Who are these morons that believe in "Chemtrails"?

George Bush and the American congress believed in WWD.

Majority of Americans believe in God.

Kids believe in Santa Claus.

Most Americans in general are pretty ignorant when it comes to science. There's a long-standing tendency toward anti-intellectualism in American society. Fundamentalist religion and the "No Child Left Behind" educational system are just making it worse.

What's not to believe?

All you have to do is look up to the sky and you'll see them. Not always, usually the planes just emit a vapor trail that dissipates, but when they are spraying the trails stay and thicken until they cover the whole sky.

I am a believer because I believe my own eyes.

[quote]What's not to believe?

Everything.

[quote]All you have to do is look up to the sky and you'll see them.

No, you see CONTRAILS. The natural result of the warm moist jet exhaust being exposed to the ice-cold high altitude air. It condenses into "clouds". It's just water vapor and jet exhaust.

[quote]Not always, usually the planes just emit a vapor trail that dissipates, but when they are spraying the trails stay and thicken until they cover the whole sky.

There is no fucking "spraying". Jesus. Different atmospheric conditions result in difficult results, from nothing, to ones that smear across the sky (due to high altitude winds).

You're a believer because you're an ignorant gullible fuck-stick who failed basic science and who is really suggestible and can't handle saying "I don't know" or "I don't understand", so you MAKE UP SHIT, or worse, just accept some shit someone else made up as if it were true.

Your eyes aren't a mass spectrometer, R3. What is the reason to believe they are more than water vapor?

Chemtrails are completely different from contrails (condensation vapor trails.)

For one thing chemtrails simply don't evapotate-because they are not condensed water. They linger and expand and eventually fill the sky.

Maybe you're lucky enough to live in a place where spraying programs haven't started. But where I live it happens a lot.

What they're doing no one knows. It may be spreading emerging illness epidemics like Chronic Fatigue Syndrome or Morgellon's, or it may have to do with HAAPR weather control projects...I certainly don't know for sure. But they are very real and right over our heads.

R3, you can also read this:

R3, maybe Itchy Scrotum Syndrome too?!

[quote]Chemtrails are completely different from contrails (condensation vapor trails.)

Yeah, because Chemtrails don't exist anywhere except in your fevered imagination.

[quote]For one thing chemtrails simply don't evapotate-because they are not condensed water. They linger and expand and eventually fill the sky.

You mean ... like CLOUDS?!? *gasp*

You're a fucking gullible idiot, R6. Jesus. What the fuck is wrong with you that you'd believe something so fucking ridiculous that is so easily (and constantly) debunked, and that has ZERO ACTUAL EVIDENCE ANYWHERE, and which doesn't even make economic or logical or physical or scientific sense?!?

Educate yourself. Learn some real fucking science. And stop believing every tin-hat conspiracy theory you read on the web.

Christ.

It must be true, because this guy has a friend whose cousin knows a guy who...

I like chems and happy trails, moi.

Who are these morons who DON'T believe in Chemtrails even though they have been polluting the skies overhead in plain sight for at least sixteen years now?

Commercial flights don't fly in parallel and criss-cross patterns. They don't spray trails that cling to the sky and expand and turn the sky starchy and hazy white, starting at the horizon line.

Any time heavy precipitation is in the forecast, they start spraying the skies heavily a couple days in advance.

I believe in Chemtrails because I have eyeballs in my head. It has been a source of quiet astonishment to me that people don't notice Chemtrails even when the skies above are full of them.

Seriously, R10... how are people so fucking gullible? Why are they so eager to believe, and then utterly COMMIT to, such obviously silly conspiracy theories? No amount of facts, reason, logic, or science will convince them they're wrong the moment they buy into this stupid shit.

Is it a mental illness?

God, I came in contact with someone who truly believed this governmental conspiracy theory and all he did was talk about it and look up at the sky.

It was embarrassing to be with this guy.

Who can look at trails in the sky like these and simply assume that they are caused by normal air traffic?

[quote]Commercial flights don't fly in parallel and criss-cross patterns.

Yeah, actually they do.

[quote]They don't spray trails that cling to the sky and expand and turn the sky starchy and hazy white, starting at the horizon line.

Depending on atmospheric conditions and altitude, that's exactly what can happen.

[quote]Any time heavy precipitation is in the forecast, they start spraying the skies heavily a couple days in advance

Yeah, at altitudes FAR above any rainfall or storms.

[quote] It has been a source of quiet astonishment to me that people don't notice Chemtrails even when the skies above are full of them.

Because they're smarter than you, and actually understand what is going on, and aren't delusional paranoids whose heads are filled with bizarre non-sensical conspiracy theories.

Being human is to believe fucked up lies, r2.

R15. Stop being a gullible stupid moron. Please. It's embarrassing to think you're serious.

R12.Your on to em buddy.That's why the cost of a airline ticket has not gone down along with the cost of jet fuel. Airlines have to pay for all these expensive chemicals they are forced by the government of that negro to shoot out of their planes.Gota jet I hear the black choppers landing on my roof.

R18 is too deeply invested in this thread.

He appears to be a spin-meister doing damage control.

You are entirely unconvincing, R18.

Since when do clouds emerge from the backs of airplanes, appear in an almost precise criss-cross pattern across the sky and (rather than dissipate) linger and swell over the time until they fill the sky in a total thick cloudcover?

I honestly don't understand how there can still be skeptics and deniers when you have to do is look up to see the truth.

I am educated R9. It sure is curious how you and the other skeptics/deniers are so hostile in your efforts to convince everyone to disbelieve what we see with our own eyes.

Who do you work for?

My friend's friend has a cousin who is a pilot in the air force and he has admitted that his job, every day, is to lay down chemtrails. Apparently they are full of heavy metals and mind control drugs, along with ticks that spread Lyme disease and fibromyalgia. They use special unmarked jets to do it.

23 - Brilliant!

I don't know if you're serious or not R23, but where I live there are lots and lots more ticks than there ever before.

Also, Fibromyalgia and Lyme disease (and MS) are epidemic. Myself, I am a Chronic Fatigue Syndrome survivor.

Sometimes I wonder if Plum Island is to blame, sometimes I suspect NutraSweet and sometimes I think maybe it is the chemtrails...the bottom line is no one knows for sure, but they can't be good.

The first step to possibly addressing the problem is to at least acknowledge what is in the sky right over our heads.

Who's behind this? Big Pharma? Industrial Military Complex? Illuminati? The J E W S? Farrakhan's Yakub? The Masons? The Rothschilds? The Koch Brothers?

No one knows for sure R26. All we can be certain of is that it's happening and blanketing the sky (and ultimately the ground below it) with chemicals is a bad thing.

What is the purpose of this grand project?

R22, you clearly don't understand what you "see with your own eyes". You're like flat earthers who insist the world is flat because they stand in a field and it looks flat to them.

Your spewing pure ignorance and making up completely unfounded stories about things you just plain don't understand.

Which I guess makes you a lot like religious people... "I don't know" changes into "Evil government conspiracy" instead of "god did it"...but it's the same sort of thing.

Oh my god, R25, you are really showing how gullible you are if you actually even remotely took that post at R23 seriously.

You need mental help. Medication and therapy. Please see help. ObamaCare covers it.

Google "Operation Cloverleaf" if you don't believe in Chem trails. They are composed of barium and aluminum, designed to reflect sunlight back in an attempt to control global climate change. Like all government projects, it isn't working.

Just to highlight how unbelievably inefficient chemtrails would be as a method of poisoning people, I have done a quick calculation on how much chemicals would be added to the atmosphere every day if every single jet plane on the planet was spraying all of the time (turbprops use Jet A1 too, but for the benefit of the conspirators let’s assume they are all high-level jets). It is based on the daily consumption of Jet A1 fuel (which in 2010 was about 5,220,000 barrels/day) and assuming a very generous chemical contamination of 10% in the fuel. This level would, of course, be too high for the engines to operate, but hey, why let logic get in the way when it comes to the topic of chemtrails.

Overall, the resulting contamination of the atmosphere would be just 0.0000000000000000002844%, or the equivalent of just a half of a teaspoon of water in 4 billion Olympic-size swimming pools!

(rolling eyes at R31)

Chemtrails = Autism

Maybe the Affordable Care Act is related to the Chem Trails. Obama had lots of secret meetings with Big Pharma, and the Illuminati (Jay Z) and his father's old spy contacts in the upper echelons of Islam, about the same time ACA was passed. But I think I s R eal must be involved secretly as well.

yeah - R35 knows what's going on!

R23 may have been pranking but he may have stumbled onto a larger truth.

There is actually are competing theories regarding emerging illness epidemics (Lyme, fibro, Morgellens, CFS) that arial spraying may be spreading them and also that the purpose of the spraying may be to battle them.

As for me I may be overly informed on the topic and perhaps to realistic, but I think it's more likely that the chemtrails are more likely causing disease rather than fighting it.

The concentration isn't high enough to do anything. It's about a billion times less effective than homeopathic medicine at the levels they spray. See my quote from R32.

Fluoride in the water has a physiological effect because the concentration is high enough. Even if they were spraying cyanide gas - it wouldn't affect anything bc it would be diluted significantly by the atmosphere.

How can literally filling the shy with barium, aluminum and strontium have no physiological effect on the people below?

(Also, what do you have against homeopathic medicine?...we might need it to combat the effect of all these chemtrails. Ha Ha.)

I was in a hot tub at Davos with Brian Krzanich and he told us Google is in on it with the governments of the G8. But Prince Talal told me at Bohemian Grove it's the complete opposite, that Google, UBS, and Royal Dutch Shell are in cohoots to wrest final control of the Chemtrail projects from the governments and reap the ultimate rewards. Peak Oil is definitely true and all the big oil corporations are figuring out how to survive for another 100 years.

They're not filling the sky...see R32 link & calculation. It looks larger than it is.

Never heard it it before

The clouds the come out of the backs of the airplanes fill the sky R41. Arial spraying days start with a perfectly clear blue sky and end with total 100% cloud cover. That IS a full sky-a sky full of artificially produced clouds.

I blame the black man in the white house.

Yes Google and Shell were planning to finance it all through Geneve so thats why the US broke Swiss banking secrecy. But Prince Talal said it didn't matter there was a sublayer of secrecy that's still intact. That's the reason Switzerland never joined the E.U. J e w i s h bankers from Vienna and Berlin set the secret banking layer up for Hitler in return for letting their families escape. That's why Germany didn't evade Switzerland. Goebbels descendants are secretly among the richest people in the world now.

We're not tin-hat conspiracy theorists R44. We're just people who are (justifiably) concerned because airplanes are literally creating clouds of something(!) by spraying stuff over our heads.

That doesn't make us creationists or flat-earthers or religious nuts...it just means we're not blind.

I never understood the belief about chemtrails - it looks like regular jet fuel to me. But maybe I have not read everything about it.

The Illuminati and the Rothschilds, who have been working with the Gulf states since 1945, put Obama in power because they knew his father. His father was one of the principal architects of the smuggling routes that get the chemicals out of Africa to Germany, where they are processed for the Chem trails.

So there are some people who are poisoning the whole planet with the intent to kill every human, including themselves? And there's enough of them involved, obviously hundreds of thousands, to have been working at this for several decades?

What is the reason? What is the purpose? Why are so many in on it?

It does not add up.

[quote]may have been pranking but he may have stumbled onto a larger truth.

No, he didn't... you fucking blithering idiot.

[quote]As for me I may be overly informed on the topic and perhaps to realistic

Oh dear. Let me assure you that NEITHER of those is a problem for you.

Yeah, it actually does mean that, R46. You're a fucking moron.

No, the people doing it have antidote pills for them and their families. Everyone thought that there was gold in Tower Seven, and had been stolen right before, but in fact it was the North American supply of Chem trail antidote pills.

Why the hostility R50? Seriously why are you trying to circumvent discussion and inquire with hostility. What is your agenda?

We don't have all the answers, but we know what we see. Go outside, look up and open your eyes. You'll learn something.

So you have to be a conspiracy theorist to wonder why airplanes are spraying things in the sky? What's with all the disinfo?

My agenda is truth, and scientific literacy.

Your agenda is anti-intellectual tin-hat conspiracy and spewing bullshit nonsense you have absolutely no proof of, that you gullibly believe just because you read it on some conspiracy website and you're too stupid to know better.

I have utter contempt for willful stupidity such as yours, especially in the face of ALL THE SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE that you are completely full of shit in your beliefs.

You clearly DON'T know what you see. You see something you don't understand and you make up shit to explain it. Pretty much the exact opposite of science. Utterly divorced from reality. Worse than religion.

You are fucking pathetic and stupid, and we're all laughing at you.

I agree with R53. No one looks up in the sky anymore. You'd be very surprised what you see there. Put down your cell phone for just a minute and look around you.

[quote]So you have to be a conspiracy theorist to wonder why airplanes are spraying things in the sky?

No, you have to be a conspiracy theorist to claim to know that the perfectly normal contrails are actually some grand government cover-up for poisoning lots of people with "chemicals".

You make up shit you have no evidence for... that's not "wondering" that's "fantasy make-believe".

I've already posted this once, and you clearly didn't read it, so I'll post it again in the hope that you or someone else will read it and understand what the fuck a contrail is:

Here's another site you should read:

It amazes me how quickly some people are to believe and fully invest in whatever they read on some random blog or conspiracy site.... and then steadfastly REFUSE to believe anything they read on more reputable sites that easily refutes the nonsense they just bought into.

I don't get that mentality at all.

R57, I was a dreamy kid in the 70s who always gazed up at passing airplanes and watched their trails dissipate. I spent years doing that.

