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Marissa Janae Johnson doesn’t ‘give a f*ck’ if protest at Seattle Bernie Sanders rally drives people away

Monday, 24-year-old Black Lives Matter protester Marissa Janae Johnson told Elon James White and Imani Gandi of This Week in Blackness that she doesn’t “give a fuck” if her strident interruption of a Bernie Sanders rally in Seattle has hurt her cause in the eyes of white people.

Last Sunday, Johnson and fellow Black Lives Matter of Seattle protester Mara Jacqeline Willaford disrupted a rally in support of Medicaid expansion in Washington state as Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) was getting up to speak. When the two women grabbed the microphone and screamingly insisted they were being reasonable by refusing to let the rally proceed, Sanders left the stage.

The stunt has left many on the left at odds. Johnson and Willaford’s supporters claim that the two women are acting with the urgency required in a situation where black people’s lives and bodies are being destroyed by police on a daily basis.

Critics say that the interruption amounted to little more than a clownish tantrum that drove as many people away from the Black Lives Matter cause as it could have attracted.

Johnson says she doesn’t care, ultimately, whether the tactics are alienating.

“I feel good,” she said by phone. “I helped launch a national conversation around race and electoral politics and respectability that’s still going strong two days later. I could not be better.”

Going after Bernie Sanders is “super important,” Johnson said, because “Sanders is supposed to be as far left and progressive as you can possibly get and in Seattle’s political context? I know that really, really well, right? We have hordes and hordes of white liberals and white progressives and yet we still have all the same racial problems. So for us locally in our context, confronting Sanders was the equivalent of confronting the large, white, liberal Democrat leftist contingent that we have here in Seattle who not only has not supported BLM in measurable ways but is often very harmful and is upholding the white supremacist society that we live in.”

Johnson said she and her group have not disrupted any Hillary rallies because “Hillary has better Secret Service than Obama.”

“She’s doing these private dinners that are invite-only,” agreed Gandi. “It’s positively ludicrous for people to think that these activists would not be protesting Hillary if they could get to her.”

“The work that I do in particular is agitation work,” Johnson said, when asked why she never contacted the Sanders campaign to ask for a spot in the rally’s program. “People are having these conversations, people are forced to do their own work and do their own reforms because of work that I’ve done on the ground.”

“Well, what would you say to the people who say that you’re hurting your cause?” White asked.

“I don’t give a fuck about the white gaze,” Johnson replied. “I don’t. I literally don’t.”

When asked about her admission that she once supported former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R), Johnson explained that her parents, an interracial couple, are Tea Party supporters and that she was a supporter of the former vice presidential candidate when she was a high schooler in 2008.

“Clearly that’s not where I am, because people leave high school and go to college and [change their views],” she explained, adding that she was a “devout evangelical Christian.”

“So, yes, I did run up there and confront Bernie Sanders because of my religious conviction, absolutely. Are they right-wing religious convictions? No.”

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by Anonymousreply 111March 19, 2021 3:39 PM

I can't believe this dumb bitch. Typical Tumblr sjw.

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by Anonymousreply 1August 11, 2015 11:09 PM

But any white progressives are really fun to poke. See R1 s example

by Anonymousreply 2August 11, 2015 11:15 PM

BLACK MILLENNIALS

Cultural Empowerment for Black 20somethings

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by Anonymousreply 3August 11, 2015 11:15 PM

But she doesn't have the balls to appear at a Republican event. She's a coward.

by Anonymousreply 4August 11, 2015 11:17 PM

Well, the responses I've seen has likely hurt the Democratic cause in the eyes of black people. I thoroughly expect Republicans to exploit this and use it to their advantage.

by Anonymousreply 5August 11, 2015 11:19 PM

Good luck to her if a Repug gets the presidency.

by Anonymousreply 6August 11, 2015 11:19 PM

Yikes. Kind of tone deaf - can you see why BLM singled out the Bern?

R5, this is the response of Bernie's supporters. Clinton and O'Malley offered a much better response.

by Anonymousreply 7August 11, 2015 11:21 PM

They went to a Clinton rally but Clinton wouldn't even let them in the door. She had her security thugs escort them away.

by Anonymousreply 8August 11, 2015 11:25 PM

My thought is that up to 20% of African-Americans will vote for Trump if he's the nominee.

by Anonymousreply 9August 11, 2015 11:26 PM

Thwe REAL Seattle BLM movement disavowed these two and apologized to Sanders. These two set up shop the day before the Sanders rally.

by Anonymousreply 10August 11, 2015 11:27 PM

Yes r7 but they are still Democrats who identify as progressives and liberals. The fact that they can turn so quickly and attack an entire community for the actions of two people is not good for the party as a whole. Republicans have already been pushing the meme that blacks are worse off under Obama and blaming the recent uprisings on Obama and Democratic policies, so they are sitting back grinning over this and will definitely exploit it. Therefore, even if it's just Bernie supporters it could hurt the party. I haven't read what Hillary or O'Mailey said about it but I hope they made a strong and forceful statement and didn't shy away from it.

by Anonymousreply 11August 11, 2015 11:31 PM

[quote]Well, the responses I've seen has likely hurt the Democratic cause in the eyes of black people.

