Occult Hollywood and Mary Astor's Weird, Horrible Family

I knew there something not quite right about her.

R1 Give her a break, Katie. She had to climb out a window of her own mansion, in the middle of the night, to get away from her wacko parents.

Is this the one who was told to build a house but not finish it?

"In 1539 the Knight Templars of Malta, paid tribute to Charles V of Spain, by sending him a Golden Falcon encrusted from beak to claw with rarest jewels—but pirates seized the galley carrying this priceless token and the fate of the Maltese Falcon remains a mystery to this day —"

R3 I thought that was Sarah Winchester?

But I don't know my Joneses from my Astors!

R6 Well, she was a fake Astor but an odd stage name choice, just the same. I'm sure it was chosen to make it seem like she was tied to the famous, Astor bloodline, which was also known for being a major Occultist family.

Yeah, you're right, R5. That was Winchester.

R7 ...but I think it was chosen to make her look like an elegant, rebellious heir.

R6 Shirley Jones, another casting couch find.

Okay, R5, help me out on this one...who was the rocket scientist, literally, who was into the occult and ended up blowing himself up? He tried to create the antichrist with Hubtard, I think?

R7 needs to lay off the commas!

[11] Jack Parsons.

R12 How dare you! That's an Oxford Comma, PEASANT!

R13 Thanks!

Oxford commas should come with a trigger warning.

Modern Disney honoring of Illuminati (just the graphic designers? Maybe it's a RISD thing?):

R16 The comma is the trigger warning.

And thanks, R13. Weird guy

That's not an Oxford comma after "famous" in r7, and it shouldn't be there ("famous Astor bloodline" is correct). All of r7's other commas, however, are fine—examplary, even!

*exEmplary*

90's Hollywood cult/commune kids:

Rose McGowan River, Joaquin and Summer Phoenix Winona Ryder

R20 I was trying to emphasize my exasperation. It was stage direction.

R23 Kidding!

This is music industry stuff; Beiber's "Believe" tattoo and Brittany Spears' "Believe" perfume? Coincidence?

I think not.

Numerologists rule Hollywood.

Fashion is obsessed, as well.

Tragic abuse.

Either it's intentional or a lazy, photographer trope:

R29 ****

OP, are you that fucking crazy porn star/escort blackmailer?

****

R31 No but he sounds exciting!

Kabbalah is based on the same mysticism. No one's hiding that, though. Madonna talked for years about her devotion to it.

Honestly, though it could be that a handful of professors at a few schools, taught their photography students the same, tired poses.

R26=Mr. Merriweather. We're all odd, aren't we?

[quote]Hollywood: The pre-programmed children from cults companies can't wait to exploit, the stage parents selling-out, the casting couch hierarchy, the Illuminati symbols, everywhere.

LOL!!

R36 Some more than others.

What other old Hollywood stars were connected to the occult?

R37 Poor Corey. Who do you think the industry head who abused him, was? I've heard some suggestions.

R39 Most of the heads of the studios were but it's hard to say which of their underlings just went along, to get along.

Nickelodeon, though the "Eye of Horus" imagery might just be used to imply mystery, hypnotism, etc:

It's hard to say which imagery is just a nod to Old Hollywood and its early fixations on exoticism and after the Egyptiana trends following the discovery of Tutankhamun's tomb in 1922. Fashion, fragrance, decor, etc. was all influenced by it.

Theda Bara in era perfect role, Cleopatra:

More 1920's Tutankhamun craze:

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

You in danger, girl!

R46 It's not moisture doing it? Someone standing on a board under the container?

I'm not sure I believe in the mystical aspect of this stuff. Hollywood does, though.

For those who like their celebrities social and/or political, here's Gloria Steinem throwing an Illuminati sign.

Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was a genuine Eugenicist. Eugenics was a fascination of the period, obviously most famously associated with The Jesuit Templar, the supposed inspiration for Hitler. I'm not saying Steinem supports Hitler but her admiration of Sanger may have lead her to develop a respect for the Occultist origins of Eugenics.

Many intellectuals are fascinated by the search for knowledge associated with Occult belief systems and Luciferism, even if they don't respect the Christian interpretation of the figure of Lucifer. Middle Eastern Yazidis also have a different interpretation of the figure of Lucifer, based on similar mysticism. Rockefeller center showing Prometheus is an Occultist ode to Luciferism, the "light bearer of knowledge". Rockefeller was a follower of it and believed society should be socially engineered based on its principles.

Back to movies: Hitler also loved "Metropolis" for its Occult imagery but he seemed to have missed the entire point of the film, where elites abuse regular workers and bully people with rare talents and beauty, to manipulate the masses for them.

R49 "Metropolis" was actually a warning against people like Hitler.

I'm not saying this is a master plot, as much as a belief system that is attractive to those who work in mass media.

It's also important to note, that romanticism of ancient mythology and mysteries was a popular theme in Edwardian pop culture and that lead into early cinema.

R51 People who work in mass media arts, work in the language of symbols and Occultism is heavily dependent upon symbolism and symbolic interaction-ism, which is probably why there is such a following of it in the arts industries.

