What's IQ of gay men who believe straight men perform in "gay for pay" porn?

This so stupid. Tons of guys in gay porn identify as straight, even away from the camera in their private lives.

Now whether you would consider them straight is completely up to you.

What's the IQ of R1?

When it comes to sex, IQ just doesn't apply.

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The high-IQ people are appalled by the low-IQ mistake in the thread title.

R2, well I gave the only honest answer to this "debate" so that is up to you. But really, the debate is stupid. I don't consider most of them straight either, but that is what they consider themselves.

My pole...poll...needs polishing.

OP can rail against human nature with his tiny little fists all he wants.

But science shows that most people are potentially bisexual, though most are more strongly oriented to one gender than both.

That means some women-oriented men, who prefer and usually have sex with females, will turn to gay sex for money, curiosity or attraction.

Call them bisexual, but don't act like bisexuals are equal or equally attracted to both genders -- few of them are.

Rent boys and gay-for-pay hustlers are as old as recorded history. Modern, gay chauvinism won't ever change that.

Of course many of them live their lives outside of porn as a straight male....

However that doesn't make them any less bisexual/homosexual. Deep down they know the real truth.

Well, R8, I asked if openly gay men had straight sex regularly in their daily lives and the results claim otherwise. But, one poster did put it interestingly: he said that heterosexuality appears to be flexible while homosexuality is not. I'm not surprised by these results.

And you and that poster are ignorant, r10.

You don't get to just "appear" facts from your desires. You have to prove it scientifically with evidence and expertise.

Most people are potentially bisexual. That's what science says. Here's a good start, but you have a LOT of reading to do and listening to others' anecdotes, not just your chauvinist, self-righteous judgements:

I'm not bisexual at all. I'm gay. So, I'm not part of the "most" crowd, I guess.

I wonder when you would change your tune if you were as hot as these guys and offered as much money as they are.

What? ^^ what do you mean?

That Kinsey shit is so dated and homophobic. Putting a point system on how homosexual I am. So offensive. I can see some desperate, insecure gay weirdo saying, "I'm almost straight!"

r14 thinks porn stars and hustlers work for free.

r15 has yet to publish his world-renowned, scientific study. Life is just whatever he thinks.

And my time bothering with these dishonest idiots is over.

R1 is correct.

Which "these guys," R13?

[quote]and offered as much money as they are

Puh-leeze, go somewhere else with this bullshit. Porn stars barely make much money these days.

And why does it even matter?

The results of this poll are relieving.

Kinsey scale homophobic garbage.

Is homophobic garbage.

My pole...poll...needs attention.

[quote] I am more than my sexual orientation.

So man gay and bi men consumed with their sexuality use this tired line. If you were actually "more than your sexual orientation, you wouldn't go to great lengths to lie and conceal who you are. Be a man, stop being a pussy, ironically a gay stereotype.

Why are people so obsessed with this topic? Who cares if they are gay, bi, straight? They are in porn.

My pole....poll...needs to votes.

My pole....poll...needs attention.

That was my first take, too, R5.

Average. Sometimes they're faking their straightness (cf Pavel Novotny and that bearded blackmailer) but it does happen. Some G4Ps have even been arrested for (straight) rape after leaving porn. And I've correctly identified some performers as G4P even before getting to know about them based just on how bad their performance is.

Not the performers, R30. You. What is your IQ since you believe gay for pay porn is real and believe that straight males do work in gay porn. Is your IQ high, average or low?

Like I said, R31, it's a mixed picture. Some guys are pretending to be non-gay; but some others may be telling the truth, based not just on what is known about their personal (and criminal) lives but also on their piss poor performance.

Johnny Rapid can be sodomized on camera forever. But no truly gay guy solicits a 14-year-old girl for a threesome with his girlfriend.

I can't determine if you have a high IQ, average IQ or low IQ R32. Just come out tell me your IQ and be sure to vote at the top.

I guess I have an average IQ, because I take a middle-of-the-road position; on the one hand, I believe some G4Ps, such as Johnny Rapid, are really non-gay while others (such as Pavel Novotny) are really all about the cock.

When a considerable bunch of people tell the same lie it becomes true.

Who cares if they are gay or gay for pay. It's porn.

He didn't do exactly what the SJWs wanted. Here's the new fucking reality.

