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Why Do Straight Men Love Transgendered Women?

Why do so many straight men want to have sex with or to be in love with transgendered women? I have thought about, discussed, and researched this phenomenon for years and it boils down to this:

We LOVE being women more than most genetic women.

And much more important than that… We do not ever take our femininity for granted the way so many genetic women do. Many of us have sacrificed home, family, friends, careers, fortunes, and hours and hours of hard work each day to be the women we have become.

That is what I believe turns men on the most, the "Hey, Look at me; I'm sexy!" attitude that their wives and girlfriends have either lost or never have gotten quite right. He is probably afraid of the whole homo-thing of course... but quite needlessly so. I have found that the men who date me are more courageous and more masculine and more loving of sexy women than anyone who would not or could not love a special lady.

Sometimes a gentleman just wants to be with a woman who really loves being a woman. He longs for a woman who appreciates his desires and his need to look at, to talk with, to touch, to kiss, and to love a woman in high heels, nylons, lipstick, lace, and perfume with soft smooth shiny skin. He desires a woman who gives her undivided attention just to him. He wants a woman who does not make him feel stupid, queer, or unmasculine when he expresses his love of her femininity and his deepest longings to her.

There may be some fetishistic components to the desire of straight men for all women who do the girlie girl thing including transgendered women. Men do love women who wear nylons, high heels, and lipstick. Their overall perception of women and femininity was conditioned by years and years of reinforcement (mostly masturbatory and orgasmic) by the ultra feminine stereotype of womanhood... by so-called "real" women.

Perhaps there even may be one or two ultra feminine women in their lives... mother, aunt, sister, wife who started out ultra feminine and girlish but who gave up her ideal of femininity (in his eyes) after marriage or childbirth... leaving him all alone in the lurch with his attraction to feminine glamorous girlie-girl women unrequited for evermore!

Why shouldn't every man, at least once in his life, have his greatest fantasies and deeply instilled desires fulfilled? Television, advertising, movies, pornography, an occasional woman or two in public, or perhaps even his own wife or girlfriend already have teased him for years and years while intentionally or unintentionally holding the object of his greatest unfulfilled desires just out of his reach. This all too common form of sexual suppression and repression seems sadly and needlessly cruel to me.

When a married man comes to me because I love to wear lipstick and nail polish and lacy underwear and nylons and high heels and long hair with ribbons and bows as I flirt and smile and tease, I know he is cheating on his wife and I hate to be a part of all that. However, I also know that his desire is so intense that it goes right to the very depths of his soul. Stimulating that desire and satisfying it goes right to the very depths of mine.

The greatest compliments that I have ever received have been from men who say that I make them feel more like a man than any other woman ever has. The most satisfying thing to me is to be able nurture his deep desire and to satisfy his deepest longings in ways that no other woman ever has or will… and to do so willingly... the way a loving mother tenderly feeds and nurtures a hungry child.

To me, Nurture IS the very essence of femininity and it defines me as a woman, fulfills my desires, and satisfies the deepest longings in my soul as well.

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by Anonymousreply 319June 1, 2021 4:54 PM

My own take on it is they can't face their own homosexual desires. A former man with a mental disorder and mutilated genitals is as close as they dare come.

by Anonymousreply 1July 14, 2015 9:05 PM

Just so we completely understand each other, I choose to identify myself as a Straight Woman and I only identify with straight women but not with “TV, CD, TG, TS, tranny, or shemale”. I never ever wanted to be one of those acronyms, diagnoses, or slang epithets. All I ever wanted to be is just a girl. My desire for a man is only as a straight woman.

I do not desire to be or to be thought of as gay or bisexual… even though at some technical level, I suppose, I just might very well be. “Top-Bottom-BI” talk directed at me sickens me and is highly insulting to me and to everything that I have sacrificed in my life just to be a woman.

I also do not wish to be with GG (genetic girl) women or TG women, who are ALL women and sisters to me anyway. I prefer to only date a straight man who loves women. Preferably, he has never even been with TG women before either. His apprehension is a little bit exciting and flattering to me and is quite OK. I find it so satisfying when he quickly or ultimately settles into just enjoying my feminine charms and attribute with little or no concern for my XY origins.

I am very romantic and actually kind of old fashioned too in many ways. I just love to kiss and tease and flirt and make love as a woman by doing only the things that women do (but way better of course, Teeheehee!) and only with a man who loves only women. I know there are men who fantasize about being entered by a “shemale” or whose focus is to suck upon her presumed penis; but that stems from their homosexual and bisexual identity. It is just not for me.

I have always kind of quizzed the fellas who ask me out... more of a test really... to see if their interest is more in the penis that they think I may (or may not) have OR in the Lady/Woman/Girl that I present and for which I wish to be wanted.

If the Penis holds low or moderate interest to him and he has good manners, I will date him. But, if Penis is his primary interest or major focus, then I drop him like a hot potato because he is more gay or bisexual than he is interested in my femininity. That turns me right off right away and I just have no desire to go there.

In fact, I find it insulting and disappointing to be wanted for that reason. My femininity must always come first in their desires. The honoring of a woman's femininity or a man's masculinity is the very essence of Chivalry. And in my case anyway... is what will, in fact, make the wildest dreams come true for a gentleman who really loves women... and then my dreams come true as well.

If a man is attracted to me but is rather afraid of my potential penis or even avoids my nether-regions entirely, I take it as a compliment that only increases my desire to be with him and my comfort in doing so. Please do not love me or want me BECAUSE I am transgendered. Please love me IN SPITE of my transgenderedness.

Similarly do not ever tell a fat girl that you love her or want her because she is fat... even if it is true... she does not want to hear it or to be loved or wanted for that reason either. See?

This whole phenomenon of transgender love, dating, and sex is very interesting to me for several reasons: First, because I identify myself as a woman. Yes I admit, of transgendered origins (OK?), but I never wanted to be TG, TS, TV, CD, tranny or shemale… just a girl.

Secondly, because I am a biologist with a published background in human sexuality and attraction based upon evolutionary and ecological considerations such as natural selection, sexual selection, mating rituals, and adaptive advantages of physical and behavioral traits (i.e. The Science of Sex, Gender, and Sexual Orientation).

by Anonymousreply 2July 14, 2015 9:05 PM

Further, and “yes” to those who take sadistic pleasure in reminding me that I was born something else, because I was of course, but I now Identify myself as and relate to being a Straight Woman who is attracted only to straight men, those who are only attracted to women… including me.

Yes, many readers here are quite correct in their assumption that some men will approach transgendered women because of their latent homosexuality, bisexuality, or merely a desire to get a hold of and do things with a penis. Personally, I avoid penis chasers like the plague. That is just so insulting both to me and to my long-suffered-for and hard-won femininity.

As soon as a man or potential date mentions “top-bottom, girl-with-something-extra, do-me, wants to wear my shoes, or claims to be bisexual or curious”, I drop him immediately as a total turn-off.

On a personal dating level, I take careful advance measures to rule these guys OUT for dating purposes as well as any other TG or genetic women because, the motives of my sexual partner are very important to me and I wish to be desired for only what I consider to be "The Right Reasons". That is what turns me on and fulfills my needs. I like men who like women.

That is what works for me, but yes of course, I do see how many people might consider ALL of this stuff to be gay or queer or bi or something like that in their eyes anyway. But, my fantasy and my reality is only as an old fashioned romantic feminine girl who loves to be loved by a masculine straight man who loves only sexy women and who sees me as one. (And he, of course, does not ever wear our clothes, Teeheehee!)

Old-fashioned Chivalry is the polite but strongly militant defense of masculinity and femininity. It is and should well be clearly understood that, “If you treat me like a lady, I will make you feel like a man.” Old-fashioned Chivalry turns me on.

The guarding of masculinity and femininity in this fashion IS the essence of Chivalry. Chivalry is a wonderfully kind, most respectful, and sexually fulfilling concept that has been lost by the ill mannered of society today. (I am so sorry if your own Mommy and Daddy did not teach you chivalry or manners; they have cheated you out of the best sex and possibly even real love with the most fulfilling and highest quality people.)

The wisest and most considerate gentleman of today will always remember that it is a woman’s desire to be treated like a lady, and it is his responsibility to treat her as a lady. She in return will make him feel more like the man that he is… more than any other woman ever has.

I am not saying that the way I feel is similar to or in common with all other transgendered women and their gentleman admirers. As in ALL things, there is a whole range of diversity across all of the various spectra that define who we are.

Again, to me, the nurture of others IS the very essence of femininity and it defines me as a woman; it fulfills my desires; and it satisfies the deepest longings in my soul as well.

by Anonymousreply 3July 14, 2015 9:06 PM

...and frankly, you haven't got a fucking clue about what it means to be a woman. You're delusional.

by Anonymousreply 4July 14, 2015 9:08 PM

Which one of you is responsible for this?

by Anonymousreply 5July 14, 2015 9:14 PM

Sounds like Phyllis Schlafly.

by Anonymousreply 6July 14, 2015 9:17 PM

Alright then, so how would you sum that all up in one sentence?

by Anonymousreply 7July 14, 2015 9:23 PM

"..and make love as a woman by doing only the things that women do "...

R3 Besides being incredibly sexist and hostile towards bio-women, what with all your 'femininity' tropes on bizarre display; you don't have a vagina or clitoris and therefore cannot be eaten out, sucked on, nor orgasm as a 'woman' can. Something het men love very much. It turns them on to GIVE pleasure sweetie and since you don't have a vag, het men turned on by that, and most are, you can't recieve that pleasure a woman does, sorry. Like it or not, you need to accept the 'straight' men you can get who are turned on by rim jobs, mutual masturbation, and giving you blow jobs. Your sexism, iow, is towards het men as well, because your narrative assumed they are sexually selfish.

I have no dog in your fight, but it's sad you can't accept bio-males and females who are het, as they are and leave them to each other. The man yu need will allow and accept for your fantasies, but describing those shouldn't mean you have to perpetuate stereotypes about whole groups of people.

by Anonymousreply 8July 14, 2015 9:57 PM

Only a fucked up man could have written the draconian misogynist mess at R3.

by Anonymousreply 9July 14, 2015 10:00 PM

Scary, isn't it? Misogynist and homophobic. And he's a man sleeping with men!!!

by Anonymousreply 10July 14, 2015 10:27 PM

Any man that's into trans-women isn't straight. You can barely get them to say that another man is good-looking, so there is no way a straight man is going to choose a trans-woman over a natural one.

by Anonymousreply 11July 14, 2015 10:45 PM

OP, one of the many reasons that woman-born-women give up on the ultra-femme heels-hair-tight-clothes look is because of the limiting effect it has on relationships with men (the other reason is the discomfort). I have observed that most women's goal in relationships is to get past the surface, to get to where you're not just playing you-Tarzan-me-Jane, but you know each other as human beings, and please each other not just as the man or the woman, but as the person each of them really is - and yes, WBW want more than to please their man, they want their man to please them. By bringing a strong emphasis on sex roles into the relationship you're inhibiting that process, asking your men to believe the surface and ignore the person underneath.

Of course that's fun for a while but may I ask, have you ever had a long-term relationship with a man? One where you move beyond sex roles and appearance, and just see each other as the people you are?

by Anonymousreply 12July 15, 2015 12:41 AM

I have difficulty believing this person is what she claims to be.

by Anonymousreply 13July 15, 2015 1:03 AM

Homophobic tranny is a closeted gay man who thinks he is a woman and that alone will make him one. Now, if I think I am Jesus Christ it must be true then. You are delusional if you think you pass.

by Anonymousreply 14July 15, 2015 1:13 AM

[quote]The wisest and most considerate gentleman of today will always remember that it is a woman’s desire to be treated like a lady, and it is his responsibility to treat her as a lady. She in return will make him feel more like the man that he is… more than any other woman ever has.

Wow, this seems like such a Victorian attitude. I know this is the manifesto of just one person but still ... no wonder the movement seems so regressive.

by Anonymousreply 15July 15, 2015 1:31 AM

OP just posted an article here, he didn't write it.

