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While Cubans Ready for American Visitors, Canadians in Havana Roll Their Eyes

When a fleet of yachts and schooners from Key West, Fla., sailed into sunny Havana Harbor on May 20, the American flags they flew waved at Cubans lined along the slimy seawall. The Cubans not only waved back but also whistled and flashed two-finger victory signs.

High above in a powder-blue sky, a man in a motorized parasail continuously circled the watercraft like a bird of prey. Only this winged wonder buzzed along with an American flag trailing in the wind, the ultimate one-man welcoming committee.

"This is awesome," Rio O'Bryan said, shaking his head from the deck of the After Fish, a 36-foot cruiser carrying a crew of 15. "This is so awesome," the Errol Flynn in "Captain Blood" look-alike repeated.

For the first time since the early days of the Cuban revolution of 1959, the American flag waved in the harbor in which Christopher Columbus and crew once docked. A lovefest between the Cubans and Americans had erupted.

However, not everyone loves Americans in Cuba, especially other foreigners. Canadians and Europeans make up the bulk of visitors to the island long forbidden by the government of the United States. And these outsiders would like to keep it that way.

"There is tremendous resentment toward Americans by foreigners here," said a man in his 60s named George from his perch in the Pasteleria Francesa, a French bakery in central Havana. Somewhat gaunt and with a good head of grayish hair, George preferred to give his opinion rather than his surname.

The retired educator said he has been speaking with other Canadians, Europeans, and South Americans in Havana over the last 28 years. He sits at his favorite table, from which he surveys everyone at other tables on the patio, and discusses events of the day. The current topic is how President Barack Obama on Dec. 17 announced a plan to restore full diplomatic relations with Cuba and reopen the embassy. This paves the way for Americans to experience that which Canadians, Germans, Italians, Spaniards, Venezuelans, Ecuadorans, Australians, Chinese and Japanese have been enjoying for the last 55 years: heavenly tropical beaches, pristine fishing waters, sublime seafood, original Latin rhythms, sultry senoritas, sweet rum and the best cigars in the world.

President Dwight D. Eisenhower imposed the first trade embargo in 1960; he broke off diplomatic relations in January 1961. Foreigners visiting Cuba would like to keep it that way. Many fear that McDonald's and Burger King will spring up on every corner if the American economic embargo is lifted.

"Their resentment is due to American bullyism," the former high school history teacher said. "In Iran, Chile, the Philippines, Nicaragua, and Mexico. Cuba has been benefiting from all of the resentment toward America in the world" in the realm of tourism.

Hilary Becker, assistant professor of accounting at Carleton University in Ottawa, Ontario, has a doctorate from the University of Havana. He wrote in 2011: "The tourism industry in Cuba is poised for tremendous growth in the next 10 years. The possible impact of the embargo with the U.S. being lifted presents tremendous opportunities. The tourism industry in Cuba has been dominated in recent years by visitors from Canada, followed by Germany, Italy, and Spain; however, there are estimates that if the U.S. embargo is lifted, there could be as many as three million additional U.S. tourists visiting Cuba, with a combined impact of upward of a $5 billion infusion into the Cuban economy." Between Jan. 1 and May 9, visits by Americans to Cuba were up 36 percent, according to the Associated Press.

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by Anonymousreply 86October 4, 2020 6:37 PM

That's good news for Hugo Musteliel and Joima, who didn't want to give her last name. Musteliel is a 24-year-old valet at the Restaurant Castropol on the Malecon, Havana's five-mile ocean boulevard. A second-year industrial-engineering student at Cujae University in Boyeros, a suburb of Havana, Musteliel said he was happy to see the American vessels sail into Havana Harbor two days earlier "because it means good relations between the two countries. That is good for the Cuban economy. It brings new opportunity.

"It is good for social reasons, too." Joima, a 38-year-old entrepreneur, cited economic as well as familial reasons to be happy about the forthcoming American invasion.

"Eighty percent of Cubans have family in Miami," the blond chauffeur said from her 1956, green-and-white Chevrolet convertible. "It is also "buenissimo for my business" of driving tourists around town in the vintage American car she inherited from her grandfather.

"I am not afraid of McDonald's and Burger King," she said. "We have a lot of fast-food restaurants here."

by Anonymousreply 1July 31, 2015 3:21 PM

I can see what they're saying. It must've been nice to have an "American-free zone" for so many years. There is a huge difference in any location in which there is no US influence, and Cuba was like one of those "pristine" environments.

