"Most married men like cock on the side"

They don't necessarily want to suck cock, mostly they want to be fucked by it

I believe most straight men could in the right circumstances have sex with another guy but that's really not reality in their normal lives. Most married men do not like cock on the side.

Every guy jacking off in the gym sauna is married.

God OP you really need to get in touch with reality.

My fiance likes getting sucked and jacked off by other men (I'm a straight female). He tells me most of the men he's hooked up with have been married. I used to think he was exaggerating, but now believe he is spot on.

R5 Most of those men including yours is a fag honey. Most straight guys fuck around with pussy on the side not cock. Talk about being naive.

R5, I hope you are joking. If not, RUN! Run away from him. This will not end well. For you anyway. He'll be fine, sucking cock at the local truck stop. But you won't be fine at all.

Yah, yah. I know it sounds weird and no, I'm not naive. He likes pussy and he likes cock. Obviously, there is more complexity to the relationship, but let's just say his exploring of this desire has my consent, if not encouragement.

R8 = R5

It wouldn't be most and it wouldn't be all the time. There are some understandably who after months of cat food want some steak for a treat.

R5, I don't want to be like the rest of the snarks on this site. None of us can really judge someone else's relationship. I just wish you happiness and the wherewithall to realize if something just isn't right. Take it from a gay man ... most guys are great. But some really suck. And they will take you for all they can get if you let them.

Thanks r11, for the well-wishes and advice. What we have is decidedly unconventional, but works for us. However, yes, I've definitely had to become more aware of my intuition and ability to assess situations. Like you said, some me really do suck.

Yes it's true.

Especially if those straight men find it easier to find other men that will blow them. Obviously, if there are willing women around that could fulfill their need, they would take the opportunity. But as many straight men find out later in life, available pussy means nothing if that pussy doesn't want to be available to them. Let's be honest, a lot of straight men don't know how to approach women or lose touch completely after years of being married.

Interactions between men are far more easier. One thing lead to another, and the next thing you know they are hooked on mansex.

o really?

Y'all are living in some kind of fantasy world.

Ick, R14.. What the hell is that mess?

I do I really do

I'd call it SEXlax, R16. From the thumb I was thinking, "What's up with his pubes?" Gawd!

I've seen R17 's guy before, we were discussing how you can't buy a standard transmission on a full-size American truck anymore. As it turns out, he's a Birther and a Truther.

I think some of it comes from straight guys in recent years being less threatened by gays, coupled with their willingness to get pegged by dildos (worn by women) or experiment in college like women often do. And in the polyamorous community, lots of ostensibly straight guys like cock, but they're really bi -- it's just that the "bi doesn't exist" trope is pretty hard to get past, so they're "straight but like cock, too."

R5, I know two couples like yours, and they've lasted over 20 years each. If it works for you, it works. Best of luck.

Men might stray sexually from the marriage if the sexual aspect of the marriage is unsatisfying. Women might stray if the marriage is emotionally unsatisfying.

What a profoundly cliched statement, R21.

Every super hawt str8 guy is a little gay around the edges. Everyone knows that.

20 years ago I was touring with Broadway shows... I was astounded to find how many guys I'd meet at hotel bars, get into conversations, watch the game on the bar's TV, they'd haul out pictures of the kids and the whole nine yards.... and, usually after an hour or two of this, they'd end up in my room sucking cock and vice versa. And judging from how freaked out they were (sometimes positively, sometimes negatively), I believed them when they said it was the first time they'd ever done that. I was young, straight-ish-seeming (i.e. not one of the dancer boys lurking about), Ivy-League-y, pretty buttoned-up myself, so maybe they felt "safe" with me. I dunno. But once I got the hang of the hotel bar thing, this happened so many times, I got the impression there are a lot of straight, married men out there who'd take a walk on the cock-wild side when out of town. Earlier in the 20th century, the vast majority of sexually conflicted men married and had kids; while no longer the majority, I think a lot of guys out there are still doing that in most areas of the country. And of course 99.99% of the gay-married couples I know are fucking around all over the place. Cock will out.

Let's turn the tables and look at reality:-

"Most gay men like pussy on the side"

Discuss.

I can detect many smiles on this thread.

R24 - Hotel lobby bars are GREAT for picking up married guys, sometimes hot AS FUCK married guys with muscly builds, 5 o'clock shadows, and hairy asses. :) Lawyers especially, those fuckers are crazy. Oh man, the times I had back when I was a road warrior.

I always figured the ostensibly straight guys hooking up at hotels on business trips were closeted, not married straights who like cock on the side.

