Bodybuilding and Homophobia: Why Can't These Bodybuilders Admit That They're Gay?

Instead of trying to get people to admit something that isn't so, why don't you concentrate on your other failures in life.

Related thread.

Homophobes Pat Robertson and Rick Santorum should get together to measure their penile circumference while watching a Jeff Stryker video.

DUH.

As most studies have revealed, 80% of homophobes are men who are repressing their homosexuality/bisexuality due to their upbringing, generally a religious one.

Homophobic bodybuildig fans show great degree of anxiety regarding homosexuality. They are aware of the homoerotic nature of bodybuilding. That's why they police each other and need to use phrases such as "no homo" after every sentence when talking about other man's body.

They are more aware of the homoeroticism of bodybuilding than us so they need to fight it constantly.

Bob Paris lost the potential for endorsements etc once he came 'out'. Joe Weider distanced himself from Paris after that, not granting the Paris the usual accoutrements that other award winners received.

How many homophobes are there out there willing to have their penile circumference measured while watching gay porn???

What the hell was R1 trying to say, exactly?

There is an almost pathological need to heterosexualise bodybuilding, especially from those insecure about their own sexual orientation and/or gender expression (self-perceived lack of masculinity).

It is the insecure ones who make all of a fuss about homosexuality.

But regardless of their attempts (homophobic bodybuilding fans) to heterosexualise bodybuilding, there are tons of heterosexual bodybuilders doing exactly the opposite. How many heterosexua bodybuilders engage in G4P? Have you seen them during posedown? Have you seen them flexing their mucles right in the face of other men shamelessly? And they don't feel insecure for doing that nor do they think their heterosexuality is in jeopardy. They enjoy the staring.

Just have a look at this posedown video and how these bodybuilding are practically rubbing their muscles in front of the judging. No of them ashamed or questioning their own heterosexuality for those in the video who are heterosexuals. These bodybuilders are practically laughing their asses off at homophobes.

I thought Joe Weider was gay...

How about Eugen Sandow? It is told about him that he was bisexual.

Heterosexual male bodybuilders are always defying homophobes and their anxiety with homosexuality. Just look at how many heterosexual bodybuilders are working in the gay porn industry, how many of them strip in gay clubs, how many of them don't hasitate to be taken homoerotic pictures for gay-oriented magazines.

Zack

Different homosexual men who repress themselves have different ways to deal with their repression.

Usually, the violent homophobes are the ones who are having a hard time dealing with feelings they believe are "abomination" ever since they grew up thinking that way due to their upbringing. In a way, they hate themselves to a great extent at the same time that tehre is a great internal anxiety that other people might guess they are homosexuals, so, in order not to be seen as homosexuals they use violence so as to make people think they are completely heterosexuals and have nothing homosexual in them.

Because they fear men who think "brah" is a word will hate them.

Homophobia is a masquerade to pass off as heterosexual when you are not heterosexual.

Only a small portion of homophobes are actually heterosexuals and usually, in their case, their homophobia is related to feeling they are not masculine enough or plain malice.

In 50 years from now people will look at today's homophobia appalled by it.

Once more in Eeeengrish, R17?

R17, ya never know. Social progression is not always linear. Regression is just as much a part of human history as progress. There are huge undercurrents if global backlash globally.

Last night, I bumped into German news site and there was this articles about the homophobia in the forum bodybuilding.com in the misc section.

Apparently their disgusting homophobia is known worldwide.

Bodybuilding, as we all know, is not massive but a niche which for the most part attracts people with all sorts of insecurities.

If the homophobia found in bodybuilding is still not massively condemned by society it is because bodybuilding is a small scene that most people don't even want to spend one second of their life on.

However, today the internet makes their homophobia more visible and more voices are condemning homophobia in the bodybuilding world.

As soon as bodybuilding becomes more visible for society it will inevitably have to detach from homophobia and misogyny because they will ruin the already negative reputation bodybuilding has for most people. It is already happening in reals sports such as rugby where you will find lots of rugby players publicly participating in campaigns against homophobia.

If bodybuilding wants to be better perceived by society it will also have to say "NO" to homophobia.

I think the presence of very feminine or flamboyant gay men at competitions, events, and bodybuilding sites creates a backlash because most bodybuilders are embarrassed or repulsed by these openly gay guys. They don't want people to think they are involved with these gay fans so they lash out against gay dudes to deflect perceptions that they too are gay.

Usually, bodybuilders who are not homophobes or sexist in any way tend to isolate from the rest of bodybuilders. We may have a very low opinion on bodybuilders, but there are bodybuildrs who feel ashamed of those who are sexist in anyway. They feel they ruin the poor image bodybuilding has for society.

Many prefer to work out during hours when the problematic ones are not present.

R22

I find it hard to believe the famboyant ones will attend a bodybuilding contest. I tend to think they will rather feel threatened by the insecurity-derived homophobia of the spectators.

But certainly there are many reasons why homophobia in bodybuilding is rampant; repressed homosexuality, self-perceived lack of masculinity, etc.

As already mentioned. there are many factores involved that affect the reputation of bodybuildinf in the eues of the general population such as the use of drugs to artifitially enlarge muscles, the evident degree of narcissism bodybuilding triggers.

Among those factors that negatively affect the public image of bodybuilding is homophobia and other forms od sexism (misogyny, machism, etc).

Most sports are supporting campaigns to fight homophobia, except bodybuilding, although bodybuilding is not a sport.

I think it will be hard to free bodybuilding from homophobia and sexism in general because many bodybuild for sexist reasons and not because they have in mind to be role models in a moral sense.

Not all of them are repressed homosexuals but many are.

Makes sense to me, in a sad way, especially among "fans" who populate those forums. Their interest in bodybuilding in the first place is borne out of insecurity about their own bodies and masculinity, and the need to "fix" themselves and feel bigger / stronger / tougher by building up their muscles. They associate big muscles with masculinity; therefore anyone who has an interest in big muscles must be really masculine - right, brah? Bodybuilding is an escape mechanism, a way to feel control over their own image.

And when confronted with the possibility that their attention to their own and other's bodies is perceived as "gay" and therefore (in their minds) effeminate / weak, they feel themselves losing control over their image and lash out. "It's not gay, because I'm specifically interested in this because of how masculine it is!!"

Of course, then there are more enlightened people who understand they actually appear more confident and masculine by not being worried or threatened by the possibility of homosexuality (since it's so common in that space anyway) and brush off or speak out against homophobia.

The old Muscleservice forums were infested with this kind of thinking. Preening and Cro-Magnon in nature but all the while posting pictures of straight male porn stars open holes while fucking and praising it as `musclecunt`.

I'm not a 'bodybuilder' but I do workout out a lot. Gym, former MMA amateur and brown belt JiuJitsu. Over the years I've checked out forums dedicated to my hobbies and was horrified at the content. Such homophobia and sexism. A frequent debate was 'Would you rather a gay son or porn star daughter'. And you can guess the calibre of comments. I also noted that homophobes are also racist and sexist almost every time.

I've been lucky enough that my coaches/training buddies have been okay guys but I also never socialise with them outside the gym.

The bodybuilding.com truly is vile. It's incredible to think someone actually raised these idiots.

I love Bodyspace.

How about fitness models?

But as most of us might already know, homosexual and bisexual male bodybuilders are not a rarity in bodybuilding at all because muscularity is a common interest in men.

So, even though the homophobic portion of bodybuilders and bodybuilding fans desperately pursue to portray bodybuilding, muscularity and masculinity as a heterosexual characteristic, their attempt fails when seeing all the non-heterosexual male bodybuilders engaged in the "sport".

R27 Very good analysis. Pretty much what I have read in quite a few books about bodybuilding written by sociologists.

I get the feel that the majority of these guys have small penis or were abused or beaten during childhood. They're like male to male transgenders, with all the attendant role play and confusion.

I seriously don't understand why homophobia and other expressions of sexism are allowed in a site such as bodybuilding.com.

Do the managers think it helps the poor image bodybuilding has for society in apositive way?... O.o

Most sports are adhering to anti-homophobia campaigns, except bodybuilding, although bodybuildign is not a sport per se.

[quote]I seriously don't understand why homophobia and other expressions of sexism are allowed in a site such as bodybuilding.com.

The owners, publishers, may have the same insecurities too.

R36 In a way, they support homophobia.

I have read though, that "faggot" is not allowed to be used in that forum so the users made up the word "phaggot".

That's right r36. Phaggot for faggot and bish for bitch, sloot for slut. And of course no homo! They're all obsessed with being 'alpha' which his actually funny because every post is drenched in insecurity.

I'm not easily offended but the misc boards truly knocked me back. Posts saying you should beat/disown a gay son or that a father should shoot himself if his son is gay. Just as much hate speech aimed at blacks and women too.

But are they hot?

[quote]I seriously don't understand why homophobia and other expressions of sexism are allowed in a site such as bodybuilding.com.

It's no different than the bigotry that is "allowed" and or encouraged here at Datalounge.

For every 10 homophobes in bodybuilding there will be at least one heterosexual bodybuilder crossing the boudaries his sexual orientation in any form imposed by our patriarchal societies.

If you have ever met a few bodybuilders you might already know that some of these men find some degree of sexual gratification in showing their bodies for an adience regardless of their sexual orientation and gender. Some like to feel like a god on stage, etc etc.

