Stephen Collins - CHILD MOLESTER!!!!

Holy. Shit.

Dammit! I used to wank to him.

I knew he played a jerk too convincingly. But it is a shocker!

The guy from the first 'Star Trek' film?

'He's dead, Jim'.

Stephen Collins -- who played the pastor/dad on "7th Heaven" -- confessed to his estranged wife he was a child molester, and it's all on tape ... a tape obtained by TMZ. And the New York Police Dept. is now conducting an active criminal investigation involving sexual contact with multiple children.

Collins -- who is in the middle of a nasty, prolonged divorce with actress Faye Grant -- revealed to her in 2012 he had molested and/or exposed himself to several underage girls years before. Collins and Grant went to a therapist where she peppered him with questions about the incidents ... and he not only answered, he was specific.

Here's what Collins didn't know at the time. Grant taped the therapy session. We're told her lawyer advised her it was legal to secretly record the conversation because in California you're allowed to secretly record conversations to gather evidence the other person committed a violent felony ... and molesting a child under the age of 14 qualifies.

We have protected the names of the victims Collins mentions on tape. As you listen ... you will hear Collins refer to a "disclosure" and a "list." This refers to a confession Collins had already made to his wife ... which triggered the therapy session.

You hear Collins flatly confess to molesting an 11-year-old New York girl -- a relative of his first wife -- saying, "There was one moment of touching where her hand, I put her hand on my penis." He also acknowledges exposing himself to the girl "a couple of times" ... he says when she was 11, 12 and 13.

Grant asks, "When you exposed yourself ... did you have an erection?" He responds, "No, I mean, no. Partial, maybe I think."

Grant then inquires about other girls. Collins mentions an L.A. girl who lived in their neighborhood, but says he tried righting the wrong by apologizing to her years later.

And then they talk about yet another girl. It's incredible ... Collins has trouble keeping the girls straight, but then he gets clear and confirms the incident. We're told this girl was also from New York and was between 12 and 13 at the time.

TMZ has learned ... the NYPD is in possession of the tape, and last Wednesday 2 NYPD detectives from the Special Victims Unit flew to L.A. to interview Grant. We're told they asked her about the tape and about other potential witnesses.

An NYPD official tells TMZ ... there is a current, active investigation. The official says there are "at least 3 victims" and the nature of the investigation is "inappropriate sexual contact with minors."

Law enforcement sources tell us ... one alleged victim in the investigation is the relative of Collins' first wife, who we're told first reported the molestation in 2012. One law enforcement source tells us ... although decades have passed since the molestation, they believe the case can still be prosecuted because the statute of limitations runs from the date of reporting.

Collins -- who is on the National Board of the Screen Actors Guild -- frequently interacts with young actresses. In addition to "7th Heaven," he was also on the ABC Family show "The Fosters," about a bunch of young kids being raised in a foster family. And he had a role in the recent show, "Revolution" ... which also had underage actors.

We contacted Collins' reps ... they had no comment.

He should have played the Victor Garber part in 'First Wives Club'

Wow. What a way to take down an ex. And what a perv.

R2, my words exactly. He used to be in that Indiana Jones knock off tv show when I was young and I was completely in love with him.

It's been reported here over the years that William Shatner was jealous of Stephen Collins when he showed off his big bulge in that tight Federation uniform.

I wonder if he's going to enjoy watching his downfall?

Wow. Just wow.

I was molested.

Why is he telling her these things? He wants to go to jail? She's asking for last names for christ's sake.

He said this with his wife in the room??

Faye Grant is trying to take down the Visitors.

Me yike blue.

The wife and the therapist, yes, R14.

The audio is at the link. I just listened to it.

[quote]on the National Board of the Screen Actors Guild

I'm assuming that's not going to last for much longer.

He was hot,wearing nothing more than a towel, in THE RITZ on Broadway.

[quote] I'm assuming that's not going to last for much longer.

His career won't last much longer, for sure.

Five bucks says he tries to off himself before the shit hits the fan.

If he said this to a therapist, wouldn't the therapist have had to notify the authorities?

too hot to be guilty

or for it to matter

What's ironic is that One Million Moms probably list 7th Heaven as the greatest family show ever on TV.

USA Today has picked up the story:

[quote]His career won't last much longer, for sure.

As I said above, 'He's dead, Jim'.

So his wife secretly recorded his therapy session? What a bitch.

I like how these news stories list all the shows he's worked on with children, including a teenage Jessica Biel!

Being discussed all over Twitter:

It may be legal to record this in California but is it admissible as evidence given that it was made in a therapeutic setting? Might not the doctor-patient privilege apply? Even though there was a third party present at the time (often an exception) that third party was present for therapeutic reasons.

Do Collins and Grant have children?

I'm truly shocked by this.

I worked with Stephen a few times on some theater projects in the 1980s and always found him to be the sweetest guy, a seemingly true gentlemen.....smart, engaging, and generous.

And to say that he was unbelievably handsome, especially back then, is an understatement.

It just proves how fucked up some people inexplicably are. He obviously could have had his choice of thousands of gorgeous women (and men) but clearly that didn't satisfy him.

What pushes a person to be like that? Human nature is very strange.

Here's his Twitter account:

[quote]Do Collins and Grant have children?

They appear to have one daughter together:

If there were three, then there were thirty. Or three hundred. Wait until they start to come out of the woodwork.

Nonsense. Not every pedophile is Jimmy Savile, r33.

Ohhhhhh, I bet that little girl who played Ruthie has STORIES!

SHRIEEE EEEEE EEEEEE EEEEEE EEEEEEK!!!!!

Child molestation is an exclusion to the therapy exclusion and therapists are mandated reporters.

Just like confessing to murder, have to report.

I believe that elder abuse and exploitation is also excluded.

I didn't know he was married to her. It's all over Facebook too. I don't think they will find him alive.

R34, I think the point R33 is making is that there could possibly be other girls that he abused that he didn't tell his wife & therapist about in that session. There could be others that he didn't admit to yet.

The girls were all Tweens, so it wasn't child molestation-child molestation.

My first childhood crush is a diddler. I'm feeling so sad for myself right now.

It's estimated that 1 and 10 men are pedophiles. While most of those men don't act on their urges, you'd be shocked to discover who in your own life struggles to hide their true nature on a daily basis. In my case, a brother-in-law who everyone loved turned out to be sexually abusing my two young nieces (6 and 9). I just remember being shocked that a clean cut Marine could be capable of doing something so reprehensible...but it opened my eyes to the fact that most pedophiles aren't creepy fat guys who drive vans.

Although I have issues with a therapy session being recorded and released to the public, but at least now his victims can see their abuser brought to justice (even if most of the trial will take place in the court of public opinion).

I also worked with him numerous times. He was one of the nicest men I have worked with. I thought he had a pretty good marriage as well. I am shocked.

Just had his 67th birthday on October 1.

The tape was in a therapy session as such it is privileged.

It can't be used against him, even if a third party was present.

The cops have no case unless victims come forward

R45, let's leave that to the legal authorities to decide.

And that's just part of the challenge he faces.

Even if he escapes prosecution for some reason, his career is over.

Pedophilia is a recognized sickness. it can inflict the sweet and the handsome just as much as anyone else.

It's not the putting the girl's hand on your peepee, it's the telling her "If you ever tell anyone about this I'll kill your dog" afterwards.

[quote]He should have played the Victor Garber part in 'First Wives Club'

Thank God they didn't let him play Daddy Warbucks.

The problem for him is that it's ON TAPE. This isn't just some rumor. The whole country is going to hear his voice played over & over again on that audio recording.

Wow. Just watched "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" on some movie channel recently; when my mom saw Collins, she said, "He sure was pretty back then!"

[quote]It's estimated that 1 and 10 men are pedophiles. While most of those men don't act on their urges

You wanna rethink this, hon?

Did she comment on the bulge, R51?

Wife could face charges for withholding information. The therapist is automatically going to be stripped of their license and will be prosecuted. You are required by law to go to law inforcement to report child molestation if revealed by a patient.

It's now in the Business Insider:

OCT. 7, 2014

NYPD Investigating Reported Child Molestation Charges Against '7th Heaven' Actor

The New York Police Department is reportedly investigating Stephen Collins for child molestation after the actor, best known as the father on "7th Heaven," allegedly confessed on a secret recording to molesting three girls, TMZ reports.

The NYPD confirmed to TMZ that it was looking into at least three possible victims.

TMZ obtained the tape, which the gossip website says is from a therapy session with Collins and his estranged wife, actress Faye Grant. Sources told TMZ that Grant's lawyer advised her to record the conversation.

On the tape, which TMZ posted on its website, Collins admits to having sexual contact with three minors over several years. He admitted to inappropriate touching with one girl and exposing himself to others. Grant and Collins are in the process of getting a divorce.

One girl lived in Collins' neighborhood in Los Angeles, and another girl from New York was a relative of his first wife.

The NYPD has interviewed Grant and is reportedly in possession of the tape, according to TMZ. The relative of Collins' first wife reported the incident in 2012, and the NYPD is reportedly in the midst of an active investigation into the charges.

When Collins and Grant announced in 2012 that they were getting divorced, Grant told E! News: "Stephen's filing for divorce is a surprise. I am devastated. I wish him the very best in whatever path he chooses to take. Twenty-seven years of marriage in Hollywood is the equivalent of 189 dog years. I was exhausted." The couple got married in 1985.

Collins' is best known for his role as a pastor and father on the family TV drama "7th Heaven." He played a Christian father to seven children. Since the show ended, he has taken other TV and movie roles.

