Science Explains Why So Many Straight Dudes Fantasize About Having Gay Sex Together

This will give DL gays shower nozzle masturbation material for WEEKS!

Can we insert more of this progesterone hormone into more hot straight guys?

No news to us with straight male friends and buddies.

W&W, you will cunt at R1

Seriously R1. I just looked at this headline and rolled my eyes.

Yes, encourage the lonely people at the DL to obsess even more over straight guys and how they all secretly want mansex.

And what's the harm in that, r5? Do you fear DL basement-dwellers will go on a raping rampage on straight guys?

Let people have their fantasies.

Fetishizing straight guys is self-loathing, if you're really into it. The imagined superiority of straight men, please, reeks of self-loathing. I'm so glad I'm over it. Just butch it up a bit and traditional "straight guy" qualities would seem as exotic anymore.

[quote] I'm so glad I'm over it.

Exactly. Every gay boy knows what it is like, and most gay men I know have grown past fetishizing straight guys.

Was surprised when I came here and saw how rampant it was. But I shouldn't be, a lot of arrested development and self-loathing to be found here.

I think it is mainly shut ins who don't really know gay men. When you actually live and realize how many randy gay men of all personality types out there who are attractive and down to fuck, you get over the straight dude thing.

So, THIS is way straight guys like to mess around with other guys from time to time -- hunter/caveman survival instincts!

r8, right, a gay man should be what turns him on, or don't bother me with your straight-worshiping, self-loathing.

Oh please! Gay men have been servicing straight males since the dawn of time. Everybody knows males have a degree of Bicuriosity.

Wait. I'm a homosexual guy who obvisouly is attracted to men, but I haven't felt the need to strengthen bondings with my male friends through sex. Why is that?

I recall seeing it theorized somewhere that female human breasts became large compared to other primates to mimic the appearance of buttocks, male or female.

Human penises, by the way, are much larger compared to body size than those of other primates.

Sexual selection can make a big difference in evolution.

Where does this "self-loathing" idea come from the idea of fetishizing straight men?

Are straight men "woman loathing" because they fetishize deflowering virgins?

R12, not even your hot, attractive friends?

I told you homosexuality was to ensure same sex cooperation on the hunt, and to mediate primate competition that so easily turns to murder as with chimpanzees, and that people who said sexuality is only about reproduction were unscientific morons. since the sex drive was far too strong and pervasive to be about that, and here is the proof.

I've been saying this for years. It was OBVIOUS to any thinking person.

The biggest selling mens magazine worldwide is Men's Health. Think about that for a second, the biggest selling mens magazine globally has pictures of half naked men on it not half naked women, so I think it is safe to say most men are bi-curious. Also here is a 'straight' man asking for advice on prostate massages in the totally not gay Men's Health magazine.

Well, there goes my theory that they're just a bunch of slutty whores that will fuck anything.

R15 I don't desire them sexually.

I think this study is flawed and based on some sort of fetish with heterosexual men...

Be careful. Some of them don't make a serious investment in toilet paper.

No doubt plenty of man on man or man on boy sex was going on in olden times, but it's curious we don't have more accounts of that happening even in the relatively recent 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries.

[R22] Humans didn't evolve genitals until 1649.

I used to think that those "Straight Guys Have Gay Sex for the First Time" videos were just fantasy. Now I realize that they are based on science and fact.

What did I tell you on my thread! There is nothing gay about getting fucked up the ass a couple of times a year. AND THAT'S THAT!

Yea... up the ass is OK. As long as you don't mouth-kiss, it ain't gay.

There's a primitive tribe in Papua New Guinea called the Sambia that prefer sex with boys and believe women are evil witches that want to steal their life force and vitality (semen). They abhor sex with women but will do so reluctantly for reproducing. They believe semen contains the "masculine spirit" and in order for young boys to be eligible for manhood, they must ingest it via fellatio; real men suck dick according to this tribe.

Attraction to teens is not homosexuality per se but ephebophilia.

LOL R26.

I don't care if the owner is gay/straight/whatever. I just want his dick.

[R27] You sure that's Papua New Guinea and not Long Island?

LMAO - W&W for R31

science loves a big problem

This survey was of English str8 guys! Lol. English guys are all mostly bisexual and most European guys for that matter. This survey was flawed! Try it with str8 guys in the US or Australia for more accurate results.

