What's with the straight guy worship?

Are you the same 21-year-old who was complaining earlier that you can't get a date? If those were real pictures you posted, you're cute, and have proved your point.

I don't get it entirely. Part of it is a dislike for feminine or obviously gay men. They would like a boyfriend they could be seen in public with.

I have never gotten that, it could be because I only hang out in bear, leather, and Country Western bars.

Get them away from their girlfriends or their wives for a week and you'd be surprised what they can get up to.

I find many straight guys attractive, but I don't allow myself to get hung up on someone when I know the feeling isn't mutual.

I never find myself attracted to men I can't at least imagine being attracted to me. Probably a defense mechanism, But it's served me reasonably well.

[quote]I have never gotten that, it could be because I only hang out in bear, leather, and Country Western bars.

You do know those marks on the soles of their boots are from the ceiling fan?

[quote]Why fetishize a man who doesn't find you attractive?

Gay men don't find me attractive either, so I might as well lust after the hottest guys I see, since I ain't getting any of them.

It really is self-loathing; seeing straight men as "real men", and seeing your gay self (and other gay men) as inferior. If you forgive straight men everything and attack gay men for the least little thing, as is so common on this forum, you might be self-loathing!

And of course, there's the frustration of so many men being unavailable. Because, damn.

Some gay men are only interested in straight guys because they believe only straight guys have natural masculinity and they will tell you straight guys look better. That is why they are usually forever single, they are not open to loving another gay man. They have blinders to all the straight guys who don't meet their ideal so it doesn't taint their image of them.

I'm not one of them. Give me Bob Paris (from his bodybuilding days) and I'll be the luckiest person on the planet.

lot of gay guys want the guy they never have..the straight guy who will let the gay guy pressure him into giving up his ass ...hopefully we new generation dont have to go through that dumb garbage about is he closeted or not etc etc etc.

It's the challenge.

R12 No. Men's libidos are not on an infrequent timers. Men think about sex everyday. Waiting for a straight guy to have sex with that likely will never happen doesn't make sense. Many gay men can't even get the hottest gay men.

I'm 29. Sure you are honey.

Another EST.

I would tend to agree with R11. Pretty much everyone wants something they can't have, to some extent or another.

Hot straight men are trade. Other gay men are merely "sisters" and more often than not, competition for trade.

Javi, is that you?

It's kind of already been said but there's a misconception that out gay men can't be masculine.

To be masculine is to be attractive

Masculinity is THE MOST attractive thing in a man, even straight guys look for masculine guys to hang with.

No matter how good looking a gay dude is, if he's not a masculine alpha male he's just not hot or attractive

He's still unfuckable.

I'm good looking plus very masculine and most of my best bros are straight guys, I messed around with a lot of them at ine time or another. If I was a girly gay dude, they probably wouldn't hang with me even as a friend

Masculinity, confdence and dominance are the key factors of attraction in being an alpha male

Learn gay boys

FF'd and blocked homophobic R19.

Because they're "there"???

R20 how's that homophobic? I'm gay myself

Sissyphobic maybe. But there are plenty of femine pussy whipped STRAIGHT dudes that make me sick too.

Masculinity is HOT

The end

R12 hits the nail on the head. If you can get a "straight" guy to fuck you, you must be the shit. So many threads posted here about gay men and their married FBs - it's really just gloating, and feeds straight into the ego. of course, it's not just gay men who need this validation.

I can understand the temporary, superficial appeal of the alpha male, but in the long run, in a deeper context, the loving man is more appealing.

Again, people will ALWAYS go for the masculine jock type of guy that has confidence and charisma and a sense of humor and swag.

NOBODY wants the sad depressed, feminine hanging with the girls, SJW type, complaining unathletic gay gay.

The TRUTH. Just look at porn

I agree totally. I hate it. Almost every single fucking porn scene involves "converting" a straight bro or a straight guy's first time or a straight guy paid for sex or a straight student seduced for an A, etc. Do we really hate ourselves this much? Porn should not be so goddamned sad, but fuck. It is so sad.

