INCEST -- Is it moral or immoral??? What are your views???

I guess if two consenting adults who happen to be blood relatives want to fuck each other it's their right to do that., as long as they don't have children. There was some couple, a brother and a sister, I can't remember their names. But there was an Esquire article about them; they fell in love and had not one, not two, but FOUR children together. They were both eventually jailed. I think the judge said he didn't care what they did, as long as they didn't keep having children. I don't know what happened to them. I wonder if they got out and continued to live together like a husband and wife. Incest...yech!

It's moral if the guys are HOT, OP.

And gay and on camera and of close enough ethnicity for me to believe they are indeed stepdad and stepson because they really don't look that much alike and why is my Visa card being denied?

Ah, yes, the Middle East. Eternal warring, beheadings, mutilations of young girls, tossings of gay men from rooftops, slaughters that lead to refugee crises for the rest of the world, and batshit fundamentalism.

Yeah. Let's do as they do in the Middle East, shall we?

We approve.

[quote] Now... if that is the only concern that would make incest immoral,

Genetic abnormality is not the only concern about incest. Incest had been considered immoral among many civilizations for thousands of years because the unit of the immediate family is important. Parents who have sex with children are predatory and are seen as corrupting their children. Brothers might overpower sisters and take sexual advantage of them. If this happened in every family, then young women would not be virgins when they married their husband and virginity was required by many civilizations.

Also, a girl could be sexually abused by her father and brothers and have children who would be further abused by males in the family. There had to be rules to prevent men from being allowed to take advantage of younger, smaller females in their family or it would be a free for all with girls becominng family sex slaves.

Which is not to say every civilization forbade incest. Egyptian pharaohs married their sisters. In a way, this made sense because no other man was good enough for the daughter of a pharaoh except another pharaoh. In some societies, the sisters of rulers never married because there was no one of a suitably royal enough rank to be a husband. The daughters of tsars were not allowed to marry in early Russian history. They spent their lives in the household terem or they went to live in convents.

If females were impregmated by fathers or brothers, they would never be married off and this was seen as disastrous. Girls were supposed to be married off -- one less mouth to feed in the household

I remember seeing a story about male twin porn stars that had anal and oral sex on camera. They also were in a committed relationship off camera, too! I looked them up.

The point is, if we don't restrict people with genetic disorders from having kids, why should we restrict close relatives from having kids?

That's not to say we shouldn't be concerned risks of birth defects with brothers and sisters having kids.

But I don't think people should be jailed for incest.

I do think a line should be drawn between parents and children or uncles and nieces, anything where a relationship has an authority figure, since the father can potentially groom the daughter to be in a sexual relationship with him when she's older.

But a brother and sister who are consenting adults? That's their business.

[quote]Egyptian pharaohs married their sisters.

And in Westoros.

As a victim of incest by my older brother I find this thread gross. It fucks you up mentally.

There are SOOO many reasons incest needs to stay illicit. They may not persuade rigid libertarians, but they are compelling from a practical, common-sense POV:

- Mentally normal siblings who are brought up together do not voluntarily engage in incest. This was demonstrated by those Israeli kibbutz studies years ago: kids who are brought up living together between the ages of about 4 and 9 will never be sexually attracted to each other. So incest within an immediate family is a sign of either abuse of power by an older person, or severe mental abnormality

- Those children of incest, who are overwhelmingly likely to be genetically abnormal, are not just a problem for the parents, but also for society as a whole, which has to subsidize their lifelong medical and social expenses. Not to mention the poor kids themselves. (And yes, I believe that whenever it's known in advance that a person or a couple will produce severely disabled offspring, they should be strongly discouraged from reproducing.)

- genetic defects are out of control in Gulf Arab countries. I have friends who work there and tell me it's unbelievable -- families with six kids where three are severely ill. General health among the native Gulf Arabs is really poor, in fact, not just from the incest but from things like an epidemic of diabetes and obesity.

And regarding permitted incest, check out a picture of Carlos II of Spain to see where a couple of generations of inbreeding leads.

I know this is not directly related to the thread topic, but this was my best opportunity to vent amongst hopefully like-minded bitches.

About 25 years ago, a neighbor girl got knocked up at 16. She had the baby, which had severe mental and physical disabilities. This child was very sweet, but will need care for the rest of her life. And what did this wise teenage mother decide to do? Two years later, she had twins from the very same father! Of course, they are lifetime special needs kids as well. Fast forward to the present. I just found out this genius is pregnant again! Sadly, I do not have any high hopes for this poor infant. Just because you could does not mean you should.