This is just common sense, finally confirmed. It has always been apparent that the "evolutionary biology" model where the human sex drive is about and only about reproduction has always been stupid and wrong. All the stupid ways we were told sexual selection works never matched experience, which is that the human sex drive is too strong and pervasive to have reproduction its most important, or even one if its main, goals. Remember thirty years ago when dumbass scientists were trying to tell us that boobs were substitute asses? Or that males were programmed to fuck everything and women only the strongest, completely ignoring the actual kinship groups higher primates lived in? Finally we are moving deeper into the subject and what do we find? The sex drive is involved with empathy and bonding and social cooperation, just those things that made humans prosper where other animals failed.

[quote]the University of Portsmouth in England

can you imagine?

R35-

That's why frat houses and boys schools and submarines and prisons are hot beds of homosexual activity.

The bonding aspect, strengthening social ties via brain chemistry, is obvious.

It's why the Mormons send out their missionaries in pairs. They are supposed to become homosexual life partners on the downlow. But they aren't supposed to admit it to anyone publicly or privately, but nevertheless it is expected that these bonds will form the core glue of lying hypocrites to run the church and maintain male supremacy (like most religions, women are the majority of members and therefore a permanent threat).

scientists want to hump each other

We need to ask this question in reverse now in order to give any credibility to this. Are there many exclusively gay men who fantasise about sex with women?

Tavistock Institute funded, probably.

Straight men don't fantasize about having gay sex together. Next.

There's a word for straight men who fantasize about having gay sex.

And that word isn't "straight".

Actually I don't know why we always throw out the Kinsey scale in this. If someone has incidental sex with a guy , they can see themselves as straight and for all purposes are . I have had sex with girls but I see myself as totally Gay.

Why is there only black and white, when life is grey?

hump bump!

The fantasy starts with "We already know."

So if you want to seduce a straight guy, become really good friends with him?

I fear this will just incentivize DLers to form commando groups, clad in black tights and balaclavas, that will sneak into breweries in the middle of the night carrying barrels of progesterone and dump them into the beer tanks.

[QUOTE] Ultimately, Fleischman said, “the research suggests that having exclusively heterosexual thoughts is a disadvantage — it’s better to be a little bit attracted to the opposite sex.”

I'm old but this line makes no sense. Shouldn't it read...

[quote] Ultimately, Fleischman said, “the research suggests that having exclusively heterosexual thoughts is a disadvantage — it’s better to be a little bit attracted to the SAME sex.”

I had a gorgeous male friend as a teenager who had come to the US after his father died. He had gone to Eton in the UK and said the homosexual behavior was out of control and starting quite young. He was straight but had messed around with guys in puberty. I think many straight guys are definitely more open than most of us think. European men seem more comfortable with it as do guys in Hollyweird. Hmm.

We are / were shamed, by religious institutions and society in general, into making sex and sexual identity a bigger deal than it really is.

Just appreciate. Don't argue, reject, or fight over trivial matters, because God or some person of authority tells you to.

I had sex with straight guys in college. I was gorgeous and so were they. They considered it hip to do a dude. Therefore, straight guys like that don't cover it up. Mine blabbed about it, or if not, got a glow when it was mentioned socially.

I didn't pursue straight guys then, and never have in my life, either. I wasn't going to say no, though.

R7 / R10 you seem obsessed with "self loathing" - I wonder if that's your own issue?

People sometimes overlook the fact that men can be excited and aroused by same-sex sexual acts without being attracted to the same sex. They're still like teenage boys in that regard, jerking off with a friend and loving it without needing to be sexually attracted to the friend as well.

Pre-COVID thread (2015). Ignore!

This thread is ridiculous. No true straight man wants to fuck another man. There is a separation between gay and straight men when it comes to sexual attraction and the act for a reason. Scientists have been trying to push this narrative for a reason which is to normalize gay sex in straight culture. We straight people see the agenda and we are not falling for it.

Ehh... I've spent a lot of time talking to straight guys on Reddit who post on NSFW boards and some of these dudes are really thoughtful, but also open-minded about their attraction to men. It's fucking strange, because all the straight guys I hung out with at my Christian high school and college would NEVER so much as even admitted whether, say, Hugh Jackman was attractive. It was barely done.

Things have definitely changed though. I think that humanity's waking up sexually in general, and a lot of those societal conventions are fading away, and what's being revealed is that the idea of "true straight" or "true gay" anyone isn't the entire story. But that's just the shit Kinsey was talking about. I honestly think everything he said was probably true, and the film with Neeson, Linney, and Sarsgaard is a perfect depiction of humanity's complicated relationship with sex.

R7 is an idiot. One can fantasize or even fetishize many things and still have self love.

STRAIGHT DUDES?????? Oh, please, you fags don't know shit about straight dudes even if they set foot on your face!

