What is the obsession people have with fanfiction?
One of my co-workers told me that she writes fanfiction for television shows (The Good Wife, Sherlock, Law and Order). Until she explained it to me, I didn't even know that such a hobby existed. It seems strange, to write fiction based upon fiction, doesn't it? My co-worker is really nice, and I get along with her quite well, so I didn't want to be rude and ask her why she devotes so much time to her stories and her favorite 'ships.'
I'm surprised, but am also oddly fascinated, that people have time to care so deeply about television shows and characters. Is my co-worker just plain crazy, or is this a popular hobby?
|by Anonymous||reply 130||a day ago|
I think people who do this for tv shows, movies, books, etc are doing it as a writing hobby or maybe to start out as a writer. Maybe come up with some ideas and then change the names. I think 50 Shades of Grey started like that.
The real creepy ones are those who write it about real life people and celebrities.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||01/17/2016|
I have a friend, also a writer, mother, and part-time worker, who is something of a minor celebrity for her fan fiction. She was even flown to a convention for an all expenses paid trip. She said she was constantly mobbed by fans of her stories. I think it's pretty weird too, but it's definitely a contemporary cultural phenomenon.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||01/17/2016|
I had assumed this was an Internet era phenomenone. But I read on TV Tropes that people were sharing or selling fan fic at Star Trek conventions in the early 70s. The concept of the Mary Sue started with a character in Star Trek fan fic from the 70s. I think it's become much more popular with the internet making it much easier to share and sell.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||01/17/2016|
[quote]I think people who do this for tv shows, movies, books, etc are doing it as a writing hobby or maybe to start out as a writer. Maybe come up with some ideas and then change the names. I think 50 Shades of Grey started like that.
Yeah, 50 SHADES OF GREY started as TWILIGHT fan fiction.
[quote]The real creepy ones are those who write it about real life people and celebrities.
They call it 'shipping (short for relationSHIP), when you pair up famous people (or even fictional characters) you think should be romantically involved.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||01/17/2016|
How out of touch are you OP that you didn't realize that fan fiction existed?!
|by Anonymous||reply 5||01/17/2016|
OP, if you want to see people obsess about fiction and tv shows, read any of the Golden Girls, I Love Lucy, Housewives of " ", soaps, or porn threads. It may seem odd to some but I don't think it means people are crazy. In most cases it's harmless and fulfills some need.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||01/17/2016|
Why is it creepy R1? There is gay fanfiction on Tumblr. Which I think is a good thing for young gay teens who lack mainstream gay content. It’s just fantasy. What’s the harm?
|by Anonymous||reply 7||10/06/2018|
I've stumbled upon fan fiction before about real people but it was very creepy and I couldn't read more than a couple of lines before feeling like I was in someone's dangerous, gross delusion.
I haven't read any fanfic of fictional characters/shows/film franchises but I guess that would just be like what changing writers who write for a series do. Some people are very gifted writers even if they don't write professionally and those who are most successful at this hobby, those who gain a following online or win fan awards for it should probably be hired to work for the franchise.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||10/06/2018|
I'm way more concerned with how fixated DL is on fanfiction and how creepy they think it is. There have been a *lot* of threads about it over the years.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||10/06/2018|
I sometimes read bad fanfiction for laughs. A lot of the Brokeback Mountain fanfics were pretty funny.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||10/06/2018|
R9 It's the first one I've seen but I've only been on here for about 2 years. And come on, fanfic where some famous person is written as having sex with a sibling is creepy. Irreverent jokes are made on DL about such things but for someone to secretly submerge themselves deeply in a fake world of incest between famous siblings, it can't be good for their psyche.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||10/06/2018|
Cassandra Clare's The Mortal Instruments started as Ron/Ginny incest fic from Harry Potter. It also had Draco in a green leather thong.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||10/06/2018|
R11, there's all kinds of extremely creepy stuff out there, sexual and otherwise, that DL doesn't bat an eye about. And it's not like celebrity incest is an unknown topic of discussion here, but something about fanfiction seems to really trigger some people here. I think it's because it's mainly written by women.
[quote] secretly submerge themselves deeply in a fake world of incest between famous siblings
Do you actually know that this is what's happening, or are you just speculating and playing this up to make a point?
|by Anonymous||reply 13||10/06/2018|
[Quote] It also had Draco in a green leather thong.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||10/06/2018|
I write slash fanfiction about Sixties sitcoms. Last night I submitted a piece about Miss Hathaway getting it on with Mrs. Drysdale.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||10/06/2018|
Yeah, that 50 shades frau is a billionaire now from ripping off Twilight and writing some of the most saccharine dreck I've ever read. Couldn't finish it.
I've read some good fanfics over the years. But a lot of it's really bad. I only like it if it stays true to the characters in the source material. I can't stand when cheesy writers take well known 'human' characters and turn them into werewolves, aliens or vampires. Ick. Some fledgling authors edit their own, original, pre-written fiction to shoe horn popular characters into the cast.....just to get readership. So you end up with a lot of stupid, poorly written fics with the characters from.....let's say Game of Thrones or Harry Potter, who don't act or speak anything like the characters in the actual book/show/movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||10/06/2018|
I don't mind that it exists, but since these "authors" have risen up from their cubbyholes and actually published their dreck, it's given rise to the horrid M/M women-penned ridiculous romance subgenre, with inane gay characters, shape-shifters, and hetero-acting relationships.
Because they practically give their books away online, they've crowded out actual gay literature. Amazon should more clearly separate this drivel in a much lower sub-category.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||10/06/2018|
R13 Fair point. I guess the level of seriousness around is also an issue, whether someone or not as created an alternate reality for themselves or they're just playing around.