Just look on gay dating sites. You'll see tons of masculine men who don't look feminine at all. That you would never guess, if you saw them walking down the street, are gay.

I am almost exclusively attracted to gay guys...but they are not usually attracted to me (ironically I have felt like a few straight friends may have been attracted to me because of my personality), and we almost never get along. I criticize straight women for hating other women. I am guilty of that with other gay men. I just almost never come across any whose personalities I like: they all feel so forced and artificial and inauthentic. Like they are performing. Give me a forthright flamer and I will be happy for life.

I have met very few (VERY) few purely straight guys over 30 who are athletic. The guys from Grindr who you call "masculine" strike me as narcissistic, not masculine, and when they are not posing with their shirts off their mannerisms and voices are as gay as any twink's--except IMO it's sad because they are so often convinced that they can "pass" as straight because they go to the gym and look good in selfies. Our subculture is still utterly delusional after all these years.

Straight-acting is also attractive.

I feel attracted to masculinity but not to straight/bi guys,in fact I do not watch straight or bisexual porn at all and I stream a lot of gay porn but I never even download solos done by exclusively straight guys,in chaturbate is the same for me,once they say they are straight I can no longer be aroused with them.

R31 Same here. The only time I'll watch a self-proclaimed straight man in porn is if he's strictly the bottom - doesn't get rimmed or his dick sucked. Bonus points if he rims the top but no reciprocation.

R32 Those are some remarkably arbitrary rules.

Let's face it, there's very little if any hot gay guys out there

I coach an all men's hockey team , the guys are predominately 18-24, I'm in my early 30s and a lot of those players are hot and they're all straight

It is what it is

R34 You are delusional. There are as many hot gay guys as there are straight guys. It sounds like your fixation is on barely legal young men, and I would bet money that at some point you are going to cross a very creepy line.

R35 first off even if there were hot openly gay players on my tean, I still wouldn't want to hook up with them because you should NEVER gwt involved with anyone you work with. Period. I was just observing that EVERY player is heterosexual, I was making an observation. I would LOVE for there to be an openly gay player on my team, regardless of how he looked.

Secondly because of that very reason, I don't date gay guys. I've dated and messed around with plenty of masculine bisexual or bicurious guys.

Stereotypes ate stereotypes for a reason and most of them are true

If I had a dollar for everytime someone thought I was joking or didn't believe me when I told them I was gay...

The bottom line is that there are VERY VERY little hot, fuckable gay men.

In fact in my entire life, I'm 31, I've never even MET a 100% gay guy that I thought was hot and was masculine

Thank God for bi and bicurious dudes.

If I could I would clone myself and date myself.

"I don't date gay guys." -gay guy

Get thee to a therapy session, stud.

I don't know you, masculine gay guy, but I know you are a flaming homosexual who has no idea how you present yourself to the world.

R37 I'm making an observation based Iin personal experience that they're are no hot 100% gay dudes.

Why are you uoset at my observation, through experience, and my opinion?

I would live to meet more openly masculine gay guys like myself but wherr are they?

I just got back from the Flyers game, they just won 8 in a row, and I went with some of my boys on my team, and we all had a great time. Why can't gay guys be into the same thibgs I'm into?

And it's funny that despite never meeting me you calk me flaming , once again proving my point that even among feminine gay men, they know that to down and insult another man the best that they have to call them feminine or flaming. Truth of the matter is you would never suspect I was gay unless you caught me chugging cock. I'm open to my team and friends about it and they're cool with it

I don't need therapy either because I love being a openly masculine gay dude. I love being gay, despite the negative stereotypes, and I love being a man, the far stronger and superior sex to women. I love my life, and there's about 4 different hot or bicurious guys that I can hook up with when I need too. Gay guys, I can't fuck with you. Masculinity is king.

And yet here you are, R38, posting about it on Liza Central.

Nothing is a worse dick wilter than clicking on a Facebook profile page and seeing some ageing gay dude with major gay face with a Hillary Clinton banner that says "I'm with her".

