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Not a Fan of Hillary? Consider the Alternative

Progressives are torn over whether they should or shouldn’t support Hillary Clinton, with many saying they would never vote for her, even if she wins the primary. It’s no secret that many of us would rather see Bernie Sanders, or even Joe Biden or Martin O’Malley, take America into the future. But if Hillary does manage to topple her competitors and move on to the final round, we need to remind ourselves what the alternative would be… what America might look like under Republican leadership.

I’m not a big fan of Hillary. Like so many countless other progressive Americans, I don’t believe she’s liberal enough. I see her as a Blue Dog of the old guard, a right-leaning centrist that encourages only the tamest and safest tenants of liberal ideology. She’s only as liberal so far as polling data and populism will allow her to be. And on a personal note, as a huge fan of video games, I’ve always disliked her stance on video game violence and her disrespect for the art form. She’s had ten years to evolve on the subject, but so far, not a peep. But I digress; I’d have been remiss if I didn’t throw that in there.

Hillary Clinton is unappealing to a lot of Americans for a lot of different reasons, but while running the risk of sounding like so many Obama naysayers in 2008, there’s a very good chance that Hillary will end up as our party’s nominee by the time of the Democratic National Convention. If that does happen, those of us who didn’t support her in the primary need to ask ourselves a very important question, and search our souls for the answer: is she better than the alternative?

Close your eyes and imagine this. Well, wait, keep them open, because you need to keep reading, but pretend to close them. It’s January 20th, 2017. The bite of your coffee is helping you overcome the chill in the morning air. You flip on the news, and your heart feels cavernously empty. You let out a sigh — you can see the sorrow in the mist of your breath — as President Obama steps out of Cadillac One. Moments later, another passenger emerges. No, it isn’t Michelle or one of the kids. It’s President-Elect Jeb Bush, or Ben Carson, or… shudder… Donald Trump. In a few minutes, Chief Justice Roberts will swear them in as America’s forty-fifth President.

Within a hundred days, this new Republican president is going to try and gut or entirely repeal Obamacare. They’ll yank every diplomatic option from the table and move the United States closer to the brink of war with Iran. They’ll slash the EPA, bury entitlement programs without so much as a marker stone, set public education back four decades, and double-down on domestic oil, “clean” coal, and hydrofracking, all while eradicating any hint of funding toward alternative energy programs.

Suddenly, Hillary Clinton doesn’t sound so bad, right? Heck, by comparison, she’s almost saintly. You can make a very strong argument for why Hillary isn’t liberal enough. You can vow to not support her in the primaries and even actively work against seeing her elected. But if she does win the primary, however much that would hurt those of us who aren’t behind her, it would be irresponsible, if not flat-out morally reprehensible, for us to not head out to the polls and help her take the White House. Because if we wake up on January 20th, 2017 and a Republican is being sworn in, none of us are going to be getting any sleep for the four years that follow.

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by Anonymousreply 41September 27, 2020 6:00 AM

Id never allow a republican to win an election, no matter who the alternatives would be

by Anonymousreply 1July 10, 2015 12:13 AM

HI CHELSEA!

by Anonymousreply 2July 10, 2015 12:14 AM

How is she unappealing to a lot of Americans? 60% of Americans favor her as President and she's raised the most money of any candidate, (Republican, Democrat, other) in history.

by Anonymousreply 3July 10, 2015 12:29 AM

She has it wrapped up on the Democratic side, and lets face it, the Repugs have no real candidate that even comes close to beating her. What I am interested in is who will be her running mate? Any clues? Bernie? Warren? Biden? Unknown?

by Anonymousreply 4July 10, 2015 12:33 AM

He makes a good point, but he sounds immature holding a grudge against her, because she doesn't hold video games in high esteem.

by Anonymousreply 5July 10, 2015 12:39 AM

R4 - no way Bernie's her running mate. It's too early to say, but if I had to make a prediction today, I'd say Marty O'Muscles.