Only those black people who are racists idiots. Like those who won't hear a bad word said about O.J., Michael Jackson, and Bill Cosby, no matter what.

by Anonymousreply 12August 11, 2015 11:38 PM

Time may tell, but at the moment something doesn't add up. She's actually damaging the movement she claims to represent.

by Anonymousreply 13August 11, 2015 11:42 PM

Yes because it makes a black person a racist idiot for not appreciating being maligned, denigrated, and assaulted with bigotry due to the actions of two people they don't even know. Good lord.

by Anonymousreply 14August 11, 2015 11:45 PM

She needs to attack cunts like Trump not BS. Yes Trump has fucked black girls but he has little time for them if they are not supermodels.

by Anonymousreply 15August 11, 2015 11:53 PM

Bernie's campaign is cooked. You just have to hope that his supporters( who should have had the common sense to make it about the actions of the two women and not the entire black community) haven't hurt the other two candidates. The nominee is going to have to heal a fractured party. And I agree that the Republicans are absolutely loving this.

by Anonymousreply 16August 12, 2015 12:01 AM

Bernie's fans are throwing the n-bomb left and right today.

by Anonymousreply 17August 12, 2015 12:01 AM

She doesn't give a fuck? How very Flavor of Love of her!

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by Anonymousreply 18August 12, 2015 12:02 AM

What black girls did Trump fuck? On HHoward Stern he said he wasn't attracted to Rihanna nor Beyonce.

by Anonymousreply 19August 12, 2015 12:03 AM

[quote]Bernie's fans are throwing the n-bomb left and right today.

Link, please.

by Anonymousreply 20August 12, 2015 12:05 AM

Some people think Hillary is sending these protestors to Bernie Sanders rallies. Black lives matters was funded heavily by George Soros-- a friend and supporter of the Clintons. This might sound like a wacky conspiracy, but it was discovered last week that Trump got a call from the Clintons. He was a friend of them too. Maybe Hillary is so desperate to e president, that she is willing to use plants. A story just came out today that she bought some twitter followers. Really strange.

by Anonymousreply 21August 12, 2015 12:13 AM

I don't think Hillary gave $ to this group, but they will in the future. Also Hillary won't let them into her own rallies, which says a lot.

by Anonymousreply 22August 12, 2015 12:34 AM

We need a class act like Sista Souljah to step up to the plate and be a keynote speaker.

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by Anonymousreply 23August 12, 2015 12:43 AM

bleach to the whole situation

by Anonymousreply 24August 12, 2015 2:47 AM

These "Black Lives Matter" bitches are such evil, cold characters! They know nothing except contempt for white people, and are too dumb to not attack the single candidate whose life-long voting record best matches their goals. Chris Hayes had one on and she was a sneering, smug cunt, and had simplistic yet sassy answers to his questions. She didn't seem very smart at all. I hate these people now.

by Anonymousreply 25August 12, 2015 4:55 AM

there's a better way.

by Anonymousreply 26August 12, 2015 5:27 AM

[quote]The REAL Seattle BLM movement disavowed these two and apologized to Sanders. These two set up shop the day before the Sanders rally.

Actually, the 16 year old girl who created a Black Lives Matter Facebook page with the apology on it was forced to take down the apology and then rename her page. That's why you can't link to the apology you're talking about; it no longer exists. But you can link to the real Black Lives Matter FB page for Seattle.

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by Anonymousreply 27August 12, 2015 5:45 AM

[quote] These "Black Lives Matter" bitches are such evil, cold characters! They know nothing except contempt for white people, and are too dumb to not attack the single candidate whose life-long voting record best matches their goals.