No just no

I'd rather stick my cock in a light socket

r36 How do you know that they are all straight? my husband is 200% alpha masculine and even though most people would think that he is heterosexual because of his mannerisms and voice he is really a homosexual of the highest order raised to the tenth power.In fact, before we met he only had relationships with women.

There are tons of gay guys who are hot and masculine out there. besides,what you find hot, others may not find it as hot as you do. I'm not a queen but I have my slight gay voice and some very few effeminate gestures and my husband finds me super hooooooot because I'm latino cuban, I have black hair and eyes, and hairy legs that get him super horny and he is a blond from finland and very attracted to latinos and mediterranean looking guys. He is not attracted to girly guys but a pinch of softness and sexyness,and my latin seductive fire is like honey to him and I drive him crazy because of my enchantments that he loves so much.

So attraction to masculinity can mean many things ,I consider my self masculine because I'm not into crossdressing or any shit of that sort.

R40 Go right ahead. That would be a very masculine thing to do. Then come back to Fag Central Datalounge and let us know how it feels.

R39 what's Liza Central? This place is called Datalounge. Did you mean LIVE Central bro?

I found this website because I Googled something on that pussy Sidney Crosby and Datalounge came up right away.

I have a gay voice and Gay mannerisms and bafflingly a lot of people don't seem to know I am gay. Most do. Because I am gay. Gay men who are disgusted by gay men should kill themselves.

r38 they are in the closet sweetheart,IN THE CLOSET!!!!!!

You such a pussyhound, masc gay guy! Go get it.

A lot of queens on here think straight men are gay. Harry Styles is one such example.

I guess masc gay dude stuck his dick into an electrical socket. As expected.

"Masculine gay dude" is actually Aaron "Cockgobbler" Schock. And I oughta know.

R41 has a point. I did also think that a lot of these guys on my team still haven't found themselves yet, I mean I dated girls until my earlier 20s.

The bottom line is, it's extremely rare.

There's this hot model looking 19 year old dude naned Chase, who just started as a goalie with us this year, the kid is in college with a hit girlfriend and bright future ahead of him. He's funny, cocky, confident and determined and he can out fart me when we have farting contests. He's like my little bro and I love him as a friend.

You NEVER see 19 year old gay men with that supreme alpha, "I love being a dude" self confidence. Never

They're too busy acting and hanging with the girls and listening to Lady Gaga and dressing and acting freaky and playing victim.

R49 HAHAHAHAHA I am *positive* "masculine gay dude" walks around like Aaron Schock oblivious to the scorched earth his flames leave in his wake.

Men are men. We can't help it.

Gay men are atrracted to hot guys, and sexual orientation does not determine who's hot.

The very primal attractions we humans have do not know and cannot see sexual oriention.

What the fuck kind of adult man is hunting for alpha-male NINETEEN YEAR OLDS?

Here's the deal, masc gay dude. You are not a gay dude at all. You are a pedophile in denial, and you should find help before you do damage to the teenagers on your team.

You can never have a deep meaningful discussion about this because the bitter queeny gay men attack you just for stating your truth

Again guys name young college age guya who are manly and athletic and gay?

You can't

And I don't hate other gay men, I have had gay male friends from time to time. I'm just not attracted to them

Anyone know how to report a likely child molestor to site owners?

my experience with my husband and other masculine gay and bisexual guys (I have been with a trillion of them) is that in general very masculine guys are top and look for a much softer,not effeminate gay guys. who do not pluck their eyebrow and do girly things.

R53 I'm 31 dude and he's 19 and as I stated before even if he was gay I would NEVER make a move in him because he's on my time and I don't like guys that young, don't like guys under 25. So you can take your false pedophile shit and shove it

And it's not even pedophile its actually legal, a 31 year old dating a 19 year old MAN, you dumb fag.