Stayed in a cute little B&B in Springfield MO about six years ago and two of the businessmen were obviously hooking up. At breakfast they pretended to not know each other and brought out their pics of wifey and kids and I about hurt myself trying not to laugh. You could see their flames from outer space. Cannot even imagine who was fooled by that.

R28, you find a hot guy traveling alone, professional type, good looking - they're used to being fawned over by office fraus and know they're hot and have that cocky attitude, buzzed on a few cocktails, getting close to closing time - they love a good blowjob before going to bed alone. If you have a bit of weed (or they do), it's a fucking party. NO STRINGS - tomorrow, I don't know you, you don't know me. I'm not talking about secret gay rendezvous at B&B's - this is certainly not about romance.

The Oracle conference in San Fran. in the fall... OMG... Some very fun times after last call.

I think that as gay men who have fooled around with married men and who become aware of the enormous amount of married men who like cock, we then tend to generalize and think every straight guy likes cock on the side. But the fact of the matter is, it's still a small percentage of married men who do so, closeted or not. Still, 10% of 1 billion is 100 million, a pretty large pool of cock-loving heterosexually identifying men to last us several lifetimes.

We will never know the numbers as there will never be an honest survey.

[quote]we then tend to generalize and think every straight guy likes cock on the side.

How can ANYONE in their right mind believe this?

What sort of a Gay Toyland do they live in?

[quote]We will never know the numbers as there will never be an honest survey.

For a start, best not to get gay men to run it.

I don't believe it, r34, but tht's the point OP is trying to make!

[quote]My fiance likes getting sucked and jacked off by other men (I'm a straight female).

Have you had any other boyfriends with similar sexual tastes? I'm guessing the affirmative.

r32 tells the truth.

Oops, meant to address r33

Then why don't they say so in the numerous surveys of orientation in which their anonymity is assured.

Closeted men outnumber out gay men, so they skew the perspective of out gay men who think that just because the saunas and bathhouses are full of married closeted schmucks, that married men in general lean bi / gay. They do not, and it's best to accept that reality.

No, R21, het married men who cheat routinely explain this in the surveys as resulting from not feeling appreciated in a relationship. This is what sex workers say. Most of the het men pay to have someone listen to them more than for a fuck.

But if a man is closeted and is sitting around wishing he could fuck / suck/ be fucked by a guy, then he's more likely to just cheat for a sex experience , no strings attached, and then go back to the wife and kids.

No one really believes that, OP> Datalounge is just a huge gay adult version of "Let's Pretend."

R39 Because most closet cases (and tax cheats and drug addicts, etc.) don't really believe those surveys are anonymous, they believe that the response can and will someday be traced back to them.

With closet cases, many have also convinced themselves that they aren't really gay or bi.

Lol, R33.

I hooked up with a married guy one weekend a few years back, and I had the time of my life. He was in NY from CHI on business. We met at the Eagle on a Friday night and were together until his flight departed Sunday night. He had a huge thick dick, and he power buttoned me all weekend. It's like I released some pent up animal in him. He was so sweet. He talked about his wife and how much he truly loved her. He was a good guy. I never saw him after that.

Do you really believe R5 is a woman? You are so gullible.

R44 sleeps well at night.

Anyone who honestly believes most straight guys want to hook up with other guys really is living in the gay fantasy world of R33. Real life is not a gay porno.

But honestly even the people posting that know it is bullshit, just trying to get a rise of out people.

When I was in my 20's I had a thing for straight married men. I had no problem finding married men willing to jump into bed with me, sometimes the wives knew but usually it was our secret.

[quote]he power buttoned me all weekend.

The married man was Ralph Lauren, dear?

Stop recruiting are children and husbands you rapacious family destroying perverts! STOP IT NOW!

'sometimes the wives knew '

Yes, that's what the husband may have told you. unless you yourself told the wife 'I'm fucking your husband!' then I wouldn't be so gullible.

There are a lot of closeted married guys in their 40s and 50s because when those guys came of age in the 80s and 90s, being gay meant AIDS and AIDS meant a sure and painful death. (That's how they viewed things.) So if a guy was the least bit of bi, he'd find a woman and marry her. Most of them do love their wives and their lives. They just also like cock.

Guys like that in their 20s are much more likely to be out or at least openly bi or pan.

R47 is missing the perspective to understand the issue. She/He sees the world black and white, when only a tiny minority are actually exclusively gay or exclusively straight. Men are, for better or worse, far more sexual beings than women, so the probability of [out of marriage] sex encounters is bigger with them. Here are a few points:

R39 almost gets it right, but it's not [closeted] gay men who outnumbered [out] gays, but closeted Bisexual men do outnumber [out] gay and bisexual males.