Did you miss this part:

[quote] When asked about her admission that she once supported former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R), Johnson explained that her parents, an interracial couple, are Tea Party supporters and that she was a supporter of the former vice presidential candidate when she was a high schooler in 2008.

by Anonymousreply 28August 12, 2015 6:10 AM

Looks as though sista ate the soulja many moons ago

by Anonymousreply 29August 12, 2015 6:53 AM

Where is Sista Souljah today? She's like the original BLM person, isn't she?

by Anonymousreply 30August 12, 2015 6:56 AM

No R30, that was Ms. Tawanna Brawley

by Anonymousreply 31August 12, 2015 7:04 AM

BLM is bad. It's racist to others. I'm not White and I don't live in a White supremacist world that mentioned. Just recently an intelligent White acquaintance was passed over his first choice of medical school because 1 out of 3 openings had to go to non-Whites even though they had lower qualifying scores. That's not White supremacy. That's racist against him because he was passed over due to his race. His father is a big money donor to the university and wanted to use his name to get his son in to that medical school and he told his father not to do that. I used affirmative action about 28 years ago to attend an Ivy but I would not do that again. There's another reason for that.

by Anonymousreply 32August 12, 2015 7:59 AM

she's being interviewed.

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by Anonymousreply 33August 13, 2015 5:14 AM

I don't know if you should have 15 minutes !!

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by Anonymousreply 34August 13, 2015 5:30 AM

I hate people that use three names

by Anonymousreply 35August 13, 2015 8:29 AM

[quote] BLM is bad. It's racist to others.

There is nothing inherently racist about the intended meaning of the Black Lives Matter slogan. The intention is not to proclaim or imply that the lives of other races don't matter. It a powerful cry against those who believe black lives don't matter. You don't have to go far to find those who believe they don't. If you read enough threads here. You will discover that. Certainly the violation of civil rights by law enforcement is of much greater concern than the bigotry found on an internet message board.

[quote] I'm not White and I don't live in a White supremacist world that mentioned.

You claim you're not white but you conveniently leave out your race/ethnicity.

Just recently an intelligent White acquaintance was passed over his first choice of medical school because 1 out of 3 openings had to go to non-Whites even though they had lower qualifying scores. That's not White supremacy. That's racist against him because he was passed over due to his race.

You want us to believe that you or he knows the scores for all nonwhite applicants and in that pool of applicants no one could match his score.

[quote] His father is a big money donor to the university and wanted to use his name to get his son in to that medical school and he told his father not to do that.

You also want us to believe that the university does not know who his father is. He's been donating big money for all theses years and no one is aware that his son applied to the school.

[quote] I used affirmative action about 28 years ago to attend an Ivy but I would not do that again. There's another reason for that.

Although you don't sound qualified for entry into any university, Ivy League or otherwise. You didn't "use" affirmative action. The university admissions office used whatever complex admissions metrics that institution uses to admit students.

by Anonymousreply 36August 16, 2015 10:12 AM

First Black lives must matter within the Black community before demanding that they matter to those outside of the community.

by Anonymousreply 37August 16, 2015 11:17 AM

She's mentally ill. And I'd say it to her face.

by Anonymousreply 38August 16, 2015 12:07 PM

[quote]“Well, what would you say to the people who say that you’re hurting your cause?” White asked.

[quote]"I don’t give a fuck about the white gaze,” Johnson replied. “I don’t. I literally don’t.”

It's not just white people who think she's bad for the cause!

by Anonymousreply 39August 16, 2015 12:16 PM

She, and people who think like her, have designated me “the enemy” ; I don’t want to be her enemy, and yet it appears I am helpless to be other than “their" enemy.

by Anonymousreply 40August 16, 2015 12:30 PM

[quote]"I don’t give a fuck about the white gaze,” Johnson replied. “I don’t. I literally don’t.”

Then what is the purpose of #blacklivesmatter? Who are they trying to convince?

by Anonymousreply 41August 16, 2015 12:32 PM

So why would done group interrupting a speech hurt the cause against unarmed black people being killed by officers?

by Anonymousreply 42August 16, 2015 12:33 PM

R37, how is it that you can't see how silly and asinine that comment is? Is it just some flippant counteragrument you throw out in order to deflect from an issue that you really don't want to deal with? Inner city communities are under siege by drug gangs ( just as whole countries like Mexico are under siege with residents living in constant fear) and members of these communities are living in fear and nothing is being done to help them.

There have been many protests against gang violence in these communities that get very little coverage, there are stop the violence campaigns /organizations in these communities that again get very little attention and therefore little funding. Yet you've concluded that black people don't care about their own lives and don't want to live based on the actions of those who engage in criminal activity ( criminals who turn to the underworld because they can't find legal work largely due to their skin color). Do all of the thousands of white on white murders that occur each year imply that white lives don't matter to white people? Are white criminals the responsibility of the white community? Do we have to come together to figure out what to do about mass murderers and other white criminals? Do we have to solve our own crime problems and draft and repeal our own laws? As I mentioned in another thread when Prohibition produced this level of violence in white communities ( actually it was much worse than anything we are seeing today) and had a negative economic impact on white communities it was repealed. Just as alcohol prohibition allowed organized crime to flourish in the 1920s, drug prohibition is empowering the criminal underworld all around the world yet the people who are being hurt the most are told to fend for themselves and that it's their problem and drug prohibition remains because their black lives don't matter.

