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The Trannies Ruin Everything

Houston Anti-Discrimination goes down in flames because it becomes all about trannies.

I wish them well, but don't want my civil rights taken away because of them. Sorry, I know that is selfish.

by Anonymousreply 115August 22, 2020 11:42 PM

OP, it wasn't just because of "trannies"

Most people in Texas hate all LGBT people. They hate gays and trans people. Look at how they vote

by Anonymousreply 1November 4, 2015 2:37 AM

Texas is a Shit Hole. the place should be nuked.

by Anonymousreply 2November 4, 2015 2:46 AM

[quote]Most people in Texas hate all LGBT people. They hate gays and trans people. Look at how they vote

The facts:

1. HERO was exclusively Houston -- the Houston Equal Rights Ordinance -- not all of Texas.

2. Houston has elected a lesbian mayor three times in a row.

3. Most Houstonians support LGB protections in the workplace, housing, etc.

4. HERO became entirely fixated on men using women's bathrooms.

5. What men want to use women's bathrooms? Not gay men. Not bi men. Trannies.

Trannies sank HERO. Period.

by Anonymousreply 3November 4, 2015 2:47 AM

The vote was made ALL about trannies using bathrooms.

by Anonymousreply 4November 4, 2015 2:47 AM

YEP R4,!!!!

by Anonymousreply 5November 4, 2015 2:51 AM

And this same trans type bill will fail in EVERY state!!!!

by Anonymousreply 6November 4, 2015 2:52 AM

r3, should gay men be banned from the men's restroom because of Larry Craig?

by Anonymousreply 7November 4, 2015 2:52 AM

Furthermore:

1. "Bathroom panic" stories were used to try to deny LGB civil rights.

2. It didn't work. And when it didn't work:

3. People saw it was unfounded -- no gay man is rushing into the ladies' loo.

4. However, people have SEEN that trannies demand to use the bathroom of their choice and are willing to sue over the "right." They're not happy even with a gender-neutral bathroom. It's all about THEIR rights.

5. So: Houston said "Fuck you, it's about our rights too."

6. And the Ts shot down job protection, housing protection, etc. not only for them, but for lesbians and gays. Thanks, trannies.

by Anonymousreply 8November 4, 2015 2:52 AM

r6, pro-gay bills have failed in most states. Gay marriage usually lost on the ballot.

by Anonymousreply 9November 4, 2015 2:53 AM

Of course, some trannies are thrilled that it failed, because it wasn't all about them.

[quote]Feeling guilty I have Schadenfreude about #HERO failing so it will emphasize how LGB activism has erased trans lives (it has.)

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by Anonymousreply 10November 4, 2015 3:05 AM

Right on time:

[quote]Thing that worries me most about this Houston setback is the prospect of cis LGB ppl blaming inclusion of trans rights for the defeat.

[quote]Given past history, I have no faith in the cis gay community NOT blaming trans* ppl for the defeat :(

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by Anonymousreply 11November 4, 2015 3:10 AM

r9 drop the fuckingT! AND take your false sharia law equivalence and shove it!

by Anonymousreply 12November 4, 2015 3:21 AM

Thanks, T.

by Anonymousreply 13November 4, 2015 3:25 AM

[quote]3. People saw it was unfounded -- no gay man is rushing into the ladies' loo.

You're not American, so stfu!

by Anonymousreply 14November 4, 2015 4:29 AM

r10, that person is from Canada.

by Anonymousreply 15November 4, 2015 4:30 AM

[R10] How come LGB activism erase Trans lives? I don't get it . Can anybody please explain to me ?

by Anonymousreply 16November 4, 2015 4:32 AM

Stonewall film, R16?

Trans believe they are the ones who created and maintain the gay movement and they believe everything the LGB does is without their regard

by Anonymousreply 17November 4, 2015 4:55 AM

....

by Anonymousreply 18November 4, 2015 7:05 PM

Homophobes in Houston drummed up and fed stupid paranoia about bathrooms to divide us and defeat progressive legislation. Evidently you're falling for it too. Are you as dumb as the Texans who voted against HERO?

by Anonymousreply 19November 4, 2015 7:13 PM

Your civil rights? You have computer and leisure time to post on a gossip site. You sound very oppressed.

