Tom Cruise doesn't ping

I believe he's asexual. Like Oprah. I don't even know if asexual is the right word. Just someone who has no desire for sex because of being damaged by it when they were younger. I know a couple of people like this and it's the same guarded deadness. Could you see him taking it up the ass or beating that pussy up? Either? He's been damaged.

Oh, I think he pings. But all the evidence points that if he has any sexual attraction to men, he doesn't act upon it. There hasn't been any ex-Scientologists who've called him out on his sexuality, they've called him out on other stuff like wiretapping Nicole Kidman's phones, or turning the kids against her, or using free slave labor, but nothing on his sexuality. If you have a bunch of whistleblowers who are saying nothing about his sexuality, then that's all the less evidence of him having sexual relations with men.

The only credible rumor about him regarding sex was the wrestler. Or at least they only one I believed. Oh and that he sold his ass in NYC while trying to make it big.

Wasn't he going to be a priest before going the movie star route? If so, I could see him being asexual, or just non-sexual in general.

R4, that was just a joke that Mimi Rogers was telling. She didn't want to get into the details about Scientology breaking up their marriage.

R5, Mimi Rogers was the one that go him into Scientology.

Of course not, he is straight, married three times, has children, will probably be married to his assistant.

Wow... Tom Cruise is straight and this is datalounge? Must be a sign of the pending apocalypse

Yes, R6, but then her father started squirreling, and David Miscavige was worried that Mimi Rogers was going to get Tom to leave the Church to join the squirrels, so that's why he encouraged Tom to go after Nicole Kidman. He didn't want to lose Tom Cruise.

I think R1 and some others have it correct. Marty Rathbun, a former Clam and Tammy's very own personal auditor, swore up and down that there was no homosexual content in his auditing sessions. This was long after Rathbun left the cult and had numerous difficulties with them.

Of course, this doesn't mean that Cruise's homosexuality wasn't so tamped down that even the Scientology brand of brainwashing vis a vis their auditing sessions attached to "e-meters" could not bring his deepest, darkest, and most shameful secrets out.. Mimi Roger's report about his lack of interest in sex, his numerous blunders mistaking "romantic" acts for complete engulfment and control of very young, pliant females suggest he hasn't the slightest idea of heteronormative relationships in our era. Or any at all. This is Tom Cruise's biggest foible. He's just a very rich mask that fewer and fewer women like or men identify with his "acts"

I tend to agree with the asexual theory.

R4 because no closeted gay man has ever joined the priesthood

I agree with the title of this thread. And R1 is likely correct about Cruise being damaged. What I don't get is why all these years DL has been so insistent that Cruise is gay without any evidence or any ping. Also, why would we want him?

The whole 'Tom is gay' thing has been a thing for oh, 30 or so years now. As best I could ever tell, the 'proof' is largely just that the rumor exists and people keep confirming it to each other in circles. I think if there was any solid rumors they would have come out by now. Lots of ex-Scientologists have said all sorts of gossipy things about Tom, but none have said he was gay.

In my opinion, Tom is plenty weird enough from what we can see that there isn't much need to push a gay rumor. I will say this, though: he still looks fantastic, and he can still lead a big summer movie. If he sold himself to the devil, the devil paid up in spades.

So how and when the rumors started ?

He doesn't give off the vibes of anyone who genuinely has a libido--perhaps whatever life energy he has has been channeled into career and his performance as a carbon-based life-form. My bf sometimes says of a person, "they have no nude," meaning you have a hard time imagining them naked with genitalia. That's how he strikes me--like a Ken doll. Earring magic Ken, perhaps, but Ken nonetheless. If there is any sexual desire in him, it seems like it has been repressed deeper than the Marianas Trench (NOT the name of his new beloved, by the way.)

I can think of tons of people who don't give off sex-vibes, though. It's more likely a repressed sex drive than a lack of one...which isn't that weird. Asexuality is very uncommon - and is usually secondary to something else like antidepressant use (and we know how he felt about those) and hormonal disorders.

Tammy is a $ci robot and he shows no signs of sexuality in public appearances or in his movies. Whatever he does in private is strictly guarded by employees who sign NDA's. I saw a little bit of him on Fallon and he still is an awkward stiff. He looks fatter in the face and wears fake hair. Odd man.

Yeah, I just think he's so caught up in being "Tom Cruise™" that there's no interest in sex or relationships or anything normal. It's like he was created in a lab to be a famous movie star.

[quote]I believe he's asexual. Like Oprah.

Granted I'm not an expert on all things Oprah but to me nothing about her reads asexual. The term seems to be used many times by people who refuse to believe someone is gay or bi and try to rid the subject completely out of their sexuality.

Cruise is so far from behaving like a normal human being that it's impossible to know what he really likes. I don't remember the original reason for his gay rumors but at least that private detective saying he likes to hire guys and wrestle with them until they fuck (or whatever they did) was one reason people started to really believe he is gay. And all his career people have reacted to Cruise being a bit off in some ways. I was never a fan so I don't really remember that much about him except that he was always a bit too perfect Hollywood star, and I think he took this act too far. I think people started responding to this fakeness and started thinking he must be hiding something behind his Hollywood face.

People call him gay because it's an insult.

In Scientology, he had to go into excruciating detail of all his overts and crimes over and over again. Scientology is a life of constant interrogation. That's what auditing is. Auditing has ripped all that was human out of him. At the same time, he is treated like a messiah by the Scientology Pod Factory. He's a pod being now, asexual, mechanical, pretending to be a human.

Let's not forget that Scientology is homophobic. I think Cruise would try to keep his gay inclinations to himself. I wonder if he ever was put under the same pressure as the poor non-celeb Scienos. He was already a star when they snatched him and might've treated him like a prince from the beginning.

The reality is, though, that especially after the Oprah couch jumping not many gay men, including myself, want Cruise to be gay. He's an embarrassement. His life is so weird that it still makes him interesting, though. I mean from that fresh faced boy in Risky Business to the top figure in a cult where he physically attacks people? It's awesomely disgusting.

I believe if people would know whats going on behind the scenes with TC and scientology they would be shocked and disgusted. Cosby got nothing on TC and Miss Cabbage.

[quote]The term [asexual] seems to be used many times by people who refuse to believe someone is gay or bi and try to rid the subject completely out of their sexuality.

Bingo. It's a favorite term used by fraus when describing closeted celebs. Ryan Seacrest is frequently described as "asexual" on other sites.

The relationships he's had with women over the years have all "pinged", in that they all seem to be business arrangements rather than anything romantic or sexual. That sets off alarm bells and people automatically assume it means he must be gay. Not being interested in the opposite sex doesn't always mean that the person has an interest in their own gender, but statistically it's more likely than him being asexual. I do believe he's asexual, though. Probably gay asexual.

Really, I think the defining characteristic in terms of his sexuality is Narcissism. He's mostly interested in himself.

He was on the Daily Show Tuesday. He is extremely guarded.

He also laughed in a loud & creepy way at EVERYTHING Jon Stewart said. The exact unsettling laugh EVERY TIME. He really does not seem like a person at all.

I should have said EXTREMELY guarded while trying to seem relaxed.

I can picture him thinking he really nailed it afterwards.

So what was really up with Cruise and David Beckham? Cruise was following Beckham around everywhere, declaring that they were best pals and gazing adoringly at him whenever they were close. So what WAS up there? Was Cruise just trying to act like a person capable of making friends? Or was he trying to recruit a famous couple into his cult? Was he in love, or lust? Did he want to drain away Beckhan's youth and life force?

Now that I mention the latter, didn't Beckham's career go to hell after he spent time with Cruise - constant injuries and whatnot?

'But a part of me wants to believe that he is gay.'

Why, exactly, OP?

r30 Because I will be very happy if a gay man is the biggest movie star on the planet for decades.

R29, Beckham was already old as a player by the time they moved to US. All the injuries probably would've been there with or without Cruise. He didn't have a career anymore as serious top player at that time.

Who knows what really went on between them but I assume it was mostly business to Cruise and that he was trying to recruit Beckham who is a huge star practically everywhere in the world. Much bigger than Cruise. I can imagine Miscavige being behind it all. Even if Cruise is gay it's hard to imagine him pursuing one of the most visible men on the planet to have sex with. Although you never know, maybe he thinks people like him and Beckham are on the same level and normal people are way below.

Cruise still is an enigma. Possibly not very interesting one in the end, though.

Two of my best friends from college, now reasonably well known officials (on the east and west coasts), are regularly referred to by their colleagues and supporters as asexual. In fact, they are both Very repressed gay men: neither has acted on it in well over a decade.

Tom's probably similar.

r33 Being gay doesn't necessarily negate them being asexual. I know it's baffling and counter-intuitive but apparently most asexuals do see themselves as being either gay or straight at the same time.

At this point, I think he's completely asexual, and I don't think the public cares.

He has never pung.

There's a lot of backtracking recently from the online hordes who were screaming about how he was definitively gay. None of the ex- scions have outed him, they say his marriages are genuine and get fucked up by Miscavage.

Anyone who thinks his church-arranged marriages are genuine is incredibly naive and gullible.

He may have tried to E-meter away the gay, but--as Revolta has proven--that doesn't work too well.

Anyone who thinks his marriages/relationships are genuine should be forced to watch him jumping up and down on Oprah's couch on repeat for several hours.

"Pung"??!!! A new grammatical low, folks. Yikes.

[quote]"Pung"??!!! A new grammatical low, folks. Yikes.

A new low in stupidity. Yikes.

I think he has been up in Jeremy Renner's fuckhole for over a year now. Not kidding.

R41 I only sleep with women.

R8 15 years ago Tom was hot and therefore gay. Now he's old and embarrassing so he's not gay anymore. It's actually very typical datalounge.

At the end of the day it's his life and, it's his business. Meanwhile he did all his own stunts in the new Mission film, including the hanging-onto-aircraft-door bit.

After all this time, this, this is our discourse?

It's not a matter of if he pings or not -- the rumors started decades ago when he, like Demi Moore and others of that era, were reported to have rented themselves out. In fact, I remember hearing back in the 1990s that Moore and Cruise were part of a whole group of young, up-and-coming stars in the 1980s who slept with the right people. Jon Cryer was another.