by Anonymousreply 43August 16, 2015 4:45 PM

And if the government floods the streets with law enforcement and the jails with black criminals (wich by the way is what it will take to stop the madness ) then they would scream they were being targeted and repressed. R37 's comment was dead on, its not any other race destroying the black community. Do you think for one second I would allow one of my neighbors to be dealing drugs ? Hell no,Im calling the cops over and over until its resolved. Don't isolate yourself then blame me for not getting you.

by Anonymousreply 44August 16, 2015 5:35 PM

R44, if you had any knowledge about this issue you'd know the making arrest doesn't ' solve the problem' otherwise mass incarcerations over the past 30 years or so would have, you know, already solved it dear. Did arrests solve the problem during Prohibition? No repealing the law helped stop the increased violence. Mass incarcerations do nothing but create job openings for other members of the criminal underworld which leads to drug wars over newly available turf. What will actually solve the problem and defang the criminal underworld is repealing drug prohibition laws. Perhaps you are OK with drug lords becoming billionaires while leaving a trail of millions of dead bodies in their wake but I'm not.Please leave the complex issues to complex thinkers, r44.

by Anonymousreply 45August 16, 2015 5:48 PM

What R37 said.

by Anonymousreply 46August 16, 2015 5:50 PM

Yes keep agreeing with your own comment dear.

by Anonymousreply 47August 16, 2015 5:55 PM

Why do black lives matter only when killed by a white cop? There are murders of black men EVERY day in most american cities, black men murdered by other black men. Where are the protests? Where is the outrage? In my opinion (I'm white), the black community needs to fix the black community. Quit glorifying criminal behavior, quit believing a good education and using proper English is "too white". Black people are their own worst enemy.

by Anonymousreply 48August 16, 2015 10:40 PM

Here! here! R48

by Anonymousreply 49August 16, 2015 10:52 PM

I hate her. I really really hate her.

by Anonymousreply 50August 16, 2015 10:55 PM

There was a protest by residents in Chicago just last year against gang violence that the right wing media picked up on only because some of the protestors expressed frustration with Obama otherwise it was not covered by the media. There was also a recent protest in Detroit this year over the same issue but I guess that's just black people glorifying violence. Black people also take advantage of charter schools more than any other group in the country which is why republicans are using the school voucher program to go after the black vote. But I guess that's just black people not valuing education. Good lord.

by Anonymousreply 51August 16, 2015 11:00 PM

The ingrate. And after I'd given her bus fare !

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by Anonymousreply 52August 17, 2015 3:16 AM

Why would she expect white people to pay attention and listen to her if she doesn't give a f*ck for the white gaze? I don't get what she thinks she's doing. People tune out those just looking to make mindless noise.

by Anonymousreply 53August 17, 2015 3:49 AM

[quote] Why do black lives matter only when killed by a white cop? There are murders of black men EVERY day in most american cities, black men murdered by other black men. Where are the protests? Where is the outrage? In my opinion (I'm white), the black community needs to fix the black community. Quit glorifying criminal behavior, quit believing a good education and using proper English is "too white". Black people are their own worst enemy.

1. So the millions of black people educate themselves, obey the laws, and work hard each day to lead relatively productive lives somehow don't value their own lives.

2. So unless the black community is able to do what the white community has not bee able to do in their own communities. Then blacks somehow don't value their own lives. Despite being the majority and having greater resources, whites have not been able to eradicate poverty, crime and all the other problems associated with poverty. Unless blacks can They don't value their own lives and have no right to demand that their civil rights not be violated. Nor that they be treated equally and not be forced to live in fear of the government entities who are supposed to protect them.

3. So the millions of black students who excel in high school and go off to college each year somehow don't value education.

4. Blacks over came hundreds of years of slavery, decades of legalized segregation and they continue to overcome the continued perpetuation of institutional racism and other forms of discrimination. They continue to push through and despite the stigma attached to them, (like any other race or ethnicity in this country) millions of black Americans build happy, productive lives. Yet according to you, they are somehow deficient. They are "their own worst enemy". They succeed despite bigots like you who continue to attempt to define the entire black population by its most troubled members . You define the black population by the most troubled and you define the white population by the most successful. Both populations share the same list of problems. Greater poverty in the black community exacerbates some of those problems but the problems are the same.