Most males or females fall under degrees of gray area. Very rarely are humans 100% this or 100% that. However, either hormones, their sexual reproduction organ swinging between their legs (in a way it is a burden unique to them and women would never understand that) , or that interactions between males come easier between men, it just sets a precedent [for various men] for a "slip off."

Social change does play a role on why more men are trying male/male sex. If you remove the psychological barrier and taboo that was present in earlier generations, then more men [that are fluid] will be willing to give man sex a chance. Obviously, the degree of experimentation varies to the comfort level of those involved.

Women [not all of course] and less fluid males have a hard time understanding this phenomenon, but it is a reality of the modern world. I got to assume that it will become far more common as people realize that most humans live in the gray area of the sexual spectrum.

R53 has nothing but porn addiction to back up his "facts" with.

R36 - no, I don't believe I had other boyfriends with similar tastes, save for a HS boyfriend who came out to me in college (3 years after we dated).

R45 - sorry to burst your cynicism bubble, but I am a woman.

R52 - from what I have learned/am learning, I tend to agree with your assessment. It is interesting to observe that generational shift.

most married men I've fucked like cock on the side

So how does the conversation start by two allegedly straight guys that leads to........?

I think sexuality is fluid but still believe many, if not most of these married men are bi at least. My very straight best friends (men) are not threatened by gays, but would NOT engage in homosex. They find and say to me which are cute or handsome, but have to desire to suck or be sucked.

I believe most of what I read are "fantasies" dreamed up by old, fat balding gay queens.

[quote]He talked about his wife and how much he truly loved her.

As if his "power buttoning" of you wasn't evidence enough.

R54 is threaten by matters of sexuality.

R57 there is no pattern , obviously every interaction between people is different.

Obviously many guys are sexually fluid/bisexual R54. That has nothing to do with delusions that MOST straight-identified men want to engage in gay sex.

"I believe most of what I read are "fantasies" dreamed up by old, fat balding gay queens"

^ You sound new to DL. If you had been around here awhile, you would firmly know. There are exceptions though.

R53: I'd say a big part of the changing attitudes you refer to is that AIDS is no longer viewed as an instant death sentence. That stopped a whole lot of curious guys for years. Hook-up apps like Grindr and CL make it easier too-- not need to show their face or be in a place where someone they know might see them.

As for the actual question, my experience has been that there are more guys who are open to things than most people realize but that does not add up to "most" or "a lot"

I've had it happen a number of times as I travel a lot, guys who were either married or had girlfriends. But so many of them did not end well-- the guy got his rocks off and looked horribly guilt-stricken, was so nervous about me not telling anyone (I don't know your last name, bro. Who would I tell?)

Side Note: I am always surprised how many "straight" guys online will send you a photo of themselves that's easily Googled back to their LinkedIn profile or corporate photo. Funny to learn who they really are, too.

Most of the stories about hooking up with ostensibly straight guys sound like something out of Penthouse Forum (bicurious version). I've spent the last 20 odd years around almost exclusively straight men, and not only can I not even begin to imagine any of them having sex with men, I doubt anybody is too upset about that, because they're not all that built or attractive.

Of course there are many hot guys who are married and looking for cock on the side, and guess what? They're trolling all the usual places, including hotel bars, and having sex with many gay men, who are then happy to tell anyone who will listen about the straight married cock they just scored.

And full disclosure, I'm not hot enough to score straight married cock, so I'm jealous!

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Same as the fundie homophobes who can't and won't allow that other men do not share theirhetero orientation ...the bi-phobes who can't imagine themselves in a world outside of mono sexuality and therefore dismiss it as a myth...and so the gay zealots ....etc

The Problem of other minds!

All these posters who are claiming men are "sexually fluid" -- is there any science to back this up? I just see lots of lomg-winded, bloviated posts.

I think I understand what makes straight men tick, and I can safely say that a hole is a hole is a hole to a guy. Yes, they'd prefer it be a woman's hole, but if they're horny and there are no females around, then a man hole will do nicely in a pinch.

Is a vaginal hole just a hole to an openly gay men? Or, the mouth of a woman -- is that just a hole to an openly gay man?

I don't think it's ever that simple R68. A whole lot of guilt and confusion and all when the hole belongs to a man.

I hope R68 's partner doesn't leave him alone with the chihuahua too often

But, what about female hole for openly gay men, R70?