Chemtrails look nothing like the contrails of normal aircraft. I was a lifelong sky-gazer who immediately noticed the difference when I first identified chemtrails by sight in the late 90s.

I am not a conspiracy theorist on the subject. I have no idea who is conspiring or for what purpose. I am just an observer who knows that chemtrails and contrails are two very different things. Anytime you and I were standing side by side and there were planes overhead, I would be happy top point out the obvious difference.

actually some of these photos made me wonder

No one's really laughing R55. We're all just concerned. Some of us are discussing and researching our concerns with an open mind and a willingness to face reality.

Some people here are scared and that makes them hostile "deniers" just like climate change deniers tend to be hostile and deny what they are seeing all around them.

I get it, chemtrails are scary. But attacking each other won't lead to the truth or any resolution. So lighten up and debate maturely if you want to talk about this at all.

Some of us (like me) have been studying this issue for years.

George Bush and the American congress believed in WWD.

Well, I believe in WD40

r18 This is for you sweetheart ;-)

[quote]but when they are spraying the trails stay and thicken until they cover the whole sky. I am a believer because I believe my own eyes.

No, you believe your own over-active imagination.

[quote]Who's behind this? Big Pharma? Industrial Military Complex? Illuminati? The J E W S? Farrakhan's Yakub? The Masons? The Rothschilds? The Koch Brothers?

Isn't it OBVIOUS? It's Ryan Seacrest and his mind-control media empire. Things have been going tits-up ever since he came on the scene.

It's Ryan-fucking-Seacrest.

I believe in my powers of observation, R65, not my imagination.

[quote]I am just an observer who knows that chemtrails and contrails are two very different things

You KNOW this, eh? You have KNOWELDGE, eh?

Please share it.

Mostly what you have are ignorant observations, and some bizarre assumption that planes and engines and fuel and the atmosphere itself haven't changed at all in the last 50 years.

[quote]I believe in my powers of observation, [R65], not my imagination.

How exactly are you 'observing' the difference between contrails and these so-called alleged "chem-trails"?

You realize that all sorts of clouds look different, even though they're all the same thing, right? What EVIDENCE do you have that these contrails are actually anything different, substantively, than contrails? They're shaped differently? Well duh, contrails persist for different lengths of times based on different altitudes and atmospheric conditions. Planes fly a LOT higher now than they used to. And faster.

So please, cite all the specific tests and measurements you have that signify the clear distinction. Details please.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

R68, I know they are different because they are observably different. They look different and they act differently. What more evidence am I supposed to deliver to explain why I think they are different?

Chocolate syrup doesn't look like apple juice and it doesn't pour like apple juice. Does my lack of expertise in declaring their chemical makeup disqualify me from noticing the difference?

R62, jacking off to biased tin-hat conspiracy websites on the internet is not "researching".

[quote]I know they are different because they are observably different.

Clouds are different. And look different. And are observably different.

[quote] They look different and they act differently.

You mean, just like clouds do? Especially clouds in different seasons, or at different altitudes, or at different times of the day.

[quote]What more evidence am I supposed to deliver to explain why I think they are different?

How about measurements? Because for all the different forms and behaviors you see in clouds... they're all just water vapor.

Jesus.F.Christ....is Stuart Swerdlow posting again?

Who is this paranoid nutjob whose been posting non-stop?

R70, have you read the link at R58 thoroughly? With an open mind?

That proves nothing about contrails vs. chemtrails, R72. That was nothing but a tap dance on your part.

They're Republicans.

Stop popping an aneurysm over this. You're being trolled. They don't really believe it. They're getting a kick out of making your head explode.

Sure it does, R75. If you had a brain or understood anything, really, you'd see the obviousness of it.

Someone who sees a cumulus cloud and later sees a cirrus cloud, could be excused for thinking they're completely different things, made of different substances. Just like you seem to assume (and trust, you are doing nothing more than assuming here) about various contrails actually being these "chem-trail" things you believe exist.

(in spite of no actual evidence)

Well, again... different altitudes, different atmospheric conditions, different wind-speeds, different temperatures & pressures, different jet engines and fuels, can all lead to a staggering variety in the appearance and behavior of contrails.

Do you refuse to acknowledge this?

Chemtrails began as a secret government/military project to spray chemicals in the air from jets to combat climate change. However, with time people began to think that this was just a cover and that the chemicals were doing things to human, possibly control them or even sicken them. So there is some truth to it but the claims of it being used to control or sicken people really haven't been proven.

I'd like to believe the purpose of chemtrails is to hide UFO activity in our skies.

Clearly there are just way too many fucking stupid people in this country.

Chemtrail believers are almost as bad as they who believe that FEMA has stockpiled hundreds of thousands of "coffins" and "guillotines" purchased from China for the purpose of executing and then burying black people after the US Government declares martial law.

One would think that even conspiracy mad people would have the sense to know that IF the plan was to rid the population of hundreds of thousands of US citizens in a nefarious manner, they would not CHOP THEIR HEADS OFF and then give them an in-ground burial in a polystyrene box. Unfortunately, many people have become so addicted to the many wacko sites on the net, and particularly YouTube, CT thinking as at an never before seen high. Folks, use your heads before jumping to such ridiculous conclusions.

The said irony is that many of the people who believe in "chemtrails" are also rightwing anti-government. They are also Dems and Repubs.

Yet Republicans are controlled by the planet-destroying Koch brothers, who own Repub. politicians.

And the real PROVEN poisoning on earth is being done by Monsanto, whose GMO products are being banned by country after country, and even U.S. cities and states.

But even Hillary Clinton is working with their former corporate masters, and has a Monsanto former bigwig on her campaign staff.

Both sides are poisoning us, but not with stringy clouds. They're doing it with frakking and poisonous GMO "food."

Witchie-Poo is jacking off overtime these days. Obviously, some weird shut-in.

This thread sponsored by the federal government. Spreading propaganda far and wide by all means necessary.

Finally, some sense! Thank you R83.

Think about this for a minute: CTs think that the most effective way of dispersing (what? Drugs? Illness-inducing chemicals? Poison.. Let's go with that) poison is spraying it from jets. The first time I heard this, I thought the woman telling me was pulling my leg. She was serious, saying she had "proof." Proof of what? That was the question; the answer was paranoia, or maybe just delusion. Probably a healthy dose of both.

But, in my smart-alecy fashion, I accidentally poked holes in her theory by asking one question: Well, if that's so, why did Cheney order all planes grounded on 9/11, clearing the skies across the country for a week? Wouldn't that have set the program back? She looked like I'd hit her with a 2x4. Dazed and confused. Mumbled something about "the skies were so blue..."

Actually, the days after 9/11 were a goldmine of study for scientists who study the climate, and we found that the absence of contrails resulted in a temperature rise of about one degree.

Cue the CTs who will now suggest that 9/11 was so that global warming could be studied, and soon TPTB will be flying a billion jets a day all over, encasing the planet in a permanent cloud to counteract the rising temperatures...

I don't think anyone here is claiming to know, with any certainty, why the spraying programs are taking place. All people are trying to do is get the people with their head in the sand to go outside and look up once in a while and ask themselves "Since when do clouds come out of airplanes?"

The hostile insulting nutty posts by the deniers really says a lot about their desire to passively accept everything government and the 1% tell them.

That's scary, too.

you are whack, r87.

Nope R88, just observant and knowledgable.

[quote]I don't think anyone here is claiming to know, with any certainty, why the spraying programs are taking place.

It's bad enough you claim with certainty -- without any verifiable evidence -- that "spraying programs are taking place".

And R89, you are neither.

I guess it's the Dunning-Kruger effect in action here... you're too ignorant and stupid to realize how ignorant and stupid you are.

[quote]"Since when do clouds come out of airplanes?"

Since the invention of the jet engine and high-altitude flights. Jesus. THAT'S WHAT A FUCKING CONTRAIL IS YOU MORON.

You don't know what you're talking about R90. Look up once in a while these trails are coming out of the backs of planes, spreading out and covering the whole sky. You think that's normal?! That's how clouds are naturally formed?

So I guess it never rained on the planet before the invention of airplanes.

I have seen grid patterns in the skies over Los Angeles. It is just too strange, "the new normal". People have tested the content and it is high aluminum content, heavy metals. Not good. It isn't natural and it isn't necessary. Add Fukushima to this and the environment becomes antagonistic.

So, our reality-challenged friends on this thread want us to accept that there are tens of thousands of individuals involved in a mass conspiracy to illegally poison the population, none of whom is willing to discuss their involvement on the record, or indeed off it, in this age of blanket coverage, 24/7 digital media.

Let's consider about how many types of person would be involved in such a conspiracy:

Commercial Airline Designers, Maintenance Engineers, Owners, Managers, Secretaries, Personal Assistants, Clerks, Stockholders, Flight Crew, Cabin Crew, Cleaning Staff, Logistics Crew at the Airports, Airport Owners, Insurance Companies, Research Scientists, Lab Assistants, Lab Administration, Delivery Drivers, Security Staff at Airports, Pilots' Unions, Union Admin Staff, Local Government, Local Law Enforcement, Federal Government, their admin staff with access to documents and communications related to this mass conspiracy...

..and so on.

Every fucking one of them, silent.

'People have tested the content'

What people? When? Where? I want to read their report - where can I find it? Where is it published? How did they collect the data? Over what period of time? In what lab did they work on their data? Where did they go to school?

Well, R93, they put fluoride in the water, and that's a conspiracy, straight up. It is not good for teeth and slows brain functioning. And they got away with that. Look it up. The Nazis invented its use! No thanks.

R95, you are simply externalising your sense of dislocation and dissociation, which probably results from stuck in a job you don't like, or feeling generally powerless / lacking in agency in what appears to you to be a hostile world.

You seek refuge from those uncomfortable feelings, but locating their cause in a 'safe' fairy tale : chemtrails! Evil, shadowy government scientists!

Stay away from conspiri-bot internet sites and consider re-training, take some night classes maybe. Meet some nice people, relax, laugh a little.

Way to be insulting R96.

We're not dislocated or dissociated. I am actually in grad school now-getting my second master's degree. No, I'm not a scientist, but I am smart enough to be open minded and I have the sense to realize that clouds aren't supposed to be formed by airplane exhaust.

In order for the deniers to get us to stop believing our eyes they need to resort to personal attacks and put-downs. We don't claim to know why this is going on-we're just asking the question.

True morons don't want inquiry because they rely on ignorance to maintain their illusions.

what are you studying, R97? What school are you at? Do you talk to your professors about your interest in chemtrails? What do they say?

R97, I posted upthread that I want the report of the 'findings' into chemtrails that one of your pals referred to - where can I find it? Please post it - and i want a report written by a qualified research scientist please, not a blog by a nutter.

R90 the shill troll is clearly off his meds, seriously creep go fuck yourself.

About Fluoride Toxicity:

R98, I'm an English/Education major. So like I said I don't take Science classes. The Chemtrail/Arial Spraying issue never comes up. When I saw this thread I hoped this would be a more substantive discussion without all the ad hominin attacks and "tin hat" shaming.

We should be able to talk about these public health issues rationally and without name-calling. I'm not a zealot, just someone who has seen something curious and concerning. Don't I have a right to know what they're doing up there?

You're not "just asking the question" R97. Your asinine smirk drips. Even from online postings.

Are you actually gay, conspiri-bot at R100? Or are you one of those straight conspiri-bots who hang out at datalounge because no one gets banned here no matter how much shit they post?

' So like I said I don't take Science classes.'

Honey, we guessed that much.

From a Canadian group that polices chemtrails, posted last week.

r102 You're on your second masters degree in English and Education and that's how you spell ad hominem? Your tuition money should be returned.

'A Canadian group'.

Group of what?

I looked, but I see no names for any of the site owners, and no credentials. It's a conspiracy site which pulls stories of the web that appear to support its conspiracy agenda.

Please post the educational qualifications of the site owners, R106.

R107, marry me.

I'm not assinine R103, I'm just a arguing my point without insulting. Just because I have different concerns than you it doesn't make me dumb or delusional. Maybe you are smarter or more scientific than I am, but you can't change the realiity of what we are seeing in the sky.

As an English major I don't claim to know all about science, but I know airplanes aren't supposed to by laying clouds across the sky...so why are they?

Open your mind and start your OWN research, you pissy, obstinate cunt, R108. I'm not doing it for you. Or stay ignorant. You seem especially skilled at it...

R107 caught me in a typo. How clever he is! Now someone finally wants to marry him. His proof reading skills trumped the inconvenient truth people here are patiently, politely trying to point out.

Go outside for a while R109 and breathe some aluminum, barium and strontium. Forget the real issue at hand, you're unbelievable.

R11 that's a 'no, I have no links to peer-reviewed research findings by qualified research scientists who in any case I would not be able to follow because I am not educated in biochemical or indeed aviation engineering', is it?

I'll take your stompy feets silent exit as a 'yes'.

R112,

It's 'proofreading', petal, not 'proof reading'

You deniers are too much. I understand your fear and the existential insecurity that makes you want to identify with TPTB, but I wish there would be more of a serious discussion here.

I'll check back later, but I have homework to do (yes homework, grad school homework...no I'm not ignorant or stupid.)

While I'm gone don't assume you cowed or bullied me into silence by trying to shame me for believing my eyes. I am actually working to become even better educated...not that it matters, everyone's concerns and research into this topic is equally valid and should be equally respected.

I'll be back later.

[quote]We should be able to talk about these public health issues rationally

A discussion of an issue that doesn't exist is by its nature not going to be very rational.

[quote]Don't I have a right to know what they're doing up there?

