Biden for 4 years! / NOT Clinton for 8!

I would too but I don't think he could get elected.

Y'all just aren't going to be happy until we have another Bush in the White House and Rick Santorum on the Supreme Court, are you?

Why would Biden running be Hillary Hating? Whoever wins the nomination is fine to vote for. But Hillary is no peach.

This is another KOCHPUPPET post Subtitled: ANYONE BUT HILLARY, because the Republicans have no chance in hell unless the Democratic candidate is anyone but Hillary. You have earned your 25¢.

Nope, not Joe,

Nope, not Bernie.

HILLARY IN 2016 AND 2020!!!

I like Biden. He's smart and experienced. He's not as transformational as Hillary could be.

Biden doesn't seem fake or put on.

Are you kidding r6, Bidens whole routine is put on.

The Senator from Mastercard?

Mmmm -- no.

Why would Biden only get 4 years if he was elected instead of 8? I'd be happy with Biden (or any Democrat). But I want the most electable and I think it's Hillary. And I think it's good to finally have a female president. I also love Bill and it's like a twofer.

It's his public persona but it's lived in, and he enjoys it and people like it.

OP Other than the anyone but Hillary mantra, what makes him a better choice., when his own party doesn't seem to want him. And don't just tell me why Hillary is wrong or what she's done, blah blah blah.. Just on his own merit

He's got the federal experience required (as do others), plus he's lively, likeable, attractive, trustworthy, responsible, diligent, obviously loves government service, and is somehow modest despite his public bravura.

Clinton/Biden

I do not think he wants to run. I hear the son who died was the one who was eyeing a future as presidential candidate.

I always liked Joe Biden!

Did the son have any baggage or did he die before he could accumulate any?

Biden suffers from "foot in mouth disease"

Incomparable foreign policy knowledge and experience, no scandals to speak of, more than gay-friendly, and a real mensch, who stepped up and raised his kids himself after the wife got killed in the car crash, as opposed to sending them off to boarding school or to be raised by relatives.

PRESIDENT Joe Biden? We should be so lucky.

Hillary for President , Julian Castro VP

I don't understand the hate from the Hillary supporters in this thread.

Even if you back Hillary 110%, it's important that she have some serious opposition in the primaries to make her a stronger candidate in the general election. If she has skeletons, weak spots, or whatever, let's get them out there now, not 30 days before the general election. If nothing else she needs to debate someone who makes her look Presidential, and Biden fits that role to a T.

Save America! End Identity Politics!

Malarky!!!

I love Joe, but he seems a bit doddering lately.

I'd probably have sex with him if I ever got the chance.

Neither is Howard Dean, but I'd support Handsome Joe or Hillary. I haven't heard any platforms.

Also, we need support in the House and Senate. This limpdick congress is worthless.

Biden/O'Malley. Both shirtless.

r20, you obviously do not remember the Special Prosecutor Statute that was used to pummel Bill and Hillary. Dozens of investigations costing tens of millions of dollars that ultimately resulted in the impeachment of a standing president. Fucking shameful. If the Republicans had anything on Hillary, they would have used it already. She has been Benghazied like six times, Vince Fostered a half dozen times and E-mailgated to pointlessness. She is teflon by now.

Are you kidding me R20? You think we need a primary to get the media and other candidates to scrutinize Hillary Clinton? Where have you been the last 25 years?

I've seen a lot people do campaign events but I've never seen anyone work a room like Joe Biden. Unfortunately he had his chance in 1988 and blew it.

Millennials for Clinton for 8 in 2016

[bold]Is Obama taking Hillary out?[/bold]

Hillary Clinton is not going to be the Democratic nominee for president.

Yes, the conventional wisdom is that she is still the prohibitive favorite, armed with big money, big connections, and the Big Dog, Bill.

But the so-called “wisdom” is “conventional” for a reason.

As a result of endless sordid scandals and predictably Clintonian evasions, her poll numbers on everything from favorability to trustworthiness are in a nosedive. A battery of new polls in key swing states such as Colorado and Iowa show her losing to a number of GOP challengers.

She’s also taking incoming from the left, particularly from Vermont senator and socialist Bernie Sanders, who is scoring major crowds and an increasing percentage of the Democratic vote, indicating that the leftist base sees him as a viable option and not merely a vehicle to register discontent with Mrs. Clinton.

Polls this early in the cycle can be unreliable. But they do indicate a significant downward trend for her that must have her campaign at DEFCON 3.