As for the rest, don't mock my waist-coat ripper writing style! It serves a very necessary purpose on here, adding a intimate swell of luxurious romance to a cruel, unfeeling world!
|by Anonymous||reply 18||10/06/2018|
There's definitely a crazy side to fan fiction though.
The "mpreg" story lines (male pregnancy) where Sawyer knocks up Jack from "Lost" and they have a baby together.
The m/m story lines about two characters who weren't gay on the show, where they turn the fancfic into something about the actual actors (Ian Sommerhalder and Matthew Fox getting it on off camera while shooting Lost) and where the physics.of the sex scenes don't work with two male bodies.
But mostly because enough of those fanfic writers are also obsessive stalkers of the actors themselves, the same fraus who start all the crazy fan stalker threads on DL
|by Anonymous||reply 19||10/06/2018|
Fanfiction is garbage. And so is that shitty instagram “poet”, Rupi Kaur. No one respects the art of the written word anymore. It’s depressing.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||10/06/2018|
There are Orphan Black stories where basically people ship Tatiana Maslany with Tatiana Maslany as any combination of the dozen clone characters she played, all of whom were basically sisters. So, it's all incest porn but so much weirder.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||10/06/2018|
It can provide a great sense of story structure if one wants to play around in someone else's sandbox while honing their own writing skills. You're following someone else's rules in their worldbuilding and trying to fit your own ideas into it while still remaining true to the show. Its hard to come up with a great plot for a novel, but I had harbored thoughts of writing for a long time, starting out with short stories. For a while there, I got a bit obsessed with Breaking Bad - I don't think I've ever been that invested in a television show and its characters before - so at some point in the wait for the final season I decided to write a little thing about Gus Fring sexually subjugating Jesse Pinkman while manipulating him into cooking for his organization. For one thing, I absolutely loved the character and wanted to create a world of his past that the show only hinted at, and two, the image of Giancarlo Esposito eating out Aaron Paul's ass was hot. Plus, it was cool to throw something out there to contend with so many female authors' silly ideas of the way gay men have sex with each other. I ended up writing over 281k words for this fic, lol. 39 god damn chapters. But it definitely showed me where my weaknesses are as a writer and what I need to work on. The euphoria you get when "fans" praise your work is easy to get used to and can sustain you through a miserable week at your real job.
Reading it, however, is another experience. I really can't follow the stuff that can't come up with a way to keep the characters true to their show version.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||10/06/2018|
Just look at the DL threads that I always place on 'ignore', spinning fantasies about Sam Heughan, Timotay and Armie and his wife, Dylan Geick, etc. Nutty people spinning endless fictions about them from a few IG posts. DL is full of fan-fiction.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||10/06/2018|
I've dabbled in fanfiction of sorts with some Nifty.org story. I was talking to an author of one of my favorite stories off and on for nearly eight years. I decided to write my own erotic fiction, but found that my characters were basically his with a slightly different story line. After a long hiatus between our communication, and a bunch a free time while on a vacation, I wrote an ending to his story. He appreciated the contribution and that was that.
I wish I was a better writer. I have the skills for big picture arcs but lack the discipline to create characters, so copying real or fiction is a happy medium. It's all a secrete hobby so no one really knows but I understand the fanfiction group.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||10/06/2018|
R22, you should beta for those fraus and teach them how to write men. They would love you for it. You might even be able to find a way to make some money helping them edit. There is a real thirst for knowledge in that world. I don't think most of them are defiantly choosing to be inauthentic, they just lack some basic knowledge of how men interact with each other in same sex relationships. How they talk, and, yeah, have sex. I'm actually not as bothered by their ignorance of the mechanics as I am with all the whining, hand wringing and angst between characters that is just too...... womanly. And all the talk in bed. Yackity yack yack yack instead of just getting down to business. Yeesh.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||10/06/2018|
it’s a secrete hobby alright, r24!
|by Anonymous||reply 26||10/06/2018|
"you should beta for those fraus and teach them how to write men."
R25, I'd rather crawl through a field of broken glass.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||10/06/2018|
R22 I would love to read that! Would you consider uploading and linking to it somewhere like Nifty perhaps?
|by Anonymous||reply 28||10/06/2018|
I can't find anything on the Internet older than 2009, but in 1997 there was a LOT of 'California Dreams' fanfic where the male characters were having sex with each other.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||10/06/2018|
This thread is actually interesting.
Fanfiction is an opportunity for writers to generate content that is not allowed by ordinary media outlets. Originally the gay and lesbian content was a theme because gay fiction didn't get the mainstream treatment -- so fan fiction filled a gap in gay fiction by revising pop culture to include otherwise excluded voices.
Now it is more of a training ground for writers to play at drafting narratives for an audience that likes the interactiveness of online fandom communities. But the cringe is still huge.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||10/06/2018|
"Tenderly but passionately Master Yoda removed the shell of Darth Vader's armor, exposing the yielding flesh within crying out for attention from Yoda's wrinkled and hairy green lips..."
|by Anonymous||reply 31||10/06/2018|
You sure about that R30?
I thought most m/m fanfic was written by straight women
|by Anonymous||reply 32||10/06/2018|
Eh, so what. Men (both gay and straight) have been writing female characters for centuries.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||10/06/2018|
Fanfiction is porn for women. Non-explicit versions is wish fulfillment.
Men react to and are sexually stimulated visually. Hence, porn magazines and the proflieration of porn on the internet. The picture alone is enough.