For example, there is a rule for contests that says bodybuilders should wear posing suits that must cover the zone "decently", however, it is not uncommon that many of these men wear very small posing suits on stage which are evidently more revealing. In other cases, you can see that some bodybuilders perform very erotically charged posing routines and, we must not forget that most of the audience is predominatly males. It is not that these bodybuidlers are intersted sexually in men, they just love the act of enticing people regardless of their sexual orientation and gender ever since you are om a stage exhibiting your body for its beauty.

Things like that also make homophobes anxious about bodybuilding because simply many bodybuilders defy heterosexuality as such.

So much blathering and armchair analysis about something so unimportant.

R42 Most topics here are unimportant yet you're still here discussing unimportant things. That's the fun of all this^^

Most average same-sex people don't ever admit they are gay. Why would bodybuilders be any different?

[quote]Most average same-sex people don't ever admit they are gay.

Where does this factoid come from?

How about powerlifters, are they less homophobic than bodybuilders? I assume most guys on sites like bodybuilding.com are guys in their late teens/early twenties. The majority of straight guys in that age group are (secretly) homophobic.

It is even more evident they are closeted cases when their discussions are heavily focused on the penis in the anus and they let they imagination run free on this.

It must be subconsciously liberating because repressing your sexual orientation is a hard task.

This is like semen, sooner or later it will come out.

"Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli."

Many, though by no means all, homophobes are homophobes because they are threatened by their vulverability to homoeroticism.

I think I kind of admire all those bodybuilders who are homosexual and bisexual who have to deal with homophobia everyday in their gyms and competitions and have to build a strong character not to let this bring them down in any way and just do their thing quietly.

My heart breaks for these men and the trials they face because they are gay. It just is so unfair. What can we, ordinary citizens, do to bring an end to this holocaust? Words, my friends, are not enough.

Let's brainstorm and come up with practical and effective solutions to show solidarity with these delicate giants....our gay brothers in thongs.

r45, unless you think the 1.5 to 3 percent of people who identify as gay/bi in current surveys is accurate or close to accurate.

I have never gone to any bodybuilding contests in my whole life, perhaps there are some guys here who have gone to one and could tell us, but I get the feeling that regardless of sexual orientation most can sense at least a little air of eroticism considering that this is about a bunch of men who have almost no clothes on doing those poses that are somehow erotically charged and sometimes those racy posing routines...

[quote]It must be subconsciously liberating because repressing your sexual orientation is a hard task. This is like semen, sooner or later it will come out.

LOVED THIS!

They're not gay but they really love trannys

[quote]It must be subconsciously liberating because repressing your sexual orientation is a hard task. This is like semen, sooner or later it will come out.

A little diversion here, but may be relevant to the discussion. When is "gay", "gay"? Work with me here...

I've recently watched two webseries; In one of them, one individual knew that he was gay. His childhood friend, (friends since 7 or 8 years old), was straight--or so he thought. To make a LONG story short; the "straight" friend realizes that he is in love with his friend since childhood, and a relationship builds from that.

Second series; Two best friends. One hides that he is gay, but is in love with the friend who he knows is straight. Things happen, (drunken evening), and the straight friend, (after some drama), realizes that he is really in love with the gay friend, and a relationship builds from that.

I know... the movies. But, here's the question; Are these people, who thought they were straight, now truly gay? Or, are these simply people who just fell in love with someone?

Now, how it relates to this discussion; Bodybuilding is FULL of homo-eroticism, and the "straight" guys know this, and "get off of this", as someone noted. Given that, could these guys be more susceptible to a same-sex relationship than say the regular straight male? And if so, does that make them gay, or just someone who has fallen for someone who happens to be of the same sex?

you can admire or appreciate something without erotically desiring it.

R55 I think that for the heterosexual male bodybuilder and bodybuilder fan who are homophobic, their battle is against their self-perceived lack of masculinity since most think that lack of masculinity is a homosexual trait.

For them, muscularity projects that masculine air they are looking for because they think of themselves are not masculine enough, so whenever the "sport" shows its homoerotic nature they will fight that with homophobia.

I'm training to be a photojournalist and our school is right next to the gym...meaning we end up there a lot to practice various techniques (mostly because of the lighting and opportunity to capture action shots.)

One thing I've noticed is that the bodybuilders, especially the men love being asked to be photographed. I'll even notice other bodybuilders make a little more effort to be acknowledged if a student photographer is focusing their attention on one person. Not only that, but a straight bodybuilder in the class seems to have found a passion for photographing good looking, muscular men (they make up 50% of his subjects.) No wonder a lot of gay porn sites try to recruit models from bodybuilding.com.

R58 Has any bodybuilder asked you to photograph him?

No, hasn't happened yet.

Bodybuilding is contradictory in all senses and I think we can all agree on this. On one hand, it seems to celebrate the heterosexist concept of masculinity, you know, the alpha male look that women love; on the other hand, it defies this conception of masculinity because of its highly homoerotic nature.

If a man wants to plunge himself into bodybuilding he then should know that he will enter a world where homoeroticism is naturally present. You better acknowledge it and embrace it.

[quote]I'm training to be a photojournalist and our school is right next to the gym.

Yes! I discovered the same during PhoJo training at a school in Indiana. I began my first assignment aiming my camera at a gym hunk.

Bodybuilders are constantly crossing the boundaries, g4p is the most evident of them all.

In the end, bodybuilding is closer to striptease than it is to sports. All you do is showing off the body and being judged by your looks.

I just find it funny and interesting that whenever I read about bodybuilding and homosexuality in most forums dedicated to bodybuilding there are still users wondering if there are homosexual bodybuilders in the scene, haha. Others believe homosexual bodybuilders are rare, haha!

Truth is there are much more homosexual and bisexual bodybuilders in the bodybuilding world than most of those people might think and that is simply because they are men and muscularity is a common interest among men. Sexual orientation has no relevance in this.

However, cultural conditioning forces them to think of homosexual men as intrinsically effeminate and there is where they draw the separating line between Us and Them.

You're right, R64.

Side note, that bodybuilding.com website is so disgustingly homophobic, I refuse to even go there now for my supplement research. It's hilarious to see, though, have naked guys saying "no homo" to each other or being very homophobic in general. It's a shitty website.

Body building is gross.

R64 The "no homo" tag is so hilarious. That tag is the very evidence that they can see how homo-erotic bodybuilding is XD

Just remember, most homophobes are repressed closeted cases.

Denial?

And this for an audience comprised of men for the most part :P

Of course, on forums they all complain; in the hall they all scream excited for those glutes :P

I wonder how many of those homophobic guys on bodybuilding.com jerkoff to gay porn regularly.

That site should be studied for one of those roots of homophobia studies.

Extract. In its role as a facilitator of the most exaggerated forms of masculinity, bodybuilding has come to be considered its living, iconic representation. No one can seriously argue that male bodybuilding is liberating. This is in large part due to the insecurity that underlies the excessive search for muscle. The irony between exaggerated displays of male-muscle and masculine insecurity finds its most pernicious manifestation in "femiphobia" (fear of being considered feminine). Hence, muscle is denial; fear that not being "man-enough" constitutes being a woman. This denigrates both genders: men for insisting upon a gender straitjacket that few can handle; and women for reducing them to a handful of weak characteristics.

-AMERICAN SPORTS - KLEIN: An Anthropological Approach-

This speaks about homophobes who are not closeted cases but who have issues with their gender expression, that is, those who feel are not "masculine enough".

R71, how do you know they're not closet cases? That seems like typical closet-case behavior to me.

R72 In the case of heterosexual men. certainly they don't feel attrcated to the same sex so that is not their battle. However, some heterosexual men have issues with their masculinity, some feel they don't look or behave "masculine enough" so some of them might start bodybuiding so as to build up that "masculinity" they feel they lack.

Right, R73, but how do you know these men are straight? If they tell they're straight, you believe them? Did the study directly point out they were heterosexual and there was evidence of this? As in there was documented arousal to women? Because if guy claims he's straight, that doesn't mean he is. Closet cases lie. They're liars by nature. Lying is second nature to them.

R74 Probably you are talking from the pre-conceived idea that homosexual men are inherently effeminate and heterosexual men are inherently masculine.

Truth is sexual orientation doesn't determine how masculine a man will be. Most of our gender expression is acquired be it you heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual or asexual.

As a matter of fact, in ancient times, effeminacy was strongly associated with heterosexual men; not homosexual men.

So obviously there are many heterosexual men who don't conform to the expectations of masculinity society forces them to embrace and make display of.

I don't believe homophobes are necessarily closet cases. My father and most of my uncles are homophobes so are they all secretly gay? My father cheated on my mother for many years with multiple women.

If the homophobe is obsessed with homosexuality and bashing gays, then he or she is probably repressing their same sex attractions but there are many heterosexuals who simply feel that homosexuality isn't natural or normal and that two men or two women having sex is disgusting. Their aversion to homosexuality has nothing to do with being a closet case.

If most homophobes are secretly gay, then most gay men on DL are secretly straight because they spend their time bashing fraus and heterosexuality. Are they repressing opposite sex desires? ;-)

[quote]If most homophobes are secretly gay, then most gay men on DL are secretly straight...

Most of datalounge is closeted. There was poll to show this. The thread has since been deleted unfortunately. The average age of this site is also 39-49. So, a majority of the closeted homophobes are middle-aged and old - which is pathetic.