I was an escort for many years, and I was astonished by how many of my johns made a point of saying they were either married, or had a girlfriend. It was always "my wife doesn't know about me," "my wife doesn't understand me," "I have needs my girlfriend can't satisfy," "I'm just curious about sex with guys," etc. These guys were almost invariably the most uninhibited in bed. They were eager to do anything and everything. On more than one occasion, a guy arranged to get together with me on what he claimed was the night before his wedding!

R70 - while it's not common, it does happen. It's just easier for a gay guy to find another guy to have sex with.

R73 - I have heard that from "straight" guys too, the whole notion that they can be wilder and less inhibited in bed with another guy, that they don't always have to worry about whether they're doing it "right" or have to be the one in charge.

I'm openly gay and I seek out women for sex. I cruise them at gyms, parks, online, Tindr, etc. I'm openly gay. Women satisify certain needs a man can't satisify. Middle aged women and heavy set women seem most into blowing an openly gay man. They make me rock hard and shoot huge loads.

The Kinsey scale distribution scale is bimodal “j” for men. Which is to say that on a graph to it describes a backwards lazy "j" , a vast vertical het side ...EXTREMELY steep cut ..to a vey shallow " bowl" almost flat (bisexuals) ...then it gently elevates again (but barely) with bisexuals (not even as many as low Kinsey side) on up to the SMALL peak of gay men.

Sorry, I know it sucks about the low figures but they are close(r) to the truth than we want to admit; we ARE tiny minority (yes even including the bisexual males). But It is reality so stop retreating to your fantasy world and face it like adults

OOOPS fucked up that post ..blame my bastard cat!

[quote] On more than one occasion, a guy arranged to get together with me on what he claimed was the night before his wedding!

OMG. Remember that hidden camera pron clip of the guy who was getting it on with a guy & phone rang telling him his first baby was being delivered?

I happen to have the link, actually.

R64, you're referring to American men? You do realize that men from all over the world visit the US for business, and stay in upscale to fine hotels? Best bottom I can remember was a HOT, rugged, blond, muscly, married/kids, Aussie IP lawyer, about 37 y.o., in town on business for a couple weeks. I ran into him once at a hotel in SF and then another time at a hotel in the East Bay. Loved to get a buzz, kiss and make out, 69, and then get pounded. You send some of your straight buddies to a foreign country for a few weeks on business, you don't know WHAT they might get up to that they wouldn't dare to here in the US. Vice versa.

I'd say this recent survey from Britain is closer to reality than surveys done in the US where only a few percent identify as gay or bi. In a world where being gay is not viewed negatively guys are more open to it. Being gay has been such a bad thing for the most part of the last century that it's hard to even imagine how many bi guys just completely have shut off their gay side.

"A stunning survey by YouGov UK has found that 23 percent of British people surveyed do not consider themselves exclusively heterosexual. As many as 49 percent of adults aged 18-24 described themselves as "not 100 percent heterosexual," indicating bisexuality is more common among younger adults, who enjoy more sexual fluidity."

r79, I work for an international company, and most of my coworkers are from other countries - China, Spain, England, South Africa, France, South Korea, Malaysia etc. And again, they're not particularly attractive, as most people aren't. Your very personal anecdote (doesn't prove anything (and in which of course everything people want from sex happens, whereas in reality, everybody has limits about what they do with sexual partners - won't kiss this one, will only fuck but not *get* fucked by that one etc)

All cats are grey in the dark dear.

Straight men like cock on the side almost as much as gay men like pussy on the side.

R51 I'm R48 I became friends with a few of the guys and met their wives who I also became friendly with.

R63 Those men whom Aids kept from exploring would now be in their late 30's and up...

Those under 35 have a very different perspective. Men in their late 20's even more so... like I said before, once you remove the moralistic/psychological barriers that prevented other generations of men from even thinking about the possibility of man/man sex, the mentality and approach to sex changes drastically.

Also, this thread is doomed because the tittle of the thread is a direct affirmation. Straights (men or women) will feel attacked. It doesn't happen with a "straight"man waking up and saying: "Well today I'm going to be sexually fluid." Not at all. Those situations are more complicated and they usually required a trigger before a "straight" man even considers that possibility (from a frustrating sexual life with women, to a traumatic event, to meeting a kindred spirit that just happens to be another man, to a match of sexually horny equals)

Sexuality is always a gray area. It never fully is black and white only.

Here is R30's survey

And interesting that it reveals there's a lot more bisexual men (weighted in the "hetero" end of the Kinsey scale) than the total number of gay men [I think] as well as that j curve thingy. However before we get our hopes up it's worth noting that the kinsey 1s -- the most numerous (technically) bisexual grouping -- overwhelmingly rejected the idea of having a future sexual encounter with the same sex by 2/3s

Why would only married men want cock?