Women aren’t as easily stimulated visually. They need the mood set, so to speak. They use their imagination more. Fan fiction is a convenient way to ease into the imagination. The characters already exist and are pleasing to them. Then they they need a scenario, and away they go.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||10/06/2018|
These women authors are obsessed with finding a gay male couple and having them turn bisexual for the book's fantasy woman.
It's really creepy.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||10/06/2018|
R30, let me do a rewrite:
Fanfiction is an opportunity for talentless wannabe writers to spew content that is far beneath, and justifiably snubbed, by ordinary media outlets. Originally the gay and lesbian content was a masturbatory theme because gay fiction that is garbage didn't get the mainstream treatment -- so fan fiction filled horny, womens' secreting gaps that literary gay fiction proved too difficult for them to read or write. By pseudo-plagiarizing pop culture, they include otherwise deservedly excluded voices that ramble on with absurd and derivative porn.
Now it is more of a training ground for untalented writers to play at thieving narratives for a lowbrow audience that needs the interactiveness of online fandom communities to fill the gaping void in their otherwise unsatisfied lives.
The cringe is still deserved.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||10/06/2018|
Those sound like people who desperately need a bowling alley in their middle-of-the-nowhere towns.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||10/06/2018|
R35. The vast majority is the opposite. Straight men/characters written as gay.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||10/06/2018|
[quote]They call it 'shipping (short for relationSHIP), when you pair up famous people (or even fictional characters) you think should be romantically involved.
The origin of shipping had nothing to do with famous people though it encompasses them now. It came from early in the X-Files fandom and whether you wanted to see Mulder and Scully engage in an overt romantic relationship on the show.
Slash (pairing seemingly heterosexual male characters in a gay relationship) came from the Star Trek fanzines of the 70s that used K/S as a signifier of their content— Kirk and Spock paired romantically. It’s a weird rabbit hole where you can learn about Vulcan dick amongst other fan theories.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||10/06/2018|
r39 I learned a thing — I had always equated “slash” with “snuff”
|by Anonymous||reply 40||10/06/2018|
Then you aren't searching the right fandoms R29. A poke around in the Wayback Machine will turn up fic from 2002/3 and even earlier.
This thread has stoked the morbid curiosity I've always had for this subculture, and last night as a result I went looking for some of the exact stories I liked at around 14 years old (so the early-mid '00s). To my mild surprise the archive I used to read is still up and technically still live, though none of the dozen main posters have contributed in a decade and the formatting of the site is broken af in the browsers we have today. I even tracked down a few of the stories I remember reading (as if they were The Decameron) and to my surprise some even hold up fairly well. Perhaps in niche fandoms from way back in time the writing is better quality than it often is now...
It's all so ridiculous and time-killing as a pursuit in retrospect, but at the time it filled a void of what I now guess was extreme boredom & loneliness (as R38 points out) stirred in with hormones and my romantic wangst. The sad reality that I grew up in a Conservative, repressive, gender-segregated environment pushed me further in.
I don't read these now and probably wouldn't get into reading new ff again unless I was depressed or trapped somewhere alone with nothing else to do. But I don't regret reading all the stories I did, and in fact I believe that sifting through so many stories good and bad made me a better writer (the same way RPing did for me as a kid).
|by Anonymous||reply 41||10/06/2018|
As if academia wasn't already going to hell:
|by Anonymous||reply 42||10/06/2018|
Care to share the site r41?
|by Anonymous||reply 43||10/06/2018|
[quote]Organized into four thematic sections, the essays address fan-created works as literary artifacts; the relationship between fandom, identity, and feminism; fandom and affect; and the role of creativity and performance in fan activities. Considered as literary artifacts, fan works pose important questions about the nature of authorship, the meaning of “originality,” and modes of transmission. Sociologically, fan fiction is and long has been a mostly female enterprise, from the fanzines of the 1960s to online forums today, and this fact has shaped its themes and its standing among fans. The questions of how and why people become fans, and what the difference is between liking something and being a fan of it, have also drawn considerable scholarly attention, as has the question of how fans perform their fannish identities for diverse audiences.
[quote]Thanks to the overlap between fan studies and other disciplines related to popular and cultural studies—including social, digital, and transmedia studies—an increasing number of scholars are turning to fan studies to engage their students. Fan fiction is the most extensively explored aspect of fan works and fan engagement, and so studies of it can often serve as a basis for addressing other aspects of fandom. These classic essays introduce the field’s key questions and some of its major figures. Those new to the field or in search of context for their own research will find this reader an invaluable resource.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||10/06/2018|
I wrote some fan fiction back in the early days of the internet. Ideally it's a way to "treat" your fellow fans with more of what they love, by giving them something like a new episode-like story from the original "Star Trek" when they've seen all the existing episodes 10,000 times each. Yes, I had no life at the time, and was wondering if I could write, the fan fiction was a way to put something out there that other people would actually read.
But it's also a way to force your ideas into places they don't belong, to release your repressed inner perv, to show you don't understand anything about the source material, to argue out petty fandom issues, and to get into vicious arguments with 13-year-old girls. I think it was the last that made me give the whole thing up.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||10/06/2018|
DL is Ground Zero for Golden Girls fanfic.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||10/06/2018|
Way back in the late 1960s I had a neighbor who worked for the gas company. He was married and had kids, but spent a huge amount of time writing "scripts" for [italic]Star Trek,[/italic] which had come out a couple of years before and was a mild hit on TV. I looked at a couple of these "scripts" and they were terrible. He said he was writing them to submit to the show's producers. As far as I know, he never did, but he continued writing them, I guess for his own amusement. God, he would have loved fan fiction. He was writing it before it was even a thing.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||10/06/2018|
R41, Do you have any suggestions on how to make more images show up in searches on the WayBack Machine?