[quote]It can't be used against him, even if a third party was present.

It absolutely can and will be. Do your homework. He's not protected in that state.

The kids are going to be traced. I still can't figure out why he said this, especially when names of children are being asked. It's obvious that the person is going to authorities. Although they didn't. Weird.

It's being reported on Twitter that Howard Stern has just played the tapes on his show.

So wait did she already know about it? Or have an inkling of possible behavior? Why did the lawyer tell her to record the session? What did she say that caused the lawyer to advise recording?

Now if only someone would fink on that fat pig Dan Schneider.

R56 it is a therapy session. Privileged.

7th Heaven trending on Twitter. When's the last time that happened?

Stephen Collins trending.

Who would have thought it would be for this?

The actress who played Matt's wife on 7th Heaven died a few days ago.

It's been a sad, sad week in Glen Oak.

Look at this photo someone just posted on Twitter:

That's Stephen Collins with a 1961 Plymouth Valiant, R65

What's the big deal?

LOL @ R66.

I actually have sympathy for this guy. He was SET UP. By his reprehensible wife. What a cunt.

PEOPLE:

[quote]7th Heaven Actor Stephen Collins Being Investigated for Child Molestation: Report

10/07/2014 AT 10:50 AM

Stephen Collins, the actor who played the pastor Eric Camden on 7th Heaven, is being investigated by police after allegedly confessing to child molestation, according to multiple news reports.

Collins, 67, made the alleged confession during a 2012 therapy session that his wife, the actress Faye Grant, secretly tape-recorded. A version of that recording, edited to protect the identity of the victims, was posted to TMZ.com.

The investigation into "inappropriate sexual contact with minors" involves at least three victims, police believe, including one who is a relative of his first wife, Marjorie Weinman.

On the tape, Collins appears to admit to several incidents, and even gives some details of the sexual contact involved. The alleged incidents happened years ago, but authorities believe they may still have a case for prosecution.

Grant filed for divorce from Collins in 2012.

[quote]The tape was in a therapy session as such it is privileged.

Is it privileged if it was taped by one of the patients unbeknownst to the therapist? Do we know if the ex-wife conspired with the therapist to arrange the taping?

I wonder if the story of how they got to that therapy session will come out. They were married for 27 years. Can you imagine being involved with someone for nearly three decades only to find out he diddles young girls?

[quote]Now if only someone would fink on that fat pig Dan Schneider.

We can only hope.

I hope you are joking, R69.

Wasn't he frequently connected to Blythe? I know they starred in a sitcom together, and I think they've been in plays. I wonder if Goopy will claim to be a victim?

R71, according to TMZ, the therapist was in on the taping with the wife and it's apparently legal to do so in California. The therapist apparently got legal advice.

What's amazing is that one of the 3 girls he admits to abusing is a relative of his first wife, Marjorie Weinman.

It's already in Wikipedia, so you KNOW it's official!!

Could someone please explain R66's joke for the humor impaired?

There goes his role in Ted 2!

R75 expect Collins lawyers to suppress the tape all the way to the Supreme Court.

If the tape is suppressed, it means no charges by Collins accusers because the tape would be considered links to the poisoned fruit (the tape)

If the tape is suppressed, No tape, no case.

It's an old DL joke about homely Beverley Mitchell's face looking like a 1961 Plymouth Valiant.

Interesting, R77. Wikipedia now says:

[quote]On October 7, 2014, an audiotape was released on TMZ wherein Mitchell admits during a therapy session with his estraged wife Faye Grant that he had exposed himself to at least three young girls in the past, including one incident where he placed a girl's hand briefly on his genitals.

R80, the courts aren't going to let him get away with sexually abusing girls. They will be reluctant to suppress the evidence.

And what if some of them come forward and press charges? That opens up totally new legal angles.

"They were married for 27 years. Can you imagine being involved with someone for nearly three decades only to find out he diddles young girls?"

I can't imagine

Stephen Collins trending at #3 in the US:

True, R84. They were boys in that case.

[quote]wherein Mitchell admits during a therapy session with his estraged wife Faye Grant

Mitchell? Time for a Wikipedia edit.

[quote] the courts aren't going to let him get away with sexually abusing girls.

Some people have gotten off crimes on a technicality. What if a cops has proof of a murder, arrests the guy but doesn't read him his rights?

You don't think the courts are going to throw out the arrest warrant?

[quote] what if some of them come forward and press charges?

He said. she said. Plus statute of limitations.

No tape, no case.

So who leaked this tape to TMZ?

R88, from what I remember from my law school days, the courts balance out the rights of the accused vs. the interests of justice and society in letting the accused get away with something.

Turns out that Stephen Collins has written some erotic novels in his spare time:

R90 which is why we have appeals courts.

Plus the authenticity of the tape. Half a dozen expert witnesses on its authenticity, who knows what a jury will think.

Just think. If it wasn't taped no one would believe it. If she went to the police everyone would be trashing her for being a lying bitter woman. And that is why she taped it.

It doesn't matter if nothing happens criminally as some of you are predicting. Since it was taped we know it is true. End of career, no more sets with minors. No one will risk the liability.

Did the wife know about it beforehand? How did it come about that she had to tape him?

Good point, R93.

R92 may be right that some of the legal battles will be drawn out and that maybe he will escape prosecution. But the ramifications and public backlash to his career will be devastating.

Just go on Twitter now and see the thousands of angry people already calling for his head.

r94, maybe she was trying to gather evidence.

R91 et all

CHILL ALREADY.

I guess someone did go to the police, this is from tmz:

"Law enforcement sources tell us ... one alleged victim in the investigation is the relative of Collins' first wife, who we're told first reported the molestation in 2012. One law enforcement source tells us ... although decades have passed since the molestation, they believe the case can still be prosecuted because the statute of limitations runs from the date of reporting."

R94, read the original TMZ article. Here it is from the first page:

[quote]Collins -- who is in the middle of a nasty, prolonged divorce with actress Faye Grant -- revealed to her in 2012 he had molested and/or exposed himself to several underage girls years before. Collins and Grant went to a therapist where she peppered him with questions about the incidents ... and he not only answered, he was specific.

[quote]Here's what Collins didn't know at the time. Grant taped the therapy session. We're told her lawyer advised her it was legal to secretly record the conversation because in California you're allowed to secretly record conversations to gather evidence the other person committed a violent felony ... and molesting a child under the age of 14 qualifies.

R95 his career is over. And what he did is beyond reprehensible.

He is in a legal battle now, and a good defense attorney has some options of getting him off.

Collins first and foremost focus should be therapy and his legal troubles.

One does wonder if TMZ has shots of his cock, too.

R99 out of 100 posts 34 are yours. Knock it off already.

You can just smell the ladyham drippings running down R100's leg. Nothing gets her type as excited as moral outrage involving penises.

[quote] beyond reprehensible

You know she queefed just to be able to construct this nonsensical hyperbole. Maybe she doesn't realize that it means "not reprehensible."

I think R96 is correct. A commenter on Jezebel offers this:

[quote]yeah faye is my second cousin. This shit's whack. She is like the most genuine person and was so disturbed by all of this. All the shitty comments saying she should of spoken up sooner, well, she did, but investigators are just now moving forward. And he played with me as a kid! Nothing happened but it gives me the creeps.

It will probably emerge that Faye Grant started digging for answers after one of Stephen's victims came forward in 2012 and that was the reason for their divorce. The timeline seems to match.

R93 It was taped two years ago. Why did they wait two years to release it? Or is it a coincidence that its in the middle of a nasty divorce?

He's scum but she's no hero either.

R97/R102, why are you keeping track of how many times I posted? I know I posted a lot on this topic this morning. I'm home today and found this topic interesting so I did a lot of research while I had the computer at my fingertips.

I'm going offline now till later today if it makes you feel better, bitch.

It wouldn't surprise me if he has done more than he told the wife and therapist. I wonder if the wife saw something and that prompted him to have to explain. Likely, he wouldn't tell everything and would downplay it.

Hmm ... this reminds me ... what ever happened to Jeffrey Jones?

R52: Yikes, I stand corrected! The estimate is 1% of the adult male population...not 1 out of 10 (or 10%!)

"It was taped two years ago. Why did they wait two years to release it?"

Police knew about it....isn't that what matters? Why do cases have to be tried in the media?

R100 here to R103

If the tape is suppressed they have no case.

No tape, no case.

Hey R102 did we suddenly get a moderator? It's called a discussion. Mind your own business.

r111, that's not true. There may be other evidence against him and there could potentially be multiple victims coming forward.

R113 his word against theirs

I always thought there was something wrong with him. He could have had a successful film career but opted to play theatre and TV instead. A lot of stars who are thrusted into the spotlight and opt to fade away voluntarily often have some sort of 'defect' which they want to keep doing without the glare of fame. They want to remain under the radar but still work in the industry. I guess my gut feeling was right.

[quote]It wouldn't surprise me if he has done more than he told the wife and therapist.

I was about to comment that abusers tend to minimize the level of abuse perpetrated, like alcoholics say they drink less than they do and domestic batterers minimize the violence.

That he was as forthcoming as he was suggests that he was cornered with some type of evidence. Maybe his ex-wife talked to Faye? Or were there rumors in the industry? Who knows.

"his word against theirs"

So? People are more likely to believe "he said/she said" evidence when there are multiple victims. There could be other evidence as well that might emerge.

R117 but if the tape suppressed, all the the other evidence would be suppressed because it comes from the poisoned fruit. That being the tape.

r118, that's not how it works. Even if the tape is suppressed it wouldn't stop people from coming forward - apparently someone already has.