Here's the real deal on little monsters. In a brother/sister pairing it's about a .25 probability that serious genetic recessives will be evident.

Now the other thing - in the general population - it's relatively difficult to get pregnant and carry to term. A lot of potential little monsters spontaneously abort themselves while they are still in the blastocyst stage.

Well, set up the scene - have we been drinking?

Really? Using behaviors in the Middle East, where people look and behave like cavemen, as a defense of incest?!

I'd argue one of the main reasons incest is immoral is because non-sexual relationships are essential to our mental health. We need people in our lives who care about us, not because they're sexually attracted to us, but because we share an unbreakeable bond. My parents and siblings drive me fucking nuts, but at the end of the day, I'm always have their back.

I wouldn’t personally do it, but I think it’s not such a big deal with two men, since there is no possibility of procreating.

In Louis Malle's MURMUR OF THE HEART (71) Italian MILF-y mother initiating 14 year-old gawky son is depicted as a tender and lovely thing. Son goes out and gets himself laid the same night to a girl his own age.

With all the arguments against incest centered around inbreeding what is stopping same-sex incest like between brothers or dad/son that do not carry those risk?

What if it’s between a father and daughter with superior genes? Like, the best genes. A lot of people say the best genes.

R20, we could always start with basic decency and see where it leads the conversation.

[quote]I remember seeing a story about male twin porn stars that had anal and oral sex on camera. They also were in a committed relationship off camera, too! I looked them up.

These two sentences just scream well adjusted.

A paternal 1st cousin of mine, who could have and should have been a supermodel when it was a real thing, ended up marrying an asshole who never told her that he was a product of incest.

She had two clinically retarded children who will require care for the rest of their lives, and kinda gave her a life she wanted, minus having children whom are not mentally disabled.

The first boy did not physically present as mentally handicapped until it became clear that he was not reaching normal and expected milestones as a kid, and by that time, she was already pregnant with the second kid.

The husband was not physically nor mentally disabled, surprisingly enough, but even worse, he was a deceptive grifter who conned someone out of an experience that became unnecessary and was totally unexpected, because he conned my cousin into believing he loved her, didn’t disclose his genetic genealogy and the risks and known problem that such a history might pose for my cousin and her opportunity to say ,”No kids”, all for a Green Card.

The asshole had kids and an entire family, back at his country of origin, by the way. Also handicapped kids, with a legal wife, who actually believed he was in the US getting an engineering degree. The one who was getting the engineering degree was my other cousin, Dominick.

Incest is not normal nor is it a healthy way to establish and develop a normal and independent sexual-socio self, or the perception of that self. It is not a necessary practice in order to keep the human species going. We have long been past this.

Also, in present day, modern societies, as in for hundreds of years past, it is usually almost ALWAYS exploitative to someone or a group of someones, usually CHILDREN & GIRLS, and as exhibited in my poor cousin’s marriage and pursuit of becoming a mother, can ruin a total stranger’s life, if that stranger procreates with someone who themselves, are a byproduct of incest.

It matters not, whether or not the child who is a product of incest knows he or she is. What matters is that he or she is born into a society that has made it socially and legally unacceptable, due to very good and justified reasons, that have nothing to do with religious beliefs or morality, & those reasons are based on the study of genetics and DNA. The human species would not have survived or evolved, if incest were still acceptable socially and legally. It is abusive and ethically wrong to knowingly pursue a sexual relationship with a relative, kids or no kids as a result.

So yes. Incest is wrong as is the concept of eugenics, when used for creating a “master” race of people who all look the same. Eventually, that “master” race while perhaps not incestuous, will also confront problems rooted in the practice of only procreating with people who live in a certain geographic area, who look like alike in eye color and hair color, height, skin pigmentation, and who share similar intelligence, etc.

The optimal and desired results when considering genetics, race, intelligence, for me, and qualified experts, is resilience and proliferation through diversity and progeny resulting through that diversity. Ever wish you were taller, more athletic, smarter, had thicker hair, or stronger tooth enamel? Or maybe a bigger penis or didn’t sunburn so easily, making you susceptible to skin cancer? Or how about hailing from a family of drunks, and generationally so? It’s not a moral issue or even an anomaly, if you or your children, also become addicted, or even a surprise.

Ever consider how life would have been a bit easier if any of these traits had been in your genetic makeup or as importantly, had not been?