Alk my hook up dudes are between 27-44 and that's the age I like them

Yes yes yes, you coach 18 and 19 year olds who you NEVER touch and who are hotter than any guy and straighter than any adult your age and they are the only guys who turn you on, but you only coach them and mentor them and have farting contests and do other things that normal 31 year olds do with teams of teen boys. It all sounds very normal.

r58 hahahahahahahaha that was hilarious

R57 from your earlier post:

"I just got back from the Flyers game, they just won 8 in a row, and I went with some of my boys on my team, and we all had a great time. Why can't gay guys be into the same thibgs I'm into?"

R58 so you're basically saying a 31 year old gay guy who LOVES hockey and who used to play on the team and now coaches can't coach because he's gay?

You sound like a gay hating homophobe , that's one of the worst stereotypes aimed at gay men. Yiu also realize that ALL the coaches on my tean and our competitors either played at one time and are around my age if not older than me? It's the norm in sports that the coaches are older.

You're a disgusting fag for even thinking that, you sound like a Muslim sympathizing beta fag too. I hope you end up in a Muslim country. .. The rest will take care of itself

R61 Mike Pence, we are onto you.

R58 = dumb straight frau.

She'd be playing the slot machines tonight if she had twenty dollars but she's always broke so she's stuck at home trolling gay guys on the Datalounge.

[quote]You NEVER see 19 year old gay men with that supreme alpha, "I love being a dude" self confidence. Never

And what's your definition of supreme alpha, "i love being a dude" self confidence? Farting contests? If so, one group of ultra-queeny gay men that I know who love to dress upin drag continuously have farting contests with each other while dressed as Patsy Stone. And they love to slap each others asses and walk around with their dicks out after taking off their make up, wigs, and fish net stockings - I imagine that's what happens in straight locker rooms.

R64 He is using "supreme alpha" to say "adolescent teenaged boys turn me on." The farting contest thing is a dead giveaway. If this guy is a 31 year old coach of 19 year old athletes today, he will soon be a 45 year old threatening to murder some terrified 15 year-old's parents if he tells. Creepy as fuck.

R63 FTW

Anyway I've been hooking up with a HOT 44 year old recently divorced dude at my gym since September. We bonded over his Trump 2016 shirt.

Everytime we ran into each other we'd do tge fist pound and yell at TRUMP to greet each other. I started spotting him and then we started hanging and drinking at a nearby bar, one thing led to another and I told him that I was gay, he started sending signals and we've been fooling around ever since, although he told me that when he meets a woman he's into, we can still be buddies but no more messing around.

I'm fine with that

Bros before hoes

R65 you are one dumb cunt. When guys get together in groups and bond regardless of age they love to fart and burp in front of each other. Men love to fart, it's your sick ass that's making it into a gay thing when farting is funny there's nothing sexual about it.

Shit I've had farting contests with GIRLS in the past

Masculine gay dude has infiltrated this thread with his own EST mini-thread.

P.S. If you're an ultra-masculine gay dude who has to pick up jaws off the floor when you disclose your fagginess, what makes you think your ultra-masculine team mates are not exactly like you (i.e. an ultra-masculine, sports-loving, farting-contest-having gay man)?

P.S.S. If masculine gay dude coached a team of gay hockey players, this is what the locker room would look like

[quote]When guys get together in groups and bond regardless of age they love to fart and burp in front of each other.

That's not a gay or straight thing, but a guy thing. To my chagrin, my gay friends fart and burp in my face all the time.

Ok, MGD, you jumped the shark at R66. Bonding over Trump shirts? Fist pumping? LOL. Oh my sides.

There was a theory posted here before that it has to do with those straight hot jock types being put on a pedestal when you were growing up - and if they never accepted you into their ranks, you'll always have a weak spot for that potential "acceptance" (aka them letting you suck their dicks). It's a bit psychoanalytical but might hold some weight among some guys. I thought it was interesting. I certainly wasn't in that group growing up and still found that type hot for all of my 20s. It started to wear off in my 30s though I still watch straight porn sometimes if the guys are hot. There are plenty of unattractive straight guys too!

What is the difference between bisexual and bicurious?

[quote]that supreme alpha, "I love being a dude" self confidence.