They're flying planes, Roger Pedo-pus. That's what they're doing up there. And yes, it's normal for those planes to create clouds.

Some lost people here.

"Free yourself from mental slavery / None but us can free our mind"

[quote] everyone's concerns and research into this topic is equally valid

You really are an ignoramus if you think all research into any given topic is equally valid. Ever heard of the scientific method?

R115... young, dumb, and gullible. And so ignorant of science that he's ignoring all the valid points here that refute his chosen belief in a grand conspiracy.

So weird. So stilly. So stupid.

Trolldar is not your friend R114 R113 no one is your friend.

[quote]As an English major I don't claim to know all about science, but I know airplanes aren't supposed to by laying clouds across the sky...so why are they?

So you admit your ignorance, but then claim to know something that isn't actually true.

Why don't you just admit your ignorance and actually open your mind to the information people who AREN'T ignorant in that subject area are trying to tell you.

It's funny how you claim to "KNOW" that airplanes don't stream out clouds behind them. Given that all jet engines everywhere always have when the atmospheric conditions are right. If you'd actually take a science course, you might disabuse yourself of these silly conspiracy theories.

BTW, when you don't know something, it's best to say "I don't know", rather than invent answers in your fantasies... whether it be invisible sky fairies, ancient aliens, or grand governmental conspiracies.

Let me break it down clearly from an earlier comment of yours:

[quote]No, I'm not a scientist,

CLEARLY.

[quote]but I am smart enough to be open minded

Except you're not... you seem very closed-minded to actual scientific explanations of what you're seeing, and really deeply invested in bizarre, non-sensical grand-conspiracy theories to the point you won't even CONSIDER that they're not true.

[quote]and I have the sense to realize that clouds aren't supposed to be formed by airplane exhaust.

And that's not "sense" that's "ignorance", because you have zero understanding of what clouds are, or how or why they form.

Because you're not a scientist, and in all your education, you apparently never even took any basic science or even logic courses.

[quote]The hostile insulting nutty posts by the deniers really says a lot about their desire to passively accept everything government and the 1% tell them.

You people are so tedious, spewing this tired, repetitive crap. If the federal government and the 1% issued a joint proclamation saying Santa Claus isn't real, you'd immediately decide he is, and that he's probably dumping buckets of gift-wrapped toxins on us from his sleigh. I don't "passively accept" everything government leaders and/or obscenely rich people say, but that doesn't mean that every nutty-assed theory that purports to contradict the "official story" is true. If all that's required to meet your burden of proof for an idea like chemtrails can be boiled down to a) ooooh, it's so scary and sinister b) it contradicts what that gol-danged lyin' gubmint says—then don't kid yourself that you're using anything resembling a critical-thinking skill.

R122 nails it.

J'adore R122

I think they're real. I've seen them. Not much more to say. We deserve the truth.

R122 sounds frustrated and confused, take a nap sweetie

I can't believe this thread is still at the top! I was posting in this last night - with the post about the calculations of what the atmospheric concentration would be IF chemtrails were real (from the irish climate website). Jaaaysus people...is the math so hard to follow?

I assumed this would be long dead by today 100 posts deep. The tooth fairy isn't real either OMG

For all the Conspiracy nutters... I just flew across the Atlantic....

FYI no jet fuel is without a slight volume of water, miniscule.... This is beyond your comprehension but temps around the equator were between -45 -54 degrees at different Flight Levels and that causes trace water vapor to freeze instantly. That is your paranoid conspracy - water vapor freezing and chrystalizing instaneously.

I also saw a previous conspiracy fan to state that plans "do not fly criss crossing, etc" Sheer lunacy. How does this genius know what we do??

We follow, routes, tracks, and we offset, use various Flight Levels and yes we cross endlessly, frequently using the same tracks opposite headings at different altitudes, or offsets, or we cross each others tracks.

Total Lunacy, but if they wont believe the people that do the job, there really is nothing that can be said. Sadly I have seen the GOP coddle people like this to use them for votes. Pathetic, but works since the GOP is happier when people refuse to use the power of democracy and vote. Hopelessness about Conspiracy's is useful tool to create weak, non resistant citizenry.

No he doesn't, R126. Take a nap, honey.

Also note, R128, that burning jet fuel (which has lots of hydrogen and carbon in it) with oxygen from the atmosphere creates exhaust that is a lot of carbon dioxide (carbon + oxygen) and water (hydrogen + oxygen). That's how it works. It's a chemical reaction that is explosive and creates thrust.

So streaming out of the back of a jet is a lot of hot water vapor, which condenses (aided by other particulates in the exhaust) when it hits the very cold air of the upper atmosphere.

Depending on the atmospheric conditions, the vapor trail can vanish quickly, or persist for a long time, or even seed the existing moisture and grow and expand over time.

THIS IS BASIC SCIENCE.

If what R128 and R129 were saying was true how come these trails are a relatively new phenomenon? When I was growing up in the 70's and 80's we never saw these-just contrails that dissapated.

I think this started in the 90's, I didn't notice them until the 2000's.

[quote]If what [R128] and [R129] were saying was true how come these trails are a relatively new phenomenon?

1) there's nothing much new about them

2) planes are flying higher and faster than in the 70s and 80s, using different fuels, and very different engines

And your memory is faulty.

You're a moron.

to r130 - They started in 1996. they are real. They are not aliens or mind control or some horrible conspiracy. They are an attempt to slow global climate change. What most people don't realize is that the earth is fucked. We have tipped beyond the point of no return and the climate changes are exponential. The environment has about 30 years left,then we will see mass migrations and wars fought over food and water. British, French and other European scientists have openly spoken about this. Only in the US are we kept blind.

[quote]They started in 1996. they are real.

Uh, no. And no. Just asserting something without evidence can be easily dismissed without evidence.

[quote]What most people don't realize is that the earth is fucked. We have tipped beyond the point of no return and the climate changes are exponential. The environment has about 30 years left, then we will see mass migrations and wars fought over food and water.

That's all true, but none of it is a secret, and it's been pointed out many times from many sources here in the US.

But there's still no such thing as chemtrails.

You know, you're right. And persuasive. Now that I see clearly, I understand this is just mist from airplanes:

Bravo, R128.

'Hopelessness about Conspiracy's is useful tool to create weak, non resistant citizenry.'

Yes. Silly conspiracies distract people from actual matters that should be causing them outrage, like the billions that have been spent on illegal, destabilising wars in the Middle East, which is now seeing ISIS taking control of cities in Iraq and Syria. That's ISIS who kill gay men and sell women into slavery.

Chemtrail nonsense is a gift to actual power, which does what it does quite openly, quite brazenly, right under the noses of these idiot conspiracy nuts.

It actually is, R134.

You want to know what's changed since the 70s? There is about a hundred to a thousand times the amount of air travel.

Here's a nice example of a day's worth of flights over the US (the video is from 5 years ago, so the traffic is even denser now)

Proof that chemtrails are real:

1966 government program using contrails to modify weather

You have a strange definition of "proof".

r131 is right.

I'll bet the chemtrails conspiracy nuts also believe we faked the moon landings.

R137 There was a time when USDA believed it was possible to sseed for Rain, to end drought. EPIC FAIL.

Among many reasons, the least is that the rotation of the Earth resulting in uneven heating of the Earths Surface helps create Wind, and that wind varies at many many levels, as little as 100' can provide a wind shift. "Seeding" anything is truly impossible. Of course, you would have to believe in GRAVITY, which is not readily acceptable to ChemTrailers - there is "no known there" and you true believers cant see it so must not be real ....your lying eyes! LOL

If "Seeding the atmosphere" was possible the entire East - Egypt to Iraq to Somalia to United Arab Emirates would be a paradise, they certainly have the oil money to do so. Give it up.

Witchiepoo and her pointy little tinhat is ALL OVER THIS THREAD.

R140,

Can you read? The government program used CONTRAILS, as in the exhaust from jets to modify weather. When clouds are seeded for rain it doesn't come from the exhaust of jets.

Now this is what I call one of the most unhinged threads I have ever seen on DL.

Weather manipulation/cloud seeding has been around since the '40s, with Wilhelm Reich and his cloudbuster.

true, but that has nothing to do with commercial jets overhead.

My last post to the hopeless, easily manipulated, gulible clueless, GOP tools.... No there is no "ChemTrails," it is physically impossible due to the Earths rotation and Gravity. Wouldnt work, cant work. No conspiracy. Please do as you currently are - and keep your hopeless paranoid asses away from the voting booth.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Not a one of you have put forth any evidence to corroborate this chemtrail horseshit.

Exactly, R147.

I fucking hate that these loony conspiracy, chem trail, god-only-knows-what-else assholes are allowed to run rampant on the DL.

We do not need their level of crazy.

What sort of evidence would ever convince you people. The fact that you can go outside and see airplanes laying them across the sky doesn't convince you-what possibly could?!

If you don't believe your eyes what DO you believe?

[quote]What sort of evidence would ever convince you people.

Samples? Photos and videos of the equipment? Chemical descriptions of the spray... collected from the so-called "chem-trails" themselves?

ANY information that in ANY way shows these things to not just be normal contrails doing what normal contrails are KNOWN to do?

You keep saying "don't you believe your eyes?" Well, honey, your eyes are lying to you somehow, because all that I see in all those pictures are just normal, every day contrails. You've shown me NOTHING that in ANY WAY seems to be unusual.

I believe facts. Eyes can be fooled. Memories can be fooled. Show me reproducible scientific findings, independently corroborated.

Not some blog post from some tin-had conspiracy theorist's website and some pictures of a bunch of normal contrails in the sky.

Lol at R151 the government shill...you are an unhinged moron

R152, you're projecting.

I'm no shill. And nothing I said above had anything to do with "the government", just the most basic standards of proof and factual analysis and science.

Your contempt for actual evidence and science is quite telling.

The only unhinged moron here is you.

Are you gay, R152?

This is a site for gay people. Why are you here? You do not sound gay.

This is not a site for conspiracy nuts.

If you chose to barge in here where you do not belong, post your clap-trap, the smart, bullshit-intolerant gay people here will come down on you like a tonne of bricks.

[quote]you are an unhinged moron

Let's see. r151 looks at contrails and sees contrails, whereas you look at contrails and see the end results of some grand conspiracy to poison the world (a world that the conspirators themselves also have to live in, btw) and you think r151 is the unhinged moron? Okay .....

Why do they have to be morons? Either there are chemtrails or there aren't. Either there's reasons to investigate possible chemtrails (legitimate concerns) or there are not. Why the name calling it? It would be better to ask about the topic, if someone knows anything about it than being a dick.

NDT says it best:

[quote]Why do they have to be morons?

I don't know - low IQ, no education, lack of proper nutrition - all of the above, it could be anything.

[quote]Either there are chemtrails or there aren't.

It's already been established that there aren't.

[quote]Either there's [sic] reasons to investigate possible chemtrails (legitimate concerns) or there are not.

It's already been established that there are not.

[quote]Why the name calling it?

Pardon? Calling it? Calling what?

[quote]It would be better to ask about the topic, if someone knows anything about it than being a dick.

And it would be better for you to go fuck yourself with a lead pipe but here you are, bothering your betters instead.

You don't deserve any explanation but I'll give you one. These conspiracy freaks have infested our gay gossip website with their endlessly crazy delusions. They are here EVERY DAY with that shit. We will brutalize them until they are banned or leave willingly. That's how we roll.

Welcome to the Datalounge. We are not your usual sort of website. Here, people are encouraged to be dicks and we enjoy that. You, evidently, do not enjoy that. There are 50,000,000 other websites for you to visit. Please go find one that is run more to your liking.

If you choose to stay here, be aware that I (and others) will not be this kind to you if you pull this ridiculous bullshit again.

Buh-bye, special snowflake. t

The chemtrails contain heavy metals that enhance the electronic fog(mind control, etc.) we all live in.

R159, says who? What proof do you have of that? What evidence is there that heavy-metals even form an aerosol? Or that such an aerosol in any way enhances "mind control"? Where are the studies?

Mind control?!!!?

Really???

No worries, kids, just wear a hat like Glenn and all will be well. No chemtrails can penetrate this clever safety headgear and it's available at your local supermarket.

[quote]What sort of evidence would ever convince you people.

Ask yourself the same question, nutloaf at r150. Multiple posters in this thread have explained patiently and carefully what contrails are, how they form, why some dissipate faster than others, why their appearance has changed since the 1970s, and why a plan to disseminate chemicals into the atmosphere via jet exhaust would not work and still you insist that when you look to the sky and see contrails, you are really seeing nefarious "chemtrails."

R163, I posted a link to a government program using CONTRAILS to spray chemicals into the air to modify weather. That's proof that the phenomenon is real.

No, it isn't R164.

Just because you desperately want to believe it, that doesn't mean it's true.

R165, Yes it is. It fulfills the basic theory of Chemtrails, that contrails are being used to disperse chemicals into the air. We have a government program doing this, thus it's real.

it's real folks. some of you are so fucking dumb. China has been doing this. They have shit visibility and they have been doing this. Do your research dumb fuckers.

So is the issue that people like R164 are too ignorant to understand science, proof and facts? Is it our lower than the gutter science and math educational standards?

Is it actually just stupidity? People have explained the facts of this matter quite clearly to them several times. We can't be the first group of people to do that. Maybe these chemtrail freaks are just really, really dumb people.

R166, just how gullible are you?

I have a mug that says "World's Greatest Programmer". Clearly that's unassailable evidence that it must be true.

(rolling eyes at you)

The only fucking dumb people here are the tin-hat conspiracy theorists that believe this bullshit in spite of the utter and total lack of any real evidence, and in the face of all the evidence, facts, reasons, and science that prove this entire concept is nonsense.