Well, perhaps if your ancestors and/or parents weren’t cousins or had married outside of their villages or townships, you would not have had these issues or would have been taller, or not had 10 cavities by the time you were 12.

Incest is not OK, and is not necessary and weakens the genetic pool, when practiced, for any reason.

NO, NOPE NEVER.

Because it is probably going to fuck you up emotionally.

It's neither moral or immoral . . . it's fun!

The thought makes my skin crawl.

R25, if someone is knowingly pursuing a sexual relationship with a relative, the emotional instability and damage is likely pre existing to the idea of the possible sexual relationship or consummation of that idea, whether consensual or not, by both parties or one, under any social contact or context, be it socially acceptable and a legal marriage between cousins, or when under highly dysfunctional, and sexually abusive, exploitative behaviors between siblings or parent-child, etc. This is true when children are not a byproduct of incest, yet especially true when they are. Almost all of us have it somewhere in our family tree, unfortunately. However, the closer it is to you, the bigger the chance that it might or sometimes not, determine the genetic makeup of your children, even when marrying outside of your family.

Study birth defects in non polluted, non industrialized countries or geographic regions, where religious beliefs heavily influence societies to engage in the acceptance of marrying a relative, when there’s no one else to marry that is not a relative, like areas in the Middle East. Kids are born with blood disorders, clef palates, eye disease or disorders, improper formation or complete formation of limbs, dental problems, missing fingers and toes or extra fingers and toes.

There are university libraries via websites that have photographic evidence of how this is still prevalent in Muslim communities in the Middle East, and that unfortunately, catalogue these photographs as studies in DNA and the study of rare genetic anomalies, disfigurement, and deformities, that are not survivable by the developing fetus, or the baby is born, sourcing just a few hours to days, before dying.

That’s just from girls being forced to marry their uncles or cousins, and while rare, sometimes, even a brother.

Religion is the problem, as are geographic locations, however, as soon as you redistribute a Muslim population into Europe or North America, the indices of birth rates and birth defects within that once concentrated population, pretty much disappears.

I understand the variables behind it, yet I also understand why it occurred where they originally proliferated, so environment DOES overcome genetics and religious beliefs, in the end, explaining why it occurs in isolated areas, within rural and agricultural strips, rather than in densely populated cities, despite religious beliefs and adherence to those beliefs, trans generationally.

Nothing hotter than dad/adult son... as long as it's not *my* dad, yuck.

Two adults brothers having sex is hot.

twincest is hot too

Shut up OP, you sealioning pervert troll.

The thing about incest is that it's basically NEVER entered into by consenting adults. In 99.99999999% of cases there's a power imbalance, physical or emotional abuse, or flat-out rape, usually when at least partner is too young to make consent, or resist.

Anyone who thinks that real-life incest involves family members expressing love of their own free will has seen too much porn. In real life it's child rape, older siblings abusing younger ones, children tolerating abuse because they have no place to go or they're desperate for some parental approval, kids being told that rape is an expression of love, etc. It's horrible, a violation of everything that a family should offer in the way of love.

R30/R31 good to know, thanks for sharing.

I really don't care, do u? Their cocks and their cunts.

First-cousin relationships are not "incestuous," and historically have not been suspect in most of the world.

No thank you.

R12 I am so sorry for what was done to you. I hope therapy has helped somehow.

This is truly none of my business, so please don't feel pressure to respond, but not having met anybody who was raped within their family, I wanted to ask what the issues were that you had to deal with in the aftermath. I hear a lot of it has to do with trust... The loss of trusting yourself and of trusting people who were supposed to be your family base and your support system. Are there other issues that also play a part? Do you end up feeling a romantic love for the person that you then have to unlearn somehow? Are there suicidal thoughts as well?

I ask simply because whenever I read articles about this type of thing, it states that people are "left dealing with issues for the rest of their life", but it rarely goes deeper than that. I imagine it is probably very similar to being raped by anybody else or being mistreated psychologically within your family, but again I don't know. I can completely understand if you don't want to answer the question though cuz I'm sure people here will probably make stupid remarks whatever you say. But if you're willing to share I thank you and will listen respectfully.

Take care of yourself.

Who the fuck keeps bumping 2015 threads?

If cousin-cousin is good enough for Empress Sisi & Franz-Joseph, then it’s good enough for me.

Down with this sort of thing between other closer relations, though.

If you're interested in incest, get therapy.

1. There are both social and biological prohibitions against it. If you are aroused by the thought of it, it is because you are aroused at the anti-social nature of it and the general societal approbation.

