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Transgender vs. Lesbian

This debate between an angry lesbian and a transwoman moderated by a straight fratboy might be right up DL's ally. I kind of agree with the lesbian about how a man will always be a man, but she is so mean about it that I felt sorry for the transwoman.

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by Anonymousreply 59December 24, 2022 6:22 AM

Steven Crowder?

K.

by Anonymousreply 1July 3, 2015 2:28 AM

he's a loser

by Anonymousreply 2July 3, 2015 2:33 AM

I'm no tranny fan, but the dyke lost me 30 seconds in when Crowder stated that you could find her at ConservativeLesbian.com. I can't take anything a Log Cabin Gay has to say seriously.

by Anonymousreply 3July 3, 2015 2:38 AM

Just realized that Steven Crowder was the same piece of shit who went looking for trouble at the union protests in Michigan a few years back. And then had Faux News run the edited footage over & over & over again.

Fuck him & fuck his radio show.

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by Anonymousreply 4July 3, 2015 2:43 AM

well, the typical man hating lesbian went on to say : anyone with testosterone has an urge to dominate and cannot take no for an answer.

when someone starts a tranny topic, most lesbians won't even bother the ftm, ironically most ftm are lesbians, but go after mtf simply because of their hate of men. go to any lesbian site and see what i am talking about. one man posts and the whole topic changes to getting him out and misandry comments. lesbians are a lot less welcoming than gay men.

#facts

by Anonymousreply 5July 23, 2015 10:22 AM

Knowing Crowder, these people were just actors anyway.

by Anonymousreply 6July 23, 2015 10:29 AM

[quote]lesbians are a lot less welcoming than gay men.

You might want to stop and ask yourself why. Especially when it concerns a male putting on a frock and demanding to be accepted as a female. There is a whole dynamic that women experience growing up female in a male agendaed world that males - frocked or not - are unaware/oblivious of.

by Anonymousreply 7July 23, 2015 10:37 AM

r7 but women love going to male places. hypocrites

by Anonymousreply 8July 23, 2015 11:04 AM

R8 Not venues where men-only congregate; public toilets, showers, saunas, gyms, etc. Women are socialized to be wary of men in public, anonymous situations. Men don't receive this social message.

by Anonymousreply 9July 23, 2015 11:16 AM

r9 but a lot of men clubs, which is private, were forced to congregate women by the media and by feminists. there are still many PUBLIC areas that is women only and take a look at the many gay men bars that were either forced to accept women or sued or close. you can't have it all

by Anonymousreply 10July 23, 2015 12:10 PM

as r10 my idead to repel women and this is very effective is to have gay male porn all around and that would horrify most women for sure

by Anonymousreply 11July 23, 2015 12:11 PM

R7 it also probably has to do with overcompensating for the expectation to be nice, demure little doormats, which we usually succumbed to before rejecting that socialization and may go over the top in the other direction. Also, since many other women are still falling over themselves to placate misogynists in an effort to be welcoming and inclusive to the point of cooperating with the "female penis" delusion, the tendency to harsh bluntness and aggressive boundary defense is hardly surprising, if off-putting.

by Anonymousreply 12September 12, 2015 4:06 PM

r5 = the Michfester troll

by Anonymousreply 13September 12, 2015 5:07 PM

Most transgender people are homophobic. They'd rather botch up their bodies than to accept the fact that they're gay. So why again should we just blindly accept them as part of our community? We have completely opposing goals here. We work to be accepted for who we are. We challenge strict societal gender norms on a daily basis. They cowardly give into what they think it means being a woman or a man, decided by society. Heck, some trans people are AGAINST gay marriage and gay rights. So again.. why should we take them in just because they are discriminated against? Many people are discriminated against, that doesn't mean we should open our arms to all of those groups. It's ridiculous. Gender and sexuality are two completely different issues. Gays and trans people have nothing in common. It's time to drop the T once and for all. They're hurting our cause.

by Anonymousreply 14September 12, 2015 5:30 PM

"well, the typical man hating lesbian went on to say : anyone with testosterone has an urge to dominate and cannot take no for an answer. "

And she's exactly right since that's what the crazy trannies with "female penises" are doing, invading women's spaces and taking no for an answer.

by Anonymousreply 15September 12, 2015 6:46 PM

* not taking no for an answer

by Anonymousreply 16September 12, 2015 6:47 PM

I agree, r15. That's an accurate sentence: anyone with testosterone has an urge to dominate. They can't take no for an answer, and instead of dropping the bathroom issue, they dismiss women for not dropping it.