R53 Some believe in the figurative magic of symbols to influence the masses; some believe in the actual magic of it.

Newsflash -- the occult is fake.

That's right, kids.

Just like Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Greek and Roman mythology, Druidism, Satanism, Zoroastrianism, Shintoism, Jainism, Aztec and Mayan mythology, Slender Man, Boogie Man, Santa Claus, Easter Bunny and the Perfect Wave, occultism is made-up shit.

It can't hurt you. Unless you are a paranoid schizophrenic who thinks occult people are stalking you. If this happens to be so, then --- don't let them get you! Just take matters into your OWN hands and kill yourself now.

R55 You think I'm worried about The Occult? I don't believe crystals have powers (none that register for humans, anyhow). Human beings, however, do.

Clean up your act, Hollywood. Stop the initiation ceremonies.

Hollywood is full of so many dummies that if you told them that throwing a few diamond and one-eye signs would help their careers and look "cool" to those in the know they'd follow in droves. Just like they do

R58 Sad. They should explain to them what these signs represent. Just as actors, stars should have the choice to be associated with certain brands or organizations before signing a contract, so should they be informed about what signs they are being told to make.

I'm sure most are just told to "hold your hand over your eye" or whatever, while industry heads enjoy their inside joke or signal that the minions are all in line.

More than half of the posts in this thread are missing for me. I only opened it because I figured it was yet another stupid fucking thread from that monumental cunt - DUHvida Witchiepooshoes. Her quest to lose herself in fantasies, delusions and lies is never-ending.

She's found people to join her in this bullshit. Poor things.

Oranges poranges

R60 No, I'm not "Witchipoo" nor do I know who that is.

Seeing Hollywood and the entertainment industries use these signs, does not mean I believe they have mystical power. It's like people who throw gang signs, having no idea what they mean: Are these stars informed, willing participants or innocent people being tricked into doing something they don't realize they're doing?

R62 These are not random, ambiguous signs; these are very, specific symbols associated with a particular ideology. It's like if someone makes The Sign of The Cross; you'd probably assume they're Catholic or Christian, right?

Do you think it's ethical to possibly trick someone into making the sign of the cross in videos, stage performances and photos? What if they had no idea it was religious messaging and it meant something specific to a religion? Shouldn't people have the choice -- of their free will -- whether or not their image is associated with something like that?

Someone upthread mentioned Nickelodeon--and lets include Disney too. Producing shows and movies and theme parks--all with these signs scattered throughout. I never believed in subliminal suggestion--but when you're young, who needs sublimation? Just copy the kids on TV and movies you like. Wear what they wear (the sexuality of some of these kids is scary), and do what they do.

Even if you don't believe in the occult, or the "Illuminati", or any of the topics upthread--you can't deny the corruption of today's kids via these channels. Think about it--was any of what's standard today even around for teens 20-30 years ago?

It reminds me of a Terry Pratchett book, Carpe Jugulum, where the vampire family is merrily going about their business without being injured by religious symbols until Granny Weatherwax puts it into their heads that symbols have power and they are everywhere. What used to be just a four-paned window is suddenly a cross etc., and they are defeated by the idea that symbols are powerful even though the symbols themselves are just everyday things. Headology.

If you look hard enough you can see a face in the flames and a conspiracy in the awkwardly "cool" poses of attention seeking famewhores.

R64 "Bratz"! Even the name was awful. I get that it could be joke, "Easter Eggs" put in by creators but I don't like that kind of mocking manipulation. If you saying you're making something for kids, at least stay honest about it.

(I don't really buy the 6's on the Disney signature in the image below, though)

R65 No. These aren't clouds or a burnt pancake, these are symbols created by human beings who are also graphic artists and mass media experts. Some might think it's a joke -- look, outsmarting the mindless masses! -- but some do take it seriously.

[quote] Are these stars informed, willing participants or innocent people being tricked into doing something they don't realize they're doing?

Why do you care? These "signs" are meaningless. They have no power, any more than V for victory or the peace sign or the sign against the evil eye.

[quote] If you look hard enough you can see a face in the flames and a conspiracy in the awkwardly "cool" poses of attention seeking famewhores.

Yeahhhhhhhh

Here comes the cukoo.

Ff time

R66, I don't either. And the problem with reaches like.that is that it buries what could be real evidence of a real problem and results in reactions like r70's, who assumes a thread like this is full of loony ideas. When it isn't

Agreed. F&F's for every frau-twat in this thread. Did NONE of these people have parents who sent them to a decent college? The level of ignorance is shocking.

R69 you think it's cuckoo to say those finding meaningless symbols in everyday stuff are imagining it?

Definitely the southern witch, aka witchipoo

Is witchipoo the Las Vegas nut job -- she who must not be named?

Yes she is, R75, the batshit crazy cunt herself, continuing her fascination with any fucked up theory that has no bearing on, or relation to, real life.

Her real life is too painful for her to face. If she wasn't such a nasty low-rent cunt I'd feel sorry for her.

I didn't know she witchipoo and the cloooney stalker were the same person!