None of this, however, is her most serious problem. Instead, it’s something much closer to home, much more insidious, much more dangerous than anything else.

It’s President Obama. And he just made his move.

Here’s how it’s likely going down:

The Clintons and the Obamas have a long history of bad blood, dating to the 2008 primary race. After Mr. Obama creamed her, he offered her the plum gig of secretary of state. Friends close, enemies closer. She tried to get her dirty tricks consigliere, Sidney Blumenthal, a top position in the State Department, which Mr. Obama pointedly denied. So she hired him anyway through the Clinton Foundation.

Through Mr. Blumenthal, she was fed all kinds of intelligence on global hotpots such as Libya, much of it inaccurate, as she circumvented traditional government communication chains via her private email server. What was she hiding from Mr. Obama? And why? Perhaps because she trusted Mr. Obama about as much as she trusted Bill.

Mr. Obama didn’t trust her, either. In a recently disclosed email, Mrs. Clinton complained that she heard “on the radio” that there was a “Cabinet meeting” that morning and wondered if she could attend. The secretary of state — fourth in line to the presidency — was frozen out, so she set up her own fiefdom.

Mr. Obama needs a successor whom he can control to ensure that the “fundamental transformation of the nation” continues. He cannot control either of the Clintons. In a revealing “tell” this week, he said, “In 18 months, I’m turning over the keys. I want to make sure I’m turning over the keys to somebody who is serious about the serious problems that the country faces and the world faces.”

He will therefore back the one person he knows will do his bidding: his vice president, Joe Biden, whom he summons to his side for every critical photo op, including the announcement of the Iran deal. There’s more going on there than just symbolism.

So here’s the likely plan: Mr. Biden will announce that he is running for president (the reported dying wish of his late son, Beau). After a respectable amount of time, Mr. Obama will announce that while he admires all of the Democratic candidates, Mr. Biden has earned his particular loyalty.

Following his presidential endorsement, Mr. Obama will then support Mr. Biden with the full weight of the White House, including the sophisticated technical infrastructure his campaigns used to win in 2008 and 2012. For years, Mrs. Clinton has begged Mr. Obama to turn it over to her, and he refused. He’s been saving it for someone else.

Mr. Obama will also use his considerable influence with black and Latino voters to support Mr. Biden, which may be enough to help him significantly.

But Mrs. Clinton is a survivor, they will say. The media protects her. True. But it will be a much different situation if she’s under criminal investigation by the Justice Department or worse, crippled by a Special Prosecutor or even an indictment.

Don’t think Mr. Obama will go there? He already has. Last week, the New York Times reported that two inspectors general from his administration recommended that the Justice Department open a “criminal” inquiry into her handling of classified material. The leak to the Times came from a “senior administration official,” which some have speculated was Mr. Obama’s own consigliere, Valerie Jarrett. The Times walked back some of the details, but the damage was done. If Mr. Obama did not want a DOJ criminal investigation of Mrs. Clinton to go forward, he would not have let it go this far.

He wants the investigation, wants her nailed, wants her out. And he’s doing it, slowly, steadily.

The Clintons used to be champion Machiavellians. But in Mr. Obama, they look like they are being outmaneuvered — again — by the ultimate take-no-prisoners master.

Hillary is being given the Judas kiss by her former boss, a man loyal to no one but himself.

Biden's not going anywhere.

For that matter, if we're going "older," why not Governor Jerry Brown for 4 years?

The NYT story has been discredited on numerous points. It was "walked back" by the NYT itself. It is AMAZING how far the Hillary haters are going. Bernie may be a great man and a great politician, but do you think America is going to pass up its chance to elect it's first female President after its first Black President? Bernie is just another guy that fades into the male whiteness of the Republicans.

I wish joe biden has cancer and die like his son

Jerry Brown is AMAZING. He turned California around after AH-nold pissed on it for eight years. He has made some hard decisions.

R35 - Sarah Failin and Donald Dumb

Biden is not as elitist as Hilary, he has the common touch. He also has great relationship with minorities, beautiful nice wife. I would not mind seeing him run for president.

[R. 6] Are you kidding that Biden doesn't seem fake? Look at his eyelift, jowl-lift, hair plugs and a mouth full of white veneers.

So Monica Crowley thinks Obama will crush Hillary and back Biden.

This is getting good.

Biden is seen as a clown to the majority of Americans. He's a buffoon to them.

