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Woman weighing nearly 800lbs rescued from apartment in massive net

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by Anonymousreply 166May 3, 2020 12:53 AM

She was like a zoo animal. Who kept feeding her and let her become as big as a house?

by Anonymousreply 1August 22, 2015 5:27 PM

I know this thread is going to be comedy gold, but I genuinely feel sorry for her.

by Anonymousreply 2August 22, 2015 5:44 PM

That is very sad. And how humiliating for her.

by Anonymousreply 3August 22, 2015 5:45 PM

I hope she gets help.

by Anonymousreply 4August 22, 2015 5:48 PM

There is no coming back from 800 lbs.

I had a fuck buddy for a brief time about 10 years ago. He had been OBESE at 400. I saw the pics. Maybe he was even heavier? Anyway, he was a nice guy and had rolls skin everywhere. HE would only fuck with a shirt on. He had a hot cock. The rolls were everywhere around his crotch and ass, too. He said the surgery to remove the rolls was too radical for him to deal with. And it wasn't possible to get everything. And there were other things permanently wrong left over from his obesity.

This women can be made comfortable and that's about it.

by Anonymousreply 5August 22, 2015 5:53 PM

I should say flaps, more than rolls.

by Anonymousreply 6August 22, 2015 5:54 PM

R6 I would say, "NO!"

by Anonymousreply 7August 22, 2015 5:57 PM

He had a really HOT cock. And I don't fuck based just on looks. Someone can charm me into it. I wouldn't say it was a pity fuck. I've fucked all kinds of freaks because I'm kinky that way.

by Anonymousreply 8August 22, 2015 5:59 PM

I try to feel sad for these people, but I cant get over the idea of how they go there... AT 300 lbs weren't there enough red flags for them to stop?

by Anonymousreply 9August 22, 2015 5:59 PM

What I don't understand is this: if a person loses a certain percentage of their body weight, they are often forced into treatment. They are classified as having a mental illness as per the DSM. Yet, anorexics are still going to school and working. They can look after their hygiene. How is it that nobody steps in when a person gains weight that makes them incapable of working or looking after basic body functions? The people this large need help getting sponge baths. It's very sad.

by Anonymousreply 10August 22, 2015 6:12 PM

She surely shit directly on a sheet of newspaper by her bed, and peed into the big snout of a watering can. I don't know who would help with that.

by Anonymousreply 11August 22, 2015 6:15 PM

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by Anonymousreply 12August 22, 2015 6:17 PM

600 Large Vending Machine

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by Anonymousreply 13August 22, 2015 6:18 PM

800 lbs = 362 kilograms

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by Anonymousreply 14August 22, 2015 6:22 PM

What was on her iPod? (Other than grease stains and cookie crumbs, of course.)

by Anonymousreply 15August 22, 2015 6:32 PM

r5, you're equating being uncomfortable with and embarrassed by extra stretched-out skin with being dead.

Your friend who was no longer obese was at least much healthier and more likely to live longer.

Not everyone is quite as shallow as you are.

by Anonymousreply 16August 22, 2015 6:34 PM

Wow. That is truly awful.

by Anonymousreply 17August 22, 2015 6:43 PM

Wait! Wait! Don't take me yet! My Dominos order hasn't arrived!

by Anonymousreply 18August 22, 2015 6:45 PM

What do you mean "rescued" from apartment? What? Was her flat holding hostage or something?

by Anonymousreply 19August 22, 2015 6:52 PM

One of the first flag (of many) that there is a problem with obesity is when you whisper to the flight attendant that you require a seatbelt extension. That's when you need to pry your face out of the bucket of fried chicken and start walking around the block. Poor dear didn't see the flags.

by Anonymousreply 20August 22, 2015 6:55 PM

Was it Oprah?

by Anonymousreply 21August 22, 2015 7:38 PM

[quote] What was on her iPod?

"A Spoonful of Sugar" - Julie Andrews

"Cheeseburger in Paradise" - Jimmy Buffet

"(Sugar Pie Honey Bunch) I Can't Help Myself" - The Four Tops

"Sugar, Sugar" - Wilson Pickett

"Food, Glorious Food" - the cast of [italic]Oliver[/italic]

"Eat It" - Weird Al Yankovic

"American Pie" - Don McLean

"Apples, Peaches, Pumpkin Pie" - Jay and the Techniques

"Be Our Guest" - Jerry Orbach and Angela Lansbury

"Brown Sugar" - The Rolling Stones

"The Candy Man" - Sammy Davis, Jr.

"Life is Just a Bowl of Cherries" - Judy Garland

"Grease" - Frankie Vallie

"Honey Bun" - from [italic]South Pacific[/italic]

"C is for Cookie" - Cookie Monster

"Juicy Fruit" - Mtume

Bread's greatest hits

"Rum and Coca-Cola" - The Andrews Sisters

"Sunshine, Lollipops and Rainbows" - Lesley Gore

"Valentine Candy" - Lesley Ann Warren

"Truly Scrumptious" - Sally Ann Howes

"Whipped Cream" - Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass

"Yes, We Have No Bananas"

"On Top of Spaghetti" - Tom Lehrer

by Anonymousreply 22August 22, 2015 7:59 PM

Science is finding there is a genetic reason some people become obese. For some, it really is not their fault. Maybe we can stop the perspective that they lack will power and should be made fun of.

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by Anonymousreply 23August 22, 2015 7:59 PM

There may or may not be a genetic component for some people being chubby or having a much harder time getting or staying thin than other people. But getting to 800 lbs is about way more than genetics. Extreme overconsumption of food inarguably plays a part and is probably due to a mental illness or three. I don't say that with any sort of judgment at all and sincerely hope this lady is okay and gets some help to improve the quality of her life.

by Anonymousreply 24August 22, 2015 8:05 PM

If you are 800lbs then someone is shopping for you. Who was enabling this woman to get so enormous?

by Anonymousreply 25August 22, 2015 8:09 PM

You left out 'When My Sugar Walks Down the Street.'

by Anonymousreply 26August 22, 2015 8:11 PM

[quote]Extreme overconsumption of food inarguably plays a part and is probably due to a mental illness or three.