Now it's going to become all fast food, condos, out of control real estate prices, and expensive resorts.

Oh, joy.

by Anonymousreply 2July 31, 2015 3:25 PM

American tourists are the worst. So yeah this is not good for other tourists visiting Cuba

by Anonymousreply 3July 31, 2015 3:26 PM

[quote] American tourists are the worst.

Replace 'American' with 'Russian' and you'll get it right. Also, I'm assuming you've never been surrounded by smalltown German tourists travelling around Europe in their camper trailers and caravans.

by Anonymousreply 4July 31, 2015 4:12 PM

Oh Joy ... another Canadian-superiority thread!

by Anonymousreply 5July 31, 2015 4:35 PM

Oh, R3, I can debate that. Having traveled I can tell you that the Germans and Dutch are roundly despised. Germans steal your pool chairs if you aren't sitting in it.

by Anonymousreply 6July 31, 2015 4:53 PM

Hmm, funny but I had my deck chair stolen from a big cow, who hailed from the US, while on a cruise vacation. I had the displeasure of eating at the same counter at a Japanese restaurant at a resort with two rednecks couples from the US who fought with the Maitre D over the fact that the men didn't wear dress pants which prompted one of the wives to say "Who brings pants to Mexico?" I actually witnessed something I never thought I'd see : during a cruise vacation a tour guide, who was British, was giving the itinerary to people which prompted one woman, with Southern accent, to say why they didn't hire someone who speaks English since she didn't understand the British woman's accent. There was an audible gasp from everyone when the idiot said that. I have dozens and dozens of examples.

by Anonymousreply 7July 31, 2015 5:12 PM

Yes, we get it, R3/7 you hate Americans. Doesn't change what I said. There are idiots everywhere.

by Anonymousreply 8July 31, 2015 5:37 PM

I'll also add that, for the most part, Americans on cruises generally tend to be very working class.

by Anonymousreply 9July 31, 2015 5:39 PM

Educated, coastal Americans are quite wonderful, have excellent manners and are highly intelligent.. It's the rest of the US that's a cesspool.

by Anonymousreply 10July 31, 2015 5:47 PM

Well, it won't be Southerners being the early adopters of a Cuban vacation.

No, it will be Midwesterners and other assorted pushy, demanding, impolite Yankees -- the worst tourists America has to to offer -- who'll being going in droves to Cuba ("Cyoo-ber") at first.

They coined the term "The Ugly Americans" after these folk.

by Anonymousreply 11July 31, 2015 6:04 PM

Cyoo-ber is an East Coast thing isn't it?

by Anonymousreply 12July 31, 2015 6:12 PM

Their fear of fast food joints and mega hotels is understandable but entirely up to their government who could just say "no thanks". Sadly, money and greed will probably win out.

by Anonymousreply 13July 31, 2015 6:23 PM

Why would you eat Japanese food in Mexico? Mexican cuisine blows Japanese food out of the water IMO. I find sushi just so-so and the rest of it bland.

by Anonymousreply 14July 31, 2015 6:25 PM

Best pizza ah ever done et was in Stockholm!

by Anonymousreply 15July 31, 2015 6:41 PM

[quote]Germans steal your pool chairs if you aren't sitting in it.

First they came for the pool chairs, and I did not speak out...

by Anonymousreply 16July 31, 2015 7:00 PM

[quote]Educated, coastal Americans are quite wonderful, have excellent manners and are highly intelligent.. It's the rest of the US that's a cesspool.

Yet it can buy and sell your ass.

by Anonymousreply 17July 31, 2015 7:18 PM

Oh, waaah. The elitist colonialists have had their "noble savage" fantasies fulfilled for years. God forbid actual Cubans make some money and improve their lifestyles; oh, that's right, they're props that peppered the tableaus of European, South and Central American and Canadian narcissists.

Those awful Americans, pushing Filipinos to stop trafficking little girls, pushing back against South American dictators and clearly, with reparations making up almost a third of some Central American economies (and American taxpayers supporting a significant portion of Mexico's population), exploiting those poor people who make the trek here and read from a ready-made card demanding asylum.