[quote]Meanwhile he did all his own stunts in the new Mission film, including the hanging-onto-aircraft-door bit.

You really believe that???

'15 years ago Tom was hot and therefore gay. Now he's old and embarrassing so he's not gay anymore. It's actually very typical datalounge."

Very typical 'gay' in general.

Tom Cruise is gay. He's not asexual. He's not a sponge. He's a man who clearly has no sexual interest in women.

He forms attachment to men like the previously named Beckham, Paul Newman, David Miscavage, the wrestler, etc. I'm too lazy to look it up but there's a photo Cruise used in a personal ad he put before he got famous, and it could have been the cover of a late70's/early 80's porn video. (Cut off shorts, tube socks, shirtless). He was either selling himself as a masseur, a model, or both.

An early Barbara Walters interview before his vocal training featured his Major Gay Voice. In fact, Cruise used to force production companies to hire his Scientology approved sound system, which basically made his voice deeper and more "masculine" sounding. It was one of the things that pissed Spielberg off when they did War of the Worlds. That and the Scientology tent he set up on set.

I'm guessing the clams have take to the internet to push the "asexual" meme now, since the new potential fiance meme landed with a resounding thud.

As much as I hate Cruise for being a closet case, what I really can't stomach is that he has been and continues to be a chief beneficiary of Scientology slave labor. Now that he's tiptoed through the tulips for Nicole Kidman (thanks to slave creating a meadow for him), what the fuck is he going to want for an encore?

R39 and R40, unclench FFS. 'To ping' is a slang term and is ripe for messing with grammatically , you humourless miseries.

People love this tired fairy tale. The internet gave birth to so much nonsense. Cruise is a member of a cult organisation and he's clearly delusional. There is however not a shred of evidence he is gay. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. let it fucking go.

'Moore and Cruise were part of a whole group of young, up-and-coming stars in the 1980s who slept with the right people'

R45, the 'Hollywood star was a sex worker in their early days' line has been standard issue gossip since the 1910s. It does not make the gossip true. There are credible accounts that some stars worked as prostitutes - Crawford, Monroe. There is about as much evidence for Cruise having been a rent boy as there is for Mickey Rooney.

R29 , you rare drawing a very long bow, dear.

'So what was really up with Cruise and David Beckham?' - nothing much, they went to some ball games.

'Cruise was following Beckham around everywhere' No, he wash't. You are wildly exaggerating.

' declaring that they were best pals and gazing adoringly at him whenever they were close. So what WAS up there? ' Nothing was up, they just hung out for a period. You are imagining things. . 'Was Cruise just trying to act like a person capable of making friends? Or was he trying to recruit a famous couple into his cult?' Probably the latter. But he had no luck, and the friendship cooled.

' Did he want to drain away Beckhan's youth and life force?' Go and have a lie down, dear.

'Now that I mention the latter, didn't Beckham's career go to hell after he spent time with Cruise - constant injuries and whatnot?' Beckham had played professional soccer since his teens. Those players bodies are worn out by their mid thirties. Stop being ridiculous.

[quote]Cruise used to force production companies to hire his Scientology approved sound system, which basically made his voice deeper and more "masculine" sounding.

R52 sounds like a clam. In fact, Becks and Tommy did set tongues wagging as, for a time, they were everywhere together as each other's date. Rarely were the lads out with Posh and Katie as a foursome.

Yeah, it's called ClearSound and at the time of Far and Away, the Co$ leased it to Paramount for $120,000 per picture.

Two birds with one stone: Cruise got to butch it up and raked in a huge (involuntary) donation for the cult.

The paragraph after the quote belongs last. Sorry.

'In fact, Becks and Tommy did set tongues wagging as, for a time,'

They set yours wagging, R53, you over-excitable tart.

The other red flag is Nicole Kidman still talking favorably about Cruise in interviews, even though Cruise and the church label her as a suppressive and he never talks about her. Is she on the payroll? Stupid? Penelope Cruz said Tom was extravagantly romantic but would never kiss her. Closet case. Also rumored to be HIV.

As others have said, Cruise comes across as not being interested in sex, as if he's above it. He was more than likely different when he first started in Hollywood and before the "Church" got to him. The story of him wanting to enter a religious life when he was a teenage / young man doesn't really raise any flags to me. Many young people entertain that idea at one time or another but then quickly dismiss it once they realize what it involves. It may have sexual connotations - or it may not - but Cruise seems to have a fondness for alpha males and their roles in the military, athletics, etc. (But then, so did George W. Bush.)

How did he get Katie pregnant if he is asexual ?

Chris Klein is the father of Suri. Tom never sees Suri anymore.

R58 Tom is NOT asexual. How many women have you ever heard complaining Tom's abilities in bed? Not one.

And how many women have you heard say that Tom was a great lover? Look at all the women he is supposed to have been with. Every single relationship was a sham.

Interesting fact: When Nicole Kidman gave her first interview to the late, great Movieline magazine she hadn't been properly schooled by the Co$ yet. She wasn't Mrs. Cruise yet.

She was perhaps taken aback when the interviewer asked her flat out if Tom was gay. Instead of the flat denials of later years, she gave an equivocal response:

"He's not gay in my experience. You'd have to ask him."

Janet Charlton absolutely hates $cientology but says TC is straight. She would love to discredit both by the gay rumor but speaks the truth on his orientation.

What thrill do gays get by perpetuating a falsehood? We don't want him.

But how would Janet Charleton know anything real about Tom? On that phone call that was taped, even Nicole alludes to Tom's secrets.

R62, grasping at straws. She said 'he's not gay', what do you fucking want?

When Tom was young, he had terrible jacked up teeth, and he spent a few years trying to make it in the movie biz before he got his teeth fixed in that Brooke Shields movie. He was as poor as could be. i always assumed he worked for a little bit as an escort (like Thomas Jane and Al Pacino and many others did) to pay the bills. I've always assumed that's where the rumors came from. As he got older, all his libidinal energies went into maintaining and controlling his career--he once wanted to be a monk, remember. But unlike Travolta or Burt Reynolds, there have been very, very, very few stories about men he's fucked.

before he got his teeth fixed in that Brooke Shields movie.

this should read, "before he got his teeth fixed and got the part in that Brooke Shields movie (Endless Love)"

It goes well beyond 'stories' with Travolta. He kissed his manny on the mouth on those plane steps. He's got Bill Cosby levels of accusers that he harassed / cruised them. He's photographed hanging out in WeHo outside gay bars. He barely gives a fuck anymore.

There is nothing like that on Cruise. Never has been, never will be.

R65 is the one grasping at straws. Nicole dodged the question.

I've been on DL since at least 2002 and TC has never been any object of desire here. Gays aren't wishing for him to be gay any more than we wish Richard Simmons would come out.

However, there are some posters pretty desperate to push this straight/asexual idea. Fanfraus or cult members? I vote for the latter since I don't think that many fraus even care passionately about him now.

She answered the question in the manner that a fucking professional would answer such a stupid question about the orientation of a co-worker. She did not 'dodge' it. Look, if you want to spank your plank to the idea of wrestling Tom Cruise go ahead, R69, no one gives a shit that you want to fuck him.

Need I remind you about the gayest outing in the history of Television. How could anyone have a doubt that Tom is gay after this?

I love it. R70 is having a complete meltdown. Now she's projecting her own masturbatory fantasies onto R69.

Who would have dreamed such a mild story about Nicole would cause such a freakout?

this is op

People keep trying push these falacies: Tom Cruise is asexual Datalounge thinks everyone hot is gay

I personally think Tom is gay, but has put a hold on any gay activity because that wrestler got so much publicity. None of his relationship with women have been organic. I mean, when is the last time he dated a woman for a while and it ended without marriage?

Travolta is bisexual. The gay rumors surrounding him are greatly inflated and more a case of wishful thinking than anything concrete.

[quote]He kissed his manny on the mouth on those plane steps.

Men kiss other men on the lips as a sign of friendship.

[quote]He's got Bill Cosby levels of accusers that he harassed / cruised them.

He does not. And cruising isn't a crime, BTW.

[quote]He's photographed hanging out in WeHo outside gay bars.

Link, please. And since when does hanging outside a gay bar mean you're gay. He might have been walking past it.

Unlike Cruise who's been in three failed relationships, Travolta has been in a rock solid marriage to Kelly Preston for decades now. Marilu Henner has also talked about their long term on and off again relationship together and he had well reported dalliances with Carly Simon and Olivia Newton John.

No woman brags about Cruise being hot in bed the way women have with Travolta.

A disagreement about Cruise's sexuality or lack of it leads someone to make clam accusations? FFS.

He lived with Rebecca DeMornay years after Risky Business, and after that he lived with Cher for a while. You're not gonna tell me he wasn't putting the stones to those women.

He and DeMornay sizzled onscreen in RB.

Oh, God, you know the $cientos have arrived. Now, they're saying Revolta is into women:

[quote]The gay rumors surrounding him are greatly inflated and more a case of wishful thinking than anything concrete.

This would be a good parody post (except the clam expects us to believe it). The wishful thinking business is especially hilarious.

Oh, and R77, Cher also "dated" David Geffen.

Might his problems with his niece's normal teenage behavior be indicative of his overall uptightness and problems with sexuality? (see link)

I think what most people on this thread who have used "asexual" to describe Cruise mean that he is so deeply fucked up and repressed about [italic]any[/italic] sexuality that normal and spontaneous expressions, gay or straight, are beyond his capacity. The closest we've heard of any expression of gay sexuality on his part is the story about the costumed wrestlers which is rather bizarre and emotionally stunted. It reminds me of stories of deeply closeted Mormons who like weird costume role play (think Boy Scout outfits). And the controlling, engulfing and clinging to his "romantic" partners? Forced, unnatural, OTT, frightening and about as unsexy as it can get.

I don't know if he's gay. I think the closet to the truth we'll get is Rathbun's testimony. Of course, it doesn't mean that Cruise isn't gay; maybe just really good at repressing, so much so that he even beat the e-meter.

R80 I cannot imagine Tom being relaxed in bed, but reserved, if he ever have anyone in his bed.