I think the food makes the mental illness worse in these cases.

by Anonymousreply 27August 22, 2015 8:12 PM

This woman was too fat to shop. Why aren't family members who got her to this weight held legally responsible when she dies?

by Anonymousreply 28August 22, 2015 8:12 PM

She made extra money by going on chatubate under the name of "Mounds of Magnificent Momma."

She used those earnings to order food delivered in.

by Anonymousreply 29August 22, 2015 8:16 PM

As harrowing as that experience must have been for her, her greatest fear was being fat-shamed by the shut-ins at Datalounge.

by Anonymousreply 30August 22, 2015 8:21 PM

Good thing she lived in New York, where people are thinner due to all the walking they do. Just think how big she would have gotten if she'd lived in Kansas.

by Anonymousreply 31August 22, 2015 8:25 PM

Like others have written; who was bringing her food? I know you want to take care of loved ones but I believe there is a co-dependency at work here between the eater and the care giver. It's a sick relationship.

by Anonymousreply 32August 22, 2015 8:34 PM

[quote]Just think how big she would have gotten if she'd lived in Kansas.

The house that fell on me didn't weigh as much as she does.

by Anonymousreply 33August 22, 2015 8:37 PM

[quote]If you are 800lbs then someone is shopping for you. Who was enabling this woman to get so enormous?

Amazon.com.

by Anonymousreply 34August 22, 2015 8:45 PM

I still think it's an infection. Some gut bacteria makes you do it.

by Anonymousreply 35August 22, 2015 9:37 PM

I told her, I said, "Gurrrrrll......you in DANGER!"

by Anonymousreply 36August 22, 2015 10:35 PM

Not funny at all. How horrible.

by Anonymousreply 37August 22, 2015 10:38 PM

[quote]Maybe we can stop the perspective that they lack will power and should be made fun of.

Ah, you must be new to the Datalounge!

by Anonymousreply 38August 22, 2015 10:43 PM

So, presumably she'll have to arrange her own transportation back up to her apartment. What will she do? Rent a commercial crane? She'll need a special work permit to make that happen. I hope there is a film crew present when it happens!

by Anonymousreply 39August 22, 2015 10:49 PM

How? Just how do you get to 800+ pounds? She could lose my entire body weight of 176 pounds, and it probably would be a barely noticeable loss. I just don't get it.

by Anonymousreply 40August 22, 2015 10:49 PM

She'll have to live in a tent in Central Park until she loses enough weight to fit through the doorway. She might also want to consider a first floor apartment.

by Anonymousreply 41August 22, 2015 10:52 PM

I wonder if she had a feeder fattening her.

by Anonymousreply 42August 22, 2015 10:52 PM

Do they even make caftans in her size?

by Anonymousreply 43August 22, 2015 10:53 PM

She could lift up a roll of flab with a couple of tent poles and rent herself out [italic]as[/italic] a first floor apartment.

by Anonymousreply 44August 22, 2015 10:54 PM

And you think MY pussy stinks?

by Anonymousreply 45August 22, 2015 10:54 PM

Can you imagine the size of her toilet!

Or does she use a sandbox filled with kitty litter? 😹

by Anonymousreply 46August 22, 2015 10:56 PM

Be thankful that you don't, r40

by Anonymousreply 47August 22, 2015 10:58 PM

"What I don't understand is this: if a person loses a certain percentage of their body weight, they are often forced into treatment. They are classified as having a mental illness as per the DSM. Yet, anorexics are still going to school and working. They can look after their hygiene. How is it that nobody steps in when a person gains weight that makes them incapable of working or looking after basic body functions? "

Anorectics are more visible and the people around them are more likely to get them help, while your typical 800-lb shut-in is at home with whomever is buying them food. And while people have been demanding help for their anorectic loved ones for decades, until very recently the medical profession has ignored the supermorbidly obese. Even now, the bariatric surgeons are the only ones offering any kind of help, psychiatrists haven't done much study, and I don't know if medical insurances will cover any treatment for them except the bariatric surgery.

And of course it's hard to count bedridden shut-ins who avoid public notice, but I suspect there are a hell of a lot more supermorbidly obese people than there used to be. IMHO changes in processed foods are behind the obesity epidemic and today's foods are much more likely to trigger whatever it is that makes people eat themselves to death. And yes, IMHO it is the food supply that's driving up obesity rates, human beings have always been lazy, trashy, stressed, self-indulgent, etc. But being lazy and self-comforting with food didn't make people gain 200-600 lbs until recently.

by Anonymousreply 48August 22, 2015 10:59 PM

I bet she shops online @ Walmart.com

by Anonymousreply 49August 22, 2015 11:01 PM

From the NY Daily News @ the source cited in OP's source:

[quote][bold]They should have brought a bigger ambulance.[/bold] They treated the girthy gal, but quickly realized that her size prevented them from getting her out the front door, sources with knowledge of the incident said. Firefighters were called in to remove a window and perform a “high angle operation,” officials said.

There's a short video clip @ the NY Daily News link.

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by Anonymousreply 50August 22, 2015 11:03 PM

You forgot Sugar Walls by Sheena Easton.

by Anonymousreply 51August 22, 2015 11:05 PM

Some people will do anything to lure a hot fireman into their apartment. I wonder if she copped a feel on the way down?

by Anonymousreply 52August 22, 2015 11:05 PM

A bigger ambulance?

How about an eighteen-wheeler?

by Anonymousreply 53August 22, 2015 11:05 PM

This reminds me of that episode of Nip/Tuck around the time of The Carver where there was a 500lb woman who was attached to the couch and they had to cut out the side of the house to get her out and she rode on a flatbed to the hospital

by Anonymousreply 54August 22, 2015 11:34 PM

Anyone have her number? I'm hungry.

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by Anonymousreply 55August 23, 2015 12:11 AM

Selfish pig.

That's all.

by Anonymousreply 56August 23, 2015 12:14 AM

R22, someone should have downloaded "No Sugar Tonight" by The Guess Who onto her iPad.

R44 made me lol as horrible as that is.

I, too, would like to know what she was "rescued" from? Her couch? Her refrigerator? Her feeder? Can you imagine how embarrassing that would be to be CRANE LIFTED out of your apartment? Yikes!