They just expect women to ignore their survival instinct.

by Anonymousreply 17September 12, 2015 6:57 PM

Most people don't hate trannies with the heat of a thousand suns, nor do they bitch about them at the decibel level of a sonic boom. The radical lesbians are losing this argument because they think 'paranoid banshee' is an acceptible conversational language. If they continue behaving this way they will continue to fail. They are almost out of time and may have lost already.

by Anonymousreply 18September 12, 2015 7:30 PM

IDK, r18. A couple hundred high school students recently walked out of school rather than allow a tranny in the girls showers.

by Anonymousreply 19September 12, 2015 7:43 PM

We aren't losing anything, R18. More people seem to be waking up to the bullshit that is the trans ideology. And I don't know why you keep insisting that lesbians are alone in this. 95% of the gay men on this site seem to hate them too.

by Anonymousreply 20September 12, 2015 8:00 PM

Gay men may not be buying into the tranny thing, R20, that's true. We're discussing it in ways that don't attack and vilify all men. We also don't believe that seeing a cock is a fate worse than death.

You are definitely losing the argument. The trannies grow stronger the more you frame your point of view in hateful terms. When you go crazy and lash out at every man on the planet, you lose the argument. People are not coming around to your way of seeing this. They are coming around to Caitlyn's.

by Anonymousreply 21September 12, 2015 8:30 PM

I don't hate trannies. I think they should be allowed dress as they like, people should respect the pronouns they wish to use. They should not face discrimination or violence - be it in work, housing or in life.

But I don't regard them as women. A man who feels he was born in the wrong body is exactly that - a MAN who thinks he was born in the wrong body. He has no right to redefine what being a woman is and expect everyone to agree to his delusion.

by Anonymousreply 22September 12, 2015 8:31 PM

R22 is the sanest person in this thread so far.

I'm convinced the Iranian government is behind all this pro-trans, anti-gay propaganda to some extent. They're not necessarily the ones pulling the strings, but they do have a dog in this fight.

by Anonymousreply 23September 12, 2015 8:54 PM

[quote]We also don't believe that seeing a cock is a fate worse than death.

So you're ok with girls seeing cock in the bathroom? Tweens, teens, and toddlers...as well as grandmothers, lesbians and rape survivors...should be ok with seeing penis in the loo?

Then they just proves how different men are from women. No woman on earth wants their daughter or grandmother exposed to cock in public. Women get that. Men clearly do not.

But men don't get to decide what is ok for women. Only women have the right to let men in their bathrooms. And women decidedly do not. So drop the bathroom, locker room, shower, prison housing bullshit.

Only women should be allowed to make decisions that affect only women. Just like with abortion. It's none of men's business. If women don't want cock in their private spaces, then there should be no cock on women's private spaces. End of story.

by Anonymousreply 24September 12, 2015 11:18 PM

R22 Said it perfectly, although their politics are giving me major aversion to them lately I have met perfectly fine Trans people who weren't so militant as well.

My issue with the Tarnies is mostly their politics they are a very "YOU'RE EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US" Kinda of breed. They wont accept someone like me who respects their right to Identity but doesn't conform to all of their ideals. If you don't go along with their elaborate rouse you are labelled a bigot.

They also demand that tax payers foot the bill for their mutilation. In essence I have no issue with transgenderism but if they don't cut the bullshit politics I will seriously start to resent them.

by Anonymousreply 25September 13, 2015 6:12 AM

Hmm... so you're foursquare against "redefining what a 'woman' is" and how do you feel about "redefining what marriage is?"

You come across as a little Frothy Santorum & Friends sometimes with the OtT rhetoric. I know you don't mean to be that rigid and hateful towards others, it just seems that way on the surface.

You don't like trannies and feel threatened by them, we heard you the first thousand times. But they exist and not only are they not going away, they are gaining more acceptance every day. There has to be a better, and more reasonable way to come to grips with this reality.

by Anonymousreply 26September 13, 2015 9:07 PM

I think most people in here don't dislike Trans people inherently, we just hate their new movement.

It's people like you who assume that just because you don't agree with all of their nonsense that automatically means you wish bad things on them. YOU create the hate that way.

by Anonymousreply 27September 13, 2015 9:19 PM

hm. Is r26 challenging us to a dance off?

Yet again, the trans cult conflates their gay critics with the far right.

Marriage is man-made. Womanhood is not. There are not the same, so your comparison is invalid.

Transwomen are men who THINK they are women. They are in no way, shape or form women. Most don't event know or care who sojourner truth is. (Nice how my iPad auto capitalizes Apple but not sojourner truth. Ah, it's a man's corporate world.)

So we now have men telling women that they are women. It's the same as peeing on Judge Judy's leg and telling her it's raining.

Check out the "What Makes a Woman?" thread here on DL. Just today a post was added about a transwoman arrested for producing and distributing child porn. I'm sure the MRAs want the trannie counted as a Woman. Then they can say women offend at the same rate as men! And they would therefore succeed in distorting reality. To what gain? Allowing them more access to offend such as sharing high school showers and prisons.