Yes they are and she is usually the OP on Bigfoot, UFOs, What conspiracy theory do you believe, What murders haunt you, What's the spookiest thing. Why do British actors get to work here, What's your favorite this that or the other, Everyone hates Hillary/Obama/Bill/Anyone not a rabid Republithug, Trump said blah blah blah, and a lot of shitty threads she steals from other sites like Reddit, CDaN, etc etc etc.

All the crazy shit that has no basis in reality and distracts her from her actual life is what she's into - for obvious reasons.

I was wondering if this was the poster referred to as Witchiepoo when I saw this thread a bit earlier.

R70/R72 are you two the fucking asshats that have been FFing posts left and right because you don't agree? You don't like the post then hit IGNORE, you fucktards. The rest of us don't want censured threads becuase you are special twatty snowflakes. I joe you eventually get banned for pulling that shit.

There's another guy who's even better at spotting her threads and bullshit posts than I am, he's never wrong.

Actually, I've been a few threads lately where you fucking asshats have been wrong and derailed good threads claiming people are Dumbvita. Hit the fucking ignore button and ALL posts by the same poster will disappear from your list and will spare the rest of us your goddamn bullshit witch hunt.

Do you believe in ghosts? Do you believe in the supernatural? Tell us if you've been haunted! What are your favorite eerie stories? Tell us MORE eerie stories of the supernatural! Tell us your favorite murder stories AGAIN, and AGAIN,

Is that her?

She has OCD in addition to other problems. She's so persistent, like an annoying child you're forced to babysit for free. "Tell me MORE scary stories! Draw the picture of the zodiac killer again! Put the BAG on his head! Draw the cross in the bulls eye! Doooooo ittttttt!"

[quote] are you the two fucking asshats who have been ff ing posts left and right

1.) Dear flyover person -- asses don't wear HATS. "Asshat" is a television phrase used in place of "asshole," like "butthead" is a television word used for "shithead." This is Datalounge, not television. Grow up.

2) Only two people use ff? Really? They must be awfully powerful figures if it only takes two people to get a line through a post. Or maybe.....they're using the occult for satanic purposes! Maybe they hold one hand up in front of an eye while they ff and Pssssshhhht! Post vanishes.

Cool

But wait......do they even KNOW what sign they're making? Or do they just copy the gestures of satanically-manipulated media people they admire, not knowing the meaning behind the symbol!

Hey asshat @R84. The definition of asshat was created with you in mind.

Oh wow! An anonymous person gave a definition to a TV euphemism. That's proof, all right!

And this anonymous person's definition for "fecking" would be.....?

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Question: [bold] Why do TV writers have actors saying words like "jackhole" and "asshat" when "jerk" or "dirtbag" sound less silly and are words people actually say in real life? [/bold]

Answer: James H. KellyJames H. Kelly, WGA screenwriter currently coding...

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It depends on the character. Some people say jerk or dirtbag, others say jackhole or asshat (I'm a fan of asshat myself). [bold] The latter two are substitutes for asshole which doesn't get past the censors.[/bold]

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"Ass clown" is another TV euphemism for asshole. These words were made up by TV writers to get past censors and were picked up by TV viewers who thought they were actual words.. It's a case of life imitating "art." Like when Rowan and Martin said "You bet your bippy" instead of "You bet your ass." It entered into the vernacular for a while and then disappeared, while the original "you bet your ass" is still around.

Hey asshat, you must really really be bothered by the occult or stalking the Op because this is the only thread you are posting in and you are doing nothing but shitting all over it.

You can ignore whole threads if they are going to trigger your insanity or is it that you just like to piss on things?

Asshat is traced to Raising Arizona, City Slickers and That 70s Show.

There is absolutely no, justifiable reason why I should have been banned from responding and it's incredibly immature that a handful of you are running around, getting people booted just because you personally don't want to see their threads.

I'm not "witchiepoo" or whoever else you think I am nor is there anything particularly offensive or horrific about this thread. Eye-rolling to some, perhaps but we're just discussing the topic not purposefully abusing DL. Cut it out.

Some of the most innocuous/inane posts on this thread are being FF'd, what gives? Yet one up-threader exhorted someone to kill themselves, and it's allowed to stand?

R92 I don't get it. It's become a real problem on here. If someone thinks a thread is silly or distasteful, why can't they just ignore it? If enough people just ignore it, no one will be discussing on the board, anyway and it will just fade away.

I don't understand this. FF makes no sense. It only takes a couple of control freaks to ruin things for everyone. DL is resembling a totalitarian state.

R92 I'm #56, saying I don't believe in Occult power, but I do believe PEOPLE, human beings, have power. I was banned, yet this person at #55 (who probably got me banned) was able to continue posting:

"...It can't hurt you. Unless you are a paranoid schizophrenic who thinks occult people are stalking you. If this happens to be so, then --- don't let them get you! Just take matters into your OWN hands and kill yourself now."

I wanted to read about Mary Astor and her abusive, fucked-up family.

R95 Here's a quickie:

R43 Kind of creepy/cool. Thanks.