Even if Amazon or WalMart was delivering food to her, someone would still have to open the door and let the delivery in. She obviously wasn't in any condition to open the door OR cook the food (unless it was all just non-cook stuff like bread, chips and the like).

by Anonymousreply 57August 23, 2015 12:29 AM

Some of those rescuers could stand to lose a few.

by Anonymousreply 58August 23, 2015 12:35 AM

I agree with R48. Also, the person feeding and "caring" for the person is horrible. How can you do this? Bad enough the individual is mentally ill enough to do this to themselves, some sort of slow suicide, but how can you be complicit in this when you are supposed to love this person? It's murder and they should be charged as such.

by Anonymousreply 59August 23, 2015 12:38 AM

Surely she couldn't actually be 800lbs - I don't really trust bystanders ability to estimate someone's weight. I mean surely any women would be dead before they got to 800lbs unless they were very tall? I feel bad for her she must have had something wrong with her to get that big.

by Anonymousreply 60August 23, 2015 12:43 AM

She obviously didn't eat at Subway.

by Anonymousreply 61August 23, 2015 1:05 AM

The enablers are to blame. Don't serve the obese the fast food, the soda, the chips. They are at your mercy. They can't get out of bed or off the couch. Let them cry all they want but give them water and veggies

by Anonymousreply 62August 23, 2015 1:18 AM

I bet you didn't know adult diapers are available in waist sizes up to 96 inches.

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by Anonymousreply 63August 23, 2015 1:42 AM

[quote] Do they even make caftans in her size?

I found one.

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by Anonymousreply 64August 23, 2015 1:46 AM

After these morbidly obese people can no longer walk and are bed ridden, why don't there family and friends stop feeing them crap?? Let them starve or eat the normal calorie intake. It is not like they can move and get the junk food or large portions.

by Anonymousreply 65August 23, 2015 1:52 AM

I agree with the poster that said obesity needs to be treated like anorexia. You have to be mentally ill to reach over 300 pounds.

by Anonymousreply 66August 23, 2015 1:59 AM

There was some talk of feeders few years ago. How big part are they of the obese community? (If you can call it that.)

I've always thought the feeders are narcissistic sadists that use food to create slaves that are completely dependent on them.

by Anonymousreply 67August 23, 2015 2:00 AM

IA that it's all the poison in our food supply that allow a person to get that big. There were always people who ate too much and maybe would get 300 pounds but 800???? and so many of them up there over 500. For the average person who thinks they're eating healthy, if you're eating non pastured animals or dairy or non organic produce you're eating things that were never meant to go into a human body. Add in all the drugs like Lyrica and many psychiatric drugs that cause rapid weight gain and people are being poisoned left and right. Most people won't get to that extreme. I'll bet something is physically going on with her or those like her that is more susceptible to the poison but many normal weight people who think they're healthy and doing all the right things will find out they're not when they suddenly get something very seriously wrong with them and at a fairly young age for that kind of disease or condition. I'll bet 600 pounds ago some doctor told this woman she had Fibromyalgia and gave her those poison pills for it or some shrink put her on some psychiatric drug.

by Anonymousreply 68August 23, 2015 2:07 AM

There weren't really that many people who got that fat prior to the 1980s. Thank you George McGovern.

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by Anonymousreply 69August 23, 2015 2:12 AM

[quote]You have to be mentally ill to reach over 300 pounds.

As someone over 300 lbs I have to agree.

The reality is all the fat people I know are not happy and are not well either emotionally or mentally.

But most people including doctors don't treat us like they treat someone who sticks their fingers down their throat. We're treated like bad people who need to suffer for the sin of being fat.

by Anonymousreply 70August 23, 2015 2:22 AM

I remember that woman R54. Her body had actually melted into the couch.

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by Anonymousreply 71August 23, 2015 2:28 AM

It is an illness, probably illness of the fat person but also illness of the one who supplies them.

It's a slow suicide.

There are probably many 600 pounders around the country and it's always sad.

by Anonymousreply 72August 23, 2015 2:30 AM

R70 and every health ailment is dealt with by being told you need to lose weight - even if your ailment likely has nothing to do with your weight. I have a friend who is at least 150 lbs overweight and she recently started experiencing contact dermatitis of undisclosed origins and her doctor told her it was due to her weight causing the rashes, migraines and sinus pressure she was experiencing. She went to an allergist and, no, it turns out she's developed an allergy to her laundry detergent. General practitioners aren't specialists: they don't know how to treat eating disorders and shouldn't try. That's what specialist referrals are for. Many GPs are overweight themselves.

[quote]Surely she couldn't actually be 800lbs - I don't really trust bystanders ability to estimate someone's weight.

I was thinking that, too. She doesn't look 800 lbs but she could easily be 500 or 600. Ruby from that weight loss reality show is nearly 6' and she weighed 700 lbs at one point and she was MUCH larger than the lady in the photograph.

It sounds like she was having some other medical issue that needed attending to and was stuck in her apartment. Poor thing. I hope she gets some help and gets better - and gets away from whoever did this to her.

by Anonymousreply 73August 23, 2015 2:31 AM

[quote]You have to be mentally ill to reach over 300 pounds.

PHEW!

by Anonymousreply 74August 23, 2015 2:33 AM

[quote]And yes, IMHO it is the food supply that's driving up obesity rates, human beings have always been lazy, trashy, stressed, self-indulgent, etc. But being lazy and self-comforting with food didn't make people gain 200-600 lbs until recently.

It might be more common now, but it's not actually true. In the early 1970s I know of a research hospital that conducted a study on obese patients. A friend worked in the hospital and I recall the hospital rooms had to be modified before they brought in the patients.

I knew a woman around that time whose mother felt guilty for allowing her father to molest her. The mother provided whatever food the daughter wanted.

by Anonymousreply 75August 23, 2015 2:40 AM

I have to wonder how much her daily food bill was. I read a list of a typical daily menu for a shut in man who weigh around 500 lbs. I recall reading two or three roast chickens per day on the long list This costs as much as a cocaine addiction.

by Anonymousreply 76August 23, 2015 2:42 AM

Maybe he was on Atkins, R76

by Anonymousreply 77August 23, 2015 2:45 AM

How do they pay for that much food? They would have to be on disability, and that's notoriously pittance. Even if eligible for food stamps, it wouldn't be enough for THAT much food.

by Anonymousreply 78August 23, 2015 2:47 AM

God, this is tragic. I'm someone who struggled with weight loss. I'm a man, early 30s, 5' 10". I now weigh 188, have a low body fat % and have managed to keep it off through incredibly hard work (high intensity interval training -HIIT - cardio 6 days a wk; weightlifting 4 days a wk; yoga twice a wk; also walk 3-5 mi a day in my commute/errands/dog walk and eat a carb-restricted 1800 calorie diet in which less than 20% of my calories come from carbs). I had to do ALL that to make any difference in my health and appearance. I once weighed close to 300 lbs in my early 20s. Yes, my lifestyle choices are what changed everything for me. But it's worth noting that even at my most obese (probably 280-290lb) I was not an overeater, nor eating a ton of junk food or sugary drinks. I was consuming - at most - 2300 calories a day and I had an active lifestyle. I basically had to live and workout like an athlete in order to lose and keep off the weight I have friends ( we all have them) who eat whatever the fuck they want, exercise once or twice a week and yet maintain fantastic physiques.