R170, Right. There's no evidence except for the government program using jet exhaust contrails to disperse chemicals into the air to modify the weather. But no evidence at all. You are a complete buffoon.

I KNOW that R169 is the world's best programmer.

He says so AND he has the mug that says so. PROOF!!

He has the evidence! It's real! It exists!

Damn all you naysayers!

Just a thought: if there is a conspiracy affecting the entire population, wouldn't those involved actually be poisoning their family and friends?

Why would they do that? How is the conspiracy kept quiet? Surely someone would blab...

Lol the unhinged government shill troll is really frothing on this one. I hope they pay you well and then fire you shitstain.

Remember this Kate Bush video about Wilhelm Reich, for her song "Cloudbusting"? Donald Sutherland plays the Reich character. They made a cloudbuster gun for the video. Kate plays David Reich, his son. I couldn't believe after seeing this video so many times that it turned out to be real.

Witchie-Poo don't you have something else to occupy your time then posting lunatic posts all day.

This is a gay gossip and bitchery board, not your personal paranoid blog. Go post somewhere else.

Trust me I work in the Government and for you own sakes keep your mouths closed about this. It's all for the greater good. Now move along.

R176, I think it's actually Witchie-poo-shoes.

I don't at all; but I remember in jr. highschool a friend of mine believed in them.

[quote]I posted a link to a government program using CONTRAILS to spray chemicals into the air to modify weather. That's proof that the phenomenon is real.

• The report you linked to is 49 years old.

• You apparently missed the word "recommended" in the title of the report. The *recommended* program was never implemented, because scientists figured out it wouldn't work—which is too bad because California and many other areas of the country and the world would benefit immensely if humans could actually make rain in times of drought.

• The report never says anything about using jet contrails to seed clouds with rain-making chemicals.

Other than that, wow—your proof is incontrovertible!

I am gay and I come here regularly. I am not an Alex Jones or Glenn Beck fan. I do believe that some conspiracy theories are real because I have an open mind and because they make sense.

I KNOW chemtrails are real because I see them.

You all can make fun of me as much as you want, but it won't change the truth that's emblazoned across the sky. It's that simple.

Whether they're benign or harmful, I don't know. What I DO know, beyond a doubt, is that when there's a bunch of them crisscrossing the sky they are fucking HIDEOUS. Someone should dig up old photos and video from the 60s and 70s of heavily air trafficked areas and see if the sky looked the same then. I plan to, just out of curiosity.

Oh lord, poor R181.

Honey, what you think you're seeing is not what you are actually seeing. Look into science, you'll learn so much about the world.

Here you go, r182.

Passive diffusion alone makes chemtrails as efficient as taking a piss in the ocean. The volume of the earths atmosphere is just to big for them to have an impact on the area below their release. Those insignificant amount of "Chemicals" dilute themselves in the atmospheric space. This is almost basic high school since.

Ok... let's say that for the sake of argument that these "chemtrails" are what some claim they are.

So?

[quote]I KNOW chemtrails are real because I see them.

Honestly, this is the dumbest argument ever. The fact that you can look up and see a jet farting out a long white cloud of SOMETHING six miles above you proves NOTHING about what is in that cloud or whether it differs from any normal jet contrail. Obviously you and your naked eyes six miles below the cloud have no way of determining its chemical composition just because you can see the damned thing.

My friend's friend's cousin was the air force pilot who admitted he spread chemtrails all day with heavy metals and mind control drugs. He also mentioned that the ticks spread with the chemtrails to foster Lyme disease and fibromyalgia are raised on enormous tick farms in the Nevada desert.

On Google maps you can see areas that are obviously blurred in the Nevada desert. I think that's proof positive that specialized military tick wranglers are breeding ticks suitable for surviving a fall from a great height and going on to infect civilians.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand.

R186, my old hippie neighbor once told me the chemtrails were vaccinating us against anthrax (back in the day of the anthrax scare), and were also dropping some kind of tranquilizer down on us in order to make people less likely to rise up and revolt against the government.

R182... you've been owned... game, set, and match.

Will you admit now that there's nothing weird or nefarious going on now?

Will you let go of this ridiculously stupid tin-hat conspiracy theory?

I can't believe someone actually said that gravity and the earth's rotation made the arial spraying of chemtrails impossible.

If that were true then wouldn't air pollution also be impossible?

Chemtrails are real.

Oh my god - the sheer TONNAGE of stupidity in these "chemtrails are real" freaks is astonishing.

Science is real, you morons. SCIENCE.

[quote]I can't believe someone actually said that gravity and the earth's rotation made the arial spraying of chemtrails impossible.

No one said that the spraying itself would be impossible, just that the spray would have about as much impact as a piss in the ocean (as r185 put it).

[quote]If that were true then wouldn't air pollution also be impossible?

Air pollution is caused by activities that happen on Earth, not several miles above it, you retarded motherfucker.

Seriously, R192.

No, R191... Chemtrails are not real. Seriously, why do you believe so fervently in something with zero ACTUAL evidence, especially when there is TONS of reason, logic, and evidence debunking it?

Why do you cling so tightly to the lie, so closed minded that you won't even ENTERTAIN the possibility that you've bought a bill of goods, been duped, and aren't actually correct in your wild assertions?

[quote]I think it's actually Witchie-poo-shoes.

Very likely. Same writing style. Same stubborn fervor of willful stupidity.

disnfo going on here now

Denial of reality and surrender to delusion is going on from the "chem-trails" nut-jobs in this thread now.

Thank you, R197, my thoughts exactly.

The only "disnfo" going on in here is the bizarro world fantasies coming from the chemtrails-are-real crowd.

SCIENCE SCIENCE SCIENCE SCIENCE SCIENCE

Seriously, you dumb bitches, SCIENCE is your friend, conspiracy theorists are not your friends.

Eh, it's the only way to fill their lonely days. Believing in conspiracies offers them something. What that is, I don't know.

Thank you to the persons who take time to explain contrails. The Illuminati .... originally a sci fi book....now has taken on a life of its own & warps more minds every day. Anyone who is successful is now a secret master or something. You are some pro tweakers, I'll give you that. I saw a contrail in the sky that looked like a scimitar and I was so so scared. Not. But it was cool.

For those who don't know, Witchiepoo--who OP very likely is--has at various times claimed: that he was a witch, that he was a psychic, that he's had experiences with the paranormal, and that he has had experiences with UFOs.

In short, there has never been an instance of magical thinking he didn't like, and he especially likes to bleed the righteous blood of a martyr when called out on his bullshit.

Retread the thread title and OP, r150. Witchie Poo may well be in here, but I doubt he started the thread.

There's an interesting documentary about the subject called "What In The World Are They Spraying?"

Some whistleblowers involved with aerial spraying have come forward. Of course the MSM ignores them and perpetuates the ignorance.

Chemtrails can cause respiratory disease, too.

There are a lot of "documentaries" about things that aren't true.

Look, the chem-trail believers have been owned in this thread... proven to be delusional, their beliefs soundly debunked.

They are simply unwilling or unable to acknowledge it.

You can't compare something like a factory, that pumps out waste exhaust almost 24/7 into the air and thus creating a local pollution problem (at around sea level altitudes); to a plane spraying "chemicals" once a week (and im being generous, its probably much less than that) at very high altitudes.

Its almost common sense.

What specific mental illness is Witchiepoo suffering from? Any pros on the thread care to diagnose her? She's clearly batshit fucking insane.

That about covers it.

Even if Chemtrail spraying is only taking place once a week R205, and it is actually far more often than that, I think it's something the public needs to be informed about.

I want to know what is in them and why they are doing it?

I can't believe so many people are gullible enough to blindly obey TPTB and just not look up at the sky.

wow, r208.

I hope you are under a doctor's care.

People don't possess critical thinking skills anymore. They can't see past the programming that "everything is fine". They have a bloodthirsty need to attack those who question accepted norms. White grids of slowly dissolving chemicals in the sky is not normal; it has only been common for fifteen or so years. The slaves don't want to see, don't want to consider. The slaves just want to attack those that do, so they can feel momentarily powerful.

mentally ill, you are, r210.

@R208 You have a point. If they were spraying chemicals we should be informed on what it is they are using. However since I dont believe they are, because you know science and logic, then there is no need to take it further. BTW I just looked up at the sky. I see no chemtrails sorry!

R13 Just like religion, conspiracy theories are a form of mental illness. And the more outrageous they sound and the less evidence there is, the more likely they are to be believed.

We only treat this as normal because so many people indulge in it.

[quote]Just like religion, conspiracy theories are a form of mental illness. And the more outrageous they sound and the less evidence there is, the more likely they are to be believed.

Right you are, R213! And don't forget the element of perceived martyrdom anytime someone shows them that the emperor has no clothing and that they are indeed batshit crazy.

If you are so convinced you're right, r208, why are you going to the trouble of clearing your cookies?

[quote]George Bush and the American congress believed in WWD.

I had no idea Bush was that into fashion!

R215 the government shill doesn't get trolldar, wow you twerps are stupid. Your disinfo is hilarious.

They must be real. I've seen them. They are like contrails from the planes, but they stay around, swell up in size then completely cover the sky.

Also, planes usually lay them across the sky in grid patterns or parallel lines.

The people who don't believe or want to believe must live in places where the program's haven't started yet. They've been doing it here since the early 2000's. I never saw it happen before then, it's something new. Sort of freaky. I wonder if they're making folks sick.

Theme song for R217

So these chemtrails-are-real loons, do they actually not know (or not understand) how and why air travel has changed over the past 50 years? Do they not know that fuel is different, the altitude and speed of the planes is different, the engines are different - and that's why the contrails look different now?

Why is this so hard for them to grasp? It's quite simple, really, and obvious. It has to be more than their basic ignorance (although that's a huge factor). There is also this child-like insecurity and fear-based fantasizing. I wonder if the DL shrinks can shed some light on it? There must be a diagnosis here, possibly a multiple diagnosis.

Witchie-poo-shoes, our resident batshit loon, is not going to be allowed to pass this garbage off as fact.

shillqueen in full effect

Has anyone else, in the anti-wackadoodle camp, noticed the the new buzz phrase from CT's seems to be "you obviously have no critical thinking skills" or something very close to that? I am barraged by that statement on another site where I am constantly attempting to disabuse the locals of the many unfounded threats to their very lives which they believe bombard them daily. How odd that they choose that very phrase, for that is exactly what I am thinking about them. The fact that I do not think that we are about to be rounded up and thrown into FEMA Camps, or I do not believe that chemtrails are being introduced in order to turn black men gay, I HAVE NO CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS???

Any advice from the scientific intellects here on a great succinct way for me to knock that one down once and for all? I've already used the common sense notion that the chemicals do not have the ability to discern ethnicity/race, therefore, were it true, an entire metropolitan area could become a de facto WEHO overnight. The response is that government scientists have developed something of a "neutron bomb" chemical which is ONLY effective on black men. That was the purpose of the flu shot campaign: harvesting black DNA to use in creating the chems to be used in the chemtrails. Thanks.

Wit & Wisdom for R213

R222 - you are trying to use educated, logical arguments with uneducated, illogical people. It's a total waste of your time.

These conspiracy nuts are conspiracy nuts for a reason. There is something fundamentally broken inside of them. They live in a constant state of internalized fear and anxiety. That's why they invent these overwhelming external threats. It reflects their psychological and emotional lives. Basically, they are fucked up beyond all recognition and they have no idea that [italic]the call is coming from inside the house.[/italic]

They deserve our pity more than our contempt but they're so aggressively stupid and unpleasant that all a normal person wants to do is bitchslap them into next week.

What R224 says may be true of people who become completely obsessed/preoccupied with conspiracy theories, as it is true with people who go nuts over anything. It is, however, profoundly unfair to accuse everyone who thinks differently than you of being crazy, fearful or broken inside.

I am concerned about Chemtrails. I believe in the possibility/probability of some conspiracies. I am also an educated, level-headed person. I am a critical thinker and I have made different conclusions than you.

My contribution to this discussion is valid and deserves respect.

Lol the idiot disinfo shill is now talking to her fat self...

No, R225, you are completely wrong.

People within this very thread have posted facts, science, proof, links, all kinds of useful information for anyone who wants to know the truth. You are either ignoring it so that you don't have to acknowledge and deal with it or are intellectually incapable of actually processing the information. That tells us that there is something seriously wrong with you and that your "contribution" to this thread is neither valid nor deserving of respect.

Science is valid, I respect science. You don't have any.

R227 The "official" sanctioned approved science accepted by TPTB don't explore/reveal their findings about everything. Look at how "science" allowed NutraSweet on to the market along with so many prescription drugs that turned out to be toxic.

"Science" used to insist we were mentally ill because we're gay and that "refrigerator moms" caused autism. "Science" knows who pays the bills and without funding areas of concern, such as health problems caused by arial spraying do not get funding.

Even if it did we wouldn't know the results. This is a top secret government project (like HAARP) the "science" is not revealed to the general public. All we can do is look up to the sky and wonder...and worry....

...or ignore and insist we're not seeing what we see. I'm simply not capable of that level of cognitive dissonance.

God, you people are shockingly, appallingly, mind-bendingly stupid.

Fine. Don't trust or believe in science. I don't know why I expected you to - your mental illness will never allow factual information to penetrate.

For the sake of your parents and families, I hope you find some medication or a psychiatrist or both, whatever it is you need to become normal, non-paranoid-hysteric human beings.

R228 makes sense. At least you all could be respectful and open-minded. I'm glad we have a chance to talk about Chemtrails here. FWIW

This thread has been repeating itself for two days.