[quote]Now, they're saying Revolta is into women

I said he was bisexual. You do know what that means?

[quote]The wishful thinking business is especially hilarious.

Well I did ask for links. Looks like the laugh is on you.

The reason that people think Tom is asexual is because there haven't been any rumors about men for decades, even in Scientology tell-alls, and his relationships with women are obviously publicity-motivated shams.

There doesn't seem to be the slightest shred of passion in him, or any interest in other people - just ego and narcissism on a level not seen since Joan Crawford left his world.

If John Travolta is bisexual and not gay, why does all the cheating scandals involve just men? Why not hire a female for a massage/ happy ending?

Rogers was, essentially, outing him. The objective in Scientology is not to turn a gay person straight...it's to expunge their desire and make them asexual. That's the 'cure' they propose for gay people, within their organization. I had a friend who was a Scientologist (long story), and he said that the real objective was to get gay people to be celibate and to lose their desire. There was some understanding you couldn't make someone straight. You might be able to divert a bisexual away from gay desires, but a truly gay person had to be made sexless. I think that's what was done with Cruise.

Cruise was rumored to have once been one of Calvin Klein's boys. apparently he hung around Klein's coterie of boys, and the porn star "Ryan Idol", who'd also been around Klein then, outed him. But Scientology supposedly threatened Idol to keep his mouth shut and he quickly complied.

Kelly Preston is a raging lez, so that purely is a marriage of convenience. And if Tammy lived with Rebecca DeMornay it was out of friendship. She apparently wrote a play about befriending an actor who revealed to her that he had a rentboy past. Of course it was shelved and she probably got a big check. My feeling is that all the dirt on Tammy will come out when he dies and can't sue. Disney has photos of him kissing a boyfriend at the Magic Kingdom. And a lot of these so-called investigations clearing him of gay activity were actually designed by his people to cover it up.

In actuality, when Mimi Rogers started seeing Tom, he had a huge philandering problem. He was addicted to sex, he was always sleeping with other women, that's why she got him into Scientology because she thought it could help him with his sex addiction. That's what her friend told Tony Ortega.

Do you think Andrew Morton, who wrote a Tom Cruise, biography would've revealed Tom was gay if he had knowledge of it? It was anticipated he would come up with something, but he didn't.

The story about the wrestler makes sense as TC was into wrestling in high school. It got him hot, he fetishized the experiences, and continues to act it out in adulthood.

Why was Andrew Morton relying on Paul Baressi for his intel on Tom Cruise's homosexuality or lack thereof?

[quote]In actuality, when Mimi Rogers started seeing Tom, he had a huge philandering problem.

I heard he had a huge phallus gobbling problem!

[quote]Do you think Andrew Morton, who wrote a Tom Cruise, biography would've revealed Tom was gay if he had knowledge of it?

Not unless he had photographs or videos of Cruise with a cock in his mouth, since TC is is the most litigious member of a highly litigious, vindictive cult with deep pockets.

The only reason Morton was able to write a scandalous biography of Diana was because Diana herself fed him the stories.

Just because he has bad taste in wigs does not mean he is straight.

If he's gay I bet he likes black meat. Real mandingos.

What happened with that lawsuit from some guy he supposedly gave an STD? Many people assumed the A-List actor was either Cruise or Revolta.

[quote]Well I did ask for links. Looks like the laugh is on you.

Have you heard of Google? But I'll give you a good starting place, and it's not a tabloid.

In a cover story on May 6, 1991, Time magazine outed Travolta in an expose on Scientology:

[bold]The church's former head of security, Richard Aznaran, recalls Scientology ringleader Miscavige repeatedly joking to staffers about Travolta's allegedly promiscuous homosexual behavior. At this point any threat to expose Travolta seems superfluous: last May a male porn star collected $100,000 from a tabloid for an account of his alleged two-year liaison with the celebrity. Travolta refuses to comment, and in December his lawyer dismissed questions about the subject as "bizarre." Two weeks later, Travolta announced that he was getting married to actress Kelly Preston, a fellow Scientologist.[/bold]

The article, "The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power," actually has its own Wikipedia page describing the article's impact and fallout. The complete article is linked below;

I always just assumed Cruise was gay, because people talk about it as though it's just one of those things EVERYONE knows. But there doesn't seem to be much to actually back it up. It's possible, but asexuality is a possibility as well.

Travolta is a completely different matter. Apart from anything else, Carrie Fisher essentially outed him a few years ago in a magazine interview.

His wrestler. Looks familiar doesn't he?

[quote]. Apart from anything else, Carrie Fisher essentially outed him a few years ago in a magazine interview.

I thought she outed him from the stage at some awards show. Or maybe that was someone else...

I cant be the only gay man who never,ever gave a shit about someones sexuality. My only concern was wether they were going to have sex with me or not,the rest is just white noise ! I will never understand this obsession with defining someone elses preferences,what the fuck does it matter ?!?

It didn't help when Oprah and Kirsty Alley argued over who was Travolta's best gal pal on national TV. Since when do straight men have two middle aged women as best friends even though he's married to a younger, hotter woman?

I remember watching that episode of Oprah with my sister who said "well that's the nail in his Herero coffin". That was at least a decade ago. Since then it's been accusation after accusation.

At least Tom Cruise, whether gay, bi, straight or sociopathic, rarely lets his true self interfere with his public persona. The only time his public image suffered was just after he stupidly fired Pat Kingsley.

M y best friend was handling Manhattan major expensive rentals in the late 80's=early 90's and he told me he had these new clients,, then showing, and then had rented to Tom Cruise and a major woman star, who never bearded anyone. She was a cougar.

Jackie Stallone?

While I do not recall the context or the exact quote, Roseanne addressed this years ago. She made a comment about gays badly wanting Tom to be gay, there being no evidence of it, and for them to let it go - implying (or stating) that as an insider she knew of what she spoke. At that time, Roseanne was gay-friendly and rather no bullshit; and as such, believable.

I think all the evidence proves is that Tom has had 3 failed marriages, and his last wife we to great extremes to get away from him. He keeps his shit tight, but no one really knows him except the high level $ci police.

I'm not an expert on asexuals but the few I've seen seem to lack certain inner fire, like they can't get super passionate about anything really. Cruise is not like that all, you can clearly see he's got loads of spunk in him.

To me Tom C has the look of someone who been involved with the same person for many, many years. If Tom is gay, there is no way he is single.

Probably been bonking the same dude for decades.

[quote]the 'Hollywood star was a sex worker in their early days' line has been standard issue gossip since the 1910s. It does not make the gossip true.

Of course not. Are you able to follow a conversation? Because I brought it up entirely because those were the first rumors about Cruise -- that he was a rentboy -- and those rumors morphed into gay rumors. That's what some of us were talking about.

I have no fucking clue why people like you come to a gossip site and then bitch that people are talking gossip.

I love the idea that Tom used to be a philanderer but now (and for the last 30 years) his every single attempt to express any kind of romantic or sexual feeling towards the opposite sex comes across as painfully false and inept.

[quote]Disney has photos of him kissing a boyfriend at the Magic Kingdom.

That makes sense. Someone who has gone to extreme lengths to conceal his (alleged) homosexual would indulge in PDAs in one of the most public places in the world. Even if the park was closed just for him, there are security cameras everywhere, as Tom would, of course, know.

wow now the scientologyshrills have overtaken this thread all forthesake of a movie ratings. yeah sure he is. thats why in 2011 he invited zac efronover to teach him about motorcycles and to ride. every 48 year old man wants to do that. if i remember the article Zac said he was leaving a hotel lobby and cruise ran up to him and startled him, telling him to come ride. then shortly afterward zac was on kimmel and said they met at a party and talked about cycles. geez. yeah sounds straight

[quote]his every single attempt to express any kind of romantic or sexual feeling towards the opposite sex comes across as painfully false and inept.

I think that's why his career as a serious actor died and he can only do things like M.I. or other action films.

At one time, he nearly won the Oscar. It was his bad luck that Daniel Day-Lewis also played a "differently-abled" person that year. The Academy adores when actors can convincingly play sick/retarded/dying etc.

Too bad for Tom that DDL was up. I saw both films and they both acted their asses off. In any other year, Tom would have gotten the Oscar. But DDL blew me away in a theoritically dull film. Not much drama, just raw pain.

Nonetheless, it was Tom's best acting. $cientology has now blunted his affect to the point that he only plays "big" scenes, and that not well.

He can't play heterosexual any more but, based on this thread, plenty of people like the idea that he's asexual. It's safer than the reality.

sure he is straight i mean. bros love to ride cycles with other bros and i think cruise just wanted to help zac from going out of control with good advice and it worked zac is better than ever and i dare to say a great cycle rider. tom loves the ladies and they love him. but he saves his heart for the right woman imo, like a true romantic. And his movies are good enough they don't need advertising. sorry if i offended any posters

I love R113.

Please drink some coffee and eat something before going to work.

'but no one really knows him except the high level $ci police.'

And the ones who quit Scientology say Cruise is not gay and that his marriage to Kidman was romantic / sexual.

Those ex-Scientologists, who want to expose the cult and its bullshit, including the one who 'audited' Cruise, say he's straight.

Let it go, already.

Scientology fraus are trying to control the narrative. Britches give it up, your home boy Tommy crayy is probably a repressed gay man

Tammy is a psycho. He still does that crazy laugh on talk shows and is 100% uptight. Where is a girlfriend if he is straight?

R115, Cruise was their crown prince. You really think he'd ever let it slip he likes cock to anyone at Scientology? Not saying there's any real proof he's gay but I am saying that at least older guys here know how deep some closets go. If someone, especially an actor, wants to hide his sexuality he can.

The clams always end with "Just stop that!" "You know you're wrong!"

Or "Let it go, FFS"

Here's what the $cientos think when you call them out:

[quote]the term clam to refer to Scientologists can be adequately compared to other derogatory terms such as "Nigger"

No fucking joke. They wrote that. No wonder now why the clams freak....they're so "sensitive."

Well, I'll take my chances, clams.

No link for the quote because it takes you to a Co$ site and it's hard to get rid of their spyware and malware. But it's easy to find, if you're brave or so inclined.