MTFs are sickos. Any man who thinks he's a woman is insane, and should not be allowed in women's spaces.

by Anonymousreply 28September 13, 2015 9:30 PM

Calling them sickos and insane is only going to fuel this militant new trans movement. I think you did an excellent job of debunking their claims, no need to go towards insults. It makes their false bigotry claims have some validity.

by Anonymousreply 29September 13, 2015 9:40 PM

R29 I stand by my opinion that they are sickos. One fed me coke and tried to get me gang raped in the 90s.

by Anonymousreply 30September 13, 2015 11:24 PM

"One"

by Anonymousreply 31September 13, 2015 11:29 PM

R31, out of all the non trans women I've ever known in my life, and we're talking thousands -- none have ever tried to do what that ONE mtf did.

Lots and lots of men have, though. So this ONE tranny behaved like the typical man he is.

And ONE attempted gang rape is ONE too many. I don't expect a perv sympathizer like yourself to get that.

by Anonymousreply 32September 13, 2015 11:34 PM

R32 You sure you aren't a tranny? Quick to start defaming anyone who doesn't agree with you 100%.

Maybe you and the Trans community have more in common than not.

by Anonymousreply 33September 13, 2015 11:39 PM

r32, I'm genuinely sorry you were raped. That sounds absolutely horrible. I cannot even imagine what that was like.

Even so, that still doesn't give you the right to discriminate against an entire class of people, or call people shitty names. You don't get the right to act like an asshole for the rest of your life because you were once raped.

by Anonymousreply 34September 13, 2015 11:47 PM

Thank you, r34. I appreciate your apology.

Please do me a favor and read the thread that I linked below. It's lists more than sixty transwomen who have raped, assaulted, and murdered other people - including children.

MTFs are just as likely as men to commit crimes.

90% of all homicides are committed by men.

Transwomen are men.

It's impossible to change your biological sex. You cannot change your DNA. A "Y" chromosome will never be an "X" chromosome and vice versa.

No man can ever possibly know how it feels to be a woman. No man will ever have a girl childhood. No man will ever menstruate, get pregnant or give birth.

You can surgically alter your appearance, but it is just an illusion. We all see through it eventually. Dressing like a woman does not make you a woman. Nor does cutting off your dick. It just makes you a dickless man in a free and I'll say what should be obvious: anyone who elects to mutilate their own genitals is sick.

There I said it. Transgenderism is a mental illness.

I don't care if you disagree. I just hope some curious kid or loved one of a curious kid reads this before more people get hurt by the lie that is "transgenderism."

by Anonymousreply 35September 14, 2015 12:06 AM

Oops -- here is the linked throws.

Again, thank you for your apology. Enjoy reading about the crimes committed by more than 60 men who think they are women.

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by Anonymousreply 36September 14, 2015 12:08 AM

So by that logic you are afraid of all men? You are a mess who seems to be dealing with a little "Mental illness" of your own.

by Anonymousreply 37September 14, 2015 12:08 AM

Where did I say I was afraid of all men?

Just the ones who try to get into women spaces. Yes, they are scary. Please read the list of the crimes they have committed before engaging me further. It's only fair that you explore my POV.

Any man who thinks he's a woman is crazy. I do not want crazy men in women's restrooms. It's called "survival instinct," and it has evolved over millennia. I'm not ignoring it just because you want me to.

by Anonymousreply 38September 14, 2015 12:11 AM

"MTFs are just as likely as men to commit crimes"

You are afraid of men and you have deep seeded issues that shine even through anonymity. Get help hun.

by Anonymousreply 39September 14, 2015 12:14 AM

*****well, the typical man hating lesbian went on to say : anyone with testosterone has an urge to dominate and cannot take no for an answer. ******

You mean any straight man with testosterone has the urge to dominate (women as it applies to you) I have no interest in women ok i'm a gay man. Gay men don't give a shit about dominating women. I don't give a shit about any thing to do with women.

Yes straight men try to dominate and control(women)MRAs are like how can we dominate and control women again like we did in the 1950's. Feminists are like get these fucking men away from me. Oh and another thing sweetie males can be raped ,ever hear of the Catholic priests? Jerry Sandusky?

When I was a skinny 130lb skinny 15yo twink I had an older man try to rape me. I had to jump out a second story window to avoid him. All people should have a fear of men. What do you think the military is for? Killing foreign invading men. Men buy guns and practice shooting male silhouettes at the shooting range because they want to protect themselves against male (killers,burglars). White males don't like women being afraid of them but white males fear all other races of males. It offends their egos. If I guy asks a women out and she wants to meet in a public place the guy partly agrees that the woman is justified in being cautious but he thinks he should be the exception to the rule. What are you afraid of MEEEEEEE???? My male egooo!

