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Gay Bashers: Even Gayer Than Bodybuilding?

The Choice.

I taught a few years of high school psychology right out of college. One day a 14 year old student came into my classroom and told me he was thinking about killing himself.

I sat him down and we had a long talk. Long story short: He was gay and scared to death to tell his family and friends.

This was small-town Texas in the 90s and things were a bit different back them.

He said he'd known he was gay since he was 6 or 7 years old. He didn't want to be gay, he told me. It wasn't a choice, he said, and he would rather just kill himself than deal with what other people thought of him.

Luckily, our talk went well. Suicide averted.

Now, I hadn't formed any firm opinions on the subject back then, but the kid convinced me of something: for whatever reason, he was gay, he always had been, and it wasn't a decision he made. He just was.

Just like I was heterosexual. I never had to think about it, never had to make a choice. I just was.

Most researchers, scientists, and psychiatrists agree today that sexuality isn't a choice. If you disagree, then just ask yourself about when you weighed the options and made the choice between straight or gay.

Yeah, you didn't.

So what does this have to do with building muscle, losing fat, and all the things T Nation is about?

Simple: It's time for the meatheads among us to evolve and stop it with the ignorant slurs.

The "Gayest" Sport on Earth.

Most parts of modern culture have de-stigmatized homosexuality. High school kids today can come out openly and be just fine, for the most part.

Oh, but not in the bodybuilding and weight lifting culture. For some reason, we are behind the times.

Don't believe it? Look at the interactions on social media. Bigotry is rampant in gym culture.

Ironic, isn't it? Bodybuilding fans calling anything else, anything at all, gay?

Let's see, you enjoy looking at tanned, shaved, and oiled male bodies wearing two ounces of clothing. They flex and you scream and clap. You analyze every inch of their bodies and compare them to other men's bodies.

Even gay guys will say, "Dude, that's kinda gay."

The "F" Word.

Maybe this is what psychologists call reaction formation? That means you often violently oppose the very things that you feel.

In this context, it means the worst of the gay-bashing types are probably wrestling with homosexual feelings themselves.

To battle these feelings, they overcompensate by being overtly "manly" and become obsessed with making sure people know they're not gay by bashing and name-calling as often as possible.

Yes, of course, you can be a bodybuilding fanboy and not be secretly gay. But as a heterosexual bodybuilding fanboy, maybe you feel a little weird about it, so you overcompensate.

Think about it: The last person on the planet that needs to be throwing around the word "f*g" is a bodybuilder or bodybuilding fan.

Why? Because you are a fan of what is, on the surface at least, the "f*ggiest" looking sport and culture on the planet.

Heck, fitness and bodybuilding magazines were the original gay spank-banks in the pre-internet days, and many of the publishers were quite open about it.

See, bodybuilding fans and gay dudes have a lot in common. And maybe it's time you accept that, deal with it, and stop overcompensating.

After all, to anyone who's taken Psych 101, the only thing that makes you sound gay when you're not is when you just can't seem stop using homophobic slurs.

Gay Bashing is Gay.

Those who lift weights and build muscle suffer from a host of stereotypes. People think that anyone carrying a little extra mass is a big dumb ape.

Let's not reinforce the stereotype by acting like d-bag frat boys.

Grow up. You're only making yourself look like an idiot. And that's gay.

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by Anonymousreply 18March 14, 2020 2:57 AM

[quote]So what does this have to do with building muscle, losing fat, and all the things T Nation is about?

The Ts are about building muscle and losing fat?

by Anonymousreply 1August 4, 2015 5:07 PM

OP, I am still sometimes amazed at how forcefully men are beginning to push for gay rights.

by Anonymousreply 2August 4, 2015 5:14 PM

I suspect this is a different application of Testosterone...at least I hope!

by Anonymousreply 3August 4, 2015 5:14 PM

R2 Homophobia is being looked down on strongly as days go by. Probably, some in the bodybuilding industry feel the need to cleanse the image of bodybuilding heavily associated with homophobia despite its homoerotic nature.

by Anonymousreply 4August 4, 2015 5:58 PM

Bodybuilding magazines still target gay men as their main demographic to buy them.

by Anonymousreply 5August 5, 2015 1:26 AM

When you read forums such as bodybuilding.com extremely obsessed with what looks gay and what not and all the homophobia you can smell the so many closeted cases posting there.

by Anonymousreply 6August 12, 2015 11:57 PM

This is the right topic to talk about homophobes in bodybuilding.

by Anonymousreply 7September 24, 2015 5:44 PM

[quote]Bodybuilding magazines still target gay men as their main demographic to buy them.