Having worked in the porn world, I can tell you that there are in fact straight guys who do gay porn. I've asked them why they do it, and in most cases it's that either they need the money, or they want to experiment without having to go full on gay. Many of them just have extraordinarily high sex drives and it doesn't matter which hole they fuck, but societal norms encourage them to live a straight life. And, let's face it, when you have someone willing to negotiate the parameters of a scene for you, it becomes a lot easier to engage in gay sex, and then you walk away from it, back to culturally accepted behavior, and were it not for the permanent recording that exists proving otherwise, a lot more straight guys would be far more willing.

That said, truly straight guys doing gay porn are rare, and I've seen more than a few who started out straight and ended up coming out.

[quote]or they want to experiment without having to go full on gay

If you want to experiment with guys, you aren't really straight. It's not complicated. But yes, a lot call themselves straight.

Experimenting when you're over 20 is definitely not heterosexuality.

R38 "Many of them just have extraordinarily high sex drives and it doesn't matter which hole they fuck".

That simply is an absurd argument. If there are heterosexual men who don't care about the gender of the onwer of the hole then by default the same phenomenin should be obserbed among gay guys, but that's not the case.

If you being a heterosexual man think of and even search for men to fuck then you are not heterosexual, call it bisexuality in the case there is still attraction to females coexisting with this behaviour.

These absurd justifications simply don't work anymore.

You're absolutely right, R41. But, there are a ton of gay men who love gay for pay porn. Just look at the threads on this site. The most popular threads on this site are the sean cody or corbin fisher threads. They average tens of thousands of views and there are countless threads, with the same xception of the anti-transgender threads that currently doninate this site.

It depends on how you define straight, R39. I once hired an incredibly handsome, built guy who was willing to do a solo scene, but had to bring in a female cameraman because another guy in the room and he couldn't even get hard. Conversely, I hired a married, with children, guy who was so excited to get a dick up his ass that he came almost instantly. Both of them identified as straight. Neither of them had any experience with men prior to my casting call (as far as they were willing to admit). And here's where it gets hard to understand: this was the same guy in both accounts, just a few months apart. So what I'm saying is that even guys who identify as completely straight -- to the point of erectile disfunction in the company of men -- can go from one end of the spectrum to the other.

But R41, to call what I said absurd and then suggest that gay guys won't fuck women is, well.. absurd. I've also known tons of guys who identify as gay but still have sex with women. Regularly. And even marry them, to boot.

I won't name names, but one of the most popular gay porn stars working today brought his girlfriend with him to a shoot I did years ago. She sat in my office and did homework while we shot the scene. She met the guys who fucked her boyfriend. She didn't want to watch (which was good, I wouldn't have let her, and in fact, I was uncomfortable that she was even there, but when you have a scene scheduled, everyone shows up ready to go, and that's the only obstacle, you learn to deal), but afterward we all went out to dinner and had a pleasant meal.

Making porn has taught me a lot, including that we are too hung up on identity.

You're hung up on identity too R43. You apparently dont hire openly gay men. But, who knows if you're even telling the truth.

How do you get that, R43? In the hundreds of scenes I've shot, most were with openly gay men. Quite a few played the straight guy going gay for money game; it increases their hourly rate. Some really identified as straight. I didn't care so long as they performed, because that's what porn is, a performance.

Sorry, R45 was in reply to R44.

Hundreds of scenes? And, you can't say where you worked or link to any of your scenes? Is it a big secret?

No, I left the porn world and put it behind me. I sold my company and signed a nondisclosure agreement, so even if I wanted to, I couldn't reveal it. I'd be sued in a nanosecond. I'm fortunate that I was good enough to sell and the new owners want to keep that fantasy going.

The "I don't care about the whole I fuck" is one of those super old answers you hear from men who cannot help feeling attraction to men but are afraid of acknowledging the feeling. Instead, they give in to the attrcation because they cannot help it for all the years they have repress it but sitting in a chair and think about the feeling and finally accept they like men is somethign that scares them a lot. R43

Having sex for money allows them maintain the illusion of a heterosexual identity. If they had sex with men out of pure attraction or feelings then they would see their illusion of heterosexulity fall apart.

[quote] I left the porn world and put it behind me. I sold my company and signed a nondisclosure agreement, so even if I wanted to, I couldn't reveal it.

LOL. Oh come on, R48. How on earth is anybody supposed to believe you. I mean, its porn. You are clearly not telling the truth.

it's porn...

This is an old documentary, but if you go to about 26:25 there is an explanation by the male actor as to how he feels about doing gay porn even though he identifies as straight. Sadly, he killed himself a few years later. Various reports said he had a meth problem and felt very conflicted about his job.