Closeted gay men and the closet itself is the very definition of homophobia.

Not all homophobes are closeted but most are and not all of them experience the same degree of same-sex attraction since there are also bisexuals who are closeted.

Homophobia in heterosexual men has more to do with not feeling masculine enough and they desperately try to disassociate of anything they feel it is feminine.

Funny thing is that bodybuilding is a blend of masculine and feminine characteristics; they hypermasculine look and the shaving and waxing is one example.

Homophobia is also a social construct, you learn to be one; no one is born homophobe.

What proof do you have R78 that most homophobes are closeted?

Most of the Arab world is extremely homophobic and gays get killed every day because of their orientation. Does that mean most Arabs are gay?

It's very simplistic to say homophobia = repressed homosexual. There are many reasons for homophobia.

Religion and misogyny are the two main reasons and then you have people who hate homosexuality just because they do. They just find it disgusting and unnatural.

Many men on DL have expressed their dislike or sometimes even hatred of women. Does that mean they are secretly attracted to women? If I'm using the logic that hatred of homosexuality = repressed homosexual desires then hatred of women = repressed attraction to women, no?

You can dislike something just because you do. There are plenty of gays obsessed with bashing heterosexuality. Are they repressed heterosexuals?

It makes many gay men feel better to believe that most homophobic straight men that they lust after, are secretly gay.

Truth is, most heterosexuals have some form of aversion to homosexuality. It's not because they tolerate it that they like it.

R79 Will this do?

Forget about Man love Thursdays, R79.

[quote]Many men on DL have expressed their dislike or sometimes even hatred of women. Does that mean they are secretly attracted to women?

Jealousy and probable mental illness.

[quote]There are plenty of gays obsessed with bashing heterosexuality. Are they repressed heterosexuals?

I have to read about gay men bashing straight couples who walk down the street at night.

You could be right about homophobes not being all gay, I just have yet to meet one or read about one.

R71, fantastic point. It always surprises me that more of us don't think about it. But, being gay doesn't preclude misogony, obviously. "Mommy issues"; probably.

Has anyone considered sending this thread to the Editors of bodybuilding.com to see if we could corral them into this discussion? I know that there is a Rogan Richards thread, and VOILA! the real Rogan Richards popped in to speak for himself!

It would be interesting to read/learn their perspective. Either they would think that we would be totally off, or make some valid points.

[quote]As a matter of fact, in ancient times, effeminacy was strongly associated with heterosexual men; not homosexual men.

Where can I read more about this? Thanks!

There are several studies on homophobia and its link to repressed/latent homosexuality. 80% of homophobes are either homosexual or bisexual people en reality.

Perhaps some of us behaved like homophobes before accepting ourselves so we should know how homophobia works. The subconscious fear of being perceived as homosexual so you fight by behavinbg as the total opposite of it.

The rest of people who are not repressing their homsoexuality/bisexuality are homophobes for other reasons, in more exact words, because they have issues with masculinity and since society has told them that homsoexual men are weak and "unmasculine" they see us as a threat, asi if we are pointing them out as feminine in some way.

R80, the video you linked to showed that the homophobic men seemed to have bisexual tendencies but were still more turned on by straight and lesbian porn.

I agree that many homophobic straights are either closeted bisexuals or homosexuals but I'm saying that there are many other reasons for homophobia. Misogyny, strong religious beliefs, fucked up views of masculinity and femininity and the belief that homosexuality goes against nature can all cause a 100% heterosexual person to have homophobic views.

The heterosexual homophobe sees homosexual men as weak and effeminate and he is trying to disassociate from that because he himself feels he is not masculine enough. They have been forced to think of homosexual men as inherently effeminate and weak.

They think like this; homosexual = effeminate behavior = lack of masculinity.

They have issues with gender expression, how masculine they look and behave. They don't have issues with their sexual orientation because they don't feel attracted to the same sex.

So not all forms of homophobia are derived from repressed homosexuality but in most cases it is related to it.

Sooo many trees! Sooo many gays!

Bodybuilders still hold on to steretypical and outdated ideas about masculinity and gay men.

But the fact is that masculinity is not a heterosexual trait, masculinity doesn't have anything to do with sexual orientation and, considering the amount of gay and bisexual male bodybuilders you will find in bodybuilding they should already have clear that there are as many masculine gay men as there are masculine heterosexual men.

In a way, bodybuilding is a desperate need to make others believe something about yourself whether or not you have it.

Science says otherwise R86. Of course there is no way anybody in modern Western society really believes there is anything "evil" about homosexuality.

No desire, none, for a bunch of open homophobes who hosted the likes of Elliot Rodger migflucks to invade out space. The REAL question, troll, is why would YOU? But am sure, given previous experience with you unrepentant, manipulative, creepy bigots, that you are going to try to sell that weenyboy mra 'it would be interesting to hear their pov' nonsense over and over till you crap yourself. If you're really so, so sincerely 'interested', why don't you just go over there, create an account, and 'find out'?

Last time I watched a bodybuilding contest online it was held in Mexico a few months ago and I recongnized a lot of bodybuilders who did and still do G4P, especially homoerotic videos for known companies.

Some of those male bodybuilders are married; some single.

So, not all male bodybuilders are homophobes; some of these heterosexual male bodybuilders are more than comfortable with showing themselves naked for other men.

What does bodybuilding.com homophobes have to say about this? hahahaha

So tell me R90, one of my friends parents kicked him out of the house when he was 16 because he was gay. He's from Kentucky. Do you think his parents are closeted gays?

How many teenagers have been disowned by their families because of their homosexuality?

Just saying, there are many other reasons for homophobia besides repressed homosexuality.

Middle Eastern, African, South American and many Asian countries are deeply deeply homophobic and gay people get tortured or killed for being gay. They are also usually deeply misogynistic. Homophobia and misogyny go together.

Exactly, that one study was not meant to be representative of overall society. People hate things that are different, and most people that are homophobic are so because homosexuality seems so foreign and repugnant to them. Most homophobes are not gay.

Studies show most homophobes are repressing some degree of latent homosexuality.

Most; not all of them.

R84 In the ancient Greek and Roman world the concept of effeminacy was not necessarily linked to homosexuality, for the simple reason that, to start with, the categories of homosexual and heterosexual did not exist in the minds of the majority of people. In fact, several ancient writers called many heterosexual men "effeminate". In ancient Greek World there was the idea that an effeminate man spent time with women since through contact with them he assumed their thoughts and gradually became more womanly.

Interesting discussion. One of the more interesting on DL.

Is it possible that we're reading too much into this? I mean... couldn't bodybuilding simply be narcissism and nothing more than that?

If I were a straight bodybuilder I would yell this to everyone on this thread;

"If I can accept that you are gay, why can't you accept that I am straight?"

We are not going to save the world posting on forums. most threads here are of no importance so let's keep it rolling^^

I have no clue what R97 is talking about.

To R99

R97 is saying that gay men want straight men to respect their sexuality but do not respect straight men's sexuality in return.

It seems that attitudes in any outfit, any endeavor, are set at the top and filter down. For instance, a store with hostile customer service usually turns out to be run by a angry cheat, and his employees are simply following his lead.

So it might well be that most of the homophobia in bodybuilding derives from intense gay-hatred on the part of the men who ran the sport when it became professionalized in the 1950s, and by the men who ran it after them. They institutionalized it.

Of course, with some straights, you don't have to go that far. They're born haters, period. And it's absurd to believe that all homophobia comes from closet cases. You can hate something different from you. Islam hates the West--and what could be different from Islam than the civilization of Shakespeare and Beethoven?

Flaming from liberal Islam-loving freaks in 3...2...

What does that have to do with homophobia in bodybuilding? I'm supposed to respect his homophobia?

Homophobia is unnatural, it is a cultural conditioning stemming from patriarchy.

Define homophobia R103

R104 You don't know what homophobia is?

It is sometimes weird to read the weird ideas some have about homosexuality, especially when you read bodybuilding.com

Probably, many of them, afraid of their latent homosexuality just succumb to prejudices and exaggerated thoughts that come to their minds.

So, this is the guy mentioned in R68.

...and him again!

That is the guy of the controversy a few months ago.

Are his videos targeting gay guys or girls?

He is targeting gays R109. So, is he being entrepreneurial, or getting "something" out of his system?

He's a fitness model, not a bodybuilder.

Hmm, from outside, when reading those people on bodybuilding.com, apart from giving you the impression that they are obvioulsy having issues with their sexuality, it seems like bodybuilding or the bodybuilding subculture creates bullies.

It is interesting because often times you will read they want bodybuilding to have a better reputation among the general puplic yet they keep behaving like antisocials, misogynistic, homophobic, sexists in general.

Hmm... being a bodybuilder, being a fan of bodybuilding and at the same time being homophobic is an oxymoron.

Has anybody ever seen how homo-erotic those contests are?

Even I, a guy who likes guy would feel very intimidated and would blush tremendously if other guys would start flexing and literally rubbing their muscles right in my face with a crowd around as it happens in this video.

Not saying they are gay, probably some are as it is natural that some may be, but the fact is that they are practically rubbing their muscles in the faces of the audience and the judges.

If this is not erotically-charged then I don't know what is...

[quote]It is sometimes weird to read the weird ideas some have about homosexuality, especially when you read bodybuilding.com Probably, many of them, afraid of their latent homosexuality just succumb to prejudices and exaggerated thoughts that come to their minds.