by Anonymousreply 20November 4, 2015 7:15 PM

I'm reluctant to say so, but I agree. LGBT rights ordinances will be turned back again and again if it is perceived or is led by trans issues, particularly about pronouns and bathrooms. It's a ridiculous premise but once again the T-tail is wagging and now tripping up the LGB-dog. Decades of work will be undone because of ridiculous demands that go well beyond basic discrimination issues. Our enemies are fully aware of this and will exploit it to the fullest. The anti-HERO campaign was a trumped up fear campaign about trans men in women's public bathrooms. Everyone, gay and straight has about had enough.

by Anonymousreply 21November 4, 2015 7:25 PM

Check your CIS privilege R21.

by Anonymousreply 22November 4, 2015 7:58 PM

The bathroom stuff is not "stupid paranoia," and the people who understand this are not all bigots. Trans is a self-identity. It requires nothing more objective than a person's claim to "feel like" the opposite sex. The vast majority hang on to their original plumbing.

If this is the standard, then there is nothing to stop a man who wants to murder and rape women to throw on a wig and heels and claim to be trans. Not a damn thing The other side is simply right about this. This is why the LGBT groups can't counter it: it's the truth.

If you pass laws like this, actual women and girls lose their legal right to ask a man to leave the restroom (or locker room or dressing room or...). These women and girls have no option other than to just trust that the person with a penis is there simply to pee. In most cases this will be the case. In other cases? Maybe not.

by Anonymousreply 23November 4, 2015 8:05 PM

[quote] And this same trans type bill will fail in EVERY state!!!!

Thirteen states and D.C. have already passed bills protecting transgender rights.

The bathroom hysteria is a straw man argument similar to arguments made against gays in the military and the integration of military.

by Anonymousreply 24November 4, 2015 8:39 PM

If one is Trans and convincing as being a female, then what's the problem? Is the building superintendent going to ask all incoming to drop their panties to check? If you have a dick and balls, stay out of the women's room regardless of what attire you CHOSE to wear.

by Anonymousreply 25November 4, 2015 8:54 PM

[quote] Trans is a self-identity.

So is straight, bi, and gay.

by Anonymousreply 26November 4, 2015 9:23 PM

Except, R26, straight, bi, and gay are orientations you express by physical acts of sex, affection, cohabitation, shared responsibilities, and marriage. Trans in 2015 involves nothing more than saying you feel a certain way, which is then expressed largely by costuming.

by Anonymousreply 27November 4, 2015 10:48 PM

He or she doesn't need to 'check' anything R22 - this is a fucking GAY site for GAY and LESBIAN people to freely speak their minds as they damn well chose. What you need to check is the the growth of hair on your back - it'll ruin that stripper get up which you fondly imagine will snare you the het hubby of your dreams

by Anonymousreply 28November 4, 2015 10:54 PM

The whole bathroom thing is a fraudulent argument. Come up with something better.

by Anonymousreply 29November 4, 2015 11:26 PM

No it isn't fraudulent, R29. Not if you have women and/or girls in your life that you feel deserve the right to dress, shower, and use the restroom in spaces where no penises are present. This kind of protection, with no stipulations, fully allows for any male to claim trans status in order to enter any women's-only space. That is not an opinion; it is fact.

The reason the LGBT groups have never been able to combat it is because it is an actual problem. Many people would be inclined to support employment, housing, and general public accommodation protections as they apply to people who identify as transgender. However, women (and men) deserve sex-segregated spaces.

by Anonymousreply 30November 5, 2015 12:14 AM

Petition

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by Anonymousreply 31November 5, 2015 12:19 AM

R27 and R28 - your arguments are right out of the homophobes and handbook. Substitute bathrooms for public schools.

by Anonymousreply 32November 5, 2015 2:26 AM

The T is a Trojan horse to make gays look bad!!!

by Anonymousreply 33November 5, 2015 2:32 AM

No r32, BECAUSE THEYRE NOT THE SAME. A gay child in the schoolroom doesn't equate to a 6'3" man jerking off in a women's locker room while watching twelve year old girls get undressed.

by Anonymousreply 34November 5, 2015 2:42 AM

r34 preach!!!

by Anonymousreply 35November 5, 2015 2:44 AM

Yes preach that insanity R34! It's no different from the gay child molestor shit that homophobes push.