The red flag about Tom is that he dumped Mimi Rogers for a trophy wife, Nicole, who ended up wanting to be a big star. Then he dumped Nicole over $ci. Then after auditioning (!) actresses for another trophy wife, he settled on Katie Holmes, who dumped him because she had no freedom. Every move of his is based on ego and fame, the desire for PR, and not burning heterosexual love. Gay.

[quote]he settled on Katie Holmes, who dumped him because she had no freedom

And she refused to let her daughter be brought up as a Scientologist. Before leaving Tom, Katie went to Australia. Though they weren't photographed together, many people think she asked Nicole Kidman for help in her exit strategy.

Whether she talked to Kidman or not, Holmes backdoored Tommy in a way he never expected. The public supported her wildly, completely for getting her child out of an unhealthy environment.

Tom very rarely sees or has any contact (even telephonic) with Suri as she's now a SP in clam-talk. He occasionally has photo-ops but he has no contact with her otherwise.

I feel bad for the kid, but she'll be much better off in the long run.

Is her official name "Suri Cruise"?

[quote]his every single attempt to express any kind of romantic or sexual feeling towards the opposite sex comes across as painfully false and inept.

Have you see Risky Business?

Tom is gay and so is Demorney and so is Bruce Wagner.

Christ, the fraus on here. After seeing Top Gun I told co workers he was gay. He pinged. He really pinged in that movie about the kids in the military school. God he pinged in that. Then all the rumors in the tabs. The rumors of him and Paul Newman. He is not asexual. That is just stupid and said by people who don't want to think he is gay. There were rumors about him and Renner. Comedians I have seen live like Joan Rivers, Wanda Sykes, have told jokes about him being gay. Rivers would really tear into him with jokes that accepted he was gay and in the closet. And guess what? The little shit never threatened to sue them. Not his fellow celebrities. Why? Because they all know he is gay.

The fraus always prefer asexual to gay. I am not sure why.

Girls like to play with dolls, R126.

I did not think he was gay but when a guy has to contract all of his relationships it's easy to figure out.

I still say Suri belongs to Josh Hartnett.

They don't want there hearthrobs to be gay. They wouldn't stand a chance with them and they don't want to imagine them with a dick up their ass. Apparently, when asexual Tom Cruise meets them they will cause a fire in his loins and he will realize that he is straight. And all will be right in their fantasy world. It is amazing how many male hearthrobs are asexual. Cruise, Jackman, Renner...Remember when they would post that Wentworth was asexual. And Bomer.

r125 Can you point out a scene in Top Gun ( or post the video) where he pinged and came across as gay?

And Keanu is always asexual, in fact he might be virgin (thank you, Jesús!).

The a-sex is where the man...?

Weird, as a teenager I found Tom hot, today his public image has ruined it. But I still like MI movies. When I watch them I try to forget his real personality. Is he gay? I don't know. I would say he is either asexual or deep deep in the closet or denial or straight.

R42 oh, really now.

R131, the whole fucking movie like all his action films. It is a forced, false machismo that doesn't ring true. Very evident in the military movie. And it is not about acting unless you think of it as the inability to act like a straight male. Which actually is a problem in his movie romances. This was also a problem for Jodie Foster. Good actress but couldn't act sexually attracted to a man in a movie. She always pinged too. In fact, before she came out she was another who had people posting that they couldn't see her having sex with anyone and she was surely asexual.

My theory about Tom Cruise: His orientation is gay, but his actual sex drive is quite low. This isn't uncommon among narcissists, which I believe he is. And then you have all the anti-gay Scieno shit and god only knows how much that's fucked him up. So no, he is not heterosexual but at the same time I doubt he has much sex with men, if at all.

R136 I never thought he had a problem looking at a woman and it looking like a sexual attraction. Of course the man is gay but why does that make you attack his acting skill? The problem is in your mind, not his acting.

I think Suri should be introduced to her real Dad. The guy must be a real asshole. If you remember, Tom purposdly waited until after she was born before he married her mother.

I would be curious to know when the first time a thread about TC's sexuality appeared on DataLounge. I'm going to guess: Day 1 of DataLounge. It was certainly already a recurring topic by 1998, when I first came to the DL. So good on Tom that we are obviously obsessed enough with his private life that we prattle on about it for going on decades, despite having roughly no information.

Don't let it bother you r140. Most of us have common sense and eventually we recognize a big liar when we see one.

I desperately wanted the Tom Cruise from Risky Business, Endless Love and All the Right Moves to be gay when I was a teen. He was so beautiful, and exuded sexuality. Something happened later: it's like he was castrated chemically or something, because suddenly he had no sex appeal. I knew nothing then about Scientology, or how phony everything in Hollywood is, but I agree with others on this thread that he is gay or bi, but has a low sex drive, and keeps it on the down low. But the wrestling story has never been discredited. And he has no chemistry onscreen with other actors at all any more, male or female. Watch Top Gun again sometime; there is so much tension between him, Val Kilmer, and the other guys that you can cut it with a knife(sorry, Caitlyn!).

I know this thread about Tom Cruise's pingworthiness and the linked article is from Buzzfeed, but it's still an interesting read on how fall he's fallen, image-wise

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The Failure Of Tom Cruise 2.0

As Tom Cruise makes the publicity rounds for Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation, there’s no trace of his couch-jumping public implosion. But can those of us who knew him as the greatest star on earth ever shake the catastrophe of the last 10 years?

Don't know if he's gay but I know he had a relationship with David Geffen in which they had sex many times.

R60 his first wife complained.

Direct quote from Playboy interview with Mimi Rogers, 1989

“He was seriously thinking of becoming a monk. He thought he had to be celibate to maintain the purity of his instrument, but my instrument needed tuning, and we had to split.”

He is really creepy at any rate. And the other happyology stuff adds to the overall creep factor.

"Every move of his is based on ego and fame, the desire for PR, and not burning heterosexual love. Gay."

To be precise, an absence of heterosexuality does not mean a person is gay. They could be asexual, or be so devoted to some paraphillia that doesn't involve ordinary humans.

And yes, I agree that Scientology has done something very wierd to Tom's on a sexual level, when he was young he seemed to have a sexual aura, and was able to interact with other humans in a manner that seemed normal and believable. They've turned him into something very strange and wrong, and he's let them do it. He's a narcissist, ridding himself of his humanity probably struck him as a good idea.

PENIS MOM PENIS

I'd still fuck him.

That Buzzfeed article is a good summary of the Tammy Trajectory. He is so stiff and you can tell talk show hosts just want to get him on and off as quickly as possible. The fake laugh, the oh so seriousness about stunts, he doesn't say anything to indicate that he has friends or a family. No spontaneous human response left in him.

Also, the fake beaming at other guests (as he did on Graham Norton, the other guest being Seth McFarlane) is somewhat disturbing.

Why would anyone want to believe he's gay? The guy is a Scientologist crackpot.

[R87] I read the Underground Bunker (Tony Ortega) a lot, and I've never read that Mimi said Tom Cruise had been a sex addict. Would you please provide a link?

I wonder how his career will develop in the next 20 years. I agree he can only really do those action films now and 10 years ago I would have said that at his current age he can't have many of those left in him, but we have those embarrassing films now with all these old '80s action stars still being wheeled out to throw grenades at each other and shoot big automatic guns while their wrinkles jiggle. So who knows?

Are movie audiences interested in seeing him play fiftysomething dads with kids in their twenties/thirties? I mean, there are far better dramatic and comedic actors in the same age range.

Liam Neeson has been very effective in the action movie field the past few years. I can see Cruise doing the same if he doesn't lose his looks completely. His Jack Reacher was rather good although can't say others couldn't have played his role easily.

He was very convincing as the sociopathic hitman in whatever that movie was called. He seemed very natural as a driven sociopath. Passionately cool.

[quote]When it was revealed that Christian Bale took his inspiration for the look of American Psycho’s Patrick Bateman from watching Tom Cruise’s hollow, perfect laugh in a Letterman interview, it didn’t seem like a jab. It made perfect, terrifying sense.

I'd never heard this. Hysterical.

Here you go R153, not exactly sex addiction, but he was a huge philanderer:

'A close family friend to Mimi tells us that part of the reason Mimi wanted to get Cruise Scientology training was that she thought it would help him handle what she perceived to be his major flaw — his philandering. “Tom was fucking everything that moved,” the friend tells us. “But they were all women. I know why the gay rumors started later, but it had nothing to do with who he was having sex with. He slept with women, and he slept with a lot of them.”'

Regarding the celibate monk thing:

'In 1993, Rogers posed for Playboy, and was asked by the magazine why she and Cruise had split up. “Well, here’s the real story. Tom was seriously thinking of becoming a monk. At least for that period of time, it looked as though marriage wouldn’t fit into his overall spiritual need. And he thought he had to be celibate to maintain the purity of his instrument.” The magazine said that she added, drily, “My instrument needed tuning.”

'Ever since, this quote has been repeated to explain why the couple split — because Tom Cruise was some sort of celibate seeker.

'But her close family friend assures us that wasn’t the case.

'“Mimi has a wry sense of humor, and that was just a joke.”'

Ah, "a close family friend". That's usually journalist-speak for "completely made-up person".

R161, Tony Ortega doesn't make up his sources. He has always been reliable.

Think about this logically -- why would Tony Ortega, who is always out to throw Scientology under the bus, want to help keep Cruise closeted? What would be his motivation for inventing up a "close family friend" source?

[quote] Think about this logically -- why would Tony Ortega, who is always out to throw Scientology under the bus, want to help keep Cruise closeted? What would be his motivation for inventing up a "close family friend" source?

But that's precisely why he would presumably invent the source. Here we have Mimi Rogers herself admitting that she split-up with Cruise because he wasn't the least bit interested in having sex with her. Ortega, as you say, is always out to throw Scientology under the bus. But he can't do that here because, as Mimi infers, they split up because Cruise is gay not because of Scientology. So, invent a "close family friend" who contradicts Rogers and claims that Cruise was in fact a sex maniac and couldn't get enough of women... and it was really Scientology that split them up.

If an article cites an unnamed "close family friend" (or variation thereof) then it's a pretty good bet that the source is made up. It's standard tabloid practice.

