hotel.

Detectives say that account exchanged messages with a chrissanchez0906@yahoo.com email address. Documents state Messerschmitt asked the person on the other end of the Yahoo account to meet him at Room 400 between 7 and 7:30 p.m. on the night of the murder.

Detectives believe it was Jamyra Gallmon who was using that Yahoo account and they believe it was her seen on surveillance video entering the hotel at 7:45 p.m. on February 9."

Case closed - by DC Police, not DL Police.

And dumbass r5, that has been solved by the police also with 3 suspects being arrested with a ton of evidence. Please stop trying to be Nancy Drew or Nancy Grace.

R73, where did you see that the judge bought her excuse?

Well look at her sentence.

I would have preferred to have the murderer strapped to a George Foreman grill and thrown into a swimming pool. Just sayin.

[quote] I would have preferred to have the murderer strapped to a George Foreman grill and thrown into a swimming pool. Just sayin.

Those Foreman grills are not that heavy, so I don't think it would have weighted her down.

Is the Upstate NY lesbian quadruple murder story on DL? I can’t find it yet.

r79

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There were at least three threads an hour ago, R79.

Yawn, the cops solved it, DL had nothing to do with solving it. Yes people speculated correctly but you did nothing to actually assist the police, I don’t care about a dl user encouraging a friend. I wanna see the receipts in court evidence stating some ho contacted the po po with a burner email. Ps Craigslist doesn’t have usernames

I was here as it all unfolded, and it was brilliant.

Datalounge's greatest moment.

Jamyra is probably living the high-life, eating a ton of vagina on a weekly basis.

I hope Davey Blackburn is reading this and starting to sweat. Tick tock, Davey. They're coming for you!

[quote] Regardless of the phone If he used the hotels wifi the police could track down the data.

You can't trace back data of anything unless you have access to the device used to do it. Data is stored on devices a wifi will only, at the most, get you the info that someone used that location through their IP address.

Without the burner phone or a laptop with that information, you have nothing. Assuming he did everything through his burner phone including surfing the web to check his email, you have nothing.