R119 is that person mentioned on the tape? If so that is poisoned fruit.

If not her word against his, and if the tape is suppressed it won't be introduced as evidence. As it would taint the jury.

[quote]That he was as forthcoming as he was suggests that he was cornered with some type of evidence. Maybe his ex-wife talked to Faye? Or were there rumors in the industry? Who knows.

It looks pretty simple:

[quote]Law enforcement sources tell us ... one alleged victim in the investigation is the relative of Collins' first wife, who we're told first reported the molestation in 2012.

One would assume the victim came forward, Grant learned of it from law enforcement and decided to do what she could to help the authorities when she realized it was true. The year the victim came forward is the year Grant left Collins after almost 30 years of marriage.

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Good for you, R115!

Thanks, R121. I wonder how long the police have had the tape or if they made any effort to investigate in '12 when it was reported.

r124, they are investigating right now - why do you think they didn't investigate?

R122 wins.

I second R124.

To clarify what I think R124 said: Have they been investigating this all this time? Or did the wife more recently hand over the tape?

Yes, that's what I mean, R127. A molestation investigation shouldn't take two years to complete.

Have any actors who have worked with him commented?

r128, the Jerry Sandusky investigation took 3 years.

Why leaked now?

R99 was also all over the Joe Jonas thread recently. He must've been home from work that day, too.

[quote]This is going to turn out even worse than Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

Mmmmm that brings back memories. I fucking loved her bald head. So smooth and soft.

Just like an infant's!

Yes, but there were many victims, institutional stonewalling from Penn State, and politics up the wazoo that protracted the investigation, R130.

One victim made the report about Collins in '12 and we don't know how long the police have had the tape.

[quote]It's estimated that 1 and 10 men are pedophiles.

Wow. That's quite a bullshit statistic that you totally pulled out of your ass. I completely stopped reading your post at that point.

1 AND 10? Well they caught Stephen Collins, and Jerry Sandusky is already behind bars. If they can just root out those last 9 we can wrap up this whole child molestation thing for good.

It's scary how many R69s post here.

r134, in the Penn State case there was only one victim initially. It took awhile for them to track down more victims. That is probably what is happening in this case.

R135, you seriously need to calm down. That poster already amended his original assertion with the correct 1% instead of 1 in 10.

How about you calm down instead, and stop calling people "bitch," R138.

[quote]It's estimated that 1 and 10 men are pedophiles

Only 11? That's not so much.

Don't get angry at me because you failed to read all the preceding posts before posting your botched criticism.

The language in the TMZ article is (unsurprisingly) fuzzy, so it could turn out that the victim came forward to her own family first, which caused Collins to discuss the issue in therapy, and then she spoke to police months or years later.

It seems like a lot happened in 2012. That it has taken this long to emerge isn't completely shocking: maybe the victim was afraid to go public, maybe Grant didn't want a tabloid kerfuffle since she has a daughter with Collins.

They've been squabbling over financial matters since divorcing. Maybe Grant pushed to get more money last year because she knew potential lawsuits would erode his wealth. There are a lot of questions here the tabloids will have a field day addressing.

He was just cut loose from Ted 2...

The guy should probably be on suicide watch.

[quote]Don't get angry at me because you failed to read all the preceding posts before posting your botched criticism.

Did you miss a dose? Think. This morning or last night? Call your shrink if you aren't sure. This could be serious.

R20, You beat me to it. He's going to kill himself and I do mean like right now. Very soon. Talking gun shot to the head.

"You beat me to it. He's going to kill himself and I do mean like right now. Very soon. Talking gun shot to the head."

People were saying the same thing about Michael Jackson and Jerry Sandusky. Didn't happen in either case.

I picture Collins not so much as a suicide, but as more of a leave-the-country-forever kind of guy.

Stephen Collins has been fired from “Ted 2” after a recording surfaced of him confessing to molestation, according to EW.

I'm fine. You're the one who goes off on people without reading preceding posts.

That person found out that what they posted had been in error, but you apparently just couldn't wait to jump on him/her about the previously erroneous statistic. It speaks to a very small person and mind.

I think the bigger shock here is the hotness of Nick Cannon.

Jesus Christ.

R146, Both Michael Jackson and Jerry Sandusky were in complete denial and truly believed they were innocent. Their denial protected their psyche.

This case is different. He's tape recorded admitting it. He can't hide behind denial. He's going to kill himself.

I never liked that Faye Grant.

[quote]People were saying the same thing about Michael Jackson and Jerry Sandusky.

Neither one were ever caught on tape admitting to anything.

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The LAPD also investigated him, along with the NYPD, but couldn't veriy that the victim existed (this is the victim he claims was related to a neighbor of his in LA)

The LAPD is reviewing the tape AGAIN to see if it missed something? Who bought them off?

TMZ has learned ... the LAPD actually launched an investigation into allegations of molestation involving Stephen Collins in November, 2012 and then closed it ... and now we're told the department is "revisiting" the investigation after we posted our story ... to determine if they missed anything.

An LAPD official tells us ... they received the audiotape posted on TMZ Tuesday morning back in 2012 and conducted a formal investigation. We're told there was "no verified victim," insinuating the probe was triggered by a tip.

As TMZ reported ... one of the victims is a relative of a neighbor in the L.A. area. As you hear in the audio, Collins confesses that one of the victims is the niece of an L.A. neighbor.

The LAPD official tells us ... they are now collaborating with the New York PD and are "re-listening" to the tape to see if they "missed anything."

How come none of the victims has ever come forward. I think that's kind of odd.

r156, what makes you think they were bought off? They had no verified victim, unlike the NYPD.

"How come none of the victims has ever come forward."

At least one did. Many child molestations victims don't come forward, they keep it to themselves, sometimes even lying to say they weren't abused (at least a couple Michael Jackson victims did this)

I knew I took that oath of celibacy for a reason.

[quote] This case is different. He's tape recorded admitting it. He can't hide behind denial.

And once half a dozen expert witness get through discrediting the tape who knows what a jury will think.

That is if the tape ever makes it to a court of law.

If that tape ever gets suppressed, the prosecution has no case, no matter how many victims come forward.

So far none have.

Depends on the evidence the victims have, R162. Witnesses, medical records, people they talked to years ago. They might have a case.

r162, you are wrong. A victim has come forward. I don't get this "they have no case" stuff - you realize most child abuse trials do not involve a ton of physical evidence or witnesses, right?

[quote]It's estimated that 1 and 10 men are pedophiles. While most of those men don't act on their urges

How the fuck could you come to that conclusion????!!!

R163 if the tape is suppressed it is consider 'poisoned fruit', and any evident that comes after the tape would thrown out of court.

Which means no case.

btw Collins just resigned from the Screen Actors Guild board

R164 ever hear of the McMartin trial?

Since then the burden of proof for these type of cases are much more higher in a court of law.

The prosecution needs a bullet-proof case.

If the tape is thrown out, any evidence surrounding the victim would be suppressed as well.

Which means they have nothing.

r166, you are assuming any evidence they have comes from the tape. Not necessarily an accurate assumption...

The tape is Fruit of the poisonous tree, and any other evidence obtained after that would be suppressed.

If the tape gets suppressed, so watch for it to go all the way to the Supreme court to keep that tape out of the courts.

r167, you do not need a "bulletproof" case to charge someone with child abuse, if by bulletproof you mean tons of supporting evidence. Sometimes prosecutors will bring a case to trial solely based on the word of the victim, without much supporting evidence, if the victim is very credible.

Again, your "they have nothing" comments assumes that all the evidence they have was gathered as the result of the tape. That is not necessarily true. You do not know what evidence they have against him.

Even so R170 half a dozen expert witnesses poking holes at the validity of the tape, and who knows what a jury will think.

Careful, R165. You are very close to triggering R149's PTSD.

She is extremely sensitive to "botched criticisms" and people who don't read an entire thread before commenting. So please be careful.

[quote] Sometimes prosecutors will bring a case to trial solely based on the word of the victim, without much supporting evidence, if the victim is very credible.

right just look at Tawana Brawley

Google her if you don't know who she is

[quote]The tape is Fruit of the poisonous tree, and any other evidence obtained after that would be suppressed.

OMG you watch too much Law and Order. Even if the tape is suppressed, that has NO EFFECT on any testimony by the victims. The only thing that will be suppressed is his actual confession. But that doesn't matter because he also WROTE THIS ALL DOWN. That won't be suppressed.

R170 the cops had a victim statement and the tape for two years.

No charges for a reason, that is NOT enough.

Especially with that tape, which could be suppressed as evidence.

[quote] But that doesn't matter because he also WROTE THIS ALL DOWN.

If he did it with the expectation of privacy in a therapy session, then it would be suppressed.

[quote]The tape is Fruit of the poisonous tree, and any other evidence obtained after that would be suppressed.

Any evidence [bold]obtained from the tape or as a direct result of the tape[/bold] will be suppressed. Victim statements have nothing to do with the tape, no matter when they are taken.

R167, The McMatin case was different as it was a classic "satanic panic" scenario. It started when a schizophrenic mother accused a male teacher of stabbing her son in the eye with a fork. She later accused him of being a Satanist. She then quickly died and was seemingly forgot. People weren't aware that she was mentally ill and took her insane accusations and ran with it. Parents grilled their children the wrong way and actually instilled within them the believe that they were sexually molested in satanic rituals. The children's stories were so absurdly bizarre that supporters censored most of them for fear that the public would not support them if they knew the full extend of the accusations. Some of the accusations included: teachers being able to fly, either by their own satanic power or with the aid of a hot air balloon, that students were flushed down toilettes into a secret room underneath the school where the satanic rituals and abuse took place, that strange animals one would see in a zoo where sacrificed, and that the children were forced to eat each shit and drink blood and piss.