The funny thing about Top Gun was that Kelly McGillis was butcher and tougher than all those male fighter pilots.

R163, I trust Tony on this one. When he broke the news that Leah Remini was leaving Scientology, he used an unnamed source.

Werq those hips gurl!

r165 I trust Mimi Rogers on this one, as she is one of the two people most likely to know why they split up (and the other isn't an unnamed "close family friend"); plus it's not easy to admit that her A-List "Hollywood Heartthrob" husband wasn't interested in her sexually. Sorry, but the idea that she would make-up such a claim as a joke is ridiculous.

R167, even before the Tony Ortega article, I never took that quote from Mimi seriously, it was obvious she was joking around. Seriously, Tom Cruise was thinking about becoming a monk? For what religion? Hello? OF COURSE, SHE WAS KIDDING AROUND!! You actually thought she was SERIOUS!?

At the end of the day, Tony Ortega's story is the one that makes more sense. Scientologists were quitting the Church in droves back in the '80s around the time Miscavige took over, and Mimi's father was one of them. David Miscavige didn't want his competition to have their own celebrity poster boy. I believe that David Miscavige broke up Tom and Mimi.

[quote]r167, even before the Tony Ortega article, I never took that quote from Mimi seriously, it was obvious she was joking around. Seriously, Tom Cruise was thinking about becoming a monk? For what religion? Hello? OF COURSE, SHE WAS KIDDING AROUND!! You actually thought she was SERIOUS!?

I'm sorry, I get that you don't want to believe that Cruise is gay, I really do, but the idea that any female star - much less one who was world famous for snagging the most eligible bachelor and desired male star in Hollywood - would joke about her husband not wanting to have sex with her is ridiculous. She obviously made the "monk" quip because she couldn't come out and say he was gay and that was why he didn't want her, but the inference is quite clear.

[quote]Tony Ortega's story is the one that makes more sense

The story that the clearly gay Tom Cruise (who's clearly never had any interest in women and whose relationships have all clearly been arranged and sexless) split up with Mimi because he's gay makes much more sense than some convoluted sinister tale that requires a "close family friend" made-up source to substantiate it, my love.

He has the creepiest laughter I have ever heard. Each time he is "laughing" I get shivers down my spine. Ugh! I have never watched any of his flick (that I can remember of) but I wonder if the interview "laughter" matches the laughter in movies. Creep, creep, creep...

I think Tom is a sociopath. Not gay, not straight, nothing, just dead emotionally. He married all three wives under false pretences. I don't think any of them knew who he really was until after the marriage. I think he married Mimi because he became involved in Scientology and she had connections. Eventually he decided they were the wrong Scientology connections and cut her free. He married Nicole because she was new to hollywood, naive and in awe of him. Katie Holmes was young, had a career going nowhere and like Nicole was totally star struck. And in every case the actresse's fathers became a nuisance and the marriage ended. In Nicole's case, not only was her dad a psychologist, but Tom just couldn't keep up the act that he cared about her. She complained for years that he'd gone cold. He's like a ghost. His public persona is an invention and he thrives on acting because he gets a script and it tells him who to be.

[quote]I'm sorry, I get that you don't want to believe that Cruise is gay,

Hey, I'd love it if Tom Cruise were gay, I just haven't seen sufficient evidence.

[quote]I really do, but the idea that any female star - much less one who was world famous for snagging the most eligible bachelor and desired male star in Hollywood - would joke about her husband not wanting to have sex with her is ridiculous. She obviously made the "monk" quip because she couldn't come out and say he was gay and that was why he didn't want her, but the inference is quite clear.

I think that was point of her joke -- to make people think that he was gay. It was a way of putting him down. But you have to remember, he was cheating on her with Nicole Kidman. Do you think it's easy for her to want to talk about being dumped for a younger woman?

[quote]The story that the clearly gay Tom Cruise (who's clearly never had any interest in women and whose relationships have all clearly been arranged and sexless) split up with Mimi because he's gay makes much more sense than some convoluted sinister tale that requires a "close family friend" made-up source to substantiate it, my love.

Tony isn't a tabloid reporter, so I wouldn't be suspicious of the "close family friend" thing. You have to remember, WHY was Tom Cruise staying away from Scientology for most of the '90s? It was because of Nicole. Do you really think Tom Cruise would care if Nicole were cheating on him if he were really gay? Remember, he had the telephones wiretapped. He was suspicious of her. I'm guessing he may have broken up with her because he caught her cheating on him. He didn't become a gung-ho Scientologist until after breaking up with Nicole.

Sorry, my love, but there's just more evidence that points to Tony Ortega's story. Besides, it's Marty Rathbun who says that the Church broke up Tom and Mimi (the latter didn't necessarily know everything what was going on at the time).

[quote]I think he married Mimi because he became involved in Scientology and she had connections. Eventually he decided they were the wrong Scientology connections and cut her free.

He didn't get involved with Mimi through Scientology, he got involved with Scientology through Mimi. He didn't marry Mimi because she had "connections", he didn't need any connections.

[quote]Katie Holmes was young, had a career going nowhere and like Nicole was totally star struck.

I wouldn't say that Katie had a career going nowhere. Remember, she had just finished filming Batman Begins before she started seeing Tom Cruise. Her career was moving up. If it hadn't been for her public relationship with Tom Cruise, she most likely would have been in The Dark Knight. It was the marriage to Tom Cruise that sidetracked her career.

OP here. I thought looking at the thread title and OP, one would come up with some evidence ( at least circumstantial) that he is gay but looks like there is nothing that suggests he is gay after all after almost 200 odd comments. Sigh.

[quote]WHY was Tom Cruise staying away from Scientology for most of the '90s? It was because of Nicole. Do you really think Tom Cruise would care if Nicole were cheating on him if he were really gay? Remember, he had the telephones wiretapped. He was suspicious of her.

He wasn't staying away from Scientology, he just had a great publicist who kept all that bullshit away from the press in the '90s. He didn't fire Pat Kingsley and suddenly go deep into Scientology, he fired her and suddenly there was no one to help him hide the fact that he was a nutcase Scientologist closet case with a very tenuous grasp of how to project sexual and emotional interest in women.

And I'm guessing he tapes his contract wives and everyone else in his circle because he's a narcissist who tries to keep a tight control on everyone around him. He may be suspicious of his wives, but it's highly doubtful that he's motivated by jealousy as he clearly isn't sexually interested in any of them, as anyone who's observed him can attest (just ask Mimi; she knows!).

[quote]He wasn't staying away from Scientology

Actually, he was. This has been reported by Marc Headley and Marty Rathbun. From around 1993 until 2001, Tom Cruise had virtually nothing to do with Scientology. No involvement. It was Marty Rathbun's job to get Tom Cruise to return to the fold.

Seeing as no woman has ever claimed to have sex with Tom, this notion of him being a pussy hound is ridiculous.

Mimi Rogers was bangin' in the 80s. A straight man would've been hitting that daily. Verdict:Tom is totally gay.

R178, I'm sure he was hitting. But... who was hotter in 1990, Nicole Kidman or Mimi Rogers? It wouldn't be out of character for a straight man to cheat on Mimi Rogers with Nicole Kidman.

Except Tom and Nicole were never sexual. Watch early interviews with Nicole and she talks about him like they were purely friends, even when they were married. All of the faux PR relationships for Tom were approved and arranged by Miscavige. Now they can't get anyone to agree to beard so they don't even try anymore.

Around 8:15, Tom DeVocht says, "I don't think Cruise is gay. I did sit there and listen to stuff. And who, truthfully, who the fuck cares anyway?"

How delusional do you have to be to look at Tom Cruise and how he acts around women, then look at all his marriages and how they seemed at the time and how they eventually played out, and STILL think he has the slightest sexual or romantic interest in women???

R180, I personally know people who worked at the Gold Base who planted the meadow of flowers for Tom and Nicole to roll around in. That's not PR.

'Maureen Bolstad, who was at the base for 17 years and left after a falling-out with the church, recalled a rainy night 15 years ago when a couple of dozen Scientologists scrambled to deal with "an all-hands situation" that kept them working through dawn. The emergency, she said: planting a meadow of wildflowers for Cruise to romp through with his new love, Kidman.

'"We were told that we needed to plant a field and that it was to help Tom impress Nicole," said Bolstad, who said she spent the night pulling up sod so the ground could be seeded in the morning.

'The flowers eventually bloomed, Bolstad said, "but for some mysterious reason it wasn't considered acceptable by Mr. Miscavige. So the project was rejected and they redid it."'

From that Tony Ortega article:

'In 1989, Miscavige brought Cruise to Scientology’s secretive 500-acre “Int Base” near Hemet, California and assigned the church’s “Inspector General” — Sea Org executive Greg Wilhere — to be Tom’s auditor. Rathbun says that he and Wilhere shared an office in one of the compound’s buildings known as “The Villas” (Miscavige had another of them all to himself as his residence) and he was privy to the daily discussions as Miscavige told Wilhere what he wanted said to Cruise during his counseling sessions.

“Miscavige was micromanaging the living hell out of it behind the scenes,” Rathbun says. “Miscavige wanted to own Tom. He didn’t want Spickler to have any connection to him. Dave was maneuvering himself into being Tom’s opinion leader and best friend. He needed Wilhere to convince Tom that anything good that happened to him, you have to attribute to Dave. The purpose was to make Dave a god in his eyes.” (John Brousseau, who escaped from the base in 2010, tells us Miscavige eventually prevailed.)

'Filming for Days of Thunder began in the Charlotte area in the fall of 1989, and Cruise moved into a secluded lake house provided by Rick Hendrick of Hendrick Motorsports. About two weeks later, some household staff came into the dwelling and were surprised to see one of Cruise’s assistants waving at them, warning them not to come any further, and to keep quiet.

'“He’s in there with a woman. We need to get out of here,” the assistant said. “He’s in bed with Nicole. I saw her arm and her hair, I know it’s her.”

'Cruise had convinced producers Don Simpson and Jerry Bruckheimer to cast Nicole Kidman for Days of Thunder after he’d seen her in Dead Calm. As Wright points out in Going Clear, her presence on the cast doesn’t make a lot of sense — at 22, she was too young to be the neurosurgeon she plays in the movie. But Cruise wanted her in, and he got her. And then, two weeks into the shoot, they were sleeping together back at his lake house.'