2. As with any situation where an asymmetry of power exists between participants, it will always be unclear whether actual consent is even possible. Sure, someone can go along with it, but the undue influence and pressure that a family member can exert or other family members can exert of the party or parties is sufficient to make any consent dubious.

If you are knowingly engaged in a sexual relationship with a close relative, get help as your fundamental reasoning for such behavior is, by definition, flawed.

Well stated, R40.

And nope. Marrying your cousin is not ideal nor is it legal in many states and countries.

Why would someone desire this???

Queen Victoria and Prince Albert were first cousins, and their marriage produced a gene for hemophilia. Because their inbred marriage produced children with genetic defects, hemophilia was introduced into the royal gene pool of Europe and Russia, and led directly to the fall of the Romanov dynasty.

That's kind of a worst-case scenario there.

The President's "personal lawyer" was a cousin-fucker. But Rudy and Regina didn't have any incest babies, supposedly.

I don't see anything wrong with it when it comes to gay couples. It's not like two men can have disfigured babies anyway.

OFGS.

R11, Yes, and look what happened to all. Cleo VII murdered her brother, and, well, fans complained about the end of Jamie and Cersei.

I have had both non consensual sex with my father and uncles - built farmhands and cattlemen - and consensual with my brother and cousins - who were effeminate like me. The rape was brutal but I was very skilled at sex with dominant verbal tops by the time I ran away.

To be clear I growled up in Nebraska and incest was endemic. If you was an effeminate boy you got done and that was that.

From ‘82 to ‘86 I had sex with one of my male first cousins several hundred times. it started when we were 18 and ended when we were 21-22.

It was always consensual (we are just five months apart in age) there was never any coercion, physical force, nor alcohol and/or drugs involved.

Even when we were having sex 10 to 15 times a week it did not affect our primary relationship as cousins.

It ended when he joined the Army. He has not had sex with a man other than me and he has since married and had two children. We get along fine and the only time either of us ever mention it is when we are alone.

I growed up in Montana. I was very effeminate, had a very high-pitched voice, and a tiny, inferior cocklet. I was constantly assaulted by my relatives and at school. I got broke in when I was eight by my daddy. My uncles started doing it to me a little later. At school, the jocks would harass me with impunity. They would administer throat rape. I was once sodomized in full sight of the coach. The jocks fucked me up the ass, then the coach, who'd been jerking off, came over, spanked my buttox, and mounted me. Ten thrusts later he shot his wad in me, the seventh of the day. I was, of course, never allowed to cum. I was queer and WAS NOT ALLOWED TO CUM, EVER. Cumming was strictly forbidded to queer boys. The beatings, rapes, and humiliation (I had to wear my sister's gingham dress if I fucked up) only stopped when I ran away at 16. I hustled truck stops down in Idaho for a while, until makin my way to Portland.

Here in France, you can have sex with whomever you want, as long as it is not a situation of abuse or inequality. That means you cannot have sex with children, animals, the elderly, the mentally or physically handicapped, people incapacitated by alcohol or drugs, although in the last four categories, the element of coercion or abuse of power is relevant.

What I am absolutely opposed to is cousin marriage which produces severely handicapped children, a great cost to the state and taxpayer. This is especially prevalent in the UK and it is perpetuated through generations, ie, the children of married first cousins marry their first cousins.

What's all this about an insect?

Incest is wrong because it's an abnormal violation of boundaries. When sexual boundaries are broken down you get rape culture where no one's sexual boundaries are respected. People who fuck their own family members are sick and should be dropped in a lake.

Str8s fear incest between men. They fear it’s power.

I see our resident Nifty writer is back.

Welcome back! It's been a while.

I believe 21 US states have legalized marriage between cousins. Sexual abuse of children within the family is rampant. So many of my gay friends first had sex with their cousins.

Yes, incest is alive and well in the US

I think West Virginia has the highest consanguinity rates

Immoral and genetically dumb.

Can we just conclude that it’s gross and be done with this topic? In 99% of cases, it’s not consensual.

No one is being hurt by invest between to consenting adults.

The main problem is the rampant incest between father and their young daughters or brothers forcing themselves on sister—particularly in Mormon splinter group families and in other such cults

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So wait, blowing your father is wrong?

R62 no it's hot.

r63 that's what my dad says.

R57 checks out.

Not so stealth eugenics thread.

A female first cousin of mine married a male second cousin once removed.

To make it simple, the female cousin's and my grandfather was a first cousin of the husband's mother. Thus our mothers were second cousins with the husband.