Some people are so self-absorbed and stupid. The lack of isolation will do these fools good.

by Anonymousreply 18July 31, 2015 7:27 PM

R18 Ironic considering the US installed quite a few dictators themselves. The only dictators you push back against are those who don't agree with you. Considering how the US has treated Panama, Chile, Iran, etc. I wouldn't be so high and mighty. Yes, the Iran we have today is completely because of the US dear.

by Anonymousreply 19July 31, 2015 7:35 PM

R18 = ugly american

The US's foreign policies is hardly commendable in any way, shape or form.

[quote]The lack of isolation will do these fools good

Yes, Americans need to get out more.

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by Anonymousreply 20July 31, 2015 7:36 PM

R19 Oh, is that the old "the native people were too stupid, helpless and drooling, to know better" argument, again?

by Anonymousreply 21July 31, 2015 7:38 PM

R20 Why would I care that the ignorant, bigoted call me an "ugly American"?

Stop treating some people like pets, Globalist SJWs.

by Anonymousreply 22July 31, 2015 7:39 PM

R20 Have you traveled to every corner of The USA? Do you realize The USA is bigger than and as culturally diverse as Europe?

by Anonymousreply 23July 31, 2015 7:41 PM

R19 What's your take on Assad vs. ISIS, dear? Since you're such a strategic genius and all.

There are some rotten, backwards people and cultures in The World. That is The Truth.

by Anonymousreply 24July 31, 2015 7:43 PM

I'm already saving up so I can go there in December. I'm going to spend the week eating delicious food and fucking any hot Cuban motherfucker I can get my hands on.

by Anonymousreply 25July 31, 2015 7:49 PM

R24 I'm talking about overthrowing elected officials in places such as Chile and Iran and replacing them with dictators. I never once mentioned Syria because there's no right option necessarily. Installing a dictator in Chile who murdered thousands of people simply because you guys were afraid of communism is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. The US isn't an evil place but to pretend it's some beacon of hope is ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 26July 31, 2015 7:53 PM

R26 Yes, we get it, you're a prejudiced bigot.

by Anonymousreply 27July 31, 2015 8:03 PM

R27 Sorry, R26 I misread, I thought you said The US WAS an evil place.

by Anonymousreply 28July 31, 2015 8:03 PM

[quote]The USA is bigger than and as culturally diverse as Europe?

Aha! Too funny. You actually believe that?

by Anonymousreply 29July 31, 2015 8:12 PM

R29 Have you visited every corner of this place, oh enlightened one?

by Anonymousreply 30July 31, 2015 8:23 PM

I've visited all major states (15 in total), all their cities, and there's more culture in the city of Florence, Italy than all of the US.

The US is cultural wasteland. The fact that you're arguing the US has culture is a joke.

by Anonymousreply 31July 31, 2015 8:30 PM

R31 So, you haven't.

by Anonymousreply 32July 31, 2015 8:32 PM

Because there aren't any loud, drunken German or English tourists.

by Anonymousreply 33July 31, 2015 8:33 PM

So when are the McDonald's going to roll in.

Seriously the problem in Cuba is that all the best hotels and restaurants are for tourists only. Cuban natives are banned from gracing the places they work as guests. It can be depressing to visit if you aren't an asshole. But hopefully things will start to change as cubans get more money in their pockets.

by Anonymousreply 34July 31, 2015 8:38 PM

R32 Have you visited every single part of Europe?

by Anonymousreply 35July 31, 2015 8:42 PM

R35 Am I the one who made snooty, gross generalizations of Europeans and assumptions about all of Europe? And getting an article written about my very snootiness?

by Anonymousreply 36July 31, 2015 8:44 PM

[quote]Am I the one who made snooty, gross generalizations of Europeans and assumptions about all of Europe?

Hmm..yes : The USA is bigger than and as culturally diverse as Europe

by Anonymousreply 37July 31, 2015 8:57 PM

R36 I'm not even the person you're fighting with, I'm just saying you can't say that the US is more culturally diverse if you haven't been to every part of Europe. Don't be a hypocrite. :)

by Anonymousreply 38July 31, 2015 8:59 PM

[quote]The USA is bigger than and as culturally diverse as Europe

Says someone who's never travelled all over Europe

by Anonymousreply 39July 31, 2015 9:01 PM

R37 It is as culturally diverse. We know this because people came from all over Europe and transplanted pieces of their home cultures here. I wasn't the one making generalizations about Europeans, I was clarifying how vast The USA is in a way that will resonate with bigots overseas. I'm sorry you know so little about The USA, whereas many of us have family members who actually emigrated from Europe and have shared their experiences with us. Americans aren't the assholes in Cuba whining about Europeans or Canadians showing up. Stop defending them.

by Anonymousreply 40July 31, 2015 9:07 PM

R40 your logic doesn't make any sense. How can the US be more culturally diverse than Europe when the people, according to you, who make it more culturally diverse come from Europe?!?!

by Anonymousreply 41July 31, 2015 9:10 PM

Canadians are no prize.