by Anonymousreply 6July 10, 2015 12:54 AM

Marty has abs, hmm, was not even interested, now i will have to investigate.

by Anonymousreply 7July 10, 2015 1:06 AM

She's just ridiculous and her whole family is disgusting. It's like early dementia setting in. Telling people she was never subpoenaed. She's a fucking lying liar who lies.

by Anonymousreply 8July 10, 2015 1:07 AM

She's better than jeb, , honey bunny

by Anonymousreply 9July 10, 2015 1:09 AM

Not by much.

by Anonymousreply 10July 10, 2015 1:16 AM

The whole Bernie Sanders scenario needs to stop. It's embarrassing to go on places on Democratic Underground now. Any sense of logic and reason has gone out the window. A hundred new threads each day of "Isn't Bernie great" with fifty K and R's. have taken it's place. No real discussion of the key issues. No answers as to how he actually plans to set out doing what he wants to do. Enough already.

He doesn't stand a real chance of getting elected. At least with the Hillary/Obama issue in 2008, you had two politicians who were equally capable of getting into the oval office. Sanders isn't even remotely on the same footing as Clinton. It's as ludicrous as if you tried to put Kucinich or McKinney on the same level as Obama in 2008. I have to laugh every time someone tries to say that Clinton is intimidated by Sanders campaign. Because he came close to beating her in ONE state? Hardly a competition in any sense of the word.

by Anonymousreply 11July 10, 2015 1:20 AM

No alternative...Republicans are NOT winning the election so that's that OP!

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by Anonymousreply 12July 10, 2015 1:26 AM

Ok once I got through that HORRIFIC rant (OUCH OUCH OUCH! AND I MEAN OUCH!), you made some valid points.

Heads up: For all the people supporting Sanders now, half will NOT vote. Or vote Republican. Or vote 3rd party (AKA vote Republican!). They will have NOTHING to complain about when President Koch I mean Scott Walker takes the oath!

by Anonymousreply 13July 10, 2015 1:55 AM

The only way a Repug will win the White House will be if Hillary isn't the nominee and Bernie is. If Bernie gets it, Republicans will win by the largest margin in history.

by Anonymousreply 14July 10, 2015 1:57 AM

[quote]The whole Bernie Sanders scenario needs to stop. It's embarrassing to go on places on Democratic Underground now.

Bernie's supporters are frigging insane, and not because they're for a guy who can't win, but how they treat people who don't support him. The guy keeps going with the pipe dreams when he wouldn't stand a shot in hell in passing any of them. I don't think these people understand how much power the president doesn't have.

by Anonymousreply 15July 10, 2015 1:59 AM

R15 I had an argument with someone on FB, because I said that Bernie's "11 Step Economic Plan" meme (which he had shared) reads more like a wish list (e.g. break up the big banks, reform the tax code and close corporate loopholes). I argued that Bernie cannot make it magically happen without a Democratic/Liberal congress... which he won't have. The Republicans would be as obstructionist toward him as they've been toward Obama. Furthermore, America will never transition to a socialist economic system by one man running for POTUS. These idealists had put too many expectations on Obama and then were disillusioned when he didn't follow through and sat out the mid-terms, which gave us a Republican Congress. I can see them become disenchanted with Bernie and turn against him when he can't fulfill his empty promises. Then they'll go for the next liberal cult figure. Rinse and repeat.

Here's the meme that's being passed around by Bernie supporters:

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by Anonymousreply 16July 10, 2015 2:25 AM

While Bernie Sanders makes very cogent arguments (though I disagree with many of his specific positions), his real value is in expanding the debate and forcing a broader policy discussion.

However, he is not electable. His positions are too extreme for the people in the center - the same people who won't elect any of the extreme candidates (yet, current frontrunners in polls of likely repub voters).

You many not like her or her policies, but if tend more toward Bernie Sanders than Ted Cruz, she is much better than ANY repub candidate.