During the course of the investigation they did discover the carcass of a sea turtle. However, analysis of the carcass indicated it was planted specifically on the site to lead credence to the children's accusations. There was also a "space" found underneath the school. Supporters claimed it was a room but to the unbiased it was just a hollow. It was later revealed the school was built on top of a trash dump.

All of the accused had their lives destroyed by false accusations. They sued and were only awarded $1 in compensation. If that wasn't a major slap in the face I don't know what is. It's obvious they were innocent and were the victims of fucking insane Christians.

R177 tell that to Tawana Brawley

You see why prosecutors don't bring every case like this to court.

They need hard evidence, not statements.

I was willing to give the "fruit of the poisonous tree" troll the benefit of the doubt until he brought up Tawana Brawley in this thread. Collins' situation has NOTHING in common with the Brawley fiasco, and R173 et al. is only bringing it up because he's trolling, or maybe trying to defend an admitted child molester.

R178 I'm glad you brought this up.

Do you know how many people are sitting in jail for being falsely accused of this? Have their lives destroyed?

Which is why the cops & DA need to have strong, hard evidence. Especially since this is a high profile case.

her word against Collins is not enough to get an arrest warrant.

What Stephen Collins allegedly did is the worst crime anyone can do to a child.

That being said I'm just talking legal matters here.

The cops & DA have a tough road to climb to get a conviction.

In this day and age, an accusation is not enough to get a conviction.

That is my whole point. They need hard evidence.

[quote]Do you know how many people are sitting in jail for being falsely accused of this? Have their lives destroyed?

See? One of our resident MRA trolls is trying to take over this thread. Starts in with questioning the evidence and its admissibility, then goes right for the hyperbole: McMartin trial! Tawana Brawley! Men constantly having their lives ruined by false accusations!

Except, of course, Collins fucking admitted it on tape, which widdle MRA guy here wants you to forget.

[quote]What Stephen Collins allegedly did is the worst crime anyone can do to a child.

O RLY?

[quote] Except, of course, Collins fucking admitted it on tape

And half a dozen expert witnesses later who knows what a jury will think of a tape that may or may not be doctored.

Why are some people so desperate to believe this is all some sort of frame-up?

"Are One In Ten Men Sexually Attracted To Children?"

So say Colorado-based researchers Sandy K. Wurtele and collegues in a new paper in the journal Sexual Abuse:

Nearly 10% of males and 4% of females reported some likelihood of having sex with children or viewing child pornography.

The study is an interesting attempt to probe the darkest depths of human nature, and raises questions about self-awareness.

Wurtele et al recruited 435 participants who completed a fully anonymous online survey. They were either undergraduate psychology students or came via Amazon’s MTurk (handy for research).

The lucky volunteers got to answer a range of questions about their sexuality and childhood experiences, and were then asked to rate their agreement with three statements:

I am sexually attracted to little children; I fantasize about having sex with a child; I masturbate to fantasies about having sex with a child

Here, 4% of men gave some degree of endorsement to each question (see below).

Other items asked how likely participants would be to commit various crimes “if you were sure that no one would know and that you would not get caught or be punished.”

40% of men said that they might rob a bank For buying sex, 34%; for sexual assault of an adult, the percentage who might was 16%; 13% for murder, 9% for viewing child pornography, 6% for actually having sex with a child and 5% for zoophilia.

For women, all of these rates were lower. Still, 2% of females said they might engage in child sex.

Rather worrying. But it turns out that these percentages are the result of a “you’re either with us, or you’re with the terrorists” approach to psychometrics.

The authors classed people as ‘endorsing’ or ‘admitting an interest’ in a particular behaviour if they gave any answer other than “Strongly Disagree” on a 6-point scale. That is, those who said they moderately disagreed were lumped with those (if there were any) who “Strongly Agreed” and all the other answers from the 5 options above absolute zero.

I’m not sure that makes sense.

The selection of the sample is also a concern; the authors note that the title of the study (“Sexual Experiences and Attitudes”) may have attracted a certain kind of person.

The authors acknowledge four limitations, but don’t address the biggest one – the fact that the survey is entirely self report. The questions assume that people can accurately introspect and to predict their own future behaviour, yet this is far from assured.

For example, if you ask people whether they would ever electrocute someone with 450 volts as part of a psychology experiment, they would say: never; I’m not that kind of person. But about 65% people put into that situation do, in fact, do that as Stanley Milgram showed.

Yet if we can be so wrong about whether we’d torture someone, can we trust our own beliefs as to whether we’d ever rob a bank – or have sex with a child?

[quote]And half a dozen expert witnesses later who knows what a jury will think of a tape that may or may not be doctored.

Except, he has yet to allege that it's been doctored. If it had been me and the tape was fake, that would be the first statement I made once the news started breaking. He doesn't seem to be denying the authenticity of the tapes.

Also, who exactly leaked the tape - the ex-wife or the doctor? It's not clear to me how TMZ got the tapes - not that it matters, just curious.

What is wrong with people. I realize there is no correlation, but an extremely handsome and relatively wealthy man like Collins (even in his 50s or 60s) could find a nice young twenty-something willing to do whatever.

While there is no excuse, they really need to study this and get a better understanding about both the impulse and lack of impulse control associated with this behavior - without all the hype or hysteria.

[quote] Why are some people so desperate to believe this is all some sort of frame-up?

Because in this country we are innocent until proven guilty

7th Heaven takes on a whole new meaning.

I wonder when he's gonna release his first statement?

He was always so hot.

"Also, who exactly leaked the tape - the ex-wife or the doctor? It's not clear to me how TMZ got the tapes - not that it matters, just curious."

The wife gave a statement saying she is not the one who leaked the tape. It's very possible that it was leaked by someone in law enforcement - they had the tape.

I learned about him authoring porn...er...erotica maybe ten years ago, and there are many beefcake photos of himm from the 60s.

The over 50 set would happily put out, but those sorts aren't always about just sex, but tweens...

But how did the tape get made? Did the wife tape it, or did the therapist?

There are TONS of these types of incidents not just in Hollywood, but everywhere. People are naive.

Link to Collins beefcake, please.

I wonder what his first wife has to say about him

Whatever the outcome in the justice system, he's already been tried and convicted in the social sphere.

I always got him mixed up with Andrew Stevens.

What a filthy and disgusting monster.

He was in an under-appreciated series, Tattingers, in the 80s with DL fave Blythe Danner (GOOP's mother) and Jerry Stiller (Ben's dad and of Seinfeld fame). It was a gem of a series that I think was cancelled after one or two seasons.

What happened, a few hours ago this thread wouldn't open for me. Glad it didn't get deleted by the web master.

He is distant cousin of Joan and Jackie, btw.

Interesting that they haven't commented yet.

Did Joan make a statement yet? It must be horrible for a mother to see something like this happening to your own flesh and blood.

r197, click on the link and scroll down for the beefcake

[quote] Interesting that they haven't commented yet.

Well, it's not often that the residents make official comments when doped at the old folks home.

And they just had a reunion!

Shirtless

Showing it off in the movie about his aunt, "A Woman Named Jackie."

r202, didn't he have the first butt-shot on TV in Tattinger's?

BEEEEEEP! BEEEEEEEEEP!

I agree with the earlier posters who hope Dan Schneider is next. If England can bust all their showbiz pedos, why can't we?

I spilled a lot of seed looking at the picture in the link in R206s post. I remember it was in US Magazine in a "Tales of the Gold Monkey" article.

Handsome on the outside, ugly on the inside

Told ya he was just a slug with a fancy tie on. Too low to kick and too wet to step on.

I hope he goes to jail.

Those photos on Angelfire don't show up for me

He was also perfect for The Two Mrs. Greenville's.

What's Angelfire, R218?

I can't believe the sick morons in this thread trying to shit on Grant for recording it. Fuck you, assholes.

This is one of those situations where it IS black and white. She's recording someone she knows is admitting to MOLESTING CHILDREN.

So, how many people with problems are going to drop out of therapy after this?

R30 and R43, I worked with him also and he couldn't have been nicer or more thoughtful.

R223, details please

Grant was fantastic on "V", and I remember them together in "Tattinger's"

It seems that he at least seemed to be attempting to come to terms with his actions...I feel bad for the victims, but also for Grant. Thinking you know someone, and then having the floor fall out from under your life is horrendous.

This guy could have had any womam he wanted. And he offended with very young girls, not high school barely-legals. Hard to imagine. A sad story in every way.

I also remember "Tales Of The Gold Monkey."

Has the "Mia is Evil, Woody a fantastic father and husband: troll weighed in?

Did he fuck Jessica Bierd?

Why would he fuck Jessica? She was too old for his taste.

CNN is reporting that the victim who came forward to the NYPD cannot seek justice because of the statute of limitations. That is why the investigation is taking so long, they are trying to find other victims. I wonder if someone in law enforcement leaked the tape in the hopes that others would come forward

"What Stephen Collins allegedly did is the worst crime anyone can do to a child."

Really? Touching hand to penis is the worst thing? What about penetrative rape and murder?

Has Catherine Hicks put out a statement?

Or a severe beating involving physical injury but Americans rationalize physical abuse as "discipline"

As soon as she puts down the fork, she will, R230.

