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Are you contractually obligated to be friendly if you're sitting at the bar?

I feel like a jerk right now because of a situation that happened earlier at a bar...

Here's the deal: I'm an introvert who has the hardest time socializing with new people. I generally make a good impression once a conversation is in full swing, but I absolutely refuse to make the first move and initiate any kind of interaction. As a result, people tend to assume I'm a snob when that couldn't be any further from the truth. I just fear rejection and protect myself by putting up a seemingly impenetrable facade.

Recently, I moved to Germany and am having the hardest time adjusting, so I've been forcing myself to get out of my hotel and interact with others. The language barrier tends to present its share of challenges; however, today I went to a place frequented and owned by English-speakers. I sat at the bar and people seemed willing and ready to bring me into their conversations, but I completely ignored them and opted to play with my phone instead.

A situation that really disturbed me though is when a guy who came in to grab a carry out order asked if I had found a place yet. Initially, I ignored him, but when it became clear he was talking to me, all I could say was, "Excuse me, do I know you?" (in a slightly snotty tone). Turns out I had met him during an on-boarding session a week ago. I back-tracked and tried to make nice, but he didn't say anything else after I tried to give him a friendly response.

It got me to thinking: Am I wrong for sitting at the bar if I'm not willing to fully participate in playing the game? I like listening to other people's conversations and it doesn't make sense for one person to take up a full table. I just can't bring myself to be that guy who flirts with bartenders and teases fellow patrons about their favorite sports teams.

by Anonymousreply 27March 14, 2020 5:58 AM

You might be excused (but still horribly behaved) if you are under 25 and fixed on your smart phone. However, if you are adult, yes, you should be friendly and polite in a GAY BAR. If you want to be alone with your phone, go to a god-damned generic hotel cocktail bar and sit on a sofa by yourself.

by Anonymousreply 1September 27, 2015 6:57 PM

WEBMASTER, STEALTH ASPERGERS THREAD!

by Anonymousreply 2September 27, 2015 7:01 PM

If you can't get Germans to follow orders you're hopeless.

by Anonymousreply 3September 27, 2015 7:03 PM

OP - you do sound like a jerk. You need to get over whatever inner voice is telling you negative things about yourself or dreaming up bad social situations.

Most people are nice and friendly. Really.

by Anonymousreply 4September 27, 2015 7:06 PM

I don't think it's so much being a jerk. You sound like you have serious social issues, OP. You went to a bar to socialise but hid in your phone. There's fear there that you have to get over.

by Anonymousreply 5September 27, 2015 7:08 PM

Thanks for the responses. I wasn't at a gay bar...just an Irish bar near a popular hotel in the area.

I think if I was in a gay bar the situation would've been a little different. Being single I wouldn't mind meeting some nice guys, but I tend to be overly cautious in sports bars and such.

It's actually been surprising how very non-gay this place is (especially compared to where I'm coming from--Wash. DC).

by Anonymousreply 6September 27, 2015 7:15 PM

You are over analyzing this way to much! Just be a human being ffs.

by Anonymousreply 7September 27, 2015 7:17 PM

Stay home if that's how you are. There is nothing worse than just trying to be friendly to somebody and a bar and then they act like you do.

by Anonymousreply 8September 27, 2015 7:24 PM

Ha! I was just about to warn you to stay away from Irish bars!!! When I was doing a lot of international travel associated with academic research....my hosts took me to a pub at the end of the day.

Well, being Canadian of Irish/U.K. descent (grandparents) nothing and I do mean nothing prepared me for the "Irish pub experience " All I remember is how dark the interior (it was still daylight outside), and the crowding....you literally had to find a spot - anywhere - and just stay put. But my fondest recollection was the cacaphony of chatter, laughter and I mean these people were the happiest and most gregarious bunch I had ever seen.

I knew immediately, instantly that I was witnessing a fleeting moment of true Irish culture, the sense of belonging, conviviality, extrovertion, and the deep, deep sense of community was so uplifting. And it wasn't chatter for chatting sake, they were all engrossed -each little group - in riveting repartee, with energy and laughter seeming limitless. I felt a tinge of sadness witnessing this in downtown Dublin and knowing I'd be leaving Ireland the next day.