Trannies are not the enemy of gays -- the straight radfems swarming all over DL like fire ants are.

by Anonymousreply 36November 5, 2015 2:47 AM

This thread has a bad case of the DTs

by Anonymousreply 37November 5, 2015 2:47 AM

R36, is a boy in a dress

by Anonymousreply 38November 5, 2015 2:50 AM

I'd say it was the Trannies.

by Anonymousreply 39November 5, 2015 2:51 AM

R34 - What does that have to do with transgender rights?

It is a fact that 13 states and DC have protections for transgender people and something like 200 municipalities. But whenever people like you bring up the man masturbating in the girls locker room they never actually refer to this problem occurring at greater rates in areas where transgender people are protected.

I find it laughable that some man who is going to masturbate in public in front of girls or women - is somehow stopped by the bathrooms where people with a penis aren't allowed.

by Anonymousreply 40November 5, 2015 2:58 AM

You don't get it, R40. Right now if a man does it he'll be arrested. A man is not supposed to be in that space. If the T protection becomes law, any man will be allowed to enter a woman's washroom and claim to be woman and security guards or no one would be able to tell him to leave. It's not rocket science.

by Anonymousreply 41November 5, 2015 3:52 AM

If an establishment told Trannies you have nowhere to piss, shit, and wash your hands, then that is discrimination. That's not the case.

Separate facilities based on race in the 1950s' and before were indicators of societal discrimination. Gender distinctions for restrooms are more than a value judgment and not intended for prejudice, it' s a matter of safety, the anatomy of users, comfort, privacy, practicality, norms, etc. In this regard, distinctions are warranted. Women's rooms are usually closer to reach, but is that a real cause to complain? ADA is to afford the disabled access and accommodations for reaching and using restrooms. And those matters apply to entire builings pertinent to reasonable access. There's no legal cross arguments on this for the trans agenda.

by Anonymousreply 42November 5, 2015 10:10 AM

Interesting person you found there, R10. Scrolling through her tweets I see her saying her parents sexually abused her every day of her life, literally, but then six hours later was praising her mom for knowing she was trans very early on.

Wonder which story is true? Wonder if SHE knows which story is true?

by Anonymousreply 43November 5, 2015 10:45 AM

[quote]Substitute bathrooms for public schools.

What the hell is wrong with your thinking that you believe public restrooms and school locker rooms are the same as education?

There are other options, including gender neutral bathrooms and locker rooms for everyone who feels comfortable using them. Trans women don't want that, though. They want women's bathrooms and locker rooms and nothing else will do, because they believe that it will help codify their identity as real women, and because they say that men in the men's rooms might get violent.

Yet for some reason people like you forget that the non-op trans women, the ones who do nothing but wear gender non-conforming clothes, are ALSO MEN. You believe that because they say they're women, they are exactly the same as bio-women. They're not.

Why does it hurt your feelings so much to acknowledge the feelings of bio-women on this?

Why are you so upset when gays and lesbians say that sexual preferences are NOT the same politically or philosophically as gender identity issues?

For fuck's sake, the trans need to stop piggybacking on everyone else's movements and create their own. If they're not claiming their fight is the same as the LGB fight, then they're using civil rights rhetoric, or they're appropriating feminism for their own cause, etc. etc. Then they sit on Twitter and Tumblr and whine that black people, gays, lesbians and feminists don't like them. Well I fucking wonder why?

Your fight is not ours. We already went through the bathroom panic fight years and years ago! I can't believe we've taken so many steps backwards and are having to do it all over again because of a fucking fad.

by Anonymousreply 44November 5, 2015 10:55 AM

'Wonder which story is true?'

Depends. If the wind's blowing North Easterly, the first story. If South Westerly, the second, R43.

by Anonymousreply 45November 5, 2015 11:34 AM

R40 transgender rights are not any different from anyone else's. They are not entitled to anything that is at the expense of other people's rights, in this case the right of women and children to be safe. I see you conveniently ignored the fact I was responding to a cretinous comparison of a child sitting in a classroom being exactly the same as a man, with the size and strength to easily assault a woman, having legal right to be in women's spaces where they are vulnerable.

You cannot truly be that stupid so I'm going with mentally ill. I'm sorry for your loss (of your mind).

by Anonymousreply 46November 5, 2015 1:38 PM

'I'm sorry for your loss (of your mind).'

Honey, we all know how testing the T can be, but let's keep it civil.

by Anonymousreply 47November 5, 2015 1:44 PM

13 states and DC plus 200 municipalities have human rights ordinances that include gender identity.