But it's still fun reading.

Why, next you'll say fluoride is a neurotoxin, is not good for teeth, and is being systematically removed from local water in Canada. Conspiracy freaks!

It's an important subject R231 and it doesn't get talked about much. Does anyone here have any theories about the science or social agenda behind these things? What are they anyway?

[quote]Does anyone here have any theories about the science or social agenda behind these things? What are they anyway?

Have you read any of this thread?

The first page will be enough as the rest of it is just repeats.

It seems like it gets so much windier lately than it used to. That may be off-topic or maybe it's connected somehow. They do have something to do with weather modification, at least the experts seem to think so.

[quote]the experts

that's quite a loose term

[quote]It seems like it gets so much windier lately than it used to.

If that's true (I'm not aware of objective analysis, so it's just your subjective perception here), it's connected to global warming... not to some fantasy conspiracy about "chemtrails".

More energy in the atmosphere (i.e. "warmer") means more extremes. Wind is caused primarily by the uneven heating of the earth's surface (warm air rises, causing cooler surrounding air to rush in at the surface).

[quote]There is something fundamentally broken inside of them. They live in a constant state of internalized fear and anxiety. That's why they invent these overwhelming external threats. It reflects their psychological and emotional lives.

I agree with your description about those who believe in chemtrails. But it also applies to those who believe in global warming. And I don't understand why the belief in global warming is considered intelligent and sane, while the belief in the science that discredits it is considered unintelligent and unhinged.

The chemtrail folks sound A LOT like the global-warming crowd.

[quote]But it also applies to those who believe in global warming

No, it doesn't. False equivalency. Chemtrails have no scientific evidence. Global warming has [italic]overwhelming[/italic] scientific evidence.

[quote]And I don't understand why the belief in global warming is considered intelligent and sane, while the belief in the science that discredits it is considered unintelligent and unhinged.

Because there isn't much in the way of actual real science that discredits global warming.

If you want to make an equivalency... belief in "Chemtrails" requires a belief in an unlikely and even ridiculously complex grand conspiracy... while denial of global warming also requires a belief in an unlikely and even ridiculously complex grand conspiracy.

So, no, you're wrong and have it backwards. The Chemtail people are like the global warming denialists.

R239 is an unhinged moron

How so, R240? For explaining obvious facts calmly and rationally? Is that it.

There is very good science which shows that so-called global warming is not caused by mankind. There is not good science showing that global warming is. But it's a political, strangely "noble" cause whose adherents ignore good science.

[quote]There is very good science which shows that so-called global warming is not caused by mankind.

There actually isn't..

[quote] There is not good science showing that global warming is.

There actually is.

[quote]But it's a political, strangely "noble" cause whose adherents ignore good science.

Only the deniers are ignoring good science.

R243 is correct in every respect.

So wait - the chemtrails freaks are also the global warming denial morons?

Wow. How much stupid can these people fit into one brain? Do they also believe the Earth is flat?

No, the global-warming hysterics sound like the chemtrail hysterics. Both crowds have agendas which lean toward their own lack of mental wellness.

No, R245.

Belief in chemtrails requires the same sort of paranoid belief in grand conspiracies as global warming denialism.

You're not getting it.

[quote]No, the global-warming hysterics sound like the chemtrail hysterics. Both crowds have agendas which lean toward their own lack of mental wellness.

This article explains this very well regarding global-warming adherents.

R246 has it - chemtrails and global warming deniers share common traits.

Science supports the fact that global warming is real. (It doesn't matter whether you believe it is man-made or made some other way - it's still real.)

Science supports the fact that chemtrails are NOT real.

Global warming deniers and chemtrails believers are two peas in a pod.

Global warming believers and chemtrails deniers are two peas in a pod.

So there you go, kids.

How is not accepting bad science regarding so-called global warming a paranoid belief in grand conspiracies? Trusting science isn't being paranoid. Not believing in something that is made up shows intelligence.

Chemtrails and global warming are made up ideas with pseudo-science backing.

No, R249, you're quite wrong and obviously quite determined to BE wrong so have it your own way.

There is no need to discuss this any further. Buh-bye.

[quote]How is not accepting bad science regarding so-called global warming a paranoid belief in grand conspiracies?

Because you have to believe that tens of thousands of scientists across all scientific disciplines and across the entire world, along with all their data (which all dove-tails with each other showing human caused global warming) are in grand cahoots to somehow swindle the entire planet for some unexplained reason.

[quote]Trusting science isn't being paranoid.

True. The science points directly to global warming that has a significant human cause.

[quote]Not believing in something that is made up shows intelligence.

True. Chemtrails are made up. So is global warming denialism. (please note that all the "sources" for denialism can be directly traced to the fossil fuel industry, and all the same organizations involved in peddling the "cigarettes are safe" denialism of past decades).

Human-caused global warming is science, not 'pseudo-science'.

A dose of reality is due a lot of people...

Where I live it seems to get colder and colder. The winters have been brutal. I sometimes wonder if we're going into another ice age.

[quote]I am gay and I come here regularly.

Highly doubtful. You are an obscure member of SAG and believe you pass for 20 when, in reality, you look every bit of your age and you have an odd obsession with George Clooney and have been banned from numerous other websites because of outlandish accusations and stalkerish behavior.

Lol the witchie poo government shill has gone batshit, get help idiot you know nothing about science.

Former porn star Benjamin Bradley, for one

Prince, discussing chemtrails on Tavis Smalley:

Prince slipped off the mental edge a long, long time ago.

R253 lives in one of the blue areas in this map, and makes the mistake of assuming the rest of the world is like where he is... or that the rest of the world doesn't matter, only HIS personal experience does:

This is a similar image that should post in-line for those with that option set:

I, for one, believe in chemtrails.

I also uploaded this video where you can see that the GUVMINT is PUTTING CHEMICALS in OUR WATER and MAKING BAD THINGS OOZE OUT OF THE GROUND.

Because why else would I be able to see this rainbow in my sprinkler, if not for guvmint and chemtrails and and and oozing things?!?!?!?

R261 that video has always been utterly hilarious -- and terrifying -- to me. That people are THAT IGNORANT of even the most basic science.

Actually the link R256 provided is a good one with lots of resources regarding the issue.

The blogger may have been a porn star, but his research and written work is sound. I hope people check it out.

You're right R259 I do live in one of the blue areas and climate change has had a terrible impact on us. I believe that the globe has been warming overall and am greatly concerned about it. I don't want the Northeast U.S. to go into another ice age and it seems to be happening-that is scary.

That doesn't mean I am not concerned about other environmental issues like arial spraying. And, no, I'm the furthest thing from self-absorbed.

Could you at least learn to spell "aerial" if you're going to keep yapping about this nonsense, r264? And, yes, by "nonsense," I mean "chemtrails," not global warming, which actual scientific evidence supports.

Okay "aerial." I wondered why spell check kept flagging that word. Anyway, a misspelling doesn't distract from the validity of my points.

Global warming is as real as chemtrails. I'm not arguing with that.

No, R266. Global warming is actually real.

Chemtrails are a fantasy tin-hat conspiracy theory.

Why you can't see the obvious is beyond me.

It's good that this important issue is being discussed. But, the webmaster should change the title to something that's not biased and insulting.

There is room for different points of view in this debate.

R258, ignorance is not a valid point of view.

With my Bachelor of Arts, I am the first to admit that science has never been my strong suit, but I am very logical, pragmatic and I am smart enough to recognize those around me who do have the abilities which I lack. When someone like Rachel Maddow, uses the term "chemtrails" as verbal shorthand for a nutcase conspiracy theory, that is good enough for me. For those of you who are so wedded to the idea of chemtrails, my question is why? Do you feel that your physical or mental health is at risk? Is it a deep seated distrust of Big Brother? Do you feel that "The Man" is listening to your thoughts? There are so many issues surrounding us everyday which we know to be real and true. Why on earth are you focusing on something which, even if it were real, presents such an improbable risk to you?

because, crazy.

I find it very difficult to accept that the posters who sound like straight , meth crazed hillbillies, who post like this : 'Lol. Shill. Moron. Slave. Disinfo. Lol. ' are actually gay.

What the fuck are they doing here?

Maybe they are closeted hillbillies and came for the pron, and stayed when they figured they can post any trash they like without webmaster sanctions.

Luckily , there are enough educated and rational gay people here to police the place, though it feels like emptying a bath tub with a teaspoon sometimes.

it really does.

I was one of the doubters, calling people here who bring up the important topic of chemtrails morons, but then R256 posted a link to a pornstar's blog... and my world is forever changed! I believe! He's so right, and it was all right there, outside his window in Las Vegas.

Sadly, there are those that won't recognize the dripping sarcasm in R274's hilarious post.

[quote] There is room for different points of view in this debate.

No, really, there isn't room, because this is not a debate. "Do chemtrails exist?" is not an opinion question such as "should the US legalize same-sex marriage on the federal level?" or "should abortion be illegal after 20 weeks?" or "which movie should win the Oscar for best picture this year?" Either chemtrails exist or they do not—it's not a matter of opinion. Evidence overwhelmingly indicates not only that chemtrails don't exist (except in the minds of under-bright conspiracy wackos) but that spraying shit out of the back of a jet five or six miles high could not possibly have an effect on the air we breathe down here on the ground anyway.

R272, honey, please adjust that tin hat, it looks so gauche worn high on the head! I find a jaunty angle, low over one eye, looks fun and breezy.

R277 was for R274

[quote]When someone like Rachel Maddow, uses the term "chemtrails" as verbal shorthand for a nutcase conspiracy theory, that is good enough for me

Rachel Maddow would not have her own show on a cable news network if she weren't one of "them" in all the ways that really matter.

Rachel represents controlled dissent. She is the token liberal who would never be allowed to take a stand that might really challenge The Powers That Be.

Rachel would call the smartest scientists in the world "nutjobs" if they said anything that went against the people who sign Rachel's paycheck. She is a media whore like all the rest of them.

Everyone breathes the atmosphere. Do these "chemtrails" weirdos think the "perpetrators" are somehow immune, or what?

Get some common sense.

R279 You are black aren't you? I recognize all the buzz words from my many discussions re: chemtrails are a part of the Government's plan to de-masculinize black men. Referencing TPTB and controlled dissent were dead giveaways.

Well, at least you are consistent. I would expect someone who believes that chemtrails exists would also assume that Rachel is just a stooge for "The Man."

More delusionally paranoid conspiracy bullshit from R279

And R277/R278, thanks for proving R275 right.

There are Chemtrails in the sky where I live right now. It's bothering my sinuses. Don't tell me they're harmless vapor.

[quote]I would expect someone who believes that chemtrails exists would also assume that Rachel is just a stooge for "The Man."

How does one get a gig on a cable news network without being a stooge for "The Man?"

They murder real journalists in this country. If Rachel's reporting were anything more than a mere annoyance to anyone with real power, she wouldn't be where she is.

MSNBC, the so-called "liberal" news news gave Ashleigh Banfield the boot for daring to opine that reporters who are "embedded" with US troops overseas aren't able to report objectively.

R282, I entirely and wholly 'got' the sarcasm of R275's funny post, thank you very much, and I showed him my appreciation in the same light hearted vein.

R283, there's no such thing as chemtrails.

There are contrails in the sky. And they're much too far away to affect your sinuses.

R280 Rasises a good question. I don't know how the 1% and their families aren't sickened by chemtrails. Does anyone here have any theories?

It could be that the aerial spraying program isn't intended to harm people's health of affect their thinking. It might just be part of a weather modification program. Maybe to combat global warming. Does anyone have any thoughts on that?

We should try to make this a productive discussion and drop the name-calling and temper tantrums by the skeptics and deniers. There's too much hysteria among those who choose not to acknowledge.

R287, how about you provide ANY proof that such a program actually exists, and isn't just what people have been saying here (i.e. just normal jet contrails) before trying to spend a lot of energy and time fantasizing about WHY the program exists?

Are you a gay male, R288? If so, when is the last time you sucked a cock? Are you a top or a bottom?

Maybe you're one of the few lesbians on datalounge. If so, when did you last suck on another woman's clit?

If you are neither, what the fuck are you doing on this site for GAY people, trying to set up a little conspiracy theory shop ? There are a million sites and blogs where you can discuss your delusions - datalounge is not one of them and we will not tolerate your nonsense here.

R289 was for R287!

Yep…Benjamin Bradley even started a 'Meetup' group in Las Vegas for those concerned about chemtrails:

Why can't gay people be concerned about Chemtrails? I'm gay and the aerial spraying issue is very interesting to me. A person can be gay AND interested in science, politics and conspiracy theory. It's called being smart.

You can't be interested in both science and conspiracy theories. They are opposites.

R293, I bet the victims of the Tuskegee Syphilis study would disagree with you that scientists never conspire to harm innocent people.

r294, r293 didn't say dick about scientists conspiring about anyone, innocent or not.

That said, I thought the Tuskegee study subjects were prison inmates, convicted of something, rightfully or not, but presumably not "innocent."

Incredible R295. Prisoners are still humans. Check your moral inferiority, please.

"The Tuskegee syphilis experiment was an infamous clinical study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the U.S. Public Health Service to study the natural progression of untreated syphilis in rural African-American men in Alabama. They were told that they were receiving free health care from the U.S. government."

Your government often conspires to kill your fellow citizens. Maybe you will be on e of the unlucky ones who will be killed to further some government agenda. It is entirely possible.

Lithium.

I'd like to see what the people bashing us have to say about R298's video. It's proof that they are doing this.

R299, you have a bizarre definition of the word "proof". You are also very gullible.