I used to be a very cute boyish skinny twink in my youth so I can kind of relate to women about predatory males. Transwomen have had testosterone coarsing through their veins for 20+ years so they are still men.

by Anonymousreply 40September 14, 2015 12:34 AM

The biggest insult to a straight man is being called a "Creep". Men hate women being cautious of them. That's supposed to be their privilege to discriminate and reject people not women's. Women are supposed to be public property and be delighted when any male creep comes around to talk to them. Women are supposed to feel flattered when male strangers sit down next to them on public transportation and strike up conversations even when there are shitloads of empty seats. When walking down the street women are supposed to love when random strange men follow them and try to talk to her and ask for her personal phone number. Women are supposed to *SMILE* for men when they ask them to. Women are supposed to look slim and attractive and wear make up for men how dare those bitches for not trying to be attractive for men.

Transwomen are like those offensive barging oafish men. He is showing his masculinity and balls by being a testicle and barging into female spaces. Transwomen who barge into female bathrooms are being dicks.

by Anonymousreply 41September 14, 2015 12:59 AM

There's a massive difference between a woman being afraid of men in general and being afraid of a man who is in a space intended solely for women. If a woman walks into an elevator and sees that the only person in there is male, it's unlikely she'll feel uncomfortable. But if a woman sees someone who is clearly male in a woman's toilet, she can hardly be blamed for wondering what he's doing there.

Bear in mind that society in general teaches girls from a young age that they should view men as a threat - they should avoid being alone with them, avoid dressing in a way men might find provocative, etc. Then, when women don't want to share their locker rooms with men, people scoff at them and call them hysterical man-haters. Look at the Lila Perry locker room incident - those girls will have heard people say that if a woman wears revealing clothes she's asking to get raped, and then they're told that they have to get undressed in front of someone they've known for years as a boy. And if they object, they get accused of paranoia and bullying.

Strangely enough, even when society was portraying homosexuals as utterly depraved creatures, straight men were never advised to dress modestly to protect themselves. Instead, gay men were shunned and stigmatised. I actually think this might be part of why some homophobes latched onto the "homosexuals prey on children!!!" argument - they were afraid that gay men might be attracted to THEM, but they didn't want to admit to that fear.

by Anonymousreply 42September 14, 2015 1:27 AM

Want to cut off your own finger = Crazy

Want to stab yourself in the arm = Crazy

Want to poke your eyeball out = Crazy

Want to cut your dick off = ?????

Uh huh.

by Anonymousreply 43September 14, 2015 6:14 AM

this brings all the man hating dykes for sure

by Anonymousreply 44September 14, 2015 3:50 PM

LCHAT is the other way around

r44

by Anonymousreply 45September 14, 2015 3:51 PM

and how many real women do we hear of engaging acts with minors..plenty and it is not just a male thing ms. lesbian.

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by Anonymousreply 46September 14, 2015 4:22 PM

What about Masculine Vaginas? should they be allowed in the Guys room??

by Anonymousreply 47September 14, 2015 4:25 PM

Half way into the interview and I find it strange that you all say the Lesbian went overboard with insulting the Transwoman.

You all have said FAR WORSE about Trans people, im confused at the sudden sensitivity?

by Anonymousreply 48September 14, 2015 4:52 PM

R46, for every female child pornogrpaher there are 1000 male child pornographers.

I wouldn't expect a trans supporter to understand logic.

Also, article doesn't say she "engaged" with the child.

by Anonymousreply 49September 14, 2015 7:51 PM

Crowder was kind of chubby then. He's definitely more muscular now.

by Anonymousreply 50March 21, 2021 5:29 AM

Why would you bump up this thread featuring this self-loathing, homophobic piece of shit?

by Anonymousreply 51March 21, 2021 5:33 AM

This is the asshole who kept referring to a gay writer as a faggot over and over again on his "show" claiming it was okay because the writer called himself that in an article once.

by Anonymousreply 52March 21, 2021 12:24 PM

Bump

by Anonymousreply 53October 30, 2021 7:07 PM

Oh, look. Defecto/Dejure has bumped yet another 2015 thread. How boring he is.

by Anonymousreply 54October 30, 2021 8:13 PM

[quote]Heck, some trans people are AGAINST gay marriage and gay rights. So again.. why should we take them in

There's also gays who are against gay marriage and gay rights, R14. So, by your logic, I guess we should KICK ALL GAY MEN out of the LGBT "club," yeah?

Also, we never "took them in" you pea brain - they've always been part of the collective we're in.

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by Anonymousreply 55October 30, 2021 8:43 PM

Oh look R54 is a tattletale Karen cunt.

by Anonymousreply 56October 31, 2021 3:23 AM

Bump

by Anonymousreply 57December 17, 2021 2:31 PM

bump

by Anonymousreply 58October 11, 2022 5:38 AM

bump

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