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Harrison Ford Paid 56 times what co-stars were paid to be in new Star Wars

Carrie Fisher got 1.5 million Harrison got 25 million up front and a piece of the back end....talk about pay inequality.

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by Anonymousreply 146April 13, 2021 2:46 PM

Not comparable. He's a bigger star, has a larger role, and received top billing. Carrie Fisher was lucky to work.

by Anonymousreply 1December 21, 2015 1:52 PM

Like R1 said, Harrison Ford was the only actor from Star Wars to become a bonafide star. Also, I don't think Ford had much interest in reprising the role but you know money talks.

by Anonymousreply 2December 21, 2015 1:57 PM

That other guy took my job!

by Anonymousreply 3December 21, 2015 2:13 PM

His presence in the film was much easier to take than Fisher, who looked and sounded like a latter day Rose Marie. I was really uncomfortable watching Fisher as I was constantly worried her bridgework was going to fall out.

by Anonymousreply 4December 21, 2015 2:19 PM

[quote]His presence in the film was much easier to take than Fisher, who looked and sounded like a latter day Rose Marie. I was really uncomfortable watching Fisher as I was constantly worried her bridgework was going to fall out.

Her speech was what took me out of her scenes. It does sound like she has dentures and it was distracting. I wasn't that enamored with Ford's scenes but at least he wasn't as bad as Fisher. Her performance was almost as bad as Karen Allen's in the last Indiana Jones film.

by Anonymousreply 5December 21, 2015 2:48 PM

Please talk more about Fisher's performance. I'm laughing so hard over here.

by Anonymousreply 6December 21, 2015 2:49 PM

He did all the work. The other two do nothing in the film. One, literally.

by Anonymousreply 7December 21, 2015 2:49 PM

That's about what I expected it would take for him to reprise his role. It's no secret Harrison is sick to death of the franchise, thinks it's juvenile and beneath him, and considers it merely a memory from his distant past he'd like to forget. But he's all smiles now promoting the movie on the press junket. 25 million was just the right sedative to make him smile and pretend he gives a shit about any of it.

by Anonymousreply 8December 21, 2015 2:53 PM

Fischer has sounded like an old lady for a LONG time. What surprised me was her acting. She can't emote for shit. She was given some of the easiest lines in the movie and barely pulled it off.

by Anonymousreply 9December 21, 2015 2:56 PM

[quote]Please talk more about Fisher's performance. I'm laughing so hard over here.

Fuck the hell off, shithead!

by Anonymousreply 10December 21, 2015 2:56 PM

I actually dread seeing Fisher in the next instalment because her performance really does take you out of the story. I actually went to see the film having been a fan of the original three films from my childhood and really wanting to see Ford, Fisher and Hamill, and yet wound up thinking they were easily the weakest parts of the film. I'm also a fan of Fisher's and enjoyed her recent turns on talk shows promoting the film. But "old and broken" Carrie Fisher is a lot different than "old and broken (and pretending not to be)" Princess Leia is another story entirely.

The young actors, Ridley, in particular, were very good and her ascension to the role of primary protagonist in this series felt natural and not at all contrived, as can happen when making these sort of feminist positive moves within an already established series.

Driver looked so goofy with the mask off, but I forgave him all his awkwardness because he handled the most important scene of the entire film very well. Up until that point I wasn't quite sure why he'd been cast, but after that scene it made sense.

by Anonymousreply 11December 21, 2015 2:59 PM

R6=Debbie Reynolds

by Anonymousreply 12December 21, 2015 3:01 PM

You thought Hamill was weak? In less than ten seconds on camera? Harsh.

by Anonymousreply 13December 21, 2015 3:02 PM

[quote]It's no secret Harrison is sick to death of the franchise, thinks it's juvenile and beneath him, and considers it merely a memory from his distant past he'd like to forget

Sick to death of it? He's had nothing to do with it since 1983 and "Return of the Jedi." I'd think he'd be more sick to death of "Indiana Jones." And "Star Wars" made him a star - not "Indiana Jones" - and put him into the position of being someone who could ask for the moon and get it. I highly doubt he thinks it's beneath him and something he'd like to forget.

I have no doubt there are many movies he's made that he'd like to forget - most of what he's done is crap - but "Star Wars" is not among them.

by Anonymousreply 14December 21, 2015 3:06 PM

[quote]"old and broken (and pretending not to be)" Princess Leia is another story entirely.

General Organa, to you, bitch

by Anonymousreply 15December 21, 2015 3:08 PM

I really though Carrie's teeth were going to come flying out of her mouth at times. Her performance wasn't particularly good.

by Anonymousreply 16December 21, 2015 3:09 PM

Well when was the last time she acted seriously? Poor gal is out of practice.

by Anonymousreply 17December 21, 2015 3:13 PM

She was pretty great in The Blues Brothers, so she obviously can act, given the right chemistry and part.

by Anonymousreply 18December 21, 2015 3:18 PM

She looked very self-conscious in front of the camera.

by Anonymousreply 19December 21, 2015 3:21 PM

[quote]Well when was the last time she acted seriously? Poor gal is out of practice.

She has a role in a British sitcom right now, called Catastrophe.

She's not good. Mostly she just seems relieved to have remembered her lines...and 'comedy' requires more, quite frankly.