My aunt and her daughter, the wife, always tried to tell everyone the couple were "something like sixth cousins," but they weren't.

They didn't have children, but only because the wife had never wanted children and had her tubes tied before she even started dating the male cousin.

But also, I can't help being drawn to real dad/son incest, as long as the son is an adult. I've never any sexual interest in my father, brother, male cousins, uncles, etc., but adult fathers/sons having sex turns me on. Usually they are clearly actors, even some of the amateur ones, but sometimes you can just tell. They look too much alike or they have identical body shapes or body-hair patterns, and the setting is clearly their trashy home, not a film set.

Incest is immoral.

Eugenics is just smart.

Incest is just bad on a lot of levels. The obvious issue of inbreeding - which is sadly very real in poor and rural areas.

A child being assaulted by a parent or older sibling means that child isn't consenting, or is pressured into a situation that isn't truly of their free will to make.

[quote] But also, I can't help being drawn to real dad/son incest, as long as the son is an adult. I've never any sexual interest in my father, brother, male cousins, uncles, etc., but adult fathers/sons having sex turns me on.

I've had this as a fetish for a long time, but like you, I have had no real interest in my own father or any relative. I'm sure there's a little psychological baggage mixed in with my interest - that my own father was cold and not very expressive. But that's the extent of my real life's influence on that fantasy.

I think many gay men become interested in an older man and the whole dad/son roleplay because it's a combination of so many things we crave and need. An affectionate guy who tousels your hair, calls you "champ" and hugs and kisses you....someone who holds you close....and then that same man having passionate, sweaty fuck time with you. There's also a bit of a forbidden nature to the idea, even if you and the other man are clearly not related and just playing out a fantasy. Yeah, it's a heady combination.

By definition it is immoral if you believe in consent.

The familial relationship always exerts undue influence on consent by one of the parties, even if they both think it's freely given. The underlying psychological need for acceptance by a tribe or family unit for survival creates that.

R70 exactly. This is the same reason it's frowned upon for managers to date their employees - the power balance is lopsided.

And that's a job, held by an adult. It's a thousand times more ugly and harrowing having to cope with that in your own home, where you're supposed to be safe, with an adult who could throw you out or hurt you if you don't cooperate. So many victims, especially girls, often just go along with it for those reasons - they feel like it's their fault. It really, really fucks with your head.

I’m sorry but I don’t get the daddy/son fetish. I find nothing remotely hot about it. It actually makes me nauseated. The gay twin thing doesn’t make me sick, but I don’t get turned on by it either.

I think a lot of gay men who do have a daddy thing are into it for the reasons I cited at R69. In the absence of a lot of other figures who are masculine AND nurturing, it became a shorthand for that kind of thing - certainly calling it "daddy" complicates us, but a lot of gay men seem to crave a man that can be loving but also take the lead and be responsible, be strong, be "the man."

It’s disgusting especially with straights. If annunderaged person is involved it’s a crime but if they’re both adults of sound kind they’re nasty freaks. I just don’t understand how you could be hot for your family.

The only thing I remember from Anthro 101 is that every culture has an incest taboo, even though they define it in different ways.

We think it's tremendous!

I read somewhere that most people have a gene that makes them react with repulsion at the idea of sex with a close member of their family. In the same article, it said that a few people probably lack that gene or something to that effect. Thoughts?

We love it!

R77 This old cunt lacks that gene.

R77 This old cunt lacks that gene.

For film treatment, I recommend the bizarre yet superlative "Angeld and Insects".

I fooled around with a lot of my male cousins when we were teens. Nothing heavy, just sort of the same things I did with my male friends. I still see some of them occasionally, and there is nothing weird between us that I perceive. I feel a little weird about it, but not much.

Ew.

wasn't abraham and his wife like half siblings?

It’s so wrong...but it feels so good

It's Murican.

I used to know two girls who were double cousins. Their mothers were sisters and their fathers were brothers. They would say, "Our family tree doesn't branch out like most people's."

If adult relatives want to have sex with each other it’s none of my business as long as they don’t have incest babies. It still just seems gross to me

I mean, hot gay same sex twins is a valid fantasy, and possibly the only situation where there's a chance of avoiding unsavory power dynamics and no possibility of incest babies. Buuuut, I think morally it's better avoided, since even twins have a sort of undue influence with each other.

You don't sleep around with co-workers because when the relationship goes wrong, you may still have to work with them. That's infinitely more the case with relatives.

