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HBO In Talks with Lisa Kudrow to Bring 'The Comeback' Back for Season Two

Could life imitate art yet again, or -- more specifically -- could a title come true? Deadline Hollywood reports HBO is in talks with Lisa Kudrow and director Michael Patrick King to bring "The Comeback" back, the duo's comedy from 2005 that's become a cult classic. Though it only lasted one, 13-episode season, "The Comeback" earned respect from most critics and has developed quite the following since it went off the air.

Recent successful resurrections have given new life to many TV shows with rumors constantly swirling of comebacks, "Arrested Develpment" being the most notable example. This makes the news of the Kudrow comedy's possible return even more apt. "The Comeback" was very much ahead of its time, being a single camera reality show spoof. Relevancy shouldn't be an issue, even almost a decade after its original airing. Valerie Cherish still has plenty to teach us.

On March 19, Kudrow retweeted a Slate story suggesting "The Comeback" deserves another season. It even went so far as to suggest HBO should make it available on the company's streaming service, HBOgo.

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by Anonymousreply 271January 28, 2019 1:29 AM

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by Anonymousreply 1March 21, 2014 9:08 PM

Cool, I'd watch it.

by Anonymousreply 2March 21, 2014 9:10 PM

I'm glad they're bringing it back.

The show was brilliant, but there were just too many "inside television" series on cable at the time (Entourage premiered the same season), and outside of Hollywood people get very sick of too many TV shows about the entertainment industry.

by Anonymousreply 3March 21, 2014 9:11 PM

I DO need to see THAT!

by Anonymousreply 4March 21, 2014 9:12 PM

I loved the series but thought by the end it had played itself out and came to an appropriate conclusion.

But restarting fresh a few years later is a brilliant idea because there are already so many new inanities in the current world of Show Biz for Valerie to react to and be humiliated by.

It will be interesting to see if they can revisit the Malin Ackerman and Kellan Lutz characters to see where they are now. Also those writer/producers of Valerie's sitcom (I was nuts for the hot one!).

by Anonymousreply 5March 21, 2014 9:21 PM

I've been spending the afternoon watching "The Comeback" on HBOGo. Would love to see that Valerie is now a mother, not because she wanted to be, but because so many older actresses do the surrogate or adoption thing for the fabulous accessories.

by Anonymousreply 6March 21, 2014 9:24 PM

This is one of my favorite series of all time. The season filmed was a nice, complete story arc. It will be really interesting to see where they pick up with Valerie Cherish if this reboot gets made.

The original was dark and funny and had very uncomfortable/awkward moments. Lisa Kudrow blew me away in the episode that revealed her character had worn a brace all through high school. Heart breaking and hilarious. LOVED IT!

by Anonymousreply 7March 21, 2014 9:24 PM

I think there's plenty of good material that's arisen in the past nine years to provide fodder for the show's, er, comeback. Social media was still in its infancy back in '05, for starters, and the concept of online-only TV shows (a la "House of Cards") didn't even exist. If Kudrow's *really* ballsy, she could have an episode featuring her getting sued by her former manager over residuals owed from her famous-sitcom years.

We also have a whole new crop of hot messes she could satirize: LiLo (who was still young and innocent nine years ago), Miley, Biebs, etc.

by Anonymousreply 8March 21, 2014 9:39 PM

I'm psyched! This series was excellent in every way and I'm eager to revisit Ms. Cherish, Mickey and all the other amazing characters again.

by Anonymousreply 9March 21, 2014 9:41 PM

It was GOOD but most people can't tolerate a show that only as an "A" storyline (versus an A, B and sometimes C storyline). I'm not a writer, but you know what I mean, right? This was ALL A storyline - Valerie Cherish all the time. If they switched to Micky or one of the producers, it would probably do a lot better.

Who was the fat producer who she punched while dressed as a doughnut? I think shows that have an A and B storyline do best - only one storyline gets cancelled (Strangers with Candy, the Comeback) and those with 7-10 storylines (Arrested Development) are stuck in the annoying and nonlucrative "Cult" status.

by Anonymousreply 10March 21, 2014 9:42 PM

I wish they'd make a fake imdb page for Valerie, charting her descent into bad Lifetime movies, before her comeback, and then what's happened the last decade.

That 4 season sitcom she originally made her name on, reminded me of Jamie Lee Curtis' Anything But Love, in the few clips they showed. "Room and Bored" was even worse, Three's Company level garbage.

by Anonymousreply 11March 21, 2014 9:50 PM

even if HBO does not do it put it on netflix or hulu or amazon prime.

by Anonymousreply 12March 21, 2014 9:54 PM

This needs to happen. There are so many places Valerie could be now. I'd love to see her trying for a Netflix Original series ("it's where the QUALITY is now") but having to settle for the token white person role on a Tyler Perry-style cheap-ass sitcom.

it would be funny if her slutty teen stepdaughter is now a 23-year-old actress getting a lot of good roles.

And, of course: MICKEY.

by Anonymousreply 13March 21, 2014 10:27 PM

I didn't get it. I thought it was boring and liked only the final episode.

by Anonymousreply 14March 21, 2014 10:37 PM

I'm not interested in any of the Friends. I didn't watch this the first time around. Can't they give something new a shot? We pay enough for HBO. And while their at it, forget giving any of the HIMYM crew an HBO show. Let them go to Showtime and Les Moonves with their hats in their hands.The only one with any real talent on that show is Cobie Smulders. NPH plays himself. The joke is on the fraus.

by Anonymousreply 15March 21, 2014 10:46 PM

I'm It, I'm Shit!

by Anonymousreply 16March 22, 2014 1:11 AM

You want to throw the fucks around? I'll throw the fucks around!

by Anonymousreply 17March 22, 2014 1:14 AM

Valerie Cherish does Dancing With The Stars!

by Anonymousreply 18March 22, 2014 1:19 AM

Val already did DWTS in a (not very funny) DVD extra.

Some Comeback questions on my mind:

Is someone from Room & Bored A-List famous now?

Is Pauly G down on his luck?

Is Val scamming to join The Real Housewives of Brentwood?

Is she dying to be friends with Andy Cohen?

Is the pressure on to become a lifestyle spokeswoman for an unmistakably middle aged product, like Boniva or Activa?

I'd like to see more of Val not on the bottom, but in the middle. LIke, having some real success, and just struggling to keep up with the Joneses and reach for more more more.

by Anonymousreply 19March 22, 2014 1:24 AM

R14 nails it

by Anonymousreply 20March 22, 2014 1:37 AM

This scene alone should have gotten Lisa Kudrow the Emmy:

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by Anonymousreply 21March 22, 2014 2:23 AM

I'd rather they bring back Rome

by Anonymousreply 22March 22, 2014 2:34 AM

R10, what you are saying is that most people like things dumbed down. People like R14 and R20.

by Anonymousreply 23March 22, 2014 3:30 AM

There was all ready a thread OP.

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by Anonymousreply 24March 22, 2014 3:36 AM

Yes, R24, but this one has more momentum.

There are so many places Valerie could go to. A lot of good ones mentioned here in this thread.

I guess there is no reason to believe Valerie has grown at all considering she didn't grow much between the 80s and the Aughts. I would like to see her struggle intensified now that she is considerably older for Hollywood standards. "I'll have the Angie Dickinson."

by Anonymousreply 25March 22, 2014 4:01 AM

Val needs to interact with a drag queen who does Val.

Not just Val, but different generations of Val.

I'm It! Val.

Aunt Sassy Val.

Comeback Val.

by Anonymousreply 26March 22, 2014 4:41 AM

Val should be a judge on RuPaul's Drag Race!

by Anonymousreply 27March 22, 2014 4:44 AM

"You see a box of puppies, I see Korean barbecue."

Damn, I loved that episode.

by Anonymousreply 28March 22, 2014 4:49 AM

Truly one of the best television series ever What a great cast and superior writing and acting They SHOULD bring this back with as many of the original cast as possible Another GREAT show about Hollywood was cutie Jay Mohr's ACTION although THE COMEBACK is better Great humor and lots of in jokes This is one of those shows where you have to be somewhat intelligent to get it!

by Anonymousreply 29March 22, 2014 5:05 AM

R28

Every time I walk past a sign that says Korean Barbecue that quote runs through my head.

by Anonymousreply 30March 22, 2014 5:11 AM

Please let this happen! One of the best TV shows ever.

by Anonymousreply 31March 22, 2014 1:32 PM

the first season is near-perfect. kinda would hate to see them nosedive -- can you imagine seeing kellan lutz try to revive his role now?

by Anonymousreply 32March 22, 2014 1:41 PM

How did she not win the Emmy for this?

by Anonymousreply 33March 22, 2014 2:12 PM

HBO would be stupid to not do this--most of the comedies they've put on in the last year or so have garnered almost no buzz. The Comeback has become such a fave for many on DVD, they'd have a built in audience. Valerie Cherish is really one of the great TV characters, and Kudrow and King should be commended for creating her.

by Anonymousreply 34March 22, 2014 2:26 PM

If Looking is getting a second season, The Comeback sure as hell should! It's significantly better in every way.

by Anonymousreply 35March 22, 2014 2:32 PM

The Comeback was one of the most wonderfully painful shows I have ever watched. It's not satire. It's truth. Anyone who works in any creative industry can identify with this show. The harder Valerie tried to be nice the more they crapped on her and treated her like dirt. She built a life on "going along, to get along" and it is terrifying to see the consequences.

by Anonymousreply 36March 22, 2014 2:33 PM

The series should have never been canceled.