5. The millions of hardworking black people who obey the law and respect and depend upon the protection that law enforcement is supposed to provide are somehow glorifying criminals

6. So again, until blacks are able to do what whites (even without the legacy of slavery, segregation and institutional racism) have been unable to do; eradicate poverty and all of the problems that come with it. They deserve to be executed for any minor violation of the law. They don't have the right to demand to be treated equally. They deserve to have their civil rights violated. Until they can do what whites will never be able to do (fix all of the broken troubled people in the community). They are unworthy of anything more than 2nd class citizenship.

Any mention of a black person here and immediately the same list of antiquated stereotypes and generalizations is dragged out and repeated 1000 times. You may come down off of your lofty pedestal anytime and take your self reverence and your often repeated bigoted bullshit and shove it.

by Anonymousreply 54August 17, 2015 4:18 AM

If you have an average IQ of 78,how do you expect to succeed in this world ? As for "mass incarceration" ,heres an idea...don't break the law,dont go to jail. Yes,its THAT simple R54. Theres 2 major issues in black communities that only they can resolve,crime and abysmal education. The whites cant make you learn,nor can they make you stop commiting crimes,that has to come from within. The rest is just "blah,blah'blah,not my fault,blah,blah,blah". Your an apologist of the rankest caliber.

by Anonymousreply 55August 17, 2015 5:41 AM

I'm not going to get involved in this but I just wanted to point out to the African American homosexuals who may be reading this thread and much of the bigotry/ racism on this forum. These are arguments that we don't have in the SGL community. You won't be insulted or put down because of your skin color in the SGL community. You won't be ridiculed by people who couldn't care less about you, see you as a mere afterthought, don't see you as one of them,and don't have your best interests at heart in the SGL community. I just wanted to mention that.

by Anonymousreply 56August 17, 2015 6:08 AM

R56, this place is a bastion of white Eurocentric dominance and the the mainstream white (patriarchal) homosexual community. What are you even doing here? You aren't "gay".

by Anonymousreply 57August 17, 2015 12:29 PM

[quote]Johnson says she doesn’t care, ultimately, whether the tactics are alienating.

Black lives matter. Thinking? Not so much.

by Anonymousreply 58August 17, 2015 12:40 PM

R57, I'm here to write posts like the one at r56. I want to remind people that there is something better out there, a community that is actually accepting. The racism here doesn't really bother me because I expect it but I'm sure it bothers others and I want them to understand that this isn't all there is. I realize that not every poster here is a racist and that some here find the racist posts abhorrent ( like some of the posters in this thread who challenged the bigotry and ignorance) but they appear to be in the minority.

To be perfectly honest, the best result that could potentially emerge from this whole kerfufle regarding BLM and the young lady this thread is dedicated to is for African American voters to come to the understanding that many, many democrats are just as racist as they claim republicans are and that you don't have to be a democrat to support liberal policies. I hope that this will help African American voters to realize that a party that doesn't even put 5% effort into fixing or addressing issues that are important to your community doesn't deserve 90% of your vote. As mentioned upthread, African Americans attend charter schools at the highest rates which suggests that the parents of these children believe that these schools are better for their children and provide a better education ( and based on the results this is true) than the public schools in their districts. If charter schools and school choice are important to you and have increased the educational attainment and achievement of your children it is not wise to give the party that opposes those things 90% of your vote. So for me the best result that could come out of this is for that to no longer happen.

by Anonymousreply 59August 17, 2015 2:55 PM

[quote] you don't have to be a democrat to support liberal policies

Well, you certainly can't be a Republican if that's what you're trying to get at. Is that what your posts are about? Somehow shifting black voters from Dem to GOP? That certainly seems to be the gist of it.

So, in reality you're just another right-wing shill using racism to swing voters to the GOP. You're just dressing it all up nice in anti-white racism, and anti-liberal double-talk.

by Anonymousreply 60August 17, 2015 5:46 PM

If what you got from my post was anti-white racism and anti-liberal double talk ( it's also telling that of the things written in this thread it was my post that offended you) then clearly my post wasn't for you and that's a good thing. Apparently African Americans wanting something in return for the overwhelming dedication to one party for over 30 years is anti-white and anti-liberal that should tell you something folks.

by Anonymousreply 61August 17, 2015 6:09 PM

Scratch that make that 50 ( not 30) years.

by Anonymousreply 62August 17, 2015 6:13 PM

R61, I wasn't offended by you. Of course African-American voters should want something for their votes. But they CERTAINLY aren't going to find that something in the GOP, and that's really what should tell you something. It's also telling that you don't deny supporting the GOP.