To callously ignore how big a factor genetics may have played in this woman's climb up the scale is ridiculous. I have no doubt that a sedentary lifestyle and unhealthy diet were MAJOR contributing factors, but I think we all know that not everyone who overeats or doesn't exercise enough winds up gaining 100s of pounds. If they did, the obesity epidemic would be even worse than it is now.

by Anonymousreply 79August 23, 2015 3:00 AM

R78, I think we've already established they have enablers who feed them.

by Anonymousreply 80August 23, 2015 3:00 AM

R80 they don't tend to be wealthy enablers, and many are their children. So again, where does all that money come from? That is a lot of money we're talking about here.

by Anonymousreply 81August 23, 2015 3:12 AM

You have no idea how much money they have, R81.

by Anonymousreply 82August 23, 2015 3:17 AM

r68 I think portions sizes rather than quality of food is the issue. Food-- especially convenience food is more in your face than decades ago too. Microwave dinners and snake foods are more prominent. Getting an ice cream and even a soda used to be a major outing. Now you can just get a tub of ice cream and a liter of soda from your refrigerator.

by Anonymousreply 83August 23, 2015 3:18 AM

R82, you ridiculously idiotic cunt nose freak... I never said I did. But I can see what these peoples houses look like and they're no Hiltons.

by Anonymousreply 84August 23, 2015 3:20 AM

r78 Food is actually quite inexpensive. Americans spend only 10% on average of our income on food. This is the lowest for industrialized countries. An obese person could easily spend 20% and not be in financial trouble. Plus lots of junk food is inexpensive.

by Anonymousreply 85August 23, 2015 3:22 AM

I think this was on her iPod as well

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by Anonymousreply 86August 23, 2015 3:23 AM

Okay, troll at R84. Many people live frugally even though they have money. There are people in my family who are very well to do, although you'd never know it if all you go by is their homes. I know many people who have nothing but put on a big show.

by Anonymousreply 87August 23, 2015 3:26 AM

[quote]I think portions sizes rather than quality of food is the issue.

It's both.

by Anonymousreply 88August 23, 2015 3:37 AM

Basically, her family/caretakers have to be sacrificing disposable income or money they could be putting in savings so she could eat voluminously. Someone like her has to eat a Duggar family sized tater tot casserole for dinner and that's probably ~$15 right there. And that's cheap food and only one course of one meal -- theoretically ~$400/month.

by Anonymousreply 89August 23, 2015 3:39 AM

Cunt nosed R87/82 it's one thing to live frugally but wealthy people don't live in slum conditions. These are not the homes of modest rich folk, you smegma breath having imbecile. The amounts of food these people by their own admission eat, would be very costly, and then there's the kids, and other family to feed. Considering this giant person cannot work, it's not unreasonable to wonder where the money comes from.

by Anonymousreply 90August 23, 2015 4:28 AM

I think the availability of all this cheap highly palatable food is a conspiracy by the wealthy elitists to keep Americans from uprising. Junk food is the only pleasure in a lot of poor peoples lives. For some people the highlight of their day is what they are going to eat for dinner. I'm still judgmental though, when I see someone over 300lbs i'm like holy shit "I may be chubby but I would never get THAT big."

My mother was very judgmental about peoples weight. She was the one who I got that saying from. "I can get kind of chubby but I would NEVER get THAT BIG! (said as she's looking at somebody in public riding one of those fat people carts.) Really how does someone get that big????? Can somebody relate to me? How do they get that big??? I went through some nasty depression issues in my early 20's and I ate like a hungry hippo. Two big fast food meals a day. (it was disgusting). I ate as much as I possibly could with out puking. The highest I got was 268lbs on my 6"2 frame. It would be physically impossible for me to weight 800lbs. IMPOSSIBLE even 700lb or 600lbs or 500lbs or 400lbs-- 300lbs would be very very hard but maybe maybe I could do it.

800lbs is FREAKSHOW how can they eat so much without puking, who is feeding them and how do they pay for it?

by Anonymousreply 91August 23, 2015 4:32 AM

R91, you have to take into account that they take to their beds and never leave, like some kind of second womb, so not even the exercise that an office worker gets walking to their car & back each day. These people most likely have an even slower metabolism than you do, both naturally and due to their lifestyle. And yes, they are eating more than you did.

by Anonymousreply 92August 23, 2015 4:39 AM

And R91, you were only 32 lbs from 300, so yes, you could definitely have hit that weight.

by Anonymousreply 93August 23, 2015 4:49 AM

R70

Your post hit hard. I'm blessed to be fit, but I have a close cousin that struggles with weight.

Maybe this discussion will help you take a small step to recovery of your mental health, and subsequently your physical health (although I think the two are too interrelated to be effectively separated) and start a small change.

My obese cousin, who also struggled (struggles?) with mental illness (I think we ALL do, to some degree) started eating this diet daily-

2oz 70% dark chocolate

2oz spinach, 2oz broccoli, 2oz red/green peppers

4oz walnuts

Tbsp of honey and Tbsp of coconut oil in coffee every morning

Eating an apple and banana as snacks

Eating some probiotics

And a couple more "super foods" to make up a 1200 calorie diet, and then eating a big regular meal when she wanted. She eats salads (with bacon and ranch and cheese) and burgers and pizza, but only small portions. She always eats the dark chocolate before any meal, since it seems to curb appetite.

She's only lost about 1/3 of her goal, but she is MUCH healthier now. She keeps losing about 4-5 lbs a month, but the change in her physical and mental health is amazing.