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by Anonymousreply 20December 21, 2015 3:42 PM

Like Carrie remembers anything at all except that a gay dude fucked her and had a child

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by Anonymousreply 21December 21, 2015 4:04 PM

I find it hard to believe Fisher got paid so little. The movie couldn't really have been made without her (at least not in a way that would satisfy the hordes of fans), it's gonna bring in gazillions of dollars, and her agent only got her a measly 1.5 million?

by Anonymousreply 22December 21, 2015 4:11 PM

It's not about pay inequality. It's about how good your agent is to cut a deal.

by Anonymousreply 23December 21, 2015 4:15 PM

I read that Harrison Ford didn't want to do another Star Wars movie and so after saying no a few times, he and his agent put in a ridiculously large demand and to his surprise the studio said yes.

by Anonymousreply 24December 21, 2015 4:20 PM

Homosexual Harrison Ford is said to be horse-hung.

Is there verificatia?

by Anonymousreply 25December 21, 2015 4:20 PM

I think the problem for Fisher and Hamill is that as long as one of the two of them did it, the other wasn't necessary. Ford was really the only one they had to blow a lot of money on.

by Anonymousreply 26December 21, 2015 4:21 PM

[quote]I think the problem for Fisher and Hamill is that as long as one of the two of them did it, the other wasn't necessary.

Disagree, they had to get Hamill. It would be too weird to continue a Star Wars story but never see Luke again. And Han Solo is the freakin fan favorite character and Ford is the biggest star

Honestly Carrie Fisher is by far the most disposable of the original three. She got 1.5 million dollars which is WAY more money she would get for any other role, I mean her career has been in pretty much shambles.

by Anonymousreply 27December 21, 2015 4:28 PM

[quote]Homosexual Harrison Ford is said to be horse-hung.

My pelvis was so tiny he could never get it in.

by Anonymousreply 28December 21, 2015 4:30 PM

[quote]I find it hard to believe Fisher got paid so little. The movie couldn't really have been made without her (at least not in a way that would satisfy the hordes of fans)

Seriously? You think they wouldn't have made the movie at all had she been dead?

by Anonymousreply 29December 21, 2015 4:30 PM

Carrie Fisher never had to work for a paycheck. She was a trust fund actress.

by Anonymousreply 30December 21, 2015 4:32 PM

Yes, Ford had the much better agent and a stronger negotiating position. He is also one of the biggest box office draws of all time. If Fisher and Hamill were paid the same I don't see a gender gap in pay.

by Anonymousreply 31December 21, 2015 4:58 PM

We know an eldersister in LA who is close friends with Carrie.

by Anonymousreply 32December 21, 2015 5:01 PM

Carrie Fisher is lucky to be working at all, and Mark Hamill hasn't had this kind of exposure since, well, Star Wars. Contrast them with Harrison Ford, who has been consistently A-List and a box office draw since 1977. There is no comparison. Even among die-hard fans, he was the actor/character most eagerly anticipated.

by Anonymousreply 33December 21, 2015 5:04 PM

Carrie Fisher's weird, speech-impeding dentures have been a problem since she guested on 30 Rock about a decade ago.

Why would you go through that, and not get implants or dentures that actually fit?

by Anonymousreply 34December 21, 2015 6:24 PM

The problem isn't just the dentures (thought it makes everything that much worse), it's also that she looks like a stumpy, little old lady with a LOT of make up on and you can see she's wearing a lot of make-up and the whole thing just gives her a quality that I can only describe as "latter day Rose Marie, sans bow". Carrie Fisher aged a lot more than 30 years in the past 30 years and it doesn't fit with the character at all.

by Anonymousreply 35December 21, 2015 6:35 PM

It seems she has gone downhill not just over 30 years, but in the last 10-15.

She was in an episode of SATC around 2000 and looked great, at least for her age. It is so weird how much she has aged just since then.

Coincidentally, her scene in SATC includes Vince Vaughn, who is also on the "What the hell happened?" list of former hotties.

Stay away from cigs and pills, ladies!

by Anonymousreply 36December 21, 2015 7:03 PM

I don't understand why they kept putting her in such unflattering light. I keep thinking a great cinematographer could have done much better with her...

by Anonymousreply 37December 21, 2015 7:43 PM

So what exactly do Ford, Lucas and Spielberg do with their money?

Buy islands, continents, pay for wars, fund Nasa?

I'm genuinely curious as to what you do with all of this money besides counting it.

by Anonymousreply 38December 21, 2015 7:47 PM

I don't understand why Carrie doesn't have dental implants. She sounds very uncomfortable with her dentures/bridges.

by Anonymousreply 39December 21, 2015 7:52 PM

[quote]Carrie Fisher never had to work for a paycheck. She was a trust fund actress.

Oh do darling. Read my book!!! I went bankrupt twice and her father was a heroin addict!!!!! Carrie was lucky to make all that Star Wars money when she did or it would have been 6 show weekends in Vegas for her!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 40December 21, 2015 7:54 PM

I shudder to think what she would do with $25 million on a manic high. Even 1.5 million is too much for someone that unstable.

by Anonymousreply 41December 21, 2015 7:58 PM

[quote]Seriously? You think they wouldn't have made the movie at all had she been dead?

No, R29, but since she is alive (well, somewhat), it would've been a letdown to fans if her character wasn't at all in the new film.

Her agent should've been able to get her much more, at least 10-15 million. 1.5 million is barely above what the "Big Bang" actors get for a single TV episode.

by Anonymousreply 42December 21, 2015 7:59 PM

R27 the same could be said for Ford's career being in shambles as well

Aside from the last Indiana Jones he hasn't had a Big box office smash since the 90s!

by Anonymousreply 43December 21, 2015 8:19 PM

He's 73, R43. Most people's career's slow down at that point.

by Anonymousreply 44December 21, 2015 8:24 PM

Carrie Fisher looked hot in Soapdish (as Betsy Faye Sharon, the bitch), and that was '91.