Many things are archived supposedly but the links end up 404 or go into an endless loop.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||10/06/2018|
r48 i can’t promise how far back the works span in time, but you could check out An Archive Of Our Own.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||10/06/2018|
Years ago I learned that a woman I had gone to college with was writing fanfic for Star Wars... she had created a character to add to the universe - Han Solo's sister. She was the character... I say that because she illustrated her stories and Han's sister was the spitting image of my friend. I let it go, didn't think much about it at the time (I already knew she was way in Star Wars).
Now the fanfic I tried reading that was dreck, the continuation of Knots Landing - ouch, that was bad.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||10/06/2018|
By chance was this your neighbor r47?
|by Anonymous||reply 51||10/06/2018|
I think OP should mind her own business.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||10/06/2018|
Why do you care about a harmless hobby, OP? Why the hostility towards total strangers amusing themselves by doing something creative on their own time, at their own expense? Would you feel the same anger and contempt if they got drunk every night, or spent hours watching sportsball all the time? Do you spew vitriol at people who participate in fantasy football leagues?
|by Anonymous||reply 53||10/06/2018|
The author of this 'California Dreams' gay fanfic is a woman, of course, who feels like she's a gay man.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||10/06/2018|
[quote]R6 ..., read any of the Golden Girls, I Love Lucy, Housewives of " ", soaps, or porn threads
Where is the best GOLDEN GIRLS fan fiction porn?
|by Anonymous||reply 55||10/06/2018|
R36 wins. Thank you, Scribblo 👏
|by Anonymous||reply 56||10/06/2018|
R51 beat me to the punch.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||10/06/2018|
Fat horrible women with zero writing skill.,..fucking tragic
|by Anonymous||reply 58||10/06/2018|
I've read a few theories positing that fanfiction is about women trying to subvert or escape from the stereotypes & subjection applied to female characters by traditional heterosexual narratives, often using gay men & women/relationships as a way to explore new models of relating outside of these constricting norms. It seems some straight women feel grossly misrepresented and mistreated by their representation in popular fiction in the same way gay men do, so to circumvent this poor writing of their gender they jump into another sandbox.
Perhaps as more and more women make their mark as writers for film & television instead of just novels & magazines, we'll soon see the output of fanfiction diminish (or straight men will be the ones writing it).
|by Anonymous||reply 59||10/07/2018|
[Quote] "Tenderly but passionately Master Yoda removed the shell of Darth Vader's armor, exposing the yielding flesh within crying out for attention from Yoda's wrinkled and hairy green lips..."
[Quote] But it's also a way to force your ideas into places they don't belong, to release your repressed inner perv, to show you don't understand anything about the source material, to argue out petty fandom issues, and to get into vicious arguments with 13-year-old girls.
You'd get roasted if you said this on tumblr.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||10/07/2018|
Golden Girls FanFic exists!
|by Anonymous||reply 61||10/07/2018|
As I said, I used to write fan fiction in a small way. A lot of people do it for attention or to just get other people to read something they wrote, and yeah, I didn't mind being read, but mainly I did it as a sort of immersive experience.
Say you love Harry Potter, writing fan fiction is a way to mentally immerse yourself so deeply in the world of Harry POtter and Hogwarts that you can describe every little detail of the environment or understand every interaction between the character. It's a way of spending time in that world, instead of reality, because face it, some times reality sucks.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||10/07/2018|
I think they like it because the romance genre doesn't have any frontiers left to explore. It's all been done to death. The key to romance is conflict. You have to have characters who can't be together for some reason. Someone or something is always keeping them apart (family, class, race, ethnicity, religion, war, etc.) That's why a lot of novels are set in the old days when there were lots of reasons people couldn't be together. So you set your story in the deep south on a plantation with a white southern belle who falls madly in love with one of the slaves. Lots of angst and prolonged tension until they can't deny their feelings anymore and have wild passionate affair that could cost them both their lives.
Anyway, I think they write slash because they see it as a last taboo. You can set the story in just about any time period and your off to the races with a pretty powerful and dangerous forbidden love you can build a story around.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||10/07/2018|
[quote]I've read some good fanfics over the years. But a lot of it's really bad. I only like it if it stays true to the characters in the source material. I can't stand when cheesy writers take well known 'human' characters and turn them into werewolves, aliens or vampires. Ick.
I remember that period when True Blood and Vampire Diaries were very popular and fanfic writers were taking characters from Gossip Girl, Veronica Mars, and Glee and setting them in setting similar to the vampire shows.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||10/07/2018|
I think part of the appeal is that these fans love their shows and want to give their favorite characters more stories/adventures and there is usually an audience seeking the same. Particularly if a show has been cancelled and there are no more new episodes. Besides Star Trek, there are Dark Shadows fanfic writers, etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||10/07/2018|
[quote] The key to romance is conflict. You have to have characters who can't be together for some reason. Someone or something is always keeping them apart (family, class, race, ethnicity, religion, war, etc.).
This doesn't account for the 'fluff'/'schmoop'/'domestic!' subgenre of fanfiction, which sees popular characters in very boring & saccharine established relationships happily going about their daily lives with no impediment whatsoever. These are big categories in fanfic, along with all the hardcore sexual stuff in the stereotypical line.