That's pretend masculinity. A real man feels no need to display or prove his masculinity.

r72 in my experience the difference is that first they consider themselves straight,then open minded,then experimental , then curious,then bi and finally ,bisexuals when they fully admit and accept the fact that they can't live without sucking cocks.

The early objects of beauty and what you desire when you are young leaves an indelible psychological imprint. It isn't necessarily acted upon but it is certainly remembered. It's no different for straight people, I don't know why some bigoted assholes pretend otherwise.

The first objects of my desire were young, masculine, carefree, cocky jocks. Today the guy could be 50, if he has that jock confidence, I will still find him attractive. I'm not going to move on an 18-year-old jock, nor am I going to pretend that he's unattractive. As adults we can discuss that here on the Datalounge without some freaky middle-aged frau butting in and threatening to call the cops on us.

I'm not the Fuckface von Clownstick supporter, that's deplorable. I'm just not into the granny-nanny thing here. It's nasty, sub-adult and it doesn't belong on the Datalounge.

I'm curious if MGD thinks guys that have a natural, sports-loving, good humored and uncomplicated manliness but who have average looking faces and bodies are still "masculine".

Or does "masculinity" only apply to the guys he personally finds attractive.

So much of his definition seems to revolve around notions of "alpha models", "hotness" ,"cockiness" and "fuckability"

MGD is a strangely incomplete person, R76. I'm not convinced that he exists outside of some troll's imagination.

We don't say 'THE' Datalounge, R75. It's just Datalounge or DL.

Because big dicked top guys are in the most demand OP. They're (we're) more likely to be perceived as being on the masculine end of the spectrum -- gay broadband.

Now STFU sissy boy and bend over. You ask too many dumb questions.

Why are bottoms always so obsessed with masculinity?

Somebody like Johnny Manziel, minus the drug use, of Johnny Knoxville from Jackass, about 15 years ago, are the kind of guys that I go for

NATURAL masculinity and they're hot and funny too and aren't afraid to look like a fool.

They just don't make gay men like that, they basically don't exist. You guys can't tell me they do.

A dude who claims to be masculine but spends hours at the gym, I work out too and think everyone should but I do it when I can and it's to get bigger and stronger, but obsesses over shit like the sixe of his calf muscles and spends 1 hour every day gelling up his hair and who has a "dress style", men shouldn't have a dress style at all, and who posts countless selfies of himself isn't masculine at all, it's all feminine girly behavior.

I got my hoodies, my loose fitting jeans and sports teams baseball hats and I'm good to go.

r81 So according to your opinion you seem to be the only masculine "gay" man in the world,the rest are bisexuals and bi-curious

iI'm a masculine guy only into other masculine guys. But I am actually masculine, unlike "Masculine gay dude". I don't identify as gay, or any label, since that's just bullshit. Second, I supported Bernie then later Jill Stein, because a truly alpha guy doesn't need to conform to social expectations like a little bitch. He does whatever the fuck he wants and doesn't give two shits what other people think. I am 30 but my fuckbuds are all 18-20.

R83 yeah because you know me personally buddy?

And you can't say you're masculine and then support Bernie or Jill. NO liberal men are masculine

You said that last sentence with a lisp, didn't ya.

r31 and r32 are reverse bigots. You're chauvinistic.

You're not going to marry a porn star and a hot guy is a hot guy, so you should be supporting them.

People have such bigotry and hangups over sex.

Let's face it, r34.

Gay men stay fit and develop hotter bodies much more than the average straight guy.

It is what it is. And straight guys are mostly fat and lazy.

"Masculine gay dude's" contempt for gay men is psychologically generated bigotry.

He's self-loathing. He accepts society's bigoted belief that only straight men can be masculine and real.

It's not true. There are TONS of masculine, hot gay dudes. But "Masculine gay dude" won't reject the social lie -- he has to reinforce and project it.

Talk about a bitch! You can't be "manly" if you're that much of a bitch conformist. That you accept heterosexuals' self-serving lies shows how pathetically submissive and UN manly you are.