By her 2007 episode of 30 Rock, she looked like she'd aged 30 years, not 15.

by Anonymousreply 45December 21, 2015 8:28 PM

R30 Doubt she's a trust fund actress since both mother (Debbie) and father (Eddie) went broke. Harrison has said he got only $1,000 a week for the original although all three got a lot more for sequels.

by Anonymousreply 46December 21, 2015 8:34 PM

good point r46

by Anonymousreply 47December 21, 2015 8:39 PM

I always liked Carrie Fisher, I just feel sorry for her now. Maybe $1.5 million was the best her agent could do. Ford's a much bigger star and has been one for decades. It's no surprise that he cleaned up on this thing and she didn't.

As an actress, Carrie is an excellent writer. I wish she had stuck with that and left the acting thing alone.

by Anonymousreply 48December 21, 2015 8:53 PM

She got plenty. Rey and Finn got $446k each, with profit sharing when the movie goes over $1 billion. Their parts are far larger.

by Anonymousreply 49December 21, 2015 8:56 PM

True about her acting, her writing is still fantastic. But above all her INTERVIEWS have been the best draw outside of the Film itself. She really delivers in that department - thus the marriage to Gay men - she is far funnier than any of us could wish to be.

by Anonymousreply 50December 21, 2015 9:26 PM

Interestingly, Kathleen Kennedy said today that when they start production on Episode VIII, they're going to have everyone back, including Ford.

by Anonymousreply 51December 21, 2015 9:46 PM

Carrie has said she's not a great actress, and is well aware of her limitations. She likes being sarcastic on screen and of course that's when she's best. But she identifies much more as a writer than an actress now, and has for years. She's really just doing this to be a good sport: the franchise needs her

She really doesn't have to worry about money for the rest of her life because George Lucas have her a percentage point or so for the profit on the original Star Wars movies, which has sort of negated the need for making a living for her for the rest of her life. Even so, Harrison Ford needs this money even less than Carrie does.

by Anonymousreply 52December 21, 2015 9:56 PM

Fisher's apparent eagerness to appear everywhere to promote the movie makes me think that she desperately wanted to be a part of this. I wouldn't be surprised if she threatened to pitch a public fit ("Ageist!" "Mental Illness!") if they didn't cast her.

by Anonymousreply 53December 21, 2015 10:07 PM

I don't think Carrie has as much money as R52 imagines. Drug addicts tend to blow through every dime they have and always need more.

by Anonymousreply 54December 21, 2015 10:11 PM

Lol, r12.

by Anonymousreply 55December 21, 2015 10:24 PM

Carrie used to read/post here, I have no idea whether she still does or not.

by Anonymousreply 56December 21, 2015 10:32 PM

I doubt Ford will be back. His exit was quite final.

Hamill and FISHER will be back without doubt, with Hamill doing a lot more work.

I really loved this movie. The dental work didn't take me out of it.

by Anonymousreply 57December 21, 2015 10:34 PM

25 million, that's nothing!

by Anonymousreply 58December 21, 2015 10:34 PM

I hope the cast who actually had the most lines got some sort of back end deal or more money for the next two movies. I understand Harrison Ford's ankle got crushed filming this movie....

by Anonymousreply 59December 21, 2015 10:43 PM

If it's true that all the cast will be back then the only thing that makes sense is that Harrison's parts will be part of a flashback.

by Anonymousreply 60December 21, 2015 10:43 PM

I've always had the impression Debbie was such a workhorse because that husband of hers went through all her money(where do these female stars find these men? If you're going to marry a gigolo at least make sure it's Porfirio Rubirosa.)

And didn't Fisher say her father declared bankruptcy 3 times?

If there's any money it's from Debbie's sale of her spectacular costume collection.

by Anonymousreply 61December 21, 2015 10:54 PM

[quote]If it's true that all the cast will be back then the only thing that makes sense is that Harrison's parts will be part of a flashback.

Well, I figure that's a given. They kind of need to fill in the blanks about how Ben/Kylo fell to the Dark Side.

by Anonymousreply 62December 21, 2015 11:08 PM

Carrie did a fine job. She portrayed the weariness and the "worn-outness" of someone who has fought for an ideal that died for many others. You people want the emotion of Lady Gaga on American Horror,.

by Anonymousreply 63December 21, 2015 11:12 PM

So what did Guiness exactly get 2.25% of?

The gross of the first film or the entire franchise or what?

And who is now getting his money? At this point it must be an unbelievable sum.

by Anonymousreply 64December 21, 2015 11:13 PM

I am with r63. I thought she was fine in the film, not great, but not terrible by any means.

Ford was good, if a little hammy, and Hamill - how much did he get for turning around and uncloaking himself. Not even a line - and he got second billing!

by Anonymousreply 65December 21, 2015 11:22 PM

I recently read that Harrison Ford never signed a contract for any of the three original films. He made $10K for the first one, $100K for the second and $500K for the third.

Hamill got the biggest upfront payday for the original three but he and Carrie Fisher each got .25% of the box office, plus all subsequent releases, TV royalties etc. So they both made out very well and are still getting money for the original films here and there.