Well, this 2013 TMZ story sure is interesting:

[quote]"7th Heaven" Star's Wife: I Want My Half

[quote]"7th Heaven" star Stephen Collins (who played the dad on the show) is raking in HUGE money with new acting gigs these days ... so says his estranged wife ... and now she wants a piece.

[quote]66-year-old Collins filed for divorce from 56-year-old Faye Grant last year after 27 years of marriage and according to new legal docs, Faye's NOT happy... She's asking the court for an unspecified amount of spousal support. She also wants half of a $6 million bank account which includes "7th Heaven" money, stat

If they were still together, would she have kept quiet about the alleged "dirty little secret?"

Hicks did put out a statement and she came off like an idiot.

I read elsewhere that one of the victims told Faye that Collins had done this to her, and Faye didn't believe her at the time. Since he made these confessions, she has contacted the victim to apologize for not believing her.

Also I read that the husband of a victim (now an adult, since as has been stated, this conveniently happened over ten years ago, according to Collins) berated Faye for not reporting him.

If true, perhaps these incidents prompted her suspicions.

I sent him my condolences.

I thought there was no statute of limitation on child molesting? Or is that murder?

Is child molesting seven years from when the molestee remembers it, or something like that?

Use r209's link and click on the various links for "A Woman Named Jackie" to see Collins displaying more than just his bare chest,

If he just lays low for a few years, it'll all blow over.

This Stephen Collins thing has me feeling so depressed, I liked him so much growing up.

When I think of all of the movie stars, preachers, priests, politicians who have all been outed to some crime they've committed, I start to think: Do ALL of us have some kind of skeleton in our closet that could do us damage?

R241= the ghost of Danny Thomas

You're full of it, R239. Just shirtless set shots.

Well, R241, I'm not excusing anyone's crime against children or other people, but we are all sinners, and none of us is perfect. So, in a way yes, we all probably have something in our past that we wouldn't want to be made public. Not on the level of child molestation, of course, but something we regret or are sorry for.

There are now rumors that he shot himself within the last hour.

He's just shot himself at his home in LA. Unknown if he survived.

I would like to change my sentence, "we are all sinners" to "we have all sinned".

whoa r246

There are shots of him in a bathing suit with full basket, too, r243. Did you click on ALL the "Woman Named Jackie" links?

Where did you hear that, r246?

he's dead.

He was a really, really bad actor.

BREAKING!! Steve Collins SHOT!

R242, are there other rumours about Danny Thomas other than the glass table one?

Always got this guy confused with Gary Collins.

Aww, man!

At least I still have Brian Kerwin.

r251, where are you reading this?

Really, really gross and unfunny, r253. Go play on a freeway,

[quote]Has the "Mia is Evil, Woody a fantastic father and husband: troll weighed in?

As usual, a Mia freak can't just state something plainly and honestly.

I have often said that Mia is crazy and vindictive. Her statements about Dylan cannot be believed and her brainwashing/controlling of her children is reprehensible. I have never said that Woody Allen is a fantastic father. I may have said he is a fantastic director. If I didn't, I'm saying it now.

Obviously the tape proves that Stephen Collins is guilty of the acts he admitted. Whatever the ugliness of the divorce situation between Collins and his wife, she did not invent this story the way Mia did.

I am also the OP of the "Why Doesn't Someone Do Something About That Child Molester Dan Schneider" thread.

The world and the people in it are more complicated than you allow yourself to believe, R225. t

"Suicide" claim is a false alarm

I wouldn't be surprised if he commits suicide, but we need a legitimate link if he shot himself

Nope still alive according to TMZ ~

It's all over Twitter that he shot himself -- LAPD has no confirmation anything happened and plenty of people are saying they contacted LAPD directly.

The Twitter rumors are that some of Collins' neighbors are reporting he's dead and/or there was the sound of a single gunshot from his home.

Just rumors though, at least for now.

Guess I should link to something on Twitter: Here's Matthew Keys saying an LAPD source said Collins shot himself.

Hey, R258, can you go start a "Mia Farrow is crazy" thread and leave this one to the topic at hand?

Shots fired news story link

UGH. This is disgusting. Poor guy is being eaten alive. He did some terrible things, but he deserves a bit of compassion.

Now the story is LAPD has allegedly checked Collins' home after reports of a gunshot, but no one was in the home at the time.

Well, that Tweet disappeared very quickly, R263.

I told you all bitches he would do it and I even stated it would be from a gun shot to the head. Eat it bitches!

Interestingly, it was the ABC7 news crew (linked at R256) who claimed they heard shots.

I would like to invite R244 and the other Christians here to go fuck themselves, and the ass they rode in on.

Yeah, I see that R268 -- Keys deleted that tweet quickly after Ryan Parker and others with real sources weighed in.

He's a Christian?

I could, R264, but I won't. I was just responding to one of the Mia loons. Carry on Collinsing.

R269 Madame Kreska Knows ! ! !

Looks like it was a false alarm. Police entered his house over reports of a gun shot but found no one there.

He's in the attic.

This was a big excuse for the police to enter Collins' house and search for child porn without a warrant.

ATTICA! ATTICA!! ATTICA!!!

Lorna Luft---feel free to chime in here with your comments, dear.

Some dimbulb neighbor who used to be on Bay Watch reported it, probably wanted her name in the news

R279, I did, sweetie. Try R12.

It's now being reported that the cops new of the tapes for 2 years but did nothing about it.

I mean, how do they expect you to get uncrazy if you're asleep all the time?

Calm down, R271. No one is attacking your crazy atheist ass!

Children come on to me all the time. I have to beat them back with a stick. I'm sure Stephen Collins endured what I have endured all of my adult life.

It is the CHILD'S fault. Always has been, always will be.

Well, Scarlett, I never trusted him around Bonnie.

He played a convincing sociopath in a movie with Keri Russell about a guy dating the (post pubescent) babysitter after he murdered his wife. He even tried to blow up Phylicia Rashad's character in the movie! It was pretty good and suspenseful for a Lifetime movie.

Anyone who wants to blow up DL fave Phylicia Rashad can't be all bad.

Nothing to see, move along...

I'm sure all of us have had the urge to blow up Phylicia Rashad at one time or another.

Sara Goldberg---who appeared on TV's 7th Heaven---dies in her sleep at age 40.

Stephen Collins declared "person of interest" by police.

If r285 isn't joking the webmaster needs to just ban him right now, maybe pass his IP onto the proper authorities for good measure. DL doesn't need to become a haven for pedophiles along with the freepers and racists.

I just reported this filth on the One Million Moms website. Oh, I hope they do snap to action and now have to boycott the show that they probably grew up humping their pillows while watching.

The guy who played the father on 7th Heaven is a confessed child molester. He molested 3 young girls, none older than 13 at the time. On this show he plays a man who is shown as the trustworthy father figure and is is often alone with young children in scenes on that show. In those scenes he speaks gently and lovingly to them in order to gain their trust. This television show provides a confessed child molester with a platform to train pedophiles how to gain the trust of young children. How to speak to them in order to gain their trust. How to get them used to the feeling of his touch, so he can later cross the line while being seen as a trusted authority figure. He is also teaching children to respect and honor the authority of the seemingly kind-hearted father figure who later drops his towel by "accident" and gently puts their small hands places they simply never should be placed. This is a horrible, awful show that must never air again. I only hope it's not too late. I mean, no one actually watched that piece of shit show... did they?

What the f*ck is wrong with his neck in R289 's pic?

The divorce papers are out! Faye Grant and Stephen Collins’ divorce papers surfaced on Oct. 7, following the release of audio where the ‘7th Heaven’ actor allegedly admits to molesting underage girls. In the papers, Faye reveals how ‘disgusted’ she was after her husband ‘admitted that he had sexually molested three underage girls.’

Actress Faye Grant, 57, recorded her husband Stephen Collins, 67, in 2012 during a therapy session admitting to molesting multiple underage girls. However, now that the audio has leaked, both NYPD and LAPD are investigating, and Faye has spoken out in an official statement, as well as legal documents.

Stephen Collin’s Confession On January 19, 2012, just a month after Faye and Stephen separated following 27 years of marriage, she learned he “had been living a secret life,” the papers obtained by TMZ state.

“In the presence of his therapist, Stephen admitted that he has engaged in a long term pattern of sexually abusing minor children, including sexually molesting three young girls over a decade ago,” she wrote. “Stephen’s therapist subsequently disclosed to me that Stephen has narcissistic personality disorder with sociopathic tendencies. I believe that Stephen used his celebrity status to engender the trust of the families of the children he molested. I further believe that there have been other victims, but he has thus far only confessed to those three girls.”

She went on to admit that the husband of one of Stephen’s victims called her and berated her for not going to the police. After his admission, she reported the acts to both LA County police and NYPD/ She believes all victims are now over the age of 26, and were from the ages of 10-14 when the incidents occurred.

Stephen’s Wife Speaks Out “I woke up today to learn that an extremely private recording I handed over to the authorities in 2012 per their request in connection with a criminal investigation was recently disseminated to the press,” Faye told E! News. “I had no involvement whatsoever with the release of the tape to the media.”

This comes just hours after TMZ released the audio tape where a man (believed to be Stephen) reveals a string of incidents to his wife at the time and therapist in 2012. In the audio recording, which the 7th Heaven actor was unaware of, he confesses to inappropriate behavior with multiple underage girls — from the ages of 11, 12, and 13.

It is legal in California to secretly record conversations in an effort to gather evidence if the person is believed to have committed a felony.