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by Anonymousreply 42July 31, 2015 9:12 PM

R41 I didn't say "more".

by Anonymousreply 43July 31, 2015 9:14 PM

R43 They brought parts of their culture over, not the entire thing. If you travel through every part of Europe you will find more culture than the US.

by Anonymousreply 44July 31, 2015 9:27 PM

R44 Well, that's nice. That wasn't the point I was making but thanks for the travel suggestion.

by Anonymousreply 45July 31, 2015 9:41 PM

You two have totally futzed up this thread.

Your points have been made, now withdraw!

by Anonymousreply 46July 31, 2015 9:52 PM

Man, she was an ol' bitch, warn't she?!

by Anonymousreply 47July 31, 2015 9:53 PM

I don't think R31 and others know what the word "culture" means.

by Anonymousreply 48July 31, 2015 10:11 PM

To be honest, I'll be surprised if Americans start visiting Cuba en masse.

I've traveled pretty extensively throughout Latin America, from Guatemala to Argentina, and Americans are sort of a rarity amongst white travelers. Most white tourists in Latin America tend to be Germans, Brits, Canadians, some French. At least from my experience. And it's ironic considering how much further away they have to travel vs. Americans who are geographically closer by.

I think many Americans tend to think of ALL of Latin America as dangerous or unpleasant, which is a shame, because that is definitely not true. Many cultural riches and pristine nature can be explored CHEAPLY in many of these countries. I do think European travelers tend to be more intrepid and open-minded.

Mexico is the only exception where you'll find majority American tourists, and even then, many tend to stick to resort towns (Cabo, Cancun, Mazatlan). I think also that American tourists get so little vacation time (2 weeks all year), that when they do vacation, they just want to chill by the pool with some drinks..

by Anonymousreply 49July 31, 2015 10:26 PM

I travel to Cuba and love it because it isn't commercialized. That said, the people have paid dearly for that lack of development, so I welcome the normalization.

by Anonymousreply 50July 31, 2015 10:40 PM

Ma and Pa Kettle aren't likely to visit as much as educated, curious Americans who haven't wanted to deal with the hassles of the restrictions.

by Anonymousreply 51July 31, 2015 11:04 PM

I'd like go to South America, but even from Washington DC there are not many flights to countries like Chile and the existing flights are expensive. As a tourist, if I'm going to spend that kind of money on airfare, I'd rather go to Europe. Obviously I can't speak for every place in this country, but I also think inaccessibility has something to do with it. Also, there is a fair amount of crime in those countries, particularly places like Argentina, so whether it's accurate or not, I think there is a real perception that a lot of SA isn't safe.

As for Cuba, I agree with the posters who indicated that the Cuban experience isn't going to be Cabo Spring Break so many people won't be interested. As others have noted, Cubans can't frequent the best beaches and hotels and apparently the child sex market traffic is pretty robust, so while I'm sure it's a beautiful & interesting country, it doesn't sound entirely appealing.

by Anonymousreply 52July 31, 2015 11:19 PM

R52 - there are definitely danger hot-spots in Latin America. Particularly Guatemala, Honduras, Venezuela, but if you venture away from the capital cities to rural parts, you'll find charming towns that are much safer than most American big cities.

Argentina and Chile, for instance, both have lower crime rates than the US. Peru and Ecuador both felt very safe to me, as well.

by Anonymousreply 53July 31, 2015 11:29 PM

[quote]Cuban experience isn't going to be Cabo Spring Break so many people won't be interested

Cuba is so damn cheap. Wait a few years and you'll see.

by Anonymousreply 54July 31, 2015 11:33 PM

I've never met a nationality of people who are more paranoid about safety, safety, safety than Americans.

Loves, is America really so dangerous that you can't walk to the corner market without a fear of robbery or murder?

by Anonymousreply 55July 31, 2015 11:35 PM

[quote] Their fear of fast food joints and mega hotels is understandable but entirely up to their government who could just say "no thanks". Sadly, money and greed will probably win out.