Guinness got 2.25% more of the grosses for all three original films. Trying to find he link where I read this. I'll post it when I do.

by Anonymousreply 66December 21, 2015 11:26 PM

I adore Carrie, even though she is a mess. She knows she's a mess and doesn't take herself too seriously. I think she was fine in the Force Awakens. She looked like life had taken it's toll. So did Harrison. Harrison was really great in tying the old and new Star Wars together. But none of them even came close to Ridley's performance and that is saying a lot. That chick was totally amazing and she is going to be huge.

by Anonymousreply 67December 21, 2015 11:34 PM

Another request for the link re Alec Guinness's cut. I know they had to pay him to get him on board but 2.25% of the original grosses would have to be in the tens of millions. Did he have kids to leave it to?

I also didn't realize that Hamill and Fisher got a small cut of the original grosses as well. That would keep them very well over the years. And even if Fisher didn't have much family $ to fall back on (Reynolds has been bankrupt how many times and Eddie Fisher was an idiot), she was married to and bred with Bryan Lourd, who owns a major chunk of CAA. She's on good terms with him and will never want for anything.

Ford is done and as said won't be back except for flashbacks but Hamill will likely feature heavily in the next installment. Spreading the original actors/characters out over the next three films is smart so fatigue doesn't set in. I wonder if he or Fisher did negotiate a small gross percentage for themselves this time out.

by Anonymousreply 68December 21, 2015 11:48 PM

Also go easy on Fisher and her current state, she's been through a lot with her mental illness, etc. She toted her therapy pet bulldog with her everywhere on the TFA press junket (he was on every red carpet running everyplace) and even to her appearance on Graham Norton's show.

JJ Abrams even cast her daughter Billie in a small role so she could be on set with her mother when she filmed. I think she has a very tough time acting nowadays and this was a trial for her.

by Anonymousreply 69December 21, 2015 11:51 PM

oops - Fisher and Lourd were never married. She was wed to Paul Simon years ago though. Wonder if she still gets spousal from him - doubtful but she supposedly knew a lot about him he didn't want made public (cross dressing rumors, etc).

by Anonymousreply 70December 21, 2015 11:53 PM

Found it!

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by Anonymousreply 71December 21, 2015 11:56 PM

[quote]I have no doubt there are many movies he's made that he'd like to forget - most of what he's done is crap - but "Star Wars" is not among them.

He's a one-note actor who was lucky enough to come along at the right time when action movies were approaching their zenith. Those movies never required much from their leading men, which worked for him because he didn't have much to give. He has maybe three facial expressions, and that's being generous.

by Anonymousreply 72December 22, 2015 12:56 AM

Hamill has done really well as the voice of the Joker in pretty much every animated Batman series, movie, video game etc...

by Anonymousreply 73December 22, 2015 2:09 AM

R2D2 had a great agent and got 1.5% of the original grosses. That has kept him in the highest grade WB40 for the rest of his life.

by Anonymousreply 74December 22, 2015 2:18 AM

I agree with the others -- Carrie Fisher has gone through her own experiences and is doing as well as she can. This lady is a very talented writer and I wish she'd put pen to paper more often. Carrie deserves only praise for enduring a rigorous promotional tour and countless appearances on chat shows.

by Anonymousreply 75December 22, 2015 2:18 AM

[quote] Carrie deserves only praise for enduring a rigorous promotional tour and countless appearances on chat shows.

I will pray for her tonight!

by Anonymousreply 76December 22, 2015 2:56 AM

Don't believe Guiness had children.

Though he was married he was gay. Supposedly even arrested for soliciting though handling it more cleverly than Gielgud it was never officially reported.

So it would be interesting to know where that yearly cash flow of god knows how much money goes every year.

Didn't he also end up despising the whole thing to the point where he was exasperated by all the fuss. It was like 'After a lifetime of major achievements on stage and film I'm going to be known for eternity as some sort of action hero?!'

by Anonymousreply 77December 22, 2015 3:06 AM

From the wiki page on Sir Alec:

In the final volume of the book A Positively Final Appearance (1997), Guinness recounts grudgingly giving an autograph to a young fan who claimed to have watched Star Wars over 100 times, on the condition that the boy promise to stop watching the film, because, as Guinness told him, "this is going to be an ill effect on your life." The fan was stunned at first, but later thanked him (though some sources say it went differently). Guinness is quoted as saying: "'Well,' I said, 'do you think you could promise never to see Star Wars again?' He burst into tears. His mother drew herself up to an immense height. 'What a dreadful thing to say to a child!' she barked, and dragged the poor kid away. Maybe she was right but I just hope the lad, now in his thirties, is not living in a fantasy world of secondhand, childish banalities."[23] Guinness grew so tired of modern audiences apparently knowing him only for his role of Obi-Wan Kenobi that he would throw away the mail he received from Star Wars fans without reading it.

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by Anonymousreply 78December 22, 2015 4:48 AM

He didnt throw the money away of course. Ungrateful cunt. I understand it can get tiresome, but when something brings you riches and success dont spit on it.

by Anonymousreply 79December 22, 2015 7:23 AM

[quote] She toted her therapy pet bulldog with her everywhere

Oh, good lord, people need to leave their dogs at home.

by Anonymousreply 80December 22, 2015 7:34 AM

R21 a gay dude had a child? I would remember that too.

by Anonymousreply 81December 22, 2015 11:24 AM

What about Maggie Smith who when a little boy went up to her and asked her if she had really been a cat and she said to him with dry British disdain, 'Oh pull yourself together!'

by Anonymousreply 82December 22, 2015 9:10 PM

Harrison Ford isn't worth 56 timed their salary, that is ridiculous. He hasn't had a hit in what - 25 years?

by Anonymousreply 83December 22, 2015 9:26 PM

Abrams supposedly used a brief bit of Guinness's voice in Rey's dream flashback, after she touched the light saber. He took it from dialog he did in the original SW. Did he have to pay his estate to use that I wonder?

by Anonymousreply 84December 22, 2015 11:34 PM

Doubtful. The way Lucas had them all contracted originally was ridiculous. Carrie used to joke that every time she looked in a mirror, she had to pay him ten cents.

by Anonymousreply 85December 22, 2015 11:37 PM

"Did he have to pay his estate to use that I wonder? "

If he recycled dialogue that Guinness already recorded for a prior movie, I doubt it.

by Anonymousreply 86December 23, 2015 3:29 AM

Her performance was stilted to say the least.