The funniest part of this is that "Suzanne" doens't pass as a bio woman at all.

by Anonymousreply 16July 15, 2015 1:41 AM

There are several hidden cams on pornhub with trannies getting fucked by supposedly straight men. Some of the men are filmed sucking tranny dick. Go figure.

by Anonymousreply 17July 15, 2015 1:51 AM

I've also seen some videos on xtube and pornhub of some of the ugliest overweight trannies getting fucked by really hot "straight" guys. Guys will fuck whatever.

by Anonymousreply 18July 15, 2015 1:58 AM

R17 those guys aren't straight. They might not be gay, but they aren't straight. Some men an attraction to men who dress as women and have boobs but also have a penis. This is fine, some men want to dress as women or be women so it's good they have someone to fuck. Some men are bi or pan sexual. Some guys are sexual tourist collecting a variety of experiences.

On another note, what kind of a name is Miss Suzie? Kind of a strange choice for a real woman unless she teaches preschool.

by Anonymousreply 19July 15, 2015 2:08 AM

Hilarious. Straight men are not attracted to trannies. They're men in dresses. Period.

by Anonymousreply 20July 15, 2015 2:16 AM

Why does DL like to extrapolate from the actions of a tiny subset minority, like straight men into transgender women, and proclaim that is somehow a widespread phenomenon of an entire group?

by Anonymousreply 21July 15, 2015 2:23 AM

To Candace and Sri: I pass no judgment on you whatsover.

Question: have you ever had a boyfriend who abruptly left his wife after a long-term marriage? He is friends with ex-wife. How can he continye to deny all feelings he had for his ex? Have you ever been in thisbor a similar situation? Haters: please leave thread if your purpose is to slam people who sre only being what they believe they are.

by Anonymousreply 22July 15, 2015 2:28 AM

There's nothing I love more than a man -- yet again! -- deciding what constitutes "femininity." Boys, let the ones born with a vagina do that, mmmkay??

by Anonymousreply 23July 15, 2015 2:31 AM

Oh wow, that's real? I thought for sure it was a parody, either a lesbian parodying how trannies think they know how to be women better than women, or a gay man writing it to parody the lesbians who think that in order to rile up the lesbians.

Then I thought ok, this must be written by the one of the rare good looking femme trannies, and I saw those pictures... just... MARY! Ain't nothing feminine about that.

by Anonymousreply 24July 15, 2015 2:35 AM

OP I managed about 5 sentences. You're delusional and bat-shit crazy.

by Anonymousreply 25July 15, 2015 2:41 AM

[quote]Some of the men are filmed sucking tranny dick. Go figure.

Go figure? Surely this is no mystery to the gay men of DL. I can't be the only man here whose cock has received sexual attention from a straight man -- and no scare quotes around straight either. Sexuality is fluid in almost everyone, and many straight men are curious about or just plain old aroused by a penis. This does not make them gay.

by Anonymousreply 26July 15, 2015 2:41 AM

I have to admit I'm rather jealous of her. I was BORN a woman and every time I do the "glam" thing, I feel like a total idiot. Like I'm a bad joke. A guy that thinks she's "hot" and "sexy" when she dresses like that - I can't fathom it but I wish I had it.

by Anonymousreply 27July 15, 2015 2:41 AM

And published by Tammy Reed. Don't know which is the scarier of the two.

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by Anonymousreply 28July 15, 2015 2:50 AM

Trans women are the new Scientologists. They're able to go from slightly off to batshit crazy faster than you can say "Xenu was cis scum!"

by Anonymousreply 29July 15, 2015 2:51 AM

You need a psychiatrist R26.

by Anonymousreply 30July 15, 2015 2:52 AM

[quote]as I flirt and smile and tease, I know he is cheating on his wife and I hate to be a part of all that. However, I also know that his desire is so intense that it goes right to the very depths of his soul....Teeheehee!

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by Anonymousreply 31July 15, 2015 2:52 AM

You dont give a shit that you are helping to break up a marriage and ruin lives. I was stupid to ask the question.

You are jealous as hell that you were not born a woman, so you love pulling a man to your depths of depravity.

You are a parody of yourself. An oversized Barbie Doll. You equate femininity with lipstick and highheels and acting like the subservient ditz you think women should be.

You are a sad joke. You can't even fathom how superficial you are. Oh,!your entire life you have been learning how to please a man. Who the fuck are you Queen Guinivere-I think she burned at the stake.

You have a mental illness. You have absolutely no feelings for anyone but yourself. You should have spent more time talking to a therapist rather than ruining your already bad credit in Victorias Secret.

As my mother would say, you are more to be pitied then scorned.

by Anonymousreply 32July 15, 2015 3:09 AM

As a lesbian I've been mainly concerned by the recent T movement for the danger it poses to gender non-conforming children and gay youth - and the inherently homophobic message it expounds.

But reading that excrement just makes me just furious as a woman. How dare these men, regardless of whatever gender issues they feel, dictate the terms of womanhood and femininity. How dare they reduce our existence to superficial societal trappings. Wearing stockings and lipstick is not the female experience.

I'm not easily offended. But this managed it and then some.

by Anonymousreply 33July 15, 2015 4:09 AM

Straight men run from trannies. And so do gays. T is fetish. Take your hose and heels some other place.

by Anonymousreply 34July 15, 2015 9:38 AM

So she says she only wants to date straight men - good for her. However I'll bet she wouldn;t date a F2M tranny.

by Anonymousreply 35July 15, 2015 10:02 AM

R22 actually thinks the tranny is posting here. Let's laugh at him.

R22 The OP is copying and pasting the story and signing off as Suze.

by Anonymousreply 36July 15, 2015 10:30 AM

Transwomen often reflect back what straight men think about women anyway: That feminity is all about make-up and clothes. See how uncomfortable men are with women who don't conform to that stereotype. Also, men who really like pussy are not into transwomen. because a pussy is more than a surgically constructed hole. Men who think that women are holes with make-up are fine with transwomen i guess.

by Anonymousreply 37July 15, 2015 10:36 AM

"That is what I believe turns men on the most, the "Hey, Look at me; I'm sexy!" attitude that their wives and girlfriends have either lost or never have gotten quite right." What a fucking asshole. Women lose that attitude because beginning from their teens they are constantly harassed by guys, often raped etc. the threat of sexual violence is always in the air for woman once they hit puberty. A MAN wouldn't understand. Guys can call themselves transwoman as long as they want, i don't care, but calling themselves BETTER women makes me want to punch them in the face.

by Anonymousreply 38July 15, 2015 10:44 AM

What's up with all the bigoted anti trans posts lately? Is it just one or two hateful trolls? Why is the webmaster allowing anti trans comments on this board?

by Anonymousreply 39July 15, 2015 10:51 AM

Oh it's anti-trans to be anti-sexist and anti-misogynist? be my guest.

by Anonymousreply 40July 15, 2015 10:52 AM

No woman, trans or otherwise, could possibly live up to the media-fed fantasy of feminine glamor the OP is spinning here. The women I do see who are trying their damndest to be full-time high-heeled sirens mostly look desperate for attention and pissed off that all the effort they're going to isn't appreciated more. There are plenty of beautiful women who wear comfortable shoes and barely a hint of makeup and are all the more attractive because they look confident and relaxed.

by Anonymousreply 41July 15, 2015 11:15 AM

Have you read that pathetic article written by that tranny? Are you equally concerned with this fetishist's clear hatred of women? Woulld a woman (as opposed to a man in a dress) define her essence as a woman entirely on how she dresses, like this deluded tranny does?

by Anonymousreply 42July 15, 2015 11:32 AM

[quote]We LOVE being women more than most genetic women.

Because real women don't have a fetish for being women.

by Anonymousreply 43July 15, 2015 11:40 AM

Google anti trans bigotry, r43, and get back to me.

by Anonymousreply 44July 15, 2015 11:43 AM

If it is anti-trans bigotry to take science seriously, then, to paraphrase another poster, be my guest.

by Anonymousreply 45July 15, 2015 11:47 AM

Oh dear. There's just so MANY requirements for happiness here. So many requirements for the other person to love the transgendered person, and the rules change constantly from person to person. I truly feel terrible for transgendered people. They have an exceptionally hard road in life, made even harder by social norms, and to put all of these requirements on top, well...

by Anonymousreply 46July 15, 2015 11:57 AM

There is no woman involved - it's a man obsessed with fetishes and his idea of what a "woman" is... i.e. heels, purse, fishnet stockings, - derived from porn and as little contact with women as possible. This is for men that do not know much about women - deep in the closet and afraid of homosexuality homosexuals, or straight men that are unable to form relationships and emotional contact and mentally exist in porn so can only understand the basic images dished out in porn.

by Anonymousreply 47July 15, 2015 11:59 AM

I'm glad MichFest chose to end rather than permit these freaks on "the land."

Too bad lesbian organizations and music groups chose to boycott MichFest. Boggles the mind.

by Anonymousreply 48July 15, 2015 12:06 PM

They were bullied, R48, and caved in like obedient girls.

by Anonymousreply 49July 15, 2015 12:10 PM

As a practical statement, there is still a huge stigma associated with being transgendered. Your initial premise is false.

There is an extremely small minority of straight men who are wiling to have sex with a transgendered person.

It is not anti-anything to recognize that. If it were not true, there would be no controversy about the need to disclose immediately. The fact that it still poses a hurdle and many transgendered must be concerned about violence underlines that truth - whether it's right or fair.

by Anonymousreply 50July 15, 2015 12:10 PM

[quote]Any man that's into trans-women isn't straight.

It's actually funny you'd say that, suggesting the men who embed transwomen must be gay. Apparently, it's impossible to get a straight man to admit another male is attractive, but apparently you think it's possible to get gay men to play with fake boobs and drill fake vags. Only straight men have standards, it seems.

Anyway, trans porn was at first marketed at gay men but it flopped there - gay men just aren't into the female shape, and that long thing dangling between the legs doesn't make up for the loss of the secondary characteristics of the male sex. Today, shemale porn is a niche male heterosexual interest, and internet search analyses show men who look for it tend to consume straight, not gay, porn. That isn't to say those men are typical straight men - psychologists tend to see this particular interest as a fetish, and have a name for it (gynandromorphophilia).

by Anonymousreply 51July 15, 2015 12:27 PM

I went to the article and read the comments. "Suzie" was giving her phone number out left, right and centre to any guy who left a comment.

Hmmmm ... perhaps not as successful with men as "she" professes to be?

by Anonymousreply 52July 15, 2015 1:12 PM

I'm a gay male, so don't have any experience about what being a woman is llike. But I can safely guess that being a woman involves more than high heels, mini-skirts. How can this tranny possibly claim to know what being a woman is like when he has reduced it to mere cosmetics?

by Anonymousreply 53July 15, 2015 1:15 PM

R45 It's not science, dumbass.

by Anonymousreply 54July 15, 2015 1:17 PM

Sounds as if she changed genders AND centuries.

by Anonymousreply 55July 15, 2015 1:24 PM

I think the perfect (and polite) reply to what OP's article said is this woman.

She's making the opposite point: please don't come into a woman's house and suggest that you can tell a woman, especially a woman born woman, what it is to BE a woman.

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by Anonymousreply 56July 15, 2015 1:27 PM

they love the FRAGRANCE

by Anonymousreply 57July 15, 2015 1:32 PM

R45 You know it is. It's in the DSM and all.

by Anonymousreply 58July 15, 2015 1:32 PM

Post above is addressed to R54.

by Anonymousreply 59July 15, 2015 1:33 PM

R51, gay men who are out and proud aren't into "chicks with dicks."

Closet cases who repress and hate their own homosexuality or bisexuality are attracted to MTTs. But only for sex -- not to marry and take home to momma. The tranny is their dirty secret.

by Anonymousreply 60July 15, 2015 1:33 PM

I was always told tits were useless on a bull, well guess what, tits & a dick, seems to be some mens ideal.

by Anonymousreply 61July 15, 2015 1:48 PM

well, i am a straight guy who got into tranny porn and now am lusting this gay guy i work with. so can i get an answer? that is right i am pretty sure i am bisexual and accept it and before i couldn't because of the shame

by Anonymousreply 62July 15, 2015 2:02 PM

[quote]You need a psychiatrist [R26].