Never sexual, huh, R180?

r183 Yes because one thing a young virile straight man who is sexually interested in a woman will do is get a load of servants to PLANT A MEADOW OF WILDFLOWERS FOR THEM TO "ROMP" IN. Meanwhile, all the real heterosexual men are too busy actually screwing their girlfriends and wives to even think of such a thing.

[quote]Never sexual, huh, r180?

Well, you've quoted me some more unnamed sources from Tony Ortega's very dodgy article above; so you should take that with a very large pinch of salt.

Look, it's quite obvious you're a straight woman with a deep emotional investment in the idea of Tom Cruise as a straight man who is sexually available to women, but the overwhelming evidence is that he just isn't interested. His own ex-wife, a very sexy and beautiful woman, said he wasn't interested; and this is supported by anyone who observes him around women and talking about women.

[quote]If it hadn't been for her public relationship with Tom Cruise, she most likely would have been in The Dark Knight.

Maybe it was because, I don't know.... SHE COULDN'T FRICKIN' ACT?!

If you look at pics of Tom and Nicole when they were together, their body language is very cold. Half the time they looked like they couldn't stand each other, even from the beginning.

[quote]Well, you've quoted me some more unnamed sources from Tony Ortega's very dodgy article above; so you should take that with a very large pinch of salt.

That wasn't an unnamed source, that was Marty Rathbun.

Is Cruise a sociopath as well as a narcissist?

Maybe, there's something in him that reminds me of Dexter. If Dexter was trying to fake love for a human woman under close scrutiny, would he jump on a couch squealing with fake enthusiasm? If he had minions, would he have them plant fake meadows full of flowers? Would he have the minions keep an eye on the wife - spy on her at home and monitory her behavior in public to make sure his image was maintained? Yes, I think he would.

[quote]His own ex-wife, a very sexy and beautiful woman, said he wasn't interested; and this is supported by anyone who observes him around women and talking about women.

And we have Marty Rathbun contradicting her, saying that Tom was already seeing Nicole Kidman before they were even divorced. Marty Rathbun was there behind the scenes.

You crazy clam fraus are delusional. Tom and Nicole were together purely for PR, just like Tom was with Katie Holmes: purely for PR. No one has ever bought Tom as a heterosexual, which is why all the gay rumors have persisted for 30 years. He has no girlfriends, and has only had only high profile beard situations with other celebrities.

On the contrary, R191, I think most people do buy him as heterosexual.

What about Nazanin Boniadi? Nobody even knew about her when Tom was seeing her. She never even made the media's radar. I suppose that was fake, too. I went to high school with her ex-boyfriend, by the way.

One thing I do wonder, is Suri even Tom's biological daughter?

The story is that Tom and Mimi tried to have kids, but she never got pregnant (she's since gotten pregnant with her second husband). Nicole couldn't get pregnant by Tom either, so that's why they adopted. Nicole has had kids with her second husband as well.

So, why was Tom able to impregnate Katie Holmes?

It would make sense for Tom to lose interest in Suri if she wasn't even his biological kid.

[quote]That wasn't an unnamed source, that was Marty Rathbun.

No, Rathbun may be the secondary source (that's unclear from the article), but the primary source is unnamed.

[quote]The story is that Tom and Mimi tried to have kids

Not according to Mimi. She says he wasn't interested in having sex with her. So it's no surprise that he never had kids with Kidman either, is it?

R192, that was already debunked as a bearding situation where she was wooed and then dumped by Miscavige as a potential beard for Tammy.

Fraus give it up, you sound ridiculous. Your statements remind of those nutcases who are convinced Michael Jackson was a straight man, they always come up bullshit theories or quotes from some famous opportunist.

[quote]No, Rathbun may be the secondary source (that's unclear from the article), but the primary source is unnamed.

It doesn't matter, Rathbun was there behind the scenes.

[quote]Not according to Mimi. She says he wasn't interested in having sex with her.

Sorry, I don't believe Mimi right there. I think she was kidding. Or, the reason he wasn't interested in having sex with her was because he was more interested in having sex with Nicole Kidman, not because he wasn't interested in having sex. There's more to the story that she was leaving out.

According to Rathbun:

'A few weeks after [Tom and Nicole's] relationship started, however, Mimi Rogers was scheduled to visit the set. And Wilhere was ready for her. He was also on set with Cruise, and was auditing him, encouraging him about Nicole, as Miscavige wanted. When Mimi arrived, one member of the crew tells us, “The Scientologists were waiting for her. And they ‘handled’ her, in their language.”

'When she realized what was going on, Mimi demanded that she and Cruise go through Scientology’s version of marriage counseling. We’ve written in the past about Scientology’s marriage counseling, which is as odd as you’d probably expect it to be. Mimi and Tom would be asked to sit down with an auditor, with each of them taking turns being quizzed. In Mimi’s case, for hour upon hour, she would be asked only two questions: “What have you done to Tom?” and “What have you withheld from Tom?” Then, it would be Tom’s turn to answer the same questions about Mimi, over and over.

'Rathbun tells us this process took place after the filming of Days of Thunder ended in May 1990, and at the International Base. He remembers that it took about a week, and Mimi left unsatisfied. “Both sides on that co-audit have to end up saying that they’re happy. That doesn’t mean that they have to stay married. But they never got there — Miscavige made sure of that,” he says.

'After the counseling failed, Rathbun then stepped in to deliver the church’s instructions to Mimi that it was time for the marriage to end. He visited her, carrying divorce papers, and with an attorney whose very presence he knew would carry an unmistakable message. It was Sherman Lenske, who had been L. Ron Hubbard’s personal lawyer. Rathbun says the visit was intended to intimidate Mimi, and it worked. As he explained to Lawrence Wright, Rathbun told her something about how it was the best thing for Scientology (“the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics,” is how Scientologists are convinced to give up their own interests to the group). But visiting her with Lenske sent a more subtle message, that she would regret not signing the papers. She signed, and Mimi was out of the picture.

'Disgusted with how she was treated, Mimi quit the Church of Scientology that year, 1990. But her close family friend says that to this day, she still talks about the “tech” with her close friends. Like her father, she still has an interest in the Hubbard philosophy she grew up with. But she isn’t talking about her experiences. “She’s made it very clear she’s not going to talk about Scientology and Tom Cruise. She signed an agreement with Tom not to to talk about it,” the family friend tells us.

'Meanwhile, Rathbun says that while the operation Miscavige had put in place through Greg Wilhere had produced the desired result, there was a new problem — it had worked too well. Now, Tom was talking about wanting to marry Nicole Kidman, and she had her own unsavory connections.

"Debunked", R195? Did you not watch Going Clear? That didn't look like a bearding situation, that looked like Nazanin was genuinely seeing Tom Cruise. She was staying with him at his mansion. This lasted a few months.

[quote]It doesn't matter, Rathbun was there behind the scenes.

It matters a great deal. The bit you quoted about him being seen in bed with Nicole, that you assumed proved he was a sexually active heterosexual was, according to the article, witnessed by an unnamed source. Rathbun may have been "behind the scenes" and he may be making all this up to make a quick buck, but the fact of the matter is the article you're relying on is mostly based on the testimony of unnamed sources.

[quote]Or, the reason he wasn't interested in having sex with her was because he was more interested in having sex with Nicole Kidman.

But he wasn't interested in having sex with Nicole, as you've said yourself. He was more interested in getting the servants to plant an entire meadow of wildflowers so he and Nicole could run through it and demonstrate their heavenly desire for each other to anyone who was paying attention.

In my experience, if a couple want to have sex with each other they find the nearest spot and get on with it.

It is 2015 and anyone who still thinks Cruise is straight, must be retarded. And don't say I can't use that word.

You do realize that Marty Rathbun was also Tom Cruise's auditor and that he'd be privy to the details of Tom Cruise's sex life, right? You do realize that David Miscavige liked to read the contents of Cruise's exploits out loud to Tom DeVocht and laugh about them? Whatever the embarrassing contents were, homosexuality wasn't part of it.

Tom might not be homosexual, but there's definitely sexual things he's into that he wouldn't want people to know. Maybe he enjoyed being fucked with a strap-on? Or maybe he enjoyed getting urinated and defecated on?

[quote]But he wasn't interested in having sex with Nicole, as you've said yourself.

I never said that.

[quote]You do realize that Marty Rathbun was also Tom Cruise's auditor and that he'd be privy to the details of Tom Cruise's sex life, right?

Then why does he rely entirely on unnamed sources in that article when it comes to the details of that sex life?

R202, I posted this before, but I've read that Tom likes to get hit hard with pillows by cute guys and he really gets off on that. Whether he then has coitus with them after the pillow adventures, I have no idea.

[quote]I never said that.

Well, you're the one who told the touching story of the meadow of wildflowers, which is as good as conclusive proof that the last thing Tom Cruise wanted to do with Nicole Kidman was have sex with her.

Nicole: "Er, are we going to have sex yet, Tom?"

Tom: "Oh, look! A meadow of wildflowers!! Let's run through that for hours and tire each other out!"

[quote]Well, you're the one who told the touching story of the meadow of wildflowers, which is as good as conclusive proof that the last thing Tom Cruise wanted to do with Nicole Kidman was have sex with her.

Why would that be proof? He'd already be having sex with her by this point. Do you honestly believe straight men are incapable of having romantic fantasies?

[quote]Then why does he rely entirely on unnamed sources in that article when it comes to the details of that sex life?

Do you understand that the point of the article was to explain how MIscavige broke up Tom and Mimi, not to convince people that Tom is heterosexual? Do you think Marty Rathbun is thinking, "I want people to prove that Tom is straight, I need to make sure I mention that somebody said they saw Tom having sex with Nicole"?

Do we really wanna know what's going on in Tom's bedroom?

Here's the info about Miscavige reading about celebrities' sex lives. Whatever there is to say about John Travolta has already been said. Pretty much all the Scientology critics agree that John Travolta is gay and that Tom Cruise is straight.