Vietnam is an example of a country that went from heavily rural and undeveloped, to embracing Capitalism wholeheartedly.

Like Cuba, Vietnam (is still?) under a "Communist" government, yet when it normalized relations with the U.S., the country developed rapidly.

Now the economy is red hot, American businesses have flooded the country with commercialism, tall building and hotel construction is booming, and the prices are rising - FAST.

I suspect that Cuba will experience the same type of growth, and possibly even faster because of its proximity to the US, making it easier for businesses to set up operations in that country.

We could see a return to a pre-Castro type of Cuba, which might actually be good for the people there.

by Anonymousreply 56July 31, 2015 11:47 PM

[quote] I've traveled pretty extensively throughout Latin America, from Guatemala to Argentina, and Americans are sort of a rarity amongst white travelers.

[quote] I think many Americans tend to think of ALL of Latin America as dangerous or unpleasant

[quote] Mexico is the only exception where you'll find majority American tourists

It's really all about marketing.

I don't think that Americans are necessarily "scared" to travel anywhere, except for the Middle East and Africa.

I think the real issue is that most Americans don't know WHAT is in those countries, for them to want to visit.

Americans are familiar with cities like London, Paris, Rome, etc. We know what there is to see there, and we go and visit.

Most of us, though, have no idea what's in South America, save for Rio de Janeiro and Carnival. The rest of South America is a mystery, and I would guess that most people think that it is similar to Mexico, so why not just go to Mexico.

The Real Housewives of OC showed a funny clip of one of the ladies talking about Costa Rica, and she asked, "Costa Rica's in Mexico, right?" And she's from California. I think that about sums up what most Americans know of South and Central America.

We know about Mexico because Americans are very familiar with the food, as well as it being a Spring Break destination. We know Corona, tequila, margaritas, enchiladas, tacos, etc.

Part of is has to be the attraction. We like Mexican food, drink, and resorts. The rest of South and Central America has to offer the same type of draw as Mexico, if people in the US are ever going to want to go there.

by Anonymousreply 57July 31, 2015 11:58 PM

This is a funny thread started by a Canadian. Ironically, in Florida Canadians were considered the worst tourists. Everyone in the restaurant business heated them because Canadians are extremely cheap and don't believe in tipping.

Americans on the other hand are big time tippers and spenders. I'm sure that Cuba will welcome them after years of having to put up with cheap Canadians. I think they'll attract tourists for the beaches and for their classic cars. That'll be a big draw for a lot of American car collectors.

by Anonymousreply 58August 1, 2015 12:11 AM

Obviously I meant everyone hated the Canadians not heated.

by Anonymousreply 59August 1, 2015 12:11 AM

R58 - Good point. I've lived in a couple tourist spots. Smaller cities and rural areas - my experience has been bad behavior doesn't seem to be limited by nationality or age.

by Anonymousreply 60August 1, 2015 12:19 AM

I would not place Americans anywhere near the top of "ugly" tourists, actually.

Israeli.s, French-Canadians, drunken Brits - I'm looking at you.

by Anonymousreply 61August 1, 2015 12:27 AM

[quote]heavenly tropical beaches, pristine fishing waters, sublime seafood, original Latin rhythms, sultry senoritas, sweet rum and the best cigars in the world.

What about the sultry senoritOs?

by Anonymousreply 62August 1, 2015 12:30 AM

Is there a guided tour of Ricky Ricardo's birthplace?

by Anonymousreply 63August 1, 2015 12:30 AM

Canadians are probably worried because Cubans will soon realize how cheap Cannucks are.

by Anonymousreply 64August 1, 2015 12:37 AM

[quote]Now it's going to become all fast food, condos, out of control real estate prices, and expensive resorts.

Yes, because these things are the exclusive domain the the USA and exist nowhere without American influence.

by Anonymousreply 65August 1, 2015 12:39 AM

R3 and R7 is an idiot trying too hard to make a pointless point.

by Anonymousreply 66August 1, 2015 12:43 AM

[quote]I'll also add that, for the most part, Americans on cruises generally tend to be very working class.

So fucking what? You must be one of those tightly clenched pretentious queens turning your surgically-pinched nose up at everyone and everything as beneath you.

by Anonymousreply 67August 1, 2015 12:46 AM

[quote] What about the sultry senoritOs?

Thank you for keeping us on track.

I need to know more about the rumored BIG CUBAN COCK!