The sky is really, really big. It would take blankets of stuff to make a difference.

Did you listen to the video R300?

[quote] Benjamin Bradley even started a 'Meetup' group in Las Vegas for those concerned about chemtrails

Oh, they should be a hoot. Let me find my old deely boppers and head on out.

The sky was really, really big that day . . .

And the idiots were as well.

I still do not see how anyone could look at the pics of all those crazy patterns in the sky and assume that is just normal air traffic.

We get them here in rural Maine and I guarantee you there is no reason to suppose that a dozen or more planes making trailing patterns in the sky at once are all commercial aircraft flying every which way over the skies of Nowhere, Maine.

It's not these planes and the seemingly random patterns they fly adhere to any regular flight schedule. Usually they only appear in droves when precipitation is forecast within a day or two.

"Usually they only appear in droves when precipitation is forecast within a day or two."

You mean, as it gets humid?

[quote]I still do not see how anyone could look at the pics of all those crazy patterns in the sky and assume that is just normal air traffic.

Um, because that's exactly what it is? As tons of evidence has been posted in this very thread proving?

[quote]We get them here in rural Maine and I guarantee you there is no reason to suppose that a dozen or more planes making trailing patterns in the sky at once are all commercial aircraft flying every which way over the skies of Nowhere, Maine.

So... based on your ignorance of reality here, you automatically jump to the conclusion of "Huge Government Cover-up"?

[quote]It's not these planes and the seemingly random patterns they fly adhere to any regular flight schedule. Usually they only appear in droves when precipitation is forecast within a day or two.

Or maybe, just maybe, contrails dissipate more quickly in drier atmospheric conditions?

Seriously? You never considered ANY other possible explanations?

"There are Chemtrails in the sky where I live right now. It's bothering my sinuses. Don't tell me they're harmless vapor."

Yeah, or the contrails and your sinus problems are both caused by humidity. But a giant government conspiracy makes more sense than simple science.

[quote]So... based on your ignorance of reality here, you automatically jump to the conclusion of "Huge Government Cover-up"?

NO, I advance no theories of my own. I only see plainly in the skies above that sometimes a bunch of planes appear and start spraying in noticeable patterns. The trails they leave seem to turn the sky white and they always seem to precede rain or snow.

If it is normal commercial air traffic over an isolated corner of Maine, then why do days and even weeks go by where little-to-no air traffic is visible, then in spates there are suddenly a dozen planes all flying around at the same time? They don't seem to be adhering to a commercial schedule because their schedule is so random. Are you telling me a bunch of international flights all decide to fly overhead together, just a few days a month, and never on any discernible schedule?

All I know for certain is that I see funny business in the skies and it's so obvious to me that it's an unexplained but controlled campaign of some sort, that I marvel at anyone who doesn't see it. I assume that seem really are that naive and unobservant, (and altogether too angry to have their beliefs questioned), while others may be tasked with smearing all dissenters.

By the same logic as many posting on this thread, the fact that this never happens where I live means that there is no possible way that "chemtrails" exist or that there is any conspiracy theory at work.

"The trails they leave seem to turn the sky white and they always seem to precede rain or snow."

This is where you just utterly slip the bonds of reality.

"Seems" is one of those escape-hatch words, beloved by hucksters, charlatans and Bill O'Reilly.

R312, you seem to have too vested an interest in declaring people crazy just because they see things overhead that look odd to them. I have been a "plane-watcher" all my fifty years, and I never saw anything remotely like chemtrails until the late '90s.

What's funny is that all these apologists for the government overlook how in this "New American Century," with its War on Terror, all good citizens who see anything unusual or suspicious are encouraged to report such activities to the authorities.

No, R313, he's calling people crazy because they exhibit complete irrationality.

Did you notice how you completely ignored his reasoning and jumped to a completely different topic in your accusation? There is ZERO indication that he's calling anyone crazy because they see things overhead that look odd to them. No. That's not why he's calling anyone crazy.

Can you figure out what he actually said? Why he actually is calling people crazy? This is a test. Sane, rational people who can reason can figure it out easily. Let's see if YOU can.

Monsanto sprays usually just before a rain so the chemicals settle on the land and gradually destroy the soil and render it useless for the future, unless of course you use their seeds.

So, now we're sitting here waiting, looking forward to the "intimidating" name calling and bitch slapping, along with the cacophony of lies about to roll off your wicked tongue as you madly type them out. Bring it on.

You may think you've insulted and degraded dozens of posters here, but when others know you're one of those 'believe what I believe or just be wrong' type of Class-A ignoramuses they are laughing at you -- not intimidated, not insulted, not angry... laughing.

[quote]"Seems" is one of those escape-hatch words, beloved by hucksters, charlatans and Bill O'Reilly.

It seems to me that no matter what I say, you have a stock answer designed to dismiss and belittle me.

In my judgment you are a propaganda artist and a jackass.

Yawn. Is this thread over yet?

Tell you what - why doesn't some little tinfoil hat wearing queen actually provide actual scientific evidence for chemtrails being an EBIL GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY!?!

I'm talking an actual published, peer-reviewed, backed-up-by-actual-science paper that isn't written by some misty eyed rainbow-spouting cunt with a crystal problem and questionable ethics. Go on, you boring cunts, provide the evidence. I'll be waiting.

Both R315 and R316 are projecting. It's hilarious how they hold others to standards they won't themselves meet.

Twenty-four hour news cycles and the general dumbing down of America has poorly served millions upon millions of people who only listen to media news sources they agree with, and who have wrongly concluded that a debate is a discussion between people who shout at one another. These same people who absolutely cling to grand ideas of this ubiquitous, all-powerful, and nefarious government cannot or will not see how they vote against their interests repeatedly.

Here are some basics that honestly seem to have never been taught to so many in this discussion. First, facts are established statements of reality. They are based on observable, empirical traits which are reproducible and observable quite independently of the person who first discovered the fact.

For example, suppose I state that after years of experimentation, I have discovered this fact: there are three primary colors, red, yellow, and blue. Immediately after my stating this fact, thousands (or millions, perhaps) of people will set about trying to break yellow into other constituent colors. They will examine my methods and try to find fault with any part of them which might have led to the wrong conclusion.

After rigorous testing of both my methodology and my results, they will conclude that yes, there are only three primary colors. They will announce their confirmation of these conclusions/observations and widely communicate it to the scientific community or the world at large. These last two points are crucial to understanding what a fact is: its discoverer [italic]welcomes[/italic] attempts by peers to disprove his conclusions, and when it is shown that no other conclusion is possible, this fact is now [italic]established[/italic] and communicated widely as tested, confirmed reality.

An opinion is a statement of belief. It might or might not be based on facts. It might or might not be born out by testing its hypothesis and seeing whether the results were what were predicted by the opinion or not. The fundamental way in which facts and opinions differ is that there is no requirement for an opinion to have a one-to-one correspondence with reality.

I can say my opinion is that yellow is made up of two as yet undiscovered colors "ow" and "yell." I can hold that opinion as long as I want to, and no amount of persuasion or evidence will shake me from it (although some people will abandon or modify opinions when presented with facts...we call these "open-minded" people). Facts require tested, observable reality; opinions only require a person to hold them. Facts and opinions are two separate entities.

Debates have been held since the dawn of civilization. They are a discussion of an as-yet-unproven premise with at least two people with opposing [italic]opinions[/italic]. It is the logical testing of a hypothesis. The process--agreed to by all parties--allows for only the submission of [italic]facts[/italic] in the discussion. You will only introduce factual statements, and if you try to let an opinion in instead, I will pounce upon you and force you to recount, and you will do the same to me.

If it is found that my premise was not based on facts, then I would admit that I was wrong, my opponent was right, and I would hang my head in shame while walking away.

Not so in the 21st century. Instead, people are taught that opinions--repeated often enough and/or loudly enough--carry equal force as facts. Not only that, but if my opinion becomes popular with millions of people, that adds to its validity and trumps your fact.

People no longer recognize personal folly, nor do they ever feel shame for it. Rather than walking away quietly in the ruins of my shattered claims, I just turn up the volume and repeat my opinion again and again. People now will advocate that demonstrably false assertions should be regarded as having equal validity with factually proven depictions of reality. "Sure, you say the 2+2=4, but this guy over here has been shouting 2+2=849, and he's been saying this for decades, and millions of people agree with him, so he might be right too..."

Stop the madness! Who cares if they don't believe chemtrails are real and are dangerous, a threat to humanity's survival.

Why take the time and waste your energy trying to convince someone of something they don't want to believe in? It's crazy. You don't need to convince them. What for?

So what if they don't believe you. Adopt an "I have no interest trying to convince others of that which doesn't need to be believed" stance.

Whatever they believe or don't believe about chemtrails and contrails won't have any impact or affect upon you or your life one way or the other.

People/trolls who post controversial threads and then blast anyone who disagrees with their POV are energy-drainers trying to suck your energy and control your emotions. It's a game they play well. Don't take the bait. Don't play their game. Stop. Find something better to do.

There are countless threads all over the Internet on this specific topic, many are moderated by scientists, and where rational, intelligent discussion and lively exchange of information is encouraged.

Of all places on the Internet why discuss this specific topic here on DL with arrogant, ignorant trolls? Find something better to do than trying to convince an idiot who doesn't want to be convinced.

Stop taking the bait. It's crazy.

Perfectly stated, R320. Too bad those that most need to read and understand your words are likely from the "TL;DR" camp...

These chemtrails people are delusional. Delusions are very entrenched ways of interpreting the world, based on the person's inner emotional state. You cannot rationalise someone's delusions away, the emotions which give birth to the delusions are too embedded in their psychology, which is, in essence : 'the world is a hostile, frightening place that overwhelms me, I often have the feeling I am under attack or surveillance. I fear authority and believe authority figures wish to harm me''

It is very difficult, if not impossible, to reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into.

Chem-trails conspiracy theorists (or ANY kind of conspiracy theorist, including global warming denialists) don't care about reason. They have their convictions, and that's good enough for them... and ANY attempt to try and reason with them is just more proof of the grand conspiracy to them.

And one of the architects of that r321 was Karl "we are the shapers of reality" Rove. What you speak of was present before the run up to the Iraq War but it really took off at that time and has been with us ever since.

Sorry I meant r320.

r324, no, YOU are simply invested in Coincidence Theories, AKA, Government Stories.

Because faced with plenty of "reasons," you choose to scorn, denigrate, dismiss, and attack.

But it is seldom your ilk can refute, other than to fall back on Coincidence.

explained

R327 has no idea how irrational and crazy he sounds.

Yawn

"Chemtrail" believers really need to read that article at R328. It explains where your belief came from... what started it, etc.

It fills in the gaps quite well.

Like I said earlier, High School chemistry/physics easily offers logical explanations for this.

The only chemtrails you should believe are real at this point at those comming out of your fat ass on the way to Dunkin Donuts.

It's great to see this discussion topic featured on the front page. I just wish the deniers/skeptics were able to debate in a more mature rational manner, and it would have been nice if it didn't have an insulting title. Why the need to belittle people who have real concerns about a phenomena they witness right over their heads? Is it suddenly wrong to not blindly trust the government and TPTB?

r333, did you read what I linked to?

[quote]I just wish the deniers/skeptics were able to debate in a more mature rational manner

Oh honey. More projecting. We HAVE. And at some point, we just give up. There's only so long you can try to reason with a fucking nutcase who is immune to facts and logic before you just give the fuck up.

"Chemtrails" believers are being treated with exactly the contempt they deserve.

Ignorance is not a virtue.

Willful ignorance is not a valid point of view.

"I have no idea, therefore secret government conspiracy!" is not an argument.

You've got fucking nothing. And it has NOTHING to do with "blind trust in the government and TPTB". That's just being exceptionally stupid, and a grotesque black-and-white thinker.

Use your fucking brain.

R320 has me moist as a freshly baked butter cake. Nothing turns me on like a great mind. Thank you for injecting some clear and well articulated reason into this freeforall.

Lol at R336. I wish you were my editor!

[quote]Not so in the 21st century. Instead, people are taught that opinions--repeated often enough and/or loudly enough--carry equal force as facts. Not only that, but if my opinion becomes popular with millions of people, that adds to its validity and trumps your fact.

Which is why Emma Sulkowicz is still lauded in the media for being a "victim" turned activist even though her own friendly and solicitous text massages to her alleged attacker after the alleged attack took place don't support the detailed claims she made later.

"Why the need to belittle people who have real concerns"

Chemtrails-believers do not have real concerns. They have delusions and fantasies.

R339 has nothing to back up his claims but shallow insults. Not very convincing, are they?

r339 has science and rationality to back up his claims. What you got?

I wish vinegar was all we needed to protect our health from Chemtrails. The only safe solution is for them to stop putting that stuff in the sky.

R340 makes an art out of ignoring facts and science in order to parrot already debunked nonsense and engage in the same ad-hominem attacks he accuses others of, all while appearing deliciously clueless and stubbornly & willfully ignorant as he demands things to "back up the claims" that have already been given many, many times.

R339 is correct. You don't have real concerns. You have delusions and paranoia, and you've let yourself be gullibly taken in by a tin-hat conspiracy meme, and now your brain is so fucked up by it that you can't even accept all the mountains of evidence that you're wrong with an open mind... it's just further proof of the conspiracy to you. A vicious cycle.

Your mind is basically vapor-locked.

R335 nails it, and I'm convinced that you conspiracy theorists haven't bothered to read the article linked in R328. Because if you had, AND you had an argument, you'd be able to argue the facts and lay out a set of points debunking what is said in that article and supporting your own view. But you haven't. You just attack anyone who isn't a "believer" as a "tool of the government/TPTB". Which is a clear sign of a conspiracy nut.