That is a fact.

So far no one has posted any evidence of the dire consequences predicted to have actually occurred.

Do you see the problem?

by Anonymousreply 48November 5, 2015 1:49 PM

We've posted plenty of evidence of trans MTF criminality, R48. Plenty. Google.

by Anonymousreply 49November 5, 2015 1:58 PM

What's really sad is when 200 school girls are called bigots in the media because one person who can't figure his sexuality out.

Suddenly the rights of transgender people trumps the rights of biological females.

Please, trans-advocates and allies, explain the humanity in this situation.

by Anonymousreply 50November 5, 2015 2:43 PM

Restroom assignments are about anatomy, not how one "feels" or chooses to dress. Period!

by Anonymousreply 51November 5, 2015 2:51 PM

'Period!'

A trigger warning would have been appreciated, cis-scum-fascist-hater-bully.

by Anonymousreply 52November 5, 2015 2:59 PM

No R52 Coco, just an authentic, middle aged lesbian bitch who does not want lice dropping off your wig in the restroom.

by Anonymousreply 53November 5, 2015 3:05 PM

A lot of trans are gender obsessed. They care more about and uphold gender roles and norms more than straight people. The smart thing to do not just for their cause but for society in general would be gender neutral bathrooms--they don't want that. They're obsessed with gender.

by Anonymousreply 54November 5, 2015 3:12 PM

[quote]A lot of trans are gender obsessed.

A lot of gays are sex obsessed.

by Anonymousreply 55November 5, 2015 3:13 PM

Do you have some kind of point R55

by Anonymousreply 56November 5, 2015 3:14 PM

Do you?

by Anonymousreply 57November 5, 2015 3:16 PM

Yeah my point was that trans are obsessed with gender and they don't actually care about progress (which would be gender neutral bathrooms), they actually want to keep things as they are or even take things back. They claim to hate gender when they're actually fetishists. Can you not read or? R57

by Anonymousreply 58November 5, 2015 3:18 PM

What do you consider "dire consequences" r48? Are you waiting for actual sexual assaults to happen before the consequences becomes "dire" in your mind? There was a particularly ridiculous recent example where a grown man was sitting naked in the locker room sauna and displaying his dick to young children and a high school girls swim team that uses the facility to practice.

The solution? To stuff all the women and children into a smaller locker facility (which BTW the MTF could have opted to use himself if they genuinely felt uncomfortable in the men's locker room or had a shred of consideration for anyone else's feeling but of course that was not their real purpose. I'm surprised they didn't demand their right to barge into that one as well.

Maybe someone here can repost the link to this self-described poly-amorous fetishist's social media page. They're quite the piece of work. Were there "dire consequences" to the incident? Debatable but it's definitely it's own kind of discrimination.

Perhaps if the community could accept that acts like HERO would have had a better chance of passing.

by Anonymousreply 59November 5, 2015 3:30 PM

I don't think people with penises are female, unless they are intersex. It is rather arrogant to expect other people to submit to a non-objective, biological view of sex and gender. People are rebelling against the transgender movement's attempt to force people to go along with their rejection of biology and reality.

by Anonymousreply 60November 5, 2015 3:34 PM

[quote]So far no one has posted any evidence of the dire consequences predicted to have actually occurred.

Yeah, actually, examples have been posted repeatedly, and is easily available online if you do a search. Look for names like Joseph David Fialkowski, Tara Hudson, Dana McCallum, and Jessica Hambrook -- the trans woman who assaulted women in domestic crisis shelters because she insisted she deserved to be in a shelter with bio women.

But why should we even bother to respond? You'll do the exact same thing you always do: avoid even responding, try to shut the thread down and come back on a new thread saying the same things, because you think if you lie often enough, it'll turn into fact.

by Anonymousreply 61November 5, 2015 3:43 PM

Preach r61!

by Anonymousreply 62November 5, 2015 8:55 PM

Adding to R61's list, let's not forget this fragile charmer, Patrick Hagen, who knocked 5 of a woman's teeth out when she challenged his presence in the ladies room

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by Anonymousreply 63November 5, 2015 9:22 PM

And we mustn't forget this delicate princess, Donna Perry. She killed three women in Spokane when 'she' 'was' a man called Douglas - and then demanded to be housed with female prisoners. The state were happy to oblige, because trans feelings are more important than women's lives.