On what planet is it easier for a straight guy to find a gay guy fir sex then women? Women are EVERYWHERE and there's still very little openly gay men and if you live in rural areas, it's virtually impossible

I've had a number of hot straight guys friends and really pretty women throw themselves at these guys, even KNOWING that a few of them are married. And these women will suck dick and have NSA sex with these guys like it's nothing.

Women today are really sexual

So I don't get this logic at all. It's not 1945 anymore, where "peoper" ladies don't do those things

Pussy is EVERYWHERE and available for straight men

Stop being delusional fellow gays

R88 hon but that your group was an orgy of female sluts doesn't mean everyone will get to fuck them or that they had access to their vaginas.

R88, you're not helping tne fantasy. It's all fantasy.

R89 women in general are much more sexual nowadays, so much so that there's barely any difference between them and men I'm their sexual appetites

Granted, a lot of married women might fake a headache or might now want to have sex as often as their husbands but single even just average looking women wanting to hook up with men for NSA sex is pretty common nowadays. I can tell you stories that will make your head spin.

I was friends with my boss at work who was a good looking 30 year old married guy and this plain looking 19 year old college girl started interning there.

We'll it turns out that they started fucking on the down low at work, despite the fact that he's married and the girl had no looks or body. She threw himself at her. She even went so far as to "lez out" in front of him because he wanted her too. Video from her cell phone of them fucking circulated around work and they were both fired.

The premise of the thread has been demonstrated to be total BS. Most married guys are COMPLETELY heterosexual by an enormous margin. However, most bisexuals skew straight-leaning and particularly around k1. And that's not even factoring in the gay closet cases married to women; and those gay men who pose as "str8 married man " to appeal to a certain type of gay man

R92 is 100% right.

I knew a gay man who pretended to be a married straight man at my gym. I asked him if he was married and he said he just pretended to be.

I thought it was bizarre.

Thank you to the voices of reason at r92 and r93.

The voice of reason? I can't even understand what he's saying.

[quote]However, most bisexuals skew straight-leaning and particularly around k1.

Straight men don't even think that way. The thought of some gay dude with man hands and hairy arms giving them a BJ freaks them out.

Just like the thought of a chick with 10 pounds of make up on and manicured fingernails freaks me out.

The delusion on here is real.

I didn't understand that sentence much either, r96, but everything else he posted was spot on. Especially the part about gay guys posing as "str8 married"; Craigslist is teeming with these losers.

R25 Bi-guys do. Sometimes gay guys do. However gay male cock is easier to come by than pussy. Though women have become more sexually assertive and open since the sexual revolution started.

R96, R96 : Most bisexual men are concentrated towards the heterosexual end of the Kinsey scale. Totally heterosexual = kinsey 0. Highest concentration of bisexuals is Kinsey 1 (k1) & kinsey 2

The question was gay men, R99, only. Not bisexual men. I've also never, ever encountered an openly gay man who sought after pussy the was so called "straight" guys seek out cock -- according to datalounge.

the way..

R99 how is gay male cock easier to come by then pussy?

Only about 5% Of the male population is gay in the US, while available and slutty women are EVERYWHERE.

I lived in a small town for my job for 2 years about 5 years ago and a lot of people in that town told me that I was the first openly gay person that they ever MET

This was in 2011!

Time to get out of the gay ghetto guys.

Straight men are not thinking about seeking out a gay dude. At all

In fact most are still repulsed by it

I think the premise is gay men are slutty, R103. More than happy to suck the cock of any straight man.

R104 yeah but there's so many more single, slutty women then OPENLY slutty gay men. So many out there. Even if it was 1/4 of the straight female population at 25%, that's still WAY MORE then the ENTIRE 5% population of gay men.

I live and work in a suburban area. Every one seems to be straight, I've been hit on but some pretty attractive women at my job and gym. If I was interested in women it would be SO EASY for me to get some pussy. I'm gay and it's actually easier for me to get pussy them it is to get dick because I would have to go to a gay neighborhood and bar, out of my way from where I live. I'm not I to feminine guys so that eliminates a bunch of potential men and after some bad experiences on Grindr and other apps I no longer do online dating.

Pussy is everywhere if youre a man and if you want it

R103 Straight males don't want cock at all. It is still easier to fuck around with gay men than women .Gay men might be 10 percent of the population. Though women have become sluttier sex is still easier to obtain with gay males. Women still look at the size of your wallet pocket not how hot you are when they size you up.