by Anonymousreply 63August 17, 2015 6:17 PM

I support policies not parties. The GOP supports school choice which is strongly supported by the African American community. Why? Because it equalizes education and there are clear linkages between ( quality) education and poverty reduction. Charter schools also get results. There are a number of majority African American charter schools ranked in the top 5, 10, 20 in their states. Yet democrats oppose something that has clearly proven to be beneficial to African American students. You are in no position to dictate to African Americans where they will find anything when democrats expect dedication with nothing in return. Like I said my post was not meant for someone who sees anti-white( yet supposedly I'm a GOP member) and anti-liberal in desiring a political party to actual earn that dedication and 90% support that they receive. However, I'm glad you wrote what you wrote because that kind of attitude that exists within the democratic party needs to come to light more often.

by Anonymousreply 64August 17, 2015 6:35 PM

I'm certainly in a position to understand, as ANY reasonable person does that the GOP is absolute poison to any minority or disadvantaged group. Also, I didn't say you were an anti-white racist. I said you were using anti-white racism and anti-liberal double-speak to influence people. As far as supporting policies, I'd bet cash money that the policies you support just *randomly* happen to line up with the GOP party platform.

by Anonymousreply 65August 17, 2015 7:31 PM

[quote] They went to a Clinton rally but Clinton wouldn't even let them in the door. She had her security thugs escort them away.

That's why Hillary's our girl - she is not going to put up with BLM shit or anybody else's shit. Bernie's still new at this game, he'll learn.

The problem with stupid people is that you have to keep explaining things to them. Black Lives Matter does not mean White Lives Don't Matter. Only a simpleton who has no idea what he/she is talking about would take BLM as racist.

It's always been a problem for American progressives to openly discuss minorities behaving badly. It feeds the racist pig-fuckers and we've never really figured out a way to deal with it. Now that I'm an old progressive, I don't really care anymore - Marissa can fuck right off.

Our "Concern Trolls" are terribly worried about what Rethuglicunts say and think about this issue because, you know, if Sean Hannity said it then it must be true.

by Anonymousreply 66August 17, 2015 7:59 PM

Yet, r65 like I said the GOP supports school choice while democrats work to keep disadvantaged students in failing schools which only exacerbates poverty because they've decided that teachers' ( permanent) jobs are more important than disadvantaged students ( well big donations from teachers' unions helped them reach this decision). What was that about poison again?

The fact that you think that having enough dignity and self-respect for yourself to not find being used for the gain of a political party that gives you nothing in return or not finding being called an ape, sewer rat, violent, a criminal, someone who glorifies violence, accused of not valuing education, ghetto, stupid, lazy, selfish and a host of racial slurs to be acceptable is anti-white or anti-liberal then clearly we aren't members of the same community. Aparrently to be pro-white is to accept racial abuse/name-calling and inequality and working like a slave for a party that gives you nothing like a good little negro. Voting 90% for one party while having no say in the other party is an ineffective voting strategy and hasn't worked over the last 50 years. I couldn't care less what you think of me personally because you aren't changing my mind or anyone else's so there's no point in continuing this discussion.

by Anonymousreply 67August 17, 2015 8:12 PM

*Apparently

by Anonymousreply 68August 17, 2015 8:15 PM

[quote] Yet, [R65] like I said the GOP supports school choice while democrats work to keep disadvantaged students in failing schools which only exacerbates poverty because they've decided that teachers' ( permanent) jobs are more important than disadvantaged students ( well big donations from teachers' unions helped them reach this decision). What was that about poison again?

You are out of your fucking mind. The only people "helped" by school vouchers are middle-class parents who can put it towards expensive private school tuition. It's nothing for poor people in bad neighborhoods. It takes money AWAY from public schools that desperately need it and the vouchers don't come anywhere near to covering the cost of even a parochial school education. It's just a shell game for greedy, asshole Rethuglicunts to steal from public education and fuck over the disadvantaged.

It's NO to school vouchers, now and forever. You want better public education? Work on it.

by Anonymousreply 69August 17, 2015 8:26 PM

R67, as I said, you're a right-wing shill using dressed up anti-white, anti-liberal rhetoric in an attempt to sway black people away from the Democrats. This whole school voucher thing is pure smokescreen bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 70August 17, 2015 8:28 PM

R67: you make a lot of sense!

by Anonymousreply 71August 17, 2015 8:30 PM

She is being paid by someone.

by Anonymousreply 72August 17, 2015 8:31 PM

R67: you are right not to fall for this 'what are you gonna do, run to the rethuglicans?' bullshit. That isn't good enough anymore.

Just because you question the hypocrisy and corruption of the Democratic Party does not mean you are a republican or even that you have to become one! You can forge a new option and I commend you for it!

by Anonymousreply 73August 17, 2015 8:37 PM

R69, learn what school choice actually is and why the majority of African Americans support it before entering the discussion. And of course since African Americans are supposed to be mindless zombies who can't think for themselves and are led around by the nose by the Democratic party I couldn't possibly be a real, live African American. I'm not following the script! We don't value education so I couldn't truly be an African American ( like the majority of African Americans) for school choice. Blasphemy!