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by Anonymousreply 64November 5, 2015 9:26 PM

Pointing to crimes committed by individuals is not evidence of anything but those individuals committed crimes. What you are doing is similar to making the argument gay men shouldn't have legal protection by pointing to Jeffrey Dahmer.

Certainly there is no evidence those individuals would not have committed criminal acts if gender identity was not covered by a human rights ordinance.

Here is an easy example. Abstinence only sex education. We have the data on states which have abstinence only education policies. Those states have higher teenage pregnancy and birth rates than states with more comprehensive sex ed policies.

Again you have thirteen states which included gender identity in their human rights ordinances/laws. Where is your evidence, like above, that the dire consequences you predict are actually occurring in those states. Not only occurring but at higher rates than before the ordinance/law was passed, but also higher than similar states.

Because I can't find it. But if you have it post the links.

by Anonymousreply 65November 5, 2015 9:53 PM

R59

That dude also had an OKCupid profile and a Livejournal where he admitted to being an exhibitionist. That's ultimately what trans access in women's spaces is about: penis rights.

R65

And here's the resident MRA. Are men a physical threat to women or not? Nothing about "identifying" as a woman makes a man any less violent. Most men don't rape, but that's not a reason to allow men into women's spaces. Women's spaces exist because a substantial minority of men can't be trusted.

by Anonymousreply 66November 5, 2015 9:58 PM

'Pointing to crimes committed by individuals is not evidence of anything but those individuals committed crimes.'

Trans are not associated with stable, low-key, easy-going behaviors, R65. Far too many of them behave in ways which are anti-social and violate the rights of others.

by Anonymousreply 67November 5, 2015 10:06 PM

[quote] And this same trans type bill will fail in EVERY state!!!!

Sorry Sunshine..it's already law in California. And the right-wing shittards aren't going to get enough signatures on their petitions by Dec 21 to get it on the ballot here.

by Anonymousreply 68November 5, 2015 10:10 PM

R65 trans women commit crimes at the same rate as men (which they are). Men aren't allowed in women's spaces because they cannot be trusted not to rape and murder. Of course only a small minority of men are rapists or murderers but those that are don't wander around with a badge to let us know who they are so we don't allow them unfettered access to potential victims. A man who thinks he's a woman isn't exactly mentally stable at the best of times and will commit crimes just the same as if he wasn't wearing a dress so why do you think an exception should be made?

by Anonymousreply 69November 5, 2015 10:18 PM

R63 Holy mother of god.

by Anonymousreply 70November 5, 2015 10:20 PM

If it's fraudulent, r29, then let it go. But you won't because Ts want nothing more than to get into the women's bathroom. They don't care about equal pay and abortion rights....or any other woman's issue.

by Anonymousreply 71November 5, 2015 10:22 PM

Nice post, Lesbian SJW @ R69. What about FTMs? They seem to not be an issue. You apparently only have a problem with MTFs.

by Anonymousreply 72November 5, 2015 10:22 PM

FF r72 for using lesbian as a slur.

The Ts are both homophobic & misogynist. Clearly.

by Anonymousreply 73November 5, 2015 10:27 PM

FF yourself, asshole

by Anonymousreply 74November 5, 2015 10:29 PM

I have no problem with women who identify as men in the women's restroom. Bathrooms are segregated according to bio sex not gender identity.

At this rate, trannies will be kicking butch lesbians out of the women's room.

by Anonymousreply 75November 5, 2015 10:29 PM

Neither lesbian nor SJW r72 but your using lesbian as an insult shows the inherent misogyny of the M2T. As for using M2T in my example, that's because men rape women usually, not women rape men. The discussion is about men committing violent crime. What bit don't you understand?

by Anonymousreply 76November 5, 2015 10:32 PM

[quote] have no problem with women who identify as men in the women's restroom.

You might not, but I guarantee you if a bearded FTM walked into a women's restroom most places, there would be trouble.

by Anonymousreply 77November 5, 2015 10:33 PM

R76, for the record, I'm not M2T, whatever the fuck that is. And yes, men commit violent crime. Maybe you should focus on that instead of the majority of MTFs who transition successfully and don't have the aggressive traits of regular males.

by Anonymousreply 78November 5, 2015 10:36 PM

'What about FTMs? They seem to not be an issue.'