I've actually started following parts of her diet (the nuts, vegetables, coconut oil, dark chocolate, etc.) and feel much better.

Good luck, R70!

by Anonymousreply 94August 23, 2015 4:59 AM

And lest we not forget, r64, horizontal stipes are very slimming!

by Anonymousreply 95August 23, 2015 5:01 AM

They're just like alcoholics, but food becomes the enemy here.

The more they eat, the more they gain, and they need far more food to satisfy their need.

by Anonymousreply 96August 23, 2015 5:09 AM

Alcohol nor drugs are a necessity, but food is; that's why as an addiction, it's not like you can just give up food.

by Anonymousreply 97August 23, 2015 5:15 AM

I'm laughing and going to hell with you r44.

by Anonymousreply 98August 23, 2015 5:28 AM

She's too big to roll around in flour so I can find the wet spot.

by Anonymousreply 99August 23, 2015 6:44 AM

I know an ex-firefighter, young guy, who completely destroyed his back and his career in one of these situations, rescuing a 500-lbs person from their apartment.

by Anonymousreply 100August 23, 2015 8:16 AM

[quote] IA that it's all the poison in our food supply that allow a person to get that big.

Iowa? This makes no sense.

by Anonymousreply 101August 23, 2015 8:29 AM

IA = I Agree

by Anonymousreply 102August 23, 2015 9:11 AM

Yes, enabeling by family does happen in cases like this. I hired a home health caregiver for my mother who must have been 450 pounds (the caregiver, not my mother). Her mother made her breakfast each morning-pancakes, bacon or sausage, toast, eggs all in one meal- in huge amounts. For lunch (to tide her over for dinner) she ordered an extra large pizza with the works and gallons of Coke and ate all of it. Then she snacked the rest of the day. If she didn't have the money, her other would bring her lunch, usually leftovers from dinner the night before. Dinner was things like pork chops, meatloaf (both with gravy) potatoes, rolls or bread and, of course, dessert. No vegetables or fruit. I've never seen anybody eat so much food, and her mother helped gain that weight every step of the way. She was in her 40s and her mother still cooked those massive meals for her. Sad, but she seemed somewhat proud of how much she could eat. She happily would tell me what her mother was going to cook her for dinner that night.

Another caregiver was about 400 lbs. She, too, ate massive amounts of food. I started out by making her meals as part of room and board, but the food bills were astronomical. One night I cooked chicken pasta Alfredo. I was tired of cooking huge meals every night, so I decided to make enough to last her for a few days. I cooked it in a soup pot which was filled to the brim. She ate the entire thing in one sitting and wondered why she threw up that night. I finally had to stop with the meals or her. It was costing a fortune and wearing me out trying to cook in huge quantities.

Neither of the women lasted long on their jobs. Their bodies couldn't take it, even though they were excellent caregivers. But, in both cases, I think mental illness was involved. I hired these women because I know what a weight problem is, although I am not overweight. It's always been a struggle to keep to a good weight, and I gain weight so easily. My five-pound weight gain limit works for me. If I gain five pounds, I scale back on the calories and up the exercise. It's not easy. I feel so sorry for these people.

by Anonymousreply 103August 23, 2015 9:25 AM

R102, this is the Datalounge, not kids on Twitter. If you can't be bothered to type out the words, don't post your shit here.

by Anonymousreply 104August 23, 2015 9:48 AM

[quote]So, presumably she'll have to arrange her own transportation back up to her apartment.

...after she stops off at TGI Fridays.

by Anonymousreply 105August 23, 2015 10:18 AM

I would have burned the apartment building down.

by Anonymousreply 106August 23, 2015 11:14 AM

R103 - I hit the first sentence of your second paragraph and stopped reading. You hire nearly incapacitated, morbidly obese women to take care of you elderly, infirm mother? Oy vey.! Are you cheap, sadistic, or both?

by Anonymousreply 107August 23, 2015 11:30 AM

910-pound woman Reveals Life of Pain - "I want to live."

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by Anonymousreply 108August 23, 2015 11:31 AM

This is mental illness

by Anonymousreply 109August 23, 2015 11:38 AM

[quote]I know an ex-firefighter, young guy, who completely destroyed his back and his career in one of these situations, rescuing a 500-lbs person from their apartment.

That's unfortunate, but it's hardly the norm to say emergency responders all get screwed over by fat folks. I recall news articles after Katrina when a doctor literally put patients down instead of waiting for rescue used the excuse of "some of the patients were fat" as a reason why she decided to kill them instead. One of the first responders was interviewed for an article and was told what the doctor had said, and his response was, "We would have gotten them out of there. That's our job." And he was right. Emergency responders are trained in to deal with heavy loads.

by Anonymousreply 110August 23, 2015 12:05 PM

They are going to find out she is really a he. Posts on DL will decrease by 10% because another fat NYC shut in no longer has access to their computer

by Anonymousreply 111August 23, 2015 12:22 PM

[quote]There was some talk of feeders few years ago. How big part are they of the obese community? (If you can call it that.)

In her autobiography, Camryn Manheim talks about feeders as a sexual kink. She was looking for magazines targeted towards larger women and she came across some fetish magazines with ads placed by men looking to fatten up a woman.

by Anonymousreply 112August 23, 2015 12:30 PM

matter is not created out of nothing. NO health condition could have done this, it requires calories.

by Anonymousreply 113August 23, 2015 12:31 PM

[R107] No, neither cheap or sadistic. These were retired nurses or CNAs with years of experience and great references. I takes a lot of muscle to move an elderly person around. Have you been in a retirement home lately and watched them moving a patient in bed? The larger nurses are often called in for this. As to cheap, it cost about $120,000 a year.

[R104] Sorry I didn't pass your typing test. Oh, by the way, you forgot to capitalize the first letter in your post.

by Anonymousreply 114August 23, 2015 12:58 PM

Most CNAs have issues. Except for the ones that are doing it before they train for their RN. Who would wipe ass for $10 an hour? Its either obese slightly mentally ill middle aged women or low class semi criminal people. I always hide any money, credit cards or small valuables when my grandfathers home health aid comes over. One of my grandfathers friends from the senior center had an envelope full of money stolen. He doesn't know if it was the HHA or his loser son who stole it. The obese middle aged women are probably more trust worthy than the young no ambition $10 an hour ass wipers.