[quote]So Monica Crowley thinks Obama will crush Hillary and back Biden.

Who?

[quote] I would not mind seeing him run for president.

And have Jeb in the White House? lol. Oh, my god.

[quote]Bernie may be a great man and a great politician

After hearing him babbling these past few months, I'm not sure about either of those two things anymore.

[quote]Biden is seen as a clown to the majority of Americans. He's a buffoon to them.

Lots of Americans are stupid!

Clinton and only Clinton. Sanders will drive the narrative to the primary.

Hillary's 67, Biden 72, Sanders 73, and I'm still worried that Hillary looking "old' will prevent her from winning. People aren't used to accepting old looking women as authority figures. Or any women, for that matter, I guess. But somehow, 66 year old Elizabeth Warren seems to have more gravitas - and also seems younger and healthier. I can't help but think the Repugs are gonna pull this one out, with Jeb or that Walker union-buster guy. I sure wish one of their clown-car guys would win the nom.

Biden is a moron much like Palin but I'd rather have a sincere moron like Biden than a consummate phony like Hil or Liz Warren. Unlike Liz and Hil Joe was never a Rethug. It is amazing that Hil has suddenly become the female Bernie Sanders. Will she become Ronald Reagan for the general?

Hillary switched parties in college though - that's pretty young. And she was raised by Repugs so it speaks well of her that she jumped ship.

Hillary will look young and refreshed and the newspapers will go crazy.

I believe that the White House might be sabotaging Hillary for Biden. I guess Biden has a slight chance. He is a good mix of straight-talker Bernie and corporatist Hillary. He is not any more gaffe-prone than she is. Unlike Gore though, he needs to not distance himself from the president. They have positively transformed the country through their moderate reforms and they should own that. I was under the impression that he is not that close to the President or the White House though. I would like some insight into their relationship. Most presidents and VP's dislike each other.

Hillary Clinton will be the first woman and POTUS in 2016...like it or not! Biden no go!

That bitch will never be president.

She needs a young male Latino veep candidate, from Florida - is there one?

She needs a young male Latino veep candidate, from Texas - is there one?

Possible VP choices for Clinton:

Julian Castro: Castro is the U.S. housing and urban development secretary and former mayor of San Antonio. At 40 years old (Clinton will be 68 in 2016), Castro is relatively young, and he’s also Hispanic, which would diversify the ticket and blunt attacks about the Clinton name evoking the past, not the future. He was also the keynote speaker at the 2012 Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, North Carolina, a plum spot usually given to a rising star in the party.

Martin O’Malley: The former Baltimore mayor and Maryland governor is testing the waters for a presidential campaign, and his reluctance to hit Clinton hard so far might signal that he’s eyeing the VP slot. O’Malley is a progressive who would be to the left of Clinton on most policy positions, which could satisfy the wing of the party she would have to work the hardest to rally.

Cory Booker: The New Jersey senator, elected only in 2013, would give the Clinton ticket both a racial and generational balance. The 46-year-old Booker might boost Clinton with the youth vote and his reputation for bipartisanship may lure independent voters.

Pray that there is a democratic president in office when that waste of humanity Scalia retires. Also, does anyone see RBG lasting much longer?

We're in for a world of pain if the next president picks a conservative justice.

Julian Castro has an unfortunate last name for political office outside of Cuba.

r57, not so as the embargo has ended and Americans flock to Cuba. Actually a plus.

Getting Castro can help Hillary win the Latino vote especially out West. I guess she knows she needs to counter the pandering to Latinos that Jeb will be doing.

What about me?

What has not been mentioned is how rare it is for a candidate from the same party to get elected after holding the White House for 8 years. Reagan got Bush Sr in. Otherwise: No McCain.No Al Gore, No Gerald Ford. No Humphrey in 68. The Democrats will need to be solidly behind SOMEONE to win this. I predict it will be uphill. Most of america wants 'change' ... which will translates into a quiet conservative world again. No wars, no riots, no brutality, terrorism, inequality.. or at least no discussion or action.

Maureen Dowd claims Beau asked his Dad to run for President when he was dying. It wouldn't surprise me. One thing you can say about the Bidens is that they seem to be a happy and close-knit family.

Read the comments. One, many people despise Maureen Dowd. Two, many people say they'd vote for Uncle Joe. They think he's a decent, very experienced and tested guy. Nobody has his level of experience, either side. Three, many people have serious reservations about Hillary. They know she's going to be slammed endlessly about the emails, Benghazi, Bill and god knows what else. Sounds like Clinton fatigue.