R105 how? I'm a gay man myself and it's a piece of cake for me to hook up with women

I had one female friend drunk as hell in New Years wanted to fuck me. And she was pretty

So how the hell is it easier for a straight suburban guy to hook up with men who isn't even seeking dick then it is for a good looking masculine gay guy in the suburbs?

How tell me how.

You act like openly gay attractive men are everywhere.

That's so far from the truth

really ?

[quote]There are some understandably who after months of cat food want some steak for a treat.

LMAO end of thread @ R10...

"Gay men might be 10 percent of the population. "

Anyone who still believes that is so out of touch as to be impervious to facts or reality based research

The the frau or Jesusfag who keeps posting that pic @ R108 is soon out of the loop when it comes to the etiquette of such matters its embarrassing. I'm I'm not even a backdoor botherer kind of gay

...is so out of the loop

...and i'm not even a backdoor botherer

R107, did you have sex with the woman?

R110 leaning towards 15%

Hate to burst some bubbles around here, but a lot of you guys are getting played. My roommate looks really straight. He owns a fake wedding ring, would put on a nice suit and tie and would go to a hotel bar pretending to be a straight married guy with a couple of kids. He has a well rehearsed "other life" story. In reality, he's a gold star gay. He said he picks up way hotter/more enthusiastic guys if they think he's straight. He told me he once ran into one of his gay friends, playing the same act at the hotel bar. They had a good laugh and made sure they sat on opposite sides of the room.

FYI, I've probably met at least 10 gay men who have admitted to doing this.

They both sound pathetic

R14 [ quote ] leaning towards 15%

Well, then it's time to switch to a lower volume of alcohol, that shit is rotting your brain

[quote]Anyone who still believes that is so out of touch as to be impervious to facts or reality based research

'impervious to facts'

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'Reality based research...'

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You're funny.

Please post some more.

[quote]They both sound pathetic

Maybe so, but niceness doesn't get you laid.

R116 sounds like a man realizing he got played by a "straight married" guy.

This thread should be "some" or a small percentage of, not most.

There are a few guys on this site that so desperately want more men to be gay and they make up shit or exaggerate their experiences.

Reality is that most men do not want men - they want women. It's sad and pathetic that they keep going on with their delusions and call everyone else naive.

And yes, I'm a gay man.

[quote]Reality is that most men do not want men - they want women. It's sad and pathetic that they keep going on with their delusions and call everyone else naive.

Of course it is.

I just wonder how a person's life must be like if they go around imagining it's otherwise.

The problem here is the miscommunication of the "terms" people use to identify themselves.

That there are a lot of self "identifying" straight men that cheat on their wives with another man, absolutely.

That most men (whether fluid or fixed) cheat on their partners, it's impossible to know. I think it's 50-50 at most. But How much of that 50% have cheat on their wives with other men? There lies the answer to this riddle.

Because of my line of work, I often question people and get to see parts of them that they might not necessarily share with their other halves. The one subject that always comes up is the boundaries of sex. I have talked to others about these topics, and it almost seems to me that there is a quiet [sexual] revolution going on within the male community [in certain age brackets]. I don't know if social views are changing the willingness of males exploring their sexuality, but there is definitely something going on there.

I remember reading an article that males were producing less testosterone than previous generations. I think it was posted here at few years ago. Who know what's going on out there. Maybe is a form of adaptation because of overpopulation. I don't know. I don't buy studies that say Bi/Gay men are only a mall percentage of the population. I think the L & G population is far larger than we think it is.

Whoever keeps posting the scat picture has no self-respect. How disgusting and homophobic of you. Perhaps that's what you're into, but it's best if you keep your fetishes to yourself.

[quote]I think the L & G population is far larger than we think it is.

Like what sort of percentage?

[quote]producing less testosterone.

Hormone levels have nothing to with sexual orientation. I took a supplement that drastically lowered my T levels and libido and that didn't alter my sexual orientation. I've also taken andro and Test and become even hornier for guys.

The poop on the cock picture is clearly a homophobe but the scat posters are clearly hilarious and they make me laugh.

The title of the thread is "Most MARRIED men..." Where does it say anything about STRAIGHT? I'm under no delusion that these guys are straight - they know what they are. I know what they are. It ain't straight - never was an issue. Why is that word such an issue here? When one married guy is with another guy (married or not) he knows what he's doing is queer. It's just a side thing, a queer side thing. Not near as much hangup involved as you drama majors are spinning up...

And the most disingenuous lying cunt bastard liar award goes to....