You want the next president to be a Dem - Ginsburg is 81,Kennedy (78), Breyer (76), Scalia (75).

by Anonymousreply 17July 10, 2015 4:06 AM

I should vote for an over-the-hill, entitled, elitist cunt because OP is too foolish to realize that her off-putting harangue is suitable for the brain-dead.

by Anonymousreply 18July 10, 2015 4:18 AM

Sanders is a Zionist gun nut. I'd rather have Hillary, at least she doesn't pretend to be anything but a corporate owned robot. She's even slightly more anti-gun.

by Anonymousreply 19July 10, 2015 4:30 AM

Lincoln Chafee.

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by Anonymousreply 20July 10, 2015 4:31 AM

During her eight years in the Senate 2000-2008, Hillary Clinton was determined to be the 11th most liberal member of the Senate. Neither President Obama nor Joe Biden was in the top 20. I'd say it's time for Democrats to stop listening to uninformed spout these same few things over and over, truth be damned. I'd say as someone who is not new to politics that Hillary Clinton is about as Liberal as one can be, and still get elected POTUS. Wake up.

by Anonymousreply 21July 10, 2015 4:34 AM

[quote]Hillary Clinton was determined to be the 11th most liberal member of the Senate.

I'm such a maroon. I kept wondering what was so special about being the 11th most liberal Senator that she was boiund and determined to be that. After the third reading, I got it

by Anonymousreply 22July 10, 2015 4:39 AM

An alternative to "whoops, I lost the emails I wasn't supposed to be sending on a private server, yet sent a memo lecturing my staff on not doing the very same" Hillary? Not a difficult challenge.

My requirements for earning my vote:

1. You work for us not foreign Communists and illegal aliens. 2. Follow our Constitution and respect the division of powers laid out in it. 3. Do not ignore the laws you don't like, when they impact your pals and pet groups while using The Law as a sword against those you don't like. 4. Don't distort The USA's true legacy domestically and in The World, just to curry favor with bitter inadequates, who just want to see The USA fall because they're jealous losers. We have come through for many people, when they needed it most and we're a good Nation.

by Anonymousreply 23July 10, 2015 4:39 AM

"1. You work for us not foreign Communists and illegal aliens."

Having to appease Israel constantly is as American as apple pie, of course!

by Anonymousreply 24July 10, 2015 4:43 AM

R24 We don't "appease Israel". Israel is an old ally (yes, ally) and a beacon of civilization in a sea of ruthless, evil, barbaric oppression. We share the same good values as Israel. We aren't the kind of stupid apologist who think "social justice" means letting the insane Hamas -- with working towards the genocide of Jews, enshrined in their charter -- kill Israelis because they don't like them.

We think a people who are living on their holy land, that was a Jewish holy land CENTURIES before Islam existed, should have to gently sit there and allow themselves to be attacked because it would please the most extreme people in The World. Jews invent medicine and treat Palestinian soldiers in their hospitals. Muslims find ways to blow-up or shoot people on every continent.

I'll take Israel's word over theirs.

by Anonymousreply 25July 10, 2015 4:49 AM

R25 Don't waste wear/tear on your fingers. Obsessed bigots like R24 neither know nor care about reality. Their ONLY reality is their OBSESSION.

by Anonymousreply 26July 10, 2015 4:52 AM

R26 So true. It's a sad delusion.

by Anonymousreply 27July 10, 2015 4:58 AM

You're supporting land theft and ethnic cleansing by Jewish religious fanatics. Whose charter calls for the destruction of Palestine.

Israel is a parasite. The Israeli lobby makes or breaks your politicians. You salute the Israeli flag before your own. Disgusting.

Next time your cities get attacked don't start asking why. You know why.

by Anonymousreply 28July 10, 2015 5:08 AM

R28 "Ethnic cleansing"? How? Muslims had access to concrete and water from Israel; what did they do with it? Build terrorist tunnels under kibbutzes, where Israeli kids sleep.