Thanks r71 and r73.

I have step away from this silliness before I get sucked in too far.

by Anonymousreply 74August 17, 2015 8:43 PM

The Republicans are fucking over the poor and minorities, so make sure not to vote for the Democrats.

by Anonymousreply 75August 17, 2015 9:32 PM

So many useful words ruined by college students: gaze, agency, trauma, and bodies.

by Anonymousreply 76August 17, 2015 9:40 PM

R75 has it exactly. Pushing that voucher talking point garbage on the DL as if we'd fall for it - not too fucking likely. It's nice that she has sock-puppets to agree with her. otherwise she'd be lonely.

(Now watch - she's going to leave, she really has to leave, she just can't get sucked into it anymore but.. but.. but.. - she's a fucking idiot.)

by Anonymousreply 77August 17, 2015 9:53 PM

[quote] you are right not to fall for this 'what are you gonna do, run to the rethuglicans?' bullshit.

Which is exactly the thinking that put Bush in the White House for eight years and gave us the cluster-fuck the country is still trying to dig itself out of.

by Anonymousreply 78August 17, 2015 10:03 PM

Actually not only do the majority of African Americans support school choice but the majority of Democrats support school choice. It's the Democratic leaders and politicians who don't support it. I've been saying for years that this is an issue that the party leaders need to come around on because it could be costly as something like 80 percent of Republicans support this issue.

by Anonymousreply 79August 17, 2015 10:07 PM

The Supremes handing it to him and Jeb! rigging Florida is what gave us Bush for eight years, R78. Had you forgotten that already? My my my.

by Anonymousreply 80August 17, 2015 10:07 PM

No decent person uses the term "school choice" that's just another one of Frank Lutz's 1984-esque misnomers in all the Rethuglican talking points. It's VOUCHERS - they are a huge scam and charter schools are a big fucking scam, just as we told you they would be.

[bold] The great charter school rip-off: Finally, the truth catches up to education “reform” phonies Fraud, financial mismanagement, lousy results: Reports highlight awful charter schools and people are catching on. [/bold]

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by Anonymousreply 81August 17, 2015 10:18 PM

Don't be stupid R80. If a bunch of nitwits hadn't followed that logic and voted for Nader, Gore would have won a clear victory. Florida never would have been in question and the Supreme Court never would have been involved. Bush and all the disasters that followed can be laid square on the idiots who threw their votes away on a pointless third party.

by Anonymousreply 82August 17, 2015 10:21 PM

R81, this isn't hard. If you think you are going to convince African American parents that Charter schools are lousy when many these schools have high achievement you are fighting a losing battle. If this our response to allowing children to attend schools outside of their districts then boy oh boy.

by Anonymousreply 83August 17, 2015 10:29 PM

For r81.

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by Anonymousreply 84August 17, 2015 10:30 PM

The vote in Florida was so close that what actually made the difference was Jeb! deliberately purging thousands and thousands of valid Democratic voters from key Florida counties prior to the election. It worked. Then there were the Supremes and their fuckery.

Nader voters were earnest assholes and dead wrong but I don't hold them responsible for the decisions of Bush, Cheney, Rove, et al (as I believe I have made clear to you before). I do think, however, that they learned their lesson from that election and it will be a long, long time before any intelligent human being votes for a candidate other than the Democratic nominee.

I don't know why you have such a hard-on for Nader voters today, r82. Lighten up. Bernie's not a dick, he's not going to run third party. The only one who looks to be going rogue is The Donald which is nothing but good news for us. Let Rethuglicans cannibalize each other, I'll pass them the salt.

by Anonymousreply 85August 17, 2015 10:31 PM

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This is not an issue that we should be against because like I said it can be costly.

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by Anonymousreply 86August 17, 2015 10:35 PM

Could be not can be

by Anonymousreply 87August 17, 2015 10:36 PM

Whatever that shit is, R84, I'm not going to click on it. I know the facts. I'm clear in my mind about VOUCHERS and have been for many years. Don't like it? Too fucking bad, send your kid to a private school on your own dime.

Public funds are for public schools - THE END.

by Anonymousreply 88August 17, 2015 10:36 PM

Vouchers and harter schools = Rip Offs

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by Anonymousreply 89August 17, 2015 10:39 PM

Even that bastion of wild-eyed liberalism and champion of the poor - Forbes - knows that charter schools are just another way for scumbags to rip off public education funds.