That's correct. They aren't an issue. They are bio women, who were socialised as women. They pose the same level of threat to kids and women as any other woman. They aren't male.

by Anonymousreply 79November 5, 2015 10:57 PM

Another thread by the Trobtroll

by Anonymousreply 80November 5, 2015 11:01 PM

The Trantoilob Troll

Tranny in the toilet obsessed troll

by Anonymousreply 81November 5, 2015 11:06 PM

R81 = the anti-meme King / Queen

by Anonymousreply 82November 5, 2015 11:08 PM

Gays and Lesbian need to divorce themselves from formal trans groups and associations. That is not to say they don't deserve support to have dignity, but too many straight citizens and others see trans people as dressed - up gays whereby some decide to undergo surgery if they have the money. Too many assume gays/Lesbian lust at being the opposite sex. Being the opposite sex in mind and/or body is the antithesis of being gay.

by Anonymousreply 83November 5, 2015 11:32 PM

[quote]“We realized that we should have a parallel movement, but also needed to be dug into the L.G.B.T. movement,” said Mara Keisling, the executive director of the National Center for Transgender Equality. “The folks I work most closely with are all very nice, sweet people, but we had to be such hard asses. At a certain point, we said, ‘No more moving gay people ahead without trans people.’ ”

Leading trans activist flat out states that the trans movement is parasitic in nature. Not only that, but that they deliberately ride the coattails of gay rights while simultaneously having an exclusive movement of their own.

What more evidence do you want when you have this total admission.

by Anonymousreply 84November 6, 2015 12:25 AM

Join me in posting endless threads on Datalounge to change the world. We're trending! We can win this. We can banish the Ts and the SJWs.

We just need to post and post and post and post more and more threads exposing SJWs and Ts on Datalounge and we will win this thing. We will win the Internet, and with it, the world.

by Anonymousreply 85November 6, 2015 12:58 AM

Who won the world? Trans!

by Anonymousreply 86November 6, 2015 1:20 AM

R78 M2T is male-to-trans but you knew that already you just don't like to be called exactly what you are. You are not a woman. And M2Ts offend at exactly the same rate as every other man. They do NOT reduce offending after putting on women's clothing.

by Anonymousreply 87November 6, 2015 1:29 AM

Elinor Burkett put it well in her New York Times op-ed:

[quote]People who haven’t lived their whole lives as women, whether Ms. Jenner or Mr. Summers, shouldn’t get to define us. That’s something men have been doing for much too long. And as much as I recognize and endorse the right of men to throw off the mantle of maleness, they cannot stake their claim to dignity as transgender people by trampling on mine as a woman.

And the trannies went NUTS.

I'm ready to coin a new word: trans-splaining.

by Anonymousreply 88November 6, 2015 2:11 AM

r87 earned their wings with that post!!!

by Anonymousreply 89November 6, 2015 2:16 AM

Ok well if you guys are against the gender neutral bathrooms (actually everyone just ignored me but I'll discuss it amongst myself), there needs to be two kinds: female (as in born that way) bathrooms, and gender neutral bathrooms for those of us who aren't scared of men and don't want to wait in line. Do you know how fucking long the line for the women's bathroom is. I went to see a show the other week and me and my friend tried to use the restroom at intermission the line was around the fucking corner meanwhile there was literally no line for the men's room?? We were very drunk so we just decided to use the men's room and were in and out before the women's line had even budged an inch so. Something needs to be done about this. Anyway we got a few people doing double takes but we just didn't make eye contact and moved at a swift pace and it was all fine. I understand the need for women who are more fearful and in situations like if you're alone and in a not very crowded place (in that circumstance I wouldn't want to use a bathroom with men in it either). So this is my proposal (female and gender neutral bathrooms).

by Anonymousreply 90November 6, 2015 3:26 AM

OK. So I've read all the posts since the one I made at R65.

I'm still waiting for someone to post research and evidence that supports the dire consequences you predict will occur when gender identify is included in human rights ordinances has actually occurred in the 13 states that have existing human rights ordinances including gender identity.

Can't do it, huh?

Actually any rational thought and supported facts would be a refreshing addition to this never ending stream of bigotry and hatred,

Do you realize you are making the same arguments the far right made in Texas? Think about it.

by Anonymousreply 91November 6, 2015 7:29 AM

Here is a simple solution.