As more Gen Z teens get into fanfic the polarities between fluff and R-rated PwP are becoming more extreme.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||10/08/2018|
Have you seen the Tolkien fanfic? Some erotic (plenty), some not.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||10/08/2018|
I know very little about all this. How do the authors of the original material feel about fan fiction? Are they flattered or do they feel possessive of the characters they created? I would definitely be torn if it were me.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||10/08/2018|
I would be pissed if I was the author of the Twilight books, even though they're dreck themselves. She had to deal with that 50 shades frau getting paid millions for ripping off her story.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||10/08/2018|
I went through a couple phases of reading fanfic of the porn variety. Some of it was really hot, though even the well-written ones (which are sadly uncommon) work in part because you already have a mental image of attractive actors. The author of a story about two random dudes might have to work a bit harder than the person writing about Mulder fucking Krycek. (Incidentally, ISTR that that the term ship/shipping/shipper originated in the X-Files fandom.)
One of the reasons I lost interest is that so many of the stories have a female perspective on sex that often feels a little distant from my own sexual experiences. Not just getting technical details of the homosex wrong, though that is immediately distracting, but a more subtle accumulation of emphasizing romance and emotion, dynamic characters being portrayed as passive and needy, all the rape fantasies and hurt/comfort stuff...obviously I'm generalizing, but if you read a lot of fan fiction you definitely notice is has its own trends and cliches...and that some is written by teen girls with little experience of sex or relationships, let alone any insight into sex between men. It's a fascinating subculture really, with its own jargon and celebrities and scandals and drama.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||10/08/2018|
I ship Harry Potter / Draco Malfoy. What can I say..
|by Anonymous||reply 71||10/08/2018|
R68 I remember the author of famous cult teen novel THE OUTSIDERS going off about fanfic writers on Twitter. She also lambasted anyone who @ her asking whether any of the characters were meant to be gay or not.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||10/08/2018|
Is there anyone else who can corroborate the hysterical Mary at R9's assertion that DL is "obsessed" with fanfiction? I've been reading DL on and off for the past 6-7 years, and this is literally the first time I've ever come across a thread on the subject.
R9/R13 sounds like an oddly defensive, fanfic-writing frau.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||10/08/2018|
Sorry, I kind of went off on a tangent and didn't actually address OP's question about the appeal of fan fiction.
To add to the reasons already stated, historically LGBT characters were underrepresented in popular media. Fan fiction allows people to fill that void. I heard about a lesbian who wrote Heroes slash featuring Mohinder/Sylar. Not so much because it turned her on, but because it was fairly believable to take the characters in that direction. It was the obvious way to add some queer content.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||10/08/2018|
[quote]I know very little about all this. How do the authors of the original material feel about fan fiction? Are they flattered or do they feel possessive of the characters they created? I would definitely be torn if it were me.
Some of them love it and encourage it (JK Rowling), some of them absolutely loathe it (Anne Rice). At one point years ago, I think Rice threatened to sue, but you really can’t contain it because no one is making a profit from it. I think Rowling’s attitude is the healthiest- you can’t fight it so why bother? Let the fans write. It keeps the property alive, so to speak, though I’m not sure how the studios that own the properties feel about it.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||10/08/2018|
[Quote] I remember that period when True Blood and Vampire Diaries were very popular and fanfic writers were taking characters from Gossip Girl, Veronica Mars, and Glee and setting them in setting similar to the vampire shows.
They probably still do that. Some crossovers are really random or just have waaay too many characters.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||10/08/2018|
I love reading fanfiction. If you enjoy a show but are left wanting more than the scripted episodes provide, fanfic is the way to go. And it's been around forever!
To the best of my knowledge the Kirk/Spock paring from the original series was when it all started for me. Then came Starsky/Hutch, Gage/DeSoto (Emergency!) and so on.
I'm willing to bet just about every show out there has a small but dedicated fanbase that writes and reads it. Some of the stuff that's written is truly atrocious but some of the writers are amazingly talented. better than some of the dreck that actually gets published by the big money publishing houses. The folks who write fanfic do it our of love for the characters.
The only thing I don't like is what is called Real People Slash. I'm a-okay with reading about a romance between Tony Stark and Steve Rogers (Iron Man/Captain America) but the idea of reading a story about RDJr and Chris Evans strikes me as … icky and intrusive.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||10/08/2018|
Yeah, I think the authors who despise it to the point of suing take it as an affront to their ego. They claim it's based on writing principle (i.e. it's lazy, as a true writer you should create your own stories, etc.), but deep down I think they feel incredibly threatened by the idea that maybe--just maybe--others can write their characters better than they can.
And as someone who has read a lot of fanfiction, I can definitely attest that is true. Yes, the majority of it is dreck written by teenage girls, but I have read some truly beautiful fanfiction that (in my opinion) was so well-written it ended up transcending the original source material, to the point where I felt that the fanfiction author had a better grasp on the plot and motivations of the characters.
They ended up taking the story and characters in far more interesting directions, while still maintaining better character consistency and story continuity than the canon author.
It's sacrilege to think that a lowly fanfiction author could surpass the original, but I've read a few gems that I distinctly remember actually ruining the original source material for me because I felt it was so much more interesting, artistic, and well-written that what the original author ended up producing.
I think that possibility (however slim) pisses off a lot of authors who are insane control freaks (ahem Anne Rice and George RR Martin) and think they have some unassailable ownership to their creations. Legally, of course, they do--but not creatively. Once they offer it up for consumption, the work is no longer truly theirs anymore. People will interpret and build upon it.
When an author resorts to suing, when the fanfiction author is making absolutely no profit, it says a lot about their own insecurity more than anything else.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||10/08/2018|
[Quote] I'm willing to bet just about every show out there has a small but dedicated fanbase that writes and reads it.
You'd be right.
[Quote] The only thing I don't like is what is called Real People Slash.