'Miscavige eagerly awaited the Cruise reports and those of other high-profile Scientology members at his Gold Base headquarters, in Hemet. According to several sources, he often read them out loud to entertain whomever he was with. “I know he did it with [the reports of] Lisa Marie Presley, back in ’95, when she was married to Michael Jackson, and I know he did it a number of times with Kirstie Alley. I saw and heard him,” Claire Headley tells me. “He loved to dish about celebrities,” says Tom De Vocht, Miscavige’s former close aide, who went on to run Scientology’s large operation in Clearwater, Florida, where Scientologists from all over the world go to study. According to De Vocht, Miscavige—often joined by his wife, Shelly—would whip out a bottle of Macallan scotch at two or three in the morning in the Officers Lounge, play backgammon, and read the Cruise reports with a running commentary. “He’s probably got a lot of embarrassing material,” De Vocht says, adding that Miscavige’s comments were usually about Cruise’s sex life. “He would roll his eyes and say, ‘Jeez, can you believe it?’ ” All the while, Miscavige claimed to be Cruise’s best friend. (Scientology representatives dispute this account and insist that Miscavige has always “rigorously upheld the sanctity and confidentiality of ministerial communications.”)

Tom DeVocht says he doesn't think Cruise is gay.

[quote]He'd already been having sex with her by this point.

No, the only person who claims to have seen them in bed was - SURPRISE! - an unnamed source. Tom's previous wife claims he wasn't in the least bit interested in having sex with her, and anyone who's seen Tom and Nicole together can attest that Tom's (lack of) feelings towards the opposite sex didn't alter once he met Nicole.

[quote]Do you understand that the point of the article was to explain how MIscavige broke up Tom and Mimi, not to convince people that Tom is heterosexual?

Good, because it doesn't do a very good job of the former and singularly fails to convince us of the latter.

Actually, it does a very good job explaining how the marriage was broken up.

[point]Tom's previous wife claims he wasn't in the least bit interested in having sex with her

And she left out the part about how Marty Rathbun, a top Church official, served her with divorce papers and intimidated her.

She had to say something in that interview. She wasn't going to say, "Scientology broke us up." Back then, people were scared to speak out against the Church. Mimi still hasn't spoken out against Miscavige, and she's been out of the Church for years. Not even Nicole has spoken out. Not even Katie has spoken out.

"[R178], I'm sure he was hitting. But... who was hotter in 1990, Nicole Kidman or Mimi Rogers? It wouldn't be out of character for a straight man to cheat on Mimi Rogers with Nicole Kidman."

Lol...Nicole Kidman was never hot, come on...

[quote]And she left out the part about how Marty Rathbun, a top Church official, served her with divorce papers and intimidated her.

A top church official who apparently has to rely on unnamed sources for information to support an article about Cruise and his sex life. Rathbun has an economic interest in promoting himself as someone with knowledge that he doesn't appear to actually have. Whereas Mimi Rogers was acting against her own interests by painting herself as someone who Tom Cruise was not sexually attracted to, but she admitted it anyway. Good for her. And good for Nicole and Katie for getting out and, hopefully, finally getting some hot heterosexual dick.

I have hard time believing anything coming out of Marty Rathbun's mouth. To my understanding he was one of the top guys in the cult and probably knew everything that happened and was possibly/probably responsible for lot of the nasty stuff.

This doesn't mean I view Cruise either straight or gay. Just that the old Scientology goons probably haven't changd that much after their work ended.

That's right, R213, Marty Rathbun was dismissed in disgrace! Keep preaching it, sister!! He absolutely has an economic interest in promoting himself with knowledge that he doesn't actually have at all. Marty Rathbun was never Tom Cruise's auditor, Marty Rathbun has no knowledge whatsoever! He never even held any position of any significance.

And Mr. Miscavige never had the Sea Org members work hard to plant a meadow of flowers for Tom and Nicole to roll around in.

Mimi Rogers was telling the truth. Tom Cruise was thinking about becoming a monk, a Scientology monk. In other words, he wanted to join the Sea Org. But Mr. Miscavige knew that Tom Cruise was much more valuable to the Church as a celebrity.

Mr. Cruise has NEVER been unfaithful to any of his wives. Tom and Mimi had a perfectly amicable split.

And Tom Cruise is straight. And Nicole and Katie are both SPs.

[quote]Tom and Mimi had a perfectly amicable split.

I doubt it was amicable seeing as Mimi was sexually deprived and desperate for cock. She was probably climbing the walls at that point, while Tom was getting Sea Org members to build a waterfall of golden sunflower petals cascading off a cliff made of heart-shaped marshmallow for her.

[quote]Mr. Cruise has NEVER been unfaithful to any of his wives.

Not with other women, no.

If I were straight, I'd go for Mimi. Killer bod, killer ass. Nicole was(and is) cute, but she's built like a boy.

Hey, wait a minute! Now we're getting somewhere...

[quote]Former Scientologist

If you're really a former Scientologist, I apologize for being bullish. I have a great deal of respect for people who manage to extricate themselves from cults. It just gets very annoying on gay sites and forums when straight people come along and continually insist that someone who seems obviously gay is in fact straight. It's quite common. And I have a particular annoyance for poorly sourced articles. Anyway, it was interesting debating with you. Bye x

I am not straight, I am bisexual, R219.

And Tony Ortega is the best journalist regarding everything Scientology. Did Marty Rathbun witness firsthand Tom Cruise having sex with Nicole Kidman? No, but he also doesn't have any reason to disbelieve the people he worked with, either, who talked about seeing it. All he knows is that Tom was cheating on Mimi with Nicole.

All I can say is that if Tom Cruise revealed any gay sexcapades in his session, Marty isn't talking about them. And apparently, David Miscavige isn't reading about them outloud (but he's reading other embarrassing stuff).

[quote]Mr. Cruise has NEVER been unfaithful to any of his wives.

Mr. Cruise never fucked any of his wives, either.

"Lol...Nicole Kidman was never hot, come on..."

I disagree with this. She reached peak hotness when she was filming "To Die For" and was last truly beautiful in "Moulin Rouge."

Of course, this has no relationship to Cruise wanting to fuck her since she WASN'T A MAN.

"I disagree with this. She reached peak hotness when she was filming "To Die For" and was last truly beautiful in "Moulin Rouge.""

Ok, fine. But that was after at least one nose job, some shape-shifting (she lost a lot of weight),and a new attitude and make-up and hair color.

I used to be a dental assistant, and one of the patients I worked on, was an older gent who used to be a limo driver. He claimed he'd driven for Mr. Tom Cruise and that he liked to pick-up cute boys and mess around in the back. Now, I can't verify that what he said was true, but the guy was an older, straight, quiet, non Hollywood type and I can't imagine any reason why he'd make that up.

I can't hear another word about Tammy! Can someone please start a thread on Rickie and the Flash? You know it's a future double feature with Postcards from the Edge, or The Rose. Put energy towards the most talented goddesses!

[quote]Did Marty Rathbun witness firsthand Tom Cruise having sex with Nicole Kidman? No, but he also doesn't have any reason to disbelieve the people he worked with, either, who talked about seeing it. All he knows is that Tom was cheating on Mimi with Nicole.

If he never witnessed it firsthand then how can he know that Tom was cheating on Mimi with Nicole? We know firsthand from Mimi that Tom wasn't interested in having sex with her. That's the one thing we absolutely know from a firsthand source here.

[quote]All I can say is that if Tom Cruise revealed any gay sexcapades in his session, Marty isn't talking about them.

But Marty isn't revealing ANY details about Tom's sex life, one way or the other. He has to rely on the testimony of unnamed sources to support his claims and Tom and Mimi's split, which is a little suspicious given that he claims to be privy to all the details of Tom's sex life.

That should say "support his claims about Tom and Mimi's split".

Are there any statements by Rathbun where he says something along the lines of "As Tom's 'auditor', he personally confessed to me that his some of his sexual preferences/activities were ______ "? As opposed to "one of the servants said this" or "a close family friend claims that".

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R228, no, Marty isn't David Miscavige, he keeps things confidential.

But Tom DeVocht, who used to listen to David Miscavige read about Tom Cruise's sex life, says that while there's a lot of embarrassing stuff, that Cruise isn't gay. John Travolta, on the other hand...

R226, even without any unnamed sources, Marty still has firsthand knowledge regarding his own role in Tom and Mimi's divorce. He himself was an accomplice in David Miscavige's and Greg Wilhere's scheme to push Mimi out, sex issues aside.

Now, it's entirely possible that Marty knows that Tom Cruise enjoys the gay sex, and he just can't say anything because it would be illegal for him to divulge anything told in an auditing session.

[quote] r228, no, Marty isn't David Miscavige, he keeps things confidential.

But he's all over that article apparently spilling his guts about "the real reason Tom and Mimi split up", so he's hardly trying to keep things confidential, is he? Quite the opposite. And if he had any firsthand knowledge then he would have clearly divulged it. The fact is, his claim that Tom and Mimi were really split up by Scientology is dependent on the testimony of unnamed sources. His case is extremely dubious.

Tom DeVocht is even worse. He's not even a secondary source. He claims he heard Miscavige reading out details of Tom's sex life.

So we have one primary source: Mimi Rogers, who claims outright that Tom was completely uninterested in having sex with her and that this was the reason for their divorce. And then we have the above article which attempts to contradict her but can only do so with the testimony of third-hand hearsay and unnamed sources. It doesn't wash, I'm afraid.

My God, so much investment in Tommy alledged heterosexual life. His fans remind of jackos fans, they research quotes and read articles, so much invested energy Into someone you do not know personally. "Bitch get your own life".

I wouldn't be surprised Cruise spreads gay rumors himself. Imagine how utterly boring he'd be if he really was just a straight Scientologist? Being secretly gay at least gives him some depth.

R193 There are rumours that Suri's biological father is either Chris Klein, Josh Hartnett or Tom's cousin William Mapother. Take your pick.

[quote]But he's all over that article apparently spilling his guts about "the real reason Tom and Mimi split up", so he's hardly trying to keep things confidential, is he?

Yes, but none of that was stuff that he was only privy to in Tom's auditing session. He's not violating any priest-penitent privilege by talking about stuff that happened OUTSIDE of session. Get it?