What I don't understand is surely she could afford to do something about her dental situation so that she can speak properly (or Star Wars could have funded it).

Or is her dental situation just so bad that there is nothing that could be done to improve the fit of the teeth or the way she speaks?

Does anybody know?

by Anonymousreply 87December 23, 2015 6:32 AM

Ford was in almost the entire movie. Fisher was in maybe ten minutes. Hamill was in sixty seconds. Makes sense to me.

by Anonymousreply 88December 23, 2015 1:52 PM

" Fisher was in maybe ten minutes."

Agreed - but still doesn't warrant 56 times as much.

by Anonymousreply 89December 23, 2015 2:41 PM

Annoying old queen trying to look 22 with that WeHo 'do'.

The scar from her brow lift is visible

by Anonymousreply 90December 23, 2015 2:47 PM

To me, it's not that Ford got paid so much, it's that the others got paid so little.

While it's a much smaller part, it's a fraction of what Robert Downey Jr got paid for Avengers or Avengers II. He'll get $40mm upfront for Captain America III.

The fact that Hammil and Fisher got paid so little and the new guys got even less is surprising since I can't believe anyone would think that this movie would not go over $1 billion worldwide, let alone may be shooting for all-time box office champ. It may not reach Titanic, but it's going to shoot into top 5 without a problem.

I don't know how you justify paying Ridley and Boyega so little (uproven though they are) when the movie is going to make so much. Neither even got paid $1mm.

by Anonymousreply 91December 23, 2015 3:03 PM

We need a Rose Marie thread

by Anonymousreply 92December 23, 2015 3:34 PM

You really don't get how it works R91. What you get paid is a negotiation between your agent and the studio. Like any other negotiation you can only get more of it if you have leverage, If you are an unknown you have NO leverage to negotiate for a lot of money. Think about it logically, they can easily be replaced with someone else.

RDJ had two HUGE hits in Iron Man when he negotiated for Avengers, which is why he got paid so much. He his contract was expiring and he could renogiate again for Avengers Infinity Wars and Captain America Civil War so yeah, he is getting paid big money because is in the the powerful position where Marvel really needed him.

In a similar vein, an unknown like Chris Hemsworth got about the same amount as Daisy Ridley and John Boyega when he starred in Thor, and even his salary for the Avengers was pretty damn small. Of course now he makes more money because he gets to renegotiate his contract.

It was nothing to do with "the movie will make money!", but everything to do with at the time of contract negotiations what you are worth.

by Anonymousreply 93December 23, 2015 3:35 PM

[quote]Carrie Fisher never had to work for a paycheck. She was a trust fund actress.

Debbie Reynolds and Eddie Fisher both had serious financial problems when Carrie was young, she certainly did not have a trust fund.

by Anonymousreply 94December 23, 2015 3:39 PM

[quote]He's a one-note actor who was lucky enough to come along at the right time when action movies were approaching their zenith. Those movies never required much from their leading men, which worked for him because he didn't have much to give. He has maybe three facial expressions, and that's being generous.

If you don't like Ford's acting for whatever reason, you're entitled to that opinion, but he is not "one-note," and he has a lot more than "three facial expressions." You only make yourself sound stupid by claiming otherwise.

Sorry to hear that Guinness was such a sourpuss about STAR WARS. Sounds like the attitude of the guy who voiced HAL the computer in 2001: A SPACE ODYSEEY -- apparently, he has done a lot of work as a classical actor, and he hates the fact that all anyone knows him from is that movie. Why are people like this so dense and ungrateful as not to realize why they're worshiped for these iconic roles, and why can't they embrace the fandom rather than act like dickheads?

P.S. Judging purely from an acting standpoint, Guinness is a lot better in STAR WARS than he is in LAWRENCE OF ARABIA or DR. ZHIVAGO, for example. So I think he should have just graciously accepted the worship he got for STAR WARS and kept his mouth shut when it came to any negative feelings he had about it.

by Anonymousreply 95December 23, 2015 4:03 PM

Agree completely, R95. Harrison Ford is talented. You don't have to like him, but there's enough of his work to prove that he is a versatile and charismatic performer.

I would have been 100000% less interested in seeing TFA without him in it. I'm sure I'm not alone in that.

by Anonymousreply 96December 23, 2015 4:12 PM

Han Solo was a main character in the Force Awakens, he was in a lot more scenes and I would say Harrison put in more days of work. Leia was a supporting character. Maybe a day or two of work.

by Anonymousreply 97December 23, 2015 4:26 PM

[quote]You really don't get how it works

Clearly, I do.

While someone's negotiating position for most movies would be based on their strength at the time they signed, Star Wars is a somewhat different franchise where a bomb would still earn over $1b at the box office, putting it's stars immediately into a stronger negotiating position for any future movies (in or out of the franchise itself).