[italic] Odd then, that in May of 2012 she said this when he filed for divorce from her: "Stephen's filing for divorce is a surprise. I am devastated," she tells E! News. "I wish him the very best in whatever path he chooses to take. Twenty-seven years of marriage in Hollywood is the equivalent of 189 dog years. I was exhausted." [/italic]

13? He's into MILFS??

For a moment, put aside knowing or not knowing he's being taped...Why on earth would he admit this even in a therapy session with a woman with whom he's going through a bitter divorce?

What is the point of indicting yourself or putting yourself in grave legal danger?

That reads like a publicist approved statement. If she or someone representing her actually said that to E!, then it IS odd, but it was probably just a bunch of bs.

[quote]I spilled a lot of seed looking at the picture in the link in R206s post.

In the past I hope, not after today.

The part where she says she's surprised and devastated seems genuine.

[quote]It's now being reported that the cops new of the tapes for 2 years but did nothing about it.

Disgusting. No wonder this type of thing is so common, and why people like Collins can probably get away with it for so long.

I wonder who released the tape, and why?

[wuote]I worked with him also and he couldn't have been nicer or more thoughtful.

Very interesting. But not unusual. Cases like this just prove the old truth about the duality of human nature.

Robert Louis Stevenson captured this perfectly back in the 1880's when he wrote "Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde". The people in that story had no clue that the kindly, respected Dr. Jekyll was the same man as the murderous Mr. Hyde.

[quote]I worked with him also and he couldn't have been nicer or more thoughtful.

Very interesting. But not unusual. Cases like this just prove the old truth about the duality of human nature.

Robert Louis Stevenson captured this perfectly back in the 1880's when he wrote "Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde". The people in that story had no clue that the kindly, respected Dr. Jekyll was the same man as the murderous Mr. Hyde.

[quote]Now the story is LAPD has allegedly checked Collins' home after reports of a gunshot, but no one was in the home at the time.

What a weird story. Gunshots are reported at the Collins house, but no one is there?

It's too bad. He and the bald bitch made a cute couple in the first Star Trek movie. I could picture him rubbing that bald scalp while she gives him head.

How does someone die of natural causes at age 40 in the present day?

"Why on earth would he admit this even in a therapy session with a woman with whom he's going through a bitter divorce?"

The wife had been in contact with the now-grown girls. Maybe they claimed he was violent or something, and he claimed he barely touched them. The tape is him denying genital-to-genital contact, isn't it?

I can't think of another scenario.

Anorexia, R307, that would be my guess from looking at her but you never know. Cancer leading to heart failure, could have been anything.

[quote]The tape is him denying genital-to-genital contact, isn't it?

Not exactly. Collins says he put a girl's hand on his penis.

I love you R293.

[quote] this conveniently happened over ten years ago, according to Collins)

The woman who came forward in the NYPD was molested during his first marriage, so it was 36-44 years ago. She was watching TV with her husband in the '90s when a show of his came on. It was the first time she had revealed that she was molested. She sent an anonymous letter to Grant in 2000. Grant confronted him and he said that it was during a time where jeans with holes were popular and the girl must have seen his penis through a hole.

[quote]What a weird story. Gunshots are reported at the Collins house, but no one is there?

My second thought (after suicide) was that it may have been a vigilante act against Collins and his property. My third thought was that somebody wanted to start some drama and made it up.

[quote]How does someone die of natural causes at age 40 in the present day?

The article I read said something about a suspected heart condition. Persis Khambatta died of a heart attack at 49.

[quote]he said that it was during a time where jeans with holes were popular and the girl must have seen his penis through a hole.

But yet he admits on the tape that he put the girl's hand on his penis.

[quote]The article I read said something about a suspected heart condition. Persis Khambatta died of a heart attack at 49.

So 2 women who worked with Collins both died in their 40's?

Hmm. Is it possible they knew something and needed to be put out of the way?

How often have we heard about abusers having been horribly abused themselves in childhood? Therapists remind us that, while this revelation should never excuse adult abusers, it does tend to expose its roots in childhood. Nobody has any idea what horrors from his own childhood he may live with or be suppressing....

Very interesting that Ruthie didn't make it to that reunion. Will she turn out to be a victim as well? Or did he just jack off to her in his trailer? And I can't believe that fucking show only ended seven years ago.

When confronted with an anonymous letter he minimized. He was confronted with some sort of evidence in the therapy session 12 years later and I suspect he still minimized.

R316 Do you have a point?

[quote]My second thought (after suicide) was that it may have been a vigilante act against Collins and his property.

That's a scenario that never really happens, though.

Is R316 saying Collins was abused as a boy? What do we know about his parents?

The poor daughter.

310, 308 was talking about "genital-to-genital" contact, as in penis to vagina contact, not hand to penis contact.

R320, there's a lot of anger against Collins on Twitter right now. If you go on there, you'll see people saying he should be killed, beaten, etc.

I guess I should have read it more closely, R323. But does it really matter? He admits he put this girl's hand on his penis. It's still pretty serious & disgusting.

R324, good point. I somehow momentarily forgot about the rabidness of social media.

For every act that a pedophile admits or gets caught at, there are always many more. This does not only happen three times in a lifetime. He's fucked.

Especially if it turns out that he's a sociopath, R327.

Yes, 325, it is, but I think penetrating a child's vagina with your finger or penis is even worse and is probably more traumatizing and painful.

I don't condone child molesting, but I think at some point, society has to recognize that there are different degrees of damage and different degrees of evil. As disgusting as what Stephen Collins did, he's a saint compared to my mother's stepfather.

I don't think what Stephen Collins did is something he deserves to have the rest of his life destroyed over or what he should be remembered for in the long run. Should he be publicly humiliated? Should he do some jail time? Yes, I believe so.

But the more we recognize the different degrees of harm from an act, the more safe we can make potential pedophiles feel about coming out of the closet and talk about their problems, and perhaps prevent abusive acts against children from happening.

[quote]As disgusting as what Stephen Collins did, he's a saint compared to my mother's stepfather.

But R329, as R327 says, there may be additional offenses that we don't know about. These are only the ones that he admitted to in the therapist's office on the audio tape.

There could be others he has kept hidden so far.

Also, I want to add, if you say you want to kill somebody, people might empathize.

If you say you want to molest a child, NOBODY will empathize.

R329 No one gives a fuck about your mother's stepfather. Molestation is molestation. Ask his victims if Collins deserves a career. You don't even know if the ones we know about are the only ones. Go to some pedophilia forum to spout your bullshit because you don't belong here.

[quote]What's amazing is that one of the 3 girls he admits to abusing is a relative of his first wife, Marjorie Weinman.

I guess you don't know how pedos operate, they usually abuse those closest to them. Nieces and nephews are very convenient to these pervs.

There was a pedo in my family, a relative through marriage, he sexually abused a young boy his wife babysat as well as a few nieces. He was obsessed with sex, he might have even fucked his dog, his urge to be sexual wasn't just towards children. He was beyond creepy.

He also once grabbed my elderly grandmother by the breast, I was very young at the time, but I remember my grandfather seeing what he did. My grandfather beat him to a pulp. The problem was, years ago, there were no sex offender laws in place. This bastard died without being prosecuted. We did not know at the time he was abusing his two nieces, but there was a rumor about the boy his wife babysat, because the kid no longer wanted to go there any longer. She would run out to do errands and he was alone with the boy.

I know a woman whose brother-in-law was sexually abusing his three sons! The wife caught him one night in one of the son's bedrooms. She filed for divorce immediately.

In this situation, the wife was a stay-at-home wife who gave up her job to take care of her small sons, the pedo was a successful businessman. I think you know the rest, she didn't press charges because he threatened there would be no money to support his sons until they were out of college, not if he was in jail. He basically got away with it because the wife and sons needed his money.

Shut up, R332, that viewpoint is not going to help things.

You do not give a shit. If you really did, you wouldn't say, "No one gives a fuck about your mother's stepfather."

Methinks R332 could be a child molester. The lady doth protest much.

I think R332's point was that people shouldn't be trying to minimize without Collins did without knowing the *extent* of the abuse he was involved in.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R334/r335 You're the one saying that there are degrees of molestation, as if having an adult make you touch his genitals is not a big deal.

No one DOES give a shit about your mother's stepfather...in relation to Stephen Collins. Whatever it is that he did doesn't make Collins a better person. He's still absolute scum and anyone who defends him is scum.

Look, if someone as good looking as Stephen Collins made you play with his beautiful dick----would you really call it child molestation.

There. I thought not. All is settled now.

CBS New York

Actor Stephen Collins Under Investigation For Possible Sex Crimes

R329, you're accepting his version of the events as fact. IMHO that's unlikely to be true, if that's what he was willing to tell his wife during therapy, the truth was probably far worse.

I also wonder why the hell you want to be so nice to pedophiles, and encourage them to come out and talk about it. Fuck that - therapy doesn't cure pedophilia, and letting them talk would only encourage them to act like a persecuted minority. No, if they ever touch a child, throw them in prison and cut off their dicks.

R338, I never said it was not a big deal. Did you not see where I wrote, "Yes, R325, it is [pretty serious and disgusting]"?

But... I think it is flat out WRONG to paint all child molesters with such a broad brush stroke, as if they're all equally bad. You wouldn't put someone who snorts coke occasionally and somebody addicted to heroin in the same moral category.

There is such a thing as redemption and forgiveness.

[quote]if that's what he was willing to tell his wife during therapy, the truth was probably far worse.

True. His wife says in the court documents linked above that she believes there were other victims.

We cannot assume it was just these 3.

If, after all of this, you still have a huge crush on Stephen Collins, this is probably and excellent time to invite him over to your place for Thanksgiving. He won't be busy.