I didn't like the first episode and then I fell in love with the series. Originally I wasn't sympathetic to Valerie but as the series went on Kudrow made me feel bad for her.

I went from thinking of it as a comedy to, "Oh just let Valerie have just this one thing!" I rooted for her.

by Anonymousreply 37March 22, 2014 2:38 PM

Perhaps ABC can revive [italic]Laverne & Shirley[/italic].

by Anonymousreply 38March 22, 2014 2:39 PM

Was this Kellan's first professional job?

It could be hilarious to bring him back as the same character, who is now a major movie heart throb who is a closeted gay that Valerie (unbeknownst to her) beards for.

by Anonymousreply 39March 22, 2014 4:10 PM

This is the email to contact HBO. If you want this to actually happen, contact them and let them know.

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by Anonymousreply 40March 24, 2014 1:05 AM

I just watched the first three episodes again after many years... it was even better than I remembered. Subtle, painful, laugh out loud funny in spots.

What made it incisively good was the fact that Valerie Cherish, under all the insecurity and playing for the cameras, was really a kind person who did want everyone to succeed along with her. There was no backstabbing; she was genuinely happy to be part of an ensemble. And the writers made Juna more than the blonde bimbo of the day -- she looked up to Valerie and considered her a mentor and a real friend.

All that made Valerie's humiliation worse and made the comedy sharper. In later episodes, when she was on the verge of being fired, having the cast stick up for her just made everything sadder and more funny at the same time. And when she finally does drop the facade and decide to stand up for herself, it goes way beyond comedy.

Maybe it ended at the perfect time, but I'd be willing to see to where Lisa Kudrow and the writers would take it 10 years later.

by Anonymousreply 41March 25, 2014 5:27 AM

That show was awful.

by Anonymousreply 42March 25, 2014 5:36 AM

"And the writers made Juna more than the blonde bimbo of the day -- she looked up to Valerie and considered her a mentor and a real friend."

Completely agree about how effective this was. Either Juna as vacant bimbo or Juna as entitled bitch diva could have felt cliched, but the way they went with the character and her relationship with Valerie ended up being both fresher and increasing the poignancy.

by Anonymousreply 43March 25, 2014 6:15 AM

R42 = idiot.

by Anonymousreply 44March 25, 2014 4:47 PM

This show is kinda perfect as it is. I'm not sure I'd like to see any more of it, even though I did love the series.

That said, I enjoyed seeing Valerie do DWTS on the DVD extras. Perhaps a special like that?

The show got so many things just perfect -- the asshole Harvard comedy writers, the uncomfortable amorality of the line producer Jane, the dogged sweet devotion of the below the line people like Mickey. I found it totally believable that Valerie would have married someone like Mark.

The only false note was having Jim Burrows play himself as the director. No way would Jim Burrows direct a piece of crap like 'Room and Bored.'

by Anonymousreply 45March 25, 2014 6:04 PM

r14 and r42 have baby tastes.

by Anonymousreply 46March 25, 2014 6:27 PM

Loved the show. Hope they bring it back.

The fat writer was such an asshole.

by Anonymousreply 47March 25, 2014 6:46 PM

[quote]The only false note was having Jim Burrows play himself as the director. No way would Jim Burrows direct a piece of crap like 'Room and Bored.'

Oh please. He's directed TONS of shitty shows. Men Behaving Badly, Caroline in the City, Back to You, Gary Unmarried, Mike and Molly, the Millers ... to name a few.

by Anonymousreply 48March 25, 2014 6:50 PM

Episodes was sort of a successor to The Comeback. It was lighter and less depressing than The Comeback. I hope the new version is less of a continuous whiny downer. I'm a fan BTW.

by Anonymousreply 49March 25, 2014 7:12 PM

I always envisioned Valerie's husband running off with the girl who was directing Valerie's documentary.

by Anonymousreply 50March 25, 2014 10:35 PM

I do hope it comes back, although it will be hard to beat that first season. And it really does end well as it stands.

by Anonymousreply 51March 26, 2014 12:44 AM

I think one of the great things about the Juna character is that her character was ambiguous. You could interpret her to be a passive aggressive cunt bitch enjoying Valerie's humiliation. Kind of the opposite of who Jane turned out to be

by Anonymousreply 52March 26, 2014 1:07 AM

Will I have a role?

by Anonymousreply 53March 26, 2014 1:11 AM

Michael Patrick King told EW that he and Lisa Kudrow had specific ideas for where Valerie would be today, and that they involved her getting everything she'd ever wanted.

I imagine she'd be gluten-free and obsessed with her number of Twitter followers, but I hope she wouldn't turn into an update of Edina Monsoon.

by Anonymousreply 54March 26, 2014 2:22 AM

R52 I know a lot of people interpreted Juna as maybe being duplicitous, but I think the intention was for to be rather straight forward. And I think that interpretation tracks. Juna was someone Valerie was worried about, but really, unless you're doing a deep deep read of her actions, she always meant the best. It's doubtful she was working to sabotage Val the times where her actions provided conflict for her, and when she really had the power (like the People's Choice Awards) she shouted Val's name loud and proud (and took her to Kiefer's party when she perfectly could have ditched her if she didn't like her). Plus, at Val's premiere party, she was genuinely moved to tears by Val's humiliation. I think Juna was a genuine good guy.

Jane was complicated, and we saw the drama of her journey, and the victory of the second season pickup with Val in the dressing room at Leno. I think we saw everything there.

Truthfully I think everyone on The Comeback is a "good guy" and it is a sophisticated comedy in that sense. Even Pauly G is a good guy in his way. As pointed out in the commentary, he is delightfully nice to EVERYONE except Val, and he has reason to resent her (proud accomplished comedy writer forced to cast has-been and then rewrite entire show around her due to reality show tie-in). He's imperfect, but then again, what would The Comeback be like if told from his perspective? How terrible would Val seem without those private moments we get because she is the heroine? What private moments of Pauly G's do we miss out on due to his lack of a camera crew? He is probably a great guy. Everyone on The Comeback is. Val very well could be the most "terrible" character on it. And yet...

by Anonymousreply 55March 26, 2014 5:19 AM

R54 I hope that's the case. Season 2 should definitely be about Val swimming with the sharks to maintain her status, trying to climb higher rather than get back in the game itself.

by Anonymousreply 56March 26, 2014 5:19 AM

I'm with r55 about Juna - I don't really see the ambiguity that r52 describes.

by Anonymousreply 57March 26, 2014 7:42 AM

R55, that was a very thoughtful post.

Do you realize this is Datalounge?

by Anonymousreply 58March 26, 2014 7:44 AM

I don't necessarily buy that interpretation r55 but there are indications she is not all sweetness and light. The big one is calling Valerie in Palm Springs pretending she didn't know Valerie wasn't invited to Paulie's party. There are other examples, eg, standing Valerie up, showing off her body and her sec appeal to the boys etc. I think the show quite openly depicted a subtly competitive relationship between val and Juna. And they were both using each other in pursuit of their respective ambitions.

by Anonymousreply 59March 26, 2014 2:24 PM

[quote]Even Pauly G is a good guy in his way. As pointed out in the commentary, he is delightfully nice to EVERYONE except Val, and he has reason to resent her (proud accomplished comedy writer forced to cast has-been and then rewrite entire show around her due to reality show tie-in).

I don't think there was anything redeeming in Paulie G. He clearly had contempt for the show he produced and was in it only for the paycheck, and his only real interaction with the actors was with the two hot young girls. His entire relationship with Valerie was less passive-aggressive than it was aggressive-passive -- he'd let her go way out on an emotional plank in her sad desire to be liked, and then yank it out from under her.

One really interesting moment was when Valerie brought in her 1980s cheesecake poster "so everyone could laugh," when it was clear she felt the need to show she was, at least once, as desirable as Juna. Tom openly ogled it, but the look on Paulie G's face was a real mixture of fascination and revulsion -- he couldn't believe he was actually attracted to this middle-aged woman he loathed. True misogynist.

by Anonymousreply 60March 26, 2014 3:46 PM

[quote]I don't think there was anything redeeming in Paulie G.

The show wasn't about Pauly and had no interest in making him look good at all. You are literally getting the worst edit of him possible. That in mind...

[quote]He clearly had contempt for the show he produced

His show started out as one thing, and was twisted around by the network to fit around a star he didn't even want in the show, Val. How would that make you feel?

[quote]and was in it only for the paycheck,

Granted, it's via the commentaries, but MPK makes clear that Tom & Pauly knew their show wasn't Shakespeare but thought it was kind of an ironic riff on bad sitcoms of yore. But also, TV isn't art and the TV development process can really wring you. Who knows what the show started out as? Remember that the script Val was cast in was about people in their 30s. The *network* made them change it to 20s on the fly. Early 20s! Tom and Pauly rolled with it. Tom is clearly the "people person" in the partnership, but Pauly must bring something to the table. They must work together well. (I have seen writing partnerships like this. One does the writing, the other presses the flesh.)

[quote]and his only real interaction with the actors was with the two hot young girls.

Pauly had a party for the entire cast at his house. He went to the People's Choice Awards. He was not lecherous towards the female cast members and in fact you don't even see him hitting on them. (He could very well be gay, with what we see on camera. He is clearly impressed by Val's old pinup poster but that doesn't mean he was turned on by it.) I think this attack doesn't stick. (I'll also remind you of the glimpse we get in the writers room when Val goes to deliver the cookies: it looks like a fun place and he's the center of it. The writers like him.)