They should learn from these guys...

Those guys all look like huge kaweens.

If there were more onpenly gay and bisexual bodybuilders and these homophobes could evidence that masculinity has nothing to do with heterosexuality or sexual orientation some of those sexually insecure bbing.com guys would feel much less anxious when addressing homosexuality.

[quote]It is sometimes weird to read the weird ideas some have about homosexuality, especially when you read bodybuilding.com Probably, many of them, afraid of their latent homosexuality...

and that's what I think it is. Take a look at the linked video. You don't have to watch the whole thing but below is a sampling of the comments. Remember, these guys are offering FREE advice, and no one is required to watch it. Now, it's my opinion that when you work hard for a better body you should show it, but I suppose that would be "too" gay? As someone pointed out; the biggest insult to a man is to be called gay...

-steroids like no tomorrow

-Awesome lisp on the dink in the black. You can't lift enough to rid yourself of the adorable speech impetiment too funy

-Honest question. Are these guys gay?

-Wearing re exact same clothes like two fags. Wearing sunglasses inside like Mib or something lol

-If I saw these two together like that, my 1st thought would have been.. queers for each other.

-As much as I don't like to disparage fellow bodybuilders, this video really makes these two seem like not only a pair of asshats, but also extremely gay (not that there's anything wrong with that, but I doubt it was their intention). I've actually met a few "freaky" pros, and it's not wise whenever you yourself proclaim to be a "freak", as the comparisons aren't likely to be favorable. It's this kind of foolishness that makes bodybuilding misjudged, so thanks Jersey Shore.

-i cant never understand these people wearing tight ass out fits like we know your big blah blah blah blah no reason to wear skin tight shirts morons

-lol the dude in the yellow wtf? could your pants be any tighter? they look like girl pants with the decorative back pockets. this is why people that bodybuild have a bad rap cuz of idiots like these two

-MY GOD.... fags and why do you have to ware shades in the mall acting all cool

-LMAO!!!!! its cool you guys are jacked and shiit, But you guys make this sport look Like Idiot shit. sunglasses inside??? and one of you has a purse??? extra small tanks.. sorry but you guys are making yourselves look like superficial pretentious Juiced up Chooches!...

-This video is gayer than the time I accidentally clicked on gay porn.

-These guys are total fags...The earrings, chain necklaces, too much hair gel, feminine sunglasses, lack of knowledge on nutrition (clearly on gear though), the lisp and the fucking HUMMER at the end to name a few. Funniest part is they actually think they are cool. LMFAO.

-My only issue with this is they chose to walk around a fucking mall with tank tops, trying to impress who? families going clothes shopping with their kids? come on, that shit's embarrassing. (THE WINNER!)

Apparently these are some well known guys but they were trashed on this video.

I remember to have watched a few videos of Matt Ogus on Youtube before all the fuss. He seemed to ejoyed what he was doing. I believe he is heterosexual, but he, just like many other heterosexual male bodybuilders enjoyed the appreciation he received from guys, probably it is reaffirming for the ego in an activity that is as shallow as the surface of the sea. Probably, in the privacy of his mind he is not homophobic and that is why he dared do G4P without the prejudices his peers make great display of.

When his peers found out about his G4P they made a fuss out of it. He had to stop doing it, otherwise he was risking ostrazation and losing his privilidged position as part of the very shallow concept, "aesthetics crew".

If his peers hadn't found out I think he would still be doing G4P, but the pressure exerted by his peers homophobia stopped him.

It is no wonder that there are many bodybuilder who hate the bodybuilding world and try to avoid their peers by training at hours when the gym is almost empty.

Go and body build. If you haven't done it you don't know. When you build a body that muscular you feel great and as a result are proud to so it off. Nudity doesn't bother you.

R115 Parker Gregory is gay? He is a model, for those who don't know. That is interesting because I saved his pics seven years ago when he just started modeling. At that time he said he had a girlfriend.

I looked at other articles about Velvet Gloves and what a surprise all the trainers are straight including Parker Gregory. Vance Garrett is a typical gay man. The boxing club is only about fulfilling (many) gay men's fantasies of being around heterosexual men. None of the trainers are actual boxers btw.

Those wackos on bodybuilding.com only mess with the gay guy they feel is weaker than them. They don't mess with the gay bodybuilder who is massive and looks dangerous.

That site attracts insecure people who obviously have issues with themselves. Their violence speaks for itself.

We could call it a "sweet revenge" the fact that so many heterosexual bodybuilders do webcam shows for gay guys and don't even care what the insecure ones might say about them. ^__^

R122 What revenge? Have you seen any JimmyZ production? Gay men worshipping muscular hetero men is gay men's revenge? No. There are many hetero guys who have done gay porn or stripped or done webcams and they all go back to leading normal lives. Gay men are under the impression that they become outcast, that straight guys don't want to be around them anymore. Matt Ogus who did do webcams didn't lose any friends. He's only gotten more friends in fitness since he did webcams.

R123 Are you aware of the fact that when people saw he was doing G4P he was heavily criticized that he then even had to make a video explaining he was not gay and stuff like that because the world he belongs in is full of homophobes who were not approving of his G4P?

He was risking losing his "friends" if he didn't stop with the G4P thing.

The Aesthitics Crew is a sort elistist movement with homophobic attitude.

A lot of dudes are jealous of buff or swole guys. The most effective way to insult a dude is to call him gay or feminine. It is a very potent way to insult or diminish a dude.

R125 They muscle guys treat each other like that everyday when they dislike each other. They don't need outsiders to treat then that way; they already do themselves.

R124 He was called names by a very small number of people he didn't even know.

Serge Henir did webcam shows. He now does bodybuilding videos for YouGiftedBB.

Gay men need to get in their heads that heterosexual guys can get passed other heterosexual guys doing gay porn or stripping for men. Heterosexual guys are won't get passed a guy who is actually gay. You at most see hetero guys be acquaintances with gay men, very rare see genuine friendships.

[quote]At that time he said he had a girlfriend.

Didn't we all...

R127, can you rewrite your post in standard English?

[quote]Gay men need to get in their heads that heterosexual guys can get passed other heterosexual guys doing gay porn or stripping for men.

Ya know... you have "something" here. I think this is the curiosity angle. How many of us have thought that it would be "fun" to do a porn movie but NEVER would we consider doing it? However, we always wonder... Could it be the same thing here too? Look... bodybuilding is HARD work and requires a lot of discipline. If you are successful you want to show it off. Although I have a problem with it I could see a straight buff guy being a go-go boy and giving lap dances in a gay club. I mean they're getting the admiration that they crave and what are they really doing? Grinding against some other man's crotch and feeling a hard on? As long as the hard on isn't going in anywhere I could possibly see a straight guy doing that. What's a kiss? Ya just close your eyes and think of something else.

If I were a girlfriend or wife I could "possibly" (a big possible) accept my man doing such work.

I know a bunch of bodybuilders who are homosexual and bisexual. I had the experience of sleeping with one once. I know others who are competitive bodybuidlers and others who are ocasional competitors who most of the time work as gogo dancers and strippers or have ordinary jobs.

It is my experience and conclusion that there are FAR more homosexual and bisexual bodybuilders than homophobes would like to admit. Some have a cose group of msucle friends and other just don't socialise much with other bodybuilders, they just work out and hoem back home.

Homophobes in bbing are generally the young ones whose motivation to bodybuild stems from isecurities that range from feeling they are not masculine enough as society demands to obviously latent homosexuality which they equate with effeminacy and weakness and that they must delete from their self.

R131 Most heterosexual bodybuilders got in to bodybuilding because they trained for sports in high school. They didn't get in to bodybuilding because of insecurities.

I look at instagram and many other websites daily. I rarely see gay bodybuilders. There are fit gay men but they don't build bodies for competitive bodybuilding or physique shows. Most of the gay bodybuilders I know got into the sport relatively late (mid 20s to late 30s).

R129 I'll rewrite what I wrote at R127 Gay men need to understand that heterosexual guys can get passed other heterosexual guys doing gay porn or stripping for men. Heterosexual guys won't get passed a guy who is actually gay. At most hetero guys will be acquaintances with gay men. Heterosexual guys rarely have genuine friendships with gay men.

[quote]I look at instagram and many other websites daily. I rarely see gay bodybuilders.

How do you really know that? How many people readily admit that they are gay? "Hi! I'm a gay bodybuilder! Pleasure to meet ya!" Also, anyone can say they are straight but are they?

I think what's important to consider here too is the audience. Most of those guys with videos on YouTube have a following of high schoolers. I mean think about it... how many people over the age of say, 25, are watching Rich Piana, Tiger Fitness, The Hodge Brothers (simply nerve wracking), Jeff Seid, and the many others?

The only one who I would say that has a legitimate following that I know of is Scooby1961, and that's because his angle is that you don't have to spend a lot of money to get fit. He gives practical advice. I suppose that is why "someone" went after him months back to scare him off of YouTube because his subscription number is HUGE.

So, really what type of money is being made here? Do you REALLY think that a lot of other bodybuilders are looking at these channels? They already know this stuff. Thus the audience is mostly young kids, and gay guys.

Now, let's look at the shows. Who attends? Other bodybuilders, their wives/girlfriends, family members, AND we gays. How many straight people do you know attend bodybuilding competitions like it was a baseball or basketball game? Like ModelMayhem these guys are looking to be the next fashion model, supplement spokesperson, etc and will not even come close to making it, however... that "gear" has to get paid somehow and although there are women who do like the bodybuilder/fitness model look, I don't know any woman who is covering the costs of their man's gear.