Fraus are so quick to run to the shrink!

by Anonymousreply 63July 15, 2015 2:09 PM

Is that Nick Nolte in drag?

by Anonymousreply 64July 15, 2015 2:14 PM

This reads like Phyllis Schlafly, with all the essentialist "femininity" crap.

by Anonymousreply 65July 15, 2015 2:43 PM

What a load of crap. I can't take any of this seriously.

This article had be for trolling purposes. The author can't be that delusional.

by Anonymousreply 66July 15, 2015 3:08 PM

The OP - you really should differentiate between transgenders with original dicks, and transgenders with manufactured pussies.

I know men who like one set, or the other, but NOT both.

Also I know a fair amount about the trans MTF experience and MTF often want the dick to go, but if the dick goes, so go the lovers.

by Anonymousreply 67July 15, 2015 3:12 PM

[quote]Men who think that women are holes with make-up are fine with transwomen i guess.

Lots of straight men DO think that.

by Anonymousreply 68July 15, 2015 3:13 PM

so you know, that picture is not of a mtf but to me more like a non- hormone man in dress, wig an so forth. i could tell. don't ask

by Anonymousreply 69July 15, 2015 3:20 PM

[quote]so you know, that picture is not of a mtf but to me more like a non- hormone man in dress, wig an so forth. i could tell. don't ask

Really? I thought it was Baby Jane Hudson about to croak out "I've Written A Letter To Daddy."

by Anonymousreply 70July 15, 2015 4:17 PM

[quote]Women lose that attitude because beginning from their teens they are constantly harassed by guys, often raped etc

This. Transwomen won't ever have to deal with this constant fear OR harassment. They crave the attention born women usually dislike.

It's sad but true that straight men think women are simply put here for their pleasure and convenience. Most of them don't really think of women as people.

by Anonymousreply 71July 15, 2015 4:57 PM

I don't think it's fair to say no transwomen deal with harassment or rape threats. A lot of the more petite, less physically dominant-looking ones absolutely do. It's a real problem among trans sex workers. Some straight guys are fucking crazy and the trans ladies who strongly exhibit feminine characteristics become a target for men who think feminine characteristics = easy target ready-made victim regardless of what's between your legs.

But then I also think there's a difference between those trans folks and straight male fetishists like the person who wrote the article in the OP.

by Anonymousreply 72July 15, 2015 5:32 PM

[quote]What's up with all the bigoted anti trans posts lately? Is it just one or two hateful trolls? Why is the webmaster allowing anti trans comments on this board?

R39, you've posted this exact thing several times over the last couple of months. I mean, almost word-for-word exact, in replies and at least one post. What's your deal? You've been here long enough to know that DL is an anonymous free-for-all of pointless bitchery. Your campaign to change it into a place that mirrors your personal beliefs is a huge waste of time.

by Anonymousreply 73July 15, 2015 5:50 PM

Like the headline, a lot of the trans propaganda follow Goebbels's 'If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it"

by Anonymousreply 74July 15, 2015 5:56 PM

the article is pretty trolololol to me

by Anonymousreply 75July 15, 2015 6:14 PM

Idk man. I'm bisexual. Good pussy is A+. And I love twinky guys. But there's something about the combination of cute female face + penis that turns me off so much. Gotta keep that separated.

by Anonymousreply 76July 15, 2015 6:21 PM

[quote]I don't think it's fair to say no transwomen deal with harassment or rape threats. A lot of the more petite, less physically dominant-looking ones absolutely do

And some "transwomen" are actually rapists, iirc, so I guess that's a way to "deal with rape threats" -- by making them.

by Anonymousreply 77July 15, 2015 6:26 PM

Some men, trans men and women are, too, R77. What's your point got to do with anything?

by Anonymousreply 78July 15, 2015 6:31 PM

Men are whores.

by Anonymousreply 79July 15, 2015 6:43 PM

[quote] Why is the webmaster allowing anti trans comments on this board?

Where would the webmaster start? What offends you? I know the answer: EVERYTHING.

We know trans people are offended by every fucking thing every "cisgender" person says every second of every minute of every hour of every day.

This exclamation point !!!!!! would be derided as a prime example of phallic privilege, patriarchy and anti-trans sentiment and 400 people would immediately sign a petition suggesting I be thrown in jail.

by Anonymousreply 80July 15, 2015 7:10 PM

R78, the only women who are rapists are statutory rapists -- a social construct.

Men are the ones who commit sexual violence against people of consenting age. So the assertion that a tranny knows about the rape fears of women isn't just wrong, it's also disgusting.

by Anonymousreply 81July 15, 2015 7:11 PM

R81 Are you a man or a woman? And are you some hardcore Christian nut? I want to know if I should further engage you or just put you on ignore.

by Anonymousreply 82July 15, 2015 7:18 PM

sounds like a stupid woman to me. also makes me wonder why the fuck is the female sex here. You are not welcomed, stupid cunts

by Anonymousreply 83July 15, 2015 7:20 PM

Judy renders final ruling.

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by Anonymousreply 84July 15, 2015 7:22 PM

R81 is correct.

Nobody crosses the street when they see a woman following them.

Men don't avoid going out at night alone from fear that a woman or group of women will rape them.

by Anonymousreply 85July 15, 2015 7:24 PM

Lol.

The irony is that r83 is a transwoman. They can dish it out, but they can't take it.

by Anonymousreply 86July 15, 2015 7:26 PM

The unbelievable misogyny of this article basically saying males are better at being women than females. How are the transgender activists going to defend this? I'm sick and tired of deluded trannies. Drop the T.

by Anonymousreply 87July 15, 2015 7:26 PM

R83 Says the "straight" man watching tranny porn. Take several seats, hun. You are just as fucked up, as the person you were addressing.

by Anonymousreply 88July 15, 2015 7:28 PM

nope, not a tranny but a full grown man. nice assumption to reply 86

by Anonymousreply 89July 15, 2015 7:30 PM

R88 It's pretty fucked up to judge the guy's sexuality. Especially if you're a straight woman and therefore clueless about gayness to any degree. R83 is only concerned about women on this site, not in general.

by Anonymousreply 90July 15, 2015 7:33 PM

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

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by Anonymousreply 91July 15, 2015 7:36 PM

[quote]What's up with all the bigoted anti trans posts lately? Is it just one or two hateful trolls? Why is the webmaster allowing anti trans comments on this board?

DL has a wide variety of bigots and no one takes it as personally as trans do. Have trans noticed the hate filled antisemitism & anti M*slim replies and threads? How about the casual racism? None of those threads are ever closed or deleted, yet the trans community has to be treated with special consideration and it's getting to be ridiculous. I am not anti trans or anti anything else, except for thin skinned people.

by Anonymousreply 92July 15, 2015 7:37 PM

[quote]Nobody crosses the street when they see a woman following them.

But some petite feminine-presenting males *do* cross the street when they see a man following them, and that was my point. I'm a woman (born woman) and in no way am I saying that the experiences of some trans women who have experienced rape and rape threats are identical to the experiences of women-born-women with rape and the threat of rape. Only that they do, in fact, experience these things more than masculine-presenting men. That's just common sense, since rapists will prey on those whom they perceive as being easy targets, and they often also perceive femininity as being de facto weaker.

by Anonymousreply 93July 15, 2015 7:43 PM

I just put the charmer at R83 on ignore and looking at his other posts in the Ignored tab, I see he's not only claiming to be a straight man who loves trans women, but is also starting threads arguing pro-Jeb pro-Confederate and several threads about a few underage starlets like Rue from the Hunger Games and Kylie Jenner, in addition to being the auteur of the "Vines of Guys Presenting their Cocks" compilation thread.

And now I can't stop laughing.

by Anonymousreply 94July 15, 2015 7:48 PM

R90 It's my opinion. How man threads have we had here on Datalounge over the years about guys like him? Lots. He opened the door the moment he said "straight".

When he said, "sounds like a stupid woman" that means he has a negative opinion in general.

by Anonymousreply 95July 15, 2015 7:49 PM

dam, what is the pro-jeb-pro confed or other things you are accusing me of? ur just some woman who believes that gay men are puppets/ toys and want to get in our business. I I also think ur woman ego got hurt (too funny) because pussy is not the only thing revolves around the world. i savor at all those straight men who want a blow job from us gays because we get it done unlike frigid women. now go away like the ass you are.

by Anonymousreply 96July 15, 2015 8:01 PM

R96 is insane. And who the fuck is he talking to?

by Anonymousreply 97July 15, 2015 8:05 PM

to the person that accused me of being the straight guy that likes trannies. she knows nothing

by Anonymousreply 98July 15, 2015 8:10 PM

R91, find the "what makes a woman?" thread for a *very long* list of rapes and assaults committed by transwomen on women and children. There must be about 30 or so on the list.

You found an aberration. Men do not fear women rapists.

by Anonymousreply 99July 15, 2015 8:25 PM

R99 is Michelle Duggar.

by Anonymousreply 100July 15, 2015 8:50 PM

R100 = tranny who thinks "she" passes.

by Anonymousreply 101July 15, 2015 8:54 PM

Because they can have beauty staring at them with a surprise -- a penis. So they can have femininity and "eat it" -- too!

by Anonymousreply 102July 15, 2015 8:58 PM

R39 That shit doesn't work here, DL is not Michfest or LOGO.

This probably isn't the place for such a delicate flower.

by Anonymousreply 103July 15, 2015 9:23 PM

It is very insulting when a man presumes that with a bit of surgery and hormone therapy he can be magically transformed into a woman. He does not experience the hell of period pains, the agony of childbirth, if he is sexually harassed while waking down the street he probably enjoys it, and after 5 minutes of being a pretend woman has the cheek to say he feels our pain.

by Anonymousreply 104July 15, 2015 9:28 PM

We need more trannies like the lunatic in OPs post to let rip with their 19th century views on women and men.

What a freak. I assume he spends the hours he's not sucking the cocks of married fetishists for cash reclining on a broken down chaise longue he picked up at the Brown Elephant, plucking off the hairs around his cock and whistling 'all the nice girls love a sailor' to itself.

by Anonymousreply 105July 15, 2015 10:48 PM

^ ' views on women and men so more people can be reminded of the fact that the trans agenda is a sick and regressive one '

by Anonymousreply 106July 15, 2015 10:50 PM

[quote] We need more trannies like the lunatic in OPs post to let rip with their 19th century views on women and men.

I haven't read anything this stomach-turningly regressive in quite awhile.

by Anonymousreply 107July 15, 2015 10:53 PM

By which I mean the article OP posted. Seriously. I haven't read anything this, well, Victorian since Victoria was queen and Oscar Wilde was on trial.

by Anonymousreply 108July 15, 2015 10:55 PM

I thought I'd accidentally stumbled on that freakshow LadiesAgainstFeminism.org blog.

by Anonymousreply 109July 15, 2015 11:02 PM

"This article had be for trolling purposes. The author can't be that delusional."

Why not? There are bio-women out there who'll do absolutely anything for a man and ask nothing in return but to beg him to "...tell me I'm pretty".

That's what all the author's verbiage about "nurturing" boils down to, being what other women would call "a desperate whore". I do hope she'll grow out of it and realize there's more to life, but somehow I doubt it. She's so wrapped up in the fantasy of being a lovely nurturing woman that real life's pressures aren't going to have the usual effect.

by Anonymousreply 110July 15, 2015 11:02 PM

It's sad but true that straight men think women are simply put here for their pleasure and convenience. Most of them don't really think of women as people."

Lie. Utter f..king lie. The men I know,,love, and work with would take TREMENDOUS offense to this statement.

by Anonymousreply 111July 15, 2015 11:02 PM

[quote] We LOVE being women more than most genetic women

Because you haven't been through menstrual cramps, sore breasts at that time of the month; endometriosis, ovarian cysts, uterine fibroids, pregnancy, childbirth, episiotomy, c section, breast cancer, ovarian cancer, cervical cancer, uterine cancer, hot flashes, vaginal dryness, memory loss with menopause. You never had to take birth control or worry about an unwanted pregnancy. You didn't grow up with the ever present fear of rape.