[quote]His entire relationship with Valerie was less passive-aggressive than it was aggressive-passive -- he'd let her go way out on an emotional plank in her sad desire to be liked, and then yank it out from under her.

He was definitely passive-aggressive with Val, but I don't think he went out of his way to torture her. He resented Val, for reasons thus far explored, but did not at all toy with her, carrot and stick. Really he was all stick, and then was only decent to her when forced. And -- when interviewed on camera about her -- he was classy and complimentary. It was a smart thing to do, but I think he also believes it -- Val is not a bad actress. She always delivers. He resents her presence in his life, but never indicates that he thinks she's untalented. Because she isn't and he's smart.

We hate Pauly because we love Val. And Val does the worst thing to Pauly that any of us can do: makes her happiness contingent on his approval. She needed his approval emotionally. But she did not need it professionally. She could have shrugged him off and done her job just the same. But it wound her up, being hated. And so he wound us up. But if you really read between the lines of his performance and portrayal, he's not a bad guy.

And R59: I totally know what you are getting at with the Palm Springs example and the others. I think Malin is just not a very nuanced actress. Juna played a role in yanking the rug out from under her more than once, but I read it as story-oriented. Juna had other times to discard Val, or pile on the humiliation, and didn't. She makes Val the center of her world during the autograph signing, for one, when she could have been annoyed or diva-like. She's great with Francesca's friend Calla. She takes the yoga class with Val just to do it! Etc.

I am so excited! The Comeback will be right back -- literally!

by Anonymousreply 61March 26, 2014 5:52 PM

'(He could very well be gay, with what we see on camera. He is clearly impressed by Val's old pinup poster but that doesn't mean he was turned on by it.)'

Was it the first or second episode where Val walked in on Paulie G getting serviced by a female, R61?

by Anonymousreply 62March 26, 2014 6:35 PM

R61, I kind of agree with you but there were many times he'd mumble nasty things about Val under her breath. And the blow up doll? Though that wasn't necessariky intended to hurt Valerie.

He was a complete ass with the cupcake scene though. It was obvious Valerie was attempting to please him and he withheld out of spite.

by Anonymousreply 63March 26, 2014 6:39 PM

I always wanted to fuck the other headwriter (Tom, was it?) He just looked like the kind of "straight" family guy that would sit back and accept a blowjob from a guy (with his baseball cap still on). He was hot.

by Anonymousreply 64March 26, 2014 6:54 PM

Calla opened a bottle of Red

by Anonymousreply 65March 26, 2014 7:33 PM

I read an interview with Kudrow last year and she said that they want to see Valerie on a Bravo show.

by Anonymousreply 66March 26, 2014 7:40 PM

So was Jane a lez?

by Anonymousreply 67March 27, 2014 8:53 PM

I thought Jane had a guy at her house when Val showed up.

by Anonymousreply 68March 27, 2014 9:14 PM

r61 is as insufferable as Paulie himself.

by Anonymousreply 69March 27, 2014 9:20 PM

R68 doesn't Val say something like "who is that? Is that a girli in there!?" I love that confrontation so much. Can we also talk about great guy Marky Mark was. One of the best things about the show was how much he loved her despite her faults. Valerie is a lucky girl

by Anonymousreply 70March 27, 2014 9:28 PM

This thread made me want to watch "The Comeback" again. Easy to do in two nights.

Lisa Kudrow is one of the great comic actresses of all time. Hilarious and painful to watch. Uncomfortable. I love this show.

I don't really want it to come back.

by Anonymousreply 71March 29, 2014 4:50 AM

R71 You just have to trust in the talent of the creators and know they can take you places you never even imagined.

by Anonymousreply 72March 30, 2014 5:27 AM

[quote][R71] You just have to trust in the talent of the creators and know they can take you places you never even imagined.

Where can I send my check in support?

by Anonymousreply 73March 30, 2014 8:08 AM

Valerie Cherish Survives!

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by Anonymousreply 74March 30, 2014 9:34 PM

"Get raped all day and have no place nice to have dinner!"

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by Anonymousreply 75March 30, 2014 11:33 PM

Your prayers have been answered bitches. HBO orders 6episodes of the Comeback!

by Anonymousreply 76April 28, 2014 8:32 PM

Great news, I loved this show!

by Anonymousreply 77April 28, 2014 10:53 PM

It's true! "The Comback" is making a comeback!

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by Anonymousreply 78May 6, 2014 2:01 AM

I'm interested in people's opinions on Valerie offering to Gigi to use her extra ticket and go as her date to the People's Choice Awards. Why do you think she does this?

1) Is it just that she's so uncomfortable seeing real, genuine emotion that she blurts out anything that comes to her just to ease the tension and end the awkward difficulty of watching Gigi melt down?

2) Is it a calculated move for the cameras so that she will look like a kind, caring, generous, empathetic person on "The Comeback"?

3) Or is it actually that (particularly with some of the subtle growth that we can see Valerie experiencing during the series) Valerie (or at least a part of her) really IS a kind, caring, generous, empathetic person, capable when she sees another human being in deep distress of prioritizing that other person's needs over her own?

by Anonymousreply 79May 14, 2014 4:52 AM

r79 - I thought it was empathy for the fact that she saw herself in Gigi... a woman, insecure with her looks, being picked on by Pauly G and the (male) writing staff. But options 1 and 2 also make sense.

by Anonymousreply 80May 14, 2014 5:03 AM

R79 it is obviously #2

She did it because the cameras were rolling and she wanted a display of how magnanimous she can be. What she didn't count on was the cameras picking up how disgusted she actually was by Gigi, i.e. eating mac n cheese before major event and seeing her dress rip in the limo.

by Anonymousreply 81May 15, 2014 4:11 AM

Per Dan Buckatinsky's twitter feed, filming started yesterday. He even posted a production photo of Val and Mickey.

by Anonymousreply 82May 18, 2014 1:59 PM

The Paulie G actor is in the new, gay-themed MTV sitcom "Faking It" playing the hippie parent of a one of the main characters. He's not a douchebag in it, but it is a very minor character. I like the show so far.

by Anonymousreply 83May 18, 2014 2:12 PM

damn!! Even Jane is returning!!!!

by Anonymousreply 84May 18, 2014 2:12 PM

"I already have, like, 800 followers."

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by Anonymousreply 85May 21, 2014 5:08 PM

SEASON 2 PLOT SYNOPSIS:

Valerie Cherish, professional reality TV star, gets another shot at sitcom stardom when the long cancelled Room and Bored finds new life on an online network.

Valerie must overcome her own controversial reality star persona, her stepdaughter's own reality TV crew, and old enemies as she makes her sitcom comeback.

by Anonymousreply 86May 21, 2014 5:53 PM

Bump

by Anonymousreply 87May 21, 2014 7:26 PM

Was just watching the one with one of my favorite scenes - when Valerie has to convince Shane, who decides to stop participating in "The Comeback" because it doesn't reflect her Christian values, to re-allow herself to be used in the show. I love the fact that Valerie - who one can often think of as being pretty clueless about relating to other people and about the effect she's having on other people - is shown in sort of a "clutch" moment actually coming through, and figuring out exactly how to handle someone to get what she wants. (Of course, it helps that the person she's handling is as narcissistic and self-serving as Valerie is!)

But then it's almost immediately followed up by Tom approaching Valerie after the filming to apologize about the incident in the writers' room (when she walked in on them impersonating her getting fucked by Paulie G)... and it's sort of ambiguous whether Valerie is just being her sincere self in her comments to him (e.g. "I'm not one of those actors who goes running off to call a lawyer") or whether she's manipulating him, too. Either way, she gets what she wants - an Aunt Sassy-centered script!

by Anonymousreply 88June 2, 2014 6:31 AM

C A N ' T W A I T!!!

Love her husband and her personal assistant!

NOW this is an actress who deserved an EMMY for this show!

by Anonymousreply 89June 3, 2014 10:38 PM

[all posts by tedious, racist idiot removed.]

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by Anonymousreply 90June 3, 2014 10:42 PM

I also loved the guy who played her lawyer hubby and a year after The Comeback, he was on As The World Turns playing this gay reformer camp counselor to Van Hansis's Luke Snyder.

by Anonymousreply 91June 3, 2014 10:59 PM

Dan Bucatinsky just tweeted a photo with a message for Laura Silverman. It's a picture of one small cake that reads, "Jane...." next to another small cake that reads, "Jane..." next to a big cake that reads, "Happy Birthday!"

How adorable!

by Anonymousreply 92June 10, 2014 11:43 PM

Must... have... cupcakes! Must... have... quesadillas!

by Anonymousreply 93June 15, 2014 6:28 AM

I really hope Kathy Griffin is in this! That would be quite meta.

by Anonymousreply 94June 15, 2014 6:34 AM

[quote]I also loved the guy who played her lawyer hubby and a year after The Comeback, he was on As The World Turns playing this gay reformer camp counselor to Van Hansis's Luke Snyder.

You soap opera people are pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 95June 15, 2014 7:54 AM

R95 I have put your name in our prayer vigil at church.

by Anonymousreply 96June 15, 2014 1:03 PM

So this is scheduled by HBO in the fall? Can't wait...

by Anonymousreply 97June 15, 2014 2:06 PM

R97

There is a small article about the return of The Comeback in this week's Entertainment Weekly.