Let's just stop using the T from now on.

It's LGB. Fuck the rest of the crazies who are dragging us down with their insanity.

Transgender issues have nothing to do with the LGB peoples and never ever will.

by Anonymousreply 92November 6, 2015 7:58 AM

I've dropped the T.

For me, it's LGB.

by Anonymousreply 93November 6, 2015 8:03 AM

Good work R93.

LGB. It sounds more simple and focussed too.

by Anonymousreply 94November 6, 2015 8:33 AM

How fucking stupid does a group have to be to push for bathroom rights? Out of all the things transgenders can fight for. If you are a convincing looking tranny, you can go into any female bathroom unnoticed. It is not as if there is a genital check at the door. Jesus Christ.

by Anonymousreply 95November 6, 2015 8:33 AM

[quote]I have no problem with women who identify as men in the women's restroom.

I don't think most people have a problem with it, because there aren't any examples of trans men assaulting men in restrooms. Well, if there are examples, please link -- I searched and could find none.

About 20 years ago Richard Jeni had a whole routine about how men couldn't go into a women's bathroom and that was as it should be, but at a bar on the weekends there was always some drunk girl who ended up in the men's, and she got "a hero's welcome." It's always been that way in my personal experience. Men don't really care, or think it's funny.

I wish trans activists would focus more on the men in the men's rooms not beating trans people up. THAT seems like it's the real problem.

by Anonymousreply 96November 6, 2015 9:56 AM

Brava r96. I've yet to hear one M2T say a word about equal pay, abortion rights, employment disparity etc. Nope, it's all about them evil wimmins and their pesky right to safety. About the men who are the predators? Not a word.

by Anonymousreply 97November 6, 2015 10:06 AM

[quote]I'm still waiting for someone to post research and evidence that supports the dire consequences you predict will occur when gender identify is included in human rights ordinances has actually occurred in the 13 states that have existing human rights ordinances including gender identity.

Are you the guy who said in another thread that stats showed there had been no increase in crime in those 13 states since the ordinances were passed? Because you never answered my question: where ARE those stats that show no increase in crime?

I looked a few things up. Minnesota laws passed in 1993. Crime stats showed over a 4% increase in rape for 1994-1995. Then there were plateaus or decreases until 2000, when it increased again by 10%, and kept increasing for the remaining years until 2004, the last year of the statewide summary.

One could extrapolate that, given an increase in crime, there is an increase in transgender criminals. There are no stats that are granular enough to show crimes committed by trans persons. I know, I've tried looking them up before -- that "50,000 trans women were murdered by TERFS" claim is based on the idea that 50K imprisoned trans women died because a study from the late 1980s meant the US treated trans people poorly in jail. There are NO STATS to back that up because there are almost no stats about trans populations.

That's a problem, of course. There needs to be research.

The fact that there IS NO RESEARCH does not somehow magically prove your claims. If you want to get right down to it, the stats aren't really in your favor here, anyway, at least not in MN.

If you make the claim that crime has decreased or remained the same in those 13 states, YOU need to provide the proof.

by Anonymousreply 98November 6, 2015 10:10 AM

* Then there were plateaus or decreases until 2000 [bold]of crimes overall, not just rape[/bold]

Sorry, needed to clarify that. The stats are online though so you can see for yourself.

by Anonymousreply 99November 6, 2015 10:11 AM

Unfortunately Ts are here to stay . Just see the article in joemygod. Most of LGB people want T to remain in inside LGBT group. These gay people are truly delusional . Just read the comment in this article

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by Anonymousreply 100November 6, 2015 2:52 PM

Perhaps if committed gays, at your own bars, would stop attending drag shows and tossing kisses and dollars at "Ts", and glorifying their ridiculous lip syncs as some kind of real talent, then perhaps some of the message would get across. You can't have it both ways.

Stick with the male go-go dancers instead. Just my humble observation.

by Anonymousreply 101November 6, 2015 3:02 PM

R101 drag queens aren't trans. Trans hate drag queens. They say a hundreds of years tradition of men dressed as exaggerated versions of women is specifically mocking trans. Not women, of course, because only trans get to be offended. Frequently.

by Anonymousreply 102November 6, 2015 3:39 PM

R101, drag queens have been part of gay culture for years. Despite what the trans say, the drag queens are actually the ones who fought the police at Stonewall. Drag queens have paved the way for the rights we have today. They deserve respect, not some idiot trans saying they are offensive.

by Anonymousreply 103November 6, 2015 4:07 PM

Drag queens mock gender and have fun with it. They know gender for what it us: performance, mannerisms, costumes, choices anyone can make as it suits them.