I don't think any actual straight male wants be known as a cock sucker and I don't mean that in the literal jokey term. No woman wants kiss a guy with cock breath. Neither do they want to be known as a anal receiver or a wide receiver and I don't mean playing sports. You see there is a difference between straight and gay also bisexual men. Most of those guys are closeted bisexuals, if they are fantasizing about other men.

None of them ever have 'gay' sex. They may sexually interact with another male but never in a gay way.

[quote] No woman wants kiss a guy with cock breath.

Yeah, I'm starting to think people here don't know women either. Not every straight or gay woman or man is a monolith. There are plenty of women who are turned on by their man in various sexual situations. This is common, so I'm surprised to see people here speaking so dogmatically about something that's inherently fluid. Labels are guidelines not godlaws.

[quote]They may sexually interact with another male but never in a gay way.

Could someone explain this to me?

Yes, GAY is Jack from Will and Grace.

Gay is not guys being guys who happen to be horny.

Gay is a lifestyle.

Sex is an isolated thing.

A common Navy joke:

When 40 men go down in a submarine 20 couples come up.

R64 - Gay is a lifestyle? Are you posting from the 1980s?

2020

It seems many of you do not get the distinction.

In muslim culture sex between men is common and normal. GAY is not. Therefore as long as you conform to societal norms then you may do what you like.

Men can 'act out' 'be boys' 'just be horny' and as long as they do not take a boyfriend and flame out no one things of them as gay. Gay is still perceived as a personality lifestyle choice by most. I am not saying it is but that is the perception.

Per the article:

[quote]Researchers concluded that gay thoughts go hand in hand with the need to create alliances with members of the same sex, which can be traced all the way back to the teamwork mentalities

That's because homosexuality is a natural trait of the interaction between males. It's not hard science.

Some straight guys are gayer than others.

R62. I am a straight woman so have a seat somewhere. You don't know straight women and please stop basing your beliefs on amateur porn. Most straight women don't want a guy that enjoys gay sex. Unless of course she is bisexual which is the case 60 percent of the time. R68. You don't go out much to state that delusional statement. You need to interact with all kinds of straight men and which includes the very religious type. It seems most homosexuals on DL live in a parallel universe or maybe it is a gay planet.

Lots of wishful thinkers in this thread.

R71 = Not a man.

Listen baby, this has been discussed for ages. Homosexuality is a male trait.

[quote] We straight people see the agenda and we are not falling for it.

No blowjobs! No blowjobs!

Really R70 , stop flattering yourself. Let's say you are real. I like how you take the authoritative roll on women's sexuality and tastes based upon your own impeccable credential of being a woman. But then you want to lecture men on their perception of all male relationships.

If you really don't see the issue there, then maybe I was wrong to doubt that you really are a woman.

Yes, I know from experience that some self-identified hetero guys will get it on in a limited way with other guys. I also know that THEY WILL NEVER LOVE YOU.

Evo psych BS study...

R74. I am real and that is why I am calling your bullshit. You are a gay man not just a man. You are different from straight men when it comes to sexuality in terms of whom you are attracted to and the sex act. what you know is within your gay culture and it shows most gay men are far gone and really live in a gay bubble. The world outside is quiet different. Be thankful you live in a society where you can freely express your homosexuality because it will explain why you are very delusional. Most gay men in less progressive countries do not live in a gay bubble and they won't state the idiotic comment that homosexuality is natural in men.

r77 is right, mostly.... but there *are* hetero-identified guys who like the occasional blowjob from another dude. It's just that THEY WILL NEVER LOVE YOU.

This is interesting because the conventional wisdom I'd always heard was that straight guys were just so horny they could get off by fucking men even if they'd rather have a woman. But to fantasize about men means having an active desire for them. I think it's kind of disingenuous to rationalize that away as just some sort of primitive male bonding. Re Papua New Guinea, try ancient Athens. And yeah, British all-male boarding schools are notorious for promoting not so much consensual sexual experience as BDSM and rape.

I don't fetishize straight men, I fetishize their assholes. The hot ones, anyway.

They don't promote it, in fact they punish it when they can't avoid doing so, they just turn a blind eye.

All our understanding about sexuality is (shocker) framed by our current culture. Culture filters ideas about sexuality.... the power of cultural reproduction sets epistemological patterns and structures in our psychology - amplified or modified by political agendas, sometimes.

"Gay" as an inherent impermeable identify suits the contemporary psychological and political needs of multiple groups: religious bigots, radical faeries, Mormon pietists, gay liberationists, straight women on DL.... all are comforted by the rigid categories.