According to the article it is scheduled to return in October.

by Anonymousreply 98June 15, 2014 2:11 PM

Hopefully now Kudrow will win the Emmy she deserved for the original season.

by Anonymousreply 99June 15, 2014 2:19 PM

I remember that R91.

R95--DIAGF.

by Anonymousreply 100June 15, 2014 2:21 PM

It's amazing how unfunny this show was and it still received a cult following. I don't get it. It was lame as fuck. It deserved to be cancelled, and it was. Congrats to the fans though for getting what they thought they'd never see again.

by Anonymousreply 101June 15, 2014 2:59 PM

I loved The Comeback and am very excited about it's return.

I recently re-watched the entire season and plan to do it again before the new season airs.

I hope Mickey is back...loved him and I loved Valerie's husband Mark. His daughter from a previous marriage was showing some serious signs of being a rebellious brat---I would love to see how that plays out.

And Paulie G? I can't wait to see that fat asshole.

by Anonymousreply 102June 15, 2014 4:02 PM

[quote]I don't get it.

Clearly. You should stick to sitcoms with laugh tracks, that seems more your speed.

by Anonymousreply 103June 15, 2014 5:15 PM

I have an idea for a cool meta way to promote The Comeback--have Lisa Kudrow as Valerie Cherish host Saturday Night Live. Then Lisa could get not one, but two Emmys next year for playing Valerie.

by Anonymousreply 104June 19, 2014 4:50 PM

Why don't you go catch a rerun of "Everybody Loves Raymond," you philistine.

by Anonymousreply 105June 19, 2014 4:59 PM

^^^^Directed at R101, obvi.

by Anonymousreply 106June 19, 2014 5:04 PM

[quote] I hope Mickey is back.

I am!

by Anonymousreply 107July 11, 2014 5:47 PM

I watched the first episode of Season One and thought it was shit.

What am I missing?

by Anonymousreply 108July 11, 2014 5:49 PM

R108, a sense of humor and intelligence?

by Anonymousreply 109July 11, 2014 6:36 PM

I watched it when it first aired. I remember being not too impressed after the first episode, but it slowly grew on me until it really kicked in for me toward the end. It took a while to really see Valerie Cherish as a sympathetic person rather than a shallow desperate actress. Upon re-watching the whole season, I appreciate the earlier episodes right off the bat because I knew Valerie's character better. It doesn't hurt that it seems to be very inside baseball as it pertains to the behind the scenes activity of a network sitcom. And the subtle humor is right up my alley, most significantly the quick embarrassed looks she gives to the camera whenever Mickey says anything too "gay"

by Anonymousreply 110July 11, 2014 8:51 PM

News has been spreading on the web in the past day that the plot involves Valerie being cast on an HBO series, and this time the mockumentary is the HBO cameras making a documentary about the new series being made.

by Anonymousreply 111July 11, 2014 8:58 PM

Is there a more hateful character than Pauly G?

by Anonymousreply 112July 15, 2014 1:17 PM

Will James Burrows be back as Jimmy?

by Anonymousreply 113July 22, 2014 8:22 PM

I have been watching this to see what the deal was and I also don't find it all that funny. Mainly because I don't think Valerie is really extreme enough to like or dislike. This makes people like Pauly G even more loathsome. But are we even seeing the real Valerie?

Plus, "Room and Bored" is such an awful sitcom.

by Anonymousreply 114July 22, 2014 8:28 PM

Room & Board is suppose to be an awful sitcom r114. That is what makes Valerie's desperate need to be a part of that shit fest even more tragic.

by Anonymousreply 115July 23, 2014 4:13 AM

[quote] But are we even seeing the real Valerie?

Probably only in glimpses, and in subtle ways. But she is obviously too self-aware because of the cameras. It's really a wonderfully played and conceived character.

by Anonymousreply 116July 25, 2014 8:41 PM

It took me a while to get into it. It's not a typical laugh-a-minute show. In fact, it's the characterisation and the depth of feeling it engenders for Valerie that are it strongest achievement. There are certainly funny parts to remember but the greatest impression it left on me was a sort of "moral" - something like "know what you're getting into" or "fight your battles wisely".

by Anonymousreply 117July 25, 2014 8:58 PM

(r114) Really? You are that much if an idiot that you don't get that it's a bad sitcom on purpose? LOL LOL LOL Really it's no wonder you didn't lke the show.

by Anonymousreply 118July 26, 2014 3:04 AM

Years after it aired I streamed it OnDemand.

Like other people, I didn't like the first episode at all and then something magical happened - you start to see Valerie as a very loving and compassionate character who wants to badly just to be loved and accepted.

The funny thing is that no matter how many negative things happen to her during the series Kudrow plays her in a way that while she's always optimistic and "On" she still obviously has a lot of hurt going on under the surface.

by Anonymousreply 119July 26, 2014 3:14 AM

Lance Barber, who plays Paulie G, guested on Hot in Cleveland last week. Also, as an aside, the other storyline with Victoria being upset her son ISN'T gay was pretty witty and clever.

by Anonymousreply 120July 28, 2014 5:33 PM

FYI - Dan Bucatinsky tweeted that there will be a preview for the new season of The Comeback tonight airing either before or after the finale of True Blood on HBO.

by Anonymousreply 121August 24, 2014 8:20 PM

If it's the 10- or 15-second preview that surfaced on YouTube today, it was even less informative than "On the next Mad Men..."

by Anonymousreply 122August 26, 2014 1:55 AM

Teaser trailer!

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by Anonymousreply 123August 27, 2014 8:29 PM

Seth Rogen has joined the cast:

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by Anonymousreply 124October 15, 2014 11:34 PM

New 90-second trailer. Looks promising. And Valerie looks even more desperate.

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by Anonymousreply 125October 20, 2014 7:46 PM

Looks great can't wait.

by Anonymousreply 126October 20, 2014 7:56 PM

I rewatched the Palm Springs episode tonight, and in retrospect that was the point when the show really took off. Lisa Kudrow's scene by the pool, when she was drunk and made the embarrassing phone call to Paulie G, went from cringe-fest to something dark, and you could feel the pain that motivated Valerie in every step of her life. Great writing and she played it perfectly.

Mary! me if you must, but that was some seriously good acting -- and it still managed to be very funny.

by Anonymousreply 127October 21, 2014 4:55 AM

Looks so funny. Can't wait!

by Anonymousreply 128October 21, 2014 5:07 AM

R127, the Palm Springs episode was the one that really won me over the first time I saw the series.

I liked it a lot up to that point, but Palm Springs was where I realized the show was brilliant.

The new preview clip looks promising. I've been worried they're going to fuck this up.

by Anonymousreply 129October 21, 2014 5:11 AM

The Palm Springs episode was a game-changer. I always say that The Comeback was a near perfect show, where the only flaw was that they didn't follow up on the aftermath of Valerie's call to Paulie G on the next episode. But that's really splitting hairs with a unique and wonderful show, and it suppose it worked better in the long run to let it fester so it exploded in the cupcake scene.

by Anonymousreply 130November 4, 2014 8:47 PM

Back tonight. Getting raves.

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by Anonymousreply 131November 9, 2014 11:06 PM

Hot bear Daniel Franzese has a small role in the Palm Springs episode. (He plays the young asshole Hollywood producer.)

Eager to see the episode tonight!

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by Anonymousreply 132November 9, 2014 11:29 PM

Hello Hello hello!

Must eat cupcakes!

by Anonymousreply 133November 9, 2014 11:31 PM

Apparently Paulie G wrote a tell all book called "Seeing Red" about his heroin addiction and his complicated relationship with Valerie Cherish.

She's "Red", get it?

Well, HBO is filming Seeing Red and Seth Rogan is playing Paulie G in the series. He's only in two or three episodes but I hear his appearance is fantastic.

by Anonymousreply 134November 9, 2014 11:42 PM

One of the reviews made me smile. Describing Valerie's excitement on being cast on an HBO show, she says, "HBO. You know, comedy without the laughs."

by Anonymousreply 135November 10, 2014 12:38 AM

I didn't love tonight's episode, but there were some nice touches like Valerie pretending to listen when her husband was talking to her, and the way that Jane started to subconsciously direct the film crew when Valerie was trying to convince her to come back.

I also really enjoy that this season, Paulie G. was where Valerie was, career-wise, the season before. He went from the hotshot writer to being stuck in a viewing suite at the Golden Globes. It also showed the character difference in how they both reacted to irrelevance: Valerie shouldered on while Paulie seems consumed with bitterness.

by Anonymousreply 136November 17, 2014 3:40 AM

I loved tonight's episode!

by Anonymousreply 137November 17, 2014 4:56 AM

[quote] He went from the hotshot writer to being stuck in a viewing suite at the Golden Globes.

What is a viewing suite?

by Anonymousreply 138November 17, 2014 5:01 AM

R138, it's a suite where guests not actually invited inside the ceremony watch the awards. Did you not watch?

by Anonymousreply 139November 17, 2014 5:17 AM

"Is it normal?"

by Anonymousreply 140November 17, 2014 5:24 AM

Tonight's episode can't be as good as it'll get. It's still the lull before the storm, the HBO show with Paulie. They'll begin filming it in the next episode.

by Anonymousreply 141November 17, 2014 5:25 AM

From the first two episodes of this season, the pattern seems to be 25 minutes of funny-sad Valerie followed by a 5-minute closer of something dark and serious.

Lance Barber's doing a great job of showing Paulie G trying to be a human being (and failing) -- as Valerie's husband noted, Paulie's still an asshole, and the fact that he's been brought down to her level (watching the awards in a hotel room) makes him more dangerous.