The guy who killed himself in the video was obviously gay, hated himself and killed himself over it. He used too because of it. This is not new.

Indeed, R49. Working in gay porn is like being a bartender in that respect; you're called on to be a psychologist without any training, so just listening and offering support gets you from point A to B.

Really, R50? You don't think that maintaining the fantasy is a thing? When you build a company around an identity (one that I fully admit I completely made up), it has value. You won't read about my company being sold, and you wouldn't believe me even if I told, because the value of it was in the name and the fantasy. I'm not claiming to be Sean Cody or anyone at that level. If I'd built his company, I'd still be doing it. But he and I are one of the few that were able to sell our companies in a market that doesn't value content of this nature (or perhaps you can tell me the last time you paid to watch porn).

But I'm happy to be out of porn and put it all behind me. Too much drama, too many flakes, and too much risk for the reward.

R54, that's convenient.

Well what can I say, R55? I sold my little porn empire for enough to launch a new business and not have to worry about how I was going to make the house payments for a little while. In fact, I'm coming up on an important milestone in starting any new business, lasting a couple of years without going bankrupt. The only reason I'm posting here today is that it's Veterans Day and the one employee I've hired for the new biz so far is an Iraq vet. I felt I had to close today to show him some respect. And I'm tired myself. Working 7 days a week takes a toll after a while.

Common sense suggests that r32 is correct. While straight men in gay porn are probably pretty rare, I'm sure a few exist. If they need or want the money badly enough, people will do all manner of things—sexually and otherwise—that they don't enjoy or find appealing. Why would gay porn be the exception?

Str8 guys perform in G4P porn like they perform in prison with other inmates.

You queens are mighty invested in this. It is porn. Who cares?

You care, R59. That's why you posted.

It matters in the sense that homosexuality is usually vilified because of what people call "Gay For Pay" R59

The practice called G4P is common in bodybuilding. If you read about the topic on forums you will see that people depict homosexual men as the bad guys who are stalking and abusing the poor bodybuilder to make him do things that are against their "heterosexuality".

I'm sure the same vilification of homosexual men and homosexuality occurs in gay porn from men who identify as heterosexual and enter the industry.

That is so true, R61. Forums like bodybuilding.com is a perfect example of what you describe. How is described it exactly correct, "gay men as the stalker abusing the innocent heterosexual". And, that's probably exactly what happens on that seancody porn site as well.

Here's an article on gay for pay in bodybuilding.

[quote]Truth be told, many rich gay men are sponsoring bodybuilding events and athletes. It should not be a surprise that homosexual men are interested in paying for sex with bodybuilders. It happens very often, but since it’s not marketable all activity remains hidden from the unaware public eye. Bodybuilders are supposed to represent strength and masculinity – being gay does not quite fit the definition.

Here is a great example of what R61 describes...gay men being the "boogeymen" in gay for pay. Nothing but homophobia in this forum. Read the poster's nickname too.

The article exposes strength masculinity as dettached from male homosexuality. Obviously the dilusion of a heterosexual man who thinks strength and masculinity are heterosexual characteristics exclusively, pff!

Also, bodybuilding is not a sport but a beauty pageant. It is about muscular beauty. Nature made muscles to be sexually attractive and pleasing . Because of this and the fact that bodybuilders need to compete almost naked and hit suggestive poses and perform suggestive posing routines the activity is inherently erotic.

One should never forget that one of the main motivations for bodybuilders to become bodybuilders is to enhance their sexual attractiveness through muscle development. For many of them competing in bodybuilding is also sexually stimulating.

Bodybuilding is all about sex, hat theycall "g4p" is only one aspect of it all.

While I was at bodybuilding.com, I came across this thread about gay marriage. I mean, it's just hate. Just pure, unadulterated hate.

Exactly, R65.

It is no wonder that bodybuilding fans tend to be very insecure men, usually men under 30 with all sort of fears regarding what scapes heterosexuality.

They see homosexual men as monsters hungry for sexy muscle men. Bodybuilders then are poor defenseless creeatures who are forced to do sexual stuff for other men. Poor little bodybuilders, they are so innocent...

No one ever mentions and discusses the fact that heterosexual prostitution also exists in bodybuilding.

Ironically, most bodybuilders who do the G4P thing and even those who don't do it are not as sexually insecure as the fans.

So true, R68. So very true.