It's creepy and i don't understand the appeal.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||10/08/2018|
[quote] It's sacrilege to think that a lowly fanfiction author could surpass the original, but I've read a few gems that I distinctly remember actually ruining the original source material for me because I felt it was so much more interesting, artistic, and well-written that what the original author ended up producing.
I experienced this with STAR WARS EPISODE I: THE PHANTOM MENACE. I'm one of the few people on Earth who actually liked that film at all, and even still I've found stories based on it written by fans & amateurs that make the movie proper seem like a trite and hacky half-finished filler arc (which, yeah, we all know it is, however you slice it).
I can't find it now, but I once read an incredibly beautiful and well-rendered retelling of the story in the film from Count Dooku's POV (including flashbacks to Old Republic novels in the SW book series, half of which are basically bought-and-paid-for fanfic anyway), and after finishing it I could no longer see the movie without deep disappointment in how superficial it was. It helps that Dooku is my favorite character, of course, but I also appreciated the way the writer redefined the world of the Jedi in TPM and made it seem deeper and more tangible than Lucas did. This author also dared to suggest that the Jedi were a transgressive & controversial group of individuals and better contextualised their history.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||10/08/2018|
[quote]I would be pissed if I was the author of the Twilight books, even though they're dreck themselves. She had to deal with that 50 shades frau getting paid millions for ripping off her story.
The Twilight author Stephenie Meyer had to put a book on hold because of the 50 Shades book series. She was probably pissed for awhile, but she is still wealthy at the end of the day. Meyer and E.L. James are both crappy writers, but they aren't constantly releasing crappy books like Nora Roberts.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||10/08/2018|
Every movie based on a book is fanfiction.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||10/08/2018|
ITA @ R78. Great post. I have definitely felt that way about some fan fiction I've read over the years. I was a big fan of the movie Pitch Black several years ago. The fanfic was amazing with characters that were much more fleshed out /complex. And they took the story to other worlds/planets while introducing new characters. It was like a never ending sequel.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||10/08/2018|
R78 great post. I remember I randomly read a fan fiction about the movie Casablanca (shipping the characters of Humphrey Bogart and Claude Raines!). It seemed to fit so naturally with the film that it was almost like a sequel. The best stories are like that.
I've read RPS - most of it is bandslash, if memory serves me correctly - and while yes, it is...disconcerting to read, some of it is really quite good. A very small amount, but still. Sometimes it seems to tie in with the band's own publicity attempts - for example, My Chemical Romance and One Direction were big in the bandslash world and they did plenty of on and off-stage queerbaiting (or maybe some of it was legit, who knows, but that's the draw, the "what if"). At other times, there have been questions and gossip about the performers' relationships even by the general press or public. Examples being Jagger and Bowie, or Lennon and Mccartney.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||10/08/2018|
"Yeah, I think the authors who despise it to the point of suing take it as an affront to their ego. They claim it's based on writing principle (i.e. it's lazy, as a true writer you should create your own stories, etc.), but deep down I think they feel incredibly threatened by the idea that maybe--just maybe--others can write their characters better than they can. "
Nobody but a complete hack like the "Fifty Shades" woman would ever seriously worry that fanfic writers might be better than she is.
If writers hate fan fiction, it's they're not making money from it, and because most of it is devoted to attempting to rewrite what the author has put years into writing. Most of it is about changing the sexuality of characters, or making them fall in love with people the authors didn't intend, or reducing them to domestic bores like the fanficcers, which has got to make the writers feel defensive towards their creations and annoyed with the fans who don't understand what they claim to love. Watching "fans" make a mess of their creation has got to be an offense to their aesthetic sense and a blow to the ego, so if an author like Rowling says "Sure, go ahead and play in my world", that shows a certain generosity of spirit.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||10/08/2018|
I used to love reading X Files fan fiction, and other sci fi.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||10/08/2018|
Yup, R85. Same thing is going on with CMBYN fan fiction right now. A lot of it has Armie/Timmy as the leads (RP or "real person" fiction) not the characters of Elio/Oliver. The weirdest aspect of it is their "fan service" tweets and general gushing over each other actually feeds the beast. There are stories about them hooking up at the very industry events they're attending together.....so it's real time.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||10/08/2018|
There is a movie on Amazon Prime called Slash. I watched it the other night. It was actually OK. It’s about a high school guy who gets outed for writing gay slash porn. It starred some guy from Teen Wolf. It also featured Michael Ian Black as a 40+ year old fan fic guy who lived with his mom. I never even realized that world of slash porn and conventions existed. Also in the movie was Lukas Neff from Raising Hope. Wow, he has an awesome chest.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||10/08/2018|
Shipping is confusing enough without rpf...
|by Anonymous||reply 91||10/08/2018|
There's actually Stevie Nicks fanfic out there but it's disguised as "I know the REAL story about Stevie's life, here's the truth..."
And some moronic women fall for it and believe it's real.
Let's see, one "true story" that was written in excruciating detail was about when Stevie was addicted to the tranquilizer Klonopin and went through detox in Late 1993. The "insider" wrote that Lindsey Buckingham went to Stevie and was dismayed at her zombied-out state and he drove her to detox himself, holding her hand daily as she went through the painful withdrawal. Of course, in reality, Stevie mentioned several names of the people who actually helped her in this difficult period, and Buckingham was not one.
Then Stevie and Lindsey resumed their romance secretly in 1994, despite his wife and children, and continued it for many more years in secret, even up to 2011, which is when I read this ridiculous story. I asked the authoress why didn't Stevie and Lindsey just come out of the closet with their romance, and she said that it would hurt Lindsey's family. Of course, in reality, Stevie had many times wrecked other men's marriages without a second thought as to the consequences and collateral damage.