You also were never discriminated against and expected to conform to a female gender norm while growing up. You couldn't wait to conform to that gender norm -- without the messiness that comes with.the actual sexual organs.

by Anonymousreply 112July 15, 2015 11:08 PM

I don't have tv, but I happened to be somewhere where there was one this week, and I was flipping the channels and there was this cheap local programming show where they were talking about parenting and other light topics and they started talking about "transgender kids" - the "panel" consisted of two straight men and a straight woman and you could tell they never questioned stereotypes "male" and "female" behavior or roles in their lives. In general, they did not seem like "thinkers" at all. But they were all into the "transgender kids" thing, thought it was great and one of the men said "If you child is not into football" you have to make a decision that they might be transgender.

This stupidity is pushing things way, way back.

by Anonymousreply 113July 15, 2015 11:09 PM

I'm just going to leave Miss Suzi's Facebook page here without comment.

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by Anonymousreply 114July 15, 2015 11:23 PM

" I love to wear lipstick and nail polish and lacy underwear and nylons and high heels and long hair with ribbons and bows as I flirt and smile and tease"

Only a fetishist could write this shit with a straight face. Ribbons and bows, really? Who are you trying to emulate, Little Bo Peep?

by Anonymousreply 115July 15, 2015 11:31 PM

likes Fox News

by Anonymousreply 116July 15, 2015 11:33 PM

Miss Suzi's talk about relationships with men sound remarkably like the self-loathing, self-esteem-free gay men here, the ones who complain that women don't do nearly enough to please straight men, and if they had a straight men they'd spend all day cooking for him and sucking his wiener, and who are straight women to demand anything from their men in return?

Funny about that.

by Anonymousreply 117July 15, 2015 11:37 PM

Miss Suzi's talk about relationships sound remarkably like the delusional ravings of an individual with untreated personality disorders to me, probably an enticing combo of histrionic and borderline, smothered in delusion and sprinkled with jealous hatred of chicks.

by Anonymousreply 118July 15, 2015 11:46 PM

Is GIRLS WILL BE GIRLS some sort of transsexual movie?

He also like "Heels" both in the movie and music category. This almost has to be a parody.

by Anonymousreply 119July 16, 2015 12:06 AM

She looks like something that's played for laughs in a 1970s "Man About the House"-type English sitcom. A dime-store tranny with no taste.

by Anonymousreply 120July 16, 2015 12:20 AM

Yes, that jawline and that nose just scream "femininity."

by Anonymousreply 121July 16, 2015 12:52 AM

R114 someone please light it on fire!

by Anonymousreply 122July 16, 2015 1:52 AM

Oh myyyyy!

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by Anonymousreply 123July 16, 2015 1:56 AM

This dude is literally Emily Howard from Little Britain come to life. Does he even have fake boobs? His companion in the pic at R122 still has a visible beard.

by Anonymousreply 124July 16, 2015 2:03 AM

Luv me my Laverne

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by Anonymousreply 125July 16, 2015 2:07 AM

Good post, R112.

by Anonymousreply 126July 16, 2015 2:26 AM

From r56's link:

"Let me get this right: The word “vagina” is exclusionary and offers an extremely narrow perspective on womanhood, so the 3.5 billion of us who have vaginas, along with the trans people who want them, should describe ours with the politically correct terminology trans activists are pushing on us: “front hole” or “internal genitalia”?"

They're demanding that vaginas should be called internal genitalia or front hole? Holy fuck. I had no idea they had gone so batshit crazy. And r124 is right, that IS Emily Howard. I'm a LADEEEEEEEE!!!

by Anonymousreply 127July 16, 2015 2:29 AM

Holy shit, is the guy on the right in R123's picture Robin Williams?

by Anonymousreply 128July 16, 2015 2:33 AM

[quote]Sometimes a gentleman just wants to be with a woman who really loves being a woman. He longs for a woman who appreciates his desires and his need to look at, to talk with, to touch, to kiss, and to love a woman in high heels, nylons, lipstick, lace, and perfume with soft smooth shiny skin. He desires a woman who gives her undivided attention just to him. He wants a woman who does not make him feel stupid, queer, or unmasculine when he expresses his love of her femininity and his deepest longings to her.

This is also what I have read as the reason men go to prostitutes. Exactly word for word.

Basically straight guys whose egos are suffering need to fill up at the vagina or "vagina" station to make all the bad boogies go away and have his boo boos kissed and get his dick hard so he can feel like a real man. Giant pussies. Surprised they need to borrow someone elses.

God straight guys are pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 129July 16, 2015 3:01 AM

more Emily Howard :)

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by Anonymousreply 130July 16, 2015 3:33 AM

R129, trolling as usual.

by Anonymousreply 131July 16, 2015 3:41 AM

Why is it when men dress as "women" they often wear thick blue eye shadow? Blue eye shadow went out in the 1970s. I remember my sister wearing it then, and hers was much thinner and more blended than the blue crayon upthread. Most of these guys weren't even alive then. That's how drag queens do their makeup - exaggerated and cartoonish.

If one of those guys pictured upthread thinks looking like a football player in a wig and lipstick makes someone more ladylike, and therefore more attractive to men, than a real woman, that person is delusional. And if a man would prefer that look he is a gay man in denial. There is nothing feminine about those "women" other than their wardrobe. They take fetishism to another level. A five foot tall woman in a plaid shirt might as well call herself Paul Bunyan.

by Anonymousreply 132July 16, 2015 4:31 AM

Yeah trolling up your ass motherfucker.

Eat me r131.

As gay men we get called effeminate and list of other things that attack our masculinity meant to shame us. Meanwhile straight guys can act like the biggest pussies and no one calls them out.

So I did.

by Anonymousreply 133July 16, 2015 4:32 AM

[quote]Why Do Straight Men Love Transgendered Women?

Uh, actually they don't. Wake up to reality.

by Anonymousreply 134July 16, 2015 5:24 AM

So the definition of femininity is to become a fucking whore. Got it!

by Anonymousreply 135July 16, 2015 5:37 AM

[quote]There's just so MANY requirements for happiness here. So many requirements for the other person to love the transgendered person, and the rules change constantly from person to person.

THIS

Here's what Suzi says:

[quote]some men will approach transgendered women because of their latent homosexuality, bisexuality, or merely a desire to get a hold of and do things with a penis. Personally, I avoid penis chasers like the plague. That is just so insulting both to me and to my long-suffered-for and hard-won femininity. As soon as a man or potential date mentions “top-bottom, girl-with-something-extra, do-me, wants to wear my shoes, or claims to be bisexual or curious”, I drop him immediately as a total turn-off.

How the fuck does this freak find ANYONE to "date"? All these "rules" combined with the truck driver face and body must make it nearly impossible. And how about this little gem:

[quote]If a man is attracted to me but is rather afraid of my potential penis or even avoids my nether-regions entirely, I take it as a compliment that only increases my desire to be with him

So, he doesn't even want his gentleman callers to touch his "nether regions". He believes true femininity means giving pleasure, not receiving. In his warped mind, this is where real women fall short. They want equality in their sexual relationships. They want to get fucked and have orgasms ((gasp)).

by Anonymousreply 136July 16, 2015 11:40 AM

R125 Laverne Cox looks good, but why do her wigs always look as if they are floating a 1/4 inch above her head?

by Anonymousreply 137July 16, 2015 12:10 PM

R129, straight men go visit prostitutes because they want to exercise power.

What is so pitiful and truly pathetic about this trans hooker is that she is actually romanticising her paid encounters with her johns.

She seems to think it's some sort of boast-worthy 'victory' over biological women, and these johns girlfriends and wives, that they pay a tranny hooker to blow them and flatter them for an hour.

How fucking tragically low must this person's self-esteem be? None of those men would walk down the street with 'her', or take 'her' to dinner, or to meet their friends and family, and if she thinks she is any more to them than a novelty fetish fuck, she is deluding herself.

Plus, the rates of violence against sex workers are high - she may change her tune when she finds out one of these 'gentlemen' who 'call' on her beat her up or cut her, because most men who are into hookers are into power, and its not her that has any, in those encounters.

by Anonymousreply 138July 16, 2015 1:09 PM

That guy looks like a woman in the same way Dataloungers look ten years younger.

by Anonymousreply 139July 16, 2015 1:15 PM

"He believes true femininity means giving pleasure, not receiving. In his warped mind, this is where real women fall short."

Femininity is not the same things as submissiveness. The unintelligent frequently confuse the two, because they don't understand the real nature of femininity and masculinity.

by Anonymousreply 140July 16, 2015 2:10 PM

Because 'he' has no clue what kind of mind-blowing orgasms you can have with a real pussy.

by Anonymousreply 141July 16, 2015 3:17 PM

He reminds me of this Phil Hartman character

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by Anonymousreply 142July 16, 2015 5:40 PM

Lol. He reminds me of this ladies night beer commercial.

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by Anonymousreply 143July 16, 2015 6:02 PM

The pic at R123 reminds of E.T.

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by Anonymousreply 144July 16, 2015 6:19 PM

"Femininity" doesn't exist - it is an old sexist term used to put down women. Fundamentalists and trans are the ones that use it.

by Anonymousreply 145July 16, 2015 6:26 PM

R138, I don't know which women's studies guide circa 1988 gave you the idea that straight men go to hookers to exercise power, but that's one of those stupid fucking lies that no person with a brain should believe. Men go to prostitutes because they want sex, period. Whether it's because sex isn't available to them or they want to pay for either someone better looking than they could otherwise score, it's not some patriarchal oppression theory that Andrea Dworkin conceived while fingering herself over rape fantasies.

by Anonymousreply 146July 16, 2015 7:52 PM

Fuck off, you idiotic dimwit @ R146.

How do you explain the numbers of sex workers that are beaten and raped?

by Anonymousreply 147July 16, 2015 7:58 PM

R146 needs some basic education.

Up to 75% of female sex workers started before they were 18, and the average age of entry into sex work is 15.

The majority of women involved in off street sex work are economic migrants or illegally trafficked women, whose passports have been taken by gangsters and the men who pay the gangsters for sex with them are paying to rape.

Abusing damaged kids and women who are being held against their will is not about men just wanting a harmless, mutually consensual fuck. It's about power, so fuck your anti-feminist bullshit R146, it doesn't wash with anyone who understands the sex industry.

by Anonymousreply 148July 16, 2015 8:10 PM

Prostitutes aren't sex workers -- they are sex *slaves.*

by Anonymousreply 149July 16, 2015 8:35 PM

True, R149.

by Anonymousreply 150July 16, 2015 8:39 PM

R148, your statistics fail to demonstrate your idea that prostitution is about power. The age at which most prostitutes begin working has no bearing on this, and I suspect that you included it primarily as an emotional argument (look at the poor teen hookers!) because it is otherwise irrelevant.

Further, the idea that most prostitutes are victims of human trafficking is an example of one of those moral panics that statistics generally prove to be false; remember the lie that thousands of women are trafficked in to the United States for the Super Bowl alone? The number of economic migrants engaged in prostitutiton is easy to explain: uneducated women with few legal opportunities for work will understandably engage in criminal behavior if need be. Your facts, even assuming they are true, explain supply but say nothing about the demand.

That many prostitutes are victims of violent crime seems more easily explainable by the fact that prostitutiton is illegal, and any criminal activity, particularly one centered in economically depressed communities, is going to be far riskier and more dangerous. Drug dealing is the best example of that. Claiming that it's because men want to exert power is an untrue political assertion disguised as fact.

by Anonymousreply 151July 16, 2015 8:42 PM

[quote] "Femininity" doesn't exist - it is an old sexist term used to put down women. Fundamentalists and trans are the ones that use it.

What about two Jews working for Walt Disney fifty years ago for a period piece set 100 years ago?

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by Anonymousreply 152July 16, 2015 8:49 PM

Oh, bullshit, r151.