G4P definitely gives off that gay male predatorial vibe that gay men are plagued with.

That's exactly the word "predatorial". That's how bodybuilding fans portray gay men.

What about drug addiction? I have no doubt straight men with serious drug habits will engage in gay sex for money and/or dope

The OP's question is useless and judgmental. Ultimately, porn is performance art. The actors are there to act and they can declare their "porn persona" in however way they or the studios wish. Filming porn is never about the pleasure of the performers involved and if you have ever seen a real life porn shoot you would understand why (frequent breaks to rearrange angles and equipment, the long hours needed for each scene). The performers doesn't have to be into each other (regardless of gender) at all as long as they can get it up (drugs) and cum (pure physical response). For any clear-eyed porn actor, they know it is a job, nothing more.

As for whether these performers are actually gay or bi or whatever in the Kinsey Scale, unless you know the actor himself on the personal level, you might never know. We already know some studios describe gay actors as straight to drum up the "straight guy" appeal (Corbin Fisher, i am looking at you). They are basically cloaked in a persona not unlike pro wrestlers or actors. We don't expect Dwayne Johnson to act like The Rock when he gets off the WWE show, and we don't question non porn straight actors when they get roles playing gay (or the other way around) , right?

What's the I.Q. of queens who believe every gay porn performer prefers men just because they repeat it to themselves every day?

R73 and R74, did you vote your IQ at the top? Please tell us your IQ as well.

There ARE gay-oriented, bisexual men with high sex drives that DO fuck women for fun long after they come out and identify as "gay" for the sake of simplicity, r41!

Jason Sechrest, Jeremy Hall and Spencer Reed are just three famous, gay-identified and oriented men who still swing the other way for fun. I know a few non-famous guys like that, too.

And we've already proven and discussed the straight-for-pay porn stars on DL to death. Stop projecting your ignorance and self-righteous, self-serving beliefs. You don't determine nature or matters of fact.

Who are the "straight for pay" porn stars?

Why is DL so obsessed with the notion that one is either straight or gay with no gray area in between?

I want to know who these "straight for pay" porn stars are.

R78: it's just the messy bottoms & fundies who push that notion

R78-- fundies? As in Xtian fundies or Gay fundies?

R81: both...

Gay fundies think everyone is gay

Religious fundies think everyone is either good (hetero believers) or bad (everyone else). They do not differentiate between gay, bi, pan, fluid, queer, or trans

Gotcha. Yeah, gay fundies make me crazy. I sort of understand that they had to be like that back in the day, but their whole lives are defined by being gay as if that were the only interesting thing about them.

R83: what drives me nuts is how they are just like the religious fundies when it comes to thinking they own other people's sexuality and get to set the rules.

The horseshoe effect in full effect

Who are the "straight for pay" porn stars?

Don't forget, there's a shiny brass ring for the gay man who bags a "straight" man. That dream, that quest. If you're watching "straight" men do gay porn, it increases the excitement.

If they don't have gayvoice then don't ask too many questions and just enjoy the porn.

[quote]There ARE gay-oriented, bisexual men with high sex drives that DO fuck women for fun long after they come out and identify as "gay" for the sake of simplicity, [R41]! Jason Sechrest, Jeremy Hall and Spencer Reed are just three famous, gay-identified and oriented men who still swing the other way for fun. I know a few non-famous guys like that, too.

'identify as "gay" for the sake of simplicity', what does that mean? I don't get people who complain about how 'limiting' homosexuality is but still won't identify as bisexual.

Saying so DOES make it so!

Therefore, I identify as 23.

What's the IQ of gay men who ask if a gay porn star is straight? I read this a lot on this site. LOL.

It's okay if you don't suck...

What's okay?

Low.

Definitely higher than the average IQ of those who think porn is real and therefore the sexuality of the performers has any relevance...

Low.

gullible

Bump

Please take my poll!

I voted for "high" but that's because I've encountered a lot of gay men who told me how they believe that men in gay/bisexual pr0n actually are "straight" or some told me how they know it will never happen but that they fantasize about being with a real hetero/straight guy.

very low

Exceptionally low.

It’s a myth

So low that I often wonder how they tie their shoelaces OP. Probably their carer does it for them.

There are some porn star who was underpaid in straight porn so he did gay porn. It hardly matter who you fuck when you are fucking 24/7 as a job. You won't even like that anymore. You just want to get it over with. If fucking a man paid you triple, why not then?

R104 sounds very low wit