Go confess somewhere else R342. You're creeping me out.

Why couldn't he just vacation in Thailand with the rest of us?

I guess I can't say N A M B L A Vacation Committee here.

@R136, I thought the same thing. Fucked up, isn't it?

The people who are saying Collins was very nice and beloved and they're shocked about this news don't surprise me. It seems pretty common that predators will develop a popular social persona.

Our high school band teacher was a serial molester -- he ended up having to marry the 16-year-old student he knocked up after diddling her since she was 11 -- but he is still, to this day, beloved. Professional former A-list bands recruit him for modern recordings, colleagues talk about how ultra cool this guy is, his Facebook is full of former students falling over themselves to suck up to him.

Meanwhile, the boys and girls he groped (and worse) are all conspicuously absent from this lovefest. None have come out and named him, for obvious reasons.

Collins is famous and firmly B list, so I can't imagine how tough it would be to come out as one of HIS victims.

Per the divorce papers, HIS therapist told Faye Grant that he has a "narcissistic personality disorder with sociopathic tendencies," which explains the charming, nice guy exterior. People who work with him on the set or who are not part of his personal life are not likely to see these qualities.

I noted above that the Daily Mail is reporting that he reveal the abuse to Grant in a written confession. (Yes, I know it's the DM.) But if his disclosure is true, her presence at his therapy session makes me wonder if he was trying to salvage the marriage. It had to come at his invitation. It is awfully narcissistic to think this...

Now, the quibble I have is the therapist disclosing this to Grant unless Collins signed a release of information.

This is only Day 1 of this story.

In the days & weeks ahead, other victims could come forward.

Who knows what shape this will all take. It's early days yet.

Looks like Collins has finally responded through his lawyer:

[quote]My Wife Peddled Tape to Squeeze Money Out of Me

Stephen Collins' lawyer is putting his client's estranged wife Faye Grant on blast, claiming she has been trying to use the audiotape for years to extort money out of the actor.

Collins' lawyer, Mark Vincent Kaplan, tells TMZ, "Over the course of my representation of Stephen in the divorce case, Faye has repeatedly threatened to give this audiotape to the media unless Stephen agreed to pay her millions of dollars more than that to which she was legally entitled."

Kaplan goes on, "When these demands were rebuffed, Faye attempted -- without success -- to peddle the tape in numerous ways to numerous different people. It appears that she has finally found an audience for this tape -- not surprisingly, on the eve of the trial in the divorce case where, again, she is seeking millions of dollars more than that to which she is legally entitled."

Kaplan then says he'd like to address the audio confession but can't, saying, "Though we would like to address the tape itself, the circumstances dictate that we must regrettably refrain from doing so at this time."

And a source close to Collins says the incidents on the audiotape occurred between 20 and 40 years ago.

Stephen Collins‘ lawyer is breaking his silence following the release of an audio tape in which his client confesses to allegedly molesting children.

The lawyer, Mark Vincent Kaplan, says that Stephen‘s estranged wife Faye Grant has tried to use the tape in the past to extort money out of him.

“Over the course of my representation of Stephen in the divorce case, Faye has repeatedly threatened to give this audiotape to the media unless Stephen agreed to pay her millions of dollars more than that to which she was legally entitled,” Mark said in a statement to TMZ.

“When these demands were rebuffed, Faye attempted — without success — to peddle the tape in numerous ways to numerous different people. It appears that she has finally found an audience for this tape — not surprisingly, on the eve of the trial in the divorce case where, again, she is seeking millions of dollars more than that to which she is legally entitled,” he added. “Though we would like to address the tape itself, the circumstances dictate that we must regrettably refrain from doing so at this time.”

Police were called to Stephen‘s home on Tuesday evening after false reports of a single gunshot and suicide attempt were reported.

The thing is, while it may be true that his wife is trying to extort money out of him, it doesn't change the fact that he's on tape admitting to sexually abusing girls.

Riiight. Because it took her years to find a gossip outlet that would take the tapes.

Besides, what good does it to her now that the tapes are released? She has no blackmail material anymore and now he's at risk of losing all his money in civil suits -- he's already lost a lot of income. It doesn't do her any good to release these tapes, and any lawyer would have told her that.

Sorry, didn't see R352's post.

That's okay, R356, it's from a different website, and we posted at about the same time.

Why is Collin's lawyer sending out press releases at 2AM?

[quote]You wouldn't put someone who snorts coke occasionally and somebody addicted to heroin in the same moral category.

I would. In fact, I would have a little more sympathy for the addict than the occational user.

[quote]Why is Collin's lawyer sending out press releases at 2AM?

I think it was 10 PM Pacific time when it was originally released, but who knows.

[quote]You wouldn't put someone who snorts coke occasionally and somebody addicted to heroin in the same moral category.

Idiot. What are you, a fucking mormon? Since when is addiction a moral issue?

Are you a gay man? If so, that would be interesting, because millions of people the world over truly believe you wouldn't be if you had any morals.

Here's an article about the blow up between Collins & Jessica Biel over her photo shoot:

[quote]Riiight. Because it took her years to find a gossip outlet that would take the tapes

I had the same thought as soon as I read that. What a fool that attorney is. First, for not telling his client to give her anything she demands, and second, for making that idiotic comment about it taking the wife 'years' to get the media to pay attention to a sensational story (complete with audio confession) about a child molesting TV priest. Uh huh.

Wow @ R362. Funny that it's so often offenders themselves who demonstrate OTT moral outrage at the behavior of others. Attempting to exorcise their own demons, I suppose. How classic.

[quote]On the tape, Collins is heard talking to Grant and to a therapist about exposing himself to underage girls. One was 11 when he started, and Collins says it continued when she was "12 and 13." That particular girl is thought to be a relative of his first wife, Marjorie Weinman.

[quote]"There was never any conversation. ... There one moment of touching," he says, "where her hand, I put her hand on my penis."

[quote]But the more we recognize the different degrees of harm from an act, the more safe we can make potential pedophiles feel about coming out of the closet and talk about their problems, and perhaps prevent abusive acts against children from happening.

You believe in unicorns don't you, R329?

Direct link to TMZ audio recording:

Collins was right about the Jessica Biel Gear cover being inappropriate, but if you took all the nude and seminude photos of women under 18 out of mainstream publications you'd have a lot of blank spaces. Kate Moss did her first nude photoshoot at 16, reportedly because she was told her career would be over if she didn't.

Shit like this is why women can't be trusted and are to be avoided.

Everyone on the set of 7th Heaven knew he fondled my junk!

Collins has a lot of nerve lecturing someone else about morality.

Wow, he looks just like a mix of Fraiser and Niles.

Did he molest any boys?

For what it is worth Nancy Grace was on ET and said at this point charges against Stephen Collins are unlikely.

No one else freaked out by our country's seeming acceptance of these covert tapings that seem to be happening with increasing regularity.

Did Collins keep a diary?

Wife claims he said if they had a boy he would be tempted to have oral sex with him. WTF?

I hate snitches. What he did was bad, but what she did was worse. I hope she gets raped and knocked up with the rapist's baby.

Of course that bitch would probably enjoy it.

[quote]Since when is addiction a moral issue?

Prior to it being classified as a disease. Please Google 'prohibition', r361

I can't believe you people are more bothered by taping than this guy molesting children.

It was 1972, time has run out, leave him alone. Nobody came forth except an ex wife trying to get more money.

Grant, who is in the middle of divorce proceedings with Collins, makes an extremely disturbing claim about another one of her husband's confessions – this time, involving their own child.

According to TMZ, Grant sent the following email to Collins a year after his taped confession in 2012:

The comment you made just before I gave birth to our daughter when you said you hoped we didn't have a little boy, because 'you just didn't know if you could keep his little penis out of your mouth' was indication enough that you were sick ..."I should have followed my gut then, and then again 14 years ago, and kicked your ass to the curb. However, the site adds that a source close to Collins calls the email and its allegations “absolutely untrue.”

It's not the taping, it's the point of it. She doesn't care he molested anyone. She just wants to use the crime so she can get something on him. If she could have gotten him by him say, stealing a million dollars, that would've been enough.

She is a louse posing as a crusader.

She is nothing more than Linda Trippe.

[quote]It's not the taping, it's the point of it. She doesn't care he molested anyone.

She immediately gave the tape to law enforcement, for reasons that had nothing to do with their bickering over a divorce settlement. If he'd been arrested and brought up on charges, his fortune would've gone to lawyers and not to her.

Regardless of the personal animosity between the two of them, and her rage at feeling her spousal support was inadequate after she gave up her career for their marriage, she clearly cared about the fact that he was an admitted criminal more than she cared about cash.

Did you bother to read the link at R382? She's now claiming stuff that happened fourteen years prior to the therapy.

What fucking person lets such an off the wall comment slide?

383 replies and no one has mentioned that Collins was just being authentic to his Christian pastor role?

[quote]What fucking person lets such an off the wall comment slide?

Not to mention one of his victims reached out to her years ago, at which time Collins made excuses to Grant that she apparently accepted. It was only when he finally came clean to Grant that she chose to leave him and go to law enforcement.

I can't claim to understand what makes someone stay with a sick partner, or the tortured rationalizations she must've made to herself to sustain denial for so many years, but the 2012 timeline does indicate that once her worst fears about him were confirmed Grant didn't hesitate to contact the police, even knowing that it might destroy him financially.

You're so obviously wearing hindsight googles. r385.