Like the guy in the link. He's straight--this week anyway. He has a girlfriend... or did, and besides a regular job makes a lot of his money from gays, and gay events. I suppose you could justify this to a woman but... I happen to know that if the price is right...

Anyway, for most of these guys its about ego. Probably "some" were insecure etc, but it's more about ego. So, why can't they admit that they are either gay, or participate in something that attracts a large gay audience?

AND (I forgot this) be much more respectful of their gay audiences?

R132 As it has been already mentioned, the bodybuilding world is full of homophobia and one of the most prevalent motivations to go to the gym and put on muscle is insecurities and there are as many expressions of insecurities that drive some people to bodybuilding as there are leaves on a tree.

Most LG male bodybuilders simply stay silent, they will not go around telling about their boyfriends because the others will discriminate against them, they will ostracize them and it could possibly affect their career when competing.

Obviously, not all bodybuilders are homophobes and not all bodybuilders are heterosexuals but the group mentality even if not widespread is homophobic. That's why you assume that haven't seen gay bodybuilders because they don't speak about their sexual orientation in a sick world that is full of sexism.

Sorry, I meant Gay and Bisexual male bodybuilders in my previous post.

R133 and R135 can not be talked to because you live in a fantasy world where you imagine people are gay. If you want to imagine every guy who has a girlfriend is secretly gay or that every heterosexual bodybuilder got into bodybuilding because they are secretly insecure about themselves and not because they developed a habit of training for high school sports and decided to continue at a higher level when they are no longer in school sports that is your issue. Thinking men might be secretly gay doesn't satisfy me.

Lots of straight guys attend bodybuilding shows. Look below.

thank you, r137. The delusional gay men that go around claiming every straight guy is secretly gay really are annoying and delusional, and make normal gay guys look desperate and bonkers.

Look up Bob Pairs.

R137 Apparently you haven't understood. No one is saying all bodybuilders are gay or bisexual, what is being said is that there are a lot of bodybuilders who are gay and bisexual and that's perfectly logical because a man is a man and men tned to share some interests in general such as muscularity.

Also, it was said and it is scientifically proven that most homophobes are repressed homsoexual and bisexual people. Proven many times. Now, not all forms of homophobia stem from latent homosexuality; there is also the case of people, especially heterosexual men who feel they are not masculine enough who start bodybuilding to build a hypermasculine body as a way to release the anxiety they suffer from seeing themselves as "less of a man" and here is when they act as homophobes because for them, projecting a complete "masculine persona" they must reject any trace of femininity (femiphobia/misogyny)and links to homosexuality which is a constanta struggle because the activity oozes homoeroticism in every corner.

Again, no one is saying ALL bodybuilders are gay, Just there are many bodybuilder sin the bodybuilding world who are gay and bisexual and they are not a rarety in that world at all.

There are many books about this topic, probably the most renowned of all is Little Big Men by Alan klein who evidenced himself the contradiction in bodybuilding regarading homosexuality and homophobia in this muscle world.

R140, name and cite all the scientific studies showing that homophobic men are secretly gay. I know of one study from the University of Georgia from over a decade ago that asserted that, but it has not been replicated by other studies. Cite all these studies you claim exist.

"homophobes are repressed homosexual and bisexual people" --- George Rekers, Larry Craig, Ted Haggard, Eddie Long, etc., etc., etc.

I see some people have reading comprehension difficulties.

Read this:

From the book "Sandow the Magnificent: Eugen Sandow and the Beginnings of Bodybuilding"

Are bodybuilding contests really beauty pageants in disguise? Many have thought so both in Sandow's and our own times. Brian Pronger calls physique competitions "homoerotic burlesque", contending that unlike straight burlesque shows, where the erotic message is upfront, "bodybuilding exploits gay irony by passing its eroticism off as 'athletic" (The Arena of Masculinity: Sports, Homosexuality, and the Meaning of Sex[New York: St. Martin's Press, 1990], 170)

It must be admitted, however, that male bodybuilders are obsessed witht he male body-both their own and their competitors. Does this mean they are either closet homosexuals or narcissists? Since there has never been any scientifi study, this question must be begged for the moment. Until we know what goes on in the secret recesses of a person's mind, it is a fascinating as it is fruitless to speculate.

Gawd, those two bodybuilders at the mall were DULL. The tall one in the yellow tank has a big hot ass he enjoys showcasing in tight jeans though, so there's that...

I was watching a youtube video of Kai Greene and there was this user who commented on the video and this bodybuilder's G4P past.

It was funny because he wrote homophobic comments but then a tide of other users attacked him by pointing out how ironic is to watch men showing the bodies almost naked and then being a homophobe, hahaha.

There are other forums on the net and probably less homophobic than bbing.com but you still can see that there is constant in that homosexuality is an issue for those people as a collective. At the same time, you can evidence that most of them don't really know what homosexuality is and all the speak about comes from religious and bias upbringing.

Not all are repressed, that's obvious; some are; some are not, but they certainly have issues with things they think signify weakness...

YIKES! Does it eat? So, this is what women want?

R148 That photo has been photoshopped.

We're so lucky to have the photoshopped troll to tell us what is totally obvious.

I know multiple body builders. They aren't especially homophobic, but they are very intolerant of feminine men. They definitely don't want to be associated with dudes that are not masculine, and seek to avoid associations with them.

Alex is my fantasy dude

The funny part of all this is that all it takes to counter a homophobic bodybuilding fan is to show them a posedown video of any bodybuilding contests :P

How they touch each other, especially the thighs, then they hug and flex hard for the audience. Usually they also get off stage and approach the people in the audience and practically rub their muscles in the face of the audience. They fight one another for the attention of their audience which is mainly other men XD

You know, sometimes bodybuilding is better than porn :P

Yeah Baby!

What is Alex's last name?

Their homophobia makes them look ridiculous when all they do is being practically naked for other men with all the homoerotic overtones naturally involved.

Kind of contradictory, don't you think?

Well, not all bodybuilders are homophobes and you can find a few who acknowledge how homoerotic bodybuilding is.

They are NOT GAY, you fucking perv!

Who can tell who is gay and who is not?

What makes you think there aren't bodybuilders who are not heterosexual?

What an idiot.

Here's a discussion on male bisexuality and how it is more common than thought on bodybuilding.com. Interestingly, even though a few trolls show up, the topic is discussed in mature trms for the most part.

Bodybuilding is not the totality of the bodybuilding world any more than DL is normative for gays in general.

I meant bodybuilding.com is not the totality

Most people on other forums see bodybuilding.com forum users as sexually insecure weirdos no one wants to associate with.

I'm in a difficult and contradictory position when it comes to bodybuilding.

I generally dislike the average bodybuilder, the homophobic, misogynistic one, the one so obsessed with body image who tries to sell the false premise that "a real man" must have big muscles.

On the other hand, I completely support the openly gay and bisexual bodybuilder because their participation in the bodybuilding world becomes subversive and it destroys the notion that muscularity and masculinity are the very expression of heterosexuality. They reappropriate them by entering in that world and showing that men are men, regardless of sexual orientation.

Judging by the number of fat slobs sporting bb.com T-shirts at gyms, it would be difficult to say that everyone posting on the bb.com board is a body builder.

There are far more gay and bisexual bodybuilders in that scene than any homophobe would like to see and admit because they want to portray bodybuilding as inhirently a heterosexual activity.

lol, I like those "no homo" posts on BB.com, the users who add that at the end of a post are usually young guys, sort of dumb and insecure, you rarely see it in the discussions for 35+ BBers.

I downloaded a video today with a bodybuilder who makes videos for the gay audience. This video is of him auditioning. He talks a bit about himself, takes his clothes off and then cums.

The thing is that he said he is heterosexual, but he loves to be worshipped. He said that most women are not into muscle worship and that they don't really appreciate a man's body; men appreciate it more and that is his motivation for making videos for gay guys. They give him what he looks for (being worshipped).

Then he has a shower and says he wish there would be women who loved muscle worship.

It doesn't really matter how hard homophobic bodybuilding fans attempt to unify all bodybuilders into one homophobic mindset; bodybuilding is an individualistic activity and many heteosexual bodybuilders, despite the fact that they are heterosexual, they simply have no issues with their sexuality and homosexuality at all. Many love the attention they receive from gay guys.

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You forgot the rest of the letters to actually say something, R168

Suddenly this thought came to my mind.

Lately, I have read the extract of a book that says that basically it sould not be disregarded that bodybuilders might have an erotic interest in the male physique.

So, could it be that their homophobia, more than being towards the gay guy that might lust after them it is rather towards themselves?

Bodybuilding is the very definition of sublimated homosexuality for quite bunch of bodbuilder sna dn bodybuilding fans.

A bodybuilding fan who is not openly gay or bisexual or who is not completely aware of his non-heterosexual sexual orientation can perfectly express his erotic interest in male mascularity under the disguise of "a fan's admiration" for the muscular achievement of his muscle heroes.

As long as it all looks like pure admiration with no erotic connotations everything is fine for them. Any hint of erotic interest must be abolished and they will usually do by means of homophobia.

It's called sublimated homosexuality.