My point was that it obvious that after this movie, both the younger, new leads will be in the same position as a Hemsworth (before his latest bomb). Unlike Hemsworth or Evans or a laundry list of others, this movie was unquestionably going to make a huge amount, no matter what and would definitely get sequels, no matter what. Even a bomb like The Phantom Menace earned over $1b worldwide.

Also, wouldn't it have made more sense to lock these people down now so their total for all three movies would be cheaper than the inevitable renegotiation if these turned out to be screaming successes? While I'm sure they're locked into doing the next movies, they probably haven't locked the salaries yet.

by Anonymousreply 98December 23, 2015 4:35 PM

Alec Guinness and his wife died within months of each other. They had one son, Matthew, who presumably inherited. AG's estate was 2.5 million pounds stirling when he died but supposedly has grown with continuing Star Wars royalties. Apparently AG made more money with Star Wars than the rest of his career earnings combined. What I read was that he got 2% of the gross royalties paid to director and creator Georges Lucas. In other words he got a cut of Lucas' share not a direct cut of the studio gross. This makes sense inasmuch as Lucas supposedly gave shares to Hammill and Fisher after the fact. Obviously he could give away shares of his money but probably couldn't give away studio money.

by Anonymousreply 99December 23, 2015 4:59 PM

Didn't Plummer also resent his SOM success but then eventually resigned himself to it? Even during the making of the film he acted as if it were beneath him. The co-producer of the film Saul Chaplin in his autobio really does a job on Plummer and his arrogance. Entertaining highfalutin actor stuff. Carr in her book also has some entertaining anecdotes about him that are not complimentary.

by Anonymousreply 100December 23, 2015 7:42 PM

I agree with the others, he brings in the crowds, and Carrie Fisher was well overpaid. He has box office appeal. Look at the reports about Johnny Depp, highly paid, no one sees his movies.

by Anonymousreply 101December 23, 2015 8:12 PM

[quote]He has box office appeal. Look at the reports about Johnny Depp, highly paid, no one sees his movies.

Does anyone really believe that Star Wars would have been less successful without him?

While people were excited to see Han Solo, not one person would have said, "no Han, no go" to the movie.

It's one of the rare franchises which will draw no matter who the stars are. It could have been all unknowns and it would have still been as huge.

by Anonymousreply 102December 23, 2015 9:12 PM

Disagree. It still would have made a crapton of money, but if it didn't hit the nostalgia button for men in their 30-40s who are taking their own children, I doubt it would have been quite the box office explosion.

by Anonymousreply 103December 23, 2015 9:14 PM

r103 is right. I would have been a huge success regardless, but not the record breaker it has turned out to be.

The trailer got massive applause when I saw it in a packed house for the last James Bond movie, and that crowd wasn't clapping for JJ Abrams.

There was a huge nostalgia build-up for this one, and the three leads are primarily responsible. Why not compensate them for it? Fisher included.

by Anonymousreply 104December 23, 2015 9:18 PM

I'm trying to wrap my head around supposed "Income Inequality." They're saying that it's up to the Producers to set a price that they know Harrison Ford will accept and then turn around and offer that same amount to has-been Carrie Fisher? Are these people screwy?

by Anonymousreply 105December 23, 2015 9:30 PM

I read an article this week that said Carrie and Lupita's characters were scripted to have a lot more to do in the film. But then I remember reading here a few months back that Carrie fell off the wagon during production and was quietly shipped off to a rehab in other country, and that Lupita had her own breakdown while making the film. It seems like there could be a correlation between the two.

by Anonymousreply 106December 23, 2015 9:44 PM

I'll be disappointed if Lupita's Maz isn't included in the later chapters. She's obviously supposed to be the Yoda.

by Anonymousreply 107December 23, 2015 9:49 PM

Top Billing:

1) Harrison Ford

2) Mark Hamill

3) Carrie Fisher

4) Adam Driver

5) Daisy Ridley

6) John Bodega

7) Oscar Isaac

8) Lupita Nyong'o

Everyone below Carrie Fisher was completely replaceable. Thousands of actors would kill for those roles and would take them for scale. The new people were paid well (likely the best payday of their careers so far). With auto-pay increases for the next two movies. Don't cry for them.

Any of the Big 3 missing would require a different story but any of them could have easily been "killed off" in the 30+ years since the last movie. The current story was written after the big 3 signed on.

Harrison, Mark, and Carrie most likely all have brand new, very favorable "likeness" merchandising contracts (having been mostly screwed from of the originals) The new actors, with no leverage, not so much.

by Anonymousreply 108December 23, 2015 9:51 PM

Some numbers pulled off the internets....

Star Wars

Harrison Fordt$1,000 a week ($10,000)

Mark Hamilltt$650,000 + 0.25% of profit

Carie Fishertt? +0.25% of profit (but gave up her likeness royalties)

Alec Guinesstt? +2.25% of profit (Totaled $50 million over the years)

James Earl Jonest$5,000

Empire

Harrison Fordt$100,000

Jedi

Harrison Fordt$500,000

Force Awakens

Harrison Fordt$34.7 million +0.5% of profits

Mark Hamilltt$2 million +?

Carie Fishertt$2 million +?