Are you a transwoman?

by Anonymousreply 153July 16, 2015 8:50 PM

Keeping prostitution illegal empowers those who assault women because it makes it difficult for them to cooperate with police without getting booked for hooking.

by Anonymousreply 154July 16, 2015 8:53 PM

No, R153, I'm a man (and not under the delusion that I could be anything but one) and thus actually know how the male sex drive works. That's why I call bullshit on the idea that men have sex to exert power. It's a fantasy that only a woman would concoct.

by Anonymousreply 155July 16, 2015 9:02 PM

The most obvious reason: they can fuck them without them ending up pregnant.

by Anonymousreply 156July 16, 2015 9:09 PM

In many ways, the feminist movement was an attack on gendered stereotypes--being a girl does not mean wearing lipstick, skirts, and high heels. The trans movement seem to feel it does and want to resurrect stereotypical roles while retaining male privileges. Notice that Caitlyn keeps reminding us she was an Olympian and Suzi brings up her professional credentials as a scientist (a field in which biological females are not encouraged to excel) while maintaining she's better at attracting men than biological females. r. I think everyone wants the violence and discrimination to stop against transwomen and transmen. I'm less comfortable with having them prescribe linguistic usage and define what being a woman is. And if someone disagrees, you're a phobe.

by Anonymousreply 157July 16, 2015 9:11 PM

So r155...what about the prostitutes and strippers who get beat up by johns?

More prostitutes were murdered last year than transwomen. Does anyone care?

Men are violent. That's why violence against women is so "acceptable."

by Anonymousreply 158July 16, 2015 9:17 PM

I question any straight man's sexuality, if he is into banging transexuals.

by Anonymousreply 159July 16, 2015 9:23 PM

Meant transgender

by Anonymousreply 160July 16, 2015 9:25 PM

You're right, R158. No one cares about violence against women, and people find it acceptable. That's why Nancy Grace is a little known district attorney and not a household name.

This explains your insistence that men wanting sex is about power. You live in a fantasy world with absolutely no connection to reality.

by Anonymousreply 161July 16, 2015 9:32 PM

Probably more K2 and 3 than 100 percent straight.

by Anonymousreply 162July 16, 2015 9:36 PM

you guys don't get it. heterosexual guys are the most simplistic sexual creatures on the planet. as long as you have tits and hole they'll fuck it. and you look feminine, they don't care. they are skin idiots. and nowadays trannys can get the best surgery looking fully feminine.

by Anonymousreply 163July 16, 2015 9:39 PM

male-male prostitution may be different

women enter prostitution because of poverty/abuse/drugs - it isn't really "sex" for them...And sex is probably more available now than any other time via bars, internet, more liberated times etc, making prostitution less necessary. They want someone they can treat badly.

by Anonymousreply 164July 16, 2015 9:51 PM

Or, R154, they want a woman who weighs under 200lbs and won't nag them about leaving the toilet seat up. Or they want a woman who will do certain things that a wife or girlfriend has refused, even something as simple as oral. Or they want a guaranteed sexual encounter without having to go out to a bar and wasting money on drinks while hoping to find the right woman. Or they're just so unattractive that the only way to have sex is to pay for it.

None of this requires a desire to abuse women. Men, whether gay or straight, don't necessarily think that way.

by Anonymousreply 165July 16, 2015 10:03 PM

R165, your idea of female prostitution is so sweet and romantic

by Anonymousreply 166July 16, 2015 10:30 PM

"That many prostitutes are victims of violent crime seems more easily explainable by the fact that prostitutiton is illegal, and any criminal activity, particularly one centered in economically depressed communities, is going to be far riskier and more dangerous."

That may explain why prostitutes suffer violence from their associates or their neighbors, but not from their clients.

Look, the reasons men go to prostitutes for a variety of reasons, . Some want a specific sex act,or for certain physical attributes, and some want to pay a woman to be nice to them or just do what he wants; and BTW most want a relationship with a woman where getting their way costs them nothing but a little money (which could be called a power dynamic if you insist). A few do actually like to hurt women, and since they tend to see sex workers as less than human and a fair target, they're the ones who make whore/client relationships so dangerous. Even if only 1 in 1,000 or 10,000 Johns has that streak of nonconsensual sadism, it's almost impossible for a sex worker to protect themselves from the bad ones, and why people with options don't go into sex work.

Why are we talking about prostitution, anyway? Does that Miss Suzi actually charge money? Hard to believe it, with that face.

by Anonymousreply 167July 16, 2015 11:09 PM

Anecdote that supports r167, I was incredibly surprised when a guy I worked with was arrested for attempted murder. He was a really nice guy, funny, kind, real family man, church going Catholic married with three kids. He was taken away from the office in handcuffs for beating a prostitute so badly she lost an eye. At the trial it came out that he had been beating prostitutes for years, had a whole madonna-whore complex thing going on and got off on having power over someone he considered subhuman.

I think there's a whole lot of madonna-whore hatred going on with a substantial number of guys who use prostitutes.

by Anonymousreply 168July 16, 2015 11:33 PM

The insane idea that women and children are not sexually trafficked on a global scale, and in this country as well, is more than insane, it's uneducated and ignorant. Whoever suggests it ought to read some INTERPOL reports.

by Anonymousreply 169July 16, 2015 11:40 PM

Trans pussy doesn't smell like fish. That's why!

by Anonymousreply 170July 17, 2015 1:19 PM

You guys are making this WAY too complicated. Men are pigs. They'll fuck anything including flesh lights, animals, apple pies, melons and vacuum cleaners. They are not 'attracted' to these objects. All of the above are just masturbatory aids some straight men use to get off while they fantasize about hot women (they can't get). Another man's mouth is no different.

by Anonymousreply 171July 17, 2015 1:49 PM

R170= Hank Baskett

by Anonymousreply 172July 17, 2015 1:56 PM

You are correct, R171.

A man on TLC show My Strange Addiction admitted to fucking his car. I'm still confused as to how, but I guess I should be happy it wasn't his dog or houseplant.

by Anonymousreply 173July 17, 2015 2:10 PM

R171 = Misandrist lezzie. Even though, on this gay male forum, she includes the caveat "straight" in her denunciation of men, I can tell you from reading lezzie blogs that she very much thinks gay men are hypersexual subhumans, too.

by Anonymousreply 174July 17, 2015 2:13 PM

Transgender women are women, their brains are feminine so no surprise if heterosexual men feel sexually attracted to them.

This question should have been about heterosexual men attracted to crossdressers.

by Anonymousreply 175July 17, 2015 2:41 PM

[quote]their brains are feminine

"Straight trans women" do have some sex atypical brain features, but so do gay men. That doesn't make us women. As for transbians, who are the majority of MTFs in the West, there's no proof of their having any sex atypical features. None.

by Anonymousreply 176July 17, 2015 2:43 PM

The brain of a transgender woman is almost identical to that of a biological woman.

The brain of a homosexual man differs from that of a heterosexual man because its wiring regarding sexual attraction is similar to that of heterosexual women, but their male identity is not in conflict. The brain of homosexual men is masculine.

by Anonymousreply 177July 17, 2015 2:51 PM

I went on to Miss Suzi's webpage where she advertises her phone sex line. She references her big shemale cock

by Anonymousreply 178July 17, 2015 2:55 PM

So, R178, she wants them to know about it but not touch it. Got it.

by Anonymousreply 179July 17, 2015 3:10 PM

Oh Miss Sui "Do you dream of a sexy romantic shemale with something extra special so smoothe and pretty and hard under her lacy panties who longs to please you and who makes you feel more like a man than any other woman ever has while she seduces you and gets you to do things... to touch things... to kiss things... to suck on things that you never have before?" Her johns are straight. Do you hear me? STRAIGHT

by Anonymousreply 180July 17, 2015 3:16 PM

[quote]The brain of a transgender woman is almost identical to that of a biological woman.

Unlike you, I've actually seen studies about the brain structure of straight trans women, and I'm calling utter bullshit on that. The brains of transwomen are not "almost identical" to that of biological women; they have both similarities and differences with both women and straight men - just like gay men.

As for trans straight males, ie, transbians, I'm yet to see one study about them. I'd be thankful if you had something which you could send me, but I'm pretty sure the utter certainty which which you frame your arguments has little to do with being acquainted with the science of the subject and more to do with dogmatism.

by Anonymousreply 181July 17, 2015 3:18 PM

If that's a quote R180, it sounds like Suzi gets off on seducing 'straight' guys to have gay sex. And he uses a cartoonish, ultra feminine drag act to do it.

by Anonymousreply 182July 17, 2015 3:37 PM

[quote][R171] = Misandrist lezzie.

Exactly, and one who I'm sure uses many devices herself in her relationship (assuming she has one of course). Strap on? Check. Vibrator? Check ....

by Anonymousreply 183July 17, 2015 4:10 PM

this is why don't like to talk about this topic because it leads to misandriist females ass holes to come to a gay MALE site to talk thrash. however, let us talk about FTMS and why are they mostly lesbians who think they are men but will never be and are just cheap imitations

by Anonymousreply 184July 17, 2015 6:52 PM

Y'all know I'm right.

by Anonymousreply 185July 17, 2015 7:31 PM

R184, Datalounge takes money from anybody.

It doesn't prevent women from subscribing.

You're wrong...this is not and never has been for men only.

by Anonymousreply 186July 17, 2015 7:36 PM

R184 thinks men should be allowed in the women's room but women should be prohibited from posting on an anonymous message board.

This is the "logic" of the trans community.

by Anonymousreply 187July 17, 2015 7:39 PM

to 187, I don't think men should go there but women on the other hand go to our rest rooms like nothing but cry like bitches if one man came in. Am i trans? Nope. You are such an oblivious person. Why are a huge chunk/ most FTM lesbians with beards? I need to know that. And lesbians like to say were the one envious of women when most of the MTF are straight men

by Anonymousreply 188July 17, 2015 7:53 PM

R184 is the "straight" man poster into tranny porn. Ignore him. He's looking to bitch at anyone.

by Anonymousreply 189July 17, 2015 8:00 PM

R188, I don't know what establishments you frequent, but in my world women avoid men's rooms like the plague.

by Anonymousreply 190July 17, 2015 8:00 PM

If I were a straight guy, I can't imagine what reason I would have for avoiding romance/sex with a tranny who's had the surgery. A pussy is a pussy. Are you really going to be particular as to how she got it?

by Anonymousreply 191July 17, 2015 8:11 PM

hello every one, i just want to say about the person accusing me of starting posts like r189.

I don't describe myself as straight, so i think you should try to be more respectful of me. What I stated is that there are many closet cases out there who call themselves straight because they mess with trannies. I call myself bisexual because I like many things. I just don't restrict myself to a black and white sexuality. I hope I brought something to this conversation

by Anonymousreply 192July 17, 2015 8:36 PM

R191, so if a woman has a cock would you have sex with her? A cock is a cock.

by Anonymousreply 193July 17, 2015 8:42 PM

Another thing to add: that suzi person is a cross dressing gay man because I can tell. You all seen trannies to and at least they go through the effort for getting hormones. Hormones start to change the fat distribution of the body and face and like I said in my latter sentence.

I am R192 just so you know

by Anonymousreply 194July 17, 2015 8:48 PM

R193, it's not quite the same. It's my understanding that you can't, at least at this point, really build a fully-functioning penis. So a FtM is essentially a man with a pussy.

I actually know one that I never would've imagined was a transman. I'd probably fuck him, but the lack of a penis would preclude anything long term.

by Anonymousreply 195July 17, 2015 8:49 PM

R181, then your education on sexual dimorphism is woefully lacking. I have included a link with a video, done by an anthropologist who goes over the science of it in his video. Now, I don't want to alarm you, but it's not a short video. I would recommend it to anyone who wants to understand human sexuality, in general, give it a listen. There's even pictures!

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by Anonymousreply 196July 17, 2015 8:56 PM

R196 I won't watch your video - I don't even know how it relates to the question I asked. And seriously, can't make your arguments on your own?

I'm still waiting for the studies showing that transwomen have bio women's brains. Don't have them? So was your assertion that transwomen are just like bio women just pure dogma?

by Anonymousreply 197July 17, 2015 9:14 PM

I don't buy the "men will fuck anything" argument. Any gay men ever slept with a FTM? What would make you attracted to one? With the full vadge too.

by Anonymousreply 198July 17, 2015 9:18 PM

The men will fuck anything troll clearly has an agenda.

by Anonymousreply 199July 17, 2015 9:25 PM

Lesbians have more straight sex than gay men do, so if anyone will fuck anything, it's them.

by Anonymousreply 200July 17, 2015 9:29 PM

R198, some posters on the Buck Angel thread claimed to be gay men who would fuck "him"

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by Anonymousreply 201July 17, 2015 9:34 PM

The dipshit talking about "feminine brains" probably still believes in phrenology, too.

by Anonymousreply 202July 17, 2015 9:39 PM

Oh R197, I feel SO sorry for you. You poor, poor thing.