Season 1 had a lot of dark moments (especially toward the end) but this seems to be leading to something dark from the start. Not sure what it's going to be ... the end of Valerie's marriage or the death/incapacitation of Mickey have both been foreshadowed. (In the first episode, Mickey was waiting for a call from a doctor, and in this one, he was passing out and clearly unwell in the scene at the stylist's office.)

by Anonymousreply 142November 17, 2014 5:31 AM

Oh, poor Mickey, hope he pulls through.

by Anonymousreply 143November 17, 2014 5:35 AM

I don't know if they'll tackle Mickey's health as a storyline. I think him falling asleep in the dressing room had more to do with them making a joke of how long Valerie was taking because she was anxious about how her outfit would look on camera.

The few negative reviews of this season so far have asked what the joke of the show is, and I think, above all else, it's a comedy of manners and a comedy of anxiety. Most of the show's humor involves a person with anxiety unsure of how to act and react in different trying situations.

by Anonymousreply 144November 17, 2014 5:50 AM

This show really needs to start bringing the funny.

by Anonymousreply 145November 17, 2014 6:53 PM

It was so nice to see Jane again! But I agree that the show could be funnier.

They could also be a little choosier (and less BRAVO-ier) in their guest cameos. So far we've seen Andy Cohen and Brad Goreski. I think Valerie can do better.

by Anonymousreply 146November 17, 2014 7:07 PM

Not funny yet? I was laughing my ass off the entire time. I also thought this episode was great. The entire scene at Jane's house was perfect. I love how dismissive she was of her Oscar.

Valerie's "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?" reference just about made me die.

Love this season so far. And so scared for Val...

One thing I don't really care about at the moment is the subplot of Marky Mark's nephew being one of the crew members. Is that actually going anywhere interesting?

by Anonymousreply 147November 17, 2014 7:25 PM

One of the best elements of humor so far is the fact that Valerie is so self absorbed, she has a hard time remembering others' names.

Anyway, the thing that got me this episode is the part where Valerie poses with Jane's Oscar. I could totally picture an actress with a stalled career doing something like that (Sharon Stone comes to mind).

by Anonymousreply 148November 17, 2014 8:33 PM

You just know that Mickey is a Datalounger.

He's been a regular for 10 years, and especially loves the theatre and classic movie threads.

by Anonymousreply 149November 17, 2014 9:52 PM

Someone tell me where I can watch episode 2 online!

by Anonymousreply 150November 17, 2014 9:57 PM

[quote]They could also be a little choosier (and less BRAVO-ier) in their guest cameos. So far we've seen Andy Cohen and Brad Goreski. I think Valerie can do better.

Actually, those are perfect guest cameos for the character.

by Anonymousreply 151November 17, 2014 10:19 PM

I'm enjoying this season but it still needs to find its groove again. The whole scene at Jane's was GENIUS and I love how they are giving more depth to Jane and Pauly G's characters but the first season felt more natural and improvised, its a bit too obviously scripted and the camerawork is really awful this time (I get that that was the 'joke' but it was headache inducing and distracting for so long, hopefully will improve now that Jane's back). The cameos from losers like Andy Cohen and Rachel Zoe's gay assistant are also fucking awful and make Michael Patrick King seem as out of touch as Valerie. They need to stop with the distractions. Thats what was so amazing and hilarious about the scene with Valerie getting stoned and posing with Jane's Oscar, it gave Lisa room and space to just do her thing and didn't have to pull cheap stunts to get laughs.

The actor who plays Mark also looks seriously old and ill, what's up with him? Is he ok?

by Anonymousreply 152November 17, 2014 10:20 PM

Loving it so far, maybe the 2nd episode more. I love all the scenes at HBO and the GG. That's the first time I heard about viewing suites - right at the actual award venue. Who's goes there? D-list and beyond?

by Anonymousreply 153November 17, 2014 11:28 PM

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by Anonymousreply 154November 18, 2014 12:05 AM

"New Girls ... Now this one's special, Lila Durham ...Can't wait to see this. "

by Anonymousreply 155November 18, 2014 2:51 AM

I thought episode three was amazing, very daring and quite dark. They're really pushing the envelope when it comes to uncomfortable humor. Lisa Kudrow killed it.

by Anonymousreply 156November 24, 2014 5:17 AM

Yeah, this was definitely the best episode of the new season. I wonder where it's all going to go from here. I'm glad that Valerie has Seth Rogan as her champion.

by Anonymousreply 157November 24, 2014 5:36 AM

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by Anonymousreply 158November 24, 2014 6:10 AM

OK, I was uncertain about the Comeback's comeback, but episode three was wonderful.

Lisa Kudrow's approach to comedy is nothing short of courageous.

by Anonymousreply 159November 24, 2014 1:47 PM

"I don't work with glue."

by Anonymousreply 160November 24, 2014 2:49 PM

Mickey seems very agitated and irritable this season. Is there something going on, or is this just where they're going with the character.

Seth Rogen was amazing last night.

by Anonymousreply 161November 24, 2014 3:03 PM

I have a suspicion that Valerie and Paulie G are going to have sex. And that the season ends with Valerie winning an Emmy.

by Anonymousreply 162November 24, 2014 3:09 PM

It's interesting that everyone around Valerie is getting exasperated with her "get along to get along" mindset... her husband is ready to kick ass, Jane is appalled at the sexism on the set and even Mickey has had it because Valerie's trailer has a sewage problem and Valerie won't acknowledge it.

The scene with Valerie and the two nude women went on so uncomfortably long.

And I loved how Seth Rogen was trying to be just a regular guy, but everyone on set laughed at every word he said like a pack of sycophants.

by Anonymousreply 163November 24, 2014 3:34 PM

This season is really taking shape and I'm loving it. This episode in particular was just very well-written (and rather uncomfortable). I loved how Valerie kept having to sort of mitigate her way through the relationships with the actors playing the people who were part of her "Room and Bored" life. The Juna stand-in could not have been bothered with her. It's all so meta.

I'm very scared about what further indignities Paulie G will make Val suffer through. I think the blowjob is just the beginning. This time around though, it seems that Jane is much more protective of her and not the off-camera "I'm not supposed to interfere" producer she was in the first season.

Mickey is killing it.

by Anonymousreply 164November 24, 2014 3:37 PM

*could not be bother with her

by Anonymousreply 165November 24, 2014 3:38 PM

*could not be BOTHERED with her.

by Anonymousreply 166November 24, 2014 3:40 PM

The season keeps getting darker and darker - a really brilliant episode last night. Paulie G again became the creep we know and hate. I really want to see him confronted and brought to task by the lovely, humane Jane.

by Anonymousreply 167November 24, 2014 3:44 PM

The Valerie/Paulie relationship is interesting. In the first season, it was basically pure hostility on his part. This time, it appears he's trying to display a degree of humanity (he seemed genuinely touched by Val's gift), and yet the animosity isn't gone, and he's still trying to subject her to indignities. I'm curious to see where this goes.

The show is firing on all cylinders right now. I really hope it gets picked up for a third season.

by Anonymousreply 168November 24, 2014 6:56 PM

It's the only comedy that I ever watch twice.

by Anonymousreply 169November 24, 2014 7:00 PM

Haven't seen the third episode yet, but the only thing I haven't really liked were the easy jokes of Valerie misidentifying HBO shows and actors' names. Was a little to obvious for a show that is normally very subtle.

by Anonymousreply 170November 24, 2014 7:14 PM

I'm hopelessly addicted to this show but it is getting into some challenging and rather dark territory. It is very fascinating to watch but I don't know if I can call it a comedy anymore. The Valerie character is just so pathetic and desperate it's hard to watch.

by Anonymousreply 171November 24, 2014 7:29 PM

R170: I thought it was very believable that Valerie would only be familiar with HBO shows from ten years ago. Like her hair, she isn't aware of anything that's happened since she was a star.

I get the impression all she watches are "I'm It" DVDs.

by Anonymousreply 172November 24, 2014 7:35 PM

I'm thinking a relapse for Paulie G is in order. He's hanging on by his toenails. I thought Seth was being kind but then my boyfriend pointed out that he's kind of sabotaging Valerie too. I hope Mickey is okay and just getting an eye lift or something. Also, I think Paulie did an upper decker in her trailer.

by Anonymousreply 173November 24, 2014 7:41 PM

[quote] I think Paulie did an upper decker in her trailer.

That is a very good guess, but I think it's going to turn out to be Betty White.

by Anonymousreply 174November 24, 2014 8:03 PM

Interesting reivew at link.

I like this comment:

The show is brilliant and operates on so many levels. It is hilarious, sad, skeptical, complex, thought provoking, and unconfortable at times. It is incredibly subversive. Season 1 was more light hearted and whimsical.

Season 2 so far feels like Lisa Kudrow is getting revenge, like she's burning HBO to the ground on her way out of the business. It feels like a giant middle finger to the industry. Its almost a little dark. Altogether, it's not a show for everyone. It's not Silicon Valley cheap laughs. It's also genius.

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by Anonymousreply 175November 24, 2014 8:18 PM

Hate to say it, but I agree with other posters. The show is not doing it for me like it originally did. Just not as funny.

Jokes seem forced and Kudrow seems to have changed the way Valerie speaks.

by Anonymousreply 176November 24, 2014 8:21 PM

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by Anonymousreply 177November 24, 2014 8:22 PM

What "other posters" are you talking about, R176? The majority of responses here has been overwhelmingly positive. Most viewers think that the show is as brilliant as ever.