****R100 said----I know an ex-firefighter, young guy, who completely destroyed his back and his career in one of these situations, rescuing a 500-lbs person from their apartment. ********--- I know an ex nurse that destroyed her back and her career because of a 500lb patient too. She lives with chronic pain now.

If my upstairs neighbor weighed over 800lbs I would be afraid they would fall through the ceiling and crush me to death.

by Anonymousreply 115August 23, 2015 1:20 PM

From R108's link:

[quote]By the time emergency responders were able to wrap a yellow netting around Bowman and maneuver her outside, a crowd had developed.

[quote]Cruel bystanders began cheering and clapping when rescue workers finally got her through the window and down to the ground by crane.

Perhaps the crowd was cheering and clapping because she had finally been rescued after such a harrowing attempt to do so? Where does the idea of cruelty come in?

by Anonymousreply 116August 23, 2015 1:54 PM

Yea, r110. I knew a girl who told bullshit stories about a doctor who told EMTs that she killed fat patients, but then she died.

by Anonymousreply 117August 23, 2015 2:15 PM

70 years old and 910 pounds? She's the walking dead. Give her an open tab at Quiznos and Jimmy Johns and let her die.

by Anonymousreply 118August 23, 2015 2:16 PM

R100 Emergency responders are in more danger from a intoxicated or violent client than an very obese person (who they see far less often). The risk is a part of their jobs and they are compensated for it.

by Anonymousreply 119August 23, 2015 4:28 PM

R114, obese does not =strong. In fact, quite the opposite.

by Anonymousreply 120August 23, 2015 4:36 PM

[quote]If my upstairs neighbor weighed over 800lbs I would be afraid they would fall through the ceiling and crush me to death.

I would think you'd be more worried about someone dropping a house on you R115.

by Anonymousreply 121August 23, 2015 4:49 PM

[quote]Really how does someone get that big????? Can somebody relate to me? How do they get that big???

For me R91 it was having a mean drunk for a father and a mother who made her kids feel better by feeding them. Not junk food, but fresh home cooked meals. Just way too much food for a kid though. They grew up poor so to them having fat kids meant they were well off financially.

As I grew up and started to realize I was not attracted to girls, and knowing that I was expected to have a GF and get married and have kids, I continued to eat as being fat was the perfect excuse for being single.

But it backfired on me as I always felt depressed and hated myself for being so fat. When I finally decided to lose weight and got down to 200 lbs, my family starred introducing girls to me expecting me to date them. So back I went to overeating.

Then the loneliness sets in because all your siblings and friends are paired up and you're alone, so you turn to food for comfort and you gain even more weight.

I realize now the best thing I could have done for myself was move far away from my family and live my own life. But My mother's biggest fear was that I would leave and she'd be alone with my abusive father. So I never left.

by Anonymousreply 122August 23, 2015 5:02 PM

R70 really hit on it, addiction is an attempt to fill a hole in your soul that cannot be filled.

by Anonymousreply 123August 23, 2015 5:10 PM

[quote]She surely shit directly on a sheet of newspaper by her bed, and peed into the big snout of a watering can. I don't know who would help with that.

I already have enough to do.

by Anonymousreply 124August 23, 2015 5:22 PM

It's amazing how big our portion sizes have gotten over the past few years.

I just cleaned out my mom's old china - from Montgomery Ward, thankyouverymuch and I was startled at how small the plates and bowls are - ESPECIALLY the dessert bowls! The dinner plates are about 1" smaller than my "daily use" dinner plates. It's no wonder people are getting fatter if they are attempting to fill a huge plate with everything they can.

I'm going to start using mom's china - smaller plates, smaller desserts. Can't hurt.

by Anonymousreply 125August 23, 2015 5:37 PM

It's too late. She is not going to live much longer anyway. Might as well just left her there.

by Anonymousreply 126August 23, 2015 5:50 PM

Anyone reaching 300 pounds should be put in some kind of facility for their own good. I would think most would appreciate it, since it would help save their lives. The would be kept there and put no some kind of programado to teach them a more healthy way of living.

by Anonymousreply 127August 23, 2015 6:03 PM

^ I have watched a tv program on that. Most if not all of the people will have to leave the clinic/facility so make room for newer patients. Despite what they are taught, as soon as they get home, they will resume their destructive life style and balloon up again. There's an uncontrollable need to eat constantly. It's like how drug addicts are addicted to poisons despite repeated detox. So far the only way is to staple their stomach so little of that food gets digested.

by Anonymousreply 128August 23, 2015 6:16 PM

Awhile back, there was a thread here on DL about the TLC series, My 600 Lb. Life. The thread was a little more compassionate than I would have expected, so I watched several episodes on TLC, and they were an eye-opener.

Most of the subjects (there was one notable exception who was truly delusional) were very self-aware and ashamed about their size, and quite articulate about it. Many had been victims of sexual abuse. They wanted to change but felt hopeless and trapped by their size, so food was both their prison and their comfort.

It was very, very sad and really changed my perspective.

Even after they had surgery, most of them still struggled terribly to get the weight off. Some succeeded, some didn't. Many of them had family caregivers who were also obese, so the weight issues weren't confined just to the subject. The unhealthy relationship to food was ingrained in the family dynamic.

Having seen these shows, I'll never be as judgmental as I used to be.

by Anonymousreply 129August 23, 2015 6:18 PM

Perhaps someone with a medical background or even someone who has/had weight problems can answer this, but how can people be so overweight, even to the point of severe obesity, but have no medical problems? I've seen this a few times on shows on TLC, etc where people have no heart problems, diabetes, etc. The worst they have is problems with their legs supporting the excess weight.

by Anonymousreply 130August 23, 2015 6:24 PM

People who are too big to be carried out the door likely haven't left their home for years. They are usually on their bed all the time with no cloth on because nothing will fit. I am not sure how they go to bathrooms. Anyway, the point is, these people don't seem to get any medical care until they are gravely ill.

by Anonymousreply 131August 23, 2015 6:31 PM

I saw on one of these shows a homely very fat man. He somehow managed to lose his enormous extra weight and damn if that man didn't turn out to be a very handsome guy.

Most of us would give anything to have those kind of looks.

Then he went and gained all that weight back! When they interviewed him at the end he was in total disbelief that he did that to himself again.