Maybe someone should start a new thread with a less biased title. I don't have membership to do that, maybe someone here does?

It could say something What in the World Are They Spraying?

Yes, a sure sign of a tin hatter is the use of TPTB in their argument. I am surprised that we chemtrail deniers have not be accused of being "sheeple," their other go to term.

Oranges poranges

R344, you actually think that's a LESS biased thread title? It presumes they're actually spraying something... which they're not. BECAUSE THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS CHEMTRAILS. It's just regular, normal contrails.

Let's be clear here. There isn't really a debate. There are ignorant people filling in the gaps of their knowledge with paranoid fantasies, generating grand conspiracy theories...

And then there's the truth. The facts. The reality.

There are not "two valid opposing sides" here. There's the truth, and the ignorant delusion.

So no, we're not going to start another "chemtrail-friendly" thread. The subject doesn't deserve such a thread and has not earned such a thread.

The only rational response to the people who cling to the "chemtrail" nonsense in the face of all the science, reason, and evidence, is contempt and pity.

And that's all you'll get if you don't educate yourself and get over this stupidity.

Watch it r348

the homophobic witch who sided with Kathryn Knott will put a spell on you!

You know they won't, r348.

Lmao this thread is comedic gold.

It's actually a serious topic R351. Has anyone noticed how much worse allergies are this year?

Who knows what we're breathing.

Who knows what we're breathing.

If Kylie Jenner believes it, then it can't be wrong.

Seriously

My god! I got through two pages of this thread and I can't believe how invested people are in this: foaming at the mouth, both sides!! Try and keep open minded, and remember: never say never. The truth is we'll never know for sure either way.

PS: a truly educated person is always observant and asks questions; otherwise you are just parroting what someone else taught you.

"The truth is we'll never know for sure either way."

Except we do, because one side has science and rationality on its side and the other side doesn't.

I never understand why people cherry pick at the information science provides us? People go to their doctors and nod at whatever their doctor tells them. Very few people challenge or even bother to verify that what their doctor is saying is true (if you are one of the people who always questions, then good for you!). Yes we blindly accept science when it comes to medicine and health.

Yet for something as silly as this, that can be explained with High School chemistry and physics, so many are professional skeptics. Jeez man.

R357, stop engaging in the false equivalency logical fallacy, seriously. One side is frustrated at the utter willful stupidity of the other. And that other is just being petulantly and willfully stupid. Don't try to claim that they're "both the same".

Both sides have to listen to each other more. We need an open dialogue without name-calling.

No, R361. Just... no. Sane people don't need to give any more attention or thought to insane conspiracy theorists. No.

Funny how words like 'truth' and 'theory' are held up as bad things. The ability to theorize is the sign of a lively, curious, and inquiring mind. Conspiracies? The entire history of recorded civilization involves one conspiracy after another. Ever read Roman history? Conspiracies are part and parcel of the history of Mankind.

The ability to theorize about possible conspiracies is a sign of intelligence and sanity.

[quote]The ability to theorize about possible conspiracies is a sign of intelligence and sanity.

There is nothing intellectual or sane about denying scientific explanations for total fucking NATURAL phenomena because it's inconvenient for their flimsy little "theory".

[quote]The ability to theorize about possible conspiracies is a sign of intelligence and sanity.

The ability to incorporate facts and rational judgment and reason is a sign of intelligence and sanity.

Going off on irrational, baseless, half-cocked theories of grand conspiracies that are so complicated and require so many people to "keep the secret" that it's not even remotely possible, is a sign of the opposite.

Nice try at rationalization though, nut-case.

R365, no one blabbed the secret about the Manhattan Project which involved a massive conspiracy of silence. The USA took the world by surprise when it started dropping atomic bombs in WWII.

But then, you must think I'm a lunatic for believing there was a plot to kill Julius Caesear.

R66 Touché!

Chemtrails: deeply interwoven in the Venn Diagram of Irrational Nonsense

And if you want a bigger picture, here it is:

[bold]The Venn Diagram of Irrational Nonsense[/bold]

Seriously, if you believe anything listed here... you're being duped, your a gullible fool/tool/rube, or you're just uneducated and need to educate yourself.

And no, you really can't legitimately argue against any of this stuff. Deal.

[quote]But then, you must think I'm a lunatic for believing there was a plot to kill Julius Caesear.

r366, the fact that actual conspiracies have been planned and executed does not indicate that EVERY conspiracy theory is correct. Duh.

I wanted to sleep with the radio on. So I clicked on WNYC in my radio stream and fell asleep in 30 seconds. I woke up slowing to a long discussion and radio call programme, about chemtrails and I'm thinking this can't be WNYC and it went on and on with the very odd callers and "experts" and "investigators" talking about their "papers" and linking in other conspiracy theories. How long as I brainwashed? All night? It was WOKV from Jacksonville FL. It was quite entertaining like a perfect satire, but real.

People who believe that chemtrails are something nefarious always have a year specific to their late-teens before which "you never used to see chemtrails until ______." A person in this thread said the '90s. I remember them in the '60s, '70s and '80s too.

I remember Prince going on about them because Dick Gregory had gone on about them. Prince gave an interview where he said Dick Gregory pointed out that everybody used to get along fine before chemtrails and then they started and black people started killing each other in the hood.

Of course, this is documentably insane.

[quote]the fact that actual conspiracies have been planned and executed does not indicate that EVERY conspiracy theory is correct. Duh.

Yes, but there are those who take any suggestion of conspiracy or of theorizing about any nefarious deeds whatsoever thing as proof of lunacy.

As if the same government that invaded Iraq under false pretenses and used depleted uranium weapons in Fallujah, causing a generation of grotesquely mutated babies to be born, were somehow too trustworthy and benevolent to allow a chemical spraying program to occur over the skies of the USA on behalf of Monsanto or someone.

The only person I know of who believes in chemtrails is very seriously bipolar. I'm not saying the two things are related, but still. She gets obsessed with certain causes and it gets intense. She also believes in homeopathic cures for serious diseases and is against Western medicine.

R373, can you identify the logical fallacy your post represents in this thread?

Here's a nice list of logical fallacies and what they mean:

[bold]Anecdotal fallacy[/bold] - using a personal experience or an isolated example instead of sound reasoning or compelling evidence.

[bold]Appeal to probability[/bold] – is a statement that takes something for granted because it would probably be the case (or might be the case).

[bold]Argument from fallacy[/bold] – assumes that if an argument for some conclusion is fallacious, then the conclusion is false.

[bold]Base rate fallacy[/bold] – making a probability judgment based on conditional probabilities, without taking into account the effect of prior probabilities.

[bold]Conjunction fallacy[/bold] – assumption that an outcome simultaneously satisfying multiple conditions is more probable than an outcome satisfying a single one of them.

[bold]Masked man fallacy[/bold] (illicit substitution of identicals) – the substitution of identical designators in a true statement can lead to a false one.

[bold]Unwarranted assumption fallacy[/bold] - The fallacy of unwarranted assumption is committed when the conclusion of an argument is based on a premise (implicit or explicit) that is false or unwarranted. An assumption is unwarranted when it is false - these premises are usually suppressed or vaguely written. An assumption is also unwarranted when it is true but does not apply in the given context.

[bold]Argument from ignorance[/bold] (appeal to ignorance, argumentum ad ignorantiam) – assuming that a claim is true because it has not been or cannot be proven false, or vice versa.

[bold]Argument from (personal) incredulity[/bold] (divine fallacy, appeal to common sense) – I cannot imagine how this could be true, therefore it must be false.

[bold]Argument from repetition[/bold] (argumentum ad infinitum) – signifies that it has been discussed extensively until nobody cares to discuss it anymore;(sometimes confused with proof by assertion)

[bold]Argument from silence[/bold] (argumentum e silentio) – where the conclusion is based on the absence of evidence, rather than the existence of evidence.

[bold]Argument to moderation[/bold] (false compromise, middle ground, fallacy of the mean, argumentum ad temperantiam) – assuming that the compromise between two positions is always correct.

[bold]Argumentum ad hominem[/bold] – the evasion of the actual topic by directing an attack at your opponent.

[bold]Correlation proves causation[/bold] (cum hoc ergo propter hoc) – a faulty assumption that correlation between two variables implies that one causes the other.

[bold]False authority[/bold] (single authority) – using an expert of dubious credentials or using only one opinion to sell a product or idea. Related to the appeal to authority fallacy.

[bold]False dilemma[/bold] (false dichotomy, fallacy of bifurcation, black-or-white fallacy) – two alternative statements are held to be the only possible options, when in reality there are more.

[bold]False equivalence[/bold] – describing a situation of logical and apparent equivalence, when in fact there is none.

[bold]Moving the goalposts[/bold] (raising the bar) – argument in which evidence presented in response to a specific claim is dismissed and some other (often greater) evidence is demanded.

There are lots more, but this is a good list.

[quote]s if the same government that invaded Iraq under false pretenses and used depleted uranium weapons in Fallujah, causing a generation of grotesquely mutated babies to be born, were somehow too trustworthy and benevolent to allow a chemical spraying program to occur

No one has suggested that chemtrails are bunk because the government is so trustworthy and benevolent. Chemtrails are bunk because of the preponderance of evidence that a) they are just normal contrails b) a chemical spraying program such as those described by chemtrail kooks would be ineffective in altering anything about the air we breathe down here on Earth.

And c) would be outrageously expensive, and d) would not be tolerated by any commercial air-traffic which shave weight to the bone to save fuel and money, and e) there are infinitely more effective ways of doing just about everything claimed

"Chemtrails" doesn't even pass the sniff test.

R368/R369 should be a constant reference for everyone.

I kinda love the Venn Diagram of Irrational Nonsense... if only every American could look at that and understand it.

I am a diehard believer in chemtrails and I find them very concerning.

I am openminded and I find the points (except for "a") in R377/R378's posts to be very persuasive. I also liked R376's post and will copy and paste it to use in the future.

That said, I am still a believer because the trails that come out of the planes act so differently now than they did when I was growing up and they fill the sky with cloudcover in a way they never used to. I just can't reconcile what I see in the sky with even the most the sensible compelling arguments people make against their existing.

I just can't be argued out of believing what I see in the sky above my head.

[quote]I am a diehard believer in chemtrails and I find them very concerning.

You're a diehard, willful moron and gullible fool then.

There are REAL things to be worried about, and you're wasting your time and energy on this complete non-issue?

[quote]I am still a believer because the trails that come out of the planes act so differently now than they did when I was growing up

Why don't you look over the list in R376 and pick out which fallacy that falls under.

[quote] I just can't reconcile what I see in the sky with even the most the sensible compelling arguments people make against their existing.

Ditto that one.

As an exercise for you. And maybe it'll open your mind a little more to realize that those are both listed.

[quote]I just can't be argued out of believing what I see in the sky above my head.

So, facts won't sway you? As was said above, and I repeat here: "It's hard to reason someone out of a position they never reasoned themselves into."

Way to go R382, by carefully cutting out half my post you made it seem like I was close-minded and dense enough for you to use me as a "strawman."

What about how I said that I was considering the points others in the thread (who disagreed with me) were making and how I respected those on the other side.

Why can't we have a mature discussion about this. Both sides should be able to pose questions and make points and the other side should respond to them intellectually.

I'M willing to do that DESPITE the fact that this thread has an biased disparaging title. What are you deniers afraid of?

The only thing those of use who recognize the fact that "Chemtrails" aren't real are afraid of is that morons like you actually think you're being reasonable and rational. Seriously.

I have an idea: Go back and re-read R382. And re-read it again until you get it. Because that post focuses in on specific things you said, and calls you out on them, legitimately, and if your mind is as open as you claim it is, you'll GET IT.

Now, did you do the exercise? Did you identify how the lines of your post that were called out are logical fallacies, and thus not something you should be basing any conclusions on?

"I am still a believer because the trails that come out of the planes act so differently now than they did when I was growing up"

But they didn't. This is how the conspiracy loons get you to join their tribe, by TELLING you how different they are than they used to be. Suddenly you start noticing differences. What a surprise.

The personality type attracted to conspiracy explanations filters all information through that bias.

Anyone disputing their conclusions is obviously in on the conspiracy or is some hapless dupe.

They know better. No amount of contrary evidence will shake their conviction they have superior knowledge.

Kudos to the tireless person or persons who keep trying to shake them into reality.

It is a thankless task.

I believe Chemtrails are real because I can see them and they look different from normal contrails.

[quote])and I find them very concerning.

Shouldn't that be "I find them to be of great concern"?

Sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine. I hear people using "concerning" now and it sounds wrong.

R387, you and your fellow believers keep parroting that line over and over... but we've already established that they're not different than normal contrails.

r387 should post pictures of normal contrails vs. chemtrails so our vast braintrust can dissect the differences and offer either explanations or appropriate freakouts.

Be sure to include all relevant atmospheric conditions on the day of the photos.

Here you go, R390.

Some good pics here too, R390.

Here's another one.

Here's a lovely illustration of the two.

Kylie Jenner posted an Instagram photo of herself (of course) and the sky over her head. The chemtrails are pictured in the shape of a pentagram above Kylie. The home schooled genius responds with WTF? or some other intelligent comment.

This is proof the Kardashian clan are devil worshipers and responsible for the drought in Cali.

Kylie Jenner posted an Instagram photo of herself (of course) and the sky over her head. The chemtrails are pictured in the shape of a pentagram above Kylie. The home schooled genius responds with WTF? or some other intelligent comment.

This is proof the Kardashian clan are devil worshipers and responsible for the drought in Cali.