But these insane shippers believed every single word of this crazy bitch's fake story, even when she got details glaringly wrong.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||10/08/2018|
Wonder what GRRM would think of the fic where Jon Snow gets fucked six ways to Sunday by Ramsay and his men (okay, I guess gangraped would be more accurate). What's funny is that the author is actually incredibly talented and does an amazing Euron Greyjoy (who partakes of some Snow himself). The language is perfect and the action scenes are pretty thrilling.
For someone who used to read a lot of transgressive lit in the 90s, I like fanfic writers who go really dark. Like, nothing is off the table.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||10/08/2018|
[quote]The "mpreg" story lines (male pregnancy) where Sawyer knocks up Jack from "Lost" and they have a baby together.
Those kinds of stories are creepy and hilarious. Then there are those awful gp(girl penis) fics where one female character has a dick and impregnates another female character.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||10/08/2018|
[Quote] There is a movie on Amazon Prime called Slash. I watched it the other night. It was actually OK. It’s about a high school guy who gets outed for writing gay slash porn. It starred some guy from Teen Wolf.
Of course he had to be from Teen Wolf lol
|by Anonymous||reply 95||10/09/2018|
I dare anyone to try finding a slash story more off-the-rails than this Tom/Jerry smut.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||10/11/2018|
Fanfic is only hope for people with no talent.
And I'm their patron saint.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||10/11/2018|
I wrote an original novel having nothing to do with any tv show, but I did sort of loosely base a couple of characters’ looks and personalities on some from my favorite show. It helped me to picture them in my own mind. Is any character truly original? Doesn’t the author usually have someone in mind, whether real or fictional?
|by Anonymous||reply 98||10/11/2018|
R96 read this, if you dare.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||10/11/2018|
[quote]The Twilight author Stephenie Meyer had to put a book on hold because of the 50 Shades book series. She was probably pissed for awhile, but she is still wealthy at the end of the day. Meyer and E.L. James are both crappy writers, but they aren't constantly releasing crappy books like Nora Roberts.
I actually give Stephenie Meyer a lot of credit there. She was within her rights to sue EL James and had a strong case against her. But she didn't, and that prevented fanfic, even the ones written for non-commercial purposes, from being shut down. I think the hobby is a little odd, but the people writing it aren't hurting anyone.
Although I suspect that a lot of fanfic writers have pivoted to writing formulaic male/male erotica for your Kindle.
|by Anonymous||reply 100||10/11/2018|
[Quote] She was probably pissed for awhile, but she is still wealthy at the end of the day.
Lol that reminds me of when she got mad that the first chapter of Midnight Sun got leaked. It was supposed to be from Edward Cullen's pov.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||10/12/2018|
I once accidentally found out the identity of a fan fiction writer whose work I rather liked, and with whom I'd had some very pleasant online conversations. She turned out to be a gray-haired protestant minister, someone who took time out between officiating at masses and weddings and funerals to write erotic fan fiction. You just never know about people.
And no, I didn't tell her I'd found her out, or anyone else. And I learned a valuable lesson about putting any personal information on the internet, at least in relation to your secret hobbies.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||10/12/2018|
I used to be into reading and writing fan fiction.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||10/12/2018|
[quote]R68 How do the authors of the original material feel about fan fiction? Are they flattered or do they feel possessive of the characters they created?
They surely feel a bit nauseated, and just pretend it doesn’t exist.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||10/12/2018|
I used to love MSTings back in the day. They were basically Mystery Science Theater but for crazy rants and fanfic that people posted online. Not sure if that counts; I guess it pretty much is fanfic to an extent.
Fanfiction is hardly new though. There was plenty of Jane Austen fanfic in the 1800's where people would write about the characters' lives after the books ended. Sherlock Holmes had a ton of stuff too, I believe.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||10/12/2018|
“Dorothy lay on the couch, the remains of the cheesecake swathed across her proud, though now weary, breasts. The nipples themselves, still tender to the touch, Rose had licked clean, and licked clean again. Thrice Rose had licked...”
|by Anonymous||reply 106||10/12/2018|
So...nobody reading yaoi? Lol
|by Anonymous||reply 107||10/12/2018|
We need fan fiction about Elaine Stritch‘s surely sad and boozy marriage to gay actor John Bay....heir to an English Muffin empire.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||10/12/2018|
[quote] I used to love MSTings back in the day. They were basically Mystery Science Theater but for crazy rants and fanfic that people posted online. Not sure if that counts.
R105 idk, I feel like MST-ing is meta and akin to liveblogging or Discord nowadays, not really fanfic. Still fun.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||10/12/2018|
[quote]I think they like it because the romance genre doesn't have any frontiers left to explore.
I'll just leave this link right here...
|by Anonymous||reply 110||10/12/2018|
Those of you who've said that women are writing m/m sex scenes that are anatomically impossible for two male bodies, do you have an example. I just can't imagine what they could possibly have come up with.
|by Anonymous||reply 111||10/12/2018|
Usually mpreg are put when they talk about alpha/omega/heat cycles.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||10/12/2018|
R112, I think they were referring to sexual positions.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||10/12/2018|
I know they're not supposed to even read it, but I feel like the writers for some tv shows use fanfic to either try out ideas they're not sure will work or to explore/conclude storylines that have been axed. I haven't read much, but more often than seems likely there'll be a writer with only a couple of stories and they'll be actually really well written and the plots of these stories will later appear in the real show nearly to a T. Similarly, I've seen interviews with writing teams who mention having wanted to do this or that storyline and then you see one of these one off or two off writers do exactly that and do it well.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||10/12/2018|
I consider this the soccer mom version of Penthouse Forum. It's the secret vice hidden in the linen closet, hauled out along with the bubble-bath and scented candles for "special" moments.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||10/12/2018|
R115 There was speculation that writers for Glee would look at fanfic sites for ideas.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||10/12/2018|
Stephenie Meyer was always a supporter of fanfics. From interviews, she seems like a mellow laid back type unlike other authors who bitch up a storm about fanfics.