Pretty much everyone lets such an off the wall comment slide. On the first date of course it's a deal breaker. 9 month pregnant very few will run because of one weird comment. Most will just ponder it a bit, some will raise a stink that will end with the guy explaining how it was just a tasteless joke and he's sorry and no break up. Maybe 1 in 1000 would actually waddle out of the likely newly purchased home with the already prepared nursery, telling everyone how their marriage failed because he made that really off the wall comment...

I mean, yes, she should have left the perv, but no, it is not weird, suspicious or a moral failing in the slightest that she didn't.

[quote]What he did was bad, but what she did was worse

No.

R387 That doesn't make her a hero, though.

I'm sorry, but if your husband tells you that he's glad you didn't have a boy because he would love to suck him off, and you think nothing of it, you're an idiot.

No normal parent says something like that R338. Get out of here with trying to rationalize that shit.

She's a pretty rotten person. HE is a monster. Big difference.

So was Stephen Collins an equal opportunity child toucher? Since he said that comment to his wife are we to assume he may have done something with boys too?

[quote]I can't believe you people are more bothered by taping than this guy molesting children.

R380, I can't believe you come to a gay website and address its posters as "you people", while cherry-picking reactions to child molestation accusations and conflating a vocal and persistent minority with everyone posting here.

The vast majority of us are disgusted by Stephen Collins. R378 and the like are trolling, they are not representative of everyone on Datalounge or whoever you're addressing as "you people".

R390, I'm not claiming she's a hero, only that the tapes weren't simply made for financial reasons (so she could "get something on him").

R392 Difference, but not much. She saw the signs, and made the choice to ignore them. Even though that she had a child with him.

[quote]I can't claim to understand what makes someone stay with a sick partner, or the tortured rationalizations she must've made to herself to sustain denial for so many years,

The reason was given. She only cares about herself and how she could use this situation to get herself more cash.

It was like Scott Peterson's bitch. She only came off as a "victim" when she thought she could make millions on the book she would write.

How many people here would believe her if she didn't have the tapes? How many people would lump her into the Mia Farrow spiteful ex-wife/girlfriend camp?

It makes you question just how many "signs" she got and chose to ignore. Yesterday, it was just supposed to be the one incident. Now today, this pops up.

So, yes he's a monster, that goes without question. He deserves to lose everything. But you can't fault people at this point for questioning her motives and actions either.

The only one I feel bad for is their daughter.

r397, you come off as a misogynist. You are just going after these women because they are female.

If he was unsure about his ability to not molest a son, and he admits to having molested girls, the daughter will probably be key to any further revelations.

So he had a thing for boys as well?

Any word from David Gallagher? I always sensed something weird between them on screen.

"Shit like this is why women can't be trusted and are to be avoided."

It's the WOMAN who is the problem in this case?!

"I hate snitches. What he did was bad, but what she did was worse. I hope she gets raped and knocked up with the rapist's baby."

Why do misogynist men's rights activist types troll here? Go away.

I don't know which post R403 is quoting, but that person is a downright monster. What a sick and twisted individual.

Snitches are the usually the only reason people get caught. I guess if someone snitched that someone had murdered a gay man as part of a hate crime you would hate that snitch too.

That would be R369 and R378, R404.

I have zero sympathy for child molesters. I think they all need to be chemically castrated, if not physically castrated. Repeat offenders need to be executed.

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"Repeat offenders need to be executed."

Maybe you could move to Iran, you will like the justice system there.

'Pedophilia is a recognized sickness'

Yeah, and the only cures should be being locked up for life or a bullet to the brain.

Jumping from page 3 to comment. I do think child molesters and rapists are the filth of humanity and should never be free but judging this from his pov alone - HOW DUMB IS THIS MAN??? Why would he confess both to a therapist and his wife knowing he might not be protected by privilege? If he wanted to get it of his chest, why didn't he go to confession (even if he isn't a Catholic)?

Maybe he wanted to get caught.

I don't think Grant is at fault for his molestation at all.

She recieved an anonymous letter years ago, which caused her to question her [italic]husband[/italic] - her life partner and father of her children.

Of course he's not going to just come clean with her. He probably hedged and withheld info.

They were in therapy, people -- she was looking to repair their relationship because she was bothered by the anon letter and his bullshit lies.

So he confessed "the truth" in therapy thinking that would somehow "heal" the relationship...but...well, child molestation is a boner killer. She probably was sexually repulsed by him after his confession.

She recorded it because nobody would believe her. He's rich and famous...they usually skate without evidence. Like someone mentioned, just look at Woody Allen and Mia Farrow. Had she had a confession on tape, then that would be the end of the speculation. But Grant does have it on tape, and yet she's sill being blamed as a scorned woman here.

I listened to the confession, and the wife was DEVASTATED and freaked out. I don't think she enabled him AT ALL.

I agree with r412 - on the tape she sounds like she is on the verge of tears

More proof of white heterosexual privilege. Sc looks like the all American boy so it's OK that he's a pedophile. How sick. All the pedos should receive the death penalty for what they've done to their victims.

"Sc looks like the all American boy so it's OK that he's a pedophile. How sick. All the pedos should receive the death penalty for what they've done to their victims."

Um, only a handful of trolls think it's okay. And supporting the death penalty is for freepers. Did you get this enraged over Adrian Peterson or do you only think abuse deserves the death penalty if it's sexual?

Truth is his evil bitch wife is to blame as well, withholding this info just to get at his millions in the divorce settlement. She is mouthing off about him daily to the media saying all this shit about his molesting girls 14 years ago and she knew all about it but said nothing because she loved her rich lifestyle. And then when she GOT NOTHING in the divorce settlement she took revenge on him by releasing this bullshit.

YOU'RE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IN AMERICA, get it? That's in the friggen Constitution.

He's being friend by the media and TMZ without a a fair trial.

That ex-wife Faye should be indicted for withholding

Uh, where's the evidence that she withheld anything? You want to believe the worst about her because she's female. There is no evidence that she is the one who leaked the tape, either.

R417, The tapes were turned over to the cops two years ago. She could have gone public then but didn't. She wanted the cash. He's still a monster but she's a greedy cunt that only cares about getting his money.

I feel so sorry for this man. This happened a while ago and he is a human being. This disgusting woman is just looking for a payday it's so obvious. She's ruined his career and his life. Hasn't she done enough? Now she had to release questionable emails to further drag his name through the mud? I hope she gets zip.

Chilling to think r416 might not be a troll... Leave the poor child molester alone! Fry his wife because she married a child molester and then turned against him! Wow.

Shit, this thread is taken over by pedos.

Ignore the obvious trolls. Anyone expressed sympathy for this man or anger towards his wife is obviously trolling and trying to provoke. Ignore them.

It's not being a pedo to see gold diggers for what they are. Collins does not deserve what this horrible woman has unleashed on him.

R422 can't handle that not everyone feels that Collins is the bad guy here.

R375/R419/R423/R424, tell me a thread you've posted on before today. If you're not a troll, trolldar will show you on other threads being sane.

r416, you are the biggest moron around. SC ADMITTED THE MOLESTATION, and was tape-recorded doing so.

How's THAT for GUILTY?

R422, He's a monster. But so is his wife. She sat on it for 2 years. Why are you giving her a pass? How many kids did he molest in that time period all because she refused to go public.

Faye Grant said the 'baby boy' email is fake.I believe it.If he couldn't get away of little boys penis,why did he abused little girls?

IGNORE THE TROLL

R425, you are the troll for refusing to believe that not everyone shares your opinion.

Agree with r430. People like r425 are ruining DL.

Stop telling people what comments are and are not acceptable.

r416 is totally projecting.

Snap out of it!

I have a question to lawyers. Can his wife and shrink be summoned as witnesses to a confession/s? Is that hearsay or not?

Since woman hating is the norm for the DL, I'm not surprised at fucktards like R430.

As a young boy, I would have broken my piggy bank and PAID Stephen Collins to let me touch his dick.

So I'm trying to decide if freepers have discovered this thread and are trying to implicate Datalounge as a misogynistic pedo-loving site? They're probably posting links to this thread as I type. You want to get it closed down?

You do know that the dumb fuck freepers really do think we like and approve of pedophilia and they want to shout it to the world. If you're not freeping trolls, then, well, I'd say the trolls are self-hating cunts (no "f" word from me).

I wonder what's up with this guy. Will he be on the 7th Heaven reboot? He is white, so he will be forgiven.

I’ll always love him - sorry, but even when I was underage I would have never refused him

Gross.

[Quote] I wonder what's up with this guy. Will he be on the 7th Heaven reboot? He is white, so he will be forgiven.

There's no way. And is anyone asking for a reboot?? I know that there was supposed to be a spin-off back in the day, but the actor turned it down.

He will eat a gun.

R441 like this?

R437 Eh I don't think that will happen in this case. I think if he were accused of sexually abusing adult men or women he would be given a partial pass because he's an attractive wasp guy. But kids? He's done for career wise. So strange that he was famous for this wholesome family friendly image . Who would have guessed?

[Quote] he's an attractive wasp guy.

He is??

[Quote] So strange that he was famous for this wholesome family friendly image . Who would have guessed?

Certainly not Bill Cosby.

Zero legal consequences right?

WEHT? Is he still alive or did he off himself like Mark Salling from Glee?

[Quote] Is he still alive or did he off himself like Mark Salling from Glee?

Pretty sure we would've heard something if he'd killed himself.

So what is surprising me is that I was not at all surprised by this headline. I've read this on datalounge multiple times over the years that Collins was a pedo. It's been brought up in multiple gossip threads. Not one post out of 400 seems to remember this.