I understand. Some people really DO prefer to go through Life on autopilot, never challenging their own old and tired thinking and belief systems. I hope your life goes OK for as long as it can, but don't ever, ever be afraid to get the help you may so desperately need. When you look in the mirror just tell that wounded little child in you that things will be OK.

by Anonymousreply 203July 17, 2015 9:44 PM

I'd like the person who keeps going on about "feminine brains" to go into a little more detail. Is he talking about gross structures of the brain, like the overall size or the corpus callosum? Is he talking about something more detailed at the neurological level, or how responses to stimuli show up on imaging scans?

Or is he just repeating memes that trans activists who know shit about neurology tell each other?

by Anonymousreply 204July 17, 2015 9:59 PM

R203 That's quite an exaggerated reaction to my not wanting to watch some video. You don't sound smart - you sound weird.

As for this, "never challenging their own old and tired thinking and belief systems", you can choke on your own feminine dick. The one who's inserted critical thought and science into this debate was me. If I said above that transwomen do not have female brains, it's not because I subscribe to any "tired belief system", it's because I'm acquainted with science that has been produced on the subject showing that they don't. I can present you to the evidence any time - just ask. I know you still have the balls to ask for it. But I'm sure you won't. You'd rather withdraw into your trans activist bubble where autogynephilia has been "refuted", where you're allowed to spout crap about neuroanatomy without being challenged, and where the only statements that matter are not those supported by science but those that make you look righteous and get reblogs on Tumblr.

by Anonymousreply 205July 17, 2015 10:13 PM

I can see the appeal of buck angel in that excessively masculine demeanor that turns on some gay guys... but at the end of the day, he has a vagina...so to me, that's not gonna be very fun. But, maybe it is appealing to some. I'd guess those types might not be the full kinsey "exclusively homosexual" (i forgot if it's a 5 or 6) so I guess I can understand that *some* small minority of gay men would fuck him in... his vagina.

Then, if you extrapolate that to straight guys who make up a larger % of the population, I suppose that is your percentage of men who want to fuck tranny MTFs....they're not totally straight and they like the excessive feminity perhaps... I don't really know. It wouldn't ever work for me in reverse. I like dick too much.

by Anonymousreply 206July 17, 2015 10:14 PM

There's a 20-year-old study that says so, R205. The WSJ summed it up as:

[quote]The results show that when individuals of Sex A—despite having the chromosomes, gonads and sex hormones of that sex—insist that they're really Sex B, the gender-affected parts of the brain typically more closely resemble what's usually seen with Sex B.

But the science doesn't seem to be there. A few years ago, someone in Spain "discovered" that FTMs had "white matter where it usually is in males" and something similar in MTFs. That doesn't mean much, especially when the guy leading the research says “Their brains are not completely masculinised and not completely feminised, but they still feel female.” A brain can't be "masculinised." Brains don't work that way. I would hope that was an error in translation but it's a little concerning to see a scientist talk that way.

A study by J.-N. Zhou, M.A. Hofman, L.J. Gooren and D.F. Swaab was the closest to proving a "trans brain" or whatever, by noting that there are differences in the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis between trans persons and non-trans persons, but that doesn't really mean anything, either, not on its own.

The brain thing seems to be part of the rhetoric more than scientific fact. From that "What Makes a Woman" article on the NYT we talked about here a few weeks ago:

[quote]“You can’t pick up a brain and say ‘that’s a girl’s brain’ or ‘that’s a boy’s brain,’ ” Gina Rippon, a neuroscientist at Britain’s Aston University, told The Telegraph last year. The differences between male and female brains are caused by the “drip, drip, drip” of the gendered environment, she said.

[quote]Many women I know, of all ages and races, speak privately about how insulting we find the language trans activists use to explain themselves. After Mr. Jenner talked about his brain, one friend called it an outrage and asked in exasperation, “Is he saying that he’s bad at math, weeps during bad movies and is hard-wired for empathy?”

It's possible there's something in the structure of the brain that correlates with transgender, but if there is, we haven't found it yet, not definitively.

by Anonymousreply 207July 17, 2015 10:25 PM

R192 "so i think you should try to be more respectful of me. " Oh my aching sides. Are you new here? You must be new.

by Anonymousreply 208July 17, 2015 10:57 PM

[quote]you can choke on your own feminine dick

Ha ha ha ha -- lol

I love you r205.

These trannies are absurd. They really think women have penises. Assholes.

by Anonymousreply 209July 17, 2015 11:01 PM

Check out this video. The trans "gurls" are just deluded drag queens. And the "straight" guys who are into them are tragic closet cases (one of them even kind of admits to it towards the end). Gender nonconforming 9-year-olds are being put on irreversible hormone blockers that make infertile for life because of the Trans delusion. It's impossible for anybody to be born in the wrong body.

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by Anonymousreply 210July 17, 2015 11:09 PM

What r210 said. This is insanity.

by Anonymousreply 211July 17, 2015 11:11 PM

"It's possible there's something in the structure of the brain that correlates with transgender"

I've always thought that's possible, because it would be an explanation for people who insist that they're the opposite sex from the moment they discover that there are two biological sexes. I know some people like to dismiss them as the victims of bad parenting, but it's possible that there's something in the brain that says "I am male" or "I am female", and if it exists then it can get things wrong.

Obviously that's not only a totally unsupported theory, it doesn't explain the behavior of many transpeople, including anyone who figures things out as an adult.

by Anonymousreply 212July 17, 2015 11:20 PM

My mom was physically handicapped -- she spent a year of her childhood in a hospital bed, paralyzed from the neck down.

She never once stated that she was "born in the wrong body."

She didn't worry about her fucking appearance, either.

She got a master's degree and started my city's domestic violence shelter in the 1970s.

She was very proud to be a woman. She loved women and children. She celebrated sisterhood.

And these trannies hate her. They want to silence women, and invade their private spaces. And accuse anyone who states the fact that bio sex cannot be changed of "hate speech."

by Anonymousreply 213July 17, 2015 11:29 PM

[quote]Trans pussy doesn't smell like fish. That's why!

Maybe not, but apparently it's much, much worse. Siobhan on the Howard Stern show (video is graphic, you have been warned):

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by Anonymousreply 214July 17, 2015 11:34 PM

"would fuck him in... his vagina."

ROFLMAO!!

by Anonymousreply 215July 18, 2015 3:00 AM

Please, why do transsexuals always have to bring down biological women?

by Anonymousreply 216July 18, 2015 3:09 AM

R216 Because they are misogynistic males who feel superior to bio females. But really, Candis's face....well, let's just say she has a rather masculine jaw there that the hair bows can't hide.

by Anonymousreply 217July 18, 2015 3:19 AM

They DON'T. Discovering that a woman they've just gotten off with is actually trans is one of a straight guy's worst fears.

by Anonymousreply 218July 18, 2015 3:30 AM

This Chinese guy in Italy has been getting incredibly muscular/masculine Italian men to cum in his butt for years as he dresses up as a slut.

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by Anonymousreply 219July 18, 2015 3:34 AM

Straight men love truck drivers with wigs.

by Anonymousreply 220July 18, 2015 4:15 AM

Wow - where were all those guys when I was in Italy?? It really didn't seem like a muscle-obsessed society...wow they are pretty fucking hot. And fucking a tranny... wow...I can't even...

by Anonymousreply 221July 18, 2015 4:25 AM

They aren't straight. They are bisexual, whether they want to admit it or not.

by Anonymousreply 222July 18, 2015 7:17 AM

to the poster(s) who claim that the operation can built a 'fully functioning pussy' - no, it can't. The trans pussy is a whole with some nerve endings made from penisskin, it has to be cleaned regularly so it doesn't rot or close up. A real pussy is a very complex organ, self-cleaning, g-spot, clitoris that is actually really big on the inside, ability to moist itself, ability to ejaculate etc. etc.. The transpussy is just a hole for the penis. One of the major agendas of feminism was/is to make woman realize the potential of the genitals and not just view them with patriarchal 'just a hole for the penis' attitude. That's why the claim by those transwomen, that their new organ is the same is so incredibly sexist and misogynist. Transagenda = heteronormative rollback, anti-feminist.

by Anonymousreply 223July 18, 2015 10:24 AM

hole not whole. damn auto-correct.

by Anonymousreply 224July 18, 2015 10:25 AM

R223 I hadn't thought about that aspect of it before. Very insightful.

by Anonymousreply 225July 18, 2015 12:19 PM

r223 thinking: penis is patriarch

by Anonymousreply 226July 18, 2015 12:27 PM

r223, additionally you'd expect that the feel of a real pussy is very different from a trans pussy, because real vaginal canals are lined with muscle tissue and elastic mucous folds so it can expand and push a baby through the body. All that muscle can be toned through kegel exercises and be used to pleasurable effect on a penis, whereas a trans pussy wouldn't have those kinds of attributes, right?

Clearly I'm not that well versed in female anatomy but as a bi male I can say real pussy feels amazing and I have no interest in trans pussy.

by Anonymousreply 227July 18, 2015 1:11 PM

That's a good question, r227. I'm interested to hear from someone that's had sex with a MTF that has undergone the penis to pussy surgery. (Or whatever the PC way is to say that).

by Anonymousreply 228July 20, 2015 1:01 AM

R223 is that "the pussy is self-cleaning and smells like freshly baked bread" troll.

There's no such thing as a G-spot.

by Anonymousreply 229July 20, 2015 12:15 PM

The trans pussy is obviously superior, since it's basically an inverted penis. Penises have orgasms; vaginas do not.

by Anonymousreply 230July 20, 2015 12:23 PM

you're sweet

by Anonymousreply 231July 20, 2015 3:55 PM

You really are a moron, R230.

by Anonymousreply 232July 20, 2015 4:04 PM

If you watch the clip I posted at R214, one of the guys feels Siobhan's trans pussy and describes it in detail. He compares it to sticking your hand in a muddy crawfish hole.

by Anonymousreply 233July 20, 2015 4:35 PM

How am I a moron? Because I say what everyone else already knows?

by Anonymousreply 234July 20, 2015 4:59 PM

R233, and that differs from sticking your hand in a "real" vagina how?

by Anonymousreply 235July 20, 2015 5:00 PM

R234 Now I know you are just fucking with us. You really can't be this dumb. I doubt you have any experience with a real person. No one is that desperate to fuck a jackass like you.

by Anonymousreply 236July 20, 2015 5:13 PM

Why? Because I refuse to accept your female propaganda?

by Anonymousreply 237July 21, 2015 7:30 PM

Female propaganda r237? Women don't have orgasms? Are you fucking insane?

Why am I even asking, of course you're insane. You're a man who thinks he's a woman and thinks a surgically created skin pocket is superior to a natural cunt.

by Anonymousreply 238July 21, 2015 9:17 PM

I do not think I'm a woman. I'm very glad not to be.

Look, the myth of the female orgasm is going to have to be addressed sooner or later in a serious way.

Equality is fine, but the pretense that women have been having orgasms just because they become hysterical during sexual activity or because they feel nice has got to stop. Women do not know what an orgasm is, they don't have them, and they can't have them. They have a fleshy hole that gets wet to facilitate a man's penis so that IT can have an orgasm.

It's pure copy-catting in the name of "being like a man." Every straight man I know has shared how revolted they are by the dramatics, unfeminine and phony rutting, the nasty squealing they have to endure. And the silly girls who believe the myth blame the man for "not doing it right." Oh, it takes a woman longer. Yes, an eternity. Because it's not possible.

And then, finally, women being what they are, their tendency towards herd-like behaviors kicks in and "Of course I have orgasms." It's classic, old-fashioned hysteria, which the APA has unforgivably downplayed but which still is the major mental disorder afflicting females. So they shriek and piddle themselves. And the poor man, simply trying to get some sleep after accomplishing what nature actually intended, must go along with the fantasy or be abused systematically by the growing cabal of anti-male female psychotics running disrupting the natural order of our culture, for those men not lucky enough to have been spared the heterosexual orientation.