Trans worship gender. They fetishise it, and they reduce sex to its conservative gender norm. The male trannies believe 'woman' = pumps and lipgloss, the females think 'male' = buzz cut and leather.

The true radicals in the area of gender are gay men and women who accept their bodies, love being gay, and dress and speak as they damn well please.

by Anonymousreply 104November 6, 2015 4:11 PM

R98 - Let's review. The claim opponents to HERO made and many have made here is there will be dire consequences from including gender equity in human rights ordinances. Those consequences will be seen in sexual predators have unfettered access to women's bathrooms and locker rooms.

You have used a tactic that I have been continually suggesting the DROP THE T folks used. Actually two tactics. One insist your opponents prove your speculation isn't true rather than you prove it is true. Two you have referred to a reliable source but selectively left out important information. For example the changes in the definition of rape/assault. Also the percentage of sexual assaults committed by people the victim knew.

You did a great job about lying about the statistics that support the conclusion that including gender identity causes an increase in sexual assaults and then you you shame me for my position that statistics don't support the conclusion. See how magical that is?

Now you have a slight problem. You need to get a document that supports your lies on the web so it shows up on a google search about Minnesota and sexual assaults. Unfortunately for you right now the only document that shows up is the actual report. You don't want that - because the actual report shows you aren't telling the truth. Or at the very least bending the truth to the point of breaking.

That is why you need groups like the Family Research Council to work with you. Or at least follow their lead. Craft a digital strategy that gets your spin (nice word for lies) at the top of a google search.

I do have to give you credit. You've done an excellent job of misinterpreting the data. If the DROP THE T doesn't work out you may have a future with climate change deniers or denying racist bias in law enforcement.

by Anonymousreply 105November 8, 2015 5:10 AM

Why have the DL powers that be closed every single thread to do with dropping the T and the resultant petition???

by Anonymousreply 106November 8, 2015 5:17 AM

R105 = what a loon! Hahaha

by Anonymousreply 107November 8, 2015 5:25 AM

R105- I hate loons OK that's not true. Usually I date them if they have a sweet ass and big cock. Do you have either of those? Also are you fat? I like a fit fat , but not if you are all fat. Even if you have a big cock. Also I'm not into white dudes who stink of privilege. Do you?

by Anonymousreply 108November 8, 2015 6:13 AM

So any updates on the DTT petition?!?!

by Anonymousreply 109November 8, 2015 5:43 PM

[quote]The claim opponents to HERO made and many have made here is there will be dire consequences from including gender equity in human rights ordinances.

So we have to be patient and wait until girls and women are flashed, harassed, assaulted or raped because of males in their restrooms.

Of course, as with the transwoman who used a hatchet in SF, many of these people are reported in the news as being "women." And flashing and harassment doesn't always make the news much less get reported by police. And now, I guess, it's legal in some places for bio males to expose their "feminine penises" in lockerrooms. So if it's legal, it wouldn't be recorded or make news.

But, yes, let's all wait until we have the dire consequences that will prove you wrong. It's just a girl or woman who would be victimized. Who cares about them? They are now third-class citizens: males, transfemales and then lastly, bio females.

by Anonymousreply 110November 8, 2015 6:10 PM

Caitlyn is our Joan of Arc. She will lead us to our rightful place. We will overcome the prejudice. Ts' shall bring passion, insight, and new standards for the upcoming era of enlightenment. We will accept the gays and Lesbian who feel they too can shed their chains, and find their new freedoms in body, mind, spirit, attire and accessories. Make our society pay reparations to us for past ills. The dawn is here! Come aboard.

by Anonymousreply 111November 8, 2015 7:37 PM

LOL r111 "MS" Caityln now says it does not feel like a woman!!! google

by Anonymousreply 112November 8, 2015 10:18 PM

OP, elaborate, why would your rights be taken away?

by Anonymousreply 113August 22, 2020 10:55 PM

And 5 years later...

by Anonymousreply 114August 22, 2020 10:59 PM

R113 is a fucking tool.

by Anonymousreply 115August 22, 2020 11:42 PM
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