Also, there is no change in the way Valerie speaks.

by Anonymousreply 178November 24, 2014 8:25 PM

...and it's back, as bad as ever. Exercise in sadism on the audience...masochism for Kudrow.

by Anonymousreply 179November 24, 2014 8:25 PM

Will we find out whatever happened to Tom?

by Anonymousreply 180November 24, 2014 8:33 PM

Kudrow is brilliant. I am shocked at how biting this season has been. The poster who called it subversive is right. But it's not for everyone as the simpleton at R176 proves.

by Anonymousreply 181November 24, 2014 8:36 PM

It stretches credibility that the network could find no one else capable of leading a film crew than Jane?

by Anonymousreply 182November 24, 2014 8:37 PM

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by Anonymousreply 183November 24, 2014 8:40 PM

R182: Jane is not leading the film crew; she is filming for Valerie.

And HBO is not a network.

by Anonymousreply 184November 24, 2014 8:40 PM

[quote]It stretches credibility that the network could find no one else capable of leading a film crew than Jane?

She has an Oscar.

by Anonymousreply 185November 25, 2014 4:42 AM

I cyber stalked Lance Barber and turns out he's a theater kid from Battle Creek Michigan.

He's married to a chef named Aliza and has two kids.

Like the Salon article says, I keep forgetting that he's not really a showrunner....it all seems so real.

by Anonymousreply 186November 26, 2014 4:43 PM

Ginger snaps...looks like I got me a new nickname now, huh?

by Anonymousreply 187November 26, 2014 9:42 PM

This is our new crew jacket..it says "Seeing Red" and then has a needle, you know, because of the heroin. Cute!

by Anonymousreply 188November 26, 2014 9:46 PM

Perusing the comments, i think The comeback is kinda like Joni Mitchell music, either you 'get' it or you just dont ... even if you 'get' it you have to watch this show a few times to catch everything, its so brilliantly subtle, and layered, again, kinda like a joni song ...

by Anonymousreply 189November 26, 2014 10:05 PM

I always watch each episode twice. If possible, I like to watch it the second time on my computer, wearing my wireless headphones.

I end up hearing so much more, particularly background conversation on the set or in Valerie's trailer, or when she is in bed with Marky Mark, with only the "reality" camera on them.

by Anonymousreply 190November 26, 2014 10:45 PM

Ginger Snaps. I like it. Good job to Seth Rogen for coming up off as likeable.

by Anonymousreply 191November 27, 2014 1:10 AM

frankly anyone who 'gets' this show would be fun to know, i think its an intelligence barometer, snobby as that sounds, how do you NOT as a gay man 'get' this show? to me it totally taps into my gay humor DNA, not sure how to explain it... Mickey is not really more than a bonus, its ALL about Val's utter self absorbed but ultimately kind persona...

by Anonymousreply 192November 27, 2014 4:29 AM

I loved season 1, recommended it to many, lost friendships over my recommendation, and anxiously looked forward to season 2.

Sadly, I'm not enjoying it at all. I will watch them all a second time to give the season a fair shot, but as of now, I think the brilliance that was season 1 should have been left alone.

by Anonymousreply 193November 27, 2014 4:59 AM

193, u may need to realize its 10 years later, and all these characters cannot pick up right after season 1- i was concerned about that too, but in truth, this season is just as good, its just UPDATED and sure, the characters are harder, but lets face it, reality TV and our whole culture is harder, too ... what theyre doing is genius, its not an episode of friends or sex and the city... ive never seen anything like it...

by Anonymousreply 194November 27, 2014 5:35 AM

R188, that was my favorite line of the episode.

R193, I think the major change from the first season is that it essentially went from a dark comedy to a drama. They have pretty much dropped the angle of Valerie's discomfort around the cameras, which has fundamentally changed the show's DNA, and may be why you're having trouble enjoying it as much. But I think this is going to come up again soon as the situation with Paulie G becomes more tense and Jane is back to capture all the uncomfortable moments, and it's not Valerie self-editing her own pilot presentation anymore.

by Anonymousreply 195November 27, 2014 5:51 AM

this cant legitimately be season 2 as if one year has passed, its been 10 years and the show has to reflect that, the growth and change in everyone (or not) and how entertainment has changed drastically in that time, as Val notes in ep 1, taking credit for being a pioneer of reality shows which are now dime a dozen crap... anyway, you 'get' it or not, there's not much in between...but repeat viewings helpe a LOT

by Anonymousreply 196November 27, 2014 7:07 AM

Jane telling Valerie that the scene with the naked women and her standing between them is degrading only to have Valerie asking Jane why is she even speaking was crazy. Love this show.

by Anonymousreply 197November 27, 2014 9:18 AM

Kudrow is beyond brilliant. I have to watch every episode twice as well, (R190). My favorite moment of Season 1 was Kudrow realizing she was "in" again on the Leno show. Just brilliant acting, and it seems this season is much more focused on those types of moments. Here's to Season 3 -- 10 years from now!

by Anonymousreply 198November 27, 2014 10:34 AM

Agreed, R198. That Leno moment was the thing that turned the show from a fascinating curio into a flat-out masterpiece for me. One stroke and everything came into focus.

by Anonymousreply 199November 27, 2014 11:57 AM

This is an interesting interview with Kudrow and Michael Patrick King on a writers' panel from a few years ago (before the show was picked up for season two).

They talk a lot about the process of creating the show. I was most impressed to learn that pretty much everything was precisely scripted, considering how off-the-cuff it appears. King says only two moments were improvised. One, when Kudrow sings "I Will Survive", and is told to do it angrier, and she says "Angry hurts my throat." And the second is in the last episode of season one. When they learn that her show has been picked up, the actress who plays Jane hugs Valerie, and Kudrow turns to the camera and says, "Look at that, she cracked wide open." King actually chokes up a bit recalling that.

I think what's amazing about this show is that, for however silly and ridiculous it seems, there's an underlying pathos and sadness -- the sense of being an outsider longing for validation that gay people in particular can relate to.

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by Anonymousreply 200November 27, 2014 1:30 PM

well said R200, i think thats it ... re that writer's panel, LOVE the improv they did on an imaginary scene with Val giving juna 'tips' on comedy ... 'when you say loving, its not funny, but say lovin'... funny!'

by Anonymousreply 201November 27, 2014 5:48 PM

I have a hard time believing MPK is associated with this brilliant show and the dreck that's is "Two Broke Girls". How can this be explained?

by Anonymousreply 202November 27, 2014 7:35 PM

R202 The difference is Lisa Kudrow.

Brilliance, indeed.

by Anonymousreply 203November 27, 2014 7:49 PM

Last week's episode was amazing and tonight's episode was very weak.

I'm very disappointed. I thought it was building up to something.

by Anonymousreply 204December 1, 2014 4:30 AM

Yeah, tonight's episode felt like a bridge between more significant episodes. It was weak.

I didn't buy for a minute that Mark would turn down a chance to stay at the Peninsula for a night in order to drive to Hollywood at 3 a.m. and sleep in a vacant, dirty apartment in a building they own. They're wealthy; why wouldn't he just go to a hotel? What was that about?

The only thing I liked was the improv class at the Groundlings, which managed to capture how painful bad improv can be.

by Anonymousreply 205December 1, 2014 4:51 AM

Great review of tonight's episode:

How much is Valerie Cherish willing to sacrifice for her comeback? Last week, she sacrificed her dignity. This week, it’s her home, and maybe her marriage, too. Like any other addiction, Valerie’s desperate craving for fame is taking a toll on her personal life, and the more she flirts with the idea of a legitimate return to cultural prominence, the greater the damage she causes. And make no mistake: Valerie is responsible for everything that happens to her.

Yes, Valerie a victim of an industry that isn’t kind to middle-aged women, but she doesn’t have to be a part of that industry, especially when she has a wealthy husband that can support the both of them. She doesn’t need to take a part in a show that paints her in a negative light, although you can see her logic regarding the Seeing Red decision: if there’s going to be a fictionalized version of her on TV, she might as well play the part and have some kind of control over the portrayal. But Valerie isn’t the writer or the director or the set designer. She has no input regarding what Mallory says, what Mallory does, or what kind of ridiculous mirror is hung in Mallory’s bedroom.

There’s logic behind Valerie’s decision to offer her and Mark’s home as a Seeing Red set in “Valerie Saves The Show,” but again, it’s not something she needs to do. She fears that losing the scenes at Mallory’s home will prevent the character from being likeable, but she doesn’t understand that Mallory isn’t supposed to be likeable. These are the types of scenes being filmed at Mallory’s home: Mallory drinking alone; Mallory crying in the tub; Mallory getting scratched by a stray cat. She doesn’t sound like a character to be liked, but a character to bit pitied.

But pity is still better than hatred, and taking away Mallory’s home scenes limits that character in a way that prevents her from being anything more than a one-dimensional villain. And that’s unacceptable to Valerie, who can’t make a distinction between herself and the characters she plays. To make sure Mallory gets her due in the story, Valerie offers up her home for one to two days per episode (for six episodes), driving a major wedge in her marriage when she learns just how intrusive the filming process will be.

Based on Mark’s disgust with the entire Seeing Red project, I find it hard to believe that he would go along with Valerie’s plan. He might be briefly blinded by the prospect of bona fide Hollywood star Seth Rogen filming at his home, but he knows that the show’s filming schedule is extremely erratic. Filming at their house is a huge hassle that Mark accepts a bit too willingly, but it does give the writers the opportunity to show how Seeing Red is taking over Valerie’s life. And it sets up the extremely dark final scene when Valerie and Mark are forced to spend the night at the apartment complex they own as “Strongwood Properties.”