Brother and sister sex is disgusting, but obviously, physical love between brothers is special, especially the inevitable sexual relations between male identical twins.

I've always wondered if ugly parents feel guilty for having ugly children.

People are entitled to happiness, and if that includes a partner and children, so be it. Yet I wonder when I see people have children with a partner of clearly poor genetic stock, either in terms of looks and/or family history of physical/mental illness or criminality. I especially take exception to people who breed with close relatives, ie, Middle Easterners. I know of families in the UK with no fewer than 3 profoundly disabled children. What a huge cost to the individual, the family and society.

Gave my cousin a blowjob and swallowed his cum after his divorce. He's now living with a new girlfriends but still occasionally stop by my place a for a quickie.

I done growed up in Nebraska in the late 70s. Most of the geminate guys I knew at school got fucked by they dad’s. I started takin it when I was 8. It only stopped when I ran away when I was 16. The rape, degradation, abuse and humiliation was constant. I had to dance degrading dances and sing degrading songs for the depraved amusement of my horny str8 dad and uncles.

It should be moral if incest doesn't produce freak baby.

It should be moral if incest doesn't produce freak baby.

r93 A C-note, or I tell grandma.

To me the immoral part is the power imbalance when one grooms the other with strategies like "us vs. them" where the whole world is against them and they have only each other for trust and support. Usually incest families are like cults where the incest is a secret outsiders wouldn't understand and approve (duh!), but family is the only thing that keeps family members safe from the bad, predatory world. Even family members who don't participate in the incest part usually prefer to stay quiet and protect the family's incest legacy, because it getting revealed to the public would ruin them.

I have a 5-years-older gay male cousin I've always loved dearly as a best friend, and he told me a couple of years ago how he used to fuck one of his studly cowboy cousins on the other side of his family all the time when they were teenagers. Then he said, "I don't know why I never had sex with you."

OMFG, I was so repulsed, if he had tried to have sex with me I would have been traumatized for life. For one thing, when he was 18, I was 13. But I am totally disgusted by the thought of having sex with him. The fact he even brought up the possibility makes me like him less.

Weirdly, I'm one of those up above who likes real father/son pron.

[quote] "So, you wrote some love notes to your sister. You know in some societies---no, that's sick everywhere."

[quote] "Yes, you hit on your sister, but you were posing as *me*. I really think that puts you in the clear--maybe not with God, but with me."

The vast majority of incest cases involve young girls and fathers, or young girls and older brothers. Incest has been romanticised in literature and music (cf. Wagner's unknowing twins, Siegmund and Sieglinde, who fall in love as adults after being separated at birth - they are both punished by death, Sieglinde in childbirth, and Siegmund in battle at the hands of his sister's outraged husband).

But generally, the real thing is most often sordid and results in enormous psychic damage to the victims.

One of the major elements in the fall of Arthur and Camelot is his incestuous relationship with his half-sister, Morgaine. Although she is a sorceress who entraps him, the stain is still punished, as the son she has by him, Mordred, brings down Arthur's reign.

Nabokov, Tolkien, and many other authors have delved into it, usually to tragic outcomes.

The film "Angels and Insects", noted above, is based on A.S. Byatt's novel, "Morpho Eugenia".

But the real thing is mostly sordid and tawdry and unhealthy. It isn't a question of "moral" or "immoral" - but whether it has been recognised as destructive and dangerous enough to warrant a taboo.

The attractive brother and sister separated at birth who fall in love later are the romanticised version.

I doubt the 9 year old girl whose father is already preying upon her will ever see it that way.

Not to mention Luke and Leia.

Leia. 'Tis pity she's a whore.

My heart goes out to those who were messed with by family. You need ONE safe place, family should be that.

R104 i te you what, I was never safe around my daddy and uncles. Some form of assault or degradation was always around the corner. Even when they’d busted their loads they still took pleasure in inflicting huniliatia on me. Also they had very short refractory period being ultra masc and would get hard again quickly

Home is where the heart is broken...

I get the attraction to the fantasy of incest. I'm an older gay and every time I hook up with a much younger guy, they go to the daddy fantasy, sometimes full-blown. Sometimes they say, "Oh, but I don't think of you as my father" but what else could they mean when a moment earlier they were begging, "Make my hole yours, dad"?

One thing is the fantasy, and that's apparently quite common judging by the amount of incest porn that's produced these days. Another thing is the real thing. It must be quite a mind fuck to be sexually involved with a close family member, no matter how consensual.