It's so sad. Why can't they just enjoy the pleasant sensations of having a man's penis in them and his interest in their bodies maintained long enough for his REAL orgasm to occur?

by Anonymousreply 239July 21, 2015 9:28 PM

Women hating men want to be women.

They want to be what they hate.

I'm not sure why...they want to hate themselves? That doesn't make sense.

Maybe they want to take womanhood away from women. Maybe that's how to truly destroy what you hate.

by Anonymousreply 240July 21, 2015 10:09 PM

Is it jealousy?

Womb envy?

by Anonymousreply 241July 21, 2015 10:11 PM

Sometimes the "F&F" button doesn't seem like enough. For certain posters, like the loon at R239, you want a "Back away slowly while trying to dial 911 in your pocket" button.

by Anonymousreply 242July 21, 2015 10:29 PM

R242 you're a genius. That is EXACTLY what is needed for some of the looney tunes infesting DL. W&W for r242 and champagne for Lulu!

by Anonymousreply 243July 21, 2015 11:13 PM

[quote]what nature actually intended

Lol.

This thread is about transgenderism -- the exact opposite of "what nature actually intended".

Proceed, sir. Do go on. The world needs to know what you're really all about.

by Anonymousreply 244July 21, 2015 11:40 PM

When I was a wee toddler dyke, I wanted to play with all of the robots, cars, Legos and construction toys that my brothers had and didn't give a shit about the Barbies, baby dolls and dress up clothes my mother was obsessed with buying me. I liked wearing the same clothes as them because they were more comfortable than the dresses and shiny shoes girls wore. I didn't like long hair because it got in my way of climbing trees and playing the fun things the boys did. When I was told "Those toys are for *boys*" I had a few moments of "I want to be a boy, then!" too.

I think that when a lot of these very small children declare they want to be the opposite gender, that's what they sometimes mean: they want access to the things that they've been told they don't have access to. They don't understand what it "means" or "feels like" to be another gender or why their gender does or does not get access to things . They only know that the gender they are keeps them from getting their immediate wants and needs met, and that everyone they know is in agreement of this limitation. So in their naivete, they deduce that the way to get what they want or what makes them feel safe or happy is to change their gender.

I am not saying that this is true of all trans people. But there is no doubt in my mind that if we as a society allowed little boys to wear nail polish and pink dresses and play with dolls, and let little girls play football and have short hair, there would be a lot fewer transgender kids running around right now.

by Anonymousreply 245July 22, 2015 1:03 AM

You're my twin, r245. I was the same way as a kid. Grew up with all boys and HATED (still dislike) anything "girly". I found it stupid, impractical, and a physical hinderance.

I identified as a "boy" because it was what I liked, what I knew and what I understood.

Maybe there will come a day when that is ok with parents and they won't feel the need to "gender identify" and pigeon hole their child into a set of gender behaviors.

by Anonymousreply 246July 22, 2015 2:00 AM

If [239] has to watch footage showing female ejaculation, will his head explode?

by Anonymousreply 247July 22, 2015 8:31 AM

It's not "female ejaculation." As I said, they get hysterical and piddle themselves.

by Anonymousreply 248July 22, 2015 9:55 AM

R247 Hopefully

by Anonymousreply 249July 22, 2015 7:00 PM

this convincing tranny says most straight would fuck a tranny

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by Anonymousreply 250July 23, 2015 4:17 PM

R245 gets it.

What would equal being transgender if these aspects were part of our culture?

-clothing is gender neutral. Men and women wear dresses or codpieces -hair is not gender determined or gender betraying -names are gender neutral -facial hair is not limited to one gender

And so on. What then would trans be? Feeling that genitals are the wrong ones? Or knowing that genitals are wrong?

by Anonymousreply 251July 23, 2015 4:34 PM

"Why do fetshists love other fetishists?"

by Anonymousreply 252July 23, 2015 4:54 PM

Why is the transwoman in r250 trolling women?

She says that women are threatened by transwomen, and that, "the truth is, in my opinion, men like transsexual women."

And he has some ugly tats and clown red hair.

What did women do to him? Why does he have to defend himself when nobody has accused or attacked him?

He's insecure...he acts like a cunt because he has cunt envy.

by Anonymousreply 253July 23, 2015 8:14 PM

R250 says that all men are liars. He's a man hater...and a woman hater.

Period. Which she doesn't have.

by Anonymousreply 254July 23, 2015 8:18 PM

Not surprised the straight douche into tranny porn, aka R250, is still infesting this thread. What a nutcase.

by Anonymousreply 255July 23, 2015 8:29 PM

I watched a social experiment video on yt a trans woman was chatting with strangers on Chatroulette to see if they'll still talk to her if they knew she was trans and a guy said he suspected she was trans because she's too beautiful and that all trans women look like that. I guess it's because some have plastic surgery and most do their makeup and hair better than usual woman

by Anonymousreply 256July 23, 2015 8:41 PM

[quote]I guess it's because some have plastic surgery and most do their makeup and hair better than usual woman

You would, r256.

by Anonymousreply 257July 23, 2015 8:44 PM

Spending 4 hours a day in a fog of wig setting spray, applying foundation with a trowel, Ronald McDonald red lipstick, hooker heels and more underpinning than the leaning tower of Pisa doesn't mean they do their hair and make up better than women r256, just that the fetishists who like the tranny hooker look like that look.

by Anonymousreply 258July 23, 2015 8:50 PM

Knowing that a hot chick produces sperm is a boner killer.

by Anonymousreply 259July 23, 2015 8:53 PM

I think most straight guys hook up with TS women because they are pretty much guaranteed anal.

by Anonymousreply 260July 23, 2015 9:11 PM

R258 I've never seen a trans woman in real life I only see the ones on YT and those girls are gorgeous and they all had plastic surgery + started out as makeup tutorial gays

by Anonymousreply 261July 23, 2015 9:27 PM

R261, trust me: "she" don't look like that first thing in the morning. They work hours to look good.

You know what Judge Judy says....beauty fades, dumb is forever.

One day your hot trannies will be old grannies. It's inevitable.

by Anonymousreply 262July 23, 2015 9:31 PM

Michael Bailey, the trans movement's bête noire, also commented that many gay male (but not autogynephilic) MTFs seemed better looking than the average woman. He admitted to being attracted to some of the MTFs he interviewed and commented that he had one of his (straight, he assured us) students tell him he'd have no problem having sex with one particular interviewee. He never gave an explanation for that (the attractiveness thing). He paints the gay male MTFs as being such poor losers, that I'm not sure they would be able to afford plastic surgery.

by Anonymousreply 263July 23, 2015 9:33 PM

That's his opinion, r263, and he clearly has issues.

by Anonymousreply 264July 23, 2015 9:35 PM

Are you referring to the transwoman named Gigi Gorgeous r261? I never heard of her until I somehow stumbled upon her transition video on Youtube about 2 weeks ago. It was recommended so I probably watched one of the linked videos about trans that was posted on DL.

by Anonymousreply 265July 23, 2015 9:45 PM

This is Gigi in case any of you are curious.

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by Anonymousreply 266July 23, 2015 9:50 PM

R265 yeah Gigi and this girl, this is the vid where the guy said she looked too good not to be trans.

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by Anonymousreply 267July 23, 2015 9:51 PM

Repulsive tranny trash. I like how the author outs himself and shows only reason he wants to become a "woman" is to have sex with these " unattainable" "straight" men.

by Anonymousreply 268July 23, 2015 9:54 PM

A lot of Thai ladyboys are gorgeous and could easily pass. American trannies are another story.

by Anonymousreply 269July 23, 2015 9:54 PM

R261 you do understand, I hope, that every person's idea of beauty is subjective? I find natural looking women to be far more attractive than the overly made up, fake everything look.

I have met several MTFs "in real life", same as anyone who's spent any time in a gay bar and I will guarantee that very few of them are passably pretty never mind glamorous. Most look like a man in a PVC mini and hooker heels. Real women don't spend several hours applying several layers of makeup, styling wigs, forcing themselves into fetishistic body-contorting undergarments, garter belts etc. That particular look, the porn star look, isn't to my mind in any way beautiful.

If I was sexually attracted to MTFs that's what I would think is pretty. I'm not so I don't. You see how this works? They don't look like women, they look like a fetishized idea of what that man is attracted to so he emulates the look he thinks is sexy.

by Anonymousreply 270July 23, 2015 10:25 PM

Lol at the tranny in R267's video. It looks like a real vagina. Bitch please.

I watched the Howard Stern video in this thread. It was graphic like the poster said. Those reactions from straight men were more believable. And FYI the Trans woman showed off her new vagina. Looks nothing like a real one. Sorry.

by Anonymousreply 271July 23, 2015 10:25 PM

1 word: Exoticism. Straight men assume they will do all of the freaky shit their girlfriends won't do. Plus, they get to live out just a little bit of sexual exploration outside of the man/woman norm, and can generally claim plausible deniability if they get caught.

by Anonymousreply 272July 23, 2015 10:51 PM

the video at r267 proved that many of these men would do a tranny, but would they date one openly?

by Anonymousreply 273July 23, 2015 11:57 PM

I think a drunk and horny guy would do it, but it would be more of a masturbatory aid than a mutually fulfilling sexual encounter. A drunk might fuck a trans if he's horny enough but he's not going to be proud of it and he dates real women who won't have to be kept in the shadow, literally, to hide them.

I think it's a sad and lonely world for MTFs in reality. I agree with whoever it upthread that said we should be teaching children it's OK to be a girly boy or a tomboy girl, it's OK to be gay, not OK to butcher your body with all of the psychological damage that brings.

by Anonymousreply 274July 24, 2015 10:48 AM

"A drunk might fuck a trans if he's horny enough but he's not going to be proud of it and he dates real women who won't have to be kept in the shadow, literally, to hide them."

Miss Suzi criticizes straight women for not trying as hard to please men as he does, and it's true that most bio women don't dress like porn stars, beg to serve sexually, or continually feed men's egos... precisely because they don't want to be the slut he'll keep in the shadows because he's not proud to be with her.

No, bio women want a two-way relationship, they want to please their man and they want their man to please them in return. If Miss Suzi can live without that then fine, it's her life, but don't knock others who want more.

by Anonymousreply 275July 24, 2015 10:58 AM

r275

you do know that is a cross dresser not on hormones and looks like he never done any surgery.

just a gay male cross dresser who gets a kick and noney out of this

not really a tranny

by Anonymousreply 276July 24, 2015 4:09 PM

I think some MTFs who like men are angry a women, because straight men don't want to get married to MTFs. A lot of these MTFs sound like stereotypical slutty other women. These women are always angry at the wives and girlfriends of the men who are fucking them on the side. These real women always claime they are more woman than the wives. They are also angry and distrustful of men, because they are pig magnets. MTFs have the same good enough to fuck, not good enough to marry complex. The difference is bio women can change how they present themselves and how they approach the world and their relationships can improve. MTFs have a harder time, they can't have babies and a lot of men are squicked out by them.

by Anonymousreply 277July 24, 2015 4:48 PM

I wonder if some of you calling transgender people "tranny" makes you feel superior, you know, compensating for the way heterosexual people treat you for being gay...

by Anonymousreply 278July 24, 2015 5:38 PM

R278 up until very recently tranny wasn't considered a slur on par with the N-word. Transvestites and transsexuals used it and weren't offended by it. It was a descriptive word. Also queer used to be a slur. Colored and negro used to be polite and black was a slur. Calling a human it used to be the ultimate insult, now gender queer kids are demanding it.

by Anonymousreply 279July 24, 2015 5:58 PM

Janet Mock calls women "fish." Nuff said

by Anonymousreply 280July 24, 2015 8:02 PM

r280 fish is a gay male slang for female

stop pretening that is what was trannies that made the word up

by Anonymousreply 281July 24, 2015 8:11 PM

Oh fuck off, dumbass at r281.

Fish is worse than tranny but trannies use it all the time.