You think you can cheat but eating is a drug for these people. There are consequences for going off the wagon.

If I could have all the hot sex I wanted or eat all the food I loved to my heart's content with no weight gain I'd go for the food.

by Anonymousreply 132August 23, 2015 6:39 PM

R132 are you thinking of "The 600 Pound Virgin" guy? He had serious mental issues; when he was a teenager his fantasy was to go out to the desert and fill a pool with gasoline and then set himself on fire hoping his screams would be heard all over his city. Anyone who thinks about suicide like that will not immediately feel better after losing weight.

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by Anonymousreply 133August 23, 2015 6:44 PM

I think most of these grossly obese people have mental/psychological issues. That's why it's nearly impossible to cure them.

by Anonymousreply 134August 23, 2015 7:46 PM

I feel bad for her, when you read about everything she's been through.. it's obvious she's got some major trauma from her son passing, and losing so many family members in such a short time.

by Anonymousreply 135August 23, 2015 8:01 PM

I honestly believe genetics has everything to do with people who reach absurdly high weights.

When I was 58, I realized that I had finally lost my looks, and that there would be no further romance or sexual attraction for me. Not that there aren't men who would be interested in a very average 58 year old woman, but after a lifetime of being accustomed to desirable, handsome men, I just have zero desire to fuck just to fuck.

So I decided that I would at last be able to indulge my cravings for delicious foods of which I had deprived myself for so many years.. There were no rules: I would eat whatever I chose, whenever I chose to do so. Everything from 3 star Michelin dinners to salty crap snacks and patisserie delights. My weekly grocery bill tripled, but that was of no concern to me considering the fortune I would be saving on clothing and beauty costs.

Four years later, I am still living the dream. Yes, I did gain some weight of course. I am 5'9 and I went from 136 to 170. But at 170 I stopped gaining weight. I literally reached a plateau and that was that. You cannot tell me that the sad woman in the photo consumes more calories than I in any given day. I drink 3-5 Cokes(can) per day, and I do not even think about calories or health issues. I think I was just lucky to have inherited good genes which serve to control my weight in a way that her's does not. I am positive that someday way in the future scientists/researchers/doctors will lean that morbidly obese people have more issues causing their obesity than simply overeating.

by Anonymousreply 136August 23, 2015 10:15 PM

Biology has a lot to do w/ eating disorders and weight issues. I have the opposite "problem" - every time I eat sweets my stomach hurts, so I have to keep the sugar level really low or else I suffer from indigestion. Refined starches also give me constipation, so I avoid them too. I had been eating "healthy" unknowingly way before I learned about the harm of sugar and refined carbs. Also, whenever I am depressed I lose appetite. As a result I am never overweight, even though I can eat like a horse. My biggest concern is how to gain weight. It's probably as difficult as losing weight for most of the obese people.

by Anonymousreply 137August 23, 2015 11:19 PM

I'll always remember a show I saw on TLC called "Half-Ton Teen." It was about two teenage boys, one white, one African-American, both morbidly obese. The African-American boy wanted weight loss surgery, but could not be considered for it until he got down to a certain weight. One scene showed a burger in his BED; it was just there, in his bed. It seemed like he was serious about wanted to lose weight and get the surgery, but then it was revealed that he'd been sneaking candy bars and the like. Admonished by his doctor he got pissed off, saying something like "I don't give a (expletive) what he says." I don't know if TLC ever did a follow-up on him. But they did one on Billy Robbins, the white teenager who weighed around 800 pounds. His atrocious mother, who had lost a son earlier and therefore was doubly attached to her beloved Billy, was the enabler of all time. She brought cartloads of food to take back to her baby boy, who lay around all day in his bed, watching tv and playing video games. She would say to this 18 year old "You hungies?" He was able to get weight loss surgery and had yards of fat hacked off of him. Emotionally he was around nine years old, a spoiled baby who would cry when he didn't get his way. There was on follow-up I remember TLC doing on him; he was by then 400 pounds and still had the mentality of a small, spoiled boy. Mental health professionals in the specials said he would have to get away from his mother if he was ever to have anything approaching an independent life. I wonder how poor Billy Robbins is doing now? I imagine he's still with him Mom. "My mom takes care of me", he said in one of the specials. "She my best friend." Yech!

by Anonymousreply 138August 24, 2015 12:37 AM

Whose going to pay for the cost of putting all of the three hundred pounds+ people into facilities?

And, BTW, when I was an ass wiper, I was making$16.74 dollars per hour, back in 2012, and had great benefits. That's damn good money for attending a two month training program. I was also required to take a state exam in order to become a certified NA.

CNAs are not all a bunch of stupid, obese lazy people who lack ambition, r115. Some never go any further because they just can't afford to. There is NOTHING wrong with making this your career. Mpost people wouldn't last a day in this job.

I'm one of the lucky ones who was able to continue my education. I am now an RN, and currently attend classes to become a physician's assistant.

Please share with us r115........what noble profession are you in besides sel-proclaimed psychiatrist and career counselor?

by Anonymousreply 139August 24, 2015 12:45 AM

R138 he's still morbidly obese.

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by Anonymousreply 140August 24, 2015 12:51 AM

For a person to become genuinely supermorbidly obese, there must be a combination of genetic, familial, and psychological factors at work. Yes, some people gain weight more easily than others, nature intended some us to be lean, or beefy, or plump, and we all know people who are perfectly healthy even if they aren't fashionably slim (and slim people who are unhealthy). For a person to eat themselves into immobility there has to be a genetic component, something in the brain that doesn't turn off when the stomach is full, or a built-in sensitivity to the ingredients in processed foods that are designed to make us want more more MORE.

A person who eats themselves into immobility must be genetically disposed to gain easily, too depressed or mentally ill to stop before they pass the brink, and involved with someone who will keep feeding them into helplessness and beyond. Sadly, medicine (and medical insurance) has offered nothing to these people but bariatric surgery, so the mental aspects of eating one's self to death still aren't understood, and most of the world just wants to punish these wretched souls "for the sin of being fat". While I despise TLC as a modern fucking freak show, I hope shows like "My 600 Lb. Life" will result in some research being done, and maybe better treatment will be available in the future. And maybe medical insurance will start paying for family counseling, because that's obviously a component. Why do all the young people relapse when they get home? Because they're back with their feeder, that's why.

by Anonymousreply 141August 24, 2015 1:04 AM

Great post, R141. I'm a personal trainer and family support is notoriously crucial in people's quests to get fit. In PT training you're actually taught to carefully assess what that situation is like for the client as a marker of likelihood of success or commitment to the program they want to do.