Since they cannot accept themselves nor do they wish to explore that side of them (due to homophobic upbringing) they sublimate their homosexuality (consciously or unconsciously) in a way that is less threatening for them. In this case, bodybuilding is aperfect way to sublimate their homosexuality as it is disguised as "sport".

They can watch all those bodies while stating it is all mere admiration of their "hard work".

Why won't these clowns admit that they are gay? Why?

R172 are you answering your own questions since no one really asked anything, it's a dying thread, you are the only one who keeps replying to your own. I also found you have a lot lengthy posts in another bodybuilding related thread, again, you talked to yourself a lot. I think you should hire a fit guy and do a worship session, all your "curiosity" will just go away.

I agree, r175. He sounds so creepy asking the same question.

[quote]Why won't these clowns admit that they are gay? Why?

Because maybe they are not? I was reading some muscle blog, (and it seemed like younger voices), and the discussion was sort of about this topic. Supposedly straight bodybuilders were writing that they PREFERRED compliments from men. It did not matter if you were gay or straight. According to many of them they felt a compliment from a male was more meaningful because a man can appreciate all the hard work versus a female.

I found this interesting because many females say that they really are not attracted to bodybuilders. They might like fitness guys but even then that is work and might require a lifestyle most would rather not deal with.

Maybe bodybuilding is a male boding thing?

Have at it!!!

"I am the bodybuilder gay-male-escort, with ties to Gay-for-pay bodybuilders. AMAA"

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Okay... and this is a sport? Nothing homo-erotic at all...

hot buns, bro

Male power aesthetics are implicitly gay as hell, but the players are too dumb to know it or too scared to process it. The military. Cops. Football. Wrestling. Bodybuilders.

For a visual representation of this, look at the presentation of the cop Bigfoot (Josh Brolin) and his fellow law enforcement officers, the squares, in "Inherent Vice". Phallic symbols and simulated cocksucking galore.

It's the tension between the repressed and the expressed that these men feed on (that and all that whey powder).

R25 "Most sports are supporting campaigns to fight homophobia...."

And you think they're doing sincerely?

buns, bro

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Not to burst your bubble everyone, but I this is the homopbobic body builder thread. It's more interesting to find out which of these half-naked men who run around half-naked with other men is homophobic all oiled up and tanned and expose them.

Post pics of "hot" homophobic bodybuilders, please!

How did this turn into Butterface Bodybuilders? Have mercy, ughophiliacs.

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Well... a very popular bodybuilder on YouTube, (the first one with a fitness channel), has admitted that he's gay:

"So why am I coming out now? I am not coming out now, I have always been out - read my "about me" pages for the last 10 years. The reason I didnt talk about personal things in my videos was not because I was embarassed about anything but rather because I just didnt want to divert attention from what is most important which is how YOU can get stronger and leaner. Now that the spotlight is off me and my audience has matured, I figured spending 7 seconds in a 10 minute video was fine. The ‘about me” pages for the last 10 years, they always mention the word married but never include the word ‘wife’ or ‘her’ but always ‘partner’ or ‘spouse’. " Yes, I changed the word "spouse" to "husband" recently but the references to 'partner' and 'spouse' have been there for years and years and the word 'wife' or 'her' has never, ever, been on my about me page. If people were deceived into thinking I was straight by reading constant references to "spouse" and "partner" then it was their own wishful thinking in action. This wasnt really planned, we saw the shadow while filming our workout and thought it was really cool. Back in 2006 I was the only fitness channel on YouTube and the spotlight on me was scorching hot. Now there are literally thousands of fitness channels and the spotlight is off me. Not only has the spotlight come off me with all these new fitness channels but my audience has matured as well. It used to be that even a fart would completely de-rail the message of a video with peals of laughter. Anyway, now that nobody really cares I felt it was fine to spend 7 seconds in a 10 minute video to mention my husband."

Scooby?

Yes, R196. He is quite popular on YouTube. He has over a half a million subscribers and has been giving free exercise advice for years. He was the first fitness channel on YouTube, and I think one of the reasons why he is so popular is because he has like a "Mr. Rogers" voice and approach. He also claims that he is completely natural.

He never spoke about his personal life at all. In fact, it was only a few years ago that people learned that he was an engineer as his day job. Many competitors questioned his advice and were very jealous of his following. The interest in his personal life had/was reaching a fever pitch--think Hugh Jackman, or Tom Cruisey type of interest. More than likely, these were closet cases themselves who cannot deal with their own sexuality. Perfect for this thread! Go to Bodybuilding.com and they're talking about Scooby all over the place for years.

Here's this guy that's like 53-55 years old, looking the way that he does, claiming he's natural, engineer, etc.--too perfect! There must be a flaw. Anyway they "doxed" the guy and scared him to the point that he was going to quit YouTube. According to him, (Scooby), he had to move his family, change numbers, etc.

Anyway, I believe after that incident, the changing times, and getting older, he just felt that it was time to just come out and reveal it. His subscribers have been quite supportive, with the negatives here and there, but overall supportive.

Wait, Scooby was never "out"? I always knew he was out and proud! Lol wow

[quote]Wait, Scooby was never "out"? I always knew he was out and proud! Lol wow

He says that he was. He never mentioned it in any of his videos. Why should he? That's not the purpose for them. Anyway, here's a sampling of the negative stuff. A lot of it he has removed:

"Scoobys Gay.......UNSUBSCRIBING!!!"

"I have been watching your videos for years and I had no idea you where gay. It is a good thing, your videos are about working out not your personal life. I swear you said you had a wife and kids..."

"No way Scooby, i had no idea you are homo, and that you have a husband. :D USA gets crazier and crazier with more and more homos. :) Lel, that is so wrong, oh damn, whatever."

"all the short shorts, ridiculous hats, i should have known lol"

"I'll say that I had a feeling he was gay, but I didn't think it was important to try asking him about it. His vocal inflection, mannerisms, and his passion for working out gave me a feeling that he was probably gay. I understand that's a hell of a lot of stereotyping on my part."

Wow, this wins the R1 is a cunt award.

Scooby came out years ago. Not new news.

I've just watched a few of Scooby's videos, he seems like a great guy.

In that AMA and elsewhere on this thread people keep talking about Kai Greene being blackballed for having done G4P. But then they refer to a scene where he fucked a grapefruit! How is this G4P? To me, G4P means you actually had some sort of interactive sex with another man. Jacking off, sex with produce, etc., don't count!

[quote]I've just watched a few of Scooby's videos, he seems like a great guy.

He really is and has been quite helpful to many for a number a years. To my knowledge he has never asked for any money. Sure! I know he is probably making money from YouTube for content but that's basically it. He did try a "pay" website after the doxing scandal but I don't know how successful that has been

About the doxing scandal:

Doxing

admission by the /sp/ tripfag who doxed Scooby

In mid-July of 2013, a rival YT bodybuilder known as Jeff Seid got butthurt over an April Fools video Scooby had done mocking Jeff's overly-confident ways, and paid a tripfag on /sp/ to dox Scooby, which said tripfag did, in a thread on /fit/. Scoobert's IRL name, address, and company were revealed, as was the STUNNING revelation that he was gay, which took many /fit/izens, Youtubers and Scooby forum members by surprise, despite that he had openly admitted to being gay months before the doxing and he tripfagged on /fit/, which automatically made him gay. Once Scooby found out that he'd been doxed he went on /fit/, he said goodbye to /fit/, and released his tripcode. He then took to YouTube and announced he would not be putting any more videos on YouTube, and would be shutting down most, if not all, of his Social Media accounts. Within days of the doxing, the majority of /fit/ was RIP Scooby threads, and people using his tripcode that he'd released to troll with. One user, as part of the pity party, even made a fundraiser for an AIDS Foundation that Scooby had once donated to. However, Scooby has continued releasing Youtube videos, since he can't figure out how to make a new channel, and updating his main website's blog. He made good on his vow to shutdown the Scooby's Workshop forum, only to replace it with a pay-for-access website. He also continues to lurk /fit/, as evidenced by one of his recent videos

He does funny stuff like this link on his website too.

r203, gay or not, that was stupid, and definitely made himself into a mockery. Not good for the "sport's" image.

So Jeff Seid started all of that?

[quote]In that AMA and elsewhere on this thread people keep talking about Kai Greene being blackballed for having done G4P. But then they refer to a scene where he fucked a grapefruit!

[quote] gay or not, that was stupid, and definitely made himself into a mockery. Not good for the "sport's" image.

Yup! It was stupid, but I think the point that everyone is trying to make is that A LOT of homosexual activity goes on within bodybuilding and you have all of these straight people that won't own up to it, or make fun of those who do it. You mention Kai Greene's name and you will hear the story. Scooby's gay and that's supposed to now work against him...

I have a bodybuilder friend who says that he is straight but dances for the men. No problem with it. I've "heard" that if you pop him a $20 bill your fingers can go wherever they like--with encouragement, BUT he's straight...

Then you have Zeb Atlas who for years said he was straight and look at our boy now!

I'm still trying to figure out Frank DeFeo's story. Another straight one...

The link below deserves a reposting!

Most men who are attracted to or involved with men do not admit they are gay. Why would bodybuilding be some rare exception to the rule?

This guy nails it!

I like that guy.

Did Jeff Seid harass Snoopy?

The homophobic clowns who attend bodybuilding contests are no different than the assholes who post here decrying "effeminates."