Pictures would be nice, too.

by Anonymousreply 68August 1, 2015 1:02 AM

[quote]Americans on the other hand are big time tippers and spenders

Aha! No generalizations there o_0

1. United States: Surprise! Americans are famously bad tourists.

As the stereotype goes, they’re loud, rude, fat and make some pretty terrible fashion choices (fanny packs? socks and sandals?) But judgments aside, are they actually the worst tourists?

Well, a whopping 33 percent of respondents (that’s almost three times as many as the next-worst, Britain) would agree that Americans take the terrible tourist cake. In fact, 44 percent of American respondents even rated their fellow countrymen as the worst in the world -- and it’s not the first time. Yikes.

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by Anonymousreply 69August 1, 2015 1:06 AM

R69, if you believe Americans are the worst, you have not experienced the "bliss" of dealing with young, pushy I.sraeli tourists (fresh off their military service) being rude to the locals. Anybody with any traveling experience re: this group, knows what I am talking about..

by Anonymousreply 70August 1, 2015 1:11 AM

And if we're talking stereotypes, Germans are often not the most pleasant to deal with either. I've seen many a problem arise when the stoic, efficient German tourists expect the same level of efficiency in places like Asia and Latin America.. It's kind of humorous, really.

by Anonymousreply 71August 1, 2015 1:15 AM

Canadians are cheap but generally not demanding. Americans tip well but the server earns every cent. Japanese are the best--good tippers and unassuming.

by Anonymousreply 72August 1, 2015 1:22 AM

[quote] Japanese are the best--good tippers and unassuming.

Interesting, because there is no tipping in Japan.

by Anonymousreply 73August 1, 2015 1:24 AM

Or a well educated Austrian tourist who pulled out her camera to take a picture of "Negroes" dining at a nearby table (she was restrained from actually carrying out that intention).

I have run across whiny Canadian tourists, by the way. But, have rarely run across awful ones much at all, period, and I live in a touristy area.

by Anonymousreply 74August 1, 2015 1:24 AM

[quote] Or a well educated Austrian tourist who pulled out her camera to take a picture of "Negroes" dining at a nearby table (she was restrained from actually carrying out that intention)

Oh my, where was this and who stopped her? I can't even imagine that.

by Anonymousreply 75August 1, 2015 1:32 AM

It was in NYC, R75. My ex and I were entertaining an old friend of his (they grew up together in India) and that fellow's girlfriend. I shot the boyfriend a panicked/horrified look when I realized what she was up to; he put a hand on her arm with a NO! motion. Ironically, my ex had just headed for the men's room, missing the whole incident.

by Anonymousreply 76August 1, 2015 1:49 AM

R37 Are you an idiot?

" The USA is bigger than and as culturally diverse as Europe" - The USA IS bigger than Europe, especially if you leave the European part of Russia. And then he said "AS" culturally diverse, not more, not better but AS, as in comparable.

So how is that making gross generalization about Europe and Europeans or putting either of them down?

You can not like the cultures or more likely not understand them, but every state and regions within states do have their own forms of culture.

by Anonymousreply 77August 1, 2015 3:05 AM

Anyone had Cuban cock? I think of rapper Pitbull, and all I can say is, "yes, please!"

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by Anonymousreply 78August 1, 2015 6:14 PM

I become a cheap tipper in Canada, too - service is very slow and the waiter/waitress disappears after the food arrives. Good luck getting drunk refills.

Brazilian tourists in Florida are pushy, rude, and loud.

by Anonymousreply 79August 2, 2015 5:58 PM

Interesting as someone who worked as a server in Florida told me it was commonly agreed that Canadians and Brazilians were the two customers most disliked.

by Anonymousreply 80August 2, 2015 6:11 PM

[quote]Good luck getting drunk refills.

If you're drunk, you probably shouldn't be getting refills anyway.

by Anonymousreply 81August 2, 2015 6:21 PM

R3 has never seen Chinese tourists, apparently.

by Anonymousreply 82October 4, 2020 6:28 PM

F&F r82, the Bump Troll

by Anonymousreply 83October 4, 2020 6:31 PM

do the bump!

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by Anonymousreply 84October 4, 2020 6:34 PM

The more interaction the Commies have with the US, the more likely they will transform into a Democratic society.

by Anonymousreply 85October 4, 2020 6:34 PM

Suddenly, it's 2015 again.

Where R82 lives.

by Anonymousreply 86October 4, 2020 6:37 PM
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