Fucking hypocrites.

by Anonymousreply 282July 24, 2015 8:13 PM

r282 a lot of gay men use that word too.

don't get angry over the truth and why is that you care all of a sudden for women. The reason why you hate trannies is because people will paint all gay men as women but we know that is not the truth because look where cait jenner is: a straight dude pretending something he is not.

We all know fish a is a gay male slang so get real

by Anonymousreply 283July 24, 2015 8:19 PM

283, there is no such thing as "transgenderism." It's a delusion.

by Anonymousreply 284July 24, 2015 9:07 PM

Good point, r282. I watched the trailer for the new film about trans women called "Tangerine" and they're constantly referring to [real] women as fish. And it's like, OK, why would you expect any forward-thinking person, gay straight male or female to be interested in your movement or your rights or your indie films and why would you expect empathy for your perspective if you're going to refer to 50% of the population as "fish" for fucks sake? The implication of that slang word is that women are not fully dimensional human beings but are merely Cunts and they smell like dead fish.

The more I read and see about the trans movement, the more difficult it becomes for me to maintain respect for them. They hate women and gays and drag queens and yet they keep trying to hitch their wagon to the hard fought advances for gay rights and the feminist movement. Drop the damn T; let them do whatever the hell it is they want to do on their own.

by Anonymousreply 285July 24, 2015 9:52 PM

The answer to this question is so evident. They are women who were born in a man's body, but their psychology is that of women.

Now, what I'm actually intrigued about is heterosexual men who feel attracted to crossdressers. There this prank video on Youtube made by this Chinese guy who poorly dressed as a woman wearing a poor wig and went out in the streets with his friends and some men really like crossdressers. There is this young sailor that when approchqed by this Chinese crossdresser the guy was practically having an erection at the proposition the crossdresser was offering to him.

I find some expressions of heterosexuality quite intriguing.

Look at him getting excited by the crossdresser.

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by Anonymousreply 286July 26, 2015 5:18 AM

"The answer to this question is so evident. They are women who were born in a man's body, but their psychology is that of women."

We've been over this in previous threads; M2Fs may have a female identity, but their attitudes and behaviors are sometimes very much those of men, including men's contempt for women in general.

As to what draws men to M2Fs... sometimes it's a dominance thing. My forays into the odder fields of porn have showed me that some men are turned on my men who have been feminized because of the feeling of dominance it gives them. They see feminization as a form of humiliation and submissiveness, and get a cruel pleasure from being able to force another man into being feminized and penetrated.

by Anonymousreply 287July 26, 2015 5:54 AM

Dream on, Caitlyn........

by Anonymousreply 288July 26, 2015 6:30 AM

r287

You are wrong, in fact it is many times the opposite. The man calls a tranny escort to sometimes fuck his boy pussy and many trannies like to penetrate so everything works fine

you are just a woman that thinks she knows about every thing and thinks she knows what every man thinks of females. Assuming your a female which very likely you are

by Anonymousreply 289July 26, 2015 11:45 AM

[quote]you are just a woman [bold]that thinks she knows about every thing and thinks she knows what every man thinks[/bold] of females.

Lol. That's rich. It ok for men to claim to have a "woman's psychology," even though they only think they know everything about how women think.

They most certainly do not, in truth. It's impossible for man to have a woman's psychology. He just had what his sexist brain tells him is female psychology.

Bruce Jenner thinks he's a woman because he likes to dress up, put on make up and wigs, and carry princess purses. That would be like Rachel Dolezal claiming she's black because she like fried chicken, watermelon and malt liquor.

It's bullshit appropriation and insulting. It's becoming clear to me that transgenderism is downright misogynist.

[quote]Assuming your a female which very likely you are

You obviously only value the opinion of men. Women are second class citizens to you, and if you think men can become women then end of story...women have no right to say otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 290July 26, 2015 3:57 PM

I read, on a conservative forum of all places, that the value of a tranny hooker decreases after she chops it off. The commentator also said the men who go after trannies identify straight, in general.

As you can see in the Reddit thread below, things are so bad, some trannies complain about having men messaging them, saying they want to such their dicks, "no homo!"

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by Anonymousreply 291July 28, 2015 11:12 AM

Holy cow, r191...what an interesting read.

The mtfs on that reddit are anti-trans porn because it objectifies transwomen, but have no problem with straight porn that objectifies women:

[quote] Yeah I seriously want to throw that whole section of the store. I've been tempted on multiple occasions!

[quote] I really wish there was more of an outcry against trans porn that's made to cater to a straight male audience. It creates unrealistic expectations not only about body type but how we have sex.

I have never known a woman irl who had the below sentiment. In fact, all of the women I know would be just as repulsed by the below as these transwomen are with tranny porn. But these dudes are high consumers of porn:

[quote] plus I get to help people who are just learning about kink which is always a blast.

Why is it ok for transwomen to state boundaries like below, but not ok for lesbians to state "no trans" on their profiles?

[quote] "I will never ever penetrate you."

[quote] I define whatever I like, and how I like it. If someone has a particular urgency, I am not all that unreasonable. We all have needs, right?

Per below, then what the hell is the "cotton ceiling"?

[quote] Obviously no one ever has to give anyone sex or a relationship for any reason. ...You don't owe anyone anything but yourself.

And women know this:

[quote] Being the primary fantasy of a bunch of fetishists isn't too cool.

And this seems ignorant & delusional:

[quote] A man can suck dick and have sex with other men and that still won't make them gay if theres no attraction.

[quote] many women orgasm from anal

And the below is like how MRAs feel about women:

[quote] they ("chasers") seem to feel that it's somehow my civic duty to "peg" (I've even had a guy try to say it was pegging! That was the only one that shocked me out of my disgust enough to laugh!) all the lonely straight boys out there who like ass play.

And why was nobody triggered by this assertion:

[quote] A penis is an inherently masculine thing. It just is. People don't immediately think of women like me when they hear the word "penis", they picture a man.

From the group that boycotted MichFest for not being inclusive to "women with penises":

[quote] I really wish there was a "Secret club" for us trans folks too. :)

And typical misogyny based on stereotypical sex roles:

[quote] feminine and submissive in the bedroom as possible

In addition to an obsession with porn, these guys have a lot of experience with psychotherapy & meds.

by Anonymousreply 292July 28, 2015 7:19 PM

the bisexual tranny says: I could top a transgirl easily, but just...not a man. My femininity just don't play that way!

the whole topic was about not feeling feminine or womanly fucking a man but could do it to a tranny or woman. Some weird fucked logic

This guy is giving a huge shit storm about the bottom trans attracted queers but he/she prefers women

if he/she prefers women, than why is he/she so concerned about these guys. if that was me i could of cared less about my secondary attraction that is giving this so called issue

trannies are weird!!

Also the tranny was having a bit of an argument with this gay guy who said that he would find a FTM and fuck him in the pussy. Funny!!!

by Anonymousreply 293July 29, 2015 4:04 PM

The 'cotton ceiling' is a bit of tranny lingo, it means 'lesbians who refuse to drop their panties / Hanes briefs for us penised gurls are horrid bullies'.

by Anonymousreply 294July 29, 2015 4:08 PM

Please, nobody tell that "Cotton celiing" term to the MRA crazies, they'd like nothing better than a catchy, vaguely sympathetic term for their inability to get laid.

Come to think of it, the MRA crazies have an awful lot in common with M2F "lesbians", at least their lunatic fringe, starting with feeling entitled to pussy and feeling offended that the pussy is attached to human beings who are allowed to say "no" to them.

by Anonymousreply 295July 29, 2015 7:38 PM

I think r295 hits the nail on the head - MtF's seem to have a huge amount of hatred for women. It's actually quite disturbing how entitled they feel when it comes to forcing their dicks into lesbians. They come across as men who are angry that the women they fetishize don't share their kink. They do nothing positive for equality because they truly don't understand that other people have rights too, including the right to say no.

Drop the T.

by Anonymousreply 296July 29, 2015 11:32 PM

I'd like to clarify that I don't consider chicks with dicks to be transgender women, they're not. They're fetishists. If someone feels themself to be truly female in a male body and then has the whole surgery, not just a pair of bolt-ons, and lives the life of a normal woman then that to me is a woman. Wearing lingerie, hooker heels and a cheap wig while hanging out at truck stops looking for a hookup doesn't make you a woman, you're a man with a fetish. Doesn't matter what you call yourself, if you've got a dick you're no lady.

by Anonymousreply 297July 29, 2015 11:40 PM

Lots of chicks with dicks on OKCupid calling themselves women and identifying as queer looking to hook up with lesbians for dating and casual sex. It's weird that they mention that they love cuddling, yet none of the bio women mention it.

by Anonymousreply 298July 30, 2015 12:16 AM

r298

what the fuck is a bio woman

please don't say bio but just female or woman

by Anonymousreply 299July 30, 2015 8:03 AM

Because transgender women are actually women the same way transgender men are men.

by Anonymousreply 300July 30, 2015 4:11 PM

Transgender women are women, but "cis women" are not. The term "woman" now belongs solely to men who think they are women even though they have testicles full of sperm. They are the "deciders."

No more women's clinics...unless they offer prostate exams.

Men can get free breast implants, but cis women who lose them to cancer cannot.

It's a man's world. "Transwomen" are men, but don't tell them that or they will "send you home in an ambulance."

by Anonymousreply 301July 30, 2015 9:50 PM

Sadly r301 we're so far beyond parody that you're not far off the mark. There have been claims that referring to reproductive issues as women's health issues is transphobic. Because men who wear dresses can't have periods or bear children.

It is becoming an issue that will end in homophobic hate crimes. The average person without intricate knowledge of LGBTQICAMB non binary non conforming non sane terminology will just lump all this mess under 'gay' and we'll all pay the price for their misogynistic lunacy.

by Anonymousreply 302July 30, 2015 11:23 PM

straight men are bigots for not wanting to date and fuck them

and many of these real women and ironically lesbians and bi women are defending the trannies and going against what these men want and need

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by Anonymousreply 303August 1, 2015 6:01 AM

this fairy tail straight man that reps his tranny girl at bodybuilder.com

homopobic but funny as fuck

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by Anonymousreply 304August 1, 2015 6:57 AM

r191 clearly hasn't had or seen or a pussy in a very very long time.

by Anonymousreply 305August 4, 2015 12:21 AM

Bump (In the pantyhose)

by Anonymousreply 306August 4, 2015 12:43 AM

Even the title of this thread is bizarre.

by Anonymousreply 307August 4, 2015 12:53 AM

Agreed r307. Straight men don't love trannies. If they were straight they wouldn't be attracted to a man in lipstick and a fright wig. The title should be why do some men have a tranny fetish.

(Ha! trannies autocorrected to tyrannies - even autocorrect can see exactly what they are!)

by Anonymousreply 308August 4, 2015 1:47 AM

I'm still laughing over the "women don't have orgasms" troll. I worked in a porn store and sold more vibrators than I care to remember, and all of my female friends have them. That kind of delusion and psychosis is breathtaking.

by Anonymousreply 309August 4, 2015 2:05 AM

Just another example of a male "decider" interpreting the world for everyone else.

"Even if you have an orgasm right in front of me, I will declare it unauthentic!"

by Anonymousreply 310August 4, 2015 2:45 AM

I've been going crazy for muscular guys fucking trannies in porn lately. There is just a freeness that there isn't with women. They fuck the trannies harder and it's so hardcore. I'm addicted.

by Anonymousreply 311January 29, 2020 1:31 AM

r11, what about post op?

by Anonymousreply 312January 29, 2020 1:35 AM

What is this fan fiction?

by Anonymousreply 313January 29, 2020 1:39 AM

Message

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by Anonymousreply 314April 24, 2020 1:38 AM

Love? Straight? Snort.

by Anonymousreply 315April 24, 2020 2:06 AM

Cute

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by Anonymousreply 316April 16, 2021 8:14 PM

Gotta see it through my man

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by Anonymousreply 317June 1, 2021 4:42 PM

to quote Dan Savage:

"ALL men love cock, every single one. Just most men prefer only their own cock, and very seldom a man loves cock on his woman. . . ."

by Anonymousreply 318June 1, 2021 4:50 PM

How can a woman have a cock, Dan?

by Anonymousreply 319June 1, 2021 4:54 PM
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