"WHY CAN'T GAY MEN JUST FART AT MY LEVEL?!"

"IS 12 CANS OF BEANS A DAY TOO MUCH TOO ASK? SERIOUSLY, WHAT'S WRONG WITH EVERYONE THAT I CAN'T GET SMOTHERED IN FARTS?!?!"

[quote]Again guys name young college age guya who are manly and athletic and gay?

Cristiano Ronaldo.

Gus Kenworthy behaves and looks manlier and more athletic that 99.99999999% of straight guys, which cancels out his Gayvoice.

"Masculine Gay Dude" may be a troll, r77.

But let's not forget that gay porn star Erik Rhodes was a real gay man who thought exactly like him.

He was brainwashed with all that macho guido Italian bullshit and he could never forgive himself for being gay.

He's dead now.

[quote]NO liberal men are masculine.

Yeah, the Kennedys were such sissies.

Did you guys know that Che Guevara did burlesque shows in cabarets?

Str8 guys are just better than us, lets face it. They're cool, confident, smart and just know how to handle shit.

Us gays are all nervous, hysterical, and we fly off the handle of nothing.

If you're wondering if this is a joke, it isn't. I can't stand gays, even though I am one myself.

The straight guy worship is outrageous here. Also, the desperate need to validate their sexuality based on the possibility of a masculine celebrity being gay. It's all a quest for validation. What's wrong with focusing on the millions of 'out' gay men?

Personally, I don't relate to the large segment of gay men who are into musicals and the Golden Age of Hollywood. I like sports, but that doesn't mean that I'm delusional enough to see homosexuality in every bro with a jersey on nor do I want to.

R93 is right for the most part

I'm not saying that the kind of gay guy like me doesn't exist, I'm saying it's incredibly rare and in my personal life I've had yet ro even meet one

However I do know a lot of bi or bicurious guys that fit that description.

R88 I'm not saying they don't exist, I'm saying I have yet to MEET one that fits MY description of masculinity .

Everybody 's version of masculinity is different. But a gay dude who may life 300lb and may not look or act gay outwardly but surrounds himself with practically all women friends and who relates to and compares himself to women and who has a fashion sense and takes millions of selfies of himself in the mirror and who has a stereotypical gay profession, just isn't masculine TO ME.

Not one bit.

Lesbians are the same way, although it isn't femininity they're after, it's more about "turning" that person into a lesbian. Although obviously that doesn't actually happen.

[quote] Johnny Knoxville from Jackass, about 15 years ago, are the kind of guys that I go for NATURAL masculinity and they're hot and funny too and aren't afraid to look like a fool.They just don't make gay men like that, they basically don't exist.

If taking dumps in one of the toilets in a Lowe's toilet display that other people have to see and smell is what constitutes being a manly man then you must have a pretty childish view of "masculinity".

R93 isn't a straight, homophobic troll.

And I'm a lifelong Trump supporter. I just think that sometimes, Trump and all his voters should swallow whale harpoons and violently disembowel themselves while singing "You Don't Bring Me Flowers Anymore."

[quote]even though most people would think that he is heterosexual because of his mannerisms and voice he is really a homosexual of the highest order raised to the tenth power. In fact, before we met he only had relationships with women

Some logic you got there!

There's a lot more variety with straight guts since most men are straight, so while a lot of straight guys are unfuckable based on various reasons, there's always some that are just HOT

Gay guys not so much

And the gay community has a warped view on what's masculine. They think Neil Patrick Harris, that Broadway musical lover, is a masculine gay.

In fact I can't even name ONE out masculine gay male celebrity, that fits my definition of masculinity.

Hmmmm

No one wants the nellies, get used to it.

Dunno how old you are, so-called "Alpha Dude" and / or "Masculine Gay Dude," but if you've never done so, turn on TV Land or ME-TV sometime, and take in an ancient rerun of "Bewitched."

Because you sound like the living embodiment of Gladys Kravitz.

R104, how old are you, man?

People like different things

R20 nasty faggot.