They rationalize their homoerotic desires by being attracted to these muscle guys who they think are the epitome of masculinity. They've obviously never heard of the term "muscle mary."

If you've spent any time in the gym, you'll see these closeted creeps all over the place, constantly trying to cozy up to the big muscle freaks, mistakenly thinking simply by being associated with the big guys no one will question their own masculinity and sexuality. And often these same dirtballs characterize any guy who doesn't measure up to their exacting standards as effeminate and weak, the same tactics DL's resident misfits do all the time.

I'm with you R10. He's a very sexy dude.

I'm not gay. I only do it to but gear...

I wonder if they still have this competition?

but what about bisexual bodybuilders? my type.

[quote]Did Jeff Seid harass Snoopy?

Does PETA know about this?

[quote]I'm not gay. I only do it to but gear...

Please translate into English.

Just scratching the service...

[quote]Just scratching the service...

What "service" would that be??

You want to piss off neurotic homophobic bodybuilding fans who still cannot see why bodybuilding is gay (in the best of the senses)?

Just make them watch this. I warn you, this is full homoerotic :P

He's hot, but he'd look better without that long hair.

I think most never pay attention to his hair... XD

Ulysses is hot

There was this other video on Youtube like 7 years ago of a charity event.

It was about bodybuilders posing on stage. They were all wearing pink posing suits and people had to approach them and leave money in their posing suits just like you to with regular strippers.

Gender didn't matter at all, men and women equally allowed and encouraged to leave their money in these bodybuilders' little pieace of clothing. In fact, although I think the audience was mainly men.

I have tried to find the video but it seems to be it was deleted years ago.

Jeff Seid is a douchey little shit.

someone is obsessed with Jeff Seid

Muscles matter dude

who dis?

hulk

R229 Here you are.

bros

Are you in in live with Jeff Seid and is homophobia r232?

d

R229 can't read or write

[quote] A copper-skinned Adonis! Author: JimmyZProductions.com

Perhaps someone should open a new thread about why muscularity is attractive (or not) where we can post pics of bodybuilders we find sexy and explain why we feel attracted (or not) to muscularity.

R236 lol, stop replying to yourself! are you the same guy who keeps doing that in another fitness model thread?

R237 Stalking?

I like the idea of a hot bodybuilders photo thread

Scooby talks about being gay. The first 10 minutes...

You would think that Diana Ross is staying at his house the way he goes on, and on, and, on...

Are there any openly gay bodybuilders besides Scooby?

Who dis??

There is a bodybuilder at my gym who cruises guys heavily who is homophobic. His social media is filled with homophobia.

I think bodybuilding is a form of self-loathing on some level, especially among gay male body builders.

dont generalize about an entire group of people, dude

R243 not so much internalized homophobia but internalized misogyny. To them only women like cock and they're ashamed to be liking something that was considered only for women. That's why a lot of gay bodybuilders HATE fems while the str8 ones tend to have no problem.

Has Gay Panic Ruined Bodybuilding?

[quote]I think bodybuilding is a form of self-loathing

The self-loathing troll strikes again. The troll finds self-loathing in every thread it reads.

hot to death

Desperately seeking a man. 100% TOP only!!!

I find so much homophobia on bodybuilder Twitter accounts. Homophobic slurs are regularly used or attacks on gay people. It's very perplexing to me, these men have some deep seeded issues.

R248

And that looks very heterosexual... hahaha.

I mean, your average heterosexual man would feel no interest in watching other men's legs and crotch.

Do you think the guys at R248 like white gays? I ask because it's been a week of "white f@ggots" here at dataloounge. Lots of racist, homophobic hate towards white gay men,

Huh dude?

I don't think bodybuilders are self-loathing, I think the correct tem is low "self-esteem", but they build it up by gaining muscle mass.

The problem is that most of them are never satisfied with the mass they gain and always want more and more.

Just imagine yourslef being a bodybuilder, posing and lots of people drooling over every muscle of yours every time you hit a pose. That must be a very addictive sensation.

Kind of a neurotic activity bodybuilding is.

Davey Wavey and straight bodybuilders.

[quote]dont generalize about an entire group of people, dude

How could DL survivle without generalizations?

"Why does everyone at DL hate... (name)?"

"Why does everyone at DL say they don't... (blah blah)?"

R255

The blond guy in the yellow shirt is handsome, but you can see he's starting to lose his hair as it happens to many bodybuilders.

You should probably not post on datalounge anymore R256.

Bodybuilder = BOTTOM

Meanwhile back at the ranch it does seem a good number of "body builders" professional or otherwise are into trannies. This includes a well known male porn star.

Suppose the rationale is long as the rest looks female what is between the legs does not matter.

R260 almost makes you want to go fish.

Who is the Davey Wavey dude in the yellow shirt with the accent?

R230 is gorgeous.

r262 Attila Toth

R260

Fetish most of the time.

Although, some heterosexual males show almost exclusive attraction to crossdressers that some psychologists think it could be considered a sexual orientation.

R265 to be honest, I think they're still straight. They're into femininity regardless of genitalia (although some enjoy having the best of both worlds but I'm talking the more general ones).

R265

Well, yes. Primarily, they are considered heterosexual, but some of these men seem to be exclusively attracted to crossdressers/transvestites and not so much to biological women so that's why some psychologists think it could be considered a sexual orientation in itself.

Obviously, they are attracted to the female they impersonate: the male body parts are not their object of attraction at all.

Bodybuilding is very homoerotic from the posing videos I watched.

No joke, dude

I think that bodybuilding is greatly populated by men (both fans and bodybuilders themselves) who can be found somewhere in the bisexual spectruum. But most of these men will never acknowledge the erotic interest involved in their liking of watching nearly naked overmuscular men.

Bodybuilding has always been for the lustful eyes and it will never change, hehe.

Fitness model homophobia...

Interesting

Stupid question OP

You do it as much as any of us R256, get off your little high horse.

Why is it stupid R273?

Get it dude

That is funny R276!

Well, this caused my breathing to become heavier... Oh! How many guys do you know that have a tramp stamp?

Oh! And look what I found:

Erotic BodyBuilding Posing Class (Midtown East)

Well, good luck and God bless, to ya if you're a "bottom" getting "topped"; a "top" who has numerous "bottoms" willing to take you in; or being massaged into nirvana!!! I'm choosing to do something a bit different and I hope some like-minded men will join me.

I'm bored with my gym routine at the moment and need a little oomph to make it more interesting. This project is still in development, so I'm just gaging interest at this point.

Look...I, (nor some other men in the gym), will ever compete in a professional bodybuilding competition. But, we wonder what it would sort of feel like to prepare for one. To learn and perform standard/expected poses; Ask questions about what goes on; and maybe receive some useful tips to better our bodies and training. So... I'm organizing a BodyBuilding Posing Class...with a bit of a twist--it's erotic!

For about two hours, we, (and yes, I'll be there), will be taught poses, exercises, tricks of the trade, discussion, etc as if we are in preparation for a competition. The class will be no more than 5 men...women are definitely NOT invited, who have a sincere interest in the subject and who want to learn.

I am also thinking about having a body grooming person there,(step up HOT guys and apply), along with a rep from New York Bodyworks to give pointers (and sell) posing and workout gear. There "might" be a photographer that will take tasteful photos (no faces) for everyone to keep as a memory. However, a photographer being present would have to be upon 100% mutual agreement of everyone participating.

Here's the erotic part: We're all--and I mean ALL are working in underwear; at some point nude; final poses in g-strings. Some mutual physical touching when/if appropriate--getting you into proper position, etc. So, it's sexual but non-sexual. An erection may spring up here and there, but that will be something to laugh at and discuss. Happy endings, (should that be a problem) must happen after/outside of class and is a private matter should it ever arises (hmm...that's a funny!) This class is about learning with a twist and having some fun while doing it! If it's successful we might do it again with different people, etc.

There are no costs, however... ya might want to bring some money, (I'll check if the vendor will have credit card capability though), to purchase your posing gear and whatever else type of clothing the vendor might have.

If this interest you just pop me an email with one or two photos of yourself (no dick pics please). Noooo, I'm not jacking off to them, forwarding them, or doing any of the other stupid nonsense that some do with pics either!!!

Although there will be NO JUDGEMENTS, I'm going to let the bodybuilder choose those he feels that he can work most effectively with...and that doesn't mean that everyone has to be Hercules or whatever else either. The guy is a trainer and so he will be able to spot the potential in anyone--some more than others. I just want everyone to get some type of benefit out of this! Also, it just helps determine if you're sane! This is Craig's List after all...

Finally, It would help if you are gay but no one really has to be--I am though. If you're not, that's not a problem and therefore don't you be a problem.

SO! Let's try to get this happening so that we can learn and have some fun!!!! I'm shooting for mid-November, just before the holidays. Pop me an email if you're interested, or you have additional questions, AND better yet, ideas!

BTW: Anyone know of any gym that has an all nude men's exercise night...or would entertain one???? The NEXT project!!! ...I told you that I'm bored!

Betcha a Bodybuilder is pushing such a class themself!

Most of them are okay with masculine bisexual and gay dudes who act like "a normal bro." It's the flamboyant and effeminate guys that creep them out. This is a subculture and environment that exalts Alpha Male masculinity and manhood. It's not a friendly environment for non-masculine dudes.