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by Anonymousreply 90August 17, 2015 10:40 PM

That's nice dear but I'd rather not lose the election over an issue that our most loyal voters support. As someone mentioned upthread among the top ranked schools in states like Connecticut and Louisiana are majority black charter schools. Good luck convincing those parents that charter schools are scams out of one side of your mouth while asking for their votes out of the other side. Talk about tone deaf. Thankful most Democrats don't agree with you so there may be hope of changing the official party position on this issue. It would be great if Hillary came out for it.

by Anonymousreply 91August 17, 2015 10:47 PM

[quote] That's nice dear but I'd rather not lose the election over an issue that our most loyal voters support

Anyone willing to shitcan public education in America to hang on to a few votes doesn't deserve to win anything, dear.

Thankfully, we will never change this plank in the platform. They may "Luntz" the wording just to appease people too stupid to know that VOUCHERS destroy public education. That's a cosmetic change I can live with as long as the substance doesn't change.

NO to VOUCHERS and NO to charter schools as a replacement for public education.

by Anonymousreply 92August 17, 2015 11:26 PM

Calling people who are pleased that their children are achieving academically at a charter school what they would never achieve at a low performing public school stupid is a sure way to win an election. Good lord.

by Anonymousreply 93August 17, 2015 11:37 PM

I wonder what her pussy looks like.

by Anonymousreply 94August 17, 2015 11:37 PM

Wake us up when she does this to a Republican candidate's appearance.

by Anonymousreply 95August 17, 2015 11:47 PM

Did anyone really ever expect Marissa Janae To give a fuck about much of anything besides herself and her cause (as an extension of herself)?

by Anonymousreply 96August 17, 2015 11:50 PM

[quote] Did anyone really ever expect Marissa Janae To give a fuck about much of anything besides herself and her cause (as an extension of herself)?

Umm, so she's actually no different from most people.

by Anonymousreply 97August 18, 2015 12:44 AM

Is Marissa just another plant trying to drive a wedge between the Teacher's union and the Democratic Party? Maybe not, but everyone jumping on the "Oh we have to abandon public education and go with the voucher scam and fraudulent charter schools" bandwagon is doing Limbaugh's and Hannity's work for them.

No sale, morons.

by Anonymousreply 98August 18, 2015 2:35 AM

R98: you are shrill and repetitive and operate similar to a bully. I'm sure you think you are a tough warrior, but you really just come off as petty, close minded and annoying.

No one who is on the fence in this debate is going to give you the time of day. Much like hannity, all you do is throw red meat to those who already agree with you.

by Anonymousreply 99August 18, 2015 2:55 AM

Um, you do realize that people are free to simply vote for people who do support school choice and vote out those who don't like they've already been doing in several states? You aren't stopping or blocking anything and Democrats will only get voted out by those who support school choice. You act like people are required to vote for one party over the other. It seems you think you have more power than you actually have.

by Anonymousreply 100August 18, 2015 2:55 AM

When you hear the phrase [b]Magnet School[/b], RUN DON'T WALK TO THAT EXIT !!

by Anonymousreply 101August 18, 2015 3:01 AM

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by Anonymousreply 102August 18, 2015 3:02 AM

"School Choice" is just another example of bullshit Republican buzzwords. The one and only purpose of vouchers is to destroy the public school system.

by Anonymousreply 103August 18, 2015 1:30 PM

If a districts public school system is failing perhaps it deserves to be destroyed.

by Anonymousreply 104August 18, 2015 1:56 PM

Beyoncé deserved to win over Talor Swift! #BlackLivesMatter

by Anonymousreply 105August 18, 2015 2:55 PM

r86, Townhall is a Freeper web site.

by Anonymousreply 106August 18, 2015 3:55 PM

R106, but honestly, R86 and all the posters like him here, really and truly aren't a bunch of right-wing operatives working to convince people not to vote for the Dems, seriously!

by Anonymousreply 107August 18, 2015 4:33 PM

That the Democrats are beholden to teachers' unions at the expense of the children they're supposed to be serving shouldn't be a controversial statement to make.

What doesn't follow is the idea that the Republican Party has any interest in improving public education, or even the competence to do so.

by Anonymousreply 108August 20, 2015 8:40 PM

Certain issues are a failure for both parties. Education is a classic example.

The best evidence is from 2001 when republican president George W Bush teamed up with democratic senator Ted Kennedy to give the nation the unmitigated disaster known as No Child Left Behind

by Anonymousreply 109August 20, 2015 8:51 PM

If she "don't give a fuck about the white gaze", what makes her think that I should give a fuck about her? She should have been thrown in jail.

by Anonymousreply 110August 20, 2015 8:55 PM

I guarantee you she was paid by Hillary to do this.

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