Human history suggest more flexibility, One commonplace example is the sexual bonding among pairs of soldiers in ancient Greece, Sparta of course... but Thebes was kinda nutso. Soldier/lovers to conquer the known world.

R82. I love your word salads. You stated a bunch of nothing without stating anything meaningful. You should be a politician since you are full of hot air and not enough fumes.

Mission accomplished.

I love your cramped word trolling.

I don't know R77 . I think you are doing a little projecting there. I suspect that YOU are the gay man living in the bubble with scant glances at the lives of heterosexual men. I don't really care to debate my personal credible relationships with other men that were not based on sexual attraction. Nor am I interested in regaling you with the relationships (both sexual and platonic) that I have enjoyed with women. There are so many things about my experiences and those of other men that do not fit into the cookie cutter version of "gay men" that you are inclined to accept as gospel truth.

My point was that you crashed into this discussion to assert your authority on women's sexuality based upon the fact that you were a straight female. You went on to discount the men on this thread and their opinions because they were limited by the very thing that you think gives you your credibility.

Like I said, bitch. if you don't get what a joke that makes you, you just might really be a woman.

The Sambia no longer practice ritual initiations for young males.

"In the 1970s, the system of collective initiations known as the mokeiyu was curtailed. By the end of the 1980s, the ritual of boy-insemination had been abandoned (although certain other traditional teachings, such as nose-bleeding rituals, still continued.) Beginning in the 1990s, a new form of social sexuality appeared, known as the "luv" marriage, where romantic love became the basis for choosing a mate.[8]"

Yeah, that

Curious idea, OP. I could certainly believe it.

But what of us systerwomyn? What is the hormonal and socio-sexual explanation for straight women who nonetheless desire and seek sex with other females?

Perhaps the female bonding?

[quote] I'd always heard was that straight guys were just so horny

That has more to do with being a certain age and male rather than being straight versus gay.

This thread is like 3 trolls arguing past each other...The only thing missing is the G0y freaks...Whatever happened to them? They used to swarm comment sections railing against the evils of male anal sex and copying/pasting pages and pages from their creepy websites about frotting...I am wary to this day of even typing in the name because it was like a Beetlejuice summoning...

Homosexuality is part of the natural interaction of men. No one has to argue with facts.

It doesn't mean, however, that all men are interested in engaging in homosexual sex.

R92. You have lost your mental marble or shall I state you have lost your touch of reality outside your gay bubble. So which gay planet do you live in.

R92.straight men can state the same thing that all men are born with a heterosexual gene and some choose not to act on it.

What's your damage, R93?

So condescending for no obvious reason And the insistence on using negative stereotypes, you are just exhausting.

Go do some volunteer work or just expand your reading somewhat. In your case, it would appear that the unexamined life is turning you into a cunt.

R95 The internet was a mistake.

R95 rich coming from a delusional Faggot.

Yea beware anyone making broad claims about "human nature" - the straight fetishists want to claim that every man is naturally inclined to homosex and culture is suppressing it while the homophobes argue that the obverse - man is naturally inclined to heterosex and culture encourages homosex as a deviation from nature. The truth is that we still don't know much scientifically about sexuality and the taboo around sexuality makes it largely absent from much of the traditional historical record...Anyone making absolute claims are talking shit...

R89 ok, but isn’t that a glib pat answer? What *about* female bonding?

It’s widely thought and accepted that women more naturally and easily bond homosocially without sex, so what compels lesbian activity/Kinsey 2-4 women? Do they just have elevated progesterone? Is it only that they want to sapphically fuck at certain point in their menstrual cycles? Is social conditioning a mitigating factor at all? There are more questions than answers.

Male heterosexuality is completely real and they do not want you and never will, gays.

R100. Thank you. Good to know there are few on this thread who still in reality not a gay bubble. Since most gay men in this thread are addicted to porn of all kinds their reality over time has become distorted. This is what happens when you watch too much porn. You begin to believe reality is amateur and professional porn.

Having some degree of attraction to the opposite sex is a type of adaptive behavior, and in any adaptive behavior you will see extremes of the spectrum, hence some people will only be attracted to members of the same sex.”

Perhaps the biggest leap to explain why some people are gay.

It's genetic, man. You think guys didn't get-off together all throughout history? And I'm sure gang raping women was the norm before civilization (if you want to call that sex).

And homophobia springs from fear of homosexuality. Fear that they'll slide into it and like it. So they project their fear and loathing onto other people.