Adding to Mark’s frustration is Valerie’s selfish attitude. She sees his distress when the crew starts modifying their house for filming, but doesn’t do anything to assuage his worries because she has to rush off to her Groundlings class. Everything is about Valerie, and Mark has no say. She takes on a show that will cause their marriage a lot of unneeded stress by ripping open old wounds. She decides to film it all because she’s a narcissist, not caring how constant surveillance psychologically affects others. She offers up her home for filming because it means she’ll have more to do as Mallory, even though it poses a huge problem for her husband. She does this all, and then she leaves him to deal with it so she can go be horrible at improv.

7 Awesome Cars Under $25,000 InsiderCarNews.com What Men Should Know About Testicular Cancer and Fertility Dana-Farber Cancer Institute by TaboolaSponsored Links When it comes to uncomfortable viewing experiences, the scenes at Groundlings don’t have the sexual undertones that made last week’s blowjob so distressing, but are still plenty painful to watch. That’s because they combine the awkwardness of Valerie Cherish with the awkwardness of bad improv, which is never fun to experience in any capacity. Thankfully, this is the kind of tension that lends itself more easily to laughs than watching a woman forced into a sexual situation that she’s not comfortable with, putting Valerie in a liberated position and showing how she still manages to fuck that up by over-thinking everything. Kudrow is phenomenal in the Groundlings scenes, probably because she saw plenty of bad improv during her time as an actual Groundlings member, and Valerie manages to look both extremely uncomfortable and overly confident on stage.

The beginning of the Groundlings scene provides an outstanding “Hall Of Mirrors” moment. The cameraman is filming Jane, who is recording the first Groundlings class taken by a character played by Lisa Kudrow, a real-life Groundlings alumnus, and Valerie is in this class to improve her performance on a dark HBO comedy, the show-within-a-show of Kudrow’s own dark HBO comedy. The most telling thing about the shot is that the camera isn’t on Valerie. You get the impression that the cameraman has been feeling the discomfort that we feel over the course of Valerie’s improv class, and has turned his camera away from Valerie because he can’t keep watching. He decides to chronicle the event through Jane’s tablet, which blurs it and diminishes its impact, but Jane eventually directs his attention where it’s supposed to be.

Beyond showing just how horrible Valerie is at using her imagination and being in the moment on stage, the Groundlings scene is a fascinating look at how this show approaches comedy. After Mickey tells Valerie that the doctors may have found a skin cancer on his body, Valerie can’t stop incorporating cancer into her improv scenes, which gives her teacher the opportunity to remind the students, “Nothing’s off limits, but things like cancer, they’re just really hard and tricky to make funny.” The cancer reveal hits hard after this season’s strong work establishing how much Valerie needs Mickey, but the script finds a way to make cancer funny by showing how Valerie becomes fixated on it at a completely inappropriate time.

You know what else isn’t very funny? Suicide. After being forced out of their home by the Seeing Red filming, Valerie and Mark seek refuge at their apartment complex, and while they argue in their room, another tenant in the complex shoots himself in the head. The sequence fluctuates between drama and comedy as it builds to the suicide reveal: It begins with Mark berating Valerie for their situation and telling her that he’s going to move out until she’s done dealing with “the drug addict,” a serious conversation that ends with a literal bang. But in order to get access to the room where Jane heard the shot, Valerie and Mark have to prove to the complex manager that they are indeed the owners of the property, a humorous conversation that reveals how little involvement the couple has in their real estate. Eventually the woman does open the door to reveal a bloodstain on the wall, to which Mark reacts, “You happy now, Valerie?”

In the case of this suicide, Valerie has no direct responsibility, but Mark places the blame on her. He wouldn’t have to experience the trauma of seeing a dead body if it weren’t for Valerie, and that’s the last straw for him. The conclusion of this episode doesn’t bode well for the future of Valerie and Mark, but it bodes even worse for Paulie G. based on what the cops say regarding the circumstances of the man’s suicide. A drug addict that had sobered up and found a new job, the man fell off the wagon just as his life was looking up, which feels like some fairly on-the-nose foreshadowing regarding the direction of Paulie G.’s story.

But Paulie G. isn’t the only addict on The Comeback. The officers talk about how this situation is what usually happens with recovered addicts: they turn their lives around, then wreck it all and take down everyone with them when the addiction returns. Valerie hasn’t been in the public eyes for the last nine years, and at the end of that period, she was still living a comfortable life. Her marriage may have gone through some trouble, but it didn’t fall apart. Now she’s reaching for fame again, and everything is crashing down. So again I ask: How much is Valerie Cherish willing to sacrifice for her comeback? As this season gets darker and darker, I can’t help but wonder if the answer is “everything.”

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by Anonymousreply 206December 1, 2014 5:28 AM

I could imagine Valerie would have trouble with improv, but I thought it was going a little far that she didn't seem to be able to mime the simplest action onstage.

by Anonymousreply 207December 1, 2014 5:35 AM

What actions weren't she able to mime? She seemed able to, but was more focused on looking good for the camera than doing the actual miming.

by Anonymousreply 208December 1, 2014 5:50 AM

BRILLIANT episode. This season, like the first, will only improve with age. Wow!

by Anonymousreply 209December 1, 2014 7:03 AM

I'm really relieved that Valerie is genuinely worried for Mickey. I think if she dismissed and ignored his scare like with other things of his in the past, it would've been a step too far. She's monstrously selfish, yes, but it's nice to know that she's capable of caring about someone else other than herself. And the way she completely shut down Jane when she started prying into it was great.

by Anonymousreply 210December 1, 2014 11:05 AM

The only thing I didn't like about last night's episode was the FOB-y Asian building manager. It was a bit too over-the-top and out of place for a show that's usually really subtle with its comedy.

by Anonymousreply 211December 1, 2014 11:13 AM

I love the new running joke this season that, while Valerie is always tries to be in control of how she's coming across on camera so she appears "likable", whenever she attempts to do improv, she brings up subjects that are incredibly alienating like rape and cancer.

It's one of those really special, subtle things that you don't see on other shows, and will be really missing in TV when the show ends (presumably for good) at the end of this season.

by Anonymousreply 212December 1, 2014 11:49 AM

Isn't this only a 6 episode season? Loving it, but wondering how much they can do with only 2 episodes left.

by Anonymousreply 213December 1, 2014 1:33 PM

I believe it's an 8-episode season.

by Anonymousreply 214December 1, 2014 1:40 PM

Is there anywhere to watch it besides HBO? The first season was on YouTube, but it's been taken down.

by Anonymousreply 215December 1, 2014 2:08 PM

I loved the last episode, but thought last night's was AWFUL.

It was just so pointless.

And the whole Groundlings thing was a waste of time, except for Kudrow to self-congratulate herself that she wasn't Valerie Cherish.

by Anonymousreply 216December 1, 2014 5:14 PM

I also thought last night's episode was weak. They seem to be rushing the plot line along because of the limited number of episodes. I didn't buy that Mark got so fed up so quickly. Yes, he had a right to be pissed, but he already seems to be at the breaking point -- I know they have to get there, but I wish they could have taken more time with it. And how could he, even in shock about the suicide, blame Valerie for it? It was upsetting that they happened to be there when it happened, but it would have happened anyway.

I'm also distracted by how ill the actor who plays Mark looks.

by Anonymousreply 217December 1, 2014 5:35 PM

R211 - I live in an Asian neighborhood and I didn't think it was over the top. It didn't surprise me at all.

by Anonymousreply 218December 1, 2014 5:38 PM

[quote]I'm also distracted by how ill the actor who plays Mark looks.

Yes, it's like when Rock Hudson appeared on Dynasty.

by Anonymousreply 219December 1, 2014 5:45 PM

Loved this episode. Hands down my favorite line was when the line producer quipped that it wasn't THE ROCKFORD FILES and Mickey replied, "No. It isn't."

by Anonymousreply 220December 1, 2014 6:00 PM

Mark is obviously a smoker or a runner. They age the same. He needs to gain about 25 pounds.

I hope Mickey is just having a bit of skin cancer snipped off but it sounded more serious. Even Valerie was rattled.

by Anonymousreply 221December 1, 2014 10:36 PM

I love that know we're learning Valerie is a secret pothead.

by Anonymousreply 222December 1, 2014 11:24 PM

Hopefully it's just a cancer scare to see Valerie freak out over.

Shows with Mickey in the grave?

I DON'T NEED TO SEE THAT!

by Anonymousreply 223December 1, 2014 11:39 PM

As dark as this season is getting, I honestly don't think they'll kill off Mickey. He is often the only warmth we see on the show. I do think they'll put him in jeopardy to raise the stakes though. I think something will happen in regards to his health, some kind of emergency, in a pivotal moment, and Valerie will be forced to make some kind of difficult choice that tests her.

by Anonymousreply 224December 1, 2014 11:52 PM

Damian Young (Mark) has always been sort of skinny-craggy, but he really doesn't look healthy now.

Old Damian:

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by Anonymousreply 225December 2, 2014 2:24 AM

... and Damian at the premiere of "The Comeback" last month.