[quote]The fact is, his claim that Tom and Mimi were really split up by Scientology is dependent on the testimony of unnamed sources.

Then you didn't read the article. Did you not read the part about how Mimi and Tom went through marriage counseling and how later Marty himself went and delivered the divorce papers to Mimi and told her, "It's the greatest good for Scientology" or something like that?

[quote]Tom DeVocht is even worse. He's not even a secondary source. He claims he heard Miscavige reading out details of Tom's sex life.

Exccuse me? Tom DeVocht witnessed FIRSTHAND that David Miscavige reads private sex things from Tom Cruise's preclear folders.

Tom DeVocht isn't the only one who claims this about Miscavige. Amy Scobee has written about this in her own memoirs, saying that David Miscavige used to read things from Lisa Marie Presley's PC folder.

[quote]So we have one primary source: Mimi Rogers, who claims outright that Tom was completely uninterested in having sex with her and that this was the reason for their divorce.

Marty is still a primary source regarding his own direct involvement. And I would never take Mimi seriously, considering she says that Tom was trying to be a celibate monk and retain his purity.

Marty's version is the version that makes more sense to me.

And remember, this doesn't mean that Tom Cruise doesn't like gay sex, it just means that if he does, Marty is not revealing anything about that. If Marty admits to doing something bad himself while working for the Church, it makes the Church look all the worse. But if Marty outs something that Tom Cruise told him privately in an auditing session, such as, "I enjoy the man sex, Marty," then that just makes Marty look worse and that just helps prove the Church's point that Marty is a suppressive person.

My personal theory is that Tom has been banging Miscavage for years. Something that wouldn't be coming out in an auditing session because there's no way Tom would be telling an auditor that he's sleeping with the head of the Scientology. And it's a great way to make sure your secret is safe because it's a mutually assured destruction scenario for both Cruise and Miscavage.

R239, David Miscavige is screwing Jenny Linson, the ex-wife of Tom DeVocht, the sister and daughter of John and Art Linson (producers of "Sons of Anarchy"), and the crazy bitch who ambushed Marty at the airport.

David Miscavige was also screwing Laurisse Stuckenbrock, whose husband he threw into the RPF, where is MS worsened until he died. I personally know people who were on the RPF with him.

Miscavige is a cruel sociopath. But for some reason, he's got Tom Cruise under his thrall.

I'm personally stuck having to deal with a Miscavige wannabe clone.

Cruise is more likely to have been fucking Will Smith, R239.

It's unfortunate that Zac Efron turned him down. That would have been hot. The only male celeb our Tom seems to be getting any enjoyment out of is Jeremy Renner, but he makes Golum look like a catch. What was the story with the wrestler? Also, I remember reading something years ago about a dude with red hair.

That's natural, R241. Who's going to tell? That's why so few secrets leak....

R242, who, me?

I got so far up in his shit that he was whimpering like a little bitch.

there is more clams in this thread than a Boston clam bake partytttttt

That story about him liking to wrestle guys sounded pretty damn gay to me. It's possible he just doesn't act on it outside of that.

He wrestled in HS, a time when we can sexualize nearly anything and sometimes it sticks.

How much porn (and how many DL threads) involves wrestling, locker rooms, public showers, guys in athletic supporters, etc.

Tom Cruise and John Travolta gay lovers for 30 years? Копирано от standartnews.com

any truth to this?

Tom's a climber

Who would want to fuck this man anyhow? He looks like he'd be tedious in bed. Too insecure and controlling to have fun.

I dated a guy like this once. God he was gorgeous, but very into his religion (he was a Catholic) and wanted to give directions in the sack. After our third try, I realized that it was never going to work. He was THE worst lay I'd ever had, and too controlling to let go and enjoy sex.

Gross.

How Scientology broke up Tom Cruise and Mimi Rogers: The story you haven’t heard

R96, are you sure that's THE wrestler? Didn't the wrestler die in a bizarre boating accident?

He pongs.

Exactly, r100. Besides, no one gives a shit about Tom Cruise any longer. He's a crazy clam. He was once the world's biggest movie star, until a guy named Brad Pitt came along, who had great set of real teeth, and didn't need extensive plastic surgery in order to be found attractive. Any "work" Pitt had done to his face came much later, as a result of aging. But the man is STILL remarkably attractive as well as sexy, and he's better looking in his mid fifties, than Tom was in his early 20s. Pitt isn't not walking around with a Napoleon Complex, to boot.

The rumor around town was that the former Mrs. Cruise wanted to be the lead in Mr. & Mrs. Smith, because she had had a long standing crush on Brad, but was married to Tom. However, Pitt put his foot down, and insisted on Angelina Jolie, being that he had had a long standing crush on her. The rest is HW history.

Regardless, Kidman is a very talented actress, and can run circles around all of these people. Why she spent over 10 years with this mental midget is beyond me.

Anyone who hires a private detective in order to spy on his wife, and tap her phone lines, is a sick, sick fuck. The CoS went on the offensive behind the scenes, and protected Cruise from any collateral damage that ensued.

Fucking CREEP.

Reality check for the Brangeloonie at R255: Cruise's box office track record, domestic and international, is far more impressive than Pitt's, even if you don't start counting until the 1990s. And Kidman was in fact cast in Mr. and Mrs. Smith--she was offered the script first, sent it to Pitt and got him interested and Pitt actually dropped out of the film after she did. Jolie was not anyone's first choice for the film, but Pitt came back on after she was cast.

You are correct though that Kidman can act circles around all of them.

Kidman doesn't look 22 in Days of Thunder at all is she another Australian actress lying about her age like Margot Robbie?

I tend to think where there's smoke (especially 30+ years of smoke) there's fire. And there's been enough weirdness around Cruise's dating, marriages and behavior to put to serious question his 100% straight manly hero Thetan-conquistador image. But here's why I'm not sure that I buy his big secret is that he's gay:

Many ex Scios have all but confirmed Travolta is gay. The Going Clear folks basically said it without saying it. The impression I get is they seem to regard him as a genuinely good guy who is deeply misguided and has been manipulated by the church. They have sympathy for him, but are willing to go on record as saying the church is blackmailing him with his auditing sessions. This is someone they seem to like, or at least feel sympathy for.

The same ex Scios seem to dislike Cruise. A lot. Lots of talk of his arrogance and being a shitbag, especially with the way he both treated his wives and let the church treat his wives. Not a whiff, though, of Cruise being gay. Or even being blackmailed by the church with something. Their narrative on Cruise is that the church's hold over him is all about feeding his ego. That his marriages were legit (at least the first 2) and Cruise let the church destroy them. But nothing, absolutely nothing, about the church blackmailing him or covering some deep dark secret up for him. Even when they talk about Cruise's relationship with Miscavige, it's described in this competitive, douchebro, bonded by their raging Napoleonic complexes way.

So is he gay? If so, he's so ultra super down low that not even fellow Scios know it. And he was able to fool them enough into thinking he genuinely loved his first 2 wives. So bi? Maybe, but again well-hidden. Is he a maniacal raging egomaniac with a god complex? Absolutely. That he can't hide.

He's straight. Face it, he's straight.

[quote]He pongs.

He gongs.

R257, Naomi Watts would have to be lying also, because she says they went to the same high school together.

(Pic is not from high school, it's a film they did in Australia with Thandie Newton in 1990.)

R255 Brad Pitt came along, who had great set of real teeth, and didn't need extensive plastic surgery in order to be found attractive. Any "work" Pitt had done to his face came much later, as a result of aging.

Please STFU Brad Pitt had the ugliest pig nose ever before plastic surgery and he had done a lot of plastic surgery before and after you he got famous and you exactly know it . wasn't for his fame-whoring talent and showmance with lesbian Jolie everyone would have forgotten about him already

R261 Thandie Newton looks very different in that picture couldn't recognize her

Naomi always looked a bit older than her age.

Kidman and Watts kissing on stage during the Women In Film 2015 Crystal + Lucy Awards

Gay or not, he's had tons of gay sex over the course of his life and most certainly his career. He's arguably the biggest movie star in history and one of the wealthiest and this doesn't come without a shitload of gay sex in Hollywood, if you'll pardon the expression. That's just the way it is. People are so fucking naive on this site it's hysterical reading. This little guy got famous by showing his steel buns in tighty whities ... many executives sought after him for meetings after seeing that movie. Wake up, folks.

Furthermore. Straight men don't audition girlfriends or throw hissy fits to their sister saying "Someone HAS to find me a new girlfriend soon!" as he was seen shouting to her and Paula Wagner after Penelope Crus bailed on him.

So you are claiming that EVERY well known actor or actress MUST suck cock, bottom and/or top, as well as engage in heterosexual sex, in order to make a living in Hollywood, regardless of their sexual orientation, age, or marital status, correct, r264?

I have a question. Do s the same stand true for ugly people, or fat people? How did Kathy Bates, or Melissa McCarthy get so big (career wise). How about Whoopi Goldberg?

I'm not trying to be nasty by using these people as examples, but let's face it, they may be very talented, but I doubt directors or producers were asking them to "spread" for a part.

R264 You are talking about Brad Pitt not Tom Cruise everyone knows what's the former job of Pitt

He's not gay he's super weird. Super Weird, able to leap small buildings in a single splat.

Any worth watching film from Tom Cruise after MI3?

R268 Edge of Tomorrow, Oblivion, Mission: Impossible – Rogue Nationt

Cruise is Trump level stupid.

Cruise's ex lesbian beard Nicole Flopman and her gay hubby Keith Urban

Nicole Kidman reveals painful reasons she and Tom Cruise didn’t have biological children

Nicole Kidman says being married to Tom Cruise protected her 'from being sexually harassed'

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I heard he wrestles guys and gets all hot and bothered and then jerks off afterward. Allegedly, nobody else is allowed to touch him.

I don't think he's gay; maybe just fucked in the head from being in a cult. A coworker knew him growing up, she said he was straight back then. Little Tommy Mapother, is what she said he was called; he's super short, she said.

Also, he was living in NJ when he got his start in movies; wouldn't he just live at home and take the train over? Any bartender job would have worked.