Oh, I get it now, R101. Maybe I should return your faggot comment with something about you being "uppity". This certainly confirms the reason why so many brothers are on the DL. (Not datalounge, btw)

I really am sorry he hurt you so bad. Was it a boyfriend? Husband? Father, perhaps?

However, your conviction (which I am sure is unwavering) is obviously tainted by your personal experience. It bleeds through every post with the name calling and sophomoric reasoning.

You don't even bother backing up your declarations with sound arguments. Nevermind data or published research.

I guess you have found the perfect place for yourself here.

In the end, you are simply... Typical.

R104. Bitch please. Look in the mirror before coming for straight people. I have never known anyone who is down low. Your comments are typical of homosexual men assumptions about straight people.

" I have never known anyone who is down low."

Neither did R. Jei.

But again, you offer up anecdotes from your finite experience. See how that logic just exposed you to ridicule? Not only do you lack wit, you abandon forethought.

You wouldn't hail from ATL would you? The TBCs and are like hornets nests full of DL brothers. I guess you are not that unique of a voice in your community. And all of us here at DL thank you for the continued availability of closeted, needy black men.

Now, come back and call me a faggot who knows nothing about brothers on the down low. Its just my twisted, warped and dare I say immoral thought processes that prevent me from seeing what is so obvious to you.I mean, that IS what you are saying about people who disagree with you.

R106. First of all I have never lived in ATL and I have no interest in the down low culture neither do I know any black men secretly closeted. You are really trying so hard to assume shit about me. Just give it up dude. By the way I am a straight woman and not a guy. This is the shit you gays always do, assuming shit about us straight people.

A team of researchers at the University of Quebec at Trois-Rivieres asked a pool of 1,516 men and women, living in the province of Quebec, what they fantasized about sexually. The participants were anywhere from 18 to 77 years old, and the average age was 30 years.

Though the answers are not from a culturally diverse group, they still offer an interesting sample. Of the 717 men studied, 1.5% identified as being homosexual, 9.8% were bisexual, and the rest were heterosexual.

26.8% of all male participants fantasized about giving oral sex to a man

20.6% of all male participants fantasized about having sex with another man

"By the way I am a straight woman and not a guy. This is the shit you gays always do, assuming shit about us straight people"

OMG, we have unlocked the Davinci code, lol.

No! A straight woman of color? I never would have guessed it.

Ok. You win.

[quote]neither do I know any black men secretly closeted.

That's why they call it a secret! : )

So tired of the Frau invasion and heterosexual supremacists who have never heard of Kinsey. Tedious and ignorant.

R111 what does Kinsey have to do with straight men. There are three main forms of sexuality right now, straight, gay and bisexual. Straight guys aren't interested in fucking you unless you have an actual pussy and I don't mean getting a fake one. So give up this bullshit delusion. R110. I have good gaydar and I don't know anyone who is closeted. Besides most straight people tend to be friends with people whom are more like them.

[quote]people whom are more like them.

Oh. Dear.

R112 phoning it in from the 60s.

Thanks for the views of Tardation Nation, R112

Thanks for the views of Tardation Nation, R112

Thanks for the views of Tardation Nation, R112

R117. Thanks for tbe view from psychotic nation.

The homophobic straight women didn't waste any time stinking up this thread.

R118, Clearly you don’t know what psychosis is dear, despite your unfortunate diagnosis. Go get your Invega shot, take a nice cold bath, take that Ativan prn, then call your case manager. If you can stabilize yourself, waddle back over to the Club House where you belong. Nobody wants your diseased and smelly cunt around here. We don’t care for your uninformed, bigoted, and fascist remarks. Bye.

R120. Bye to you too bitch. Use your valium.

Wow, the sister really is dull, isn't she? For the sake of all black women of color, I pray that R112 (who has posted around 30 times to this thread) is fake and just a troll.

If real, she has some kind of mental disability. Plus, I would stick with my earlier hypothesis. Dumb black girl hurt by brother on the down low.

I think the next time some straight guy, with whom you're about to have a sexual encounter, says he has a gf or wife who's "okay" with it, you should ask him for his gf's/wife's phone number so you can call her to verify her "approval".

Explains it pretty well. One thing we were never told about the Kinsey Study was that while Kinsey 6's run about 4% of the population, the rates of male bisexuality run a range of 30% to 40%.

[quote]Dumb black girl hurt by brother on the down low.

But she'll still tell her friends that she Don't Need No Man.

Betty Ford invented heterosexual anal sex in Grand Rapids MI in 1947.

That should go over REALLY well R123.