You have to love the obscenely narcissistic, Orwellain way Muslims interpret The World. The rest of us don't exist, we are less than human because we have yet to submit to "Allah". They can throw bombs, go on knife rampages, bomb weddings, churches, civilian workplaces, public gatherings, abduct schoolgirls, poison the water at girls' schools, rape, pillage, destroy World Heritage Sites, cause malicious hacking mayhem, bomb trains, behead innocent people, shoot-up cartoonists and newspapers, chocolate shops, hack co-workers apart in "religious protest" but the second they throw rockets at Israel and Israel throws some back...

"Inhumane! Outrage! We are so helpless! They are more powerful, they are supposed to just take our attempts to murder them, with goodwill because they are more powerful! Oppression!! We are being targeted!"

Muslims just assume their lives are worth more than everyone else's because we're just a bunch of infidels. We can rot, for all they care.

by Anonymousreply 29July 10, 2015 5:18 AM

[quote]Next time your cities get attacked don't start asking why. You know why.

Of course we know why. Because for 2,000 years, Jew-hating scum like you having being harrassing, attacking, persecuting, discriminating against and murdering Jews while haranging them with the same message: you no right to live.

by Anonymousreply 30July 10, 2015 5:27 AM

Hillary/Bernie 2016. I'd vote for that ticket.

by Anonymousreply 31July 10, 2015 5:31 AM

R30 Exactly! It's amazing what you guys have put up with and how humanely and graciously you've done it. The World finally got a taste of how evil these people were, over the past decade and a half.

by Anonymousreply 32July 10, 2015 5:44 AM

I want Hillary to win because the freepers hate her soooo much. First a black Prez and then a woman. Their heads will explode.

by Anonymousreply 33July 10, 2015 5:47 AM

R33 Yeah, you're stupid. Not only are you useless as a voter, your'e proud of your uselessness. "who cares who would make the best leader, I want to piss-off 'the freepers'! Tee-hee!"

Well, done. What an accomplishment. Where have all the men gone? We're stuck with moronic betas, forever in a state of arrested development.

by Anonymousreply 34July 10, 2015 5:51 AM

[quote]Hillary/Bernie 2016. I'd vote for that ticket Bernie will not VP so that won't happen!

by Anonymousreply 35July 10, 2015 6:01 AM

Don't forget new Supreme Court appointments. A really important reason to win in 2016 and 2020.

by Anonymousreply 36July 10, 2015 6:30 AM

[quote]safest tenants of liberal ideology.

What kind of "editor" would let that pass?

by Anonymousreply 37July 10, 2015 8:31 AM

I stop listening to the Hillary shills the minute they start disparaging Bernie's supporters. Post ONE example of how "nasty" they are. Bernie is in the race to remind Hillary that she doesn't have the nomination "in the bag" and that she is going to have to grow a pair and defy her corporate overlords when it comes to doing the people's business. Or at least get better at pretending that that is what she's going to do. The OP does a splendid job of spelling out, in plain English, the numerous reasons why many Democrats distrust her or are disenchanted. To say the least. When all is said and done, Sanders supporters like myself, will drag our asses to the polls, hold our noses, and vote for the Democrat. Hillary will have made HISTORY and we will have settled for "business as usual". Until then I am more than happy to continue to support someone who shares my world view and vision for a better country. And you can all fuck off if you don't like it')

by Anonymousreply 38July 10, 2015 9:14 AM

[quote]Within a hundred days, this new Republican president is going to try and gut or entirely repeal Obamacare. They’ll yank every diplomatic option from the table and move the United States closer to the brink of war with Iran. They’ll slash the EPA, bury entitlement programs without so much as a marker stone, set public education back four decades, and double-down on domestic oil, “clean” coal, and hydrofracking, all while eradicating any hint of funding toward alternative energy programs.

Except none of that happened, fearmongering OP.

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