This wedding ring + hotel bar thing is dubious to me. Straight guys in a hotel bar aren't just gonna go gay. I was a bartender in a hotel bar long enough to see plenty of shenanigans and cheating - never once did a straight guy walk out with another man...not even after 3 martinis...nope... cheat on his wife ? yeah. but not with a guy.

It's impossible to know R125 because polls about sexuality always yield different results depending on the percentage of race, location, and most importantly the willingness from the participants to tell you the honest truth. Unfortunately, sexuality is still a subject that people talk cautiously about.

I was once involved in a study that yield a, get this, a 45% of men [that we polled] admitting to feeling/have experienced same sex attraction. Our project got shut down immediately because there was a large disparity in numbers from similar studies. There was no way that high of a percentage was going to be accepted. I broke my head checking those numbers several times, we reviewed statements, and we even re-interviewed some of the subjects that I thought maybe felt pressured to give a false testimony, but by doing that we "tainted" the study. The second time around it came at 39%, but by then it no longer mattered because our numbers were not reliable. By interviewing only some of the subjects we were showing a bias and an agenda. The fiasco cost my superior his job.

R125 20% at least

R115 - somEthing tellS me this is kind of far feTched... to the max...

R115 seriously? I don't think so and that really sounds fucked up if dudes do this!

Married men don't want cock on the side, dummy...they want it in the back.

yes, thank you r133...finally someone uses EST for an ACTUAL EST!

TEN guys doing this, that you know? That pushed it too far...considering I never saw it happen once in 3 years.

R115 I love it . So all these straight married fuck buddy chasers are being duped.

These guys who claim to be straight who have sex with guys have probably had sex with thousands of giys so you getter wear fifty condoms when you hook up with them.

I wish I was an EST - I'm not. I live in Las Vegas; its called "trolling for tourists". The old Sahara Hotel was infamous for its casino bar being a huge place for gay pick ups and especially to pick up "married" guys.. Ask anyone who has lived here more than a a couple of years. They will tell you about the Sahara. When it closed down (sold off), a lot of guys said they'd miss that place. Trolling for tourists the local sport. Everyone knows its a game and the "married" guy they're picking up may not be married, but as my roommate said, it was hot to play pretend. He stopped doing it a few years ago when he realized that it was kind of fucked up. Everyone who admitted doing in the past (with the exception of one who still admits to doing it during CES when there are 350,000 mostly male conventioneers in town) won't admit to doing it now or have moved into more stable relationships.

[quote]he power buttoned me all weekend

One of the most adorable auto-correct typos ever.

[quote]he power buttoned me all weekend

Sounds fun

[quote]Closeted men outnumber out gay men, so they skew the perspective of out gay men who think that just because the saunas and bathhouses are full of married closeted schmucks, that married men in general lean bi / gay. They do not, and it's best to accept that reality.

This.

Said better than I could have.

Only the fear of getting caught stops any married man from acting like a savage or a cocksucker.

The hooking up at the hotel bar etc isn't a myth. Happens all the time. I have traveled extensively for work over the last 15 years and i've had 7 or 8 encounters like that with married guys. Now is it most no, but it does happen. Couple of those were obviously closet cases, the rest it wasn't really clear if they were bi or just were game for some head. I really didn't care or analyze in the situation.

People, especially married women, will have a hard time comprehending this phenomenon, because it puts their fixed ideas about sexuality upside down.

There are many curious things going on in the sexual spectrum, and while I don't think females need to worry about their husbands living them for other guys. it's still is an interesting occurrence that is worth discussing without people getting offended.

On the side? I've tried that, but it's harder for it to fit in when the bottom is lying there sideways.

It's just not married women r145. I'm in a great relationship now with a bi guy and it's my gay friends that seem to have the biggest problem with it. They think i can never trust him and he's actually the most trust worthy person i've ever been involved with and proves that every day. That he also likes pussy is the least of the issues

They are not straight man per se, but rather straight-Identified (and homosexually repressed).

not necessarily r148. Sometimes true sometimes not. Things just happen sometimes and doesn't always have to be some big psychological issue.

R148 but even that statement is a bit narrow minded, because some men don't experience a sexual awakening until a certain age or traumatic event, every case is different.

Go to an adult video store late Saturday night/early Sunday morning, and you'll see a stream of drunk "straight" guys stumbling in to get their dicks sucked by a warm, wet mouth after having just struck out with a chick at a straight bar. Or sometimes, if you're lucky, you'll encounter flyover DILFs staying with his wife and kids in a midtown motel who "mistakenly" wander in to the video store.

They still have video stores? who knew

R151 I can't even begin to tell you what is wrong with that statement.