When you go to other countries, you are bound to be confronted with a 'slightly' different way of doing things. The key is to take it in and enjoy every second - and put away your gadgets - that is rapidly becoming and looking silly !!!

by Anonymousreply 9September 27, 2015 7:48 PM

You're an asshole with serious mental problems. Seek help. One of the best things about travel is meeting the locals, numb nuts.

by Anonymousreply 10September 27, 2015 8:22 PM

You were at the bar on your own OP, or with someone? Did you refuse to talk to some random strangers or people you already met? It's not the same thing.

by Anonymousreply 11September 27, 2015 10:02 PM

Get drunk first and then you will see how easy it will be for you to get over your social phobia!

by Anonymousreply 12September 27, 2015 10:39 PM

[quote] I completely ignored them and opted to play with my phone instead

[quote] I ignored him, but when it became clear he was talking to me, all I could say was, "Excuse me, do I know you?" (in a slightly snotty tone).

You are either emotionally disturbed or you're a straight-up asshole.

In both of these instances you made a conscious decision, you made a choice to behave like a complete twat. You could have been a decent person and kept to yourself while not treating people like they are dog shit stuck to your shoe. A friendly word or two. That's all. And then back to your little bubble.

On behalf of everyone else at that bar that night.... Well fuck you, asshole.

by Anonymousreply 13September 27, 2015 11:08 PM

You're a mental case, plain and simple. If someone asks you something specific that directly relates to your current situation then there is a very good chance that they do, in fact, "know you."

by Anonymousreply 14September 27, 2015 11:24 PM

[quote] I think if I was in a gay bar the situation would've been a little different.

No, it wouldn't.

by Anonymousreply 15September 27, 2015 11:26 PM

You're incredibly rude. Grow the fuck up.

by Anonymousreply 16September 28, 2015 1:03 AM

[quote]I don't think it's so much being a jerk. You sound like you have serious social issues, OP. You went to a bar to socialise but hid in your phone. There's fear there that you have to get over.

Agreed

[quote]If you want to be alone with your phone, go to a god-damned generic hotel cocktail bar and sit on a sofa by yourself.

Start by people watching and work your way up to the bar when you're ready to engage in conversation.

You might not have the best reputation for a while if you and the guy you ignored move in the same circles and he tells people what a tool you were.

by Anonymousreply 17September 28, 2015 9:21 AM

[quote] all I could say was, "Excuse me, do I know you?"

It really sounds like you need to learn manners.

I would never, ever speak to someone like this, because it's just plain rude. I wasn't raised to speak to people that way.

I agree with the others, that you should just stay home and avoid human contact. There are enough assholes in the world, to have to deal with one more.

by Anonymousreply 18September 28, 2015 1:05 PM

You had that coming, OP.

by Anonymousreply 19March 14, 2020 2:12 AM

[quote]Are you contractually obligated to be friendly if you're sitting at the bar?

The fact that the only reason one would be friendly while sitting at the bar is for "contractual" reasons in your mind says all we need to know about you, OP.

by Anonymousreply 20March 14, 2020 2:17 AM

If you’re an introvert you are contractually obligated to sit at home alone and not go out. Hope this helps.

by Anonymousreply 21March 14, 2020 2:19 AM

Bump bitch STOP dredging up these ancient threads.

by Anonymousreply 22March 14, 2020 2:37 AM

Good questions OP. I used to be that way. In NYC - I felt I should be able to go to a bar and not engage. I think you were overly rude though. There are subtle ways to stifle a conversation. A tight smile, a “no” and turn. Try to be polite.

What I couldn’t stand was the drunk or overly aggressive types who wouldn’t take a hint. Then you can be rude.

As I’ve gotten older and happier and less stressed, I’m more open. Much more willing to engage. But there will always be an annoying or obnoxious person with whom you do not want to engage - one of the lessons in life is shutting that down diplomatically but firmly. Like dealing with an aggressive panhandler.

by Anonymousreply 23March 14, 2020 2:46 AM

[quote]Bump bitch STOP dredging up these ancient threads.

After it was bumped, I didn't even notice it was that old.

How does that idiot even find threads this old to bump.

by Anonymousreply 24March 14, 2020 5:42 AM

I go to bars and no one talks to me. No one contractually obligated to do so either.

by Anonymousreply 25March 14, 2020 5:50 AM

Easy solution- don’t sit at a fucking bar if you don’t wanna be talked to. Done.

by Anonymousreply 26March 14, 2020 5:55 AM

Why are you sitting at a bar? Social distancing cunt.

by Anonymousreply 27March 14, 2020 5:58 AM
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