It makes sense in retrospect but initially it surprised me how, in many cases, the families of morbidly obese people actively and aggressively sabotage their attempts at changing their lives, either by guilting them about the cost or how much time it's taking ("AWAY FROM THE CHIRRUN!!! THINK OF THE CHIRRUN!") or doing the "this one time won't kill you" thing (cheating on diets, skipping a gym day and so on) or myriad other ways. Unfortunately, people regularly cave to this kind of pressure.

One of my first clients was a really lovely, smart and otherwise successful AfAm lady who was 80 lbs overweight and totally out of shape. As she lost the weight, her husband got more and more negative toward her new lifestyle changes. They ended up divorcing because she was smart enough to see that her being fat, sedentary and unhappy benefited him by making him the successful together one in the relationship, and he'd been enabling it all along. But most people don't have that strength of character or confidence.

by Anonymousreply 142August 24, 2015 1:16 AM

How much fried chicken and grape drink does one need to consume to get up to 800 lbs?

by Anonymousreply 143August 24, 2015 3:36 AM

R143, that was HILARIOUS and so fresh and original

Fucking lame idiot.

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by Anonymousreply 145August 24, 2015 4:18 AM

What do you do with the fat slobs when they die. Dig a huge hole? Cremate them? What are the risks of a grease fire of that magnitude?

by Anonymousreply 146August 24, 2015 5:13 PM

[quote]What are the risks of a grease fire of that magnitude?

Why don't you get close and let us know R146?

by Anonymousreply 147August 24, 2015 5:23 PM

If you want an interesting read, google Celesta Herrmann.

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by Anonymousreply 148August 24, 2015 5:55 PM

They're saying the woman weighs not 800 pounds....she weighs 910! Incredible. I really don't feel sorry for people who eat themselves silly and turn into blobs.

by Anonymousreply 149August 24, 2015 10:50 PM

Obviously they had their fingers on the scale R149.

by Anonymousreply 150August 24, 2015 11:39 PM

R148

Cool. Losing weight isn't hard if you try.

Victims who claim biology are just weak.

by Anonymousreply 151August 25, 2015 1:13 AM

Losing weight is simple - eat less, move more - but it's sure as fuck not easy.

by Anonymousreply 152August 25, 2015 3:06 AM

You're weak R151. Weak in the head.

by Anonymousreply 153August 25, 2015 5:07 AM

God I hate losing weight. It is utter agony.

And I adore food. When I'm eating I'm like a small child at its' happiest.

I really feel for these people. It is not simply keeping your mouth shut. There are so many psychological and physical factors at play.

The torment is really unendurable.

I could eat a large pizza every night or alternate with take out Chinese. I don't but I wish I could.

by Anonymousreply 154August 26, 2015 2:26 AM

Thanks for the info, r63.

by Anonymousreply 155August 28, 2015 4:05 PM

R154 You need to find another thing that gives you joy. Is there nothing else in your life that can give you joy and keep your mind of eating? In my case I paint/draw, or play board games with friends. I can do these activities for hours without thinking of food. Try to find something like that.

by Anonymousreply 156August 28, 2015 4:22 PM

[quote] God I hate losing weight. It is utter agony. And I adore food. When I'm eating I'm like a small child at its' happiest.

I love eating as well since it makes me happy. But I don't mind losing weight really because it feels nice to get it off. I've never been obese, though. At most I've been 60 lbs overweight, and I've managed to lose all that fat rather easily three times during the past 10 years. When you eat light and excercise a lot it just makes you feel better in almost every way. Whenever I lose weight I also notice my sex drive gets stronger. I feel much sexier touching myself and feeling muscles instead of fat. Now that I'm over 40 I feel the change in the boners as well although that might come more from the overall mental state of feeling sexier.

It's really important to enjoy what you eat when losing weight. I eat loads of fruits with yoghurt and other dairy products or with high quality nuts. You absolutely need to get enough good fats from oils and nuts since if you don't you'll just start feeling terrible at some point.

Unfortunately it seems I always end up getting fat again but that's life. At least I get rid of it once in a while.

by Anonymousreply 157August 28, 2015 4:37 PM

Unfortunately it seems I always end up ____________ again but that's life.

robbing banks

getting fat

taking loads

running up debts

drinking too much

buying too much

blowing it at the racetrack

by Anonymousreply 158August 28, 2015 4:48 PM

Does anyone remember that morbidly obese 4-year old featured on Dr. Phil? He was so fat he could barely walk and his mother at some point admitted that she was keeping him that way so he wouldn't grow up and leave her as the father did. She was fat too. The meals she and grandma cooked the kid were unbelievable. Adult sized portions of spaghetti, sodas, a pack of rolls. Then ice cream and cookies every time he whined of which he learned to do a lot because Mommy was such a needy nutcase she couldn't say no to her little dumpling.

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by Anonymousreply 159August 28, 2015 4:53 PM

R158, ha ha, yeah. What can I say, there aren't any great reasons for me to stay fit all the time so I just let go at some point after I've reached 160 lbs. I've had trouble with my knees a lot the past few years which is the biggest reason I drop the excercising as well but mostly that happens because I've never been a big fan of excercising, even if it does feel so good.

by Anonymousreply 160August 28, 2015 5:06 PM

Well there are a number of things I enjoy doing but they don't give me the intense pleasure of the food I love such as homemade ice cream and great pizza.

I stay away from these things mind you because I don't like a thickening waistline but I can't say I don't miss them.

by Anonymousreply 161August 28, 2015 6:59 PM

On her iPod? "Fat" by Weird Al, of course.

by Anonymousreply 162August 28, 2015 7:26 PM

Holy SHIT there is more than one 2015 Bump troll.

by Anonymousreply 164May 3, 2020 12:49 AM

R163 - stop bumping shit from 5 years ago! Find some new stuff and new threads. Who cares about this??

by Anonymousreply 165May 3, 2020 12:50 AM

They are bumping because they want to push threads they don't want seen further down the viewing list.

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