So do bodybuilders themselves...

by Anonymousreply 8September 24, 2015 5:52 PM

Many of those bodybuilders are gay and bisexual though.

by Anonymousreply 9September 24, 2015 6:02 PM

He fucked up by saying "that's so gay" at the end though.

by Anonymousreply 10September 24, 2015 6:14 PM

This is just a tired conversation and we have discussed this before here even on Data Lounge. This is nothing but another attempt by the bodybuilding industry to rid itself of the "gay" stereotype--as if there is something wrong with that to begin with.

Look... as far as I'm concerned, bodybuilding isn't a sport. It isn't done for health reasons. It isn't done to make money. It's done because you want people to look at you! To sexually desire you. Yes, there's the other stuff like showing who is the "king of the pride" etc, but bottom line it's about aesthetics and getting people to look at you.

While most women love and want a fit man, a bodybuilder is completely a different animal. Most women wouldn't put up with it and all of its narcissim. Others call it "gay" as some type of put down because most don't have the desire, and more importantly, the discipline to do all the work that is required. Those who do... and define themselves as straight, are embarrassed because they don't want to admit, (or feel guilty), that they are sooo into themselves. Given that, you want SOMEONE to appreciate all the work that you have done.

I know quite a few bodybuilders who say that they are straight, but who will work a gay party without batting an eye, and "get off" on all the hands rubbing all over them, and fingers going wherever. I know those too who just "get off" on the attention. Then I even know those who eventually crossed to the other side.

Eugen Sandow, who is considered to be the father of bodybuilding, is now being revealed to have had a long-term boyfriend that caused a lot of emotional pain for his "family". I don't care how many women Arnold Schwarzenegger has said he has fucked, he has wafted in and out of the gay world himself. He knows what time it is...

Probably the only famous person that I would think was straight would be Jack LaLane. But, he was a swimmer, and so...

There are stereotypes for reasons...

by Anonymousreply 11September 24, 2015 6:46 PM

Eugen was bisexual, that's known, but most in bodybuilding avoid that topic.

Bodybuilding being for health reasons is kind of relative. As its name suggests (body-building) its main purpose is physical appearance and not so much health. If done moderately it can be beneficial for one's health, but the main focus in on appearance over health.

I don't like it that when people say that bodybuilding is gay, they associate gay with narcissism and shallowness; when bodybuilding is associated with heterosexual men then bodybuilding is a sport, a display of character and discipline as if sexual orientation defined the degree of discipline or narcissism a person will put into it.

by Anonymousreply 12September 24, 2015 7:04 PM

I wonder how gay bodybuilders deal with the homophobia in bodybuilding without thinking about quitting. I have read heterosexual men who have felt sick of the "sport" only because it is too shallow or narcissistic, they are actually not receiving any attacks for being heterosexual or for having any other natural traits that is being vilified, but gay and bisexual bodybuilders are contantly hearing either explicit attacks against homosexuality of belitteling slurs, jokes, tec. that could make many just give up because it is never comfortable to be around people behave like bullies and make you feel like you are less than human.

by Anonymousreply 13September 25, 2015 3:06 PM

Yup! Someone rubbing your ass or your crotch isn't exciting...

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by Anonymousreply 14September 25, 2015 4:40 PM

Here a weird swedish white supremacist paranoid about homosexuality with subtle to explicit homophobia dictating morality. Notice how he loves to use terms such as "gay propaganda" and conflate homosexuality with sexual depravity.

I don't accept guys like this dictating morality like the authoritarian man he is considering that bodybuilding is one of the least conservative and sexually modest activities out there. I mean you cannot go out there and preach morality on sex matters when what you do is about exposing your almost naked body for people to fantasise about it.

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by Anonymousreply 15September 27, 2015 7:41 AM

About a month ago I registered myself on one of those bodybuilding forums. At first, I didn't interact much because there isn't really much to talk about apart from watching pictures of bodybuilders.

What I have found so far is that many of those users get extremely defensive when it comes to homosexuality. It is like some of them have a psychological alarm to anything that might evoke homosexuality and they get very defensive. Even if it is not about them homosexuality makes them weirdly worried and react as if defending themselves from it.

I put it like this, a thief has stolen something and he is so worried that someone might find out that he sees an accuser in every person when actually no one is pointing fingers at him.

I don't post much there, but I have browsed the site and homosexuality is almost everywhere in threads but generally portrayed like a monster they feel they must run away from.

I think conclusions are very evident at this point.

by Anonymousreply 16October 29, 2015 10:26 AM

That's hot, R16.

by Anonymousreply 17March 14, 2020 2:50 AM

What an asshole.

"Only fags say shit like faggot. Don't be a faggot!"

Seriously?

by Anonymousreply 18March 14, 2020 2:57 AM
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