J.J. Abramstt$6.8 million

by Anonymousreply 109December 23, 2015 10:16 PM

"Debbie Reynolds and Eddie Fisher both had serious financial problems when Carrie was young, she certainly did not have a trust fund. "

I love Carrie but I think we all know that had her parents not been Debbie Reynolds and Eddie Fisher, we wouldn't be talking about her right now.

by Anonymousreply 110December 23, 2015 10:52 PM

[quote]Why are people like this so dense and ungrateful as not to realize why they're worshiped for these iconic roles, and why can't they embrace the fandom rather than act like dickheads?

9/10 actors think they have more talent than they really do, and more of them are impossibly weird creative types who are too sensitive to ever function normal society.

Ian McDiarmid was unknown actor when he was cast as Emperor Palpatine and he is forever grateful to have been selected to be a part of the franchise.

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by Anonymousreply 111December 23, 2015 11:19 PM

R91-

I have no doubt that the new leads- Ridley, Boyega and Issac- have hefty comp packages. Probably not much back end, but enough to retire on if they wished. Ford, Fisher and Hamill undoubtedly got points. They'll be able to buy an island.

All three of the former will also have their pick of roles after episode IX.

by Anonymousreply 112December 24, 2015 1:37 AM

The thing is and this may be a spoiler included below so don't read on if you don't want to know.

Carrie and Mark will likely have roles in the next films, Harrison, unlikely

by Anonymousreply 113December 24, 2015 1:44 AM

R104-

That's why Fisher will make way more than $1.5M for this.

Imagine the outcry if she had demanded $10M and the studio had refused. Explaining her offscreen death while Fisher repeatedly tweeted (do you think any talk show would book her if it meant losing that Sweet SW:TFA money?) about how they refused to pay her as much would have SERIOUSLY damaged "the brand". Fanboys would be outraged and picketing alongside the SJWs!

She, and Hamill and Ford, will pull in money long after they are dead off this new trilogy.

by Anonymousreply 114December 24, 2015 1:53 AM

R107

Maz was a favorite. Didn't know it was the radiant Lupita until afterwards.

Seriously- I went into the movie a virgin-pure as a 40y.o. Star Wars geek who has entertainment biz adjacent friends can be. If one of them mentioned the movie I tuned out. I had not read a single article about the movie in six months, had only watched the trailers at Ant-Man and Avengers screenings, and glimpses of TV and magazine ads.

I can't wait to see it again, but Christmas. The whole movie was an overwhelming experience, and I can understand why it is doing such big numbers- people are going repeatedly so they can take it all in.

by Anonymousreply 115December 24, 2015 2:04 AM

R107-

The novelized version mentions that Maz is a Force sensitive.

by Anonymousreply 116December 24, 2015 2:06 AM

[quote]6) John Bodega

Ha!

by Anonymousreply 117December 24, 2015 2:07 AM

If Ford shows up, it will have to be like a certain character in TESB or ROTJ. Otherwise don't count on it.

by Anonymousreply 118December 24, 2015 2:15 AM

I think only Jedis get to do that.

by Anonymousreply 119December 24, 2015 12:22 PM

I think Princess Leia is as iconic to the franchise as Han Solo. Her being paid only 1.5 million even for a brief appearance is a joke.

by Anonymousreply 120December 24, 2015 4:31 PM

Carrie fisher looks most unfortunately like her father. Those genes are toxic and very dominant as one ages.

by Anonymousreply 121December 24, 2015 5:45 PM

Anthony daniels was lovely when I met him at a comic book store in the 90s. He patiently answered children's questions, and kissed my friend's hand.

Mark Hamill, however, was an ass. He was at a convention for Sea-Quest, and would only meet fans who didn't ask about SW. I told him I loved him in Corvette Summer.

An entire set of implants is 50K+; maybe she just doesn't give enough of a fuck to spend that much.

by Anonymousreply 122December 24, 2015 6:07 PM

Carrie must've lost her teeth from all the drugs. The same thing happened to Whitney. Her autopsy showed she had almost a full set of implants.

by Anonymousreply 123December 24, 2015 6:14 PM

Like r50, I was hesitant to see this after the shitfests of EPs I, ii and iii but after seeing Carrie's interviews and knowing Harrison was in this, I bit the bullet and went.

I had a great time and enjoyed the movie. Yes, Carrie's voice was distracting but more for the harsh smokers rasp than anything.

by Anonymousreply 124December 24, 2015 6:43 PM

It will be going over a billion by the end of Christmas R49. Of course they made that deal.

by Anonymousreply 125December 24, 2015 8:01 PM

Eddie Fisher was very cute when he was young and his ass was supposed to have been incredible.

Carrie was never as good looking as either parent even when she was young.

I assume Debbie and Eddie had homely parents and they were flukes.

Carrie seems like a fun, game gal but probably felt very unloved growing up and probably was unloved as the function of her existence was as a lucrative show-business accessory.

In addition not having even half the talent of either parent has so destroyed her morale it has kept her on a multitude of drugs for her entire life.

by Anonymousreply 126December 24, 2015 9:52 PM

I'm wondering if Carrie can't get dental implants because of her electroconvulsive therapy. If she's as gung ho about them as she used to be, then regular bouts of heavy electrical stimulation could possibly aggravate the nerves in her mouth or maybe even cause problems- aren't implant posts metal?