Minus side: Joe's age and foot in mouth disease. Some called him a "clown." What say you, DLers?

Hillary is on warfarin for blood clots -- this means she is predisposed to strokes. Also, warfarin is re-purposed rat poison so she'll probably have some doozy side effects from that.

R63, these days everybody over 65 is on Warfarin. It's so common it's unbelievable. In the old days, doctors used to tell people to take an aspirin a day, remember? Now it's warfarin. Aspirin is a blood thinner. So is warfarin.

They give warfarin to people who have ever had a heart problem, stroke, any kind of blood clot issue anywhere. It's a preventative measure. They practically hand it out like candy. My dad took it for about 30 years. He had heart issues. He died of diabetes complications at 84. His heart was pretty much ok until the very end. The big complication is the blood doesn't clot. A small cut can drip blood for quite a while. I used to carry a package of Quik Clot wherever I went, just in case. I never had to use it.

Doctors are very good at managing heart issues now. My sister had heart surgery about 1958 as a child for a heart defect. It was major, life threatening surgery in those days. They told my mom to enjoy her while she could because she probably wouldn't survive. Today, that same surgery is routine and a day or two in the hospital with a few weeks recovery.

Oh, and warfarin is a rat poison because it is an overdose for a rat's size. It thins the rat's blood to the point that they bleed to death. Hillary's not taking that much. Neither are any other humans.

A polling company called me on Thursday and asked a lot of questions about Biden -- Likert Scale things about his competence, likeability, potential as POTUS, etc..

The 4 year/1 term promise comes up occasionally with older candidates as an idea. It's a terrible idea. No voter is going to change their mind over a gimmick like that. Then if that candidate won, it becomes nearly impossible for them to govern because they're already a lame duck. It severely cuts into their ability to harness power in the early stages of an administration that needs to display and corral that power, especially in their own party since everyone starts running for the next election.

Presidents often have much less power in their second term but at least they have four years in the office to build working relationships, build up favors, create a base of power to feed off of.

[quote]Hillary's 67, Biden 72, Sanders 73, and I'm still worried that Hillary looking "old' will prevent her from winning. People aren't used to accepting old looking women as authority figures.

Hillary is not looked at as a woman; she's looked at as a machine. Americans view her differently than say Palin. She's larger than life when it comes to profile and power.

[quote]Julian Castro has an unfortunate last name for political office outside of Cuba.

Unlike Obama Hussein. lol

Bernie has a race problem. He doesn't appeal to minorities, just far-left white liberals.

Joe Biden had a brain tumor. Case closed.

Let's go Joe!

ABC: Anybody but Clinton!

r67, you're right but Biden already has working relationships, built up favors, and a base of power to feed off of.

R35- typical Clinton supporter.

She sucks. Let's go BERNIE or JOE!

Was was very vocally against gay marriage for many years. At least Obama seemed pained by it.

Watch this. Fuck her.

r61, think of this as the modern equivalent of Roosevelt's third term.

Beau Biden had a brain tumor. Joe Biden had two brain aneurysms in 1988. The part of his brain that can be affected is speech. He doesn't seem to have any trouble talking.

[quote]Joe Biden had two brain aneurysms in 1988.

We feel so much better now.

Joe Biden's not running, nor could he ever win; Bernie Sanders is DOA.

If you haven't had a brain aneurysm yourself, you'd realize 1988 was a long time ago. I've been reading about it. Apparently an aneurysm is a one time deal. Having one doesn't mean you're more likely to have another one.

The whole "impaired brain function" thing boils down to one issue: people are afraid a President would become senile in office like Reagan. Pretty much every credible candidate running is potentially in that age group. Hillary is too. As people age, their health comes down to genetics and whether they've tried to maintain themselves. We only have control over one of those.

I wish candidates could only serve up to age 65 or so, but it takes a long time to be qualified. Republicans have smeared Obama his whole time in office about being inexperienced and underqualified. You get to choose, young and healthy but light on qualifications, or really qualified but don't know if their health will hold up. If your pool is limited to 70 year olds with no health problems, you're screwed.

The Supreme Court should have a cutting off point of 65,

[quote]the Republicans have no chance in hell unless the Democratic candidate is anyone but Hillary

I think Joe's performance in the polls shows how utterly wrong you were, R4, but you'll never admit it. Hillary fanboys never admit they're wrong.

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