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by Anonymousreply 226December 2, 2014 2:25 AM

I bet he is a runner. A colleague I see about twice a year runs mega marathons or something. Over 39 miles at a time and he looks 5 years older every time I see him.

by Anonymousreply 227December 2, 2014 1:39 PM

His goofy smile and weird glasses suggest drug use.

by Anonymousreply 228December 2, 2014 2:28 PM

the green screen episode totally killed me... this gets better and darker and is still LOL worthy, u just never KNOW whats coming...

by Anonymousreply 229December 10, 2014 5:19 AM

I loved the new episode. My guess is that Seeing Red will be a bust, though Valerie will get great reviews. It's the documentary that HBO seems to now have an interest in that will finally get people loving Valerie and get her the spotlight she's wanted for so long.

My favorite line from this last episode:

“There’s Paulie G. He’s not dead. That’s good.”

by Anonymousreply 230December 10, 2014 7:04 AM

It's freaky to watch Valerie's eyes when she's in distress. Kudrow is amazing at conveying the crazy affect, slow blinks, and other eye issues. I'd believe she's actually neurotic.

by Anonymousreply 231December 10, 2014 4:40 PM

[quote] My guess is that Seeing Red will be a bust, though Valerie will get great reviews

I've been worried Paulie will give her the worst possible edit, even if it hurts the show. The guy hates her with psychotic intensity, she's not going to get acclaim if there's anything he can do to stop it. But they did replace him as director, so hopefully he doesn't have enough pull anymore to trash Valerie in the editing room. I've also been worried Valerie herself with stop them from airing those gut-wrenching scenes since she thinks being perfectly lit is more important. Crazy to worry about a show within show that I'll never see, and fictional characters. But great shows make you care like that.

by Anonymousreply 232December 10, 2014 4:49 PM

I was just blown away by the quality of Lisa-as-Valerie's acting in the "Seeing Red" clip. I'd never seen Kudrow do dramatic work, and she was really excellent.

by Anonymousreply 233December 10, 2014 5:02 PM

Loving this season! That last episode where Valerie really acts was brilliant. I got chills watching that scene. Kudrow deserves an Emmy.

by Anonymousreply 234December 10, 2014 5:07 PM

I bow down to the genius of Lisa Kudrow.

Hopefully she will break JLD's streak at the Emmys.

by Anonymousreply 235December 10, 2014 5:09 PM

Kudrow's acting in that scene was terrific, but the thing I loved the most about it was how grossly self-indulgent the dialogue was.

Everything about this show seems so specific and real. And of course Paulie G's prestige show would consist entirely of him sucking his own dick for thirty minutes straight.

by Anonymousreply 236December 10, 2014 5:12 PM

Did the show premiere too late to be consisted for the SAG Awards? They were just released and Kudrow's name wasn't listed.

I would think that actors, of all people, would recognize the incredible work she's doing on that show.

But, if not, I guess another nomination had to be given to Julie Bowen playing a shrill, uptight mom.

by Anonymousreply 237December 10, 2014 5:14 PM

My favorite scene from the last episode was when Mickey was discussing the HBO publicist and how much he loved that the publicist was letting his beautiful 'natural gray hair' come out. The long meaningful look he gave Valerie (totally not registering of course) was hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 238December 10, 2014 5:23 PM

r237, but to be fair, Lisa used to be in a crappy overrated sitcom too. Did she win any Emmys for it? I'd be glad for her, but she show still sucked.

by Anonymousreply 239December 10, 2014 5:51 PM

[quote] My favorite scene from the last episode was when Mickey was discussing the HBO publicist and how much he loved that the publicist was letting his beautiful 'natural gray hair' come out. The long meaningful look he gave Valerie (totally not registering of course) was hilarious.

I thought the joke was that Mickey's hair is so obviously dyed.

by Anonymousreply 240December 10, 2014 6:02 PM

Isn't Mickey's hair grey with some black strands? Who would dye their hair to look like that?

by Anonymousreply 241December 10, 2014 6:29 PM

I think the whole season has to have aired for SAG consideration. In any event, there were no screeners sent out.

by Anonymousreply 242December 10, 2014 6:46 PM

This show is truly brilliant and they seem to have made a nearly perfect second season that honors the first season, while exploring new territory for the same characters in a believable way (especially after a decade long hiatus).

Lisa Kudrow is usually the best part of every project she's involved in and this show exemplifies why. She just nails the gamut of human emotions in a single character in such an effortless and realistic way...and she's fucking hilarious!

It's a shame that the ratings are so dismal. I'm hoping that like the first season the series will continue to have legs long after it goes off the air. It's one of those shows that benefits from some patience and repeat viewings.

Favorite line of this past episode: "I don't know what they're gonna have me do for an encore, EAT SANTA CLAUS!"

by Anonymousreply 243December 10, 2014 6:46 PM

She's stealing my career.

by Anonymousreply 244December 10, 2014 6:49 PM

I didn't have HBO for a long, long time. The only reason I got it back was for The Comeback. They don't count me in their ratings, though.

by Anonymousreply 245December 10, 2014 6:49 PM

This week's episode was excellent. I have a sinking feeling that Kudrow will be overlooked for the big awards. I hope I'm wrong.

by Anonymousreply 246December 10, 2014 9:48 PM

R243, my hope is that they'll renew it despite the terrible ratings just for its critical attention, but I know it's a long shot. It literally is the lowest rated scripted show on cable, which is a shame because it's one of the best.

by Anonymousreply 247December 11, 2014 1:23 AM

And critical praise couldn't save Laura Dern's "Enlightened." It did get two seasons in a row though, probably mostly because of the critical praise. The most we could hope for is one more small season, but with a few awards, maybe it'll happen.

by Anonymousreply 248December 11, 2014 1:27 AM

If they're lucky enought to get a third season, where do you think they could go with it?

by Anonymousreply 249December 11, 2014 2:53 AM

They'll finally lose me as a subscriber if they cancel.

by Anonymousreply 250December 11, 2014 3:09 AM

r250 is a scream. No one else is watching, so they'll keep their billion subscribers.

by Anonymousreply 251December 11, 2014 3:14 AM

If LOOKING didn't provie a programming partner for GIRLS, I don't think it would have been renewed. Unfortunately, THE COMEBACK doesn't have that association.

by Anonymousreply 252December 11, 2014 3:15 AM

That HBO guy said The Comeback can keep coming back as long as Kudrow and MPK want to keep making it. I think for this show they look beyond ratings. Obviously they have to, or it wouldn't have been brought back for a second season.

If Kudrow got an Emmy nomination for the first season, I don't see how she won't get one for the 2nd.

by Anonymousreply 253December 11, 2014 3:36 PM

True, R253. But I don't think that offer is still on the table given just how low the ratings are.

by Anonymousreply 254December 11, 2014 5:08 PM

That's ok, I'll bet season 2 has a satisfying conclusion, even if there is 3rd season.

by Anonymousreply 255December 11, 2014 5:30 PM

I have a feeling she and Marky Mark are going to split up tonight. The Xfinity guide has this for a description:

"An all-day shoot in the desert could sabotage Valerie's plans for a date night with Mark"

by Anonymousreply 256December 15, 2014 12:11 AM

They said during the People Magazine awards on Friday that it got a third season. Let's hope HBO confirms it in the next couple of days.

by Anonymousreply 257December 20, 2014 7:10 AM

Episode 5 is AMAZING. Tom is a much needed character...Pauly and Valerie are way too yin and yang...Tom created that buffer between evil and naive.

by Anonymousreply 258December 20, 2014 5:54 PM

Preview of tomorrow night's episode. Something happens to Mickey.

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by Anonymousreply 259December 21, 2014 1:29 AM

This show is so perfect.

by Anonymousreply 260December 23, 2014 3:35 AM

How many more episodes are left so this disaster can finally be put to rest?

by Anonymousreply 261December 23, 2014 7:36 PM

Last episode of the night.

by Anonymousreply 262December 29, 2014 2:43 AM

I just watched the entire season on a binge. I did not watch the first season. My god. It's utter perfection. I thought I was going to watch one episode and I couldn't stop.

Lisa Kudrow was the only good thing about Friends, she was amazing in the Opposite of Sex, and she's marvelous in this.

by Anonymousreply 263December 31, 2014 2:53 AM

Bump for Valerie Cherish. I just watched both seasons again on DVD. I absolutely loved this series!

by Anonymousreply 264January 3, 2016 8:25 PM

HBO picked it up for a 3rd season but Kudrow and co. aren't in a hurry to start on it. They said 2017 at the earliest.

by Anonymousreply 265January 3, 2016 9:02 PM

I dont see where else the series can go? Just leave well enough alone.

by Anonymousreply 266January 3, 2016 9:22 PM

It came back for a second season.

It shouldn't have.

by Anonymousreply 267January 3, 2016 9:57 PM

I'll watch a third season

by Anonymousreply 268January 5, 2016 4:02 PM

There can never be enough Valerie Cherish.

by Anonymousreply 269January 5, 2016 4:40 PM

Just watched both seasons and found this thread. Amazing show and Kudrow is an extraordinary talent that I didn't quite know existed on that level before (Friends, etc). Agree with the poster earlier in thread that it's almost a barometer for intelligence and a specific sense of humor which I love and gravitate towards, and think most intelligent gays do as well. Something very relateable. Can't wait for the third season, whenever that comes. And yes, as much as I LOVE veep and JLD, Lisa should have won the Emmy.

by Anonymousreply 270June 5, 2016 5:23 PM

Just watching this, the husband mark is a hot daddy, that scene of his ass in episode 8 , fuck soo edible!

by Anonymousreply 271January 28, 2019 1:29 AM
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