Anybody know if that Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson & W. A. Ricketts, 1980) is available in a free online test? Initial google not turning anything up

1980? seems way archaic

I'm really getting annoyed at the "dude/bro" troll. Seriously, who fucking talks like that? Did you not pass the 5th grade? Christ.

r283, I prefer him to the guys who sound like gay sitcom stereotypes.

They probably are tired of creepy gay men presuming they are open to tricking and inappropriately propositioned. I see how some gay men are so forward and sleazy about stepping up to these fitness models and bodybuilders with sexual overtures, and I can understand why they want nothing to do with them.

I found a Q & A about the homoeroticism in wrestling which is part of a documentary about the subject and all answers perfectly describe bodybuilding.

Some of them:

8. Why do men seem to fear the male form?

Men, both gay and straight, LOVE the male form. If a guy has an awesome build, they want to copy it. If a guy has a hot tattoo, they want to have something similar. If there was a choice between two good-looking guys wrestling with their shirts on, or their shirts off, guys would want the shirts off.

12. Do you feel closeted homosexual men often seek out things like wrestling in order to sate their desire for male closeness?

Absolutely. It's a semi-acceptable way to get close contact with another guy. You have to understand that for guys who are turned on by wrestling, often times wrestling IS the sex for them. They need nothing else. Also, many straight men have told me that they are only turned on by other men in the form of wrestling. That's why I don't think we should be labeling sexuality at all. It's too complicated.

'That's why I don't think we should be labeling sexuality at all'

And these guys will continue to assert 'They're straight' if asked, or they'll be labeled themself with another stupid labels as: homoflexible, heteroflexible, pansexual, ,demisexual, heteroromantic homosexual, homoromantic heterosexual, 71% gay/straight, 92.43%gay/straight (I met a guy)....

I think question 12 very much resonates in bodybuilding. I'm sure many bodybuilding fans, especially the most vocally homophobic may resort to bodybuilding as a way to sublimate their attraction to men in way that may not be too evident that they like men.

And I also think this applies to some bodybuilders themselves. The homoeroticism in bodybuilding is so powerful and I dare say so enticing yet disguised as athletic that it is the perfect cover to experience your attraction to men.

Bodybuilding has clear roots in homosexual men, there's actually a book that acknowleges this fact given that homosexual and bisexual men have always been associated with physical culture and for admiring the male physique since ancient times, but the fact has been ignored and attempts to erase this fact from bodybuilding history is evident. It's logical then that the activity called bodybuilding has inherent homoerotic overtones in as many ways as possible that, even if practised by heterosexual men, they inevitably engage in the homoerotic dynamics.

Another fact that strongly links bodybuilding with homosexual and bisexual men is the fact that the father of modern bodybuilding was a bisexual man (Eugen Sandow). Because of the homophobia of his time, his pandering to his male fandom had to be in subtle ways disguised primarily as attracting women.

One can perfectly say that bodybuilding is an early expression of gay culture but that was appropriated by heterosexual men (cultural appropriation). Heterosexual men appropriated bodybuilding and tried to make it their own property. Through the years they have tried to erase all homoerotic connotations and evidence of thoe "sport" having homosexual roots, yet they have failed in this task since the homoerotic aspect of it is always present some way or another even performed by heterosexual bodybuilders themselves.

You don't try to entice an almost entirele male crowd by moving like this, biting your lip and looking at them with a flirty expressionw hen you are heterosexual. (min: 2:21)

If battling against other men exerting power and dominance is what turns wrestlers on and then they get those erections as if a battle for who rises as the ultimate alpha male then something similar must bodybuilder be experiecing.

Bodybuilders don't wrestle, not in the physical sense, but still there is a battle of male beauty, who looks better, more masculine, stronger, etc. very much like courtship when males in the animal kingdom make display of their best features to get picked over the other males. I suppose doing all that and overshadow other males as well and seeing the fascination of other males in their faces when they see your muscles may potentially provide an erotic feeling...

What would happen if the gays turned a blind eye to bodybuilding?

This type of homophobia can also end in murder.

Guns are good. We need more of them. Everyone should have a gun.

[quote]What would happen if the gays turned a blind eye to bodybuilding?

A lot of them, (bodybuilders), would be in deep shit! There have been NUMEROUS studies that reveal that this is a look and lifestyle that the majority of women do not like. What gets me is that most of these guys won't admit what is the obvious even though they may not be gay themselves. Take Pete Lind for example. For some reason he feels a need to always mention his girlfriend. Then you have this on his Facebook page--you decide if he handled this correctly or not:

ANNOUNCEMENT Don't send me disgusting dick pics or other shit in the same category. I will post the future PM's online with included name and pic for all to see. With that said, i respect all of you so please respect me. Have fun, take care and be nice to each other!

On another note; To me he is not aging well, and now he is just too big.

They want to keep the profession decent, wholesome, G-rated, classy, and professional.

Could you provide a link to any of those studies you mentioned? R294

I find it really weid saying that men send dock pics to him. I could believe messages suggesting getting to know him better, but dick pics out of nothing doesn't sound credible unless what he is actually doing is boasting about his success with men by "denouncing" them for sending him dick pics.

On the other side of things, gay bodybuilders many times are the target of women's advances but I have never known of any of them denouncing women for trying to flirt with them and suggest sexual things, instead they take it easy without making a fuss out of it.

Hmmm

[quote]I'm really getting annoyed at the "dude/bro" troll. Seriously, who fucking talks like that? Did you not pass the 5th grade? Christ.

This is one of the most idiotic trolls on DL. He's been all over the threads about two married bodybuilders (reporter Gio Benitez from ABC and his husband Tommy). As you can see from his post at R280 and others, he has issues with gay weightlifters who aren't "normal bros."

And, yes, he's lacking in both emotional and cognitive development.

Found this:

All the ones I know are gay gay gay gay & closeted! A major chain connected with the whole body building culture including gyms & merchandise, is run by a swishy queen who is not only gay but stays deep in the closet because he's a self loathing mo who can't deal. The average bodybuilder (that I know) is dumb, narcissistic, hooked on some kind of drugs (steroids, whatever) and have bad skin & little teeny tiny dicks.

[R294] You are right. Women do not go for the look. We find it disgusting.

There are certainly women that like bodybuilders. Bodybuilders have no problem finding chicks

[quote]There are certainly women that like bodybuilders. Bodybuilders have no problem finding chicks

That's true. I'm not dismissing the bodybuilding/homosexuality aspect, but I'd say there are bodybuilders who are indeed straight--appearances anyway. The pic below is a guy I follow, Jason Huh. Here he is with his family. I'll follow it with his BB pic. But, what I've noticed is that most of the women with these guys are exercise freaks (enthusiasts) or BB's themselves.

Jason Huh

homos!

Because they're not all gay. A straight bodybuilder I knew years ago said he had nothing against gay men, but he couldn't go to the gym without them trying to come on to him or giving him their phone number, address, etc. He said one tried to grab his chest in the shower, and he had to push him away. Of course, gay men are always innocent in the 'soliciting sex department. '

Don't underestimate the power of GAY PANIC. Homophobes who are experiencing gay panic are capable of murder; it is a very dangerous state of mind.

I don't think it's panic to not to want to be sexually propositioned or disrespected

Insecure people do stupid shit in order to overcompensate. Homophobia can be based on the superior vs. inferior premise, or self loathing. A lot of guys grow up with the habit of questioning someone's masculinity (are you a fag? You look like a fag! Suck my dick, bitch!) as being a proper way to attack another guy or take him down a peg.

A lot of bodybuilders do it for receiving positive feedback from others. Depending on their need for positive feedback they may differ between feedback from the right people (which feels like a huge ego boost) and feedback from the wrong people (which can make them feel cheap or objectified). And like with any interest people appreciate other people with like minded interests who can bond over their genuine interest (like bodybuilding). There is nothing gay about that. Bodybuilding is not just about posing. It's about discipline, food diets, supplements, workouts, how to schedule time if you have a job, etc.

There are some closet cases who grew up in a time, and enviroment, where gay men were stereotyped as effeminates and that pushed them into the opposite direction where they joined the marines or entered masculine professions like professional sports. It's the good old "just because I like to hook up with guys doesn't mean I am one of ...* limb wrist gesture* ... those guys!". These guys feel the need to prove to themselves, and others, that they are still worthy of receiving other people's respect (that depends on being perceived as masculine).

Well stated dude

yum yum yummy

Have him call me

Hmmm

Homophobia was introduced when heterosexual men got involved in the activity in modern times. They have been trying to overwrite the origins of bodybuilding or at least ignore its true foundation because it is too shameful for them to admit that they practice something that came from the minds of gay men.

It's like many other things that came from Greece that have been altered by heterosexual men, for example, Hercules, the muscular Greek demigod who is actually bisexual with insatiable taste for women and MEN yet today's culture depicts him as heterosexual in every way possible.

Hmmmm

This study turns me on. I imagine a gay researcher looking over his subjects and the findings and having his own penile circumference increase, but staying professional throughout and waiting until he got home to beat off furiously.

I'm willing to buy that some of these bodybuilders are heterosexual exhibitionists who greatly enjoy prancing around in public in their posing straps.

Fascinating study.

I wonder how rife gay for pay or sexual favours for sponsorship money/financial support are in the bodybuilding world?

So was there a new development in the psych research regarding this 3 year old thread, or did R316 decide to be a bump bitch again?

r319 Sometimes bump bitches can be fun!