Sadly, Carrie has said that due to all the ECT, she doesn't remember doing any of the Star Wars movies. Not a surprise that she looked relieved to have remembered her lines in the latest one, if her memory is that deeply affected.

by Anonymousreply 127December 24, 2015 11:27 PM

[quote]Sadly, Carrie has said that due to all the ECT, she doesn't remember doing any of the Star Wars movies

I would suspect that Carrie's memory problems have more to do with the amount of drugs she was doing at the time rather than any brain treatments she's had since then.

by Anonymousreply 128December 24, 2015 11:31 PM

I think Carrie did just fine in the film. I'm sure it was no secret (to her or anyone else involved in the film) that she needed a lot of polishing up to be silver screen ready again. And considering the circumstances, I think everyone did the best job they could to make that happen. Carrie lost weight, JJ kept the role small and manageable, and they gave her a military backstory to implicitly explain the aged look to Leia. Frankly, I thought she even looked pretty in several shots. Anywhere close to her beauty in the original films? Of course not, but given Carrie's years of drug abuse, mental illness, and who knows what else she inflicted on her body in those intervening 30 years...this was a pretty good effort by everyone. You can't turn back the clock, you have to work with with what you have, and overall, I think everyone made the best of the situation, Carrie most of all. I'm glad she came back, knowing full well she'd probably her looks, voice, acting, you name it, would get criticized like crazy.

by Anonymousreply 129December 26, 2015 8:06 PM

Carrie herself has said that people's opinions of her looks are based on they way she looked in the metal bikini in Return of the Jedi. She's said something to the effect of: "listen, it was 30 years ago and I was 25. Nobody was going to stay that way after so many years, you need to get over it."

I know Kathleen Turner has also said words to that effect. She's said people somehow expect her to look the same as she did in the 80s and they're disappointed that she doesn't. She's like "time marches on, what the hell can anyone do about it?"

by Anonymousreply 130December 26, 2015 8:51 PM

[quote]She's like "time marches on, what the hell can anyone do about it?"

I'm of two minds on this issue.

On the one hand, having so much work done that you look like the Joker - Meg Ryan, Priscilla Presley, Melanie Griffith - is sad and desperate.

On the other hand, plenty of people have stayed in reasonable shape (with or without better work done than the aforementioned) and aged better than Carrie or Kathleen.

I don't expect them to look exactly the same, but I do think that both of them could have taken better care of themselves and looked much better now than they do.

by Anonymousreply 131December 26, 2015 8:57 PM

I don't want to see it again but I may have to for a closer look at Carrie's performance.

The movie was basically the same as the original with a bigger Death Star. JJ Abrams is such a hack all he does is reboots and sequels. He's no Speilberg.

by Anonymousreply 132December 26, 2015 9:15 PM

[quote]Harrison, Mark, and Carrie most likely all have brand new, very favorable "likeness" merchandising contracts

Well, there's certainly a fortune waiting to be made from action figures of Grandpa Han Solo and Post-Menopausal Princess Leia.

On every child's Christmas list.

by Anonymousreply 133December 26, 2015 9:44 PM

I think they could've replaced Carrie for Melissa Gilbert and there wouldn't have been a huge public outcry. Most any other actress, yes, but Melissa was America's Sweetheart and I think people would have welcomed her as a replacement.

by Anonymousreply 134December 26, 2015 10:09 PM

Melissa you forget to sign your post at R134.

by Anonymousreply 135December 26, 2015 10:42 PM

You're all so convinced that the new, young, actors are obviously going to get a payout once they hit the one billion mark. Do you think the Studios and Producers are stupid? Is it one billion gross or net?

by Anonymousreply 136December 26, 2015 10:43 PM

R136

The principal actors have to be available 24/7/365 for 6+ years as the "New Generation" of Star Wars.

As up and coming Hollywood stars - Isaac and Boyega, especially - I'm certain their agents negotiated contracts that would make it worthwhile to sign. They will be very well compensated.

by Anonymousreply 137December 26, 2015 10:55 PM

R137 I'd still bet their backend is on Net profits.

by Anonymousreply 138December 26, 2015 11:07 PM

R138

Yes, there is no way in hell they get any percentage of gross (unlike the original trio) but "Hollywood accounting" is now cliche. The movie WILL make a profit (depending on how the amortization of the purchase is structured) and the new guys will get paid a few million in the future.

But the leads are now A-list stars, and can ask for big bucks (especially Ridley) in any future or off-time movies.

by Anonymousreply 139December 26, 2015 11:14 PM

Clarification- the big 3 will get some percentage of gross -probably infinitesimal, but even .01% of 2 billion is good money.

by Anonymousreply 140December 26, 2015 11:16 PM

Hamill should have never left Eight is Enough.

by Anonymousreply 141December 26, 2015 11:22 PM

[quote]But the leads are now A-list stars, and can ask for big bucks (especially Ridley) in any future or off-time movies.

I would have assumed Producers locked them into salaries for three movies. Interesting if they didn't.

by Anonymousreply 142December 26, 2015 11:26 PM

R142-

Salary can include promotion and appearance guarantees, but I doubt Disney was stupid enough to agree to pay them peanuts (relatively) when you look at the product.

Rey, Finn and Kylo are now iconic characters. Keeping The Talent happy is worth more than <1M/episode.

by Anonymousreply 143December 26, 2015 11:45 PM

The movie already made a BILLION worldwide.

Still without China.

by Anonymousreply 144December 28, 2015 3:18 AM

I think Carrie also needs some new material. Her books and one-woman show are all autobiographical. Yet everything that happened to her -the movies anyone cares about, the interesting relationships- was 20-30 years ago. So being in a movie people actually see gives her something to talk about, gets her on TV shows, where she is very funny and probably enjoys herself. This is more important than where she got $1.5 million or $3 million.

by Anonymousreply 145January 13, 2016 8:49 AM

Carrie should’ve made more money

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