No self respecting gay or bi man should ever mess around with a married man

Are you guys that desperate for straight cock?

And no I'm not a frau, I'm a gay man who posted upthread a few times.

[quote]Are you guys that desperate for straight cock?

Desperate for acceptance from the people who rejected them at early ages.

don't be so naive r153. In a hook up situation you don't tend to be asking a lot of questions about marriage etc. you really don't care in those situations. You're NOT going out on a date with the dude

A hard cock has no conscience

R156 SO YOU WOULD Hook Up WITH WOMEN THEN If YOU Were horny Enough?

Idiot

My cock doesn't get hard for women unless there's another man in the bed with us

This thread is more than sad.

As if gay married men don't cheat JUST AS MUCH. Also, how do I know he and his wife don't have an "arrangement". It's not for me to get into his fucking home life - that's on him.

Bi-married guys don't get around as much as people assume. It's a once in a while "treat" for most. Taboo. They're not immersed in the lifestyle, so it's all very novel each time. When it gets to be rote and predictable, that's when it gets scary and boring for them and they retreat back to the wife and kids for a while until the thrill of the hunt and the passion comes back. No bi guy (or any that I've known, that is) would EVER settle down with another guy, LTR style. Just no way. Those are the gay ones that do that.

The sadness is reciprocal, R159. It is a matter of perspective.

The lifestyle? And, what is that? The gay lifestyle.

Oh, R161. Wow. He's the new datalounge. He and the Milos.

Correct, R163.

R159 Delusion & self hatred are sad from any perspective.

R166 was acually meant for R162.

It all boils down to... (NSFW)

No R168

This instead

It all boils down to the gay lifestyle.

[quote]Oh, [R161]. Wow. He's the new datalounge. He and the Milos.

Nonsense, don't compare R161 with the right wingers. R161 uses the term gay lifestyle as an opposite to a straight lifestyle that those guys are living. And he's correct in many ways. For many of the bi guys it really can be a lifestyle choice: to live traditional life with a woman or to live as a gay/bi man who dates men openly. Nothing homophobic about him saying it out loud. Obviously Christians and homophobes have been using the lifestyle word a lot but reality is for some bi men it really is a choice. Let's not forget we have loads of guys here at DL who were married to a woman a long time until they came out, divorced and are now living "a gay life", even if they are probably bi since they probably had at least some sex life with their wives.

When I was 19 I had a girlfriend and when my nephew was born at the time I really pushed my gf to have a baby with me. I absolutely knew I was way more attracted to men but I loved her and I loved having sex with her. Thankfully she said no, because I'd been completely open about my sexuality and she'd been there with me when I had fallen in love with our schoolmate. I mean, yeah, it might've worked for a few years but I doubt we would've been together for the rest of our lives, or at least monogamous.

R171 gets it.

The GAY lifestyle.

R173, what's your problem? Using the word 'lifestyle'?

[quote]Go to an adult video store late Saturday night/early Sunday morning, and you'll see a stream of drunk "straight" guys stumbling in to get their dicks sucked by a warm, wet mouth after having just struck out with a chick at a straight bar. Or sometimes, if you're lucky, you'll encounter flyover DILFs staying with his wife and kids in a midtown motel who "mistakenly" wander in to the video store.

So?

That still doesn't mean that "most men like dick on the side." The store could be packed with 10,000 heterosexually married men looking to suck dick, and that STILL wouldn't prove OP's point. It would just prove that 10,000 guys (out of a pool of 3 billion in the world) wanted to suck dick at that particular place and time.

I have a female friend who was married for twenty years and is still attractive. They had two children, and now grandchildren. He left her, and is now married to another man. She conveyed she did not have a clue he was gay when he told her. They maintain an amiable relationship, and she has actually stayed overnight at the home of him and his husband when visiting one of their children and grandchildren nearby in another state.

Again, being married with children for a long time does not prove, in itself, one is straight. That said, I view anyone married as off-limits whether they are straight, gay, or somewhere in-between. Cheating is cheating, and you don't know what a partner/spouse is bringing back to you if he/she is secretly on the prowl, let alone knowing the potential hurt caused to someone by a revelation.

It's not cheating r176 is it's an agreed up arrangement for a couple. Fairly common among gay couples and more common among str8 couples than most would ever ignlolodge.

I'll tell you this much. i always thought of myself as straight, hetero, what have you. I love women, love pussy, and yet I still want to suck and fuck cock. I would say that I am bi. I love both. But I will admit, any guy who wants to suck cock may not be gay, but they are definitely not straight.