Kylie Jenner posted an Instagram photo of herself (of course) and the sky over her head. The chemtrails are pictured in the shape of a pentagram above Kylie. The home schooled genius responds with WTF? or some other intelligent comment.

This is proof the Kardashian clan are devil worshipers and responsible for the drought in Cali.

Sorry for the duplicates. The post button stuck and when it finally works it really works.

That happens to me too R398. This new format has a lot of glitches.

I've never commented on DL, but I have to thank [R188] for cracking me up for many days straight. I hope your're a regular.

R400 - Everything R188 said is actually true, even if you don't believe it, it's still true.

Don't bother replying to this post. I don't like the new system and won't be back, nor do I give a shit what you believe.

r188 here. I'm afraid that r401 is correct.

People have asked how TPTB will escape from the ticks and the poisonous chemicals if they are on the same planet, and the answer is simple. There are special Illuminati pharmacies staffed by Illuminati pharmacists that carry the vaccines that guard against the assault from the sky. The Illuminati have special charge cards that end in certain four digit sequences that can be recognized instantly by those in the know and once they are spotted, they automatically get their vaccines dispensed.

There are lots of businesses that cater to the Illuminati, including hotels and restaurants. The Illuminati grocery store of choice is of course Whole Foods. It's the only possible explanation for its continued existence.

Tonight on TMZ, Harvey showed some tape of a Z list celeb I never heard of going on and on about chemtrails! The entire newsroom was in hysterics. Why are there so may doofuses here at the DL?

Willful ignorance is the worst kind of ignorance... because unlike normal ignorance (which we ALL have in some area or another), it is immune to education. It persists even when facts are laid out right in front of it.

Willful ignorance? You must be talking about all the people who refuse to look up in the sky because they'll see things they can't explain...Chemtrails.

We had chemtrails spraying here yesterday. Today it is sunny but the sky is hazy white, the way it gets. Rain is expected tomorrow which is probably why the chemtrailed us yesterday.

I wonder if the people who are involved with this chemrrail conspiracy are somehow immune to the affects of the chemtrail chemicals.

R405, thanks for proving you're the willfully ignorant one. Jesus. You look up, see regular normal contrails, and magically invent this massive paranoid conspiracy in your head to try and explain them. What the fuck is wrong with you? You're clearly mentally ill. Get to a doctor and get some Haldol an lithium.

[quote]Get to a doctor and get some Haldol an lithium.

No need to see a doctor for lithium. It's falling out of our chemtrail-laden skies.

R409, just how stupid and gullible and misinformed are you?

R410, you are the one who cannot even see a massive coordinated effort of atmospheric modulation taking place in plain sight over your very head. I don't know what chemtrails are, or what their purpose is, or who is in charge of them.

I only know that they are there. They are real, and they didn't exist before the late 1990s. Airplane contrails do not behave the way chemtrails do. We never saw anything resembling chemtrails in the skies above until some time in the late 1990s. Before that, all planes simply left little contrails that quickly dissipated.

[quote]you are the one who cannot even see a massive coordinated effort of atmospheric modulation taking place in plain sight over your very head.

You're the one who sees a few things you clearly don't understand, and invents a fantasy of a massive conspiracy to coordinate atmospheric modulation out of whole cloth with absolutely no specific evidence for any such thing.

[quote]I only know that they are there. They are real, and they didn't exist before the late 1990s.

What you think you know, and what you actually now, are clearly not the same thing.

[quote]Airplane contrails do not behave the way chemtrails do.

Such an authoritative statement from someone who clearly has no idea how contrails behave.

[quote]We never saw anything resembling chemtrails in the skies above until some time in the late 1990s.

Another authoritative statement with no actual facts to back it up. Empty assertion is empty.

Kiss my ass, R412.

Some people don't get outside much. For all the non-believers out there, really you need to see for yourself. Those trails are different than they were when we were growing up. You oughta see for yourself before you post.

R414, that has all been explained to you before upthread. Your perceptions or misperceptions do not equate to scientific fact.

Why are we paying teachers more today when they clearly can't get through to students?

R415, do you think we're lying when we say chemtrails never appeared in the skies until the last 16 or 17 years?

If you can produced a photograph of airplane contrails that looks like chemtrails that can be verified as having been taken before, let's say, 1990, then you might have a point.

But you can't because there were were no chemtrails in the skies until the late 1990s. Go ahead, show me a picture of the skies taken in the 1980s that has anything remotely like chemtrails in it. You'll spend the rest of your life looking and you won't find any. Chemtrails are a relatively new phenomenon.

[quote][R415], do you think we're lying when we say chemtrails never appeared in the skies until the last 16 or 17 years?

You're not deliberately lying; you're just mistaken.

[quote] At the link is a whole gallery of "chemtrail"-esque photos dating back as far as 1940.

Oops, second part of 417 was supposed to go as follows:

[quote]If you can produced a photograph of airplane contrails that looks like chemtrails that can be verified as having been taken before, let's say, 1990, then you might have a point.

At the link is a whole gallery of "chemtrail"-esque photos dating back as far as 1940.

Yes Chemtrails are real. But you are mistaken in thinking they are spraying chemicals. That is just silly and outdated scientific vision. I will tell you what its really going on. These planes are actually spraying nanomachines at high enough altitudes so they can use ozone as their fuel source. Slowly and steadily these nanomachines are forming a giant nanoscopic blanket over our atmosphere, a sort nanomachine lattice. It is still not big enough to self sustain, but once it is it will start consuming most of the ozone in the atmosphere and then switch its energy source to ultraviolet radiation. Once this happens the government will have total control over our lives, deciding which countries or areas will stay under the protection of the nano lattice. Rebels and opponents will stop receiving protection and the lattice will dilate and allow the full force of the suns radiation through, obliterating the area below the opening. Failing that the nanomachines can act as monolithic magnifying glass, focusing sunlight into a superlaser with nanometric precision! Furthermore, modifications are being made to dope the lattice with nanomachines that will enhance satellite imaging not only to see you naked while you are taking a bath, but also to read your mind. In a Machiavellian twist these new versions will be able to penetrate tin foil hats as well. Bow down before our overlords, for we are truly doomed!

On my iPad it shows the new version of this site. I'm not sure I like all the changes, but one thing is good. Apparently everyone will be able to start topics now. Maybe things will finally be more democratic around here.

I'm not sure how to do it yet. But we need a new thread on this topic, but one with a non-biased, non-douche bag, title.

Maybe "What In the World Are They Spraying?" That's also the title of an important documentary that explores the topic.

The title of this thread isn't biased. It's honest.

Calling people "morons" because they disagree with you conclusions and/or have had different experiences than you is biased R421.

It's great that this thread has over 400 comments. It's an important issue and of great concern to many of us, but the disrespect that skeptics have shown to those who aren't completely in-line with "the official word" is pretty nasty...it also weakens their credibility.

Calling people morons because they're morons is just stating an observable fact.

It has nothing to do with 'disagreement'. It has to do with your willful ignorance and the insanity of believing in such stupid tin-hat conspiracy theories that have been debunked endlessly.

You're concerned about nothing. Meanwhile you're probably ignoring things you SHOULD be concerned about.... letting yourself get distracted by this mindless stupidity.

Chemtrail believers get exactly the level of respect they deserve and have earned.

People don't deserve respect because they dare to question things R424, or is it only a problem if I question you?

No, R425, they don't deserve respect because they ignore science, facts, perfectly sane and rational explanations, and insist on continuing to believe a ridiculous and obvious lie.

Stop trying to twist thing. That's a very typical strategy of people who know they're in the wrong but can't admit it. Republicans use this stupid tactic all the time.

That kind of logical fallacy just proves you deserve even LESS respect than I'm giving you.

(Hint: Questioning things is fine. Continuing to question things after the answer has been given clearly, and the question has already been put to bed, is tedious. And then after a little while longer, it becomes moronic.)

Belief is so often the death of reason... as these "Chemtrail Believers" have so clearly proven in this very thread.

Came across a radio station last night where they were talking about fairy dinners. At some fairy dinners, if you drink the wine you can disappear from the Earth without a trace - so some people slosh the wine on the floor or in a plant so it looks as though they drank the wine. It was a call-in show and all the callers were going along with this. Strange!

Marry me, R423/426!

How come people like R429 always want to marry the assholes? The stupidest nastiest comments on here always get people falling all over them. Chemtrails are real. Man up and deal with it!

R430, why do people like you always call those who are intelligent and simply lay it out like it is "assholes", and then defend utter willful stupidity and crazy tin-hat conspiracy theorists?

I think you have the definition of "asshole" backwards.

Chemtrails are bullshit. And you're an ignorant gullible fool to think otherwise.

Are people hallucinating when they see Chemtrails in the sky R431?

[quote]Are people hallucinating when they see Chemtrails in the sky [R431]?

No, they are looking at normal airplane contrails and imagining them to be something else.

It's like when a primitive sees magnets for the first time, and they assume it's demons.

They are ignorant people who fill the gaps in their ignorance with made up fantasize and magic.

Good analogy.

It's amazing to me how instantly some people make the leap from "I don't know" to elaborate explanations of what is "really" going on... and then become so certain that their made-up fantasy is real that they won't even listen to facts or reality.

The stupidity is what I find so shocking about these chemtrails morons.

[italics] I see vapor trails and they look different than they did 20/30/40/50 years ago! It's a vast government conspiracy![/italics]

Then some nice, normal person explains how fuel, engines, technology, and all kinds of things in aviation have changed over the years so, of course, there are differences in how vapor trails appear.

And then I swear to god, 20 posts later (if that) some fucking moron says the same thing again -

[italics] I see vapor trails and they look different than they did 20/30/40/50 years ago! It's a vast government conspiracy![/italics]

So some nice, normal person explains it to them again. This time they provide links, proof, scientific explanations, everything an intelligent person would need to understand exactly how and why vapor trails appear as they do today.

And then 20 posts later...

It's like arguing against bigotry with a racist. They are irrational so using rational arguments with them gets you absolutely nowhere. They cannot take in new information and process it the way a normal person does. Both the racists and the chemtrails nuts have attachments to these ideas have nothing to do with facts or intellect, it's all emotional and fear-based. They are attached to the stories they tell themselves, the stories don't have to be true.

Italics doesn't work anymore?

Okay then, good to know.

You need to use "italic" and "/italic" and not the plural form. It still works.

[italic]Oh, duh. Thanks R438.]/italic]

R29 Over my dead body! He's MINE!!!! I have been swooning over his writing, scientific knowledge and logic since page one of this thread.

OK. We can share.

I'm [/italic]closing[/italic] the italic tag for R439 who screwed it up.

[quote]They are irrational so using rational arguments with them gets you absolutely nowhere. They cannot take in new information and process it the way a normal person does

This is a perfect explanation, by the way. It's like their minds have become vapor-locked on this fantasy of theirs, and just cease to function.

Thank you, R441, I've been on the DL for more than 15 years - all of a sudden I can't format to save my dick.

Sorry.

[quote]Thank you, [R441], I've been on the DL for more than 15 years - all of a sudden I can't format to save my dick.

No doubt it's because chemtrails have poisoned your brain, r443.

The "hit the wrong bracket" typo is particularly annoying. I do that all the time. Stupid keyboard.

R436, it's not just that the trails LOOK different, they ACT different. They linger and spread and fill the sky, eventually bringing rain or a change in the weather.

[quote]They linger and spread and fill the sky,

Some contrails have always done that. If you didn't notice them when you were a kid, it's probably because a) there was less air traffic to create contrails back then and b) the "chemtrails" conspiracy theory had not yet been dreamed up, so you had no reason to spend your days staring up at jet contrails and paying special attention to the way they looked and acted.

[quote]eventually bringing rain or a change in the weather.

You've got your causes and effects all confused. It requires specific atmospheric conditions for contrails to form, spread and linger. Guess what? Those same conditions also affect the weather.

This new format is horrendous!

I loathe overhanging titles that you can't "x" out and take up half the screen.

Goodbye, DL., after 15 years. Was nice knowing you.

R446 = proof that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

People like him are born every second, R449.

[quote]They linger and spread and fill the sky, eventually bringing rain or a change in the weather.

I guess there have not been "chemtrails" over California in quite some time.

They are paid shills. They are paid to search daily for Chemtrail threads on the top hundred most visited websites, and paid to argue against them, whether or not they actually believe in Chemtrails.

Although they are "human", you are essentially arguing with a robot.

Monsanto wants to take over the entire food chain. The monopoly they have on the 80% isn't good enough. One of the main reasons for Chemtrails is to contaminate or prime the soil in a way that (eventually) only their seeds will take root.

Then the only food available to us will be GMO grown/produced foods, using their seeds, except for that which you grow with non-GMO seeds in your own backyard greenhouse.

So, be aware that they are not trolls. They are paid/compensated shills. Stop arguing with them and stop replying to them. They are paid to spread false information and dispute the truth. ***************************

"Control oil and you control nations, control food and you control the people." Henry Kissinger

More conspiracy bullshit from R452. It really is a mental illness. Seriously, you think any opposition to nonsense chemtrails silliness is coming from a mass organized conspiracy by some cabal to monitor top websites (of which I assure you Datalounge isn't one) in order to refute your nonsense?

Jesus.

Nobody here is a paid shill, moron. There are just intelligent people who actually understand science trying to educate you retarded tin-hat conspiracy morons who don't know what the fuck you're talking about. That's all.

God these Chemtrail fools are all over Twitter... they're worse than the Anti-Vaxxers!

Contrails

It was the hexagram of the heavens, it was the strings on my guitar.....6 white vapour trails across the bleak terrain.