|by Anonymous||reply 118||Last Sunday at 7:00 AM|
R110 Lol i [italic]almost[/italic] forgot that was a thing.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||Last Sunday at 7:31 AM|
Yoshikazu Yasuhiko, the creator of the wildly-successful fan-favorite comic/cartoon MOBILE SUIT GUNDAM, has no problem with it and actually credits fan-works with keeping his project so popular all these years. He wisely points out that, "a work becomes more attractive the more people play with it".
[quote] YY: "...The light parody doujinshi* scene, including yaoi (gay m/m stories), was growing with women at the center of it. Their work was fresh, completely unlike the stodgy parodies being made up until then, and took me off guard. Some were angered by it all claiming it made a mockery of the source material, but I didn’t think so. It was a brand-new culture, after all. So while keeping in mind issues of copyright, be it parody, yaoi or cosplay… I’d like to encourage everyone to continue enjoying Gundam in their own unique way."
*Doujinshi are fan-made comics and zines which are most often either comedic, romantic and/or pornographic and are usually sold exclusively at cons or posted on sharing websites like tumblr. Because such comics are labors of love not commonly sold for profit, they are not considered in breach of copyright.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||Last Tuesday at 10:40 AM|
R120 Well, he knows where the money is.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||Last Tuesday at 10:44 AM|
[quote]Every movie based on a book is fanfiction.
Sounds like a smart observation but ultimately it isn't.
Fanficcers don't buy rights to books and their output is not supposed to be a commercial product for which the book author is compensated accordingly and/or is involved in.
Movies based on books typically don't invent entirely new stories to put known characters in. They retell the same story with largely the same characters with some latitude to fit the story into 2 hrs. screentime.
You can call fanfiction movies that take known characters and imagine new or rework the original stories. For instance, all the spins on the fairytales, such as Hardwicke's movie Red Riding Hood or Snow White and the Huntsman.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||Last Tuesday at 11:03 AM|
R123 has it right re. fans vs. adaptors.
For the people in the back I'll use an ancient fandom of mine to illustrate. The PRINCE OF TENNIS comic/cartoon has stage adaptations (I linked a clip below) that are very popular in Japan. To watch early incarnations of these stageplays you'd think them fan-produced; full of meta/in-jokes/fanservice not found in the original works, playing fast & loose with the official storyline, and designed in a cheap & silly 'cosplay' fashion. These plays are official adaptations and not fanworks, though, because they are sanctioned by the creator of PRINCE OF TENNIS and produced/performed by paid professional cast & crew to make a profit.
By contrast you could browse DevArt right now and find countless photos of goofy teenage girls dressed up and acting skits in their spare time as these very same PRINCE OF TENNIS characters. These photoshoots are the fan-works, because they've been set-up using the fans' own money and on the fans' own time for fun, without permission from the creator. These fans also get no compensation for their elaborate photosets & costumes, beyond getting SM likes or photo-ops at Comiccon or maybe winning a cosplay contest.
The same applies to adapted books/scripts vs. fanfics, or adapted comics vs. doujinshi.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||Last Tuesday at 12:36 PM|
I always just assumed it was wank off material for people to embarrassed to buy porn lit.
|by Anonymous||reply 125||Last Tuesday at 12:48 PM|
R125 That’s basically...hentai manga hahaha
|by Anonymous||reply 126||Last Tuesday at 12:59 PM|
R34 - “Fan-fiction is porn for women.”
I always saw it as a way for women to imagine different sexual scenarios for their favorite TV, movie, book characters.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||Last Tuesday at 4:06 PM|
The Alpha/Omega trope sounds like something a DLer invented. The bottom,which is the Omega,has to submit to their Alpha and bear his "pups". It's gross and rapey.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||Last Tuesday at 4:11 PM|
[Quote] I always saw it as a way for women to imagine different sexual scenarios for their favorite TV, movie, book characters.
[Quote] The Alpha/Omega trope sounds like something a DLer invented. The bottom,which is the Omega,has to submit to their Alpha and bear his "pups". It's gross and rapey.
You should say that on AO3.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||Yesterday at 6:39 AM|
A lot of fanfic is written by either teen girls or middle aged fraus. I somehow stumbled on some gay fanfic and it seemed really “off”, I kept thinking no man would say/do that. Turns out it was written by a teenage girl so that explains it. My own opinion of it and all the tumblr pages and forums about it is that it’s a way for women to be filthy and express their deepest fantasies without being slutty. Slutty to them meaning looking at porn, reading smut others have written or unloading on ivillage. Guys don’t need fanfic because we’ll say it on any forum. Find a forum about gardening, weight loss, football, plane spotting and there will be a thread with a pic of a celebrity and a bunch of guys saying “would bang”, “would stick it up her poop chute”, “would tongue her ass”, why bother write 1000 words to legitimize the feeling. I’ve never seen women get graphic about their desires on a mainstream forum like that. It’s a bunch of frauy new age #blessed #lucky #datenight shit. But their fanfic is filthy, nasty shit, just as graphic as porn for men. And not surprisingly has just as much gay male sex and MMF threeways as straight porn had FFM and lesbian